This is THE DUMBEST space battle in the history of the film making. Period. Lame replica of the worst battles in star wars. All foundation ships were able to jump, but they never did. Neither side had any merit in their tactics. Well, actually, no tactics whatsoever to speak of. Just a dumb collision of brute force. The whole lot on Terminus was supposed to be smarter, than the emperor, but there was not a single second in this show, when this was evident. Overall the foundation bunch on Terminus is represented in this series like a bunch of idiots without slightest hints of agency. Regardless of the fact, that they are supposed to be the brightest minds of the galaxy. Writers of this scenario have no fantasy and no tactical merit whatsoever. They just copy things that they have seen elsewhere and pack it into a weird costume drama. Without understanding, what the original writings were about. An insult to the story created by Isaac Asimov.
It's been a long minute since I've read the original trilogy (need to correct that), but I think by the time the Empire actually came to blows with the Foundation, the former had forgotten even how most of its systems worked. Foundation ships were advanced, but what won the day was the fact that the Empire had stagnated and hadn't fought an actual war in nearly forever. And was so intellectually backward that the Foundation was able to start a Cult Mechanicus.
I wouldn't say the Empire had "forgot how its systems worked", rather there was a dearth of trained engineers, so the designs of the newer ships was far worse than the older ones, and they had a lot of trouble keeping them in service. Simply because of its immense scale, the Empire's fleet still had far greater firepower than that of the Federation, and Bel Riose had superior grasp of strategy and tactics compared to the inexperienced Foundation navy.
The thing that defeated Bel Riose wasn't The Foundation and their technology, it was the forces of sociology and politics, with the Emperor back on Trantor being unable to tolerate a strong and capable underling who could potentially supplant him and take the throne for himself. Bel Rios, was rolling over the Foundation navy, carving a path to Terminus, until the Emperor yanks his chain and has him executed for treason.
@@weldonwin Yep, I remember that. Empires can be efficient and powerful, but the more power that rests on the shoulders of one person, the more that person grows paranoid that someone will take it.
The foundation won because of politics. The empire won the war. Because of that bel rios was a threat to the emperor. Who then had bel arested and executed.
Is curious that, while the trireme class warships (the standard ones like the Aegis and the ones that bombarded anacreon and thespis) are designed "verticaly" and operate in that position, the Destiny only appears to position itself "verticaly" while jumping, lies and seems to be designed to operate "horizontally" (All of this, in reference, we can't forget that is space at the end of the day). Also i would like to see where the ship's bridge is located. A high resolution model will be awesome, of the destiny and the Switchback fighters.
@@davidrajtr8332 Well, that's a good posibility, since smaller ships don't have hangars, they can operate vertically without issues. Having the destiny operating vertically would need a good amount of elevators.
@@Arhiman93 When they fire the main gun at the Invictus, the view from the bridge shows the beam coming from just to the left of the window. My guess is the bridge is immediately to starboard from the ring around the drive core.
Very well presented - the slight technical superiority of the Foundation. And the battle-hardened superiority of Empire. Great casting - the hot shots and battle-experienced pilots on Empire's side. And the insecure but technically superior fighters on the Foundation side. An equal game. I love it.
The Empire has been fighting rebellions and civil wars since long before Seldon was even born. Even with the technical stagnation and eventual regression in the Empire, they still have that experience that no one in the Foundation has.
The Empire have like...thousand big-ass ships around the planet and they send these small one-seated fighter/attacker ships to attack the enemy's mothership? And he is supposed to be like a really great general. OK, let me checking reddit real quick, why Empire didn't use all ships to attack the Invictus...no one ask this question yet? Just gonna put it here then.
I seem to remember them saying then invictus was one of the greatest warships ever made and it was a planet killer (not counting falling into a planet to kill it) yet it got destroyed by some puny fighters
This battle made little sense, the technologically advanced foundation with the most power ship ever did not even manage to damage even one imperial capital ship, just a few fighters😂
@@drrohanjacob yes it made no sense since in season 1 invinctus 1 shot Anacreon and thespin corvets when they found the invictus and that was before all it’s upgrades. But hari said the foundation will survie against all odds so I think hari somehow teleported everyone Just Bedford invictus hit or the mentalics arrived at terminus and caused an illusion in everyone’s head that they destroyed foundation because it’s confirmed that salvor and gaals story is happening quite a bit of time before terminus is destroyed
@@tiagojohannes5920 I really hope so. Else we have foundation with out foundation I know they are not following the books and some of their changes like the genetic dynasty were good and it was at least good scifi till this point. This was bad scifi.
