Love what you do, buddy. It's great to witness someone who studies, analyses, and offers solutions, and then has the skill to implement them. One of my favourite channels to watch.
Great review Jake ,so refreshing to have an honest appraisal of a rifle.The first day you brought it to the range it was very underwhelming.It now shots as it should have on day one out of the box .Fascinating journey as ever keep up the good work mate .
Great sum up and very fair final review. Quality Assurance must be shocking as BSA for this to pass and be shipped out. It’s absolutely put me off and whilst I’m reasonably capable, there’s no way I could have carried out the work that you have. I’d have had the refund option and bought another HW100. 😄 Thank you 🙏
Another great review wish you were my mate to give my rifles the once over 😂. Your analysis is spot on and very informative can't wait for your next video, top class.
Awesome video Jeff. I did fancy one of these and have been awaiting your conclusion. I think I will pass on buying one now. You did a great job on this one though. Be great to keep, or for the lucky person who buys it off you. A well sorted rifle now. Shame they don’t come out of the factory like that. Look forward to more videos from yourselves.👍👍👍😝😅
Another series coming to end with an unbiased and objective review - rare on youtube these days, so well done. I like the look of the rifle, however the engineering you "may" have to do and those pesky 13mm rails would stop be buying new. A really good plinker or hunter with a nice shot count. Loomk forward to the next series.
Been another interesting series to follow along. I do like the more classic looking rifles and the carbon fibre shroud, moderator and bottle you installed do enhance the look considerably for me. Whilst I agree that the picatinny rail is the way forward, I do prefer the shape of the dovetail rail for this type of rifle, although why BSA have to stick to their dreaded 13mm, must be one of those its always been like that so that is how it will stay. 😕. Thanks for the videos on this one, look forward to the next.
Thanks again for a great set of videos, views, adjustments and opinions on the R12. I do hope BSA, along with other manufacturers whose rifles you purchase, listen, observe and learn going forward, especially when you highlight so clearly key discrepancies, be they mechanical or cosmetic. Sometimes it’s better for the manufacturer to swallow their pride and admit things could’ve been done better and ensure they are done so in the future. Not doing so may put them out of favour, or worse still, business, as someone else will come along and do it better. Your videos may sway some people, but for now I’ve decided to I’m stick with my R12. Maybe I was a bit luckier out of the box. Thanks once again 👍
thanks for following along😀 overall we are very happy now but it would be nice for BSA to change a few small things to make the gun better for everyone👍
Great video Geoff I am 61 nearly and have been shooting air guns all of my life. I remember the days when I was about 10 years old and I used to borrow my uncles BSA Airsporter S. I used to practice and practice with it and I used to knock the heads of match sticks at the end of our 30yard plus garden. I loved that gun. So when the R12 , first came out , I hankered back to the old days with that Airsporter. I brought the R12 , thinking that this would be equally as brilliant as that old gun. My oh my, where do I start. Leaks , inaccurate , magazines didn’t work properly plus a recall due to potentially faulty regulators. What a terrible and negative experience I had with this gun. Total 💩. I am now the proud owner of a BRK Ghost . Was so impressed I’ve got two limited editions. BSA , you really do need to pull your socks up and take a leaf out of other quality manufacturers books. It’s a bit like being bitten by a rabid dog . You do not want to go there again.
we was unlucky with this one, i do think it should come with a carbon bottle as standard it makes the gun balance so much better and looks good to. this one is better than my R10 now so happy in the end
Hi there, first of all can i say how impressive your skills are ive followed the series and waited for the next at each time. I own an R12 CLX pro and brought it just after you had released your second vid. I was able to shoot one at my club and i really liked it as a package. For me while can agree with several of your points as a rifle it is generally a fine piece of kit. Yes the early releases required a recall to BSA to resolve the Mag issue, Yes it may have a lot of AT (but as i send my kit away for service that isnt a concern to me) the carbon bottle wasn't a dealbreaker for me either as I'm not keen on them. The rail size is in my book the biggest problem with the BSA; and am having it tuned at a well known outlet which will rectify many of the points you do raise. Unfortunately you got a "wrong-un" and yes with your barrel, it probably shouldn't of got past QC, and I'm sure given the chance a replacement would do very well. Out of the box. Mine shoots fine (and will i hope be even smoother and better when i get it back) as do those ive used at my club. Ive also replaced the BSA shroud and mod with a Hugget set which really tones it down even more, but perhaps not as much as yours. Yes put modern Pic rails on it and it would of ticked every box but there are pic rail converters out there to fit BSAs rail size (and they are well made too) Great to see a totally honest and non biased review here tho makes a change.
