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I went to buy a tin of pellets and came home with the BSA R12 super carbine in black pepper… and I’ve never looked back absolutely fantastic rifle!! 👌🏽
Good morning everyone!
Thank you Andy, for a great review.
I've read the comments so far and I detect some ill feeling towards BSA in respect of their pellet magazines.
I have the R12 CLX Pro. I haven't had any magazine issues. I absolutely adore everything about my air rifle. The thumbhole walnut stock, cocking lever, the looks, accuracy. The workmanship, craftsmanship, thought. To me its fantastic and l look forward to every time I use it.
I think the carbon bottle looks great too. However, I dont think I'll be getting one.
Yes, they look fantastic, though my original steel bottle works just fine and for me personally has enough shots per fill.
Yes, I'd say the carbon bottle looks better, though I've read that they have a life span and at £200 a chuck, I think I'll stay with what I have. My kit all works absolutely impeccably, though in my humble opinion, can get a little silly.
If anyone is considering one of these air rifles, I'd say get one yesterday. I adore mine, absolutely love it to pieces. To me, its just beautiful, beautiful kit and when Im looking the right way, fiercely accurate and at a very competitive price for the working man.
Best wishes, everyone.
Ps.
I sympathise with BSA and other manufacturer's as some people seem to think kit like this should be given to them.
It takes much time and effort, thought, etc, to produce kit like this, which obviously costs. Just look at the mechanics of what happens.
We go out, we work hard and sacrifice for our pleasures and things we like to do. We then part with our hard earned and receive fantastic kit like this. This is how we appreciate what we have and worked hard for.
In the interest of balance I'll add my experience, I have shot and owned a lot of BSA's over the years, I have had two Scorpions, an Ultra, a MK2 R10 and both the Ultra CLX and R12 CLX, in fairness I have had 0 issues with the magazines on all of those guns except the R12 which was a very tight fit and quite finnicky as to how the magazine was loaded, my R12 also had a slow leak out of the reg (as did my R10), I still have a scorpion and the R10 (now with Huma reg), and they are great guns, my advice to anyone considering a BSA gun that is regulated out of the factory would be to leave the gun as is until your warranty has expired if something goes wrong you can go back to BSA, once it is out of warranty swap out the factory reg and have your rifle re-sealed when that happens so you get fresh O rings throughout, the unregulated rifles like the Scorpion are built like tanks in my experience and plenty accurate a little light on air capacity for a range session but plenty for some pest control.
Essentially if the rifle you want is an unregulated model using the older style 10 shot magazine I'd have no hesitation recommending it, if its the new 12 shot CLX range just check in the store and make sure both mags seat nicely, for me my ultra clx mags were smooth the R12' magazines were unfortunately not great seems to be something that varies from gun to gun, now for anything regulated with the BSA reg it does seem that eventually the factory reg will give up the game over time, thankfully there are better aftermarket options out there, I would still recommend them as guns just be aware of the potential pitfalls.
@sonny2dap
Hello, my friend,
That's a great comment from someone who is very experienced with lots of advice. Thank you.
Good as use, some mag issues seem to be more with the 177, my son got the r 12 as soon as he! Seen it on aar, he has had issues with his but bsa have solved this with new mags, so so good.. cheers Andy
Great to see your addressing and investigating the magazine issue that’s caused so many others to put a downer on the bsa brand
I'm the one that had issues with my R12, I was told it would take 3 weeks but it came back in just 2 weeks. I had lost confidence in the BSA, it did not feel right so I kept going to the Gamo GX40. So I locked the GX40 away and just used the BSA, I bought BSA silver stars, 5 tins, I have put 3 of them through the barrel of the R12, it has not missed a beat. It did have an issue with one of the magazines, BSA just sent a new one back with my gun. There are only 2 thing I want from BSA, an R12 single shot tray, and a Blue, grey and white laminate stock. Happy BSA owner 😀👍👍👍
Nice bsa
I've still got my R10 the original its 10yrs old and still shoots like a dream at 50yrds..
As for splashing out more wonga on new air rifles. I hot myself a f.a.c licence
And shoot a lovely sister pair of weihrauch rifles 22lr & 17hmr both fitted out with wildcat suppressors...
