Thanks for posting this Brandon. I remember seeing Matt's original video last year and recently referred to yours now that I am in the market for a new belt. My previous 13 mm leather belt lasted me over 30 years so I am finally treating myself to a new one! At age 60 this will probably be my last belt. I don't lift quite as heavy anymore these days (but still very respectable for an old man!) so I am going for a 10 mm model this time. I narrowed my choices to Best Belt and Pioneer. I emailed both of them and even after two weeks, Best Belts never got back to me so I am going with a Pioneer. They recently came out with their "double" hole Pioneer cut which will help fine-tune the fit so I now have one on order. Not only did they answer a couple questions I had in a timely manner but they also called me to confirm my order specifications. Best Belts probably also makes a great belt but unfortunately their customer service leaves something to be desired. Looking forward to my new Pioneer belt!
Appreciate the insight, I hope you like the belt in that case! Matt's always been great with his customer service. One of my issues with Inzer is it took 8 weeks to get a basic belt and their customer service was really poor.
I've been waiting on my Pioneer PAL V2 Belt. So excited to get it. From what I hear, having that adjustable half-inch makes things 10 times easier from switching from head lift to squat.
"Best belts has been highly revered as one of the best belts out there" haha Didn't think I'd watch the whole 27 minute video, props for keeping it interesting the whole way
I know Matt will always flame Inzer for the one piece thing. When I got mine I instantly knew it was 2 by just observing it for 2 seconds. I just don't think any quality is compromised from it from a consumer standpoint, but if there is then it'd be negligible.
I'm surprised how much Mark cheaped out on the strong belt. That thing is not remotely worth $130 So many of these are cheaply made for an arm and a leg.
I believe it's likely b/c he wanted a belt that was comfortable and broken in right out of the box. One of the things ST is great at is improving the quality of what they make over time based off feedback from viewers.
McMeatBag it's because it's ipf approved, so they can charge more. The strength shop belts are not leather but are ipf approved and are not exactly cheap.
Brandon Campbell Diamond my bad. I assumed it was. Just checked the list! His sling shot sleeves and wraps are. I've seen this video about 5 times Brandon. I'm deciding between the titan brahma single prong, sbd and wahlander. Decisions...
Its not the first bad quality product from them that ive heard of. Some guys were talking about how the strong knee sleeves rip on the back and that Mark would never adress the issue. Seems pretty sketchy overall and I dont think I will ever buy their products.
Great video dude. Good to see you still churning out content with the whole job, wife, and new baby situation. I hope to one day have the kind of focus and fortitude you got.
Brandon Campbell Diamond I had the SBD (actually the SBD belt in his video is mine) but I picked up a Pionner belt a few months ago and now I’m on my 3rd belt from them.
I've a Titan Longhorn which Ive been happy with. I compete in the GBPF (IPF) and would love a Pioneer belt but unfortunately as stated not "approved" in my IPF affiliated fed. Am going to try the Metal lever belt - well priced and hopefully as high a standard as Metals wraps.
Am I the only one that thinks her 13 cm Inzer belt has adjusted slightly? I've been using it for a bit over than 2 months and it's not nearly as uncomfortable as it used to be. Inzer belt, to me, is not the best for deadlifting, but it's absolutely perfect for squats.
Really informative! I've got an inzer lever and while it's been good to me, there are times where I wish the edges weren't so stiff because sometimes it really digs into my skin. Thought about a Pioneer but they're not IPF approved and it seems like a risk since I compete - best belt seems like the next best choice besides SBD. Unfortunately $230 for another belt seems a bit over the edge for me right now.
Looked into Best Belts after this video and build of the belts looks very similar to the Pioneers. May give one a shot since I've been itching for a pronged belt for some reason since when I bench I need it one hole tighter and let's be honest, not going to do that just for bench haha.
This is the best and most insightful video I have found on the internet and I appreciate how thoroughly you tried to inform us. If I was to give some constructive feedback, you don’t show us the inside of yours, which is a bit suspicious... I’m sure you’d have one around that you could cut up. And I was disappointed that you didn’t list any (real) cons for your own belt. What kind of person shouldn’t be using your belt. The only reason is that you tell us how other brands misinform buyers about meeting regulation widths and about what’s inside... so it’s natural that I would apply the same thought process to your belt as well. Awesome channel. Gonna subscribe.
They were pretty good when I called them, but maybe I just got a good worker (I also just needed her to check what size belt I ordered bc I was reselling it and forgot what size it was so it was a pretty simple task). But I have heard from a lot of people that they are pretty notorious for having poor customer service. Just my two cents.
I just blew 264 Pounds on the SBD belt. I live in Australia, but the distributors here are all sold out of L sizes. I had to order it from the UK and the shipping alone was 100 Pounds. Kind of pissed off, so i hope the belt is worth it.
Id get pioneer if I ever need a belt again, there shit is made by someone with the most sever case of OCD in a good way that is... So perfect and not to mention it is actually cheaper and faster than most of the options out there.
I'm appalled at how many of these belts have a quality control issue so bad that it violates competition rules when it's marketed as "approved." That's absolutely unforgivable.