thank you and thanks for taking the time to comment 😀 all our views and opinions are ours and we don't try to sway people, just say what we think and feel about the gun we have, i do think the r12 we had was a Friday gun and i know they are not all like it 😀 it did end up being a very nice gun to shoot and very accurate and the new owner is over the moon so it's all good 😀 we will do another bsa at some point so i am sure we will have a better time with that one👍
IMO the manufacturer must be made aware of ANY issue because at the end of the day it is ultimately their neck on the chopping block if not corrected.Fix it yourself or send it back….either way they must be made aware of all issues or they will continue to happen.🤷♂️😉
For the price BSA want for this rifle the issues with the barrel, chambering and pellet probe are appalling! Its out of the box accuracy is a joke. Some years ago I bought a new FAC R10SE and it was equally as bad as well as having a "sticky" bolt and an inconsistent regulator. It went back to BSA and came back no better. The only thing they appeared to have done was pump a load of silicon grease around the bolt. Swapped if for a AA S510 (FAC) for around the same price which was streets ahead in both accuracy and consistency without any adjustment or modification. I also have a cheap Chinese sub 12 Snowpeak P35 which cost less than half the R12 and out of the box was, and still is, far better than this. If this is the standard of workmanship BSA are selling for £1,200 then the answer to the question is a resounding NO, you should not buy one. Would you buy a new car and expect to have to take it to a workshop and modify it just to get the engine to run properly? I think not!
Another great video Jeff, and sum up. im not a bsa luver being honest, there just seems so much they could do better but dont, just my own personal opinion, but to the bsa lovers good for you, Thanks again Jeff for these informative and educational videos , Cheers 😁😁👌👌👌👌👍👍👍👍👍👍
A gorgeous looking rifle and your engineering skills made the rifle what it should have been when it came out of the factory. I’ve always had a soft spot for BSA on account of the Airsporter I had as a teenager in the 60’s but then the HW35 appeared on the scene and German engineering put everything else in the shade. A few years ago I bought a new BSA and had the legendary John Bowkett “blue print” it as an FAC in .177 - it was an awesome performer after he worked on it but I keep hearing stories of quality control issues and only a few days ago a chap walked into my usual gun shop with exactly this model - it had magazine issues but this guy, who it transpired was a retired engineer, explained with the aid of a micrometer exactly what the failings were. What a pity that BSA is not synonymous with engineering execellence or at least adequate QC to make sure these guns never leave the factory🤷♂️.
stunning work mate . think some of the mods should be from the factory in my opinion but of course it’s how i like a rifle to look not every one’s cup of tea . you have to take your hat off to the surplus store there customer service is second to none . all my dealings with them they really do look for a solution. i thought my red wolf was slightly over powered and straight away they said bring it back and we will sort it out. it wasn’t next time i tested it i realised i had set the pellet weight wrong on the crono 😵💫😵💫 rookie mistake
Good video sir,my opinion is that not everyone can work on their guns like you do and for the price they shouldn't have to. Is there a rifle out there out of the box that doesn't need fixed? Anyway I really enjoy your videos 👍
BSA have a track record for consistent manufacturing quality. Good job this less than perfect example fell to you. Your expertise is amazing. Would I buy one ? Yes please. Just subbed. Thank you so.
Purchased this rifle 2 weeks ago and love it. The metal bottle does not bother me, had no problems with the magazines and shoots more accurate than I can. I put a 48 shot string through the chrono and got a standard deviation of 2.4 with HN Baracuda FT pellets. I also have a HW100 KT and for me they are both superb.
Thanks, I feel very lucky. My BSA and HW are both superb, they had to be great out the box because I don’t have your skills to do anything to them. Your work and vids are great.
Hello Sir, I enjoyed your video and listening to you very much. Thank you. To me, you are a genius in what you do, make and alter to improve overall function, and performance. If I may speak about the steel and carbon fibre bottles, please? The rifle comes with the black, steel air bottle, though most people were annoyed the rifle hadn't been fitted with a carbon fibre version. I understand the carbon fibre bottles have a lifespan, so they will need to be renewed every so often. As I understand, the steel bottles will generally last indefinitely. I'm not sure about specific costs, though the carbon fibre bottles are quite a few pounds. They offer a an improved shot count, and I would say look much better. However, the steel bottles have a fair shot count, and to me, they look very well. With great respect, I think there'll be people that look at the cost of a new carbon fibre bottle, then decide to stay with what they have. I haven't decided yet, though I don't like the idea of the carbon fibre air bottle having a lifespan at that price. All that said, I absolutely love my BSA R12 CLX PRO. It's just fantastic with absolutely no issues what so ever. Thank you.
