Fly Line Of Sight LOS With Drones Quadcopters Like A Pro!
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2022
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Hey Andy, Is there a code for Skillshare to be $10 per month? I went to sign up, and it's $14. Not a huge difference, but a decent one.
@@mikebergman1817 there's different tiers so premium for example unlocks everything for $19 or something close to that so best to click the link and try the 30 day free trial as it gives you the top one for free and see if you find it useful. Cheers
I flew 6 channel Helli's for many years before I got into quadcopters.. and I flew LOS for the first year of having a quadcopter.. FPV was way out of my price range then.. I did find that putting bright colored props on the front of my quad really helped me keep track of its orientation when it was a bit farther away.
Hello Andy, I bought the Tyro79 shown on your channel. Im an old fixed wing pilot. Every part, without esc and flight controller, I had to change because they quit working.
Just within two months.
I tried LOS first, because I was a little bit afraid of fpv. But a 3inch is too small for longer distance.
So I did fpv with my planes first. Then I was comfortable with that and I changed to the kwad.
Sometimes I get seasick from drone flying, but it's so much fun to me.
Now I build a 5 inch on my own.
awesome story. yes los can get away from you quick. this is where the sim practice comes in. Cheers
@@AndyRCchannel for LOS I've got headless and angle mode on one position, horizon on middle and acro all the way down.
If I loose orientation, then I will go up and back with headless mode.
Thanks for this Andy!
I have always marvelled at your Los abilities since discovering your channel!
It's definitely a valuable skill worth developing,
Even if one only predominantly fly's fpv.
Cheers Andy,
your appreciated.
Thank you so much @AndyRC for the tips when your quad is facing you. I never thought about thinking I'm behind the quad when it's facing me. I'll have to try that and hopefully get used to it.
Great job, Andy!
That's a great concept Andy thank you. I'll try that imagining I'm in the back of the quad when flying acro los.
I remember after a few times trying LOS I got too confident and flew way too far away. I literally lost the quad and was only able to fly it back by being insanely lucky. I couldn't see the quad, just hear it getting louder/quieter. That was intense...
this is why i stress sims as you can train yourself to stay in close and if it fly's off it doesn't matter
I done the exact same thing with a toothpick. Never flew before, done a full punch out after about two minutes, flew it around and ended up a good 400 meters or so away full throttle literally seen a black dot and a green dot off a strip of led and guessed and somehow heard the buzz as you said getting closer 😂
Same thing...but on maiden flight and it was gone for good. 🤦🏽
Thanks for this video.
Thanks andy
This is awesome, Andy! Thanks for making this video. I especially like the tip about not having the quad face you directly to help visualize standing behind it!
Glad it was helpful
Excellent controlling, Andy
Good stuff, LOS is fun, how i started
Keep up the good work # freestyle drones✌
been flying my quads for around 7 years and never found the need to fly los , but i do appreciate people will get smoothing out of it . i enjoy flying my jets and warbirds los but thats because they look good
i love los i flew los with an fpv drone with no camera gear on for about a year when i firsr got into the hobby mostly because i had no money for googles this was back in 2017 but i still fly los sometimes a tip is keep your fpv googles on your head and if you lose oreantion pull the goggles down fly back these day i fly dji for freestyle and sharkbyte/hdzero for raceing but los is how i got into it i can fly los acro great video andy
oooh, a Skillshare sponsorship, you've hit the big time now :) Thanks for the Sim shoutout, it was most useful you flying LOS in it that time as we found that odd error about where the pivot point was and allowed me to fix it. I don't know if you'd agree with this, and I really don't do acro LOS, but I always find that when starting to fly LOS that keeping yourself flying forward when starting to nose in flying (or circuits) is a lot easier than attempting to hover. I always find it much easier to imagine myself from the quads point of view that way (similar to how you imagine standing behind it all the time)
the problem with always moving forward is that it can get away from you quickly in real life but if it works for you in the sim and can translate to real life then go for it. Cheers Wayne
Thanks for this Andy👍! I have flown line of sight for many years. From sailplanes to now collective pitch helicopters. I totally agree that LOS flying is a must have skill. I built my first mini quad in 2012 to help me learn coordinated turns when I was struggling to fly helis. It made all of the difference in the world! I even set it up later with reversing motors to practice inverted flight, much less stress than practicing with a 550 size heli ;) . I mostly fly my quads fpv now but test fly LOS first. Now I'm practicing fpv inverted flight 😎
iv had that on my list for years and still only ever tried it in a sim. its on the list
@@AndyRCchannel the main challenge for me was the up tilt of my camera. I've had to go to about 10 to 15 degrees when practicing sustained inverted maneuvers. Give it a go, it'll a blast 👍
Thx mate👍👍
Mikey
I love LOS flights!