Best belt is a great belt, great customer service. I ordered one by the time the belt came i was in the hospital with pneumonia I ended up losing 10lbs belt was to big for a 15$ they resized it for me the 15$ was for shipping
@@LineCook1 it's legit irrelevant which belt you use, they all do the same job, though I'd recommend you get one that has more closing options(more holes I guess, less space between the holes), like pioneer cut or one of those with a buckle that slides. This is obviously simply because it'll be easier to adjust as you gain or lose weight, otherwise normal belts could be a little uncomfortable at times because one hole might feel too loose while the other too tight(xD)
i used to use RDX belt, definitely too squishy and i found it hard to maintain a good lower back position when deadlifting with a 10cm wide belt. So I bought a Best Belts 3inch belt, and it works phenomenally.
I write as a leatherworker, the " cheap stuff " which is not leather is 99% a material that doesent extends and it is an improvement, you would not preffer only leather for this purpose because the belt will deform, veg tan soaks the perspiration and being veg tan it will lengthen and deform. :D
@@BasementBrandon i just ordered a lever buckle and i want to make a belt for myself, i have thick veg tan and chrome leather and basicly any option but i intend to use a textile anti stretching, which is used in shoe industry so it wont deform.
Kinda seems reasonable moreso because the inzer 10 mm one has 6.5mm vegetable tanned leather and 1 to 2 mm robus leather z that's why the insert 10mm in reality is closer to 12mm and the 13mm closer to 14mm. The 10 mm ihas as much leather as a pioneer 10mm one but due to the extra stiffener gauges more. So Matt is not being real only on the 10mm version since inzer is cheaper and offers the same amount of leather.
there is a material named talin, really thin, but gives a nice consistency, also pytex, less good, or other more towards the skin cuts, but chrome taned that are less | alive than veg tan, ofcourse, it is important what you want, if you want it to get more on your shape, veg tan is the best, if you want it to keep shape, it isn't
@@BasementBrandon Yeah it is patent pending and I doubt they want to weaken their market position by allowing that. It's a fairly smart business move although they would possibly make more money by selling individual buckles.
If Pioneer was IPF approved I'd have bought one of theirs instead. THough I am happy with my Inzer. I do like the fact that the Inzer stays stiff, I feel more supported. I got a 13mm Inzer after I found out my 10mm Rogue belt wasn't approved. Going from one to the other was night and day as the Rogue 10mm belt was super soft and pliable and the Inzer 13mm is like wrapping yourself with a peice of 1/4" x 4" steel bar stock LOL
I currently have a pioneer belt and am looking to compete in the ipf. So my options are the A7 pioneer belt and the SBD belt. However since I live in Canada they are the same price after shipping. So disregarding price, which belt do you prefer Brandon for comfort and performance?
I think part of it depends on the size of the person but also the preference. 4" is the maximum allowed in a powerlifting meet, so most people will go that route.
Thanks for the ideas. I plan on a couple good 10mm. Just got the sbd belt AND THANK GOD they took off sbd apparel from the back and put on sbd powerlifting. Apparel just didn’t make sense to me but they did change so (:
Since I am an older athlete, I want to invest in a belt for added protection. I will use the belts only for training rather than competition. If I purchase a 6 inch belt for overhead squats, split jerks and other overhead exercises, do I also need a 4 inch belt for squats, deadlifts, bent over rows etc?
Pioneer was my first belt, but being the naive person I was, I thought I HAD to have an approved brand for USAPL competition so I went out and bought an Inzer. That being said I think I like my Inzer a little more. I like that is stays stiff (that's what she said). Makes me feel a little more secure I guess. If I can convince the wife in a few years, I'd like to get me a lever Pioneer belt. All that said, Matt, you should have cut one of your belts to include in this video. You must have had at least one in the back you could have sparred. Just for comparison as the others.
If you can ever catch one of our live videos on Instagram (@pioneer_fit), I'll give you a play by play in our materials and how we make our belts. Looking back I should've for the video but I literally do it every weekday so I figured that would suffice
Pioneer General Leathercraft Mfg oh I know. I’ve been a follower for a few years. I was just thinking for the video sake. Just in case someone who didn’t know about your work.
my lower back is messed up from improper form doing heavy lifts i also have an inflamed disk witch sucks, but i still love too lift so i wanna know what belt would you recommend as far as great support and comfort or just your overall opinion...
great video Brandon, I liked his take on each belt. I am looking for a new belt soon as I just hate my inzer belt. I dont know why I ever got a lever they are just useless. Do you know if his belts are approved or not?
Not IPF approved (they open submissions again the end of next year). They can be used in all federations other than that. **** USAPL only through state level meets
John Miller that's our hopes. Last time we tried it was like $35,000 to get our products "approved" and I'm expecting it to go up this time around. We ship worldwide
Pioneer General Leathercraft Mfg well that's just outrageous really. Kit should be approved based on its ability to hit the specs laid out by the IPF not because you have paid so much. Sorry but thats just not right if you ask me. That's for letting me know, I don't think I will have a problem using one at a local meet in scotland. They do check kit but will let me use it.
11:10 Pioneer belts do not have a proper stitch finish on the inside of the loop when you turn the loop like Mark Bell. Pioneer belts have a very poor finish.
