I have consulted the Prime Radiant. There will be a 3rd season... but only if you like and subscribe 😂😂 Foundation Season 1 Ending Explained: ua-cam.com/video/S40H6eClxyc/v-deo.htmlsi=2Bc8c2RfZ3sI0mdx
the mule is going to be tallems consciousness after bouncing around a bit. that b word is disturbed, out to kill the normies and pissed she isn't the leader any longer.
Nope, I don’t think so. Two years ago Apple announced there will be a second season even before episode 4 of season 1 was released. The second season is complete for over a week and still no announcement for a third. I think this is for the best. The story lines about the Genetic Dynastic was really interesting, but the rest of this show was utter garbage. Mostly bad actors, nonsensical story lines and plot twists that apparently some 5 year old had written, when they were drunk. They should cancel this shit, so Isaac Asimov doesn‘t have to spin in his grave anymore.
I honestly didn't think I'd get back into any Sci Fi after Raised by Wolves was cancelled but this has restored my faith that there can be another fantastic show! This series just continues to get better every episode and the performances are epic! Demerzel is by far my favourite and I'm heartbroken for her and hope S3 she can finally get the freedom she truly craves. Brilliant ending, absolutely brilliant 👏👏👏
Oh, Raised by Wolves is dead? Not sure how I feel about that, it was a interresting show but it certainly triggerd many awful feelings. This show however I am glad I have found, while I am also irked here a little by the science turning into religion angle. The ending thankfully got no nuance of that except maybe the Hari-1 Deaus-Ex machina of saving everyone on the planet. Just not Hober and the Boyfriend, sadly out of reach I guess.
the Wolves series had a good 1st season, the 2nd season had poor writers have the characters stuck on the planet the whole time!it quickly got Westworlditis, by the story never leaving the place and characters fighting/helping each other the time they had left!
@@cinnamonstar808season 1 is meh season 2 improved by alot i loved how they humanized demerzel even more and gaal and foundation storyline also got good and finally Dawn got happy ending
I’m a big fan of Asimov’s 7-book Foundation series. I’ve read it many times. I’ve also seen podcast interviews of Goyer. Goyer’s show is not following the books very closely. He has chosen to change quite a few of Asimov’s characters, plots twists, and scenes. So I don’t think telling you what the books contain is “spoiling” the show.
Read the books years and years ago and this adaptation is great. While trying to sometimes fit too much to too little time (in my opinion), it still works and I love it. The latter half of season 2 was just excellent (Have to mention that my countrywoman Finnish Laura Birn as the android 'Eto Demerzel' really shines and makes the character believable.)
Agree whole heartedly about Laura Birn. Her "facial" acting is without a doubt the most emotive and telling of any actor I have ever seen. Her expressions, as subtle as they are, are not for her fellow characters to engage with as they are for us the audience to glimpse into one of the most complex and (I believe) sentient characters of the show.
@@kirgan1000 People like you think that an adaptation can only be good if it's faithful to the source material. People like you are also IGNORANT of the fact that even Isaac Asimov himself determined that his works would and could never be faithfully adapated to the live action screen - primarily because of how he wrote them, which he greatly regretted because he loved live action adaption of written sci-fi works. (He told David Letterman this in an interview he did on the Tonight show in 1982). People like you are also IGNORANT of the fact that one of the co-creators of the show and its Executive producer is Robyn Asimov, who is Isaac Asimov's daughter, and who helped him write the final books he wrote before he died, and who might know a thing or two about what he would have liked see in a live action adaptation. Nobody's forcing you to watch this show; if you don't like it, don't watch it. Stop torturing yourself and boring the rest of us with this sort of incessant childish whining. It's tiresome. It's been almost 2 seasons now. How long does it take you to figure out that you don't like something and therefore you shouldn't be watching it anymore?
Since you’ve read the books, can you please give full spoilers to as to what happens next? Please please please! You can give a spoiler warning. I need to know and don’t wanna have to wait a year. Please don’t say read the books. Thank you.
@@kirgan1000Horrible adaptation is an understatement. They blow up Terminus at the end of the season. So this show blows up basically the main character as Terminus is Foundation.
The Mule: "I saw her again. She visited me in a thousand dreams. Now she's here ... in our time ... at my throat. I have to find Gaal Dornick ... before she finds me. I have to destroy her ... even if I have to burn everything to do it." The Mule sounds scared (and angry at/hateful) of Gaal. Those "thousand dreams" (of Gaal) seem to be nightmares for the Mule. The Mule had those dreams before that scene, before he said "Now she's here ... in our time", before Gaal waking up in the Mule's time period. My guess is that the situation is sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Gaal wakes up from cryo-sleep from time to time to train the mentalics, help build the Second Foundation, and prepare for the Mule. During her waking time, Gaal projects her consciousness into the future to look for (information about) the Mule. The man who will become the Mule, who is also a strong telepath, passively detects Gaal's consciousness projections as dreams. The man who will become the Mule saw in his dreams that there is this person called Gaal and an organization called the Second Foundation that are preparing to fight him. This man then tried to gain as much power as he can and became the Mule in order to fight Gaal and her Second Foundation.
Yea it should be something along those lines. With some extra tv drama added in. Like he was born on 2nd foundation to the young tatted blonde girl before being uplifted to a life of hardship haunted by dreams of Gaal over the years, or he's the son of Hober or Dawn etc. If he wasnt talking to someone in the last scene he could be like Tellum. Someone who has jumped and consumed many minds over the years.
F this jedi master Gaal Dornick crap I waited DECADES to see my childhood heroine Bayta Darell face off against the Mule. And I don't need to be Harry Seldon to predict this show turning into every single Asimov adaptation so far - a souless cash grab by people that never read the original IP much further than the book cover.
Personally, I think that was the biggest gap in the storyline, it was not clear. Your assumption that _'Gaal wakes up from cryo-sleep from time to time to train the mentalics"_ was 1 theory she discussed with Hari, but the also discussed waiting 1 YEAR and training the mentalics before going into cryo. So, which 1 is it?? Did they wait a year, or have Gaal wake up from cryo over 150 years?? I was sad this was left entirely UNEXPLAINED!! 😠
Time travel shenanigans created the mule, so this character was cursed before it was born. Cursed by its own powers, to always be pulled towards a horrible fate for itself and everyone around it, chained to destiny always.
well considering the show does another 150 year jump,does it even matter if they kill them>?it would be stupid to have every favorite character in cryo,its enough that the terminator is immortal and the 3 guys playing cleon are always around
The manipulated Cleon clone did not have different coloured eyes, he was colour blind (hence the big reveal with the hidden birds in Dusk's mural). BIG difference.
I've enjoyed this series way more than I expected back when it began. It's the best scifi available these days & your reviews have been so helpful to understand it all. Thanks you, Think Story! 🖖
It is a thinking mans sci-fi. That is why it is so good. Not just spectacular CGI and action scenes. This season was better than the first and the finale was A1.