Fantastic tutorial, Andy! Thanks a lot! 😃
As soon as I get a new PC I'm going to try it out on the simulator!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
ohhh new pc nice :)
@@AndyRCchannel Yeah, but it won't be soon. Have you seen the prices? 😬
@@MCsCreations yes its ridiculous :( that why i mentioned currkittens sim as it will run on anything
That was very helpful. I have been going from Angle to Acro, will try Horizon, the power loop is my goal.
You can do it!
I subbed as soon as you said you fly in mode 1. I thought I was a amongst a small group surprised.
mode 1 for life ;)
Hi! I found LOS to be a must the first time I lost video signal. To improve acro tricks I decided to dedicate the temporary switch to toggle between acro and level. When things are about to get complicated I flip the sw to recover in level mode, understand the situation and release to get back to acro. I had the idea after watching a video about DJIs freeze button 😅
thx for the info cheers
Fking genius Andy. Hope the recovery from the sickness is coming along quickly.
Still struggle some days but a gradual improvement. Thx
2 point roll and knife edge cheers for the ideas! and lesson!
head tracking glimpse looks fab. - head tracking on a quad ? - Good Health Cheers
yep thats coming. :)
Thanks Andy ..it'll save me quite a bit of detergent(from no skid marks)😉👍🍻
haha
From someone who made the mistake of doing my 1st slight (and sending it!) via line of sight. ESP. Coming from traditional camera drones. Don’t make that rookie mistake. Use the goggles when starting out. Then move to line of sight flying with FPV. Without the goggles I lost orientation 2 sec. after take-off. Nice job on the sponsorship Andy! 👍
yeah you need a toy drone that you are unable to send haha id still stress not starting with fpv myself but I dont judge anyones approach. What ever works for the individual. I think LOS is a part of the hobby and is being overlooked
@@AndyRCchannel yep…I still practice line of sight (now). But totally confused me coming from a traditional camera drone. Hey…whatever works! 👍
@@RGMGFitness for sure!
I am a newb at flying rc’s. But after 8 drones and 2 planes in the last 2 years I have to say planes are a lot easier los. I really never fly my drones los. Last time I did was a cheap 35$ banggood special. I almost lost it it’s maiden. Lol. I think I’ll try and rip my nazgul5 lol this year tho. Great vid!!
A good useful video, that I did not realized existed. Thanks Andy, for posting a refreshed edition.
Been wondering how to fly LOS beyond basic hovering and flat turns, or horizontal moves. Do you have any suggestions to what maneuvers to practice first and if there is an order of natural progression in skill level?
If you have mastered the hovers in acro and can do face in. I'd suggest slow rolls
I suck at LOS. Nice tips, though. And congratulations on the newly acquired skills.
flew gas powered rc heli's in the 90's , used trueflight sim back then , mechanical gyros were pretty crude. then solidstate.. 3D was real challenge , setting up dual rates etc for inverted flight
Yes it's come a long way
Finally ! Acro LOS flying only. Its such a adrenaline rush flying los thats the only way i fly now
As an absolute rookie who has just managed to get their first quad bound and flying, this couldn't have come along at a better time!
have fun :)
Happy flying,
And welcome to the hobby bro! 😁
Thanks guys. I'm having a great time being terrible 😂
I'm half competent at forward flight, light freestyle, and hovering back-in.
I haven't yet gotten muscle memory for back-out hovering or more aggressive freestyle.
Also, my VTX is broken and I have no antenna, so it's REALLY easy to lose orientation when I get a little further out!
Particularly with acro, where you need to know orientation just to not immediately crash into something...
Looks good.Line of sight no problem for me seeing i fly helicopters.
Looks good bro, greetings team #bckflp
Forward and backwards and side to side where my bread and butter for quite some time 😅😊
@14:18 That's a great point.
yeah the current bmfa certs for multirotors are currently LOS however i think they are looking to change that
Hi Andy
Just a note for anyone like me that don't have a pc for a simulator and uses their phone I use FPV Freerider. I can use my frsky xlite or the pads on the screen of the phone. Was good enough to learn the basics.
Where I come into trouble is I only have speedybee and therefore all my models and the xlite are stuck on the firmware they are sold with. I have no way to flash a fc or install the latest bf etc.
Anyways I hope this helps anyone in a similar situation.
Do you know there is a betaflight android app?
You can get the app on GitHub,
I'm not 💯 sure if you can flash bf firmware via the app but it might be worth having a little look into buddy.
@@merakifpv2500 yeah mate it's speedybee. That's what I've been using for the last 3yrs. Just not able to flash through it
@@lewydfly45077 there's an actual Betaflight "configurator" for Android too now, as (well as speedybee app) that works via USB otg cable from phone.
I've been flying LOS since way back with planes and helis and can do LOS somewhat with quads but the orientation is what always gets me because they look they same no matter which way they're facing, unless you have some LEDs or something.
