Marcus Ryser I have tenitous usually certain sounds would be obnoxious since my ears ( hearing ) are hyper sensitive. But this is actually not bad quite soothing oddly enough. Lol
How to avoid conspiracy theories: 1) Thoroughly learn how the system in question works or is said to work. 2) Weigh all arguments and counterarguments objectively and without favoritism toward one or the other. 3) Actively look for contradictions and counterarguments in all things, especially the things you believe in. 4) Once a contradiction is spotted, humbly and objectively look for an explanation without making assumptions. If a consistent explanation is not found, then at least one thing is inaccurate. 5) Beware of buzz words such as "exposed" and "cover up." Frankly, if the claim is either too good to be true or too horrible to be believed, it likely isn't and needs to be fact checked.
mic wil You are comparing apples with oranges. Not all absolutes are the same in dimension, quality, etc. Stating all humans die is not as wrong as stating all woman are the same or all conspiracy theorist are dumb. You fail to see the small details that make a huge difference. The important thing here is to get to the truth and make things better.
Who on earth directed this? The framing was awkward, the camera movement jarring and the blocking of the two subjects was bizarre, to say the least. Was this some sort of a poor attempt to put the audience off balance with the topic?
I would say it has to do with that it isn't directly observable. People will often just say if it still snows then there's no climate change or something. I wonder if there's any theory but it seems the less observable a process is the less likely people will believe it. This would go for climate change and evolution. It used to go for flat earth, but now it's hard to deny the earth is round since we have satellite imaging, etc, and how we're taught the earth is round and why at a young age now. And maybe because there's no large community that preaches flat earth theories anymore. The reason we have climate change deniers is that you have an entire political party (the republican party) backed by big oil companies funding think tanks to convince people that climate change is not real. The reason we have people who deny evolution is because Churches preach that God made humans and the earth is only 6,000 years old. But now some Churches are saying that God created the evolutionary process and the earth is actually billions of years old.
Lucy Hunt Because it's a politically backed science. And many people don't believe that the government is very honest about many things, therefore why would they be telling the truth here. Science is always manipulated by the lens/agenda of the one observing. With whatever their foundation is, their scientific conclusion will always reflect it. So you're never getting an honest study of the laws of nature. You're getting someone who clings to their view or agenda and shuts out all other possibilities.
Both of the reasons above, and also because the general populace is implicit in anthropological climate change. For many people, accepting climate change would make them feel guilty and feel like they have to change, and guilt and change are two of the things that humans hate the most.
God that was so painfully stupid. Multiple scientific bodies across multiple countries have independently come to the conclusion that climate change is a real threat. Since all of these countries have different political systems your accusation is simply moronic.
it is so frustrating to argue with a conspiracy theorist, since everything you say, every proof you show is just part of the conspiracy... once you become a conspiracy theorist it's hard to come out
@Chris C the problem with these conspiracy is that there's a lot of truth in them. They're ideas u can easily find in serious political and sociological books, but these theories become extremely oversimplified for the masses
I have heard stories, that conspiracy theorists stopped believing in them when they started studies (economics, mathematic, other social sciences), because they have got more knowledge how the economical/ political etc. systems work and they could see how the conspiracy theories lack of basic understanding and they are based on wrong assumptions.
You know you do you ask him why they dismiss the proofs and ask him if they have any grounds to dismiss it or else they don't have an argument they're just lying it to themselves and their back tonight on the conspiracy themselves. Do you also do you turn their logic against them give them a taste of their own medicine and get them to realize that what they're doing is nothing but folly. It causes more problems than a code for issues they want to allegedly "solve"?.
I tell people all of the time, "Diversity of thought at the table creates the best product." Too many times groups/organizations do not want diversity of thought, which scares me...
Interesting to watch this in August 2020, and see that Sunstein was hopefull that the situation back then, in 2014, was temporary and would get better, and realize that it's 10 times worse now.
kris H. What proof of that do you have? I bet it’s only higher for you because you talk to other people who believe in it more often then the average American
I don’t understand how “needing somewhere to put the blame” would be a reason to start a theory. I mean 99% of the time there is a perfectly “logical” explanation. It just happens that some people see loop holes, or however you’d like to put it
The problem with the audio is that they tried to over edit it, there must have been an unwanted background noise and they tried to remove it and so it goes silent every time they aren't speaking.
+Aaron Cruz But if it isn't a requirement then things will simply turn to what we have now where all the like-minded politicians have gone to one side or the other.
Great video, but it seems like the videographer just purchased a slide and really really wanted to play with the new toy. Hah I'm getting motion sickness just from the constant in and out shots!
Looks like two guys with the same views coming to an even deeper consensus. This interview is almost like a parody of itself from that standpoint. Definitely two very well educated and well spoken individuals. Glad Vox is out there starting conversations like this.
"A conspiracy theory is a belief that important information is being covered up by people in power." How is that not applicable to the standard operating procedure of, not only both political parties, but of most government functions in general? Not simply the continued coordinated efforts by most politicians and government agencies, whether state, local, or federal, but the entire prevailing culture of, if not secrecy, at least obstruction of information and accountability.