@@drrohanjacob I was interesting I find and visually stunning and if u go back and listen to the music when invictus is falling on terminus it’s really good but it didn’t make sense to end terminus just like that since hari said that if they were to go to war then they would beat the imperium and notice how when invictus was being pushed into the planet it didn’t move or try to jump? I think the crew had been teleported away some how maybe with Hober mallows bracelet thing. I still think gaal and salvor got there with the mentalics and cast an illusion in all their minds so they leave terminus alone
Lol why are people so upset by this? You must all be boomer losers. This is real scifi not garbage realist stuff. Stands to reason they'd have actual people in ships
You could argue it's not necessary. The bigger issue is there are pilots in the first place. With this kind of technology pretty much certain they would be redundant.
It would be very useful for the pilots of the spaceships to be wearing protective suits. Doesn’t help for cinematography but would help your spaceman from being killed due to hull breaches 😊
Was thinking the same, also belts on those chairs that seem to bend as well, not a very safe environment for a pilot at all, only for one that doesn't intend to return
Did you actually read the books? Because fights between the Foundation and Empire did happen, so i have no clue what you are upset about here. Also, “Master Asimov”? Are you one of those weirdos that think an adaptation needs to follow the original text to the letter? How unimaginitive.
This “adaptation” fucking sucked. And NO, it’s not like the book at all other than the same name used for some characters. The dialogue is laughably stupid 😂
I like how the pilots miss a great deal of their shot here. And also how they fire in short volley that make the chase more believable. It give a feeling of realism that feels nice.
The ships look like they are made out of hobby store plexiglass. I guess when you're a space ferring world you need big windows to see everything around you. Lol... Nevermind the coldness of deep space and the radiation.
I have only read the books years ago and didn't give a try to this tv-show yet, so in the book it is like this: A young, competent Empire's Admiral sees the 150 years old, small, but inventive Foundation as a growing threat to the declining Empire. He does launch an "invasion" to Foundation space with 6 or so top-of-the-line battleships. The Foundation is slowly loosing ground. Eventually the Admiral's fleet is called off as he himself was recognized as a growing threat to the Emperor and nobles. During one of the dialogs between him and a protagonist from the Foundation it is explained to him, that no matter what his actions were or will be, he will lose. If he brought a single battleship, it would be destroyed alongside with him. If he brought an entire Imperial navy, he would lose due to internal strife and questioning, why he wasted resources on such an insignificant mini-Empire made out of a handful of planets, when there are Imperial systems rebeling against the Emperor's will. Empire at this point was well past the golden, let alone pro-expansion policies. Elites were ripping what powers they could or themselves and a competent, strong, to their will unbending admiral, be it a loyal patriot, was too much to be left unrestrained.
@@petrpinc7695 I loved the book version of this conflict. While the show looks cool I feel like it's missing the "weight of history" that psychohistory in the books was based on. In the show they rely so much on individuals that psychohistory feels really flimsy at best.
@@Luthies well, if we consider the overall "individualism", which Americans get for breakfast, lunch and double portion for dinner as they grow up, then I am not surprised US adaptation story characters are more important, than overall galactic society's circumstances, that play a mayor role in psychohistory.
Prior Art issue so convoluted to consider how Asimov in of 1940s "Astounding" had Korelian filmed as Corelian, hyperdrive jumps dangerously close to a planet, hyperdrive motivators, Trantor filmed as Coruscant, Avakim filmed as Anakin, Hober Mallow filmed as Han Solo, same uniforms of Galactic Imperialium, deleted galactic maps, etc. Even director of Apple TV + production and "Locus" have noticed how "Star Wars" was plagiarized from Asimov's "Foundation" "Princess Leia" was plagiarized from Arthur C. Clarke's "Cosmic Casanova". Other sci fi plagiarized by "Star Wars" could be a whole book to remember how Vogt was able to prove Prior Art on Riddley Scott over "Alien"{(1979) since even Trekkie episodes were plagiarized from Heinlein and Kipling.
How stupid does one have to be to not realize that when a show or movie does this whole "space battles with sound in the vacuum of space", that it's only done so as a shorthand for the audience who would otherwise not get the impact of a battle if it was happening in silence? Also, how stupid does presumably that same guy have to be to go looking for scientific accuracy in a Science FICTION show in which people have personal force field protective auras and they can manipulate singularities to fold space for faster than light travel? Oh, there you are... Hi Guy!!!!!