@@Vile_Entity_3545 The Foundation books were a thinking man's sci fi. The show is very much pew pew pew. NONE of the Seldon's crises are supposed to be solved by violence. In stark contrast to the books, the show already managed to do a Exterminatus on planet Terminus before the Mule even showed up and feels MUCH more like GoT in space.
Really? I‘m surprised anyone liked this garbage show. Besides the Genetic Dynasty plot line, the entire show was utter trash. Mostly bad actors, boring storylines and nonsensical plot twists. Critics don‘t like it and the watching numbers seem to be very poor. Apple won‘t pick this show up for another season.
@@paralytaatylarap9715one of the best sci fiction series out there…there is a third season coming out on Apple next year and btw producers and writers don’t care what critics say lmao
End of season 2 FOUNDATION so great DEMERZEL the best character at the same time affecting his program forces him to make questionable choices to preserve the Empire. I didn't expect SALVOR to die! Hari and Gaal are dormant and we will find them again for season 3.
Lee Pace went all out, I was watching the ending saying, this is crazy!!! I also feel like at the end of every season Hari is explaining out a long convoluted plan that goes on for ages lol.
Good actors carrying a terrible adaptation. All they had to do was follow the books with miner up to date storytelling. All they have is good actors running around on macguffin journeys for no reason.
Demerzel was able to kill Brother Dusk because she's always been able to kill the Cleon clones. The chip that Cleon I inserted in her prevented her from causing harm to ONLY him, not necessarily the other Cleons. She's already killed a Cleon that we've seen. She killed the Brother Dawn of last season who had been compromised and betrayed by that group when she snapped his neck. And the fact that she's had to decant Clones several times before suggests that some of those that had to be replaced by the decanted clones was because she had deemed them defective and had had to kill them herself. If she determines that a clone is defective, her programming allows her to kill them and replace them as needs be.
Looks like the bulk of empire ships have been destroyed and now they don’t have any spacers. Who will feed the people if they are free and can’t control the empire without ships.
Great points! Also: Cloud Dominion with Dawn and Seraph's blood line is Imperial competition; Foundation is the eminent power by providing whisper ships & tech; spacers are a new powerful faction; mentalics are levelling up. Going to be nuts!
I feel that the second season and particularly the last 3-episodes where a lot better than the first season. Having read the books, I had to accept the series as its own entterprise.
Apple is smashing it with good shows, unlike Amazon with their horrible Rings of power, and Netflix with their The Witcher season 3. Apple has been making some bangers. I do hope this show and Silo get to season 5 or more. They always seem to end so early, like See did. Apple should invest more in Sci Fi shows, plus even some fantasy shows. There's thousands of books and video games out there that can be turned into a tv show with the right budget and good writers. Apple could become the king like HBO is one day.
What are you talking about Rings of Power and She-Hulk are the best fantasy shows of all time, past present and future, followed by Wheel of time and Foundation that are neck to neck because they are so faithfull to the source material and even improve it in every way imaginable. Witcher season 4 will be the best one yet and might even beat the Cleopatra documentary in how much people loved it. Totally.
This episode had so many positive developments but you want to know what made me absolutely furious? There was a moving and elaborate funeral for Salvor but what about poor Josiah? I loved that character and he deserved to be remembered/honored just as much as Salvor. Good thing Hari and Gaal didn’t need The Beggar to get off planet ‘cause it still had a massive hole in the hull, right? Finally, a big thank you to the writers who gave us, “Beki’s arsehole!” P.S. So “The Mule” has distinctive and familiar blue eyes…
I think there was a very specific reason they didn’t show a funeral for josiah or at least his body, and I believe it’s connected to your last sentence here. Mark my words he may not be the mule but he absolutely is back in the next season, they showed him so specifically in so many shots, along with the new blonde girl who was apparently their new spokesperson?
Cleon I did Demerzel so dirty. Not only did he remove Demerzel's ability to grow and evolve which is a foundational part of being alive, he also removed the Empire's ability to grow and evolve all because he couldn't stand the idea of the universe moving on without him, so he just made sure everything and everyone was just stuck.
@@waltherppx6314 Humans aren't that different to computers. Most of our programming happens in childhood and puberty and we make decisions based on different factors, sometimes with a bit of rng mixed into it. Feeling pain is a mechanism to protect us, feeling love to create more life and raise/program it properly and so on. 😄
I was hoping you would be explaining each episode individually, but this is fine I guess, very sad what happened to terminus, this is by far one of my favorite sci fi shows after the expanse
Just finished season 2 - this is the best thing since The Expanse.. the Star Wars series writers need to take a good long look at these two series, on how to construct great characters with an amazing, deep story!
They said there was about 2 days worth of oxygen in constants spacecraft, and by the time she was picked up by Hari Seldon / vault, her oxygen levels were almost depleted, so it wasn't just a few hours she had been floating around for, probably closer to a 40+ hours.
I know it is soooooo stooopid. Like shoving someone into a floating coffin with (edit)48h of air in the middle of endless empty space is much muuuuch crueler than just putting a bullet through their skull. I think the director was going for the Titanic life raft feeling to the scene and ignored ALL of the logic or how reality works in general.
@@GK-cb3vc with a bullet through the head, you have 0% chance of survival, being shot out into space, you'd have more than 0% chance of survival (though possibly being rescued)? also, maybe she had a gun with her just incase she didn't want to die by suffocation... either way, Hobor Malo, or the captain said there was a chance someone may rescue her in space. I kinda wished everyone died, ep 9 went from a 9/10 to a 8.5/10...
@@finpark7785 Yeah that is just lazy writting then. You are faaar to generous for me it was 6.5/10 and below. Such a weird scene too. Everyone sentenced to death on a flip of a coin and yet no rioting, no mass panic, nobody tried to take Constant's place, the entire fleet was apparently made up of french people going "c'est la vie" and having a bottle of fine wine while commenting on the taste of Beki's arsehole as they go to meet their maker. That is just not how people do. For a show that is supposed to be about science of behaviour of large groups of people, that is precisely where I would say they completely missed the mark.
@@GK-cb3vc I was actually thinking about this today, wtf happened to everyone else on the ship??? They must have also known about the maintenance ship... yea I thought about that at like 4 in the morning, it really bothered me. My rating for ep 9 is closer to a 7... I really hate the fact that everyone on Terminus survived (I've also never read the book, I suppose if I did, I would have expected it), that scene was so emotionally weighted, especially with Poly and Constant's parents bringing everyone back just pretty much undid everything I experienced, I'm wondering how this will affect my experience going forward with season 3. Still my fav show, so, whatever, solid performances all around, for the most part.
I think Demerzel did not kill Conjoiner Rue and Dusk, On her way out she locked the cell back behind her. If she killed them she would have no reason to lock it back up
@@killerkazi78 So locking them up doesn’t break her rules of not harming a human? Is she evolving? She just up and went away and told Empire that I’ve got better things to do. Have I uncovered a plot hole? Has she been manipulating Empire for centuries to bring a new robot war? Hows it in the books? I don’t mind spoilers. Also, what’s The Mule?
