Simple Mixing HACK to AVOID ORANGE PEEL!
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2022
- In this Episode I share a trick bodyshops have been using for years to lay down beautiful finishes!
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I've been adding reducer to my clear for years and years. It really does help the clear lay flat.
Use slow activator so it has time to flow out and flatten out
@Chase Williams Its just the regular reducer you use with your basecoat. Just like he shows in the video it only takes a small amount and make sure you use the right temp rating, especially if your not in a climate controlled booth. He explains it perfectly in the video.
@Chase Williams not sure but can also purchase clear that has less solids ...the orange peel that does form is easier to buff out
@Chase Williams Reducer works similarly to thinner but with urethane base/clear systems you use reducer that is made to work with it. Thinner is more known for being used with acrylic enamel type paints. I know guys who have used regular thinner with their primer because thinner is cheaper than reducer but I've never personally heard of anyone using thinner with basecoat or clearcoat. Also when I first started painting some of the older guys who had worked with Acrylic enamel before urethane basecoat/clearcoat systems became norm still called the new reducer thinner because that's what they were used to but like I said its actually 2 different things but works similarly for different applications.
@Chase Williams You're correct, reducer is just another name for thinner. So every time you've used thinner, you've used reducer, and vice versa...
Thanks again Brian, my understanding of what the paint and clear coat is actually doing has really improved over the last couple of years watching you. Live long and prosper buddy 🙏
Great tips! Making these changes makes a big difference in your finish.
This is old knowledge to the new ones!! 👌🏼
So humble, I feel blessed! Greetings from Hungary!
That’s my old trick. You did a great job, it looks awesome!
Great tips Brian.. Keep up good works..
I spray outside. I have need adding thinners to my clear for years. Helps me get it smooth and I get a paint booth finish every time. Even spraying outside in the hot sun. No orange peel and I flow coat it saucy !
Years ago all the clears you added reducer. With current voc laws everything changed These high solids clears can be a challenge to spray. I’ve learned just a little reducer can help with that. Awesome video
Hey thanks for this video, just showed it to my class and they loved it!!
A great video Brian thanks for the insight, I will try this next time I spray
Great tip. Thanks for sharing. Love this channel.
Great video Brian. Thanks for the tips Sir
Thank you for all your help
Thank you for these videos. It’s helped me sharpen up my paint game so much
Glad to help
Great info. I always learn something. Thank you
Thank you as always Brain!!
I need to do that. I'm a "newb" painter, self taught by watching UA-cam videos and I almost always have a vehicle covered in orange peel when I'm done
Use slow activator bro ...the slow drying helps give the clear time to flatten out
@@mariocooldude9092 that is my plan from now on
My favorite clear . It’s been on back order since July here in NC .
I like to do first 2 coats, let it sit approx 36 hrs, wetsand with 1500 to remove any surface trash, dust runs, etc. Then set up the clear again for 2 more coats but use reducer as you noted. Turns the now matte sanded and smooth surface into a high quality finish. I like this method cause if these last 2 coats aren't overly heavy, and any dust that does stick at this point will be settling into a rather thin coat of clear and easily buffed out with a light polish in most cases.
Thanks for the great advice brother
Really appreciate your videos. Trying to soak this all in, I've done a few diy panels in the past with decent results out of a spray can, but finally doing a full color change on one of my rides this Spring. Can't wait! Thanks for arming me with extra knowledge Brian, you the man.
Great to hear!
Great information Brian
Thank you bossman for this information
You're the goat brother. 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾. The best teacher on UA-cam
Hey brother. I been watching your channel. Keep it up
great work and tips my friend 👌
Jon Kosmoski did that years ago on the second session of clear after sanding 600p . He called it "flow coat" lol
Perfect class🎉
I think thats what the last person who painted my truck did. It looked nice and smooth, but only lasted 5 years. Started flaking off and peeled. This is why i am watching your channel and re painted my truck.
BASF Glasurit clear is known to have extremely long life....enough for shops to give lifetime warranty
Great tip
Great tips! Don't forget to protect your eyes too!
great video, by adding reducer you are changing the viscosity (thickness) of the clear. The thinner (less viscosity) the clear the less orange peel. but you are flirting with a higher chance of runs and sags. I the TDS there is a suggested viscosity to spray all top coats. To measure this viscosity you have to do a viscosity drip test. To get a perfect job you have to do perfect chemistry. This means not guessing and knowing what your spraying. (for the advanced class) Another educational vid.
Another great tip
Great tip, I was using reducer on the 1st coat too. Now I know better. Thx Brian!
Glad I watched. Switched to HS clear with reducer recently and i`ve had issues with runs.
