Lifting Belts - Thickness - 10mm or 13mm
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2024
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In today's video we take a look at the question, which belt thickness is best, 10mm or 13mm? The answer might surprise you as we dive deep into the world of lifting belts.
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An informed customer is the best customer! Holds us and other manufacturers accountable and they’ll more often than not get a product they expect and love! Thanks B! Great informative video
What category do most stock belts fall under? (I wanna guess they're not suede'd at all, but kind of a Belt Moron so dunno.)
Thanks again for all the help!
Can we have a video on the Pioneer custom belt process? I saw a bandana design and that was lit. Maybe have a showcase on the previous belt designs.
@@BasementBrandon I can't recall where you're located, but I'm just curious, based on the relatively large volume of equipment you have purchased/reviewed, what shipping company seems most reliable. I live in central/south Georgia and FedEx has a really bad reputation. It's a shame, because I know and really like a particular driver that I've dealt with for almost 18 years. When a company ships UPS it usually arrives earlier than predicted and the packaging is fine. However, FedEx is literally NEVER timely. Their tracking always indicates "out for delivery", then it changes to to "delayed delivery" or some other exception and it's anyone's guess when or if you're getting it. Once they even bent a freaking 29mm power bar and destroyed one sleeve. It looked like a tank ran over it. The packaging is usually damaged, twice items were delivered to the wrong address and one package was just lost. The drivers work their asses off, so I can only assume it is a management/logistics issue. Whenever I see that it was sent FedEx I prepare for the worst. This predates COVID-19 and the supply chain issues.
@@awmlawoffice I live in the northeast (rhode island). For the bigger purchases they almost always come freight, which is more expensive, but since they're on a pallet and can't be thrown around, usually show up in great condition. For smaller orders a lot of times it's UPS. Our guy is great, although I believe he hates me b/c of the volume of stuff that comes in. He backs up right to my garage/porch and I'll usually go help him unload stuff if I catch him. I haven't had any issues with FedEx but then again not a lot of heavy stuff is shipped with them for what I get.
Insane how big the small differences can be on some of these! Thanks for sharing and educating, Brandon!
You bet!
This is by far the most informative review I have seen on just about any weight training equipment. Basement Brandon is very detailed, thorough and honest about equipment he reviews.
Thanks Bill, I appreciate it!
Very cool to provide such a detailed video. Top notch Brandon! Im not in the market for a belt, but I’m saving this video so I can go back to it when I am. I’ve done that with so many of your videos and used your info to build pretty much my entire gym
Awesome! Thank you! Way into the weeds, but I found it interesting!
That's crazy man, never even crossed my mind that there were all those variations between the belts. Perfect timing too, been thinking its time for a new belt haha
Yeah prob going to do more harm than good, sometimes not knowing is best lol
Fantastic info and thanks for dropping that knowledge on us! I was already thinking my next belt would be 13mm double suede and now I feel comfortable going with that step up from my 10mm double suede.
next question is prong or lever?!
@@BasementBrandon I still really dig the levers!
Great nerd out on belts. Lot of good info. Wish I saw this when I first started using/understand how to use lifting belts.
Just be like me and buy 6 lol
Got myself a 13mm double suede Inzer lever belt with the PAL. Had it for about 7 years now and love it. Got the PAL about a year ago, definitely a solid upgrade for old faithful. Would highly recommend.
Yeah love mine too!
Investing in the expensive ass pal today
Excellent overview this x and your lever video really helped me decide on a belt to order
Glad I could help, always feel free to shoot me any questions if you need it!
Very comprehensive info. Thanks 🙏
Glad it was helpful!
Great video! Very informative. You explained it really well and how they vary depending how much leather they have.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for this. Appreciate the info!
Thanks for taking a look
Great job with a very clear explanation!! Also, your shirt is pretty cool because all of my belts are Pioneer as well!
They really do a nice job!
No questions - I just wanna say I love getting up in the morning and seeing you have a new video up. Nothing better to enjoy with a coffee and a Tim Tam!
Tim tam straw?