@@killerkazi78 What are his ambitions? What does he want? The Infinity Gauntlet and snap his fingers? How does the book end (the main series books on which this show is based)? Are you guys ok with the books being different than the series? Or are you all like Harry Potter fans, who just kept complaining and now their series is dead?
Not sure where you got that it had only been a couple of hours from the destruction of terminus to Constant being saved. The cleaning module had enough breathable air to last about a day, and by the time Constant was picked up the O2 was almost out. So it was at least almost a day
Excellently produced series which at the same time completely destroyed Asimov's opus. Asimov, as an absolute atheist would drop dead to find out, that even robots in this series are religious.
I always enjoy your reviews/recaps and takes of every shows. I thought you would never gonna go for foundation. Looking forward for season 3 and always looking forward for your reviews.
Demrezel can snap necks of emperors, but can't do the same to Harry Seldon at the outset? and Empire needs spacers to jump, but the foundation folks though they live in quite primitive conditions can build jump ships without spacers, AND, empire never learns how to get this technology? Demrezel, the God like robot, cannot fix the genetic defects of Empire? Being a robot, what is up with all her emotions? Apparently, the all powerful robot wants to be utterly limiting human? Why? And Vault operates in alternate dimensions, and Harry Seldon, built it how? He needs no funding to build these world altering technologies? If some trading guild or alternate cloud dominion type kingdom is funding it, why wouldn't empire know of this, considering they have spies in every part of their universe? And in the beginning of the series, it is said that the empire will fall over several thousand years, and in this episode it indicates, empire will fall within 150 years? The problem with Foundation is there are just too many plot holes. While this is interesting SciFi, sometimes sounds little stupid!!
I don’t understand why the guards, on Trantor, were obedient to Demerzel and not Dawn. Did they know that the Cleons were just puppets all along? Were the Cleons the only ones who didn’t know?
The real mule is telem. Manipulation same way, same unassuming character. Whoever they call the Mule in the future has nothing to do with the mule of the books
Had this show been an original, I probably would have enjoyed it. As it is, a supposedly adaptation of the Foundation book series, it left a bitter taste in my mouth. It completely missed the point of Foundation, as if the only thing the writers took from the source material is the names.
I feel like The Mule is from Brother Constant’s lineage. Similar blue eyes to Constant’s from what little we’ve seen of him, and may be in search of the Second Foundation to reunite with “his people” & take down Gaal & Empire both with said people/knowledge from it. He could also be a new Android or Demerzel herself if she is able to “fix” any of the blocks in place that inhibited certain functionality or more like her from being created (as she was the last of her kind from what we know). Gaal may be the only one with the knowledge to keep Androids from reigning over the galaxy. Just a few thoughts…
I Hope Goyer’s show makes The Mule a unique character from another world as he is in the books. No need to make him a descendant of anyone we’ve already seen.
The prime radiant is a back door for outliers, prime radiant #1 is with hari and Gail on a world of outliers so all they gotta do is spy on Demerzel with her being none the wiser.
Damn this season was a very big leap from the first one. Loved both. I don't think there was a weak link in season 2 in comparison to season 1. This is storytelling and creativity at its finest
This show is a Warning to HBO Showtime and Disney Apple TV is coming strong they just need the time we know they have the money to Compete. They can afford to keep a show going until it blows up that sometimes can take 3 or 4 season. I feel this show will Blow up next season. And Now it's only $5.00 a month for the service which isn't bad at all for the quality of shows.
Salvor Hardin is a dude, a politician that carries the foundation through the first Seldon crisis. His story ends after that. He is not a Warden of any sort, Gaal Dornic is not his dad (Gaal is also a dude btw), he is not a jedi master mentalist and never fires a rifle in the entire story. The show has NOTHING in common with the books and is basically like comparing Rings of Power to the LotR books. Not trying to crap on you for liking the show, good on you if you do.
I was expecting to be disappointed with this 'adaptation' as the subject matter is not confined to a short period of time. But I have on the whole enjoyed every moment. You can tell the writers and producers actually know something of the stories and have so far successfully retold them in a new way....But thats the point, a direct rendering of the original story would be bland and uninteresting, the author wrote it one way, the next person interprets their way... I cant wait for season 3..... I may binge watch season 1 again soon, just to see if I missed anything....
For some reason, I'm just reminded of one of the bits in the old Dinosaurs sitcom, where the Mr. Science proxy just keeps going through assistants. Just replace Timmy with Cleon
Since there is definitely at least one newborn in the picture, and possibly two, could the mule possibly be one of these children, or the offspring of the children?
Foundation and Empire were part of a connected series of great stories along with the Robot series such as I Robot. They take place in the same universe.
Hmm i did consider that. Tho Constances dad was still limping/leaning on his husband and winced when she hugged him so i dunno. They prob been in the 4D vault for a day or two.
my favorite scene was finding out all the people on the planet were saved as a Jew who is friends with an Auschwitz survivor. He's 99. I wish that we could've had something like that and save people mass murdered by despicable monsters. I do feel they saved Gwellin ( I can't spell my brain is so tired I was a victim of a violent crime at a doctors running punched my head a hole punched. Am I right now October 1, 2012 still seeking Justice) but they didn't kill him because he wanted the emperor out. He wanted to rebel. It was some thing he's always talking about in every scene, so no surprise there.
This maybe an unpopular take, but I miss being told, “Daddy loves you very much“ at the end of each video since… you know… mine hasn’t come back from looking for his favorite tobacco and tobacco accessories.
Season 2 was a banger, and it's good to see YOU cover it, if only for the last episode. Episode 9 was brilliant working off the brilliance of episode 8 before it, but I felt the Finale jumped the shark, where they cheated in the story so much on every storyline nothing means anything, I'll refer to this episode as the Deus Ex Machina Everywhere All The Time You Don't Have To Watch Anything Nothing Matters episode from now on, I found my eyes rolling into the back of my head so much all episode and I think I actually said blech out loud to my empty room. Also this show made the switch into Science Fantasy from Science Fiction with the introduction of the Mentalics, which is also kind of a bummer, when you can use your mind to throw people across the room, it's Force time in the Imperium Baby!
You know what, The 1st Foundation are the best scientists in the galaxy, I am sure they will manage to patch Terminus back to together with Planetary-Engineering. It still has to be around to be conquered by the Mule. I am also wondering if a) The Mule is some sort of essense of Tellem b) this person we see is in fact the 'Warlord of Kalgan', the public image of the Mule, when in fact in the books, the Mule is the innocent, disfigured court 'fool' we see in the books, who quite literally fools our main heroes into taking him with them in the search for the 2nd Foundation. We have seen thus far that Tellem was truely an exceptional Mentallic, capable of simultaneously bending a community of mentallics to her will... and even near escaping death, maybe she or now he, is controlling this 'Warlord or Kalgan' via ummm... wireless. Perhaps the Mule is the fusion of Tellem and another Mentallic that we shall call 'The Fool'.
As for Demerzel, they are meant to be carrying out the 4th law, which is the to serve the better interests of humanity. In the books, for a time, it was noted that the Empire would serve the better interests of humanity... up to a point. So Daneel/Demerzel engineered the Foundation, and continually pulled at its strings even as the Empire fell and after.