This way I get my fix... don't get me wrong i love my camo bsa R10 it's done me proud....
Glad to see you covered the magazine issues. I have just started shooting and joined a local club. I was considering a BSA rifle, but without exception, everyone I spoke to told me to steer clear . Went for an AA S510 in the end.
Good call for a multi shot
Very sad that you were put off a Bsa. The 510 is a superb rifle for sure but I shoot a Bsa r12 regularly and it’s never ever missed a beat .177
I had BSA, Weihrauch and AA on my short list for my last rifle. I chose AA. (I was shopping for a springer and went for a full-length TX200, lovely in walnut.)
I suspect for the same reason that I choose Canon over Pentax, Nikon and Olympus cameras. My first "proper" camera was a Canon and it served me so well I never had the inclination to change brands. My first PCP rifle was an AA S400 carbine over 20 years ago and it still shoots really well.
Why can't they just get things like this right before they sell them. Why should the buyer be doing the R&D.
After lots of problems with my bsa ultra xl, and yes magazines were just one of them, I'll be steering clear of BSA's.
Andy, thanks again for fitting the Vector scope to dad’s Weirauch HW97KT this week. He’s over the moon with it! Good to see you again after so many years too. See you soon for a new bottle 👍🏼. Brett & Russ
You’re more than welcome, it is such a small world isn’t it, best wishes to your dad, see you soon. Andy
Purchased one today , super carbine black pepper from Vector air. I absolutely love it, what a fantastic rifle, I was using BSA BlackStar pellets and it is super accurate. Done about 200 pellets through it this evening and no issues so far. I also own a HW100 carbine laminate that I also purchased from Vector air, I thought nothing would equal the HW for accuracy but the BSA matches it in all departments. My first Modern BSA and I love it ❤.
Goodmorning gunfriends! Have a nice weekend!
morning
Good morning governor
@@TonyMontana-gh4sb have a great day
Have a nice and progressive day my friend 🫡
I've been to my local dealer today. They are no longer going to be a BSA dealer due to the on going issues. They have been a BSA dealer for as long as I ca remember. To say I was surprised was an understatement.
Oh so right Andy.
Stick to the limit and there is no problem - For any of us.
The BSA is fabulous!
Lots of guns lately have had mag issues. The new UX Notos is one of them. But, Carm or Maple have made some very excellent, aftermarket printed magazines and they aren't the old, crappy type of filament that break when you look at them wrong. Been very impressed with both companies offerings.
Greetings from Cyprus! Always a pleasure to watch your videos. Thanks a lot for all the info and updates.
Lovely rifle. I'd only have one issue here, and that is the larger bottle impinging on the barrel. It looks like it's very close to the silencer.
Love the black pepper stock.
Shame they're discontinuing the bolt action, that was near the top of my wants list and a lovely bit of kit. There's something about a bolt action that makes me take my time over every shot, it's too easy to just bang through a mag in ten seconds with a side-lever. Fabulous walnut stock too.
Great review as always. And a polite reminder to those who might contravene the law. Not too.
As you’ve said many times. Please don’t negatively raise awareness of our sport to the governing bodies.
Well said, I agree with those sentiments entirely. We"d all like a flatter trajectory and a bit more usuable power, but, something is better than nothing.
Great Review Andy, had to watch it twice. Thank You keep it up.
Yet another brilliant review Andy .Wise words at the end .Thanks again .
Looks nice but quality control is poor from the experience of several of my fellow shooters. Crazy that if you want a carbon bottle you’ve already paid for a steel bottle which is redundant.
Glad I purchased a BRK Ghost instead
Love to see a 10m air rifle review in the near future. Not seen an Anschutz nor Feinwerkbau on your channel yet my friend. 😊
I brought the CLX Pro when they first come out, due to issues with my wrist it was with a heavy heart I sold it last month. I just could not get on with the thumbhole stock due to my wrist, and and now there is this, a lovely sporter stock ……… best be calling into my local RFD soon 👍
2nd Good morning , everybody and our Host Andy ...... have a fantastic day Cheers Simon
Good morning!