This was pretty dismissive of conspiracies. There seems to be a trend to label all conspiracy theories as crazy. Should we all assume no one ever conspires to commit crimes? Should we all accept what the media says at face value? I prefer the truth over a comfortable world view.
No, it was dismissive of conspiracy _theories_. To quote Wikipedia: "The term _conspiracy theory_ has derogatory connotations, suggesting explanations that invoke conspiracies without warrant, often producing imaginary hypotheses that are not true." You can't just take a compound in the linguistic sense and derive its meaning from its constituent parts. That's not how language works. A conspiracy theorist is not just someone who holds a belief that there is a conspiracy. It describes a certain mindset of people who _prefer_ to believe in a conspiracy rather than not believing in one. That's why it's so common to run into people who give you the whole package, starting with climate change and going all the way to "the Jews," not taking the scenic route over Elvis and UFOs only if you're lucky.
***** Oh sorry, I didn't know I was talking to the person who gets to define and decide these things. Why didn't you say so in the first place? I could have saved myself all those so-called "arguments" and this "nuance" that only tends to complicate things that are really quite simple once you get enlightened by the right people. Such as yourself.
***** Ok, so do we know what the kernel of truth is in, say, the Area 51 stuff? Or the flat earth stuff? What about the hollow earth? Can the earth be both hollow _and_ flat? Or the thing where nazis hide on the dark side of the moon and that Hitler is still alive? What about lizard people? Are those actually lizard people or is the government just Ted Cruz wearing a mask? And how can the left gain more control if the world is run by Republican lizard people? Oh this is all very confusing. There are so many things that are called conspiracy theories and therefore must be partially true. Google it, it's insane!
"The best clue to whether you are onto something that is true is the level of the attack by the so called 'intellectual elite'" This roughly translates to: "if smart people tell you you're wrong, you're more likely to be right!" Dunning-Kruger effect on steroids?
It's necessary to do an updated second part of this interview analysing current political situation in the US. Reality sometimes destroy optimism, naivety won't save us from what is going to happen soon, a dark time is coming, all information that can gives society a hint or clue of how to keep critic and reflexive even in complex and passionate situation is absolutely necessary now.Thanks for variety of content, you have interesting stuff here. By the way, the audio of this one is really awful.
Recent paper on climate change denial comes to a similar conclusion. "Climate science denial is therefore perhaps best understood as a rational activity that replaces a coherent body of science with an incoherent and conspiracist body of pseudo-science for political reasons and with considerable political coherence and effectiveness."
Conspiracy theories, at least ones questioning existing things (such as 9/11, not aliens) don't seem too far out in left field for me. A global history of the victors of conflicts writing the history of those conflicts, state preservation, and many other factors provide incentive to entertain possibilities. The level of coincidences that made 9/11 possible should be a college course in and of its self. And the fact that the TSA has not caught a single terrorist yet still gains massive funding and is given the ability to destroy the 4th amendment rights of the people should also be something warranting investigation. If you want people to stop questioning science, stop politicizing it for your own goals of getting elected. I would think that would be obvious to any sane individual, but apparently most career politicians aren't sane. If the debate on global warming was framed in the context of, your children's children will have a harder life if we don't take steps to reduce our impact on our atmosphere, you'd see different reactions. Instead they come up with carbon taxes, carbon credit trading, exemptions, subsidies, and on and on and on. They have now taken a very real and serious problem and hijacked it to serve their political goals, which is beyond disgusting. But for the love of god please stop saying that you want to "save the planet." The planet would still be here if we turned the atmosphere into pure arsine gas, had the surface catch on fire, and burn every rock into a molten wad of death.
+Tombs Clawtooth When it comes to conspiracy theories there's one logical razor that I really love: If the conspiracy has a detrimental effect on extremely powerful people, it's not true. For example, does the US government hold the secret cure to cancer? Well, Steve Jobs died of cancer. So no, the Us government probably doesn't have the secret cure.
I know it sucks but you should have just redone the interview or scrapped it when you noticed the audio came out this way. shouldn't put out inferior quality videos
Also the title is misleading as hell. It should be like "Conspiracies and their effect on politics." Or something more pertaining to the actual conversation.
The basic problem with a conspiracy theorists mindset is that it's not cynical enough. They are rarely cynical about their own cynicism and often don't analyse how the psychology of conspiracy theories actually work. In essence it's ironically quite naive to be into conspiracy theories.
+Random Person asbestos was a known problem since the 20s; it was decades later when industrial giants finally disclosed their disregard for the health of their workers. But your suggestion that I wouldn't know that because I'm "butthurt" confirms you're literally too stupid to educate.
furthermore, I think people believe conspiracy theories because humans LIE. Politicians, especially, LIE. They are called on it on the time. So what do you expect from people. They will come up with all kinds of things trying to find the truth.