Pretty bummed that one of the great Reviews here isn't an Onibukiya Belt , been searching for a while of an review of it but been unsucessful. But really insightful video really made me turn away from inzer, a great belt with great reviews but that Lifetime stiffness of it is definitely gonna be a problem.
@@BasementBrandon oh that would explain the difficulty on finding a review, there are some resellers but they're so few. Finally found a written review and seems to be good, thanks for replying
I went with the wahlanders. It was that or the sbd. I train in a powerlifting club on a Sunday and most have the sbd so I wanted to be a bit different 😂
What belt to buy that is good for a 155lb beginner lifter that doesn’t want a thick non flexible stiff belt around his waist that digs into the body like my Inzer. What belt is that?! Is it Best? Also for 5’9 person how thick and wide should my belt be so it supports the right areas and not crush my ribs.
Almost all are polyurethane (not leather) except the ones that are advertised as cowhide and camo. However the black one is not vegetable tanned, camo ones I'm not sure seems suspicious but the brown one it's vegetable tanne. However control quality is bad af, if I would recommend one would be the 120 usd brown cowhide but just a heads up your belt could be way less than 13mm due to quality control
I know the guy who runs Onyx straps (leather wraps/straps/etc) and he's big on Pioneer. I have a Rogue Ohio belt now for powerlifting movements (got it locally for $70 pretty mint) but I wouldn't get one new. Pioneer/Best/Bob's belts just feel better made if you're willing to wait. The Rogue olympic lifting tapered belt is a poor design too, the taper is too jagged. I love Rogue barbells but I think their equipment relies on their name to sell.
For a novice/intermediate lifter would a 6.5mm be ok? I know that the dominion starting strength 3” belt is 6.5. If you could just get one belt would it be a 10 or a 6.5 (let’s say pioneer) and 3 or 4”?
I can't say anything about any other belt, but I currently use the rogue power lifting belt (not on this review) and I would definitely recommend it to people. I have also used a cardillo belt and would recommend that one as well.
Hi! Im from spain and im in a big doubt... which one should you take, pioneer with the pal (220 bucks) or sbd (220 bucks). The shipping prize of the pioneer belt is too expensive.... do you think is worthy?
Disagreed, it's a good belt but doesn't allow for micro adjustments, only comes in one color, inside suede bleeds, only offered in one thickness, and costs twice as much.
That’s disappointing about the Strong belt. Been looking for a 10mm belt for deadlifts. I have the 13mm lever P2 belt from EliteFTS which is made by Pioneer and I’ve had it for ages but I’ve been looking for something a little less aggressive for deadlifting
@@BasementBrandon Thanks for the reply! Honestly, the pronged 10 mm from Best Belts is cheaper than Mark Bell’s and they’re all handmade so that’s probably what I’m gonna go with
Suede belts tend to feel better than straight leather. That's b/c a 10mm suede belt is likely only really 8mm or so of leather with the other thickness coming from the softer suede.
I really appreciate that you still respond on this old of video. I ask because I had a pioneer 10mm dpuble suede that I lost when I moved and may get a stock leather 10mm this time around!
Peterr Vuong I've had mine since the day they got released. So far So good (do consider that it's only been since June 2016) but it is my favorite belt. I've had 2 inzers before that and I've tried many other belts (friends always had other brands)
No biggie, I placed an order with Pioneer anyway. I'm just more curious why it seems like EliteFTS seems to be almost invisible compared to Rogue these days. Everyone and their brother on UA-cam has a Rogue rack, and I'm over here with my EliteFTS 3x3 feeling like an outsider. Rogue is clearly doing something with their advertising that EliteFTS isn't.
How in the world is Inzer even still in business? I was about to buy from them based on the web site claiming it was a single piece of leather, when in reality, as shown in the above video, it's pieces glued together. This is exactly what it says right on their web site: "All Inzer Forever Belts ™ are one solid thickness of the finest, select, exclusive leather. It is not layers glued together cheaply to make thickness as some other brands that can come loose years later." I don't doubt it's still a great belt. But that's just blatant false advertising. How has no legal action been brought against them? I'm shocked anyone would still but from a company that blatantly rips it's cutomers off. You get a different product than what is advertised AND the bonus of horrible wait times. Really, just blows me away they're getting away with this.
Inzer - 1:24
Crain - 4:18
Bob's Belts - 5:59
Sling Shot - 9:02
Rogue - 13:38
Cardillo - 15:30
SBD - 18:06
Titan - 21:08
Best Belts - 22:49
Pioneer - 24:34
Any idea about cerberus brand belts and sleeves?
This isn't the description box. It's the comment section. I'm surprised you didn't know that.
@@leonardopatrizio back when this video was made, this is how you did it.
Thanks for posting this Brandon. I remember seeing Matt's original video last year and recently referred to yours now that I am in the market for a new belt. My previous 13 mm leather belt lasted me over 30 years so I am finally treating myself to a new one! At age 60 this will probably be my last belt. I don't lift quite as heavy anymore these days (but still very respectable for an old man!) so I am going for a 10 mm model this time.