@@Cbricklyne How stupid does one have to be to go to all that length to defend a point of artistic license that in five years will no longer be remembered? Oh! There you are! Hi, guy!
Oh and that thing is now 17 / 0 since you guys cheated... It's not an actual game... this place is actually real.... it was just a measurement for morality / karma... Like the aliens or spirits explained already.... I got a weird piece of cardboard with your "wins" crossed out of box for boots from Mark's
Its good fantasy movie but im so hate how bacwards technologi is there.... They literary have Stuff like nanobots but still most of the people live in rusty sheads ...... Its nonsencical to the point absurdity..... Closest to the futuristic powerty was cloud atlass where you can see extremely clean borderline perfect enviroments but still empty whit everything else being projection. This is how it shud be nanobots shud keep everything EXTREMELY CLEAN shining and perfect. And technological advance shud be exponential not slowing down..... Entire premise of foundation is retarded to ..... why choose knowledge??? Just build thousands of bunkers everywere whit ALL THE KNOWLEDGE..... Your nanobots can easili keep it working for thousands of years ..... All you need to find is best locations for those valuts...... ITs so simple that its getting absurd again,......
The premise of foundation is found in the books, and from what you said, probably not well presented in the TV series. It is about psychology. Consider this, if you work, would you like it if pple tell you that you are not doing a good job? How would most pple react to such? In context, the central govt (and Emperor) are not doing a good job, thus the gradual fall of the civilization. Telling them to build bunkers of knowledge is the same as outright saying that. Which they will charge you with treason. That is exactly what is Foundation is trying to do (build bunkers of knowledge), and how the conflict (seen as rebels) thus began.
actualy if we ever did space battles with small fighters it will be back to the dog fighting style because in space the only way to actually land a hit on a small fast target is at very very close range, the only reliable long range weapon would be missiles but they cant be too fast or they will overshot their targets all the time so a simple point defense system will render those useless. only big space ships can do long range combat and even then it would take insane calculations to land a hit, and the further the target is the less chance u have to hit it even with the best computers running the numbers. even energy-based weapons would be hard put to land hits in space on moving tagets because lasers are just stupid and easy to defend against (reflective surfaces come to mind) and plasma moves slower than light speed and these are the only energy based weapons we can actually create in reality.
What's the point of wearing flight suits when Imperial officers can jump to and from planets, and have and nanobots in their blood that are shown to keep them alive from falling from space or their craft exploding? This is Foundation-era tech. Flight suits would have been EXTREMELY silly.
@@adamofblastworks1517 I mean its like the Empire and Jericho skirmish , I would say Federation but the Empire's enemy are using drones ( unmanned fighters, more like interceptors) but the Jericho were like Space Cyberpunk and the Federations were aristocrats-like
Nice looking spacecraft, dynamic battle scene, but totaly unrealistic no space battle is ever going to be fought like a WW11 fighter battle. See the space battles in The Expanse for an idea of what it might actualy be like.
if you dont add the sound effects its rather boring now isnt it, never mind the pilots in those fighters having no G Forces oh wait they have inertia dampeners thats why
For great designs of the ships we sure don't get to see a decent space battle. They are saying the invictus didn't maneuver, didn't close and engage the deliverance. And that the envelopment ships didn't come in to engage the invictus. I like foundation but the military shown in it are so silly.
This battle was anti climatic. They lost so badly and they had over a century to prepare for it and still end up defeated when the empire didn't even improve on anything.
even in stellaris game , i had 150 + years to prep for a war with an empire , and i had more capital ships , figthers and scores of army troops to defeat an empire 15 times over compared to this 😂. I think apple TV has been exposed of lazy script writing ., it doesnt explain the 150 plus years prep time , even one episode (which i watched) where theyre psuedo tech priest (which ironically wears red) says that all the SHIPS they prepared are EXPENSIVE seriously that what happens when you dont faithfully adapt to the book , result is lazy script writing and a TON OF PLOT HOLES ., its so bad , i might as well think that apple tv might have hired disney writers 😂😂😂
I really like that they are all without any personal protective equipment. Any smoke, a hole in the hull, failure of artificial gravity, dynamic impact, all this leads to the death of the crew of any ship shown in this video. That is, we are simply facing suicide bombers, they have two options - either complete integrity of the ship and victory, or the slightest malfunction and death.