I feel so educated after watching this. This wasn't really about conspiracy theories but I still loved where it went towards the end. I feel like I just drank a big glass of knowledge that quenched my thirst and I feel refreshed. Is this what learning is supposed to feel like? I wish school could make me feel like this then maybe I would enjoy it more and get good grades
Did Ezra Klein retreat to a bunker? Audio very obviously was transferred via short wave, the setting is in a small concrete structure. In the background there is the kind of outdated technology you see in bunkers.
Research leads where it always does. Minimal answers if any, and more questions. We can't 'research' if 'they control the web and what we see' 'research is just more crumbs down a path to keep us oblivious to the truth.' There is no truth, the truth is we are missing out on living life.
911 was controlled demolition. Almost 3000 killed on the day. Many suffered a slow torturous death. About 2000 have died from cancer due to breathing nano-thermite and up to 5000 more are yet to die. Controlled demolition has been verified by engineers/scientists across the globe. One of the best videos for truth is titled, *THE ANATOMY OF A GREAT DECEPTION How 9 11 Woke Me Up David Hooper.* This video is careful, scientific and has many many famous/prestigious names,. It is also gentle to those who are indoctrinated by the mainstream media (controlled by elite Jeωs). It is understanding of the mental stress people must endure when realizing that they have been deceived.
4:11 Regarding climate change, “most of us don’t have a concrete detailed sense of the science, we’re just trusting people.” We trust the experts even though we don’t have any idea, or understanding about the science or the methodology used to prove and support any given theory.
Cool video, but this conversation is about why people believe in conspiracy theories, not if belief is rational. Sunstein points out how it can be irrational - the evidence that some hold beliefs in multiple conspiracy theories that are contradictory.
Problem with that: Technocracy is a type of Fascism(itself an obsession with Order, security and stability) as it requires technical experts and centralizes control of information into the hands of corporate entities, Technocracy only lost fans in the 1930s as Corporatism/Fascism gained prominence.
+333999 Blackbeard It's not an excuse, it's just hard to believe in something that you've never experienced. Try to believe for a second that there is a transcendent twin headed Eagle watching over the world. See? Hard, isn't it? About your reference to the light spectrum, well, before we actually discovered it, it sure would've been silly to believe in it.
@Join The Lodge while many things we cant see, hear or in many cases smell or touch either. They can still be measured or evidenced to exist in some manner or another. When you can provide evidence for a creator, I am listening.
Jobanpreet Singh Mutti yea exactly it fell down perfectly and the Pentagon plane literally turned into dust and disappeared and o yea don't forget the random buildings further away falling randomly or the papers the government doesn't want to release or how there weren't any WMD' S or that invading Iraq wasn't about oil
Yet you ignore the fact a significant number of people literally watched the plane crash into the pentagon and it didn't "disappear" there was plenty of wreckage. I mean were all the people that reported seeing this in on the conspiracy? The problem I have with the 9/11 conspiracy is there are so many different ones (remote control planes, holographic planes, actors playing the victims, all the witness were in on it, etc. etc.) there is no way in hell someone involved in that elaborate mess wouldn't have come forward as complicit in it. It is simply beyond reason.
Well I'm watching this in 2022 and I can pretty much say a decade later they predicted a lot of the conspiracy theories that were talked about on this program
The jet fuel didn't melt the steel beams. The impact severed some beams, and blasted away the fire protecting covering from others. The intense fires alone did not result in the beams "bending", but combined with the extra loads they were then supporting some beams failed. This started a cascade failure. The exposed beams in the second building hit were bearing more weight, so they failed first. You can test this principle yourself. Take 8 identical candles. Place 4 in such a way as they can support the weight of a brick. Place the other 4 in the same configuration. Place both simple constructions into a third, a box with one glass side for viewing. Sounds complicated? It's not. It can be built from scrap & some sealant and tape. Increase the temperature inside the box. If you paint the box black, this can be done by simply placing the box outside on a sunny day. The candles with the brick on top will always, 100% of the time, collapse first.
man... at first i "kinda got what he meant" but than he started to loosing me. after I've seen the whole video, i downloaded the paper he is talkin about and read just a few pages (will finish it later though) i decided to google him so i clicked on wikipedia link. i agree that wikipedia is far from the most reliable source, but it is still help full to do really basic "pre" research to "get the main idea" and... well, just check the results - search the Harvard lawyer on wikipedia!
Why do people believe anecdotal evidence without realizing anecdotal evidence isn't evidence but completely ignore actual facts and statistics? Because we believe "being right" makes us some sort of heroic saint and can't believe we could be wrong about anything.
Interesting video, and very well explained! Even for someone who regularly reads political news, I find this channel to be refreshing in how they break concepts down into easy-to-grasp pieces.
I'm usually against the death penalty, but in the case of this audio guy, i'm willing to make an exception.
what makes it so terrible? Doesn't seem that bad to me.
Noise in the low frequencies while the two are speaking. You might need to turn up your volume to hear it.