I narrowed my choices to Best Belt and Pioneer. I emailed both of them and even after two weeks, Best Belts never got back to me so I am going with a Pioneer. They recently came out with their "double" hole Pioneer cut which will help fine-tune the fit so I now have one on order. Not only did they answer a couple questions I had in a timely manner but they also called me to confirm my order specifications.
Best Belts probably also makes a great belt but unfortunately their customer service leaves something to be desired.
Looking forward to my new Pioneer belt!
Appreciate the insight, I hope you like the belt in that case! Matt's always been great with his customer service. One of my issues with Inzer is it took 8 weeks to get a basic belt and their customer service was really poor.
I bought my inzer belt about 6+ years ago and it’s still strong. Great quality. I love inzer.
Right on!
can I make this belt
I also make these belts
Everybody knows that the Valeo belt that you can pick up from your local sports store is the best
Best $20 I ever spent.
Brandon Campbell Diamond cheap and perfect for quarter squatting
Nike training belt is much better.
Arturo Iribe yeah lots of dudes at my gym wear their Nike belts as some sort of waist trainer aka corset. They never take em off.
samer powerlifting easy there keyboard warrior. It seems the concept of sarcasm is unfamiliar to you.
I've been waiting on my Pioneer PAL V2 Belt. So excited to get it. From what I hear, having that adjustable half-inch makes things 10 times easier from switching from head lift to squat.
Def the way to go for me!
I love my Pioneer belt. The only downside is it will last a lifetime, so I can’t justify getting a new one with the Pioneer hole pattern
lol
Well mine got robbed out of my car so theres hope.
Love my pioneer belt... Had one for a few years and still in great condition.
Right on!
"Best belts has been highly revered as one of the best belts out there" haha
Didn't think I'd watch the whole 27 minute video, props for keeping it interesting the whole way
Glad to hear!
Oh shit! I just watched a 27:01 minute video without even realizing it. 😱
I know Matt will always flame Inzer for the one piece thing. When I got mine I instantly knew it was 2 by just observing it for 2 seconds. I just don't think any quality is compromised from it from a consumer standpoint, but if there is then it'd be negligible.
I think it is in a sense of being very difficult to break in (especially their prong belts).
Wahlanders belts are a "must" if you're a swede. Swedish made, ipf approved and overall great quality.
Tobias Ramsmo olivander's D:
Haven't tried one personally!
Mike tuscherer uses whalanders i belive
I find them too stiff and hard to break in.
Tobbe 1850 kr is really expensive tho
I'm surprised how much Mark cheaped out on the strong belt. That thing is not remotely worth $130
So many of these are cheaply made for an arm and a leg.
I believe it's likely b/c he wanted a belt that was comfortable and broken in right out of the box. One of the things ST is great at is improving the quality of what they make over time based off feedback from viewers.
McMeatBag it's because it's ipf approved, so they can charge more. The strength shop belts are not leather but are ipf approved and are not exactly cheap.
gooner inSP the STrong belt is not IPF approved.
Brandon Campbell Diamond my bad. I assumed it was. Just checked the list! His sling shot sleeves and wraps are. I've seen this video about 5 times Brandon. I'm deciding between the titan brahma single prong, sbd and wahlander. Decisions...
Its not the first bad quality product from them that ive heard of. Some guys were talking about how the strong knee sleeves rip on the back and that Mark would never adress the issue. Seems pretty sketchy overall and I dont think I will ever buy their products.
Great video dude. Good to see you still churning out content with the whole job, wife, and new baby situation. I hope to one day have the kind of focus and fortitude you got.
Videos are easy when someone else is doing them like in this one!
All the belts reviewed here are great and worth the purchase, but what's your favorite belt?
Wahlanders!
Brandon Campbell Diamond I had the SBD (actually the SBD belt in his video is mine) but I picked up a Pionner belt a few months ago and now I’m on my 3rd belt from them.
I use a Titan Brahma but have to put in a good word for my fellow Swede: Wahlanders!
I only have the sbd
Pioneer
Just purchased my 10mm lever belt from pioneer and used your code. Great content.
Awesome! Thank you!
I've a Titan Longhorn which Ive been happy with. I compete in the GBPF (IPF) and would love a Pioneer belt but unfortunately as stated not "approved" in my IPF affiliated fed. Am going to try the Metal lever belt - well priced and hopefully as high a standard as Metals wraps.
A7 belts are approved for next year and they are made by Pioneer, so technically you could use one of those now.
@@BasementBrandon I'll take a look - thankyou!!
This video explains a lot about my inzer belt, i feel like even after trying to break it out, its still a little to stiff for my liking
Same with mine!
I've had mine for nearly 2 years it's still stiff as hell, HEY NOW!
Me three. 3 year old 10mm lever belt and the damn thing still digs into my ribs or hips giving me those rough sex bruises.
The stiffness might just be giving better support... Just saying...
Am I the only one that thinks her 13 cm Inzer belt has adjusted slightly? I've been using it for a bit over than 2 months and it's not nearly as uncomfortable as it used to be. Inzer belt, to me, is not the best for deadlifting, but it's absolutely perfect for squats.
Really informative! I've got an inzer lever and while it's been good to me, there are times where I wish the edges weren't so stiff because sometimes it really digs into my skin. Thought about a Pioneer but they're not IPF approved and it seems like a risk since I compete - best belt seems like the next best choice besides SBD. Unfortunately $230 for another belt seems a bit over the edge for me right now.