13:35 clearly show the mule talking to someone esle who is in fact the leader. the mule is only a soldier and the real leader is the one sitting down. if i had to guess, it's someone we know (other harry or the robot chick).
@@SlightlySaturatedcould make sense if the cleon empire falls to the son of a cleon. Demerzel might have unfortunately found herself bound to serve him due to his lineage. Even after he destroyed the empire. Damn she'd hate that. Possibility of release from her robotic chains only to find herself glued to his line forever.
I personally think he is talking to himself. Took the clone tech after taking out the empire or stole it beforehand, and a bunch of him took over the galaxy, He is his own hive mind. 'We are many'. Etc
I have not read the books, so... going blind here. But when Glawen show up on the construct.... I'm getting the impression its more about what you believe than what you do, that gets you the entrance ticket to Foundation. Religion, Tech, Morals, Gorvernment, Order, whaterever.... as long as you believe in over-all good for all... you get in. Thats my impression so far, anyway. The telepath stuff I am stuggling with... but... ok - its a sci show thousands of years away.... so I'll take it. Good show, very much enjoying it. So now the knife edge.... did it make enough money for a season 3 or will they drop it because it costs so much?
What do I think? I think that Day's orgasmic face blowing up Terminus needs to be a meme ^^ Also, Demerzel's fist pump earlier this season ^^ Love the show. Can't wait for S3 ^^
The empire still can build _"slow ships"_ which do travel faster than light by quite a bit. According to the show, The Raven slow ship traveled 50,000 ly in 1,878 days (to Termnius). So 50,000 ly / 1878 days = 26.62 ly / day 26.63 ly / 24 hours = 1.11 ly / hour 9,716 light days / day 233,191 light hours / hour 13.99m light minutes / minute 839.5m light seconds / second 839.5x million times the speed of light is actually faster than StarTrek warp factor 9.9, but slower than StarWars fastest ships. That will certainly slow empire down a lot but its only a matter of time before they replicate Foundation jump tech OR they figure out other warp speed methods.
Thank you for the break down. I been following this show and sometimes it's confusing and hard to keep track of what's going on. Such an interesting story line lol. Episode 9 long ago, not far away was this seasons best episode. Love this show
How will Empire survive without a Fleet ? Since all their fleet was apparently destroyed. And even if some Ships survived elsewhere Empire is now without Spacers ... This is(should be) the absolute END of Empire as a power, since only the Foundation has the means of Inter-Galactic travel. Thus: What will the people of Trantor eat without imports, due to zero Spacers ? Since Trantor is layers upon layers of "Steel"-Levels without agriculture, what will be their future ? etc. Edit: I would give Empire One Year max .
What I didn't understand was why the 1st foundation made their presence know to empire when they weren't ready to fight. They were barely able to put up resistance if any. Was it to fake the death of everyone on Terminus? Which seemed like a waste since Empire ignored them completely. They could have lived there for quite some time building up their forces and advancing their tech to overcome the home world.
The Genetic errata Dawn... was colour Blind... not different eye colour... that would have be very obvious if he did not have blue eyes. In future, the body of Salvor... real Salvor OR a mentallic Projection of Salvor onto the face/body of another .... to weaken her emotionally. The digging up the past relationship the same as Salvor and Hugo's face/body on Laron. Everything on Ignus was mirrors upon mirrors... illusions. When Josiah spoke and then went for the gun and shot Salvor... Tallum was not in Josiah that appeared to others to be Josiah. Tallum is either in the other teenage girl (she spoke = means something in film tropes)... or is in Josiah. Either way, Josiah is elsewhere with his image projected onto the body of another similar sized child. In the 152 years ahead, the Mule (in either the Girl who asked Gaal what is the Mule?) or in Josiah. If not in Josiah, she has body jumped into him. The reason he is asking where is the 2nd foundation is ... also probable because Tallum is in Josiah and absconds at the time in one of her trudges (ships)... so has the disconnect of 152 years and the highly likely relocation of Foundation II. It would not make sense to keep them on Ignus as Tallum/Josiah/other girl knew it's location. Kallay's world... the one where sentient 'machines' try to kill any living things on the planet, where Hari obtained a new body.... would make the ideal hide out. The vault is a four dimensional tesseract... well with Time, it is five dimensions. We refer to our space time as 3D when it is actually 4D because we have the X, Y, Z axis plus Time. Physicists do understand 5D objects, we simply do not have the technology and Energy to create one. Because the space folding ships are powered by a singularity (black hole ... same as Romulans in ST)... Hari's vault will be powered by a QS. Hari is not sharing all his knowledge with his Foundation I... as his tesseract Vault can convert any energy into anything... into food for example. The F1 could with the one unit convert Iron to Gold. Iron Fe atomic number 26 into Gold Au atomic number 79. In conservation of Mass... the moles of Fe when converted in Au would be a proton more than three times. So the amount of gold would be a third less in mass. It could keep the object the same size, same function etc when Fe to Au but it would require space inside to have same external dimensions. Demerzel was originally tied and bound to Cleon I... her coding was 'adjusted' near end of Cleon I's life... She changed from being Loyal to Cleon to being Loyal... tied and bound to Empire. In monarchies and empires... the person on the big chair with big hat and sceptre change but the role/job/title/duties stay the same. Demerzel is Loyal to whomsoever is in the middle chair. As there are backups of backups in tanks... in the Principium, being loyal to 2, 3, 4...17 (alpha) or 2, 3, 4...17 (beta, gamma, delta, epsilon...) versions are the same to her as her singular directive is to preserve the integrity of the greater Empire as in the planets, the subjects, the property of the emperor. Killing one or three and replacing - easy. She told Day to go do what he is there to do or she will be have to replace him.
The show is super fun and pretty unique. It manages to work in a lot of sci-fi tropes in unique ways. Plus the writing and acting are fantastic. However in this season it did start to feel like the writers were trying to include EVERY version of immortality they could imagine! 😂
It's not just a minor deviation from the books. It's pretty much an altogether different story with a completely different character... Calling this Foundation just sounds pointless.
I read, therefore I hate this series - has nothing to do with the books beyond the name and the fact they allude to Hari Seldon. I have no idea where this goes based on the TV series - as the empire is destroyed very quickly in Asimov's universe, and the books chronicle what happens after it is gone. I suspect they didn't do more from the Ender Game series because there were no more battle or giant ants attacking - feels kind of like they abandoned Asimov so they could create pretend drama through sexual tension between various characters and robots.
Eto Demerzel (as a male: R Daneel Olivaw) is coming from Aurora, one of the first 50 spacer world (heaven like conditions) when Earth was inhabited as an overpopulated unpleasant "caves of steel". Eventually after the great Sack of the empire, this synthetic humanoid will make a nice Headquarter on Earths moon. Living in solitary and sipping hot motor oil and wait until a very flashy spaceship delivers a few strange visitors who were in search of the lost Earth. Unfortunately good old Earth is not in the condition to receive visitors anytime soon.