Marcus Ryser I have tenitous usually certain sounds would be obnoxious since my ears ( hearing ) are hyper sensitive. But this is actually not bad quite soothing oddly enough. Lol
I'm all for death penalty.
It sounds like somebody is scooting a filing cabinet in the background.
How to avoid conspiracy theories:
1) Thoroughly learn how the system in question works or is said to work.
2) Weigh all arguments and counterarguments objectively and without favoritism toward one or the other.
3) Actively look for contradictions and counterarguments in all things, especially the things you believe in.
4) Once a contradiction is spotted, humbly and objectively look for an explanation without making assumptions. If a consistent explanation is not found, then at least one thing is inaccurate.
5) Beware of buzz words such as "exposed" and "cover up." Frankly, if the claim is either too good to be true or too horrible to be believed, it likely isn't and needs to be fact checked.
doodelay Thank you for being the voice of reason.
5) Be aware of buzz words and phrases meant to make non-credible claims seem credible. Such as "well of cours they would say that"
+SonofSethoitae course*
***** indeed, words like "exposed" belong on their too
I would agree but one of the biggest buzz words is 'conspiracy theory'.
Believing in all conspiracy theories is as stupid as not believing in any. Usually reallity resides in the middle of extremes.
I agree with this sentiment.
What's somewhat illogical is you just gave an absolute statement on absolutism and it's about how being absolute is inherently stupid...
mic wil You are comparing apples with oranges. Not all absolutes are the same in dimension, quality, etc. Stating all humans die is not as wrong as stating all woman are the same or all conspiracy theorist are dumb. You fail to see the small details that make a huge difference. The important thing here is to get to the truth and make things better.
All conspiracy theories are extremes
Jack Jackson that statement is an extreme
Who on earth directed this? The framing was awkward, the camera movement jarring and the blocking of the two subjects was bizarre, to say the least.
Was this some sort of a poor attempt to put the audience off balance with the topic?
This is one of Vox's first videos, they were obviously inexperienced and tight on budget at the time.
Walrusberg You don't need a whole lot of experience or money to shoot a video properly.
Is that a conspiracy theory 🤔
I was wondering the same thing 🤔
highdough You say you don't need experience, but if you look at the stuff that high schoolers typically make… yeah
Was this broadcasted via AM radio?
No, they just have a REALLY loud A/C system in that building.
Miguel Luna, it's an old video. Probably from when Vox first started.
Please, AM radio has a constant background fuzz rather than a fuzzy echo
Lmap
I can't with those jeans.
lol I wasn't gonna say anything!
Max A. Says the guy with no subject in his sentence.
+Chase Wulff well done haha
Max A. get wrecked m8
This comment made me chuckle 😂
This is exactly the kind of video the lizard people would upload.
you mean the left handed people who keep stealing presidency and are lizards from the center of our earth?
+pine cone no the right handed people
Grizzly ER all lefties are reptilians. hey woke.
+pine cone
If you are seeing humans as reptiles, I'd recommend you seek medical help as soon as humanly possible.
+pine cone i hope youre talking about democrats and republicans
Why is climate change considered so unbelievable?
I would say it has to do with that it isn't directly observable. People will often just say if it still snows then there's no climate change or something.
I wonder if there's any theory but it seems the less observable a process is the less likely people will believe it. This would go for climate change and evolution. It used to go for flat earth, but now it's hard to deny the earth is round since we have satellite imaging, etc, and how we're taught the earth is round and why at a young age now. And maybe because there's no large community that preaches flat earth theories anymore.
The reason we have climate change deniers is that you have an entire political party (the republican party) backed by big oil companies funding think tanks to convince people that climate change is not real.
The reason we have people who deny evolution is because Churches preach that God made humans and the earth is only 6,000 years old. But now some Churches are saying that God created the evolutionary process and the earth is actually billions of years old.
Lucy Hunt Because it's a politically backed science. And many people don't believe that the government is very honest about many things, therefore why would they be telling the truth here. Science is always manipulated by the lens/agenda of the one observing. With whatever their foundation is, their scientific conclusion will always reflect it. So you're never getting an honest study of the laws of nature. You're getting someone who clings to their view or agenda and shuts out all other possibilities.
Both of the reasons above, and also because the general populace is implicit in anthropological climate change. For many people, accepting climate change would make them feel guilty and feel like they have to change, and guilt and change are two of the things that humans hate the most.
God that was so painfully stupid. Multiple scientific bodies across multiple countries have independently come to the conclusion that climate change is a real threat. Since all of these countries have different political systems your accusation is simply moronic.
Damian Louden they r all contolled by the oligarchs...
it is so frustrating to argue with a conspiracy theorist, since everything you say, every proof you show is just part of the conspiracy... once you become a conspiracy theorist it's hard to come out
@Chris C the problem with these conspiracy is that there's a lot of truth in them. They're ideas u can easily find in serious political and sociological books, but these theories become extremely oversimplified for the masses
Ever wondered why conspiracy theorists are so successful or why they never come back?
