As a kid, I always wanted to beat the first boss early to keep Angel Island from becoming incinerated, but now I know that that’s not the way the game was programmed to be.
If you're interested in the technicalities, you're technically playing on the Act 2 level data from the moment Angel Island is set aflame, rather than when you actually transition to Act 2 itself. No fire, no level.
2:44 Robotnik is secretly just another robot powered by an animal. I always thought it was funny when you land 256 hits on him, and then when you destroy him he pops like a badnik.
Because Sky Sanctuary is basically act 1 of Death Egg, Death Egg Act 1 is basically act 2, and Death Egg Act 2 is basically Act 3. Death Egg has three acts?
anon-Gaming _YT isn’t that the second Zone of Sonic 1? God I hate that Zone. Interesting concept for a level... in a Zelda Game. Isn’t good for a platformer. If I’m mistaking one Zone for another, just know I hate the second Zone of Sonic one more than anything else.
So basically if you stop Eggman’s assault on Angel Island right then and there at the beginning, the game doesn’t know what to do so it just ends. I find that incredibly funny. Like you just stop the events of S3&K from even happening.
@Stumpedlogs Eggman made a stupidly fucking resisting robot that resisted 1 fall from sky sanctuary A lot of attacks from sonic And tons of hits from knuckles you think that would be hard for eggman make a eggrobo rebuild stuff?
As someone who played through this countless times on Genesis,got older and played through it even more in emulators,with and without debug. I can't believe I sat down to watch this and had a good time.
I’ve always wondered how the game goes if you beat those bosses too early. Imagine if the developers intended to give you a choice on whether you can stop those bosses from causing destruction in each zone early or not, so you can go through Act 2 with completely different levels than what you’re used to, or at least different versions of the same ones. That would actually be really cool!
like in the under of Angel Island, its torched. But if we did it early before it torched the island, Then we could see a non-torched under angel island, then we would the fight the airship while the angel island wasn't torched.
@@georgejakob1451 The Brotherhood of Metallix consists of the countless robot Sonics, both seperate models and mass-produced. Metallix is a general term that all robot Sonic's fall under. But yeah, this is Mecha Sonic. Which in the Archie universe also doubled as the name for Sonic roboticized, Sonic canons are strange...
What happens when you destroy the Marble Garden boss early in Sonic 3 alone? The reason the level scrolls like that in Sonic 3K is due to a bugfix for a crash that can be done in the actual boss using Tails
Man this video is awesome. This is like childhood mystery stuff I always wanted to see.thanks so much for a no nonsense version of this and just showing what happens.
I remember only once, as a kid, beating the Doomsday Zone in 45 seconds. I somehow boosted directly out the astroid field, grabbing all of the rings and but getting hit by an astroid, then had a perfect Eggman missle sequence. I was on the school bus playing on my Sega Nomad... I have never played that stage so perfectly since.
0:03 Fire Breath 0:50 Tunnelbot 1:27 Drill Mobile 2:17 Freezer Mobile 2:39 Egg Mobile (in Twin Hammer boss) 2:55 Beam Rocket (Knuckles) 3:07 Big Arm (Knuckles) 3:21 Jet Mobile 3:41 Barrier Eggman 4:30 Hang Mobile 4:51 Tunnelbot II 5:06 Flying Eggman 5:21 Mecha Sonic 5:50 Red Eye 6:09 Egg Mobile (in Kyodai Eggman Robo boss)
It actually kinda makes sense the Red Eye bursts into an animal, I mean, the eye is so small! Eggman has had to have atleast SOME space in that eye to fit an animal inside.
I didn't think this was possible to do in the game but regardless of that thanks for makeing a video on this very interesting thing happens if you defeat the bosses to early in this game
RedTygon Afaik its because of of michael jackson being involved in the music. Though to be fair now we know due to the recent prototypes released (though we kinda already did) that the pc collection ost was the original sonic 3&k ost and that the music we all know from the genesis version was a late in development change.
maybe its not just about the alegations, maybe there are contracts and sega or the one responsible doesnt want to realease a port/modern version with the original ost. (which i ike better)
*I broke the marble garden act 2 boss by turning super and using debug like as soon as eggman would stick the drill in the ground to transition into the flying part the game would spontaneously crash and restart.*
i remember as a kid always trying to beat the first boss fight in sonic 3 as it actually drives the player to try to beat it because he appeared really fast and made you lose the fight in just a few seconds i would always get so close to beating him but i never could i later found out it was impossible to beat without cheating like bowser's first boss from bowser's inside story also being impossible to beat so it makes sense that i'm not the only person who tried to actually beat this first boss in sonic 3 it's really iconic because it's impossible actually challenges the player early on
So I tested the thing out for myself. If you go to the death plane in the unloaded Act 2 of Angel Island, the game restarts. Right back to the SEGA splash screen.
Well , I dont know anything really technical , But yeah , The game killed it's self [Otherwise a crash . and if you knew , then sorry for being a 5 second waster]
As a kid, I always wanted to beat the first boss early to keep Angel Island from becoming incinerated, but now I know that that’s not the way the game was programmed to be.
Sanssul The Bacon Gamer Oops, let me fix that.
Sanssul The Bacon Gamer lol
@@thenewguyinred Ok let me your ANGLE!
There is another
If you're interested in the technicalities, you're technically playing on the Act 2 level data from the moment Angel Island is set aflame, rather than when you actually transition to Act 2 itself. No fire, no level.
I never realized just how often the bosses would show up mid-act
It's honestly good foreshadowing. Sonic 3 they really tried to make everything connect without the use of locked in cutscenes and thsts really cool.
Ever heard of MINIBOSSES
@@MrMcSirMan He meant that they show up to do one thing then disappear, wow you're sherlock AND watson aint ya?
@@MrMcSirMan Yo, marble garden zone has 2! The main boss and the mini boss
This game was so dang good man.
2:44 Robotnik is secretly just another robot powered by an animal. I always thought it was funny when you land 256 hits on him, and then when you destroy him he pops like a badnik.
Mecha Knuckles 2001 robotnik is a robot not an human he too fat to be an human
@@Rakcid Or too fast to be on that level of fatness
@@Rakcid is that even a word? faness?
It’s a fake!?
2:44
It's eggrobo!
Now I know what will happen if you will destroy Fire Breath before he torches the Island.
My life is complete.
Mine too!
Satisfaction
pop
You and everyone else's lol
Agreed
3:49 Sonic gave Robotnik brain damage and now he’s a motionless vegetable.
lmao
That face tho
Dont try to save the master emerad early or you get robadnik
what
@@vappyenjoyer24 he pops open like a badnik
*UMMMM ITS ROBOTNIK NOT ROBADNIK*
@@simon1334 it's a joke, Eggman/Robotnik pops like a badnik, hence, Robadnik
@@DeskoDev I would woosh so hard into the next dimension but you dont deserve it
4:00 I've never seen robotnik do that face, it's horrifying
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
Even Robotnik doesn't know what's going on
*Sonic Make's Robotnik Has Seizure*
He also makes that face at the end of Death Egg Act 2 when you beat the boss there
Hahaahahah he looks a clown
Answering some of life’s biggest questions
6:10 when your coffee is burning your hand but there is no where to put it down.
So true XD
3:50 robotnik: Nani???!!!!
Sonic has truly become the one punch hedgehog
**Kills the flame blimp in one hit**
Wait, That's Illegal but... Yay, Angel Island is Saved!
**half the island is destroyed**
Sonic: NOOOH!
*SEEEEGAAAA*
ERROR ANGEL ISLAND ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR
It has pixel garbage
flame blimp 😂
I tried to destroy it early, I came pretty close. I managed to land 5 hits
6:13 For a moment, I thought Robotnik would safe drop the Master Emerald into space.
Same
1:02 yeah he literally went through act 1
Because Sky Sanctuary is basically act 1 of Death Egg, Death Egg Act 1 is basically act 2, and Death Egg Act 2 is basically Act 3.
Death Egg has three acts?
@@panzervpanther933you can also count doomsday as a act 4 I guess
4:40 Legend speaks that he still explodes to this day.
EDIT: The boss at 6:12 was his brother
2:24 - Sonic: Nice of him to leave a little something……..
Angel island on fire: Everyone disliked that
Angel island not on fire: Everyone like that
anon-Gaming _YT Angel Island a Black void of death: Everyone disliked that.
Frost Glader Marble Garden a place that most people hate: Everyone HATED that
anon-Gaming _YT isn’t that the second Zone of Sonic 1?
God I hate that Zone. Interesting concept for a level... in a Zelda Game. Isn’t good for a platformer.
If I’m mistaking one Zone for another, just know I hate the second Zone of Sonic one more than anything else.
@@tippymctippersonepsilon1634 ah, thanks for the clarification lol.
3:53
This is why Eggman told Sega to retcon Hyper Sonic from the series.
LOL
So basically if you stop Eggman’s assault on Angel Island right then and there at the beginning, the game doesn’t know what to do so it just ends.
I find that incredibly funny. Like you just stop the events of S3&K from even happening.
@Stumpedlogs the island recovered and the eggrobo rebuilded flying battery as simple as that
@Stumpedlogs Eggman made a stupidly fucking resisting robot that resisted 1 fall from sky sanctuary A lot of attacks from sonic And tons of hits from knuckles you think that would be hard for eggman make a eggrobo rebuild stuff?
3:56 he's suprised
Who could blame him?
@@SilverSonic1992 lol
maltese 84 maybe for comedic purposes?
@@SilverSonic1992 you know in flying battery you can destroy the beam thing above you
@@SilverSonic1992 Even Robotnik doesn't know what's going on
Silver Sonic 1992: *Sends This Video*
SEGA: Wait Thats Ilegal
Channel terminated!
@@SilverSonic1992 Lmao
Sonic and Knuckles get banned form the server.
Reasons: 1 Hitting KO the bosses, Breaking the game, Save Angel island from the fire.
Tails too
Here's the code for the Sonic 3 proto: FGVT-AEWN
Where can I use this code?
@@Matheus_6507 It's a game genie code
TYSM!
Sonic 3 Alone?
@@Tima2oo41o The Sonic 3 prototype.
3:36 For some reason, if this cutscene went like that, it would have looked better.
But then we wouldn't have seen Robotnik smash into a tree!
@@SilverSonic1992 True
As someone who played through this countless times on Genesis,got older and played through it even more in emulators,with and without debug. I can't believe I sat down to watch this and had a good time.
I’ve always wondered how the game goes if you beat those bosses too early. Imagine if the developers intended to give you a choice on whether you can stop those bosses from causing destruction in each zone early or not, so you can go through Act 2 with completely different levels than what you’re used to, or at least different versions of the same ones. That would actually be really cool!
like in the under of Angel Island, its torched. But if we did it early before it torched the island, Then we could see a non-torched under angel island, then we would the fight the airship while the angel island wasn't torched.
6:20
"I'M OUTTA HERE!"
Now i learned eggman torching the island was a act of mercy
5:15 metal sonic: *aight imma head out*
You mean Mecha Sonic.
SuperZombieBros actually you mean Metallix.
@@kingbeef5076 It's Mecha sonic
@@kingbeef5076 Metalix is a (rather generic if you ask me ) rename glad its made for the comic only
@@georgejakob1451 The Brotherhood of Metallix consists of the countless robot Sonics, both seperate models and mass-produced. Metallix is a general term that all robot Sonic's fall under. But yeah, this is Mecha Sonic. Which in the Archie universe also doubled as the name for Sonic roboticized, Sonic canons are strange...
What happens when you destroy the Marble Garden boss early in Sonic 3 alone? The reason the level scrolls like that in Sonic 3K is due to a bugfix for a crash that can be done in the actual boss using Tails
I thought it was obvious that it would simply softlock.
You answered your own question, it would crash in sonic 3 alone
Nice! I had the same kind of idea for this since I found the 1-Hit Bosses code from somewhere, but oh well.
At least ya made this! Good job.
Hey, even though I did it now, some Russian hacker did it a decade before me. So go ahead! I'm sure there's things I missed anyway.
3:47 IMMA FIRIN MAH LA-- Nope! 👷♂️
*LAZAAAH*
*BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH*
Man this video is awesome. This is like childhood mystery stuff I always wanted to see.thanks so much for a no nonsense version of this and just showing what happens.
Aww thanks!
“So THIS is the power of the Chaos Emeralds!”
3:49 that sprite or Dr robotnik creeps the help outta me
*Defeats boss before 2 minutes*
Game: You weren’t supposed to do that
Sonic breaks the laws of physics, and in turn throwing the universe into an inexplicable chaos.
I remember only once, as a kid, beating the Doomsday Zone in 45 seconds. I somehow boosted directly out the astroid field, grabbing all of the rings and but getting hit by an astroid, then had a perfect Eggman missle sequence.
I was on the school bus playing on my Sega Nomad... I have never played that stage so perfectly since.
Pretty true, i was the asteroids
I have seen so many bugs, speedruns, and ROM hacks of this game, and you just showed me something I have truly never seen before.
Hey, what about Robotnik in Hidden Palace Zone when he grabs Knuckles?
I always wanted to beat him before he shocked Knuckles.
He pops like a Badnik and whenever you do a double jump with the Lightning Shield you can see his face in the Sparks that fly out
4:49
legend has it that Eggman is still exploding
and sonic resorted to hacks to be able to advance
Thank you, oh magic algorithm of UA-cam for bringing old Sonic fans since genesis times together
The good ol' days
0:03 Fire Breath
0:50 Tunnelbot
1:27 Drill Mobile
2:17 Freezer Mobile
2:39 Egg Mobile (in Twin Hammer boss)
2:55 Beam Rocket (Knuckles)
3:07 Big Arm (Knuckles)
3:21 Jet Mobile
3:41 Barrier Eggman
4:30 Hang Mobile
4:51 Tunnelbot II
5:06 Flying Eggman
5:21 Mecha Sonic
5:50 Red Eye
6:09 Egg Mobile (in Kyodai Eggman Robo boss)
Breaking Sonic 3 & Knuckles this way makes me happy. :)
2:44 sonic killed eggman
That shocked Eggman face is priceless
Sonic: **destroys bosses early and 1 hit**
Game: you're not supposed to do that
You missed Robotnik in Hidden Palace Zone. He dies in the same way at 2:44 lol
2:45 eggman finally hatched
3:50 Robotnik’s face is horrifying, he’s staring at me with those beady eyes
I am so happy this video exists. 6 year old me would be stoked to see how you can save angle island before it's burned down.
It actually kinda makes sense the Red Eye bursts into an animal, I mean, the eye is so small! Eggman has had to have atleast SOME space in that eye to fit an animal inside.
The soundtrack of Sonic 3 fucking Awesome.
*Alternate title:* OP Sonic in Sonic 3 and Knuckles
So, were these results achieved by modifying RAM values?
6:11 - This vehicle was provided my Michael Bay...
Yep. There's a one-hit boss code.
As was this one: 4:37
i dont know why, but I LOVE to see this game getting bricket/glitched
1:53 I like how the games checkpoint to progress is through flying with tails.
Thank you for making my life complete with that first one.
Music still gives me shivers of nostalgia
5:40 Would’ve been cool if they added an easter egg where if someone exploited something like this, sonic would take the teleporter to Death Egg
Benditø There would be no reason for them to put in the effort, though.
3:49 eggman: surprised pikachu face
Reminds me of Sonic CD, with its quick boss battles. Except that's how that one is meant to be.
I didn't think this was possible to do in the game but regardless of that thanks for makeing a video on this very interesting thing happens if you defeat the bosses to early in this game
Yeah, and what happens if you kill them during intermisions or cutscenes in mid-level.
*destroys the first boss too early*
*proceeds to rip apart the fabric of the universe*
edit: this comment isn't that funny >_>
5:58 man why the eye just pop
It would be really cool if you somehow defeated the boss earlier and got a alternate route with Act 2 being completely different
good job
you managed to save angel island from burning but god damn it you caused a time paradox in the process
Damn this 1 is amazing :o you got some awesome videos you need like more follows now my dude! 'tells all his friends'
I always wondered what would happen if we could achieve this
If you destroy the boss of Angel Island Act 2 before it burns the bridge, the bridge can be saved.
So, does robotnik simply poof when you try to stop him from getting the master emerald ? I wonder what happens with knuckles.
In a Tool Assisted Speedrun, it is actually barely possible to kill the Death Egg Zone Act 2 boss too early. Game soft locks as a result.
Sonic and Tails broke the space-time continuum by defeating the bosses when they weren’t suppose to and now they caused a paradox.
I'd still love to know Why Sega keep ignoring their best game!
RedTygon
Afaik its because of of michael jackson being involved in the music. Though to be fair now we know due to the recent prototypes released (though we kinda already did) that the pc collection ost was the original sonic 3&k ost and that the music we all know from the genesis version was a late in development change.
@@laharl2k I don't understand why that is a bad thing though, the allagations against him were proven false in the end.
maybe its not just about the alegations, maybe there are contracts and sega or the one responsible doesnt want to realease a port/modern version with the original ost. (which i ike better)
Yeah it’s copyright issues with the music
@@RedTygon Those allegations don't mean anything for the copyright. If the estate won't let them use the music, 🤷♂️
*I broke the marble garden act 2 boss by turning super and using debug like as soon as eggman would stick the drill in the ground to transition into the flying part the game would spontaneously crash and restart.*
3:52 Robotnik: Huh? WTF just Happened??? 4:26 Gotta go fast!
3:50 Eggman became paranoid with shock and surprise wondering, "HOW did this hedgehog easily defeat me?"
3:50 Eggman/Robotnik: Curse you, blue hedgehog! What have you done!? That wasn't supposed to happen!
Liked the Concept
5:25 Surprise butt se-- *crunch*
the look on eggmans face after the act 2 miniboss is defeated is so funny
Tails: So NOW how are we gonna get outta here?
" thats what you get for being early kids! "
0:12 FINALLY i get to see that bomber did the first time he shows up
Interesting that they all still have a death animation.
i remember as a kid always trying to beat the first boss fight in sonic 3 as it actually drives the player to try to beat it because he appeared really fast and made you lose the fight in just a few seconds i would always get so close to beating him but i never could i later found out it was impossible to beat without cheating like bowser's first boss from bowser's inside story also being impossible to beat so it makes sense that i'm not the only person who tried to actually beat this first boss in sonic 3 it's really iconic because it's impossible actually challenges the player early on
the axe guy from angel island messes up if you kill him quick too
Turns out, Robotnik was secretly Clucky.
2:44
*o-h looks like we beat the game*
So I tested the thing out for myself. If you go to the death plane in the unloaded Act 2 of Angel Island, the game restarts. Right back to the SEGA splash screen.
Well , I dont know anything really technical , But yeah , The game killed it's self [Otherwise a crash . and if you knew , then sorry for being a 5 second waster]
4:32 which zone is that? I've got that tune stuck in my head but I haven't got all of the song remembered
That is Flying Battery Zone Act 2.
I always wanted to do this
wow. nice i wish this and Sonic and Knuckles were rereleased and remastered for smartphone
0:35 The future has changed.
It's technically possible to beat the first robotnick fight in launch base zone before robotnick ever gets in his machine
*My life Is complete...*
What would happen if you were to fight act 2 bosses in act one?
0:36 Angel Island Zone Act 1.5
0:56 You're using Sonic 3 & Knuckles, correct? Apparently, the scrolling doesn't occur in Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (Standalone). What happens there?
It crashes the game.
@@SilverSonic1992 oh. Welp the more you know!
That was even worse than the island on fire
Mr or Mrs Angle island, If ur not on Fire, Ur lvl just oofs