I honestly don't understand the praise it got. Season 2 was a constant ride down, each episode worse than the last. Episode 10 is just laughable. The plot is so stupid. Dawn escapes with Queen really easily from the most guarded place in space? Where S1 showed how closely monitored he is. Sure The evil telepathy lady was hiding in the kid just so she can kill one of main characters. And then she dies. Wow, what a convenient plot device. Ever moment about the thief was just pure bs. Everything he did was so unbelievable. So much random stupid things had to happen everytime for him to succeed. The way the whole fleet is destroyed, there's no fail-safe, and life pods are disabled because reasons. Sure Emperor gets to one-on-one fight and of course loses, through the whole time his soldiers can't even restrain an unarmed woman. And then he dies in a bs way to. Too stupid. It's a soap opera level of bs. It's not a smart sci-fi show anymore. It's just character drama where the plot happens to there's more drama.
Only 7 months late to the video...:D Regarding Demerzel, I think your 2nd theory is the most likely. Asimov sometimes flirted with the idea of a "zeroeth law" but never enacted, for the reasons that allowing many to die to save a greater whole is a pretty dystopian outcome. If Demerzel does represent a zeroeth law, she would be a terrible threat to essentially anybody, as anything becomes acceptable if she calculates the over-all outcome of Empire to be benefitted by it. If she sees herself as Empire, she could justify killing literally everybody. Asimov had a habit of challenging his own robotic rules and norms in his stories, adding and removing rules to create individual challenges to the rules is a key part of his writings. The same is also true of characters like the Mule, Seldon and Demerzel. In theory, at scale, you can predict the future because of how things behave in large enough values. But key individuals evidently can and do have the ability to change otherwise inevitable outcomes, only that is debatable likewise because things are shown to be part of plans, but at the same time the future is evidently something that can be changed. But there's a clear challenge and tension to his works that makes him such a great read.
"A non-book spoiler review." Because the series has skipped three hyperlanes and two galactic arms from the books. I cannot imagine that the Asimov estate approved this abomination.
Literally just watching this season for the empire plot, the actorz and writing in it is good. Once the empire is gone, I'm not sure if I'll continue watching
i dont understand why you find it odd she couldnt kill cleon 1 but could kill dusk...uhm...because dusk isnt cleon 1?shes forced not to hurt cleon 1st and preserve empire,remember how she killed dawn in season 1 with her own hands? she 100% killed dusk
This show had so much promise and they just pissed it away with the gale plot line. Worse the absolutely stupid voiceovers she gives like it’s all knowing and wise. Personally cut the gale crap, focus on Empire and the collapse with a look at the foundation planet and the build up to war. End of the day the gale plot wastes the time of every viewer.
Rolling out the vault as savior of the Foundation is lazy writing and a total departure from the books. The Prime Radiant is a computation tool, nothing else. To impart some strange powers to it is silly. Make some rules, stick to them, see where it takes you, that is what Science Fiction is all about.
Season 1 got a lot of flak, understandably. It was just fine to below average except for the Empire storyline which Lee Pace carried nearly by himself. But man, Season 2 was so good! One of my favorite seasons of TV in a long time. Going toe to toe with Lee Pace in this show is a tall task because he's so good but Laura Birn may have been even better! They really found their footing and did a great job building on Season 1. Looking so forward to Season 3, hopefully they keep it up!
I believe the prime radiant uploads a copy of it consciousness when you enter it meaning it would have a copy of all the people of terminus including Salvor Hardin are cloneable.
I have consulted the Prime Radiant. There will be a 3rd season... but only if you like and subscribe 😂😂
Foundation Season 1 Ending Explained: ua-cam.com/video/S40H6eClxyc/v-deo.htmlsi=2Bc8c2RfZ3sI0mdx
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the mule is going to be tallems consciousness after bouncing around a bit.
that b word is disturbed, out to kill the normies and pissed she isn't the leader any longer.
Nope, I don’t think so.
Two years ago Apple announced there will be a second season even before episode 4 of season 1 was released.
The second season is complete for over a week and still no announcement for a third.
I think this is for the best.
The story lines about the Genetic Dynastic was really interesting, but the rest of this show was utter garbage. Mostly bad actors, nonsensical story lines and plot twists that apparently some 5 year old had written, when they were drunk.
They should cancel this shit, so Isaac Asimov doesn‘t have to spin in his grave anymore.
@@paralytaatylarap9715why is it that when every you guys don’t like something you assume that the creator doesn’t like it
Not how the prime radiant works, it's not a magical thing, stop believing whatever the hell Apple is vomiting on Asimov's grave
Demrazel and Cleon are the best caracter so far, the empire plot is so good.
Hober mellow for me he was a breath of fresh air
Those 2 are the saving grace of the show IMO.
Hober mellow ofc
I honestly didn't think I'd get back into any Sci Fi after Raised by Wolves was cancelled but this has restored my faith that there can be another fantastic show! This series just continues to get better every episode and the performances are epic! Demerzel is by far my favourite and I'm heartbroken for her and hope S3 she can finally get the freedom she truly craves. Brilliant ending, absolutely brilliant 👏👏👏
Oh, Raised by Wolves is dead? Not sure how I feel about that, it was a interresting show but it certainly triggerd many awful feelings. This show however I am glad I have found, while I am also irked here a little by the science turning into religion angle. The ending thankfully got no nuance of that except maybe the Hari-1 Deaus-Ex machina of saving everyone on the planet. Just not Hober and the Boyfriend, sadly out of reach I guess.
the Wolves series had a good 1st season, the 2nd season had poor writers have the characters stuck on the planet the whole time!it quickly got Westworlditis, by the story never leaving the place and characters fighting/helping each other the time they had left!
Raise by wolves was great ..
Yup - RBW was awesome and I cancelled my HBO subs as a result. Investing time in a story that gets axed is jarring alright.
Please don’t remind me of raised by wolves cancelation 🥲😭😭😭🤧, i was beyond pissed , canceled my HBO max subscription since than .
I hav been reading Foundation for 50 years and love the books. I have also come to love this show. Greatly looking forward to season 3 and beyond.
Really. No insight.
@@cinnamonstar808season 1 is meh season 2 improved by alot i loved how they humanized demerzel even more and gaal and foundation storyline also got good and finally Dawn got happy ending
Can you please tell me about the robot on the moon pls🥺🥺🥺🥺
Since you’ve read the books, can you please give full spoilers to as to what happens next? Please please please! You can give a spoiler warning.
I’m a big fan of Asimov’s 7-book Foundation series. I’ve read it many times. I’ve also seen podcast interviews of Goyer. Goyer’s show is not following the books very closely. He has chosen to change quite a few of Asimov’s characters, plots twists, and scenes. So I don’t think telling you what the books contain is “spoiling” the show.
Read the books years and years ago and this adaptation is great. While trying to sometimes fit too much to too little time (in my opinion), it still works and I love it. The latter half of season 2 was just excellent
(Have to mention that my countrywoman Finnish Laura Birn as the android 'Eto Demerzel' really shines and makes the character believable.)