Has there ever been an air battle where both sides fly directly at eachother? I am under the impression that this kind of engagement is always avoided, because it is much less favorable than disengaging and looking to surprise the enemy another time.
Lasers? Rockets? To hell with it all! We will fight in space the way our distant ancestors did on their piston planes, because it's cool!
This is THE DUMBEST space battle in the history of the film making. Period. Lame replica of the worst battles in star wars. All foundation ships were able to jump, but they never did. Neither side had any merit in their tactics. Well, actually, no tactics whatsoever to speak of. Just a dumb collision of brute force. The whole lot on Terminus was supposed to be smarter, than the emperor, but there was not a single second in this show, when this was evident.
Overall the foundation bunch on Terminus is represented in this series like a bunch of idiots without slightest hints of agency. Regardless of the fact, that they are supposed to be the brightest minds of the galaxy. Writers of this scenario have no fantasy and no tactical merit whatsoever. They just copy things that they have seen elsewhere and pack it into a weird costume drama. Without understanding, what the original writings were about. An insult to the story created by Isaac Asimov.
To be fair, the original books were dumber than soup.
It's been a long minute since I've read the original trilogy (need to correct that), but I think by the time the Empire actually came to blows with the Foundation, the former had forgotten even how most of its systems worked. Foundation ships were advanced, but what won the day was the fact that the Empire had stagnated and hadn't fought an actual war in nearly forever. And was so intellectually backward that the Foundation was able to start a Cult Mechanicus.
Yep. Also, Terminus was never destroyed.
I wouldn't say the Empire had "forgot how its systems worked", rather there was a dearth of trained engineers, so the designs of the newer ships was far worse than the older ones, and they had a lot of trouble keeping them in service. Simply because of its immense scale, the Empire's fleet still had far greater firepower than that of the Federation, and Bel Riose had superior grasp of strategy and tactics compared to the inexperienced Foundation navy.
The thing that defeated Bel Riose wasn't The Foundation and their technology, it was the forces of sociology and politics, with the Emperor back on Trantor being unable to tolerate a strong and capable underling who could potentially supplant him and take the throne for himself. Bel Rios, was rolling over the Foundation navy, carving a path to Terminus, until the Emperor yanks his chain and has him executed for treason.
@@weldonwin Yep, I remember that. Empires can be efficient and powerful, but the more power that rests on the shoulders of one person, the more that person grows paranoid that someone will take it.
The foundation won because of politics. The empire won the war. Because of that bel rios was a threat to the emperor. Who then had bel arested and executed.
I love the look of the Imperial flagship. I wish there was a model of it available
Is curious that, while the trireme class warships (the standard ones like the Aegis and the ones that bombarded anacreon and thespis) are designed "verticaly" and operate in that position, the Destiny only appears to position itself "verticaly" while jumping, lies and seems to be designed to operate "horizontally" (All of this, in reference, we can't forget that is space at the end of the day).
Also i would like to see where the ship's bridge is located. A high resolution model will be awesome, of the destiny and the Switchback fighters.
@@Arhiman93 Due hangars, its only reason why its operated horizontally.
@@davidrajtr8332 Well, that's a good posibility, since smaller ships don't have hangars, they can operate vertically without issues. Having the destiny operating vertically would need a good amount of elevators.
@@Arhiman93 When they fire the main gun at the Invictus, the view from the bridge shows the beam coming from just to the left of the window. My guess is the bridge is immediately to starboard from the ring around the drive core.
@@Sirithil Yeah, that's also my guess, that it would be just under the main core, if the destiny was standing vertically.
Oh god, i love the Switchback fighters design. So simple and elegant, yet so maneuverable.
I'd add seatbelts, though.
They copied it from a game though :/
@@Sush1ft From what game? I'm curious to see how similar they're.
Would not work in a actual space battle since it is silhouette a lot.
@@Arhiman93 the MISC Reliant Tana from Star Citizen, if not copied then definitely the inspiration for the ship
Range of weapons: 100 meters or so?
Stupid and boring, WW2 replay.
Very well presented - the slight technical superiority of the Foundation. And the battle-hardened superiority of Empire. Great casting - the hot shots and battle-experienced pilots on Empire's side. And the insecure but technically superior fighters on the Foundation side. An equal game. I love it.