@@BasementBrandon absolutely!
this was extremely informative! thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for this thorough and clear breakdown. Would love to see other similar analyses. Actually just found out the belt I have been using (Rogue) is not "legal" for the first PL meet I just registered for. It's 5 inches and max is 4. Going to need to find a new one to break it in, so this was super helpful.
I'm assuming you have the nylon belt? Those ones are typically used more for general use/strongman. Glad the video was helpful, let me know if I can help with anything else.
Thanks for explaining!
Thanks for watching!
Super informative, thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
thats a great video! Nice! Very clear
Thanks for taking a look
Very helpfull, thank you Brandon. Gonna get my first belt soon. Thinking about a Pioneer Lever Belt. I have been lifting beltless for 4 Years and was not sure at all what to do, as there seem to be no shops in Berlin that have proper belts. I am 196cm (6.5 I think) and about 160kg (350lbs) so I am still very unsure what exactly would be best for me. But this is a great start.
Read the Belt Bible from Stronger by Science. Gives some great insight on to why a belt is a good idea (and it's free).
I’ve had a 13mm from Inzer belt since around the same time as your original review back in 2013 and although it hurt like hell to break in, still looks brand new.
Right on!
Thank you. This was helpful
Glad to hear!
Thanks for the valuable information. Appreciate it 👍🏼
Thanks Justin
I use a 13mm Inzer lever belt for squat and a 10mm single-prong A7 (w/ 1/2" holes) for deadlift. I believe the A7 is made by Pioneer. Being able to adjust in 1/2" increments for deadlift has been a game changer for me.
Yes they make belts for a7, iron tanks, and rogue! The interesting thing is the a7 and inzer prob have roughly the same amount of leather based off construction. I'd guess the inzer feels stiffer b/c they also add a layer of harder almost cardboard leather to the belts.
@@BasementBrandon I didn't know that! Inzer always bruises my back and it still doesn't lay flat after a couple of years of use, but it's my go to for squat. The A7 feels like buttah! Perfect for getting into deadlift position. I also like that the buckle is black too.
Yes ! More guides !
Anything specific?
I have a Pioneer lever belt and Strength Co suede/leather belt single prong. The Strength Co belt is perfect. No break in and doesn’t slide around during lifting.
I know some manufacturers use a curried shoulder leather to make the belts more pliable (broken in) right away.
Super helpful, now would just love a recommendation of pal (pal v2 vs pioneer cut) or maybe new vid coming soon? Thanks!
Def need to make that one.
Awesome, incredibly informative!
Much appreciated!
@@BasementBrandon Are you aware of any videos that give a similarly detailed explanation of nylon/fabric belts? I’ve found a few that speak to the relative benefits of nylon vs leather, but no details on the construction of fabric belts at the level that you provided for leather.
@@martystrasinger3801 I haven't. I'm not really aware of any special considerations for them in competition.
Nice. Did not know these details
A bit overkill :)
@@BasementBrandon nah, i love these kind of "how it's made" details
Awesome breakdown! I was unaware that the suede layer was 2mm
Every mm matters :)
It's not the size of the belt but the motion in the deadlift, squat, etc. And belt just helps lmao
Ayy, what I like to see. Still inzer is my favorite belt
Right on!
Great video, anyone looking to buy a belt should watch this first
Thanks dude!
currently waiting for my 3in 10mm double suede pioneer cut from their xmas sale
Dope!! I want a white lever belt next :)
I have a 10mm full leather belt. It's a stock PAL belt from Pioneer. I have had it since July 2021 and I use it 2 to 3 sessions a week. It could be that this belt is still fairly "young" but I can't imagine needing a stiffer belt than this, even for competition. Time will tell, I suppose.
Those stock belts are hard to beat
Not gonna lie I just went with the 13mm no suede all leather belt and I love it, yes it leaves bruises but idk love it seems as if I have a Kevlar or sth
It will break in, but those first few weeks are rough!
thank you
No prob.
5:39 "a 6 and a 7, a 7 and.... 5 and half."
Commutative property of addition, man!