@@AAROnair Have a great day
You too, my friend.
Absolutely stunning, think the carbon bottle would look awesome on my R12 , great presentation Andy 👍
brilliant answer to the num questions asked cheers Andy
It's not just mag issues, heard a few about reg problems as well looks nice with the carbon bottle though something BSA should have done years ago
i have a r10 ,r12 CLX and a scorpion TS and have had no problem's with any . the magazines have all worked well ,
Nice gun. Great review as always. My experience of BSA is not so positive. I would consider purchasing this gun were it not for the poor post purchase support, which BSA are woeful at providing. I think I would wait a few months and wait for any modifications to be undertaken, particularly from experience with my CLX, where small modifications post release appear to have addressed some of the issues which caused me some angst.
As always a very entertaining review and it is nice to see that you are now struggling to keep up with your performances shooting a PCP over your natural ability with a springer.
I got badly bitten by the Firebird model..it leeks and BSA was not interested in servicing it ....
I had multiple issues with my brand new R12 . So much so that I exchanged it for an Air Arms S510 Ultimate Sporter R Laminate,which in my humble opinion is superior in every way. I would be tempted back to BSA if I had confidence that all issues were sorted . Due to the fact that magazine issues are still being worked on does not give me confidence that the issues are sorted .Also, the customer service from BSA pitiful.
@@cedhome7945mine went back to BSA twice. It started to play up after less than 1 magazine full of pellets and the only response I had both times was one word “pellets”. It spent in total over 10 weeks with BSA. Compare that with a Weibrauch 97k which I had an issue with, which was repaired under warranty in a week, door to door.
I do think BSA design good guns, but reliability and after sales is questionable. I have to say that some two years since my BSA was last repaired and after fitting a HUMA regulator to it, it is a changed gun.
I checked back on all of the reviews and interesting whether it be online or in print, every review on my rifle was based upon the .22 version, whilst every problem I have seen reported has been on the .177 like mine.
I am really interested in purchasing this rifle after seeing the review but I think I will wait 6 months and see what problems are reported first and what BSA do to correct it.
Same here my Scorpion 1200 SE was great until it started leaking . It has so many o-rings . Still chasing leaks .
I am the lucky owner of a 160 CLX in Black Pepper and love it.
Just had to give up my firearms due to ill health and looking into getting a PCP air rifle to keep on shooting; finding your reviews a massive help for an air rifle newbie. . Keep up the good work! 🙂 Cheers.
Me too. My FAC expired about 18 months ago just as I reached my pension. I sold up and went back to air. In the last year I bought a Weihrauch HW45 "bronze star" pistol and an Air Arms TX200. Both lovely springers I never intend to sell.
As others have said glad to see you finally addressing the mag problems. I stuck with my R12 dispite BSA's customer service. Using Baracuda 8's my R12 is pellet on pellet at 30m ( my clubs max range). Hope BSA have got things right with the SLX ? Enjoyed your vid Andy.
Well done Andy this vid made me order the carbon bottle from Vector Air for the R12 CLX I've just ordered. It just looks so much better than the small steel bottle that comes with my latest purchase.
Great demo
As ever, entertaining and informative, thanks Andy. I echo your views on tuning air rifles. I actually prefer mine around 10.5 foot-pounds but if you must tinker then get a reliable chrono and keep your guns legal!
Well said ! 👏
Nice piece of kit !
Will have a look at one at the BSS in Feb
I have been shooting with a Gamo GX40, yes it has issues with the magazine. But I always load it with the barrel down. But i wanted a regulated rifle, and opted for the BSA R12CLX Pro three weeks ago. It is now on it's way back to BSA as it is not cocking, used over 2 weekends and a problem. will see what service BSA offer, but so glad I did not trade in the Gamo!
Lovely review Andy .. wish i could afford one 😢 just have to do with the best i can get 👍.
Still an excellent, informative and almost impartial ( you can see the look of love in your face when you pick it up and touch it .. small wonder its beautiful)👍
Morning Andy, really interested in this review, having bought a R12 clx pro in Fac with the black pepper stock in September this year I can say it’s absolutely amazing to shoot, handle and look at.