I have heard stories, that conspiracy theorists stopped believing in them when they started studies (economics, mathematic, other social sciences), because they have got more knowledge how the economical/ political etc. systems work and they could see how the conspiracy theories lack of basic understanding and they are based on wrong assumptions.
@@raimundematiusaityte9929 What stories were these? If you post things like this you must be specific, and give examples and sources.
You know you do you ask him why they dismiss the proofs and ask him if they have any grounds to dismiss it or else they don't have an argument they're just lying it to themselves and their back tonight on the conspiracy themselves. Do you also do you turn their logic against them give them a taste of their own medicine and get them to realize that what they're doing is nothing but folly. It causes more problems than a code for issues they want to allegedly "solve"?.
Why is everyone complaining about the quality?
ikr
Something to do I guess
The audio is god awful.
Sit For Your Rights I know I couldn't focus, it sounded like someone was running a dryer full of shoes in the background
At 6:57 somebody pops open a can.... i couldn't deal.
A show like this should really be just a podcast.
Sally K i think they decided on this format because it's a lot more engaging and familiar as a format. At least that's how i personally feel
there is a podcast. It's called the Ezra Klein Show. You can find it on Itunes and Spotify.
Anthuan Leyva thanks! this is very helpful. youtube stlll doesn't play in the background on a phone.
Sally K it does for me^^
The sneeze at 0:42 killed me 😂😂
Jessica Ong OMG I DIDN'T EVEN CATCH THAT
I tell people all of the time, "Diversity of thought at the table creates the best product." Too many times groups/organizations do not want diversity of thought, which scares me...
Exactly.
Interesting to watch this in August 2020, and see that Sunstein was hopefull that the situation back then, in 2014, was temporary and would get better, and realize that it's 10 times worse now.
Right?
who the hell this kid think he is wearing blue jeans like this
Chuck Norris
He is cute enough to wear whatever he wants
wow! so, an interview with a brilliant professor from Harvard and our take-away is "what's up with the blue jeans"???
Chris Lynn yes. He may be intelligent in some areas but he’s not very stylish.
the audio was kinda muffy
anyone else experienced this?
Yes
Chris Qiao 100% the audio on the video is terrible
Not at all bro
Only 11% believe the 9/11 conspiracy? I'm surprised.
It could be more like 9/11 people believe :O
Diego Rodrigues that percent is actually much higher.
Diego Rodrigues it's higher than 11%
kris H. What proof of that do you have? I bet it’s only higher for you because you talk to other people who believe in it more often then the average American
If you do the math that's actually a lot okay
I don’t understand how “needing somewhere to put the blame” would be a reason to start a theory. I mean 99% of the time there is a perfectly “logical” explanation. It just happens that some people see loop holes, or however you’d like to put it
Damn Vox you're microphone sucks.
+origindirewolf And I just farted.
+origindirewolf DAAAAMMMMM DANIAAAALL
The problem with the audio is that they tried to over edit it, there must have been an unwanted background noise and they tried to remove it and so it goes silent every time they aren't speaking.
I love this idea of making balance a requirement, its why having friends with differing opinions is important
It should never be a requirement, though.
+Aaron Cruz But if it isn't a requirement then things will simply turn to what we have now where all the like-minded politicians have gone to one side or the other.
WobblyBits_X If it is a requirement, majority opinion will lose its political power. Bad for democracy.
Well put.
What's wrong with the sound in this video? There's hella background noise and the conversation is obviously chopped up and put back together.
This is rather depressing to watch in 2018 knowing it was filmed about 4 years before what we are dealing with now. Yikes Batman.
Along comes 2020
"Hold my beer."
lilalienangel Lol! (Face palm)
How's it feelin these days?
I thought I was going nuts. I'm glad I wasn't the only one to be so affected by the audio.
Whoever popped a soda can at 6:56 is going to hell.
Was it you?
Great video, but it seems like the videographer just purchased a slide and really really wanted to play with the new toy. Hah I'm getting motion sickness just from the constant in and out shots!
Looks like two guys with the same views coming to an even deeper consensus. This interview is almost like a parody of itself from that standpoint. Definitely two very well educated and well spoken individuals. Glad Vox is out there starting conversations like this.
Las Vegan Productions this guy is a Harvard professor with empirical research
Anna Che Thank you for this random statement of fact. Allow me to reply with a random fact of my own:
"The gravitational constant on earth is 9.81"
fucking clean up your audio. I don't want to listen to clothes rustling
That soda can popping? That was weird.
Heard a sneeze! lol (at 00:42)
"A conspiracy theory is a belief that important information is being covered up by people in power."
How is that not applicable to the standard operating procedure of, not only both political parties, but of most government functions in general? Not simply the continued coordinated efforts by most politicians and government agencies, whether state, local, or federal, but the entire prevailing culture of, if not secrecy, at least obstruction of information and accountability.
This was pretty dismissive of conspiracies. There seems to be a trend to label all conspiracy theories as crazy. Should we all assume no one ever conspires to commit crimes? Should we all accept what the media says at face value? I prefer the truth over a comfortable world view.