But they're not the same number :)
I think I just realized I need all the belts
Come visit, I'll give you one ;)
Can you please do a review of the Wahlanders belt?
If I come across one
This was great. Now, solve my 3” vs 4” debate for one belt to rule them all.
I think this relates to height and where your ribs end and hips start. Shorter people usually prefer a 3".
Hi Brandon,
I’ve currently got an 8.5mm belt with single suede so about the general 6.5mm of leather. If looking for a step up in thickness, would you say a 10mm single suede would provide a noticeable support increase or would a 13mm double suede be a better choice. I’m also curious as to what is your personal choice in thickness and if you feel stronger or more comfortable with particular belts.
Thanks
I like a 13mm lever. I think if you're going prong, 10mm makes more sense. A lot of this is preference however. I feel a difference going from 13 down to 10... or at least I think I do lol.
I haven't had a new belt since before most of you were born, and it became time finally to buy a new belt. Those old single ply belts, while they break in, in 15 minutes, are fairly worthless. In a way, I do wish that I had purchased a 10mm belt just for the break in period, but I bought a 13mm with a suede lining layer. The why is because I overdo everything. I watched videos on how to break the belt in, and they did help. Roll that belt until it is pliable, and wear it for everything whether needed, or not.
That's usually what Matt from Pioneer suggests as well! Use it and roll it!
Still waiting for the PAL comparison review. You said you would do it after your initial impressions.
Ah sorry. I'm so far behind on all my videos. I have like 25 pieces of equipment to review still too.
well damn I wish I knew about the suede trick before I ordered my belt. 10mm full leather is a painnnnn
It'll break in!
How’s the preacher pad in the background? I’m looking at getting one.
So it depends. If you're looking for a cheap and easy way to do preacher curls, this is a cheap easy way to do so without taking up footprint. If you're looking to buy something just to buy something, prob not the best. I don't do a ton of curls in my training so it's a lower priority item.
Edit: If there are any vegans or vegetarians out there, don’t worry, there are actually several leather alternatives now. I don’t own any so I can’t recommend a company but at least you have some options
Okay original comment here
Thanks Brandon. I got my 13mm back in 2011 or so from a small American company by the name of Best Belts. Can’t believe how well it has held up and how underrated this company is. Just figured I’d share for others out there..
Have heard good things about them. I think StrengthShop offers a vegan belt.
Looking for an adjustable lever belt. I think I landed on a Pioneer PAL V2 after watching your videos. The question I have is this the correct belt for me or not and if so and what thickness/combination should I get? I currently use a Rogue Ohio Belt and my current 1RM are: 550lb deadlift and 450lb squat.
Thank you and keep up the great content.
Did you check out my video on different types of belts? I cover the PAL and SBD as well as prong. Personally I like the PAL the best.
@@BasementBrandon yes. That's what made me lean towards PAL. Now I just have to figure out what thickness and material(s). What's your daily driver? 13mm double suede?
@@stevensecondo1103 yes sir!
This is an interesting video, albeit a bit long-winded LOL. As someone who has worked with leather for quite some time, I'd like to clarify and possibly simplify a couple of points.
Vegetable tanned Saddle skirting, which can be as thick as 7mm, is essentially a cows full hide.
Leather, when layered, is a lot like plywood. A multi layered item will have a stronger tensile strength when compared to anything made from a single layer.
I would advise against the use of suede as an inner layer. Although suede provides a bit of grip, it doesn't add to the strength of the belt at all. In fact, its sponge like texture will soak up sweat, dead skin, and stain and stink much faster than smooth finished leather. Moisture will accelerate the decay of the leather. Suede should only be used for appearance sake.
Two to three layers of vegetable tanned leather can equal the exact thickness that you would like. Leather crafters have a tool known as a splitter that can thin the leather perfectly even with the exact thickness you'd like. And essentially, you'd have a much longer lasting belt over the belt with a thinner core and suede added.
As a maker, it's in my best interest for your belt to wear out, because it's additional business for me.
As a consumer, all I can say is, choose wisely.