Enjoy your videos as usual i have found that most shops etc once they got your money they will do there best not to take back, it's always your fault, try new pellets is always the first, even the manufacturer, will ignore you i been called a troll but i always give fair criticism,and when you spend your money you expect them to abide the gaurretee, I do in my business 👍
You are amazing my friend with your knowledge. I wish you were my friend living close to me to do your magic on my guns. Can you please tell me your honest opinion what you think about the EDGUN R3M.
thank you 😀 the R3m is built like a tank in a good way a bit agricultural in use but a good gun only problems i have seen is the firing valve can give trouble on some
@@JohnVentarino-ey5ln the firing valve wears and starts to give inconsistency in shots i have replaced a couple you can get a kit valve pin ,spring and o rings
This seems to be happening more often. The fx panthera you had was the same it would have been interesting to see if it was just the rifles you got or if it was all the rifles. Most of us don't have the machinery or knowledge to fix an inaccurate rifle
@@sub12airgunners Strange, i have never shot great Gamo's, just repaired bad ones. The last one was that overpriced wannabee HW77/97 called CF-X underlever with bend spring and blown out gaskets from that pellet skirt deforming rotating breech. Had to strip the whole rifle to replace those seals and o-rings. Now they have re-introduced that crap again. Maybe i'm unfair because i'm spoiled with my HW's but if you have to print a lot of fancy words like bone collector or Swarm Magnum Pro 10X GEN3i and high pellet velocities only possible with alloy pellets on a box to impress buyers to buy plastic than you know it's crap.
I've recently added the R12 cayenne. Despite many peoples experiences, mine is exceedingly accurate, able to put pellet on pellet when im om song, shooting off a rokstad tripod at 30metres and the magazines with the better o rings are faultless. I bought mine after watching this hoping it was a minority QA issue and it seems it was. BSA shoukd be better then to have these issues but thankfully when they work, they really work.
Yes i got contacted by a lot of people having the same issues as me which is a real shame but i also got contacted by people that had good ones which is great i am glad you got a good one as you say when they are good they are good
I’ve got two supertens (mk1) had them forever, my everyday go to gun on the farm and my permissions for years, can’t fault them as work horse, BSA should have moved on seeing as the S10 has been superseded twice but they got stuck in a rut. I also have a few AIr Arms including the S400 Tx200 etc but my HFT competition gun is a custom S400 and that’s the difference, BSA should be on that playing field but they’re not…
Same as that i have two mk1 S10s, never missed a beat. little bull pup is great around barns. Have a couple of rubbish Daystates & the BSAs beat them hand down!
I just recently purchased a R-10 and after watching this, I had to go check my barrel and wouldn’t you know the same thing about 3 to 5 mm at the end, it looks like the rifling just tapers off to nothing right there I’m wondering is this supposed to be that way?
I do feel a little sorry for a rifle needing this degree of mods to live up to its expected standards... I for one am not able to make all these modifications... I do like the rifles looks and overall length...
I've got two clx, one is the original first edition Would never buy another one, numerous problems including the magazine, loose Allen bolts, rust on barrel, loose barrel Learnt my lesson with bsa
I like the look of this rifle, but BSA just cant get there issues sorted out , R10 now R12, i will stick with my very reliable and accurate Daystate Huntsman
Ya don't seem to have much luck with rifles ? The fx was dodgy too or these manufacturers need to sort there quality out ? Not everyone can fix these problems themselves?
@@sub12airgunners The Ratworks have worked wonders , now almost pellet on pellet at 30m outside. Looks like they have done similar work on the crown. It likes pellets over 9 grains
@@noelwallace5257 I have the .22 and not had any issues and seeing all the messages on the Facebook BSA R12 owners Group it has definitely been more .177 issues.
A rifle costing that sort of money shouldn't leave the factory like that,where's the quality control,,and altering and changing things like you did should not be necessary,,BSA have gone downhill over the years and you see it on all the forums with people having problems with a lot of their rifles,not acceptable at all in my eyes.
I won't trust BSA again after I purchased a Firebird and after the first one kept going over 16fb the second started leeking and they didn't want to know.....get it repaired by the original designer they said........