I’m doing pest control with it as I believe a rifle should be used for its intended purpose.
I’m putting JSB exact jumbo Diablo 15.89 pellets through it and haven’t experience and not had any magazine problems at all. I’m getting a 20 mm group at 70 m off quad sticks which is well with in kill zone of what I’m after.Faultless rifle from my experience. Bought the R12 off the back of your reviews and haven’t been disappointed.👍
Andy is the Noel Edmunds of the air gun world
Gotcha
thanks for the video
I bought a AAR limited edition in .177 and had back loading issues. Vector air sent me out a new magazine but still had the problem. Sent my rifle back to Vector who sent it to BSA (Cannot fault Vector air they are brilliant) Since then I have had no issue at all with it including using the original mags.
Another awesome review, thankyou good sir 💪
it is a beautiful rifle, I also like the look of the black pepper laminate stocks, and to add to your remarks on how to increase and decrease power, they don't understand that upping the power can also reult in failure of seals in your rather expensive rifle
Beautiful rifle 😊
Great review
Looks like my Wolverine R Hi-Lite. It has the same type of laminate stock, but it is a thumb hole. Perhaps the BSA is a little more compact as well. A very nice gun. 👍
another great rifle :) .... will have to ad both versions to the list now lool :)
❤ love BSA
Love my BSA r10 MK2 carbine 👌.. With custom regulator 👌 pellets on pellet 30 yards no prob.. diablo's 16gr 👌😜
I was offered one second hand at £899 and even though that was out of my league, after handling it I struggled to walk away from the deal. I stick to second hand guns so that I can buy the best I can afford. Anyway, always informative and pretty honest, I'd like to have had more information on what the issue is with the magazine though. Cheers Andy
Pellets can fall backwards when the barrel is elevated. The pellet can then either rattle about where it shouldn't be or jam the trigger requiring the stock to be removed. I have heard of people loading pellets in the magazine with a small stick to ensure they are correctly seated. The BSA instructions say something about fully seating pellets but the inference is that it is the shooter's fault when it goes wrong.
@@sometimesdimneverthin8901 cheers dude much appreciated
I’ve got a bsa r12 clx pro I’ve fitted a best fittings 500cc carbon buddy bottle and an Optisan EVX 5/16/44 and it’s a real tack driver in .177 and consistently puts pellet on pellet…….so if you can afford one GET ONE….oh and my one loved qys domed and air arms pellets,and although they dont make the Optisan EVX any more it is a fantastic scope….and you can still find new old stock being sold online.
Considering the throw of the side lever, biathlon style it isn't. Pretty rifle, as was my original R10. It went back to the factory 5 times in a short space of time and wasn't just the regulator issue. Just hope these are much better made. I've not bought a new BSA since then.
Are the CLX regulators working properly now.? I had R10se with the new improved reg😉 from BSA , so good BSA owners had to stump up 💵💵for after market regs as the BSA ones often failed
Nice review Andy, can you tell us if the carbon cylinder will fit on the R10
Glad to see a proper handed stock on the Walnut model. Shame its not offered on the ambidextrous laminate stock.
Andy , thanks for the helpful review . My interest is in the FAC version , so could you answer the following please . Is there an FAC version in .22 ? Is is regulated ? What would the shot count be in FAC with a carbon bottle ? Thanks in advance 👍
Got rid of my Ultra CLX because even with the new magazine / monoblock system the pellets kept ending up in the trigger group, and that was with BSAs own branded pellets.
I can get same groups with my kral puncher, big question is, that smoother clocking, trigger and looks worth all the extra money, I had a day state air ranger, lovely gun but in the field I was worried about scratching it, it spoilt the morning, so I'd reckon most of these guns will end up as target guns. Too beautiful for it's purpose, good review
Nice to see finally their offering a carbon bottle ,the steel ones always look budget gun to me . However not offering it as a standard version but asking 200 quid extra for a carbon bottle and leaving you with a cheap nasty useless steel bottle is a bit of a cheek
Having spent part of my career with high pressure leak test rigs, I have visited a few bottle manufacturers. If you saw what goes into the manufacture of a carbon bottle then you would understand why they are so much more costly than either the steel or aluminium alternatives. Like many things, you get what you pay for.