No, it was dismissive of conspiracy _theories_. To quote Wikipedia: "The term _conspiracy theory_ has derogatory connotations, suggesting explanations that invoke conspiracies without warrant, often producing imaginary hypotheses that are not true."
You can't just take a compound in the linguistic sense and derive its meaning from its constituent parts. That's not how language works. A conspiracy theorist is not just someone who holds a belief that there is a conspiracy. It describes a certain mindset of people who _prefer_ to believe in a conspiracy rather than not believing in one. That's why it's so common to run into people who give you the whole package, starting with climate change and going all the way to "the Jews," not taking the scenic route over Elvis and UFOs only if you're lucky.
***** Oh sorry, I didn't know I was talking to the person who gets to define and decide these things. Why didn't you say so in the first place? I could have saved myself all those so-called "arguments" and this "nuance" that only tends to complicate things that are really quite simple once you get enlightened by the right people. Such as yourself.
***** Ok, so do we know what the kernel of truth is in, say, the Area 51 stuff? Or the flat earth stuff? What about the hollow earth? Can the earth be both hollow _and_ flat? Or the thing where nazis hide on the dark side of the moon and that Hitler is still alive? What about lizard people? Are those actually lizard people or is the government just Ted Cruz wearing a mask? And how can the left gain more control if the world is run by Republican lizard people? Oh this is all very confusing. There are so many things that are called conspiracy theories and therefore must be partially true. Google it, it's insane!
***** I was attacking the whole time but I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
"The best clue to whether you are onto something that is true is the level of the attack by the so called 'intellectual elite'"
This roughly translates to: "if smart people tell you you're wrong, you're more likely to be right!"
Dunning-Kruger effect on steroids?
It's necessary to do an updated second part of this interview analysing current political situation in the US. Reality sometimes destroy optimism, naivety won't save us from what is going to happen soon, a dark time is coming, all information that can gives society a hint or clue of how to keep critic and reflexive even in complex and passionate situation is absolutely necessary now.Thanks for variety of content, you have interesting stuff here. By the way, the audio of this one is really awful.
Welcome to 2021. What do you think now?
Recent paper on climate change denial comes to a similar conclusion.
"Climate science denial is therefore perhaps best understood as a rational activity that replaces a coherent body of science with an incoherent and conspiracist body of pseudo-science for political reasons and with considerable political coherence and effectiveness."
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i am a conservative and i have to say that i love vox's content
lmfao this audio is way overcompressed pls sort yerself out its so distracting... hell interesting content tho tbo 👌👌
WHO ALWAYS seems to BENEFIT and WHO aren't you allowed to criticize.
A clue, they wear small hats!!
Conspiracy theories, at least ones questioning existing things (such as 9/11, not aliens) don't seem too far out in left field for me. A global history of the victors of conflicts writing the history of those conflicts, state preservation, and many other factors provide incentive to entertain possibilities. The level of coincidences that made 9/11 possible should be a college course in and of its self. And the fact that the TSA has not caught a single terrorist yet still gains massive funding and is given the ability to destroy the 4th amendment rights of the people should also be something warranting investigation.
If you want people to stop questioning science, stop politicizing it for your own goals of getting elected. I would think that would be obvious to any sane individual, but apparently most career politicians aren't sane.
If the debate on global warming was framed in the context of, your children's children will have a harder life if we don't take steps to reduce our impact on our atmosphere, you'd see different reactions. Instead they come up with carbon taxes, carbon credit trading, exemptions, subsidies, and on and on and on. They have now taken a very real and serious problem and hijacked it to serve their political goals, which is beyond disgusting.
But for the love of god please stop saying that you want to "save the planet." The planet would still be here if we turned the atmosphere into pure arsine gas, had the surface catch on fire, and burn every rock into a molten wad of death.
***** Then of course... There was the whole spraying of towns with radioactive fluids.
+Tombs Clawtooth When it comes to conspiracy theories there's one logical razor that I really love: If the conspiracy has a detrimental effect on extremely powerful people, it's not true. For example, does the US government hold the secret cure to cancer? Well, Steve Jobs died of cancer. So no, the Us government probably doesn't have the secret cure.
+Jason Holtkamp and if the goverment had the cure for cancer why would they give it to steve jobs?
Douglas Kline Because he was a multi billionaire and would have had the resources to easily influence government for his own benefit
Jason Holtkamp when you get to that level money dont matter anymore
I know it sucks but you should have just redone the interview or scrapped it when you noticed the audio came out this way. shouldn't put out inferior quality videos
Jeans and a tuxedo jacket...
John Smith just be thankful he’s not wearing a small fedora too.
I miss this series. (Minus all of the zooms and camera movements. Just keep it still, man.)
That camera man was really so thirsty that he couldnt wait until between takes to open that soda can? lol
Very good conversation I love when you have longer videos like this !!!
Also the title is misleading as hell. It should be like "Conspiracies and their effect on politics." Or something more pertaining to the actual conversation.