A little trick from a fellow l.O.S. flyer of helis, quads, planes. You know the old wave the wings trick with a plane. It works really well with quads. Wag the dog. Peace out.
@@toddspeck9415 Good idea!
@@flipfpv Right on man. Dig your fpv name.
Hi, thank for video 👍🏻
Which dron did you recommand to practice LOS flight ?
Regards
Darwinfpv baby ape
Finally someone else who actually likes vlos is cool with FPV drones. I'm at the about to get a simulator stage. I have a good powerful laptop but want to connect it hdmi to my smart TV. Would that dongle still work ? I have same radio as you. Cheers Andy
the dongle would work on a laoptop yes :) i do the same. plug the laptop into the tv and fly big haha
@@AndyRCchannel brilliant. Do you prefer the free one that you mentioned on the video or velocidrone? I have the latter but happy to try others. Whichever is best and easiest to learn with really
LOS is stupid hard! For me i just cant keep the orientation of a quad (front vs back vs sides) even using your body orientation trick. Planes are a bit easier for me to fly LOS with, but still difficult.
Thanks for your great videos and tutorials!
its just practice really is all I can say. It was super hard for me as well then one day it just becomes second nature
try to put a light were the camera would be it worked great for me bro hope it helps
Especially on toothpick or micros outside in acro. Lose orientation at few feet because you can't see which side is front...lol. I can in angle mode only on those tiny things.
Hi, great video as usual. It was cool to see the old warhorse X220 out there (I've still got mine, but 5 inch quads are harder fly in the parks now!)
It's great to see you've got some independent sponsorship too. Would it be possible to not put unskippable in-video ads in the middle of you videos, but rather at the end like a lot of folks do? I pay to not see ads on UA-cam and I find mid-video ads really break my interest in a video.
hmm I have midrolls turned off let me see or do you men something else? do you mean put the sponsor at the end? sadly cant do at as no one watches to the end. sorry if you lost interest. If i could get more patrons i wouldn't need to try this. Cheers
mid rolls are definitely off
@@AndyRCchannel I'm talking about the skillshare ad segment in the middle of the video that's embedded into the video. Ryan George does his embedded ads at the end of his videos as his "Adstronaut" segment, that way it doesn't interfere with the actual creative content.
Just a suggestion, it's a pity you say nobody watches until the end. I certainly do. All the best with things, I'm honestly not trying to work you up here.
@@LookingForEntertainment112 thanks for watching to the end. its only one a month at the moment anyways and if im no good to them it will stop but ill chat to see if they are fine with them at the end. Great Feedback
when doing a nice turn do you use just roll or yaw and roll together?
yes same as fpv :)
I definitely need to do this! Is it easy to find los mode in Curry Kitten? I haven't checked yet, but I've used that sim a few times in the past.
just press L when in game. Cheers
@@AndyRCchannel Legend!! Thanks, Andy. 👊
Nothing on the market like this anymore, hard to find something similar
the quad you mean?
@@AndyRCchannel Yep, something compact but yet still using standard size components and is able to take a bit of abuse. Perfect for LOS basically.
Hi Andy. Have you seen Quadmovr's Quad rocket. He is the L.O.S Master. Peace out man.
Yeah he is an alien
I can fly pretty good FPV but not LOS. My biggest problem is getting the orientation right. I can do LOS if the back is facing me. I can even do that in acro but the minute I try to face myself the quad gets a little too close, I panic and disarm. I need to practice in Velocidrone. The physics in that sim suck in my opinion.
Try moving your position in space like I do in the vid. Works for me. Thanks for watching
@8:42 George Washington's face is in the clouds, center screen above the trees. Is this a conspiracy? Is this real life?😆 Thx Andy! Great video!
haha thats funny
Often the fpv beginner's temptation is to land in line of sight and thus remove the mask inflight.
I think the transition inflight is pretty disturbing and end up in a crash.
Is it something you do often?
it isnt no. mainly because i have really bad eyesight but my mate njtech can switch from fpv to los, iv seen him do it when someone blasted his video... i just usually crash
Are you using same rates LOS as FPV and what rates?
The rates are shown in the video just before the sim starts. Cheers
@@AndyRCchannel I've must have looked away that second. 🤪👍
is this a re-upload im ive seen this video already
It's a rehash
I'm halfway where you are. I can do some tricks los sight, powerloops all directions and even the "suicide trick" (blip the throttle when upside-down) but somehow I can't take a corner properly los.
But switch it to angle mode and I race across the field a foot above the grass making orbits and corners like a pro. Put on a goggle and now I can't fly in angle mode.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
just practice. it is difficult until it is not anymore :)
still sucks on LOS :( Lost orientation too fast lol
As a UK pilot, how did you end up flying Mode 1 Andy?