The Empire has been fighting rebellions and civil wars since long before Seldon was even born. Even with the technical stagnation and eventual regression in the Empire, they still have that experience that no one in the Foundation has.
Good point. Only thing I missed is scale. This is basically the battle of the Foundation's future and its decided by what, 20 fighter ships?
Love that 90% of the space battle is seeing the pilots faces…..
The Empire have like...thousand big-ass ships around the planet and they send these small one-seated fighter/attacker ships to attack the enemy's mothership?
And he is supposed to be like a really great general.
OK, let me checking reddit real quick, why Empire didn't use all ships to attack the Invictus...no one ask this question yet?
Just gonna put it here then.
Power of the Plot compels you... to grab idiot ball and run with it to the very end.
Because in the book the General smash all opponents, without problem, including the ships of the Foundation.
I seem to remember them saying then invictus was one of the greatest warships ever made and it was a planet killer (not counting falling into a planet to kill it) yet it got destroyed by some puny fighters
This battle made little sense, the technologically advanced foundation with the most power ship ever did not even manage to damage even one imperial capital ship, just a few fighters😂
@@drrohanjacob yes it made no sense since in season 1 invinctus 1 shot Anacreon and thespin corvets when they found the invictus and that was before all it’s upgrades. But hari said the foundation will survie against all odds so I think hari somehow teleported everyone Just Bedford invictus hit or the mentalics arrived at terminus and caused an illusion in everyone’s head that they destroyed foundation because it’s confirmed that salvor and gaals story is happening quite a bit of time before terminus is destroyed
@@tiagojohannes5920 I really hope so.
Else we have foundation with out foundation
I know they are not following the books and some of their changes like the genetic dynasty were good and it was at least good scifi till this point.
This was bad scifi.
@@drrohanjacob I was interesting I find and visually stunning and if u go back and listen to the music when invictus is falling on terminus it’s really good but it didn’t make sense to end terminus just like that since hari said that if they were to go to war then they would beat the imperium and notice how when invictus was being pushed into the planet it didn’t move or try to jump? I think the crew had been teleported away some how maybe with Hober mallows bracelet thing. I still think gaal and salvor got there with the mentalics and cast an illusion in all their minds so they leave terminus alone
@@tiagojohannes5920 Spectacle over story always concerns me,its how we got season 8 of GOT.
I hope they explain everything
Man this looks nice... Though it is rather boring. Worst part is, however, this just has nothing much to do with the books really...
How many 100'0s of years in the future and space ship fights are still fought at visual range and look like WW2 dog fights ?
Bc of Starwars bullshit
@@loc27gth44 Well more the inverse, star wars came out after the Foundation books.
@@gregoryborton6598 You misinterpreted my comment. star wars was released before the foundation "adaptations"
They should just meet on a planet and fight with swords. would be less silly than this!
Lol why are people so upset by this? You must all be boomer losers. This is real scifi not garbage realist stuff. Stands to reason they'd have actual people in ships
no helmet, no pilot suits, right
You could argue it's not necessary. The bigger issue is there are pilots in the first place. With this kind of technology pretty much certain they would be redundant.
They turned Foundation into a cheapo Star Wars ripoff, wow...
The music when the imperial fighters take off fits so well, gives me goosebumps every time
The track is called "Bel & Glawen" if you're interested. I posted the same comment with a link to the track, but it was deleted.
worst space battle I've ever seen. Every cliche.
I question their flight suits and their lack of environmental hazmat gear.
I thought the same, but mostly about ...seatbelts.
It would be very useful for the pilots of the spaceships to be wearing protective suits. Doesn’t help for cinematography but would help your spaceman from being killed due to hull breaches 😊
Was thinking the same, also belts on those chairs that seem to bend as well, not a very safe environment for a pilot at all, only for one that doesn't intend to return
Have the creators ever read Master Asimov's masterpieces? Because this has nothing to do with the Foundation...
Did you actually read the books? Because fights between the Foundation and Empire did happen, so i have no clue what you are upset about here. Also, “Master Asimov”? Are you one of those weirdos that think an adaptation needs to follow the original text to the letter? How unimaginitive.
This “adaptation” fucking sucked. And NO, it’s not like the book at all other than the same name used for some characters. The dialogue is laughably stupid 😂
It’s not exactly like the book but I personally enjoy the series better
@@Vim-eo2zythey’re different
A dogfight??? This is so dumb. They should have looked at the expanse
Funny, none of that happened in the books either.