An utter shame that BSA's quality control is third world. From a once World renowned and respected small arms producer... and motorcycles... this UK company has been unable to keep pace with the higher standards in production demanded by consumers. I am 75 years old, have owned and ridden BSA's, owned and shot their 'rifles' (currently have their Defiant Bullpup Black Pepper, but lament the short commings now commonplace/inherent in their products. It is a sad state of affairs, like me BSA is passed it's sell by date!
Bsa gone down hill 20 years ago and cannot compete in todays accurate modern day reliable rife designs and most of all quality and quantity control ill never touch one when you can buy off the peg that shoots a 10p groups at 50+yards and no way should you be fixing a new gun thats just ridiculous they did build nice accurate quality rifles 40 years ago!
I had the R10 on its so called MK3 Regulator and was still rubbish, even after pitting in a HUMA AIR reg it still was not much cop, lovely looking rifle but looks are not what you buy them for in the long run. Stay away from them. Not worth the money and you will have to spend money on them again trying to get them right.
who cares about edge to edge group size? thats calibre dependant. use proper moa/mil/centre to centre or dont bother. might as well say 5p groups or whatever other mickey mouse channels call them
Pains me to say it but don’t? for the money you could be a really good air arms s510 ultimate sporter or the S500 HFT , probably the best mid range priced air rifle on the market, ps I’ve been shooting bsa rifles since I was 10 years old 70 now but still hitting 250 17xs couldn’t do that with this bsa , it’s a 10 pence pice rifle at 30 Yards , ok for rats or pigeons, even after a good tune it will not get better ❤️🩹 shame it looks great
Love what you do, buddy.
It's great to witness someone who studies, analyses, and offers solutions, and then has the skill to implement them.
One of my favourite channels to watch.
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Great review Jake ,so refreshing to have an honest appraisal of a rifle.The first day you brought it to the range it was very underwhelming.It now shots as it should have on day one out of the box .Fascinating journey as ever keep up the good work mate .
Thanks mate, it is a very nice gun now but as you say it did make us work for it😀
A fair sum up I think. Perhaps the manufacturers will take note on some things highlighted. Agree about the Pic rail. Great video, Cheers!!
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Great sum up and very fair final review.
Quality Assurance must be shocking as BSA for this to pass and be shipped out.
It’s absolutely put me off and whilst I’m reasonably capable, there’s no way I could have carried out the work that you have.
I’d have had the refund option and bought another HW100. 😄
Thank you 🙏
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Another great review wish you were my mate to give my rifles the once over 😂. Your analysis is spot on and very informative can't wait for your next video, top class.
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Another good, honest and interesting review , love watching your work and expertise , thank you.
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Awesome video Jeff. I did fancy one of these and have been awaiting your conclusion. I think I will pass on buying one now. You did a great job on this one though. Be great to keep, or for the lucky person who buys it off you. A well sorted rifle now. Shame they don’t come out of the factory like that. Look forward to more videos from yourselves.👍👍👍😝😅
If you like old school guns with more modern performance you might re think.
@@peterprice5896 I have a sorted R10 so I will stick with that 🤣🤣
thank you and thanks for watching 👍 the happy new owner picked it up on Saturday 😀
Another series coming to end with an unbiased and objective review - rare on youtube these days, so well done. I like the look of the rifle, however the engineering you "may" have to do and those pesky 13mm rails would stop be buying new. A really good plinker or hunter with a nice shot count. Loomk forward to the next series.
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Been another interesting series to follow along. I do like the more classic looking rifles and the carbon fibre shroud, moderator and bottle you installed do enhance the look considerably for me. Whilst I agree that the picatinny rail is the way forward, I do prefer the shape of the dovetail rail for this type of rifle, although why BSA have to stick to their dreaded 13mm, must be one of those its always been like that so that is how it will stay. 😕. Thanks for the videos on this one, look forward to the next.
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Thanks again for a great set of videos, views, adjustments and opinions on the R12. I do hope BSA, along with other manufacturers whose rifles you purchase, listen, observe and learn going forward, especially when you highlight so clearly key discrepancies, be they mechanical or cosmetic. Sometimes it’s better for the manufacturer to swallow their pride and admit things could’ve been done better and ensure they are done so in the future. Not doing so may put them out of favour, or worse still, business, as someone else will come along and do it better.