30 something years ago mode 2 didn't exist till helicopters came into play. I'm old I just must not sound it
@@AndyRCchannel Must be a regional thing. I'm in Hampshire and started out with a Precedent Hi-Boy, Enya 45 and Futaba radio gear aged 12 in 1986. Got my first heli in 1994. I've never known or flown anything other than mode 2. Couldn't imagine flying mode 1. It would do my head in! 😄
flying LOS acro is really hard😬
nahhhh its not. practice is key.
Weird how a tx16s is used for simulators but for irl los its a flysky. Amazing line of sight tho!
It's a rehash of an old video
@@AndyRCchannel oh my bad, sorry. Subbed tho!
When you "get in trouble" you don't need to disarm .. you can just switch to Angle mode instead and the quad is perfectly stable.
Why would you crash it into the ground instead ?
depends how you define what get in trouble is. Trees dont care about angle mode. getting too close to property or injuring a person its better to disarm and damage the quad than potentially hitting someone or something but 3 mistakes high sure angle might work... or u might still crash
@@AndyRCchannel so very true andy
I wonder why you didn't mention Freerider as a Sim ?? It's been around forever .. it was the first sim I got. I did install Currykitten but haven't tried it yet. Another Sim, which also requires 'Steam' is the DRL Sim .. but I think that one is more geared to racing than acro/freestyle. I think there's quite a bit of disparity in the 2 flying styles. Those who are good racers are not necessarily good freestyle pilots .. and vice/versa. A long time ago, there was a good freestyler named 'Charpu' (still some YT vids of his online). He's the one who got me to build my 1st quad (ZMR250 - 3S - 1806 motors) and, of course, I had to have a Taranis X9D+ to go along with it (which I still have). I'd had a break in my flying from my competition fixed wing days (where I flew Mode 1) .. so when I started flying quads, I just went with Mode 2 (all the toy grade TXs were set up that way). I flew a lot of toy grade quads (all LOS) which helped when I flew other quads. Still not good at Acro .. need some more time on a Sim. Perhaps its too late for this old dog to learn new tricks, as I've been flying RC craft for 60 years, going back to single channel days. Cheers!
I would have mentioned freerider but the last time i tried it the physics were massively out. maybe they have fixed that now. I have the drl sim. feels more like an arcade game and dont find it too realistic either
the difference between drone and plane los is that the drone doesn't self align forward to forward
that's why it's harder
I think you mean angle of attack? planes do have that problem its just more catastrophic for a quad
@@AndyRCchannel
hmm no, i mean yaw
the vertical stab keeps the front of the plane pointing in the direction of flight
one could code a digital vertical stab for betaflight, that would make los much easier
@@marc_frank oh thats interesting. I find the yaw is the one thing thats way more locked on a quad than a plane but as i said in the vid everyones different
@@AndyRCchannel yeah it is more locked, but you have to steer it yourself completely
when flying a plane i like to bank and yank, but if i do that with a quad los it goes all over the place XD
@@marc_frank ah yes. bank and yank is good for beginner planes however some instructors iv come across only teach that and its not ideal. biplanes for example need a lot of rudder on the turn or something similar happens to what a quad would do with bank and yank. Coordinated turn as its called is a skill needed for both fixed wing and quads. But if you are flying your quads fpv you must be doing coordinated turn, so I think you can transfer the skill to los :) just an idea though. If you are happy with what you are doing there is no right or wrong. its all about the smiles
Can't and won't Los lol
Yep.. los on quad is easier compared to heli..
That is not true, UA-cam recommends older videos a lot for me!
Theres no such thing as LOS!!!!! Its a myth!!! Lmao! No, not really, but damn is it hard. Now I am learning fixed wing so I am figuring it out. But after flying FPV, LOS is very hard.
Wow, paid ads...good to see
its just a trail for now but hopefully might generate some much needed income if things go well. also skillshare is brilliant i feel like neo having knowledge uploaded haha
@AndyRC I haven't used skillshare yet; I will soon.
@@pacificnorthwestpilots6050 click the link and try the premium as theres different levels and premium unlocks everything. u can easily learn a course in an hour for most of them. I think the fusion course i like is 7 hours
Great video as always, but if you want to see pure witchcraft Los flying, Check QUADMOVR... pretty sure you,ll be holding all his beers.. Thank me later.
If you aren't aware of that guy then you are not in the hobby. But I don't see any tutorials? He also has the luxury of not having to worry about smashing the model to review it. So the Los u see in my videos is very conservative. You might also consider trying to talk while doing what he does ;-)
@@AndyRCchannel no he doesn't do tutorials which is a shame, iv asked him multiple times but he's not interested. But one of the best Los pilots iv seen. But the question is, would he fly totally opposite in Fpv...🤔