Surely they can just offer you a carbon upgrade rather than buying the steel bottle in the first place. Then just charge an extra £100 that would be a better option 😊
Exactly ,its a con
If only BSA's QC and after sales matched the look of the guns.
I'd watch your program for quite some time. I find you're information quite insightful. Your comparison between budget rifles. Is based on a feature. My interest is accurate. It seems to me that your budget rifles are as accurate as your expensive rifles. Compare them only on accuracy. And then I would like to see your opinion. Thank you.
Interesting review. I’ve seen more accurate results from you with ‘budget’ rifles. I like the laminate but the bottle looks out of proportion to the stock. I know how it shoots is more important but I do like to open the gun cabinet and like what I see.
Great review
AA and Weihrauch need to take note. 👍
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Need to take note of WHAT?
I have had 2 BSA R10se and they both had accuracy issues with good groups then shooting all over the place then group for a while then all over the place. The magazine on the R10se would jam up if you had to cock the gun while was at a angle, eg , like shooting from a rest at squirrels, very frustrating when you need a quick second shot. When they realised the new R12 with the new mag and regulator I thought I hope they have fixed the issues with reg, and mag. But no, lots of unhappy customers who spent a lot of money only to disappointed
Andy didn't elaborate on the remark concerning the magazines. I have an R10 and have experienced jams. The only pellets that are faultless, seem to be the 10.34 ones. Is the problem the same with the R12 ???
Morning Andy
Morning!
the best pellets for my gen 1 umarex gauntlet are H&N barracudas. im starting to feel like theres not just a perfect pellet for each gun but theres some like them that are great for every barrel.
Hi Andy thank you for the review but it may end in devorce. Is the carbon bottle available on its own? I looked on the BSA site but it’s not listed there.
Nice review I do love these R12’s and really want to make a pro my next air rifle it will probably be my last new purchase but the magazine issue which I keep seeing on UA-cam does concern me enough to seriously consider buying another Air Arms.
Oh and thanks for another fantastic review I like to watch as near to 7 am as possible to set me up nicely for the day.👍👌❤️
It looks lovely but if it doesn’t function properly what’s it worth.
I have had 2 R10se and both had accuracy issues and mag jams despite BSA saying they were the new improved model 🙄.
I thought they would have sorted out the issues on their new models, new mags and regulator apparently but no, It’s a great pity as the basic lay out of the rifles is all I would ever want, but if it doesn’t shoot straight or isn’t reliable 🤔 good looking means nothing
Wish they would make the cocking arm switchable for us lefties 😊thanks mr & mrs AAR 😊
I hope the SLX is better than my CLX R12 pro carbine! I’ve had nothing but trouble! Wouldn’t hold charge so went back and had a new regulator, gone back again this week for same reason and anti double load is sticking! Along with magazine trouble, I’ve probably put no more than 200 pellets through it!! Very frustrating! Once fixed I’ll trade it in.
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Wise words. In your opinion, how does it stack up against the Weihrauch HW100 or HW110 ?
Andy are you going to do a video on lead free pellets in the BSA SLX😊
Just wondering if you wash your pellets before chronoing and testing? It might be something to consider if you're long term testing a rifle? I hope you're going to testing that mag/rifle in multiple weather conditions?
Have BSA stopped the pellets falling back into the trigger mechanism? I am taking my CLX ultra to the rat works for upgrades
Would the carbon bottle fit the R10 mk2...?. Looks similar upfront.
Thank you for another excellent review. Earlier this year I bought a new R10 se super carbine in .177. Using both AA Diablos and H&N FTT (which I understand are the same pellet as the BSA goldstars) I still get magazine jams usually around pellet 7. Is there still a known issue with these magazines and are you aware of a fix?