Your videos may sway some people, but for now I’ve decided to I’m stick with my R12. Maybe I was a bit luckier out of the box. Thanks once again 👍
thanks for following along😀 overall we are very happy now but it would be nice for BSA to change a few small things to make the gun better for everyone👍
Great video Geoff I am 61 nearly and have been shooting air guns all of my life. I remember the days when I was about 10 years old and I used to borrow my uncles BSA Airsporter S. I used to practice and practice with it and I used to knock the heads of match sticks at the end of our 30yard plus garden. I loved that gun. So when the R12 , first came out , I hankered back to the old days with that Airsporter. I brought the R12 , thinking that this would be equally as brilliant as that old gun. My oh my, where do I start. Leaks , inaccurate , magazines didn’t work properly plus a recall due to potentially faulty regulators. What a terrible and negative experience I had with this gun. Total 💩. I am now the proud owner of a BRK Ghost . Was so impressed I’ve got two limited editions. BSA , you really do need to pull your socks up and take a leaf out of other quality manufacturers books. It’s a bit like being bitten by a rabid dog . You do not want to go there again.
Pity they dont come like that outta the box, I'd snap it up. Great work as usual buddy.
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have to say your work is fantastic
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I own an R12 And I’d say your summing up is fair you are simply describing your experience with the rifle so I’d say fair enough.
we was unlucky with this one, i do think it should come with a carbon bottle as standard it makes the gun balance so much better and looks good to. this one is better than my R10 now so happy in the end
Hi there, first of all can i say how impressive your skills are ive followed the series and waited for the next at each time. I own an R12 CLX pro and brought it just after you had released your second vid. I was able to shoot one at my club and i really liked it as a package. For me while can agree with several of your points as a rifle it is generally a fine piece of kit. Yes the early releases required a recall to BSA to resolve the Mag issue, Yes it may have a lot of AT (but as i send my kit away for service that isnt a concern to me) the carbon bottle wasn't a dealbreaker for me either as I'm not keen on them.
The rail size is in my book the biggest problem with the BSA; and am having it tuned at a well known outlet which will rectify many of the points you do raise.
Unfortunately you got a "wrong-un" and yes with your barrel, it probably shouldn't of got past QC, and I'm sure given the chance a replacement would do very well. Out of the box. Mine shoots fine (and will i hope be even smoother and better when i get it back) as do those ive used at my club. Ive also replaced the BSA shroud and mod with a Hugget set which really tones it down even more, but perhaps not as much as yours.
Yes put modern Pic rails on it and it would of ticked every box but there are pic rail converters out there to fit BSAs rail size (and they are well made too)
Great to see a totally honest and non biased review here tho makes a change.
thank you and thanks for taking the time to comment 😀 all our views and opinions are ours and we don't try to sway people, just say what we think and feel about the gun we have, i do think the r12 we had was a Friday gun and i know they are not all like it 😀 it did end up being a very nice gun to shoot and very accurate and the new owner is over the moon so it's all good 😀 we will do another bsa at some point so i am sure we will have a better time with that one👍
IMO the manufacturer must be made aware of ANY issue because at the end of the day it is ultimately their neck on the chopping block if not corrected.Fix it yourself or send it back….either way they must be made aware of all issues or they will continue to happen.🤷♂️😉
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I think BSA are well aware of most of the problems we had
BSA are turning out some right Friday afternoon dogs !!!!,along with Weihrauch for the price point very very poor.🇬🇧☹️
For the price BSA want for this rifle the issues with the barrel, chambering and pellet probe are appalling! Its out of the box accuracy is a joke. Some years ago I bought a new FAC R10SE and it was equally as bad as well as having a "sticky" bolt and an inconsistent regulator. It went back to BSA and came back no better. The only thing they appeared to have done was pump a load of silicon grease around the bolt. Swapped if for a AA S510 (FAC) for around the same price which was streets ahead in both accuracy and consistency without any adjustment or modification. I also have a cheap Chinese sub 12 Snowpeak P35 which cost less than half the R12 and out of the box was, and still is, far better than this. If this is the standard of workmanship BSA are selling for £1,200 then the answer to the question is a resounding NO, you should not buy one. Would you buy a new car and expect to have to take it to a workshop and modify it just to get the engine to run properly? I think not!
the QC on this one was not good that's for sure the gun was very disappointing out of the box
That was a great video really informative honest and to the point no waffling thanks for that 👍
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Gratz to the shop. Nice to hear good customer service.