Agreed, if you already have a belt, prob best to stick with what you have IMO
Looked into Best Belts after this video and build of the belts looks very similar to the Pioneers. May give one a shot since I've been itching for a pronged belt for some reason since when I bench I need it one hole tighter and let's be honest, not going to do that just for bench haha.
This is the best and most insightful video I have found on the internet and I appreciate how thoroughly you tried to inform us. If I was to give some constructive feedback, you don’t show us the inside of yours, which is a bit suspicious... I’m sure you’d have one around that you could cut up. And I was disappointed that you didn’t list any (real) cons for your own belt. What kind of person shouldn’t be using your belt. The only reason is that you tell us how other brands misinform buyers about meeting regulation widths and about what’s inside... so it’s natural that I would apply the same thought process to your belt as well. Awesome channel. Gonna subscribe.
The intent wasn't to focus on Pioneer in this video. Matt has a lot of videos detailing and showing the process his belts go through.
Thanks for sharing Brandon! I thought it was Titan Fitness for a moment... clearly not. Great info. Love my pioneer belt.
Haha you should know better from me!
Inzer’s customer service is non existent, just for that itself I’m not willing to purchase them again, ever!
True that
Agreed!
They were pretty good when I called them, but maybe I just got a good worker (I also just needed her to check what size belt I ordered bc I was reselling it and forgot what size it was so it was a pretty simple task). But I have heard from a lot of people that they are pretty notorious for having poor customer service. Just my two cents.
Thanks for the warning
Really? I bought the wrong size belt and they shipped me the right size fast
Great video ..this explains why after more than a year my belt hasn't broken in
True that, still working on mine like 4 years later!
I just blew 264 Pounds on the SBD belt. I live in Australia, but the distributors here are all sold out of L sizes. I had to order it from the UK and the shipping alone was 100 Pounds. Kind of pissed off, so i hope the belt is worth it.
Dang, hope you like it.
Id get pioneer if I ever need a belt again, there shit is made by someone with the most sever case of OCD in a good way that is... So perfect and not to mention it is actually cheaper and faster than most of the options out there.
Haha good point
I'm appalled at how many of these belts have a quality control issue so bad that it violates competition rules when it's marketed as "approved." That's absolutely unforgivable.
What's being violated?
Best belt is a great belt, great customer service. I ordered one by the time the belt came i was in the hospital with pneumonia I ended up losing 10lbs belt was to big for a 15$ they resized it for me the 15$ was for shipping
Right on
Markbell sells you gear with extra inches, their gangsta sleeves are 7 mm
7mm is the standard for sleeves as it's the max allowable in competition.
19:15 were you trying to destroy the SBD belt? Lol
lol
Ahhhh this is a great belt review video! I want to check out a Pioneer belt!
Like mine a lot.
My guy went ahead and fucked up like a thousand dollar worth of belts for an educational video. Respect.
lol
I didn't watch the whole video. Too long. Which belts were the best in your honest opinion? Best bang for buck?
@@LineCook1 it's legit irrelevant which belt you use, they all do the same job, though I'd recommend you get one that has more closing options(more holes I guess, less space between the holes), like pioneer cut or one of those with a buckle that slides. This is obviously simply because it'll be easier to adjust as you gain or lose weight, otherwise normal belts could be a little uncomfortable at times because one hole might feel too loose while the other too tight(xD)
i used to use RDX belt, definitely too squishy and i found it hard to maintain a good lower back position when deadlifting with a 10cm wide belt. So I bought a Best Belts 3inch belt, and it works phenomenally.
awesome!
After watching this ordered pioneer belt , thanks for the video
Good choice! What did you go with?
Great vid, but until Pioneer get IPF approved it's SBD for me. Would love to try the Pioneer as I've heard nothing but good reports
They are approved now if you buy the A7 version of the Pioneer belt.
@@BasementBrandon Iron Tanks had it before A7 and IPF Approved ;)
leftywhat actually both of them were at the same time as the IPF has certain timeframes they use for their approved list!
Really great video, learnt a lot. Thanks.
Thanks for taking a look!
I write as a leatherworker, the " cheap stuff " which is not leather is 99% a material that doesent extends and it is an improvement, you would not preffer only leather for this purpose because the belt will deform, veg tan soaks the perspiration and being veg tan it will lengthen and deform. :D
I'm not so sure about that.
@@BasementBrandon i just ordered a lever buckle and i want to make a belt for myself, i have thick veg tan and chrome leather and basicly any option but i intend to use a textile anti stretching, which is used in shoe industry so it wont deform.
Kinda seems reasonable moreso because the inzer 10 mm one has 6.5mm vegetable tanned leather and 1 to 2 mm robus leather z that's why the insert 10mm in reality is closer to 12mm and the 13mm closer to 14mm. The 10 mm ihas as much leather as a pioneer 10mm one but due to the extra stiffener gauges more. So Matt is not being real only on the 10mm version since inzer is cheaper and offers the same amount of leather.
there is a material named talin, really thin, but gives a nice consistency, also pytex, less good, or other more towards the skin cuts, but chrome taned that are less | alive than veg tan, ofcourse, it is important what you want, if you want it to get more on your shape, veg tan is the best, if you want it to keep shape, it isn't
great review, lot of stuff i didn’t know!