Sorry to hear that bud I bought one then had accuracy issues 😔 so just figured it was a one off glitch. So bought another one for for hunting thinking I could use the new one while the other was being repaired. But sadly the new one had accuracy issues just like the first one, 😔 would group 👍 then for no apparent reason send pellets all over the place. The magazines would jam on both rifles, especially when shooting up at a angle ( I shoot a lot of Crows). In short, BSA looks good but consistently fail in function, even the new improved ones The R10se, and now the CLX .🙄 It seems BSA management launches new improved rifles with the same old faults 😔 which is a tragedy as they are just what I was looking for, but if a gun can’t shoot straight 😳what’s it worth?
Super gun and l’d love to have one but l believe it’s not truly ambidextrous because the side lever can’t be changed. Is this correct?
Ver nice.
Love my S410, but if didnt have it would be an SLX.
16:59 Andy, it's time for a special videoguide: air weapons to survive in WWIII...
Nice 👌👌
You really should make some challenge for those guns. Like 100 m or even more
When you do your fps/ft-lb, Can you include a Noise figure too, say from 1 mtr? I use SPL meter on the iPhone and that works very well. You often talk about how quiet or loud a gun is but it would be nice for a figure too.
Regards
It would be interesting but a bit of a minefield. It isn't just the sound pressure level but the noise spectrum (or "weighting") which affects the perceived noise level of the muzzle crack.
Great video! I really like the SLX, but choosing what version is not going to be easy 😂
Is it just me or is your voice moving from the left to right channel? It feels a bit like shooting @ a windy day ;-)
When you want to center it, make your voice channel mono in the edit.
Keep up the great video’s!
Can the carbon bottle be fitted to the CLX Ultra?
that looks lovely rifle,and can u change silencer,if so what one would u say to go for? 👍
he mentioned in the beginning that in the case you get all the stuff needed, to remove the shroud and have the barrel on show and put the supplied silencer on it
FYI BTW I like you LOooooove my R10 Bsa
Will the carbon fibre cylinder fit on a R 10 SE ?
Out interest unless I’ve been really blind and missed it after watching through twice by adding a carbon bottle what are the weight reductions on both sizes bottles and also you said £199 is this the same price for either sized bottles 300cc and 500cc?
This rifle should have an adjustable cheek piece like the CLX Pro. And if the adjustable cheek piece matched the rest of the stock (as AA have done with their ultimate sporter) then it would be worth considering. Should a would a could a.
Dear Andy, do you know where I can purchase this beautiful pcp rifle in the USA
Thanks Richard
This Vs daystate wolverine???
I have an R12 CLX Pro. Does anyone know how best to fit a Harris style bipod. I’ve had it fixed to steel buddy bottle but some say the forces will damage the threaded connection and cause air leaks. I tried fixing bipod to front stud but force of folding out the bipod legs pulled out the stud and a puff of sawdust. Now I have no confidence in either method of fixing and have doubts that the BSA factory fitted stud is capable, but of hole is enlarged how can I strengthen fitting without epoxy or drilling another hole in that lovely Minnelli walnut stock?
Will the carbon bottle fit on the aar version???
The magnet cover is the only thing that will bother me. Is there a way to get them with a loop hole on them so it won’t fall off. I mean BSA please why didn’t you think of this.
For that money you have the FX Crown in different stocks!
forgive my ignorance but does that carbon bottle fit an R10? Great review as usual
no
I wish i could afford one Ide just hang it on the wall and sit and look at it Gorgeous 👍👍
Hi Andy, I’m a new air rifle enthusiast, I would love to buy the Bsa you reviewed, it looks stunning and looks like it shoots so well.
I recently joined my local air rifle club and over heard a couple of members talking about a lead pellet ban coming into force in the uk.
Do you have any inside information on this ?
Cheers
Dave
Hi Dave, The UK government is no longer considering a ban on lead pellets for air guns & rifles after the recent consultation. Regards, Paul
That’s good news then, cheers paul .
P.S. Thank you for your reviews. I absolutely love my gun and wouldn’t ever give it up! I’m not so sure it is a mag issue however? You are welcome to test mine out with the original magazines if you would like to
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The price of the BSA puts me completely off. More expensive than a Daystate Huntsman Revere, now that rifle is beauty!