Thanks for the feedback. I think the point about layers is more some brands like Inzer, tout that they are better b/c they use a single piece of leather on their belts, which obviously is not true. In terms of suede, that's an interesting point you make that I never considered, but I find having a suede layer inside usually leads to a more comfortable belt for most.
@@BasementBrandon I don't disagree with you on the comfortability of suede, however there are much better alternatives. T he most readily available in the USA, is referred to as milled vegetable tanned leather. Milled veg tan is supple and quite soft (think high end bags) and it doesn't have the negatives I mentioned of suede. One that will actually be soft yet add strength to the belt is kangaroo. Kangaroo actually has the highest tensile strength of any leather tanned.
If you're going to spend a lot of time wearing your belt, you owe yourself to invest in the best materials available for the task. I don't know much about the quality level of popular brands, but it might help you and your followers to understand a bit of the terminology so you/they can ask the prospective company about their manufacturing process to ensure the best quality and make the most informed decision for such an investment.
tried the 10mm full on leather from pioneer way too stiff for my liking, so this one is going back and 8.5mm single suede is on the way now
Right on
howd u ended up liking it?
@@junioralvarado629 has been really good and I do recommend. Wears in very quickly and have not degraded at all over the course of a year. Might outlast me to be honest.
10mm all day.. The Pioneer belts are super solid and 10mm is ridiculously nice!
Yes they are!
I love my Inzer Forever 10 mm belt
My first was a 13mm one, but once I went Pioneer I can't go back.
I bought an expensive belt (Inzer Forever), too thick and stiff. I regret it. The double prong is too hard to close it.
Yeah double prong is the worst IMO
Heya Brandon, solid video. I already have a 10mm single prong full leather pioneer belt and it's serving me really well. Your thoughts on the new pal lever system from pioneer? Worth a buy?
It’s worthy he buy if you’re in to lever belts. If you already love your prong belt and don’t really see a point in switching, then keep on keeping on.
Since my name is Brandon, I’ll suppose you were asking me. I think it’s beautiful. Absolutely wonderful to have several adjustments, and to take off in just seconds and effortlessly. PAL comes at a bit of a deal on the beltinator though. Think it’s only a 30 bucks upgrade, which is 1000% worth it.
Depends. Do you have the PC prong? If so the only reason to go PAL is to get more convenient/consistent latches/fit. Personally I like how a lever feels clasped against my stomach more than I do a prong.
@@BasementBrandon yeah I have the pioneer cut prong. Thx
Under what category would the SBD belt fall under?
13mm single suede. They have red suede on the inside and black leather outside.
That…. Was some Scott Steiner promo level of maths right durr.
I blacked out.
Can you get as tight with a pioneer cut as with a lever? Way easier for me to get the tightness I want with a lever so never use the PC belt
I think you could, but I find a prong style belt has a little more gap in the front where the prong attaches and the belt goes up through the loop. The lever still has a slight gap, but the overlap is under so It feels tighter to me.
I find that when I wear a lifting belt my squat and deadlift numbers go up. Does the mm thickness also play into that? i.e. if I wear a 13mm full leather vs a 10mm double suede will I be able to lift more in the 13mm than the 10mm?
Not likely. If you can, look up the "belt bible" by Greg Knuckels, good free read.
can you review the transformer bar?
I can. It'll prob be something along the lines, it's a great bar that's versatile. If you plan on replacing all barbell movements it has a lot more value, however if you're only really looking at it for a few, a SSB is prob the better buy.
Ive had a wahlander belt since 2018. Still looks great. Pioneer looks great tho, guess Ill check if they are ipf approved. Before that i had so many stupid belts.
Pioneer is not ipf approved. The ipf wanted to charge some insane price to be on their approved brands so they said no. It was around 250-350k. However A7 has their belts made by Pioneer and those are ipf approved.
@@warlordbarbell totally get that. Maybe Ill look into that then.
Pioneer is not, but they make belts for a7 and Iron tanks which have paid the fee.
Yes! And Iron Tanks too!
But what if I wear my 10mm under my 13mm?
One way to find out.