I like how the pilots miss a great deal of their shot here. And also how they fire in short volley that make the chase more believable.
It give a feeling of realism that feels nice.
That looks rubbish.
Pilots in spacecraft not wearing pressure suits?
I just love space so much this show just had the best visuals
What a bad scene.
This looks terrible
Nice to see the UEE using MISC Reliants
is that a motherfucking star citizen reference?
space dogfights are pretty cringe
They can barely hit anything at all, how are they suppose to target something so small ... some very dumb writing.
This is just as Asimov didn’t describe…
lol they be doing the most ridiculous manouvers while not even wearing seatbelts.
What an insane waste of budget this disgrace of a show this is :(
The ships look like they are made out of hobby store plexiglass. I guess when you're a space ferring world you need big windows to see everything around you. Lol... Nevermind the coldness of deep space and the radiation.
New generations would know nothing about Asimov's true legacy.
Have his books disappeared or what?
I read the books because of the series, so no.
Asimov was kinda stinky. Just a technophobe hiding in a scifi body
even now this battle made no sense. todays episode will be a revelation
I am so excited! I will be uploading more important scenes from the finale.
So uh, were the rest of the Imperial Fleet enjoying the 4th of July in space or something.
Probably trying and failing to hold down the rest of the galaxy.
I have only read the books years ago and didn't give a try to this tv-show yet, so in the book it is like this:
A young, competent Empire's Admiral sees the 150 years old, small, but inventive Foundation as a growing threat to the declining Empire. He does launch an "invasion" to Foundation space with 6 or so top-of-the-line battleships. The Foundation is slowly loosing ground. Eventually the Admiral's fleet is called off as he himself was recognized as a growing threat to the Emperor and nobles.
During one of the dialogs between him and a protagonist from the Foundation it is explained to him, that no matter what his actions were or will be, he will lose. If he brought a single battleship, it would be destroyed alongside with him. If he brought an entire Imperial navy, he would lose due to internal strife and questioning, why he wasted resources on such an insignificant mini-Empire made out of a handful of planets, when there are Imperial systems rebeling against the Emperor's will. Empire at this point was well past the golden, let alone pro-expansion policies. Elites were ripping what powers they could or themselves and a competent, strong, to their will unbending admiral, be it a loyal patriot, was too much to be left unrestrained.
@@petrpinc7695 I loved the book version of this conflict. While the show looks cool I feel like it's missing the "weight of history" that psychohistory in the books was based on. In the show they rely so much on individuals that psychohistory feels really flimsy at best.
@@Luthies well, if we consider the overall "individualism", which Americans get for breakfast, lunch and double portion for dinner as they grow up, then I am not surprised US adaptation story characters are more important, than overall galactic society's circumstances, that play a mayor role in psychohistory.
Yea, WWII style fighter space battle may looked cool in 1970's scifi, but today ? We are entering drone age now, this thing just look stupid.
Which is why Star Wars was garbage from the beginning but nobody will admit that.
@@xnyxiee1784lmao ok troll
Pull over let's see your pilot license
Poorly designed fighters
The visuals are quite impressive.
In space, where noone knows that missiles exist.
c'est tellement "star wars" ces combats spatiaux et tellement irréaliste.
Feel like another version of Backstreet Boy MV 😐
Either space fighters move at car speed of pilot experience 1000's of G.
the Empire Star Fighters remind me of the ones from that Lost In Space movie
They certainly do look like them
i really wish they didn't like, make space combat so dull in probably one of the greatest sci fi epics out there
building for a fight with empire for like 150 years and they have like 8 fighters and a ship they got 150 years ago, wow, impressed
my guy this show is on a budget of 45m $
I mean, they kinda explain it in the final episode.
@@selor8151 Even star wars did large scale battles decides ago. CGI isn't real. Not sure why your making excuses for ball dropping.
@@connormachin151 please enlighten
@@Cottam89 They weren't supposed to win...
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"Star Wars" was copied from "Foundation" so "Foundation" copied from "Star Wars".
But only the bad parts
Prior Art issue so convoluted to consider how Asimov in of 1940s "Astounding" had Korelian filmed as Corelian, hyperdrive jumps dangerously close to a planet, hyperdrive motivators, Trantor filmed as Coruscant, Avakim filmed as Anakin, Hober Mallow filmed as Han Solo, same uniforms of Galactic Imperialium, deleted galactic maps, etc.