CSS air spot on great customer service
Another really interesting and informative video 👍🏻
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Great modificationS and honest overall review👍🏼
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Another great video Jeff, and sum up. im not a bsa luver being honest, there just seems so much they could do better but dont, just my own personal opinion, but to the bsa lovers good for you, Thanks again Jeff for these informative and educational videos , Cheers 😁😁👌👌👌👌👍👍👍👍👍👍
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A gorgeous looking rifle and your engineering skills made the rifle what it should have been when it came out of the factory. I’ve always had a soft spot for BSA on account of the Airsporter I had as a teenager in the 60’s but then the HW35 appeared on the scene and German engineering put everything else in the shade. A few years ago I bought a new BSA and had the legendary John Bowkett “blue print” it as an FAC in .177 - it was an awesome performer after he worked on it but I keep hearing stories of quality control issues and only a few days ago a chap walked into my usual gun shop with exactly this model - it had magazine issues but this guy, who it transpired was a retired engineer, explained with the aid of a micrometer exactly what the failings were. What a pity that BSA is not synonymous with engineering execellence or at least adequate QC to make sure these guns never leave the factory🤷♂️.
thanks for watching yes the QC seems to have been missed on our gun 😀
stunning work mate . think some of the mods should be from the factory in my opinion but of course it’s how i like a rifle to look not every one’s cup of tea . you have to take your hat off to the surplus store there customer service is second to none . all my dealings with them they really do look for a solution. i thought my red wolf was slightly over powered and straight away they said bring it back and we will sort it out. it wasn’t next time i tested it i realised i had set the pellet weight wrong on the crono 😵💫😵💫 rookie mistake
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Good video sir,my opinion is that not everyone can work on their guns like you do and for the price they shouldn't have to. Is there a rifle out there out of the box that doesn't need fixed? Anyway I really enjoy your videos 👍
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such a good looking rifle to pretty for hunting, It's why I went for the Commander xr.
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glad your one ended up ok in the end, the one i got is still a piece of junk 25mm group at 30 meters is acceptable according to bsa
yes lots think that 1in at 30mts is ok not for me
BSA have a track record for consistent manufacturing quality. Good job this less than perfect example fell to you. Your expertise is amazing. Would I buy one ? Yes please. Just subbed. Thank you so.
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I agree with you bsa are lagging behind they should add a pickatiny rail
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Purchased this rifle 2 weeks ago and love it. The metal bottle does not bother me, had no problems with the magazines and shoots more accurate than I can. I put a 48 shot string through the chrono and got a standard deviation of 2.4 with HN Baracuda FT pellets. I also have a HW100 KT and for me they are both superb.
that's great you have a good one that's how they should be not how our one was that's for sure 👍
Thanks, I feel very lucky. My BSA and HW are both superb, they had to be great out the box because I don’t have your skills to do anything to them. Your work and vids are great.
Mine ended up back at the shop. .22 walnut. Too many problems.
Going for the air arms ultimate spotter r next ✌🏻
Sorry have to add, this also went back too bsa twice to be sorted. All manufacturer problems.
it's a real shame they can be a great gun but the AA is a great gun so i think you will be happy
Hello Sir,
I enjoyed your video and listening to you very much. Thank you. To me, you are a genius in what you do, make and alter to improve overall function, and performance.
If I may speak about the steel and carbon fibre bottles, please? The rifle comes with the black, steel air bottle, though most people were annoyed the rifle hadn't been fitted with a carbon fibre version.
I understand the carbon fibre bottles have a lifespan, so they will need to be renewed every so often. As I understand, the steel bottles will generally last indefinitely.
I'm not sure about specific costs, though the carbon fibre bottles are quite a few pounds. They offer a an improved shot count, and I would say look much better.
However, the steel bottles have a fair shot count, and to me, they look very well.
With great respect, I think there'll be people that look at the cost of a new carbon fibre bottle, then decide to stay with what they have. I haven't decided yet, though I don't like the idea of the carbon fibre air bottle having a lifespan at that price.
All that said, I absolutely love my BSA R12 CLX PRO. It's just fantastic with absolutely no issues what so ever. Thank you.
Interesting to here your view and mods you did, they made a real difference
yes it turned in to a nice gun but as i say in the vid i think we were unlucky with this one
Another cracking video with honest thoughts
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Enjoy your videos as usual i have found that most shops etc once they got your money they will do there best not to take back, it's always your fault, try new pellets is always the first, even the manufacturer, will ignore you i been called a troll but i always give fair criticism,and when you spend your money you expect them to abide the gaurretee, I do in my business 👍
this is why we use the crawley surplus store no problems with them at all
Great vid very detailed .. sadly these rifles are way outside my price range 😂 . Though I would love to see what you would do to my ata airbourne.