Thanks for taking a look!
what is the name of the best belt plz ?
this will vary on who you ask. Personally my favorite is a 13mm pioneer adjustable lever
@@BasementBrandon it says on the site that they are no longer accepting new orders, are they going to start again?
@@samiba4610they are, not sure where you saw that!
i am lost not sure which to buy
Lots of good choices.
27 minute brandon video
christmas arrived early
oh its not papa brandon
You should be used to disappointment from me :)
My belt is a 10mm single prong from modifit. Never had a problem yet but I feel like it could be a little stiffer
Glad you're happy with it!
I would like to see that SBD buckle expand to other brands. I think that is a very clever idea they had.
I would too, although I believe they have patented it, so not likely to see it on any other belts.
@@BasementBrandon Yeah it is patent pending and I doubt they want to weaken their market position by allowing that. It's a fairly smart business move although they would possibly make more money by selling individual buckles.
IPF approved wise is SBD best?
It depends. Pioneer makes belts for a7 and Iron tanks that have IPF approval. I think if you want adjustable lever, SBD is the best.
If Pioneer was IPF approved I'd have bought one of theirs instead. THough I am happy with my Inzer. I do like the fact that the Inzer stays stiff, I feel more supported. I got a 13mm Inzer after I found out my 10mm Rogue belt wasn't approved. Going from one to the other was night and day as the Rogue 10mm belt was super soft and pliable and the Inzer 13mm is like wrapping yourself with a peice of 1/4" x 4" steel bar stock LOL
Right on!
I currently have a pioneer belt and am looking to compete in the ipf. So my options are the A7 pioneer belt and the SBD belt. However since I live in Canada they are the same price after shipping. So disregarding price, which belt do you prefer Brandon for comfort and performance?
Have only used the SBD belt a handful of times, both are good options.
The A7 belt looks hard af
Take a look at Iron Tanks, if you're after the Pioneer cut they've got it with IPF approval, along with their regular Lever Belts.
Brandon what’s better 3 or 4 inch wide belts and why. Thanks in advance.
I think part of it depends on the size of the person but also the preference. 4" is the maximum allowed in a powerlifting meet, so most people will go that route.
Thanks Brandon, time for me to order the pioneer belt.
Thanks for the ideas. I plan on a couple good 10mm. Just got the sbd belt AND THANK GOD they took off sbd apparel from the back and put on sbd powerlifting. Apparel just didn’t make sense to me but they did change so (:
Right on! I wish they offered some more variety in finish and thickness, but prob comes at a much higher production cost.
Sbd apparel is what the company is actually called
Since I am an older athlete, I want to invest in a belt for added protection. I will use the belts only for training rather than competition. If I purchase a 6 inch belt for overhead squats, split jerks and other overhead exercises, do I also need a 4 inch belt for squats, deadlifts, bent over rows etc?
is the 6 inch one a tapered one I'm assuming?
I am looking at this style made of leather: rdxsports.eu/rdx-leather-6-padded-exercise-lifting-belt/ for the 6-inch O-lift belt
Pioneer was my first belt, but being the naive person I was, I thought I HAD to have an approved brand for USAPL competition so I went out and bought an Inzer. That being said I think I like my Inzer a little more. I like that is stays stiff (that's what she said). Makes me feel a little more secure I guess. If I can convince the wife in a few years, I'd like to get me a lever Pioneer belt.
All that said, Matt, you should have cut one of your belts to include in this video. You must have had at least one in the back you could have sparred. Just for comparison as the others.
Zac Soileau
I agree 100% with everything you said
Some good points. I think if you plan on ever doing USAPL regionals or nationals, it makes sense to buy an approved belt.
If you can ever catch one of our live videos on Instagram (@pioneer_fit), I'll give you a play by play in our materials and how we make our belts. Looking back I should've for the video but I literally do it every weekday so I figured that would suffice
Pioneer General Leathercraft Mfg oh I know. I’ve been a follower for a few years. I was just thinking for the video sake. Just in case someone who didn’t know about your work.
Zac Soileau I should've looking back for sure
my lower back is messed up from improper form doing heavy lifts i also have an inflamed disk witch sucks, but i still love too lift so i wanna know what belt would you recommend as far as great support and comfort or just your overall opinion...
I'm partial to pioneer. For most I'd suggest a 10mm pioneer cut belt. However I will say a belt shouldn't be used to mask and injury.
In your poinion, which is the most stiff belt that you have tried? Thank You (stiff or hard)
13mm all leather pioneer. It still hurts.
Would be awesome to see a Wahlanders belt in this video. Great and informative video though.
Have heard good things about them.
Swedish handmade goodness
Is there any belt with the buckle/lever remotely similar to the sbd belt? The optional sizing is nice for days when I’m smaller or bigger
No they own the patent to it.
great video Brandon, I liked his take on each belt. I am looking for a new belt soon as I just hate my inzer belt. I dont know why I ever got a lever they are just useless. Do you know if his belts are approved or not?