I don't think I've got the commitment level it takes to break in a 13mm belt....:)
I believe in you.
You forgot to mention prong styles. I've owned many belts of just about every style and material and I completely agree that the 10mm double- suede is the best all-around choice. But although the double-prong is more common, in my experience the single-prong is more comfortable and easier to use. I also prefer the single-prong over lever-styles because the lever-style limits you to one size whereas the single-prong is easy and quick to adjust sizing from day-to-day or even lift-to-lift. For example I usually tighten one extra notch for heavy squats. The lever styles are a little more streamlined but their lack of easy adjustability negates any advantages in my opinion. Have not tried an SBD so my lever experience comes from the older style lever belts.
Ah didn't forget to mention, just wanted to focus on the thickness here. I'll likely do another video like this but talk prongs and levers.
How do you get a belt only if you already have the lever? I’ve only found belts with lever included…thanks
I'd just shoot them an email.
@@BasementBrandon thanks Brandon. I gave that a try so I shall see how it goes.
Whats your opinion on Stoics lever belt compared to Pioneer or SBD?
Have not used.
Do you still prefer the 13mm with double suede over something like the SBD belt?
I do. SBD is a nice belt, but obviously I like to have some options in terms of looks :)
Brandon, I urge that you go for a BeltFed belt! You’ll change your mind and realize these belts don’t compare to a full handmade belt from him.
Pioneer >>> and it's not even close :)
I'm 5'7 and have more issues with the height of belts. It's okay during squats but when I deadlift it gets really annoying.
Fair enough!
Try a 3” belt. I find it way more comfortable, at 5’11””
I’m only 21 so I went with the Inzer 13mm all-leather so it’ll be broken in by the time my grandson is ready to set the deadlift world record on Jupiter.
Inzer doesn't offer a full leather belt IIRC
Is it bad I’ve never used a belt
No, but there's no detriment to using one and it can help maximize strength/hypertrophy.
@@BasementBrandon need to get one of these you recommend then! Prob help secure my back and posture too
Strength Shop USA belts are artificial leather, that still counts i am assuming. I love it.
Not so much, they're much softer in my experience.
I thought more of Brandon than to have a non aligned dumbbell!
lol
"Suede" (which is also leather)
Yes but def different feeling and source in most cases. Can also get extra nerdy and talk about sources of the main leather. Some of those more pliable belts use a curried shoulder leather.
10mm
solid
Even the millimeters matter 😂
don't you know it
NGL. Screenshoted 8:02 for future quick reference. 😁
lol right on.
👍
Thanks my man
If you’re down with the thickness the only answer is the SBD belt
My biggest gripe with that belt (which is a stupid one at that), is that you don't have any options when it comes to width, color, design.
@@BasementBrandon When I made the switch from a prong to a lever I just figured I would make the splurge and get one that was going to last a lifetime. It’s definitely a tank. I like the adjustability without having to unscrew the lever and put it back on. Although lately I have been intrigued with the Pioneer adjustable lever. The A7 version is a beaut.
When I purchased my belt about 4 years ago, I went with 13mm full leather. The first time I tried using it, I literally needed someone else to help me get it off of me because of how stiff it was. Whenever I would squat, it would pinch my love handles and literally make them bleed, leaving my waist bruised after every training session. It's currently the most comfortable feeling in the world to put that belt on now, but my god was the break-in period absolutely brutal.
I felt that comment lol.
A non home equipment gym review???? WHAT YEAR IS IT?!
I have so much gear to review lol. Once I"m done I can get back to other topics.
Team sbd 👀 I need a custom pioneer belt tho
Yeah buddy. I liked the Pioneer I have until I shrunk out of it. But the SBD is nicer.
I need something that looks different than every other one out there :)
I need every mm I can get. Every mm counts!
I heard that
Brandon! Not sure if you are aware of this but it looks like the Luxiaojun SS powerbar is Marked down to $319!!!! Daaaaaang and I paid $399. :(…
Good deal!
My head hurts from all this math. I just want to lift the heavy iron, man.
I'm surprised I didn't mess up more lol