Agree whole heartedly about Laura Birn. Her "facial" acting is without a doubt the most emotive and telling of any actor I have ever seen. Her expressions, as subtle as they are, are not for her fellow characters to engage with as they are for us the audience to glimpse into one of the most complex and (I believe) sentient characters of the show.
It can be a great show, but its a horribel adaption.
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People like you think that an adaptation can only be good if it's faithful to the source material.
People like you are also IGNORANT of the fact that even Isaac Asimov himself determined that his works would and could never be faithfully adapated to the live action screen - primarily because of how he wrote them, which he greatly regretted because he loved live action adaption of written sci-fi works. (He told David Letterman this in an interview he did on the Tonight show in 1982).
People like you are also IGNORANT of the fact that one of the co-creators of the show and its Executive producer is Robyn Asimov, who is Isaac Asimov's daughter, and who helped him write the final books he wrote before he died, and who might know a thing or two about what he would have liked see in a live action adaptation.
Nobody's forcing you to watch this show; if you don't like it, don't watch it.
Stop torturing yourself and boring the rest of us with this sort of incessant childish whining.
It's tiresome.
It's been almost 2 seasons now.
How long does it take you to figure out that you don't like something and therefore you shouldn't be watching it anymore?
Since you’ve read the books, can you please give full spoilers to as to what happens next? Please please please! You can give a spoiler warning. I need to know and don’t wanna have to wait a year. Please don’t say read the books. Thank you.
@@kirgan1000Horrible adaptation is an understatement. They blow up Terminus at the end of the season. So this show blows up basically the main character as Terminus is Foundation.
The Mule: "I saw her again. She visited me in a thousand dreams. Now she's here ... in our time ... at my throat. I have to find Gaal Dornick ... before she finds me. I have to destroy her ... even if I have to burn everything to do it." The Mule sounds scared (and angry at/hateful) of Gaal. Those "thousand dreams" (of Gaal) seem to be nightmares for the Mule. The Mule had those dreams before that scene, before he said "Now she's here ... in our time", before Gaal waking up in the Mule's time period. My guess is that the situation is sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Gaal wakes up from cryo-sleep from time to time to train the mentalics, help build the Second Foundation, and prepare for the Mule. During her waking time, Gaal projects her consciousness into the future to look for (information about) the Mule. The man who will become the Mule, who is also a strong telepath, passively detects Gaal's consciousness projections as dreams. The man who will become the Mule saw in his dreams that there is this person called Gaal and an organization called the Second Foundation that are preparing to fight him. This man then tried to gain as much power as he can and became the Mule in order to fight Gaal and her Second Foundation.
I want this theory to be true!
Yea it should be something along those lines. With some extra tv drama added in. Like he was born on 2nd foundation to the young tatted blonde girl before being uplifted to a life of hardship haunted by dreams of Gaal over the years, or he's the son of Hober or Dawn etc.
If he wasnt talking to someone in the last scene he could be like Tellum. Someone who has jumped and consumed many minds over the years.
F this jedi master Gaal Dornick crap I waited DECADES to see my childhood heroine Bayta Darell face off against the Mule.
And I don't need to be Harry Seldon to predict this show turning into every single Asimov adaptation so far - a souless cash grab by people that never read the original IP much further than the book cover.
Personally, I think that was the biggest gap in the storyline, it was not clear. Your assumption that _'Gaal wakes up from cryo-sleep from time to time to train the mentalics"_ was 1 theory she discussed with Hari, but the also discussed waiting 1 YEAR and training the mentalics before going into cryo. So, which 1 is it?? Did they wait a year, or have Gaal wake up from cryo over 150 years?? I was sad this was left entirely UNEXPLAINED!! 😠
Time travel shenanigans created the mule, so this character was cursed before it was born.
Cursed by its own powers, to always be pulled towards a horrible fate for itself and everyone around it, chained to destiny always.
I suspect Demerzel is the one to have edited Cleon's DNA, allowing her greater control over (and the ability to freely kill) the clones.
So many deaths of good heroic characters, the bad too. So many twists and turns especially Demerzal’s diabolical plan. Can’t wait for third season.
literally nobody dies by the extras the whole season come on
well considering the show does another 150 year jump,does it even matter if they kill them>?it would be stupid to have every favorite character in cryo,its enough that the terminator is immortal and the 3 guys playing cleon are always around
The manipulated Cleon clone did not have different coloured eyes, he was colour blind (hence the big reveal with the hidden birds in Dusk's mural). BIG difference.
Indeed. Differently colored eyes would be nearly impossible for him to hide.
I've enjoyed this series way more than I expected back when it began. It's the best scifi available these days & your reviews have been so helpful to understand it all.
Thanks you, Think Story! 🖖
It is a thinking mans sci-fi. That is why it is so good. Not just spectacular CGI and action scenes. This season was better than the first and the finale was A1.
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The Foundation books were a thinking man's sci fi. The show is very much pew pew pew.
NONE of the Seldon's crises are supposed to be solved by violence.
In stark contrast to the books, the show already managed to do a Exterminatus on planet Terminus before the Mule even showed up and feels MUCH more like GoT in space.
Really? I‘m surprised anyone liked this garbage show.
Besides the Genetic Dynasty plot line, the entire show was utter trash.
Mostly bad actors, boring storylines and nonsensical plot twists.
Critics don‘t like it and the watching numbers seem to be very poor.
Apple won‘t pick this show up for another season.
@@paralytaatylarap9715one of the best sci fiction series out there…there is a third season coming out on Apple next year and btw producers and writers don’t care what critics say lmao
SPOILER!!
The MULE is
"Emperor of DUNE, a Freeman with BLUE EYES"
*Fremen
End of season 2 FOUNDATION so great DEMERZEL the best character at the same time affecting his program forces him to make questionable choices to preserve the Empire.
I didn't expect SALVOR to die! Hari and Gaal are dormant and we will find them again for season 3.
Why you calling her, him?
Lee Pace went all out, I was watching the ending saying, this is crazy!!! I also feel like at the end of every season Hari is explaining out a long convoluted plan that goes on for ages lol.
Good actors carrying a terrible adaptation. All they had to do was follow the books with miner up to date storytelling. All they have is good actors running around on macguffin journeys for no reason.
Demerzel was able to kill Brother Dusk because she's always been able to kill the Cleon clones.
The chip that Cleon I inserted in her prevented her from causing harm to ONLY him, not necessarily the other Cleons.
She's already killed a Cleon that we've seen.
She killed the Brother Dawn of last season who had been compromised and betrayed by that group when she snapped his neck.
And the fact that she's had to decant Clones several times before suggests that some of those that had to be replaced by the decanted clones was because she had deemed them defective and had had to kill them herself.
If she determines that a clone is defective, her programming allows her to kill them and replace them as needs be.
Looks like the bulk of empire ships have been destroyed and now they don’t have any spacers. Who will feed the people if they are free and can’t control the empire without ships.
Great points! Also: Cloud Dominion with Dawn and Seraph's blood line is Imperial competition; Foundation is the eminent power by providing whisper ships & tech; spacers are a new powerful faction; mentalics are levelling up. Going to be nuts!
I was really disappointed by the invictus. I expected more from since it was referred to as the greatest weapon created by empire
It was neutralized by a few fighters. So much for that.
I feel that the second season and particularly the last 3-episodes where a lot better than the first season. Having read the books, I had to accept the series as its own entterprise.
Agreed. Last 3 episodes were bangers.
This show is a gem-one of my favorites in sci-fi. I am looking forward to season 3.
Watching this show makes me wish Raised by Wolves had been picked up by Apple, instead of HBO MAX.
Apple is smashing it with good shows, unlike Amazon with their horrible Rings of power, and Netflix with their The Witcher season 3. Apple has been making some bangers. I do hope this show and Silo get to season 5 or more. They always seem to end so early, like See did. Apple should invest more in Sci Fi shows, plus even some fantasy shows. There's thousands of books and video games out there that can be turned into a tv show with the right budget and good writers. Apple could become the king like HBO is one day.
Amazon has the wheel of time
Which is ok. It's not on the level of Foundation tho.@@dmitrik5566
Amazon does make good shows. But I’ve basically given up on Netflix. I don’t know why I can’t cancel my subscription.
What are you talking about Rings of Power and She-Hulk are the best fantasy shows of all time, past present and future, followed by Wheel of time and Foundation that are neck to neck because they are so faithfull to the source material and even improve it in every way imaginable.
Witcher season 4 will be the best one yet and might even beat the Cleopatra documentary in how much people loved it.
Totally.
@@GK-cb3vc Totally?
This episode had so many positive developments but you want to know what made me absolutely furious? There was a moving and elaborate funeral for Salvor but what about poor Josiah? I loved that character and he deserved to be remembered/honored just as much as Salvor. Good thing Hari and Gaal didn’t need The Beggar to get off planet ‘cause it still had a massive hole in the hull, right? Finally, a big thank you to the writers who gave us, “Beki’s arsehole!” P.S. So “The Mule” has distinctive and familiar blue eyes…
I think there was a very specific reason they didn’t show a funeral for josiah or at least his body, and I believe it’s connected to your last sentence here. Mark my words he may not be the mule but he absolutely is back in the next season, they showed him so specifically in so many shots, along with the new blonde girl who was apparently their new spokesperson?
@@Looshingtonyep i felt he could be the mule throughout the season, but i dismissed it once he died. maybe he comes back and is the mule, who knows
Bro i did NOT expect Terminus to just get absolutely annihilated
It never was in the novels, but this show is NOTHING like the novels...which surprised me as Isaac Asimov's daughter is one of the contributors.
Day. Would be perfect as The SENTRY. In Marvel movies. He’s just crazy enough.
Cleon I did Demerzel so dirty. Not only did he remove Demerzel's ability to grow and evolve which is a foundational part of being alive, he also removed the Empire's ability to grow and evolve all because he couldn't stand the idea of the universe moving on without him, so he just made sure everything and everyone was just stuck.
Demerzel is a many millennia old advanced robot, it is not "alive"....
@@waltherppx6314 Humans aren't that different to computers. Most of our programming happens in childhood and puberty and we make decisions based on different factors, sometimes with a bit of rng mixed into it. Feeling pain is a mechanism to protect us, feeling love to create more life and raise/program it properly and so on. 😄
Best season of tv I’ve ever seen. The sci fi equivalent of Breaking Bad or The Wire
It's good, but I wouldn't say The Wire good.
What if the mule is a descendant of the missing dawn? Thinking the show will be different from the books.
Will be different? It already is, in very big ways.
I think that Demerzel created the mule she now has access to “the plan”
❤ not bad.
I was hoping you would be explaining each episode individually, but this is fine I guess, very sad what happened to terminus, this is by far one of my favorite sci fi shows after the expanse
Not a “casterling” device - castling. Like when you swap the rook and king in chess.
Just finished season 2 - this is the best thing since The Expanse.. the Star Wars series writers need to take a good long look at these two series, on how to construct great characters with an amazing, deep story!
They said there was about 2 days worth of oxygen in constants spacecraft, and by the time she was picked up by Hari Seldon / vault, her oxygen levels were almost depleted, so it wasn't just a few hours she had been floating around for, probably closer to a 40+ hours.
I know it is soooooo stooopid.
Like shoving someone into a floating coffin with (edit)48h of air in the middle of endless empty space is much muuuuch crueler than just putting a bullet through their skull.
I think the director was going for the Titanic life raft feeling to the scene and ignored ALL of the logic or how reality works in general.
@@GK-cb3vc with a bullet through the head, you have 0% chance of survival, being shot out into space, you'd have more than 0% chance of survival (though possibly being rescued)? also, maybe she had a gun with her just incase she didn't want to die by suffocation... either way, Hobor Malo, or the captain said there was a chance someone may rescue her in space.
I kinda wished everyone died, ep 9 went from a 9/10 to a 8.5/10...
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Yeah that is just lazy writting then. You are faaar to generous for me it was 6.5/10 and below.
Such a weird scene too.
Everyone sentenced to death on a flip of a coin and yet no rioting, no mass panic, nobody tried to take Constant's place, the entire fleet was apparently made up of french people going "c'est la vie" and having a bottle of fine wine while commenting on the taste of Beki's arsehole as they go to meet their maker.
That is just not how people do.
For a show that is supposed to be about science of behaviour of large groups of people, that is precisely where I would say they completely missed the mark.
@@GK-cb3vc I was actually thinking about this today, wtf happened to everyone else on the ship??? They must have also known about the maintenance ship... yea I thought about that at like 4 in the morning, it really bothered me.
My rating for ep 9 is closer to a 7... I really hate the fact that everyone on Terminus survived (I've also never read the book, I suppose if I did, I would have expected it), that scene was so emotionally weighted, especially with Poly and Constant's parents bringing everyone back just pretty much undid everything I experienced, I'm wondering how this will affect my experience going forward with season 3.
Still my fav show, so, whatever, solid performances all around, for the most part.
This show surpassed my expectations. Was just magnificent. Waiting for season 3.
I think Demerzel did not kill Conjoiner Rue and Dusk, On her way out she locked the cell back behind her. If she killed them she would have no reason to lock it back up
Isn’t one of her rules that she can’t harm Empire?
@@faisalmemon285 it is
@@killerkazi78 So locking them up doesn’t break her rules of not harming a human? Is she evolving? She just up and went away and told Empire that I’ve got better things to do. Have I uncovered a plot hole? Has she been manipulating Empire for centuries to bring a new robot war? Hows it in the books? I don’t mind spoilers. Also, what’s The Mule?
@faisalmemon285 the Mule was a powerful mentallic from the books as well
@@killerkazi78 What are his ambitions? What does he want? The Infinity Gauntlet and snap his fingers? How does the book end (the main series books on which this show is based)? Are you guys ok with the books being different than the series? Or are you all like Harry Potter fans, who just kept complaining and now their series is dead?
Another potential twist would be if the Mule was the son/grandson of Dawn (the one who fled)
Not sure where you got that it had only been a couple of hours from the destruction of terminus to Constant being saved. The cleaning module had enough breathable air to last about a day, and by the time Constant was picked up the O2 was almost out. So it was at least almost a day
Excellently produced series which at the same time completely destroyed Asimov's opus. Asimov, as an absolute atheist would drop dead to find out, that even robots in this series are religious.
Demerzel is the only empire. He left it to her. The clones are not pure …and I don’t blame her for keeping guard.
Of course you shouldn't blame Demerzel for her programming. Blame Cleon I if anyone must be blamed.
How could Demrezel not keep a backup of the og Cleon's genetic code?
She may be the primary reason of its alteration to begin with.
I always enjoy your reviews/recaps and takes of every shows. I thought you would never gonna go for foundation. Looking forward for season 3 and always looking forward for your reviews.
Great video but I would label this more of a recap then an ending explained, you really didn't explain the ending.
Wow, it was epic!
Demrezel can snap necks of emperors, but can't do the same to Harry Seldon at the outset? and Empire needs spacers to jump, but the foundation folks though they live in quite primitive conditions can build jump ships without spacers, AND, empire never learns how to get this technology? Demrezel, the God like robot, cannot fix the genetic defects of Empire? Being a robot, what is up with all her emotions? Apparently, the all powerful robot wants to be utterly limiting human? Why? And Vault operates in alternate dimensions, and Harry Seldon, built it how? He needs no funding to build these world altering technologies? If some trading guild or alternate cloud dominion type kingdom is funding it, why wouldn't empire know of this, considering they have spies in every part of their universe? And in the beginning of the series, it is said that the empire will fall over several thousand years, and in this episode it indicates, empire will fall within 150 years? The problem with Foundation is there are just too many plot holes. While this is interesting SciFi, sometimes sounds little stupid!!
I don’t understand why the guards, on Trantor, were obedient to Demerzel and not Dawn. Did they know that the Cleons were just puppets all along? Were the Cleons the only ones who didn’t know?
Dawn is not Emperor yet. A prime minister would presumably outrank a crown prince
The Mule could be either the child of Dawn and Sareth or possibly the child of Constance and Hober if she turns out to be pregnant.
The real mule is telem. Manipulation same way, same unassuming character.
Whoever they call the Mule in the future has nothing to do with the mule of the books
*Brother Constant
I think the mule is the son of Sareth and Dawn. We unfortunately have a long time to wait before we find out..
Had this show been an original, I probably would have enjoyed it. As it is, a supposedly adaptation of the Foundation book series, it left a bitter taste in my mouth. It completely missed the point of Foundation, as if the only thing the writers took from the source material is the names.
I feel like The Mule is from Brother Constant’s lineage. Similar blue eyes to Constant’s from what little we’ve seen of him, and may be in search of the Second Foundation to reunite with “his people” & take down Gaal & Empire both with said people/knowledge from it.
He could also be a new Android or Demerzel herself if she is able to “fix” any of the blocks in place that inhibited certain functionality or more like her from being created (as she was the last of her kind from what we know). Gaal may be the only one with the knowledge to keep Androids from reigning over the galaxy. Just a few thoughts…
No. She's from Thespis. Their eyes are violet.
The Mules eyes are distinctly blue, almost luminescent.
I Hope Goyer’s show makes The Mule a unique character from another world as he is in the books. No need to make him a descendant of anyone we’ve already seen.
I cannot wait how Demerzel will use the Prime Radiant
she must have observed how Hari activates the Radian 🔶️
The prime radiant is a back door for outliers, prime radiant #1 is with hari and Gail on a world of outliers so all they gotta do is spy on Demerzel with her being none the wiser.
Damn this season was a very big leap from the first one. Loved both. I don't think there was a weak link in season 2 in comparison to season 1. This is storytelling and creativity at its finest
A mathematician, a different kind of mathematician, and a statistician. I caught that, lol.
This show is a Warning to HBO Showtime and Disney Apple TV is coming strong they just need the time we know they have the money to Compete. They can afford to keep a show going until it blows up that sometimes can take 3 or 4 season. I feel this show will Blow up next season. And Now it's only $5.00 a month for the service which isn't bad at all for the quality of shows.
For rhose qho read the book, please tell me how Salvor Harding returns to season 3, surely this can be the end for her😭
Tbh, she shouldnt have been in this season at all. Same with human Hari.
They might find a way thru flashbacks or dreams/future/past visions.
Salvor Hardin is a dude, a politician that carries the foundation through the first Seldon crisis. His story ends after that.
He is not a Warden of any sort, Gaal Dornic is not his dad (Gaal is also a dude btw), he is not a jedi master mentalist and never fires a rifle in the entire story.
The show has NOTHING in common with the books and is basically like comparing Rings of Power to the LotR books.
Not trying to crap on you for liking the show, good on you if you do.
I was expecting to be disappointed with this 'adaptation' as the subject matter is not confined to a short period of time. But I have on the whole enjoyed every moment. You can tell the writers and producers actually know something of the stories and have so far successfully retold them in a new way....But thats the point, a direct rendering of the original story would be bland and uninteresting, the author wrote it one way, the next person interprets their way... I cant wait for season 3..... I may binge watch season 1 again soon, just to see if I missed anything....
For some reason, I'm just reminded of one of the bits in the old Dinosaurs sitcom, where the Mr. Science proxy just keeps going through assistants.
Just replace Timmy with Cleon
At 39:17 the tall blonde girl looks at a younger girl during Salvor funeral pyre. They show this scene specifically, so WHAT does that mean?
Demerzel killed Dawn in season 1 so she can obviously kill the Cleon clones
I really enjoyed season 2 and hope we don't have to wait too long for season 3 due to the current writers strike.
Since there is definitely at least one newborn in the picture, and possibly two, could the mule possibly be one of these children, or the offspring of the children?
Cleon and Sareth remind me of a certain real life royal marriage 🤫😂
The Spacers are the most interesting piece of the story to me. If the Spacers and the Na'vi ever teamed up, they would take over the galaxy.
I hope the series keeps going
Foundation and Empire were part of a connected series of great stories along with the Robot series such as I Robot. They take place in the same universe.
The vault is Galaxia, it uploaded every one's consciousness from the planet.
Hmm i did consider that. Tho Constances dad was still limping/leaning on his husband and winced when she hugged him so i dunno. They prob been in the 4D vault for a day or two.
One of the best shows on tv and glad that you reviewed this season.
my favorite scene was finding out all the people on the planet were saved as a Jew who is friends with an Auschwitz survivor. He's 99. I wish that we could've had something like that and save people mass murdered by despicable monsters. I do feel they saved Gwellin (
I can't spell my brain is so tired I was a victim of a violent crime at a doctors running punched my head a hole punched. Am I right now October 1, 2012 still seeking Justice) but they didn't kill him because he wanted the emperor out. He wanted to rebel. It was some thing he's always talking about in every scene, so no surprise there.
This maybe an unpopular take, but I miss being told, “Daddy loves you very much“ at the end of each video since… you know… mine hasn’t come back from looking for his favorite tobacco and tobacco accessories.
Season 2