They aren't. I'm surprised you don't like the lever! I can't stand prongs lol.
Not IPF approved (they open submissions again the end of next year). They can be used in all federations other than that. **** USAPL only through state level meets
Pioneer General Leathercraft Mfg thanks for the INFO I am guessing once they open up you will get going for It? Also Do you ship to the UK?
John Miller that's our hopes. Last time we tried it was like $35,000 to get our products "approved" and I'm expecting it to go up this time around. We ship worldwide
Pioneer General Leathercraft Mfg well that's just outrageous really. Kit should be approved based on its ability to hit the specs laid out by the IPF not because you have paid so much. Sorry but thats just not right if you ask me. That's for letting me know, I don't think I will have a problem using one at a local meet in scotland. They do check kit but will let me use it.
11:10 Pioneer belts do not have a proper stitch finish on the inside of the loop when you turn the loop like Mark Bell. Pioneer belts have a very poor finish.
Lol no.
Pretty bummed that one of the great Reviews here isn't an Onibukiya Belt , been searching for a while of an review of it but been unsucessful. But really insightful video really made me turn away from inzer, a great belt with great reviews but that Lifetime stiffness of it is definitely gonna be a problem.
Seems only really available in Japan?
@@BasementBrandon oh that would explain the difficulty on finding a review, there are some resellers but they're so few. Finally found a written review and seems to be good, thanks for replying
I went with the wahlanders. It was that or the sbd. I train in a powerlifting club on a Sunday and most have the sbd so I wanted to be a bit different 😂
Right on!
Check out the Dominion Strenght belts. I have one and its a solid piece of leather made in FL, USA.
nice!
Deciding between a 13mm inzer single prong or a titan Brahma single prong belt. Any recommendations?
Both are good choices
What belt to buy that is good for a 155lb beginner lifter that doesn’t want a thick non flexible stiff belt around his waist that digs into the body like my Inzer. What belt is that?! Is it Best? Also for 5’9 person how thick and wide should my belt be so it supports the right areas and not crush my ribs.
All of it depends.
10mm lever simple
Do you have a video review of the Larry Wheel PR (Personal Record) belt? Thoughts 💭?
I do not!
Almost all are polyurethane (not leather) except the ones that are advertised as cowhide and camo. However the black one is not vegetable tanned, camo ones I'm not sure seems suspicious but the brown one it's vegetable tanne. However control quality is bad af, if I would recommend one would be the 120 usd brown cowhide but just a heads up your belt could be way less than 13mm due to quality control
Do “best” make lever belts???
Not that I'm aware of.
I know the guy who runs Onyx straps (leather wraps/straps/etc) and he's big on Pioneer. I have a Rogue Ohio belt now for powerlifting movements (got it locally for $70 pretty mint) but I wouldn't get one new. Pioneer/Best/Bob's belts just feel better made if you're willing to wait. The Rogue olympic lifting tapered belt is a poor design too, the taper is too jagged. I love Rogue barbells but I think their equipment relies on their name to sell.
appreciate the feedback
Do you know if the “Gym Reapers” belts are the same as the inzer belts or if they are different and will break in
I'm not sure TBH
any thoughts on BEAST GENETICS they say the are good for ipf but the back of mine seems stiffer then front and it has more of a oval shape to it
Haven't used them personally.
Which color is your best belt? Was it sand?
Thanks in advance.
believe so
For a novice/intermediate lifter would a 6.5mm be ok? I know that the dominion starting strength 3” belt is 6.5. If you could just get one belt would it be a 10 or a 6.5 (let’s say pioneer) and 3 or 4”?
Yeah should still be fine. If you're shorter a 3" belt might feel better as it won't dig into your ribs as much.
the Starting Strength 3" belt also comes in 10mm 2 ply. Dominion make several 3" belts actually.
silent mike say he could take you in a basketball game what you think? ( me starting stuff lol )
I think LaVar Ball could take me now.
How does the Gymreapers belt compare to the Inzer???
Have not used that one.
I bought a Gold's Gym belt from walmart for $16 and its pretty good its double prong ive had it for month's and its been very useful
Doesn't offer the same level of support, but is good for general training.
Update i got a inzer belt about 1 week back and its amazing feels better
Best Belts really are the best.
Have heard good things
I can't say anything about any other belt, but I currently use the rogue power lifting belt (not on this review) and I would definitely recommend it to people. I have also used a cardillo belt and would recommend that one as well.
Rogue is actually using Pioneer to produce some belts for them now as well :)
mmhmm dat belt pr0n
Nothing like the smell of some fresh cut leather.
Hi, how is the black coated metal of the poineer belts holding up?
Really good surprisingly. Some chips here and there, but when I do things like bent over rows the barbell hits it, so it's to be expected.
Hi! Im from spain and im in a big doubt... which one should you take, pioneer with the pal (220 bucks) or sbd (220 bucks). The shipping prize of the pioneer belt is too expensive.... do you think is worthy?
I think in that case it might make sense to get SBD locally
If you want 13mm go sbd, 10mm your only option would be pioneer because sbd doesn’t make 10mm.
Sbd best hands down
Disagreed, it's a good belt but doesn't allow for micro adjustments, only comes in one color, inside suede bleeds, only offered in one thickness, and costs twice as much.