Yeah! The title says it's rational to believe, yet they mostly explain, perhaps by accident, how irrational it is.
The basic problem with a conspiracy theorists mindset is that it's not cynical enough. They are rarely cynical about their own cynicism and often don't analyse how the psychology of conspiracy theories actually work. In essence it's ironically quite naive to be into conspiracy theories.
Cass Sunstein is with the lizard people.
+Hashim Kazmi he's with the argonians!?!?!
Multiple insiders have found "The Lusty Argonian Maid" in his search history.
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Gotta love Morrowind. The best of the series..
I'm a conspiracy researcher. Find your own truth. Be a critical thinker. Follow your heart. In God we trust, all others bring data.
Who let the intern handle the audio?
She used that computer on the shelf at 0:19 to process the sound - it was advanced for its time (1990)
Would be interesting to see a follow up video to this in this day and age.
I do
next time a conspiracy theorist tries to tell you "what really happened," present a more outlandish theory and accuse them of covering up the truth.
I'm sure you've heard this one, I love it: "The moon landing never happened." "What? You believe there's a moon?"
@@davidfortier6976 its more like
"Jeffery ep killed himself"
Yeah if top government weren't so shady, people wouldn't freak out so much.
great video, but I don't like the title.
Fire the camera man. The cropping and shot movements are painful to watch.
Maybe a 4th reason for conspiracy theories is because such theories have been revealed as truths so many times in the past?
+C Cabral People are not coherent sadly -_-
+C Cabral like the people who were so sure the world was going to end in 2012?
+Clarence Lam (Clarevoyance) that wasn't a conspiracy though, just a misguided prophecy.
+Random Person Um... Iran Contra, Kristallnacht, Gulf of Tonkin, 1919 World Series, the Asbestos coverup. Should I keep going?
+Random Person asbestos was a known problem since the 20s; it was decades later when industrial giants finally disclosed their disregard for the health of their workers. But your suggestion that I wouldn't know that because I'm "butthurt" confirms you're literally too stupid to educate.
Anyone else hear something up with the sound?
is it me or did they get off the topic?
furthermore, I think people believe conspiracy theories because humans LIE. Politicians, especially, LIE. They are called on it on the time. So what do you expect from people. They will come up with all kinds of things trying to find the truth.
*2014:* "I feel a little more optimistic."
*Two years later:* That statement didn't age well.
Please clean up the audio & re-post.
That was a great discussion.
i wish i could ask this guy, what he makes of conspiracy theories that turn out to be true. to be sure there are not many of them, but there are some.
I feel so educated after watching this. This wasn't really about conspiracy theories but I still loved where it went towards the end. I feel like I just drank a big glass of knowledge that quenched my thirst and I feel refreshed. Is this what learning is supposed to feel like? I wish school could make me feel like this then maybe I would enjoy it more and get good grades
Coming back to this for the 5G conspiracy theories
Looks like you're SOL..
Did Ezra Klein retreat to a bunker? Audio very obviously was transferred via short wave, the setting is in a small concrete structure. In the background there is the kind of outdated technology you see in bunkers.
Adrenochrome.
There's a topic to research.
Research leads where it always does. Minimal answers if any, and more questions. We can't 'research' if 'they control the web and what we see' 'research is just more crumbs down a path to keep us oblivious to the truth.'
There is no truth, the truth is we are missing out on living life.
Dear Vox, I want to hear more on this topic!
Next time, PLEASE get a more competent sound engineer!
Still a very interesting interview.
I was enjoying it but the audio is too scratchy
911 was controlled demolition. Almost 3000 killed on the day. Many suffered a slow torturous death. About 2000 have died from cancer due to breathing nano-thermite and up to 5000 more are yet to die. Controlled demolition has been verified by engineers/scientists across the globe.
One of the best videos for truth is titled, *THE ANATOMY OF A GREAT DECEPTION How 9 11 Woke Me Up David Hooper.* This video is careful, scientific and has many many famous/prestigious names,. It is also gentle to those who are indoctrinated by the mainstream media (controlled by elite Jeωs). It is understanding of the mental stress people must endure when realizing that they have been deceived.
It's as if conspiracy theorists want people to live in fear.
NOT SO, nor logical.
I would thumb this one up if it weren't for the audio.
I feel like 80% of this was about politics and had nothing to do with conspiracy theories.
4:11 Regarding climate change, “most of us don’t have a concrete detailed sense of the science, we’re just trusting people.” We trust the experts even though we don’t have any idea, or understanding about the science or the methodology used to prove and support any given theory.
I uploaded a video recently on Moon landing denial. Evidence and ridicule is all you need! 😂
I can't listen to this because of the background noise. is there a transcript?
suit top+tie+jeans? sort it out mate.
Cheese on Toast chomsky honk
Cool video, but this conversation is about why people believe in conspiracy theories, not if belief is rational. Sunstein points out how it can be irrational - the evidence that some hold beliefs in multiple conspiracy theories that are contradictory.
Technocracy all the way. It wouldn't work as a system without politicians, but I definitely think more respect should be given to the Civil Service.
Problem with that: Technocracy is a type of Fascism(itself an obsession with Order, security and stability) as it requires technical experts and centralizes control of information into the hands of corporate entities, Technocracy only lost fans in the 1930s as Corporatism/Fascism gained prominence.
All these people complaining about the audio...spoiled much?
Could probably consider religions to be conspiracy theories. . .
+333999 Blackbeard It's not an excuse, it's just hard to believe in something that you've never experienced. Try to believe for a second that there is a transcendent twin headed Eagle watching over the world. See? Hard, isn't it? About your reference to the light spectrum, well, before we actually discovered it, it sure would've been silly to believe in it.
@Join The Lodge while many things we cant see, hear or in many cases smell or touch either. They can still be measured or evidenced to exist in some manner or another. When you can provide evidence for a creator, I am listening.
Wouldn't the religions themselves be the conspiracies?
Yevrah Hipstar OMG
Or sadly, the other way round.
This topic should probably be revisited at this point.
the 9/11 theory is actually not that weird if you take your time and think about how 2 aeroplanes took down 3 buildings
Jobanpreet Singh Mutti yea exactly it fell down perfectly and the Pentagon plane literally turned into dust and disappeared and o yea don't forget the random buildings further away falling randomly or the papers the government doesn't want to release or how there weren't any WMD' S or that invading Iraq wasn't about oil
Yet you ignore the fact a significant number of people literally watched the plane crash into the pentagon and it didn't "disappear" there was plenty of wreckage. I mean were all the people that reported seeing this in on the conspiracy? The problem I have with the 9/11 conspiracy is there are so many different ones (remote control planes, holographic planes, actors playing the victims, all the witness were in on it, etc. etc.) there is no way in hell someone involved in that elaborate mess wouldn't have come forward as complicit in it. It is simply beyond reason.
the topic is interesting and engaging but the audio problems and the production distracts
I can't stop looking at the dude on the right's stain on his collar.
Well I'm watching this in 2022 and I can pretty much say a decade later they predicted a lot of the conspiracy theories that were talked about on this program
Love it or hate it Wikileaks was never ever wrong once lol
The biggest selling point is that, statistically, some are going to end up being true.
+Jobanpreet
Most likely.
But jet fuel can't melt steel beams
The jet fuel didn't melt the steel beams.
The impact severed some beams, and blasted away the fire protecting covering from others. The intense fires alone did not result in the beams "bending", but combined with the extra loads they were then supporting some beams failed. This started a cascade failure.
The exposed beams in the second building hit were bearing more weight, so they failed first.
You can test this principle yourself. Take 8 identical candles. Place 4 in such a way as they can support the weight of a brick. Place the other 4 in the same configuration. Place both simple constructions into a third, a box with one glass side for viewing.
Sounds complicated? It's not. It can be built from scrap & some sealant and tape. Increase the temperature inside the box. If you paint the box black, this can be done by simply placing the box outside on a sunny day.
The candles with the brick on top will always, 100% of the time, collapse first.
Pet gruel can't make meal dreams.
David Keenan
shape charges were set. listen to the explosions just before the buildings (including #7) were "demolished".
Wtc 7 wasn't hit by a plane
Vox is like the non-crazy version of Vice
this sounds like religion to me...
well it's the opposite actually.
Yeah, unlike religion, conspiracy theories turn out to be true every once in a while.
I could have gotten better audio recording from a Nintendo DS Lite
Oh that would make for a good video. I'd watch, like, subscribe and stuff. Your channel?
It sounds like someone is playing drums in the background whenever they're talking.
What's up with the audio? Sounds like an intern tried to do noise cancellation without much experience with it
Time to update this. It's nearly 2021 and we've just gone through the wringer here!
I would love to see what this man has to say about the present day.
it is human nature to keep secret from each other as long as you have three people in a room , there will be conspiracy.
He was very very vague about these "gardens". It would be very powerful to have such a list.
Good point. I would love to see more examples of these.
man... at first i "kinda got what he meant" but than he started to loosing me.
after I've seen the whole video, i downloaded the paper he is talkin about and read just a few pages (will finish it later though) i decided to google him so i clicked on wikipedia link. i agree that wikipedia is far from the most reliable source, but it is still help full to do really basic "pre" research to "get the main idea" and... well, just check the results - search the Harvard lawyer on wikipedia!
Because we know awful horrible people do awful horrible things.
Why do people believe anecdotal evidence without realizing anecdotal evidence isn't evidence but completely ignore actual facts and statistics? Because we believe "being right" makes us some sort of heroic saint and can't believe we could be wrong about anything.
Interesting video, and very well explained! Even for someone who regularly reads political news, I find this channel to be refreshing in how they break concepts down into easy-to-grasp pieces.
I'm trying to find the sources that you are referring to so that I can read further, could you link them? Or are they all cited in his book?