Even director of Apple TV + production and "Locus" have noticed how "Star Wars" was plagiarized from Asimov's "Foundation"
"Princess Leia" was plagiarized from Arthur C. Clarke's "Cosmic Casanova".
Other sci fi plagiarized by "Star Wars" could be a whole book to remember how Vogt was able to prove Prior Art on Riddley Scott over "Alien"{(1979) since even Trekkie episodes were plagiarized from Heinlein and Kipling.
Lol.. imagine thinking this trash is better
still questioning how the foundation managed to manufacture their own ship design
no mask, no belt ?
Never even heard of Foundation before and I love sci-fi stuff.
Why does the acting look so cringe on this show? I read the books, didn't even know there was a show
It's amazing how much sound there is in space! The air must be really thick out there!
Like Star Wars ? Star TREK ? AND ALMOST EVERY MOVIE OR SHOW ON SPACE ?
There is a reason why they call it " Space Opera"
Oh, so there is singing, too?@@patrickkenyon2326
How stupid does one have to be to not realize that when a show or movie does this whole "space battles with sound in the vacuum of space", that it's only done so as a shorthand for the audience who would otherwise not get the impact of a battle if it was happening in silence?
Also, how stupid does presumably that same guy have to be to go looking for scientific accuracy in a Science FICTION show in which people have personal force field protective auras and they can manipulate singularities to fold space for faster than light travel?
Oh, there you are...
Hi Guy!!!!!
@@Cbricklyne How stupid does one have to be to go to all that length to defend a point of artistic license that in five years will no longer be remembered?
Oh! There you are!
Hi, guy!
It's great how they sucked Empire into letting down his guard by letting this battle play out this way.
is that... lost in space?
Oh and that thing is now 17 / 0 since you guys cheated...
It's not an actual game... this place is actually real.... it was just a measurement for morality / karma...
Like the aliens or spirits explained already.... I got a weird piece of cardboard with your "wins" crossed out of box for boots from Mark's
Ну почему же в будущем такие тупые инженеры? Космические корабли,технологии,всё есть,а самонаводящегося оружия нету
Those switchbacks really remind me of the Gallente Hecate from Eve Online.
Me: and this is why even with all the firepower you need good training to win
this is some good star wars..
Boring, generic space battles based on the tired trope of ww2 dogfighting. Asimov must be rolling in his grave.
Its good fantasy movie but im so hate how bacwards technologi is there.... They literary have Stuff like nanobots but still most of the people live in rusty sheads ......
Its nonsencical to the point absurdity.....
Closest to the futuristic powerty was cloud atlass where you can see extremely clean borderline perfect enviroments but still empty whit everything else being projection.
This is how it shud be nanobots shud keep everything EXTREMELY CLEAN shining and perfect.
And technological advance shud be exponential not slowing down.....
Entire premise of foundation is retarded to ..... why choose knowledge??? Just build thousands of bunkers everywere whit ALL THE KNOWLEDGE.....
Your nanobots can easili keep it working for thousands of years .....
All you need to find is best locations for those valuts......
ITs so simple that its getting absurd again,......
The premise of foundation is found in the books, and from what you said, probably not well presented in the TV series. It is about psychology.
Consider this, if you work, would you like it if pple tell you that you are not doing a good job? How would most pple react to such? In context, the central govt (and Emperor) are not doing a good job, thus the gradual fall of the civilization. Telling them to build bunkers of knowledge is the same as outright saying that. Which they will charge you with treason. That is exactly what is Foundation is trying to do (build bunkers of knowledge), and how the conflict (seen as rebels) thus began.
I read all the Foundation books a few times. This doesn't happen.
actualy if we ever did space battles with small fighters it will be back to the dog fighting style because in space the only way to actually land a hit on a small fast target is at very very close range, the only reliable long range weapon would be missiles but they cant be too fast or they will overshot their targets all the time so a simple point defense system will render those useless.
only big space ships can do long range combat and even then it would take insane calculations to land a hit, and the further the target is the less chance u have to hit it even with the best computers running the numbers.
even energy-based weapons would be hard put to land hits in space on moving tagets because lasers are just stupid and easy to defend against (reflective surfaces come to mind) and plasma moves slower than light speed and these are the only energy based weapons we can actually create in reality.
Even the fucking empire had flight suits
There are many things you can criticize the Galactic Empire (Star Wars) for. Having their pilots wear space suits isn't one of them.