@@BasementBrandon only bleeds for a short time and color has nothing to do with performance 😂 please come up with a better argument
@@garycharlot905 I did already in my previous post, you just failed to address them 😉.
Any thoughts on the power ratchet (PR) belt from Inzer?
Haven't ever used one :(
I thought Lifting Large belts will be included.
I think they're just rebrands
okay so which one do i buy?
I think any one on this list is a good belt, personally I prefer the pioneer, but if you compete USAPL or IPF you may want to get an approved belt.
Hi! What do u think of strengthshop 13mm lever belt ipf approved?
Haven't used it.
Can you review the dominion top grain leather belt? It’s currently selling for 174.00
Prob not unless they donate one for review.
Damn I just ordered a inzer belt hopefully it’ll be good for me
It's still a solid belt.
What's the lead time on pioneer belts
Depends on what you get.
What’s the name of the Pioneer belt that he has
I have a ton of them. My preferred is the 13mm lever.
Why was I so nervous watching this that my Best Belts prime cut would end up getting bashed?
lol
Does Best Belts have a website. Tried Googling. Couldn't find them.
Yes, they popped up for me as the 1st or 2nd entry.
Sbd lever belt's sound is same as inzer?
Not sure I understand.
That’s disappointing about the Strong belt. Been looking for a 10mm belt for deadlifts. I have the 13mm lever P2 belt from EliteFTS which is made by Pioneer and I’ve had it for ages but I’ve been looking for something a little less aggressive for deadlifting
You could still use/buy it!
@@BasementBrandon Thanks for the reply! Honestly, the pronged 10 mm from Best Belts is cheaper than Mark Bell’s and they’re all handmade so that’s probably what I’m gonna go with
Does strenght shop belts worth his price ?
Haven't used them personally
is there a benefit to having suede vs just having the leather?
Suede belts tend to feel better than straight leather. That's b/c a 10mm suede belt is likely only really 8mm or so of leather with the other thickness coming from the softer suede.
I really appreciate that you still respond on this old of video. I ask because I had a pioneer 10mm dpuble suede that I lost when I moved and may get a stock leather 10mm this time around!
@@joestearns9735 I prefer suede as the leather def has a bite!
do you think they sbd outside black leather will start cracking over time
I don't believe so.
Peterr Vuong I've had mine since the day they got released. So far So good (do consider that it's only been since June 2016) but it is my favorite belt. I've had 2 inzers before that and I've tried many other belts (friends always had other brands)
93 koryg Has the suede bled onto your clothes at all?? I want an SBD so bad but I don’t want to ruin all my shirts for 3 months
24:40 Is that Purple or Fuchsia?
Not sure TBH
What about synthetic belts, like those from strengh shop?
Not a fan
Brandon Campbell Diamond how come?
Inzer lever or pioneer lever. They seem so similar
I find the pioneer to be preferable due to the quality of leather, customization, and customer service.
No thoughts on EliteFTS belts?
Matt might know more.
No biggie, I placed an order with Pioneer anyway.
I'm just more curious why it seems like EliteFTS seems to be almost invisible compared to Rogue these days.
Everyone and their brother on UA-cam has a Rogue rack, and I'm over here with my EliteFTS 3x3 feeling like an outsider. Rogue is clearly doing something with their advertising that EliteFTS isn't.
Khechari If I’m not mistaken pioneer makes elitefts belts. Don’t quote me on this
I have an Elite belt and the build process is nearly identical to pioneer so this is likely true.
Very interesting guys!
How in the world is Inzer even still in business? I was about to buy from them based on the web site claiming it was a single piece of leather, when in reality, as shown in the above video, it's pieces glued together. This is exactly what it says right on their web site: "All Inzer Forever Belts ™ are one solid thickness of the finest, select, exclusive leather. It is not layers glued together cheaply to make thickness as some other brands that can come loose years later." I don't doubt it's still a great belt. But that's just blatant false advertising. How has no legal action been brought against them? I'm shocked anyone would still but from a company that blatantly rips it's cutomers off. You get a different product than what is advertised AND the bonus of horrible wait times. Really, just blows me away they're getting away with this.
To be fair I imagine it was in regards to their 10mm, as you can tell by their site it hasn't looked to be updated in years lol.
well it is 1 piece of leather, i think the other stuff is suede or what not
Noor Umar on their 13mm belts it’s two pieces of leather.
just based on my intro to business law knowledge, i dont see how they could have a false statement w/o a way around it, and not get sued
Noor Umar they don’t clarify if it’s the 10 or 13mm.
thank you
Sure thing
What about Rise belts
Meh, TBH I think a lot of those other mass produced belts are outsourced and of lower quality.
Stoic needs some love
Can't comment on their belts, but their knee sleeves are solid.
Sbd is the best belt hands down
Eh, I don't agree.
That's why you got people hitting 1000lbs on squat with the belt deadlifting crazy weight 😂😂😂 that equals good quality and hard work in the gym
@@ajani3287 You have people hitting those numbers in other belts as well, has nothing to do with it :)
thx for the video :-)
Sure thing!
The Blue Orchid cover is horrendous lolol
aw