Sad News: It's the END of the Road For the Chevy Camaro...At Least As We Know It!
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itll come back as an 8000 lb electric SUV
Auto market is so depressing nowadays, glad I scooped up the last brand new manual crosstrek before they get rid of the stick :(
That’s the Blazer EV
Yeah, same as Ford mustang. 😂👍
Mustang is still alive though. 😎
Ugh you’re probably right
GM never showed the Camaro love. There were many Famous Mustangs and Mopars. Shelby's, Bullitt, General Lee, the Mopars in the FF Movies, etc. The Camaro only had Bumblebee, (thanks to Michael Bay). They never really promoted the car. Because they didn't want to step on the Corvette toes. It was a great car it will be missed...
To be fair, the general Lee isn't a exactly a good thing to be associated with in today's cultural climate, and ff movies aren't really viewed in a positive light anymore by most people.
@@themidnighttavern6784 Take the flag off the General Lee, and it's still a dope car. You could even put a big red X with tap on the flag if you wanted to. And as far as FF goes. It still makes stupid money, and people go and watch them. Not like they use to pre Paul Walker. But it does better than I expect them to do.
@@themidnighttavern6784 I've owned my General Lee for over 23 years. It was my dream car as a kid and was one of the reasons I got into cars. I'm glad because where I live I've never had anything said about the car.
Gm gave us a great car plus they gave us the zl1 wake up and smell the coffee ☕️
@@hondamancl450 Key Word is ..."Gave". And Ford is still "Giving". And agreed it "was" a Great Car...
Roman your 100% correct. Ford should never have affiliated the Mustang E with the Mustang name. It has no business being called a Mustang. i think it was just a marketing ploy to get people to feel better about buying it.
It didn't bother me at first. Telling people I drive a mustang just for them to be amazed that I drive an electric vehicle is annoying. I feel insulted. You can't get a convertible and/or a manual in the stupid electric mockery. My mustang is both manual and convertible.
I don't understand why they didn't resurrect the Maverick name plate for the Mach E, which used to be a two or 4 door sedan, not a pickup truck. It's like they've forgotten their history!
Doesn't really matter though. They made the Mach E to be able to make a new Mustang, it literally saved the mustang from the EV sales. Ford is now doing the Muscle Car department all the justice for 2024 and up. While Dodge is about to flop, and while the Corvette keeps GM afloat.
@@crbourret they did resurrect the maverick nameplate, although I agree with you that this application would’ve been better than a tiny truck
Weird how I'll see ads for the Mustang and the Chargers and Challengers and then see them on the street. I can't recall the last time I've seen an ad for a Camaro.
They do that to justify killing it.
chevy's marketing team is doo doo
its transformers thats the last time you saw an ad
@Carson Allman I'm talking about an actual ad. Dodge took over the Fast and Furious franchise. However, I still see Dodge ads for the Charger and Challenger all the time. Even seen them while watching a NASCAR race and Dodge hasn't been in that series since like 2016.
I am 73 years young and I lived and took part in the muscle car era. Electric cars are souless, sterile machines that remove the driver from the thrill of controlling handfuls of power making uproarious, incredible sounds. I cannot imagine the drivers of today's Mustangs, Challengers and Camaros surrendering them for a battery-powered anything.....you just sit in it and steer. BIG WHOOP! And to put speakers in an EV to make it sound like an ICE, to me, is an addmission of failure. If this is the direction mankind is taking then, Lord, bring me home.
Preach it brother. EVs were designed, engineered, driven and forced on us by people who think driving is a chore.
Relative. My tesla was more fun than my v6 mustang. Yes v6 but they can make a fun electric car. Eventually.
So well said. I'm 68 and electric vehicles will never be a "muscle car" Sad!!
I’m not going to throw a hissy fit over driving an EV. But I won’t drive something fake engine noise. It sounds awful. ICE is what it is. An EV is what it is.
I mean, if your generation had done something about climate change, maybe we wouldn't have to take this drastic course of action at this moment in time. Maybe not you specifically, but your generation will go down in history as screwing over younger generations at every opportunity they could get. For the first time in history, younger generations are less prosperous and have less to look forward to than the generations that came before.
10:33 exactly! The Mustang Mach e is most definitely a branding exercise. It was originally going to be branded as a Ford escape but some Ford executives deemed there wouldn't be enough interest in that. Hence the Mustang theme.
Totally agree ,,, would have tanked as a Ford Escape ,, Mach E is not a good looking car in my opinion .
A branding exercise that cost them $3 BILLION.
The Mach E was just a name to draw attention...
@@craigroosa9321 It's not good looking, it's great looking.
@@nothingtoseaheardammit Pretty sure Tesla was losing money for years. Takes time and experience to be profitable while making evs.
Tommy's fell off the rocker😂 I'm with pops on this one!
I have to side with Roman on this one, the mach e was definitely just a branding exercise. However with Chevy on the other hand, they did destroy the blazer name, so I could see them doing something like that….and that saddens me as a chevy guy. Great video as always guys!
I wish they would have made an El Camino based on this Camaro platform.
That would be HOT!!!
GM was going to bring the Holden Maloo HSV R8 to the US as a Pontiac, in 2010... I wish so much they would have, Unfortunately, Pontiac folded in '09.
CAMARO IS A PONY CAR JUST LIKE THE MUSTANG IT'S NOT A MUSCLE CAR THEY BOTH RACED IN TRANS AM THEY WERE BORN AS TRACK CARS NOT DRAG CARS.
I would be fine if they made a wagon/cross over for a Nomad
They could have done much more with that chassis, but nothing ever materialized.
If that kid calls that a mustang one more time i will jump off this roof
Chevrolet lack of advertising had a huge effect.on Camaro sales, Dodge was blitzing the airwaves.
Yup, Dodge had some badass advertisements for their Charger/Challenger!
Bro entire Transformers franchise is a big Camaro advertisement.
@@dallasfrost1996I'll never forget the day I saw George Washington leading the charge at the British line in a Challanger.
As a 6th Gen Camaro owner I have never enjoyed a car as much as the one I have now the 6.2L is excellent the handling is awesome and it begs for the curves. I am going to keep this car for an extremely long time. While they did say that this isn't the end for the Camaro I do not think it will follow the same Big V8 formula. So for the 6th Gen I say Good Job Chevy on the Six gen. EDIT: I am going to have to go with Roman on this you can't really get a Crossover to take the curves as well a coupe can. My Camaro takes curves faster than I have ever been able to do in most crossovers. Its about the whole package. The Camaro gave me something that I love and enjoy it is like I have a complete package a curve loving, straight line performing and a Roaring V8 adrenaline pumping car.
I think the 6th gen suffered with marketing, inconsistent major refreshes, a lot of technology that drove price up, and biggest thing less livable. The 5th gen as I see it almost done right, that's why it passed the Mustang in sales. It had a eyecatching retro styling as well as being modern with things like rear independent suspension. It represented what the Muscle car needs to be. Similarly to which the Mustang and Challenger pertain. The 6th gen doesnt have the emotion you feel when you walk up look at it as you would do with the others. The biggest flaw, it was focused to have pure sports car handling which ultimately was better than the Mustang and Challenger but came at a cost, making it smaller and less livable especially with poor outward visibility. It was fine if it was the only sports car from Chevy but it is overshadowed by the Corvette which people will go to for the best handling. It find it somewhat weird that the Challenger is the oldest of the three(older than even the 5th gen Camaro) but has risen up to be the top two because of marketing and its mission statement. At the end the 6th gen was one hell of a car, but not the car that people needed. Which I wish GM properly acknowledged, and give us a new gen that goes back to its roots.
I hate the way they did the current gen styling
Mike Williams,
I agree 100%!
I share a similar story but with a 98 LS1 Z28.
I have a mint/low mileage 2018 SS1LE, and the driving experience made me forget about the 4th/5th Gen variants.
I’ll take the sports car that can dominate at the track and still represent the Camaro’s 1LE heritage..👍
@@txjt90 I would love a ws6, I was a lot boy when that car came out. I was 17 and got to drive one a couple times, super fun. I personally loved the stying
As a diehard Camaro fan, I hate to hear this, but GM gave up on the platform right after the 6th gen debut. They've been throwing all the money into going fully electric. Also, while Dodge has been powersliding Chargers and Challengers across my tv screen I can't remember the last time I've seen a Camaro ad. They didn't build hype around the car like Dodge has. GM did the same thing to the Chevrolet SS.
Technically the platform has been being used in the Cadilac line up.
GM probably figures the sales don't support the ongoing R&D, an unfortunate business decision. The Camaro will be missed.
Nahhhhhh - it’s CAFE….
It's not that, it's that the world climate mafia has infiltrated some of the auto companies. EVs aren't about the environment, they're about control.
My favorite Camaro will always be the ‘85 IROC-Z I rode in as a kid regularly when that model first came out, and considered buying a ZL1 back in 2012, but have been surprised for quite a few years that it was still in production given the notoriety around the Mustang and Challenger - appreciate Chevy for the long run though, definitely an icon.
2002 CONVERTIBLE BASE
I love it dude same my favorite Camaro is the 1986 Iroc Camaros
You know it had a black/black 87 305/5speed with t-tops and gold stripe and wheel package miss that car so much. They need to remake it..this body has been around since 2010..it’s bland and boring now..
@@toddprater14 the exact spec … and perfect. Agreed.
@@donteadoss better yet is a 90 iroc-z and since you can’t get a 350 with t-tops in 90-92…here’s my build A black 1990 with gold wheels and tan or black interior with t-tops& 305 and a 5 speed only as that gave the 305 motor the 350 cam -you don’t get this cam if it’s a auto-and it was only 10hp less. Best of both worlds ….I was pissed in 90’ when you no longer could get a 350 with the tops…only years for 5.7&tops is 87,88 &89.
My daily driver (and only car) is a 2018 2SS that I have 105k miles on. My previous car, and the first car I ever bought after I started my career, was a 2012 RS Camaro that got me into the muscle car culture. That 2012 RS turned me into a car enthusiast that enjoys going to Barret-Jackson (I live in Phoenix anyway) as opposed to the car apathetic person I was who grew up with my dad's old explorer and the family's Grand Caravan who originally went car shopping that day to look for a nicely appointed Ford Escape. The Camaros have been great cars for the last two generations, and I'll really miss them. Not only because it's a shame to see that market segment reaching a sunset, but also on a personal level because it represents more than a decade now of that fun culture I had no idea I wanted to be a part of that introduced me to great friends and great memories brought about by such a captivating product. Farethewell Camaro, I shall keep mine as long as I can!
I think the one thing where they really missed the boat was the restyling in 2019. I was so happy the stars aligned for me to get a 2018, becuase the 2019 styling (and the subsequent tweaks) just didn't make it appealing as a 'muscle' car. The 2016-2018 looks like something that competes with the Mustang and the Challenger - it looks like part of the trio. the 2019+ looks like a body kit on a malibu. I definitely get they were going for a more futuristic styling to appeal to a 'younger crowd', but I think it ended up just being weird styling that didn't appeal to anyone.
Additionally, while I love the sound of my burbling V8, I do look forward to an electrified muscle car in the next few years. I actually got a survey several years ago from Chevrolet asking me, as a current 2ss owner, what I'd want to upgrade to in a future Camaro, and I remember them listing a very intriguing 650HP Hybrid powertrain or something along those lines - that is what interests me. A muscle car, to me, isn't about the particular power plant, it's about the 'attitude' as was said around the 11:00 mark, but not in the way that was meant. If the engineers behind Camaros, Challengers and Mustangs can keep that attitude alive with electrified vehicles that leap frog performance characteristics of the current generation the same way that current platforms leapfrogged the original cars of the 70's, I welcome that. The attitude is about absolute, raw performance and the thrill of having a performant car, not of having a car that has this or that particular architecture. If I can get a beefy looking coupe with 750 HP and 750 lb/ft or Torque from an Electric engine that will allow me to have 0-60 time around 2.5 seconds, what of that is NOT a muscle car? It might have an electric hum instead of a V8 burble, but at the end of the day it is still the expression of a muscle car in the purest sense. And if that transition can allow others to join in the fun and the culture like my 2012 v6 that out performed the 70's era cars did for me, then I sincerely welcome it. Especially if the alternative is that segment rolling off into the sunset leaving us nothing but the memories and the faint odor of burning rubber. When I finally have to trade in my 450HP 2018 2SS with 300k miles and it's barely rolling into the lot because of the years of smiles, I hope to replace it with a 7th generation Electric 2SS with 750 HP.
So long as it isn't a crossover. :P I Do agree a muscle car needs to be a coupe.
Couldn’t have said it better, I also started on a 2012 RS too haha!
These companies are digging their own graves.
By canceling cars that don't sell?
@@MercOne they aren't selling because Chevy is pricing themselves out of their market. 50k for a decent Camaro, and 90k for the zl1. No one is paying that. OR you can get a Camaro just under 40k with a 2.0 turbo- who's buying that thing. Also overpriced. Bottom line Chevy has lost touch with the customer base and overpriced what they have. Thus digging their own grave.
@@Ajayen-- They’ll be ok. Cancelling this car isn’t going to put them in the grave.
The biggest problem with the Camaro was all the downsides when you compare it to the Mustang. It had some of the worst visibility of any car ever. The Mustang was cheaper. It's slower than the competition by a lot. The seats were terrible to ride in for more than a 30 minute drive. The suspension made it ride like it was required to wear a kidney belt. It was basically the same since 2010 with just some facelifts. The only change was the ZL1 really. Chevy abandoned it years ago. I haven't seen a Camaro commercial in probably a decade. The ONLY reason anyone would buy a Camaro over a Mustang is because they're a "Chevy Guy"
Development divisions within GM have never willingly played nice, especially with their performance engines. Camaros trying to get Corvette engines, Buick sourcing an engine for the GNX, even Lotus fighting with Opel back when GM owned them. Lots of friction, usually because there's a tradition of whoever developed the engine will get upstaged by whoever developed the chassis.
Meanwhile Dodge is begging for more models to put the Hellcat into.
1:10 Weird how better handling is seen as a negative. It's not the Camaro that's known to hate crowds....
I’m gonna have to agree with pops on this one
As a Boomer, I have to disagree that a cross over can't be a muscle car. You can't tell me that the SRT Durango with 710hp doesn't have at least the spirit of a muscle car.
Yeah the Mach E is a branding and marketing strategy, but isn't a personal small cheap transportation vehicle
Love you guys in the two generations. I am the older age group, but I can see the younger age groups opinion as well. Keep up the good work!
Yea… two generations down. Millennials not thinking like that
im tommys age and the man just doenst understand muscle car appeal. its about power and brashness, the mach e is definitely not a true mustang, and im not even a ford guy.
@@simrantoor85 yeah no electric car will ever have the appeal of a muscle car. They have their own appeal but it won’t be what we love about muscle cars.
I'm not much older than Tommy I'm 28 and I'm 100% not on board with the ev over muscle the visceral feeling of an angry V8 screaming under the hood of a badass ride is second to none
Chevrolet Express: Hold my beer. I've been around since before smartphones.
Really unfortunate. It was the best replacement option for people who didn't like the C8 corvette, but still wanted a traditional V8 muscle car with a manual transmission. You can sit and argue with me all day about how modern automatics are faster and more efficient, or how an electric motor will be faster/more powerful, but for someone who enjoys driving, there is no replacement for the immersive feeling of rowing through the gears on a big v8.
If you want a car that goes quicker/faster in a straight line, go Dodger or Ford. If you want a SPORTS car, by the Camaro. I have owned a 1985 and 2002 (35th edition) Camaro. Both were daily drivers and both were bought with the F-41 suspension and had manual transmissions. The 1985 went for almost 180,000 miles, the 2002 went 147,000 before I traded it for 2012 C6 Grand Sport Corvette. I'll take handling over straight line acceleration any day, regardless of manufacturer, but in my experience the handling crown has gone to Chevy for 5 decades...
Quicker and faster? I've beaten chargers, challengers, and mustangs in my stock LT1 Camaro...
We need to remove Chevrolet CEO and start to advertise like the rest of the competition. I own a 6th generation 2018 SS Camaro, and I love my Camaro. The car is a beast and handles like a dream. Chevrolet just shot its foot by announcing their decision.
Fun Fact: Holden (GM Australia) designed the fifth-gen 2010 Chevrolet Camaro. Aussie involvement in the Camaro's history!
I’m glad to say I just got a 2019 RS and I’m finally apart of the Camaro family before the cancellation. Always wanted one and it’s so damn sexy, this is most def a sports car not a muscle!
I had 2016 SS1 for 2 years. Love the power. Unfortunately had to get new transmission(at 86K) and few other things. $4K + later, sold it ASAP before something else happened. 😁👍
You had flawed 8 speed correct?
Never get the 8 speed
@@meeralrafee1875 Yes, didn't know, live and learn . 👍😁
The second time the Mustang has outlasted the Camaro.
The "problem" with a Camaro is Chevy makes the Corvette. By the time I spec out a Camaro, I'm at the low end of the Corvette price. The back seat in a Camaro is only good to hold an over nite bag anyway.
It's honestly a tad surprising that the Camaro, Mustang and Challenger have barely changed since their retro design and still sell as well as they do. Well, not the Camaro.
They’ve already ruined the blazer so there’s a certain fear with what GM is going to do with this nameplate. Fingers crossed
Personally I think the reason the camaro is a great car with alot of models and trims, unfortunately it wasn't everyone's cup of tea, it was a bit underrated, when compared even to the mustang and challenger it performed quite well and the engines/horsepower were limited due to the camaro getting all the things from the corvette detuned, if the corvette and camaro was with a separate brand I think the camaro would still be going.
I think most people will still want muscle car to look like a muscle car not a muscle car crossover.
I love the styling of Camaro! I just hated every time I sat inside one at the LA Auto Show. :-(
I think the lack of interior space really hurt this car… Chevy went sooo many years n didn’t even slightly improve on the interior space… i personally wished they would improve the backseat space n overall interior space at least for the v6/4cyl since its aimed at being a daily. Most people choose Mustang n Challenger bcos if the little space they get in those cars i for one love the camaro but would choose d challenger bcos i want my friends to enjoy my Car
Seems like GM just threw all their resources behind the C8 and let the Camaro die a slow death.
Camaro is excellent. GM is terrible at understanding what the have for performance cars if it doesnt say Corvette on it. Camaro literally out handled the Mustang and Challenger. Base LT1 trim outhandled Mustang PP2.
The biggest hit Camaro took was the hideous 2019 refresh. They saved it in 2020 but it was too little too late.
Whelp.... it looks like Ill be jumping feet first into the woodchipper of poor financial decisions to get one.
So what is Chevy going to put in NASCAR? The Volt?
As someone who used to mostly seek out only Japanese or German performance cars, I saw the Camaro as a great option with this latest SS 1LE. I love this car. It has plenty of the sound, speed and character of a muscle car, but track performance is more in line with what I’m used to. Strong brakes, stiff chassis, firm suspension but excellent ride quality and daily drivability. I don’t care about the horsepower wars. There are a few occasions where I wouldn’t mind seeing how much quicker the 650 hp ZL1 engine would be, but 450 hp is already plenty. It’s gotten ridiculous in my opinion. That said, it is neat to see factory cars that have basically all your aftermarket work done already.
Oh and it's a car you can work on unlike the German and to an extent Japanese performance cars. I owned a 2004 GTO and been around 5th and 6th gen Camaros an amateur can pull those motors if needed with plain normal tools and the maintenance items are basically shared with trucks so they are everywhere.
I strongly disagree with Tommy there is way more to a muscle car then just horse power . He is describing more of a sports car.
I'm not really suprised that GM is killing the Camaro. The sales have been dwindling for years, and the rumors of its cancelation have been around for a while. Plus, GM had put all of its resources into the Corvette, EV's, and trucks, and pretty much left the Camaro behind.
I think they will bring the camaro back when they drop this new line of V8s I don’t think gm wants to do what they did with the C7 and 6th gen have the same motor in them because a 7th gen camaro rn would have that LT2 in it so I think they will drop it with the new line of sbc V8s just something y’all can think about that’s what I’m thinking could happen I don’t know tho
I own a 2014 Camaro and I love it. I want my next car to be a Camaro, but electrified. So, if they were to not bring it back in an electrified option, I would get the Dodge Banshee.
If all new cars become electric, where is everyone supposed to charge them? A lot of people live in apartments where you can't have your own personal charger. There would have to be chargers on every street corner just like gas stations. Plus who knows if the power grid could handle all those vehicles being charged at the same time. I'm not saying it can't be done. It's just going to take a lot of doing. 🙂
everybody be judging those who drive those, while they themselves be driving a boring yota to death, not knowing that they never lived. truly depressing
No. An SUV will never be as cool as a V8 powered coupe. No matter how much power you give it.
Mark my words guys, there is a Gen 7 ICE to compete with Mustang....with an optional electric Camaro. GM is always last to dance for a reason! Good video and big fan! -Mark
Where's your proof? GM still hasn't bothered to make a bronco/wrangler or trx/raptor competitor, and those are extremely profitable segments. If they can't be bothered to develop products that would print money for them, what makes you think they would care about jumping back into the less profitable, low volume muscle car segment?
@The Midnight Tavern You make a great argument about the trucks and SUV.... obviously i dont have any proof, this is more of a feeling and being in this game a long time.... while some may think i'm reaching and maybe am i am but i have been around long enough to know GM wont just hand that segment to Ford have for itself with a Gen 7 Mustang- Mark
Hopefully Mary Barra is gone b4 the Camaro.
What would you rather have in your driveway to stare at... 66 GTO or MachE
The MachE of course! You can drive it instead of just look at it.
@@davidmccarthy6061 poor fella
@@dmcharley64 The mach-e if I'm actually driving it on a regular basis. Those 60s cars were extremely unreliable compared to something like the mach-e, obviously less safe, less refined.
I can see the appeal of the experience they offer. But sometimes people just want to go to work or to the store without smelling like gasoline and having to keep triple A on speed dial.
If it's a weekend car, prob a mustang coupe. The 60s mustangs were better looking than the gto, especially in fastback form.
@themidnighttavern6784 obviously you didn't grow up during the 60's... you missed out.
@@dmcharley64 Was born in the best decade, the 90s.
It’ll probably come back as a CamaroCross.
It already exists. It's called the Blazer.
@@thegrandinquisitor8239 what’s wrong with having another suv/crossover in the line up? 😆
We also loose another convertible option In the market
They seem to have confused "muscle car" with "pony car".
Having driven all three current muscle cars, the Challenger was the easiest for daily driving. The Camaro was the worst driving experience I’ve ever had due to seating position, and windows that are hard to see out of. I really wanted the Camaro to be successful, and it’s a shame the car was so polarizing.
Poor functional design. I can see a new gen of a high output V6 mild (integrated drivetrain) hybrid, thus overall taking up about the same longitudinal (powertrain) space as now, better visibilty/sight-lines, lower tail end. Lighter, generally downsized a bit but somewhat re-proportioned. Smaller tire/wheel assembly but still proportionate to the whole package. Back to the original formula. Less puffed/pumped up. 2+2 handler but still very decent straight line. Looking at spec for spec 023 v 69, the current one amazingly isn't that much bigger than the original, a little taller, a little wider, about the same length - but it is more pumped up. Some might say that modern technology and safety features make up the difference, so what are you going to do? I still say they're going to put it on a diet and visibility program.
Great show TFL!! The Mach-E should be called a Galaxie or something...it's NOT a Mustang! I'll stick with my 2008 GT/CS. Analog all the way and it does handle (lowered, trailing arms, etc.) Makes great noises and I get to shift my Hurst shifter! Prices are going up as companies kill them off...hurry and get a cool Camaro, Mustang or Challenger now! 💪cars rock!!
The Camaro was just neglected like it was 20 years ago. Now I think they just don’t know what to do with it. It would probably have to go on a Cadillac platform to continue. And what nameplate will they use in NASCAR now?
At least Chevy is going to let it die with some dignity... unlike Ford with the Mustang.
Just saw the Farewell edition for 2024.
Sold my 16 and have an order in for a 24' SS 1LE. I will never, ever, ever buy an electric muscle car. It's a stupid concept. The issue with these forward thinking decision makers at GM and Stellantis are going to run into is that Boomers, Xers and the older generation of Millennials in the buying market for a muscle car (they are the only segment that has money to spend on a new sports type car at the moment) are not yet buyers for these - Go to any car show/meet and there is a visceral hatred for EVs. Sorry Tommy - you are wrong - an SUV will never have the muscle car vibe. Its just another swoopy body line SUV you see in every Walmart parking lot in America. It's just the Mach E - don't call it anything else.
Muscle cars are angular sports cars. Crossovers are trash.
I just have to say the burnout you did in the blue GT500 was PAINFUL to watch. It was utter abuse of that poor car. 40% throttle would have been plenty. I just hate seeing journalists bounce these cars off of the rev limiter.
Sure will miss the muscle cars.
It will come back as a bloated EV SUV POS Edition. 😂😂😂😂😂
They’re replacing the Camaro with a new Chevelle.
I have inside sources at GM (family).
Word around the corporate offices is that they’re already working on an all electric Chevelle based on the styling of the 1970 Chevelle SS.
Unfortunately it may be a 4 door… or may come in both 2dr and 4dr.
Perfect competition for the upcoming EV/ICE Charger.
@@johndrake2729 yes exactly
Roman, I'm sure you're right, there will be people who will want to hold on to their petrol engines in the future, but it's going to be more and more complicated. At some point into the future, the combustion engines will be probably restricted access to most populated areas due to the pollution, and this is already happening in Europe.
If you don't believe this will happen, I'd like to remind you that they didn't allow smoking in public places at some point, even though smoking was very popular. As soon as this happened, the popularity started to fail, this coupled with the increased price on tobacco products.
I'm sure that e-fuel will be more expensive than real gasoline while being just as polluting. So I think there won't be a lot of supporters who will want to hold on to this "pleasure" when the price per gallon will be $15-20 and you won't be allowed to drive in the city with the ICE car.
Is GM wasting their money? They still got about 15 years to sell this stuff, I think. They might be able to capitalize on this technology (v8 ICE) while it's giving its last breath. God know there are a lot of people living outside cities, but that's only about 5 to 10 percent of the population, so 15 to 30 million people. Only, they don't all have the money to entertain this kind of expensive pleasure as a V8 engine in 2040.
I’ll tell you the sweet simple reason why the car saw it’s end…
It’s built on a sedan chassis and instead of taking advantage of such a chassis in space and overall design… they simply tossed all of that aside and tried to make a sports car out of a sedan… which isn’t always bad… you just simply isolated your car market….
If you take every last thing that made it a 2+2 coupe and give it the interior space of a 2 seater… people will just opt for the vette
Engine noises on an electric car is like having engine noises on a golf cart or putting a card in your bike spokes
Sad to see! I own an 88’ IROC and 2015 SS/1LE and I can’t believe they are doing away with the nameplate again. Chevy/GM does not listen to its actual customers. I’m 40 and have owned 6 different GM products from Chevy, to GMC to Cadillac. I’m a fanboy and they don’t care what I want or what I like. They like to government does as these please and give no shits about us. Sorry to get political, just felt the analogy was fitting. Thanks TFL.
The Camaro LT1 has the most horsepower/dollar of any vehicle.
Mach E is not a Mustang ,,,lol ! Bummer the Camaro is going away ,,,Have owned two in the past , wish I still had one of them .
What people keep forgetting is that the ZL1 is the best track car of the 3 and is equal if not better than a hellcat in a straight line believe it or not, so that lack of power on the ZL1 isn’t really an excuse
That faux-exhaust is a hot mess.
Tommy, for a man who understands 'classic cars' better than many people my age, you are missing the mystique of the 'muscle car. - - - However, your Dad's vision of the muscle car is not my vision of the muscle car either 😂🤣
For once I agree with Roman, this millennial hates the fact Ford called the Mach-E a "Mustang". IT IS NOT A MUSTANG, Shup Up Tommy, it is NOT a Mustang. It's a woke soccer mom crossover. Screw Ford, Screw Wokism, Screw Electic Vehicles. I don't know why the American Motors are killing off muscle cars when BMW is still building the M2 and M4 and Nissan came out with a new Z. You don't see the global markets killing off the 2-door, RWD, front engine sports (muscle) cars.
I have a 2021 ZL1 should I sell it when it’s discontinued?
Cmon Tommy Mustang E is not a real Mustang
Means I’ll keep my 2019 camaro 2SS
Pony cars were not Muscle cars unless they had a Bib Block Engine. They were also Personal Sporty cars, not SUV's/CUV's/Station wagons.
The mach E is not a muscle car of the future... It's a crossover with the mustang badge, I agree with Roman and muscle cars never had four doors
NO! Just NO! That “Mustang” Mach E is as much of a Mustang as the Ford Suppository( Probe ) was. I hope that GM doesn’t do the same thing with the Blazer/Camaro idea that Tommy said. That would be horrible and should fail.
Roman is right with the definition of a muscle car!
The Mach E is not a mustang!
The Chevrolet Express is the Dodge Challenger of fullsize vans. 😂😂😅😅
Camaro’s poor sales have nothing to do with horsepower and everything to do with visibility. GM did the Camaro dirty by its poor driving ergonomics. World class drive train and a seating/driving position that is absolutely horrendous for an everyday driver.
What will Chevy run in NASCAR?
and to think gt500 dont only go in a straight line it can actually tie or beat cars like Ferrari f8 tributo Lamborghini huracan evo and porsche gt3rs around a track. Then 85k plus 15k in minimal upgrades the gt500 can run mid to low 9s in the 1/4 mile and 15k turbos or whipple supercharger and gt500 can run mid to low 8s in the 1/4 mile. oh plus you still have enough money by not buying the porsche you can have the gt500 with the mods and buy either a awd v8f150 or mustang gt for 35 45k and all they need is boost and fuel and can make up to 1200whp and Mustang gts have ran 7s and f150 8s in the 1/4 mile with stock sealed 5.0 and built factory trans you literally could own all 3 gt500 mustang gt and v8 coyote f150 for the money of the porsche and all being 5.0 coyote and gt500 the 5.2 predator which is based off the 5.0 coyote all of the parts and mods are interchangeable
The jury’s still out?!!That’s pretty cool?!!But your right the mustang ev has NO links to the Mustang (V8)
Naming the Mach E MAY have been a good idea, calling it a Mustang was NOT.
Love this episode. Mu
scle car= 2 doors, BIG V8 Engine. PERIOD!!!
Listen to your pops! He knows what time it is. I agree with him.
Of the 3 highest level trim versions (mustang, challenger, and Camaro) the Camaro ZL1 is the only one you can get currently in a Convertible and with a manual.
You can order a Challenger as a convertible with a manual.
@RustyPumpkinRanch not a Hellcat
@@NickBrakattack you didn’t say Hellcat.
@RustyPumpkinRanch "of the three cars highest trim levels" means that a mustang Shelby GT500 and a challenger Hellcat/demon do not offer manuals or convertibles. Only the camaro at the highest trim level of ZL1 does. Thus it's the only option available of the 3.
@@NickBrakattack at some point when you reach a certain horsepower you need to limit certain options, Camaro never reached that point and it appears it never will.
A Mach E is not a Mustang
Where we going? F..O...R...D
I guess you'll need to add an Ok Gen X slacker too, the boomer's right. The Mustang Mach e is just a branding exercise, it's not a Mustang. I will never understand why they just didn't call it simply the Mach e. They would of still got the heritage name tie in but not besmirched the Mustang name.
The Camaro's fault is packaging. It's ridiculous. Like driving a bathtub. I don't get how that made it into production. The exterior was always on point, but you gotta be able to see out of it.
OMG these kids will believe anything they hear. Good luck Dad!
Nah, that's more of an issue with older people from my experience. Most older people I know think "We could take Russia and China on in ww3" and it's just not the case.
I've learned that older people often have a disasterous combination of arrogance and ignorance. They often don't know as much about the world as they think they do. Yet they're too egotistical to admit when they're wrong.
@@themidnighttavern6784 Thanks for the reply but what in the world are you talking about? Your comment has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. Time to go.
@@rickw.9298 I'm saying you're kind of implying younger people will believe anything they hear, and are gullible. But I'm just saying from my experience, I've seen that the opposite tends to be true.
@@themidnighttavern6784 I'm sure you are a great kid. Though if you're accusing me of being gullible you are out of line. I was defending Dad because his son was spouting nonsense and taking a righteous position with an issue he has little to no experience with. His son fails to see that an opinion of something you don't experience yourself is just an opinion. Which is something you don't force upon someone else.
Something a boomer would call 'he's writing a check with his mouth that his ass can't cash.'
@@rickw.9298 I don't think all old people are gullible, just many of the ones I've met. But I see where you're coming from.
I agree with Roman, the Mach-E is not a mustang nor the "new muscle car". Sports cars are just being faded out for this era. Maybe sedans/wagons and sports cars will make a comeback after the generation of car enthusiasts
Sad.