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You are amazing my friend with your knowledge. I wish you were my friend living close to me to do your magic on my guns. Can you please tell me your honest opinion what you think about the EDGUN R3M.
thank you 😀 the R3m is built like a tank in a good way a bit agricultural in use but a good gun only problems i have seen is the firing valve can give trouble on some
@sub12airgunners can you explain what you mean by the firing valve giving problams please. You mean the valve stem.
@@JohnVentarino-ey5ln the firing valve wears and starts to give inconsistency in shots i have replaced a couple you can get a kit valve pin ,spring and o rings
This seems to be happening more often. The fx panthera you had was the same it would have been interesting to see if it was just the rifles you got or if it was all the rifles. Most of us don't have the machinery or knowledge to fix an inaccurate rifle
yes we hit a bit of bad luck we had the FX and the BSA after such a good run of guns
Another superb and informative video so thank you...
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Probably the only fully working one 😂 sold mine but if I were to buy another, it would be yours. nice job matey. 👍🏻
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Great review, thumbs upp 👍No i won't buy one. Just an other Gamo with Gamo quality since they took over.
Nice one i have shot some great gamo's
@@sub12airgunners Strange, i have never shot great Gamo's, just repaired bad ones. The last one was that overpriced wannabee HW77/97 called CF-X underlever with bend spring and blown out gaskets from that pellet skirt deforming rotating breech. Had to strip the whole rifle to replace those seals and o-rings. Now they have re-introduced that crap again. Maybe i'm unfair because i'm spoiled with my HW's but if you have to print a lot of fancy words like bone collector or Swarm Magnum Pro 10X GEN3i and high pellet velocities only possible with alloy pellets on a box to impress buyers to buy plastic than you know it's crap.
@@rapalaron6348 down the range we have a Gamo fox that is spot on shoots as good as anything
I've recently added the R12 cayenne. Despite many peoples experiences, mine is exceedingly accurate, able to put pellet on pellet when im om song, shooting off a rokstad tripod at 30metres and the magazines with the better o rings are faultless.
I bought mine after watching this hoping it was a minority QA issue and it seems it was.
BSA shoukd be better then to have these issues but thankfully when they work, they really work.
Yes i got contacted by a lot of people having the same issues as me which is a real shame but i also got contacted by people that had good ones which is great i am glad you got a good one as you say when they are good they are good
Great vid as always.
So will this be a keeper or a seller ?
it's gone already 😁 we have to move them on to pay for the next one unfortunately but it is a good gun and i would happily of kept it if i could 😁
Well in pressed good job again you know your stuff
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Even with its problems it is a stunning looking gun.
I’ve got two supertens (mk1) had them forever, my everyday go to gun on the farm and my permissions for years, can’t fault them as work horse, BSA should have moved on seeing as the S10 has been superseded twice but they got stuck in a rut. I also have a few AIr Arms including the S400 Tx200 etc but my HFT competition gun is a custom S400 and that’s the difference, BSA should be on that playing field but they’re not…
Same as that i have two mk1 S10s, never missed a beat. little bull pup is great around barns. Have a couple of rubbish Daystates & the BSAs beat them hand down!
@@kevinparker461 aye, they will👍🏻
they just seem to settle for what works rather than keep improving things so you end up with a gun that's ok when it could be great
@@sub12airgunners aye,spot on
Brilliant video; thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice review and a lovely gun,
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Great video 👍🏼
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I really want one of these over here in thr states
they can be a fantastic gun 😀
@sub12airgunners that's why I want one. Have plenty of the high powered rifles, but there is something about the sub 12 guns that are fun
I just recently purchased a R-10 and after watching this, I had to go check my barrel and wouldn’t you know the same thing about 3 to 5 mm at the end, it looks like the rifling just tapers off to nothing right there I’m wondering is this supposed to be that way?
I do feel a little sorry for a rifle needing this degree of mods to live up to its expected standards... I for one am not able to make all these modifications... I do like the rifles looks and overall length...
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Your videos are a must watch if your in to air rifles. Have you thought of doing a AA s510 ultimate sporter.
thank you, yes the 510 is on the list
@@sub12airgunners can’t wait to watch it as I’ve just bought one. Thanks for the reply 😊👍
Very nice work.
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Whether I should or not is entirely moot as I can't afford one. 😅
yes they are not a budget gun that's for sure
I've got two clx, one is the original first edition
Would never buy another one, numerous problems including the magazine, loose Allen bolts, rust on barrel, loose barrel
Learnt my lesson with bsa
yes that was pretty much our experience like the R10 a great gun when sorted
I like the look of this rifle, but BSA just cant get there issues sorted out , R10 now R12, i will stick with my very reliable and accurate Daystate Huntsman
the huntsman is a fantastic gun i wouldn't swap mine for a bsa 😁
where did you get that carbon shroud and moderator from?
Hi we made it all the is a video of us making it on our channel 👍
Ya don't seem to have much luck with rifles ? The fx was dodgy too or these manufacturers need to sort there quality out ? Not everyone can fix these problems themselves?
yes we had a great run of fantastic rifles then 2 bad ones together
Do you take work on people's rifles? I'd love to have you tune my rifle and add a shroud like the one in the video.
I'm in the Midlands.
Hi thanks for watching, sorry we don't do any work on peoples guns
Only thing that spoils it is that cheekpiece imhp
Yes it's very subjective thing but i know what you mean 😀
just been bequeathed this rifle , its off to ratworks for a tune asap as it owes me nothing
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@@sub12airgunners The Ratworks have worked wonders , now almost pellet on pellet at 30m outside. Looks like they have done similar work on the crown. It likes pellets over 9 grains
The .22 mags had the issue, 177 not so.
I think your find it's the other way round. I see people having more problems with the .177 mags.
@@markmdusty3 hmm, I don’t own one so I can’t say from experience, but, the reviews I’ve seen have been the .22 mags giving problems…..?🤔🤷♂️
Had a .177 Ultra CLX and had the pellet issue,got shot of it because of that reason.
@@Qwcgvv ok, I stand corrected 👍🏻
@@noelwallace5257 I have the .22 and not had any issues and seeing all the messages on the Facebook BSA R12 owners Group it has definitely been more .177 issues.
Do you make a sell this shroud/silencer combo?
Hi no sorry we don't make them to sell
I think BSA need to improve their quality control procedures.
i would agree
Trigger’s broom then really if you’ve had to make many of the parts yourself
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A rifle costing that sort of money shouldn't leave the factory like that,where's the quality control,,and altering and changing things like you did should not be necessary,,BSA have gone downhill over the years and you see it on all the forums with people having problems with a lot of their rifles,not acceptable at all in my eyes.
no it's not good that's for sure
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Сколько длина ствола?
300mm
@@sub12airgunners Сколько у вас стоит такой винтовка?
I won't trust BSA again after I purchased a Firebird and after the first one kept going over 16fb the second started leeking and they didn't want to know.....get it repaired by the original designer they said........
that's not good 😤 they are happy to take the money
BSA hire him 😂
🤣🤣 i think i have burnt that bridge 🤣🤣
From Indonesian Hallo,,nice sir
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Oh well,, sticking to Air Arms ,,
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An utter shame that BSA's quality control is third world. From a once World renowned and respected small arms producer... and motorcycles... this UK company has been unable to keep pace with the higher standards in production demanded by consumers. I am 75 years old, have owned and ridden BSA's, owned and shot their 'rifles' (currently have their Defiant Bullpup Black Pepper, but lament the short commings now commonplace/inherent in their products. It is a sad state of affairs, like me BSA is passed it's sell by date!
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Bsa gone down hill 20 years ago and cannot compete in todays accurate modern day reliable rife designs and most of all quality and quantity control ill never touch one when you can buy off the peg that shoots a 10p groups at 50+yards and no way should you be fixing a new gun thats just ridiculous they did build nice accurate quality rifles 40 years ago!
I had the R10 on its so called MK3 Regulator and was still rubbish, even after pitting in a HUMA AIR reg it still was not much cop, lovely looking rifle but looks are not what you buy them for in the long run. Stay away from them. Not worth the money and you will have to spend money on them again trying to get them right.
Na get your self a s510 ultimate sporter r , you will not be disappointed, having owned the said above rifle in fac spec
yes i like the 510 and out of the box a better bet
The r12 is OK but heavily overpriced
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who cares about edge to edge group size? thats calibre dependant. use proper moa/mil/centre to centre or dont bother. might as well say 5p groups or whatever other mickey mouse channels call them
no i don't think so that's only the 28mm
so more bsa poor quality control it goes on and on and on
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Yea as long as you ant got your hand's on it 😂
Pains me to say it but don’t? for the money you could be a really good air arms s510 ultimate sporter or the S500 HFT , probably the best mid range priced air rifle on the market, ps I’ve been shooting bsa rifles since I was 10 years old 70 now but still hitting 250 17xs couldn’t do that with this bsa , it’s a 10 pence pice rifle at 30 Yards , ok for rats or pigeons, even after a good tune it will not get better ❤️🩹 shame it looks great
i agree and it is a shame