Hold back on your thinners so dude.just use it without the thinners should help you
Great tips again sir! 10%
Your videos are fantastic. I learned how to paint at a trade school, you would be a great instructor. I switched to the body side but still paint a little on the side. Is there a chance you can make videos about budget/midgrade single stage?
I use to do this with model kits & an airbrush way back when
i bet painting models would be an awesome way to test car paint mixtures
I find temperature-matching the reducer or hardener is best, with maximum air pressure for whatever gun being used. The higher atomization occurs with higher pressure at the gun. Combined with speed and distance, one shouldn't need extra reducer.
I love a white vehicle. I really need to do a color change on my old Buick.
Thank you!
I know quite a few painters in the production shop environment that adds a little reducer in the clear. I myself don’t do that and most paint do old skool and custom paint jobs don’t either. We know we’re going to cut and buff anyway
Brian , very informative video, If you need and idea for a future video I was thinking you could do one on how the scale works in the mixing room ? and average guy watch's the painter put the cup on the scale and start pouring product in , but I am sure there is a lot more to it . thanks for taking the time to make these videos Pete
Thanks mr Brian you videos help me alot am from MALAWI
Discussing the technical aspects of paint drying and all that can go wrong takes me back to my first job out of college working as a paint chemist for an industrial coatings manufacturer. I am so glad I decided to give working as an industrial chemist and go to medical school. As we used to say in the paint lab... paint is pain with a "T".
Most clears I use these days are high solid clears and they all require reducer and just like laying base pick the reducer speed to match the temp .
Your the man
I haven’t had any problems with orange peal in my clear coat painting in temperatures 85 to 62 degrees. The only issues I have had is switching from upper grade paints to lower grade paints. The higher grade paints lay smooth and flat, while the lower grade paints finish is rough with a leather grain finish like the K2 primer which requires wet sanding. The only way taround it is extra coats of clear to fill in the valleys of the rough paint finish. Sure, I can wet sand the lower grade paints to make them smooth and flat… but why sand off expensive paint material and risk sanding down to the primer.
From my personal experience as a hobby painter I will pay the money for the upper grade paint so I can use less clear coats to cover up the sins of the lower grade paints. Any tips on making the cheaper lower grade paint lay smooth and flat? Thank you!
Wish you were closer to me. I need someone to fix my tri coat metallic paint. The guy who sprayed it needs to watch more of your videos. I’m in Las Vegas
Thanks for another great video, Brian. Does this trick apply even if I am using the maximum recommended thinner in the first clearcoat coat to still add 10% on the second and third coat?
Brian I've had a clear look great when I sprayed it but the next day it had on the sides and some spots on the top didn't shine like it did when I was done spraying it.
Gives you 700 scenarios where you can screw up------- Video ends, "dont overthink it, its just paint" lmao, thanks for all the help and confidence youve given me as a newbie into this craft!
Thanks Brian for a great video and useful tips. Have you had a chance to try that Metalux clear I see on the desk? What would you compare it to?
Yes we love Montana
What about on a 3rd coat? Should i use the Same 10% reducer as 2nd coat ratio? 😎👍 Thanks buddy! 🤘
i paint in between 50 and 60Degree in england and i also add reducer to my clear.
watching you spray the hood and you are not even watching what you are doing,dude your technique is top notch to pull that off,I would have had the air hose laying on the hood if I tried that
🤣 the look away spray got me
Should I use less reducer in a little bit cooler environment would that help with less orange peel as well
Nice video.
The orange peal hack is awesome, what i want to learn though is how to snap my fingers and all the masking is done lol
Same here!
5% for volume on medium solid
10% for volume on high solid
On each coat 👍
It would be nice to see a Urechem review
You may want to run your hose up your arm from the gun over your shoulders behind your neck and hold it with your other hand to keep from dragging the hose on the fender or the hood. A simple technique to save a load of problems in your finish. I painted cars for more than 30 years and found this technique of hose handling to be great at saving myself a lot of grief. Holding it in front of your body like that is asking for a lot more work.
I used that reducer hack for a lot of years but I used it in both coates. And as far as build up on edges...good spray technique will solve that. Never stop on any edge. Always spray beyond any edge or gap. Always overlap your masking. do not stop at or on your tape. go beyond it maybe 6 inches. Paint with a consistent distant from the surface and treat every panel as though it is flat. Never try to compensate for body lines or irregularities in surfaces. Always keep your gun at 90 deg to whatever surface you are painting. If you are on a curved surface simply spray every pass at a 90 deg to surface and change gun position as each pass progresses over panel.
If you think today's cars are tough to paint try painting the trunk lid and rear 1/4s on a '69 or '70 Cadillac. Look up what they look like. Tail fins, sharp edges, recesses and huge flat surfaces meeting at one point. And most colors were high metallics...and clear coates. A great learning platform.
Of course...everything is easy...if you know how. Right?
Are there some clears that are more prone to orange peel versus others? Thank you
Here in pa I do it on 3 coat
Hello Brian. You said do this hack on the second coat. what about the third coat? Thank you
Thanks
Sigh... what a beautiful finish. Better than factory made. here in Africa we cannot even buy the products needed. And I have 3 classics that need redoing. 73 VW Bug, 83 Nissan Patrol, 93 Volvo 850 wagon.
Can I add the slower solvents to help with single stage solid colors too?
I have a silver car and planning on changing the color to red. Do you have a video of a color change vehicle?
Hye dude i realy like your all video .that great. End i want to ask . Can i use slow thinner at basecoat? Or just use regular 2k thinner. With the best? Thanks i hope you reply🙏🫰☺️
Most OEM paint finishes have light orange peel
Where i live its cold..and most clears are hs not ms...so its a bit like spraying soup if you don't use reducer
Brian you must have an angel on your shoulder.....proximity of hose to hood at 2:11 - 2:13 on this video.
Hahaha not looking you're killing me smalls .looks good
2:34 this has me laughing. This is a work of art
Ah Man U know as well as me.. some products, we use protech maxi glaze, you totally can over reduce a little.. I go 20 percent on coat 1 and 2 and 25 on my third coat.. I always go 3 clear.. I know some shops won’t let you because the margins are so tight, but 3 clear always looks better to me with the 3rd being over reduced a little.
25%? dam thats alot imo but if it works for u then great! I just started reducing my clear by 5% and it makes a world of difference. If ur using cheap clear like me, putting the extra coat of clear on cost like $30 for your typical front end job. IMO not much if u want a ok paint job to look like a great paint job.
My 2001 Chevy truck the clear coat is coming off what is the best way to paint my truck???
What is the reason after painting door or fender get fade in couple of weeks it looks dull what should we do to avoid this & gloss should remain as it is for long time
Nice
This whole time I’ve been reducing my first coat 😂
me too, and now i will try this second coat method...
It’s ok if you reduce your first coat. If your not having issues, don’t change it.
I had actually started to just not reduce it and just make sure to spray a heavy second coat with plenty of fluid
guilty
Can you do this hack on the 2nd and 3rd coat??
hey ... first coat gun air pressure?....... any different air pressure for the reduced 2nd coat?
Def looks smooth as butter great tip for the diyer quick question I have a custom color already made its like rootbeer with alot of gold and copper pearl I had a hard time with coverage over gray primer what would you suggest
brown tintable sealer
You need a basecoat under it, or a metallic sealer. If it has a lot of pearl, treat it like a tri-stage paint. An Orion silver or similar underneath would probably look good.
You should add 10% from clear coat quantity or from the quantity from clear coat + hardener? On my clear coat it says 2:1 + 10-30%
Hey quick question. Getting ready to paint my bumpers. From your older videos I know I need to use a flex agent. Do I put it in everything ( sealer, paint and clear?) or just one part of it like paint or clear?
Love the videos!
Sealer and clear
@@PaintSociety awesome thanks! I was definitely about to do all three 😅 well. That is if the directions didn’t say otherwise. Still waiting for it to come in the mail
Hi Brian, can we do the same for the second coat even if spraying single stage paint? Thanks
You can try it is yes
Im a big fan.
Question what’s the difference btw the 3M finishing glaze 31180 and the BONDO glazing and spot putty and which one do you recommend? Thanks
The spot putty is usually only out of a tube and an inferior product
Is a respirator enough PPE for 2K paints? I always thought with Cyano's you needed fresh air supply. I want to be safe.
I use 2:1 high solids clear it doesn’t show on the back that I can reduce 10 percent can I still do this ?
What type of reducer should be used for thinning clear
Anyone have opinions , experience, and tips for jc6700 and jbp metallic? Thanks
Best tip I could give someone is you get what you pay for! I’m in Australia so going off our prices.. but you can buy a 7 ltr ms clear kit for under 200 bucks.. but a really good hs clear can be over 500.. BIG DIFFERENCE in the finish but..
What compressor are you using with dv1
You risk solvent boil going your first coat standard reducer and then going a slower reducer in the next coats..
Does it matter what brand of reducer
Does this hack work on water-based?
Would like to know where to get the paint scale
How do you make enamel lay flat? I'm having a hell of a time....
What if your doing three coats of clear?
can i apply this methode to 2k top coat?