What's the point of wearing flight suits when Imperial officers can jump to and from planets, and have and nanobots in their blood that are shown to keep them alive from falling from space or their craft exploding? This is Foundation-era tech. Flight suits would have been EXTREMELY silly.
They have all this technology, but assisted aiming isn't a thing.
Combat pilots in the future don't need seat belts or helmets. Nice.
“I thought these arseholes were supposed to be merchants?”
- clearly someone has never done business in the outer rim territories.
i almost finishe with the expanse season 6 , this looks promising for my new series to watch.
ah... Star Conflict thing
Star Comflict?! Do you play that too?
Or do you mean that as a generic-ized or knockoff title?
@@adamofblastworks1517 I mean its like the Empire and Jericho skirmish , I would say Federation but the Empire's enemy are using drones ( unmanned fighters, more like interceptors) but the Jericho were like Space Cyberpunk and the Federations were aristocrats-like
Nice looking spacecraft, dynamic battle scene, but totaly unrealistic no space battle is ever going to be fought like a WW11 fighter battle. See the space battles in The Expanse for an idea of what it might actualy be like.
at least fighters are dogfighting, not huge starships :)
This is reminiscent of a Star Wars dogfight
This is so bad compared to the expanse battles
I cant be the only one who thought this was a rubbish battle
“Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.”
― Isaac Asimov, Foundation
Yet they concluded s1 with big dakka. The insult was great, will never watch the s2 ever
There was plenty of violence in the books, despite Hardin’s sayings.
There is no sound in vacuum, Fail.
"We can take me they're farmers"
Literally no one gets hit
"OH MAH GAWD BUT THEYRE FARMERS HOW THEY SO GOOD"
This is the crap apple fans eat
Oops! Prepare to counter, not castle!
Lol and people criticize Star Wars for having sound in space
Yep, well that's because Star Wars ain't woke.
These dynamic dogfight scenes are refreshing to see & feel more like Star Wars than that in the recent movies
if you dont add the sound effects its rather boring now isnt it, never mind the pilots in those fighters having no G Forces oh wait they have inertia dampeners thats why
Mass Effect solution: Sound emulators!
Weird they wouldn't wear some kind of space suit incase of a breach
If there was a breach they'd die anyways so why have the suit
What Series is This? Name Please?
This is looks Awesome!!!
Foundation on Apple TV
what show is this ??
For great designs of the ships we sure don't get to see a decent space battle. They are saying the invictus didn't maneuver, didn't close and engage the deliverance. And that the envelopment ships didn't come in to engage the invictus. I like foundation but the military shown in it are so silly.
this show is so dumb
Nice Star Wars...Just a question...Where is Asimov?
This battle was anti climatic. They lost so badly and they had over a century to prepare for it and still end up defeated when the empire didn't even improve on anything.
even in stellaris game , i had 150 + years to prep for a war with an empire , and i had more capital ships , figthers and scores of army troops to defeat an empire 15 times over compared to this 😂. I think apple TV has been exposed of lazy script writing ., it doesnt explain the 150 plus years prep time , even one episode (which i watched) where theyre psuedo tech priest (which ironically wears red) says that all the SHIPS they prepared are EXPENSIVE
seriously that what happens when you dont faithfully adapt to the book , result is lazy script writing and a TON OF PLOT HOLES ., its so bad , i might as well think that apple tv might have hired disney writers 😂😂😂
omg, such a downgrade, it looks like show director stuck in mid 80-s
The Foundation: Full Coverage
I really like that they are all without any personal protective equipment. Any smoke, a hole in the hull, failure of artificial gravity, dynamic impact, all this leads to the death of the crew of any ship shown in this video. That is, we are simply facing suicide bombers, they have two options - either complete integrity of the ship and victory, or the slightest malfunction and death.
What is this
Has there ever been an air battle where both sides fly directly at eachother? I am under the impression that this kind of engagement is always avoided, because it is much less favorable than disengaging and looking to surprise the enemy another time.
It does not take me in the wrong sense.
Those mini ships in the minute 0.07 are not cool.
I hate the fact that they chose to show an annoying dog fight dynamic, instead of something more interesting like a modern day missiles ingagement
Взорвать боеприпасы с шрапнелью и сразу решить незначительную помеху в виде мелких целей .?
meh
Where those sound of fire coming form 🧐
Is there a reason the pilots have no protective gear at all?
Бой в стиле второй мировой войны в космосе. Иными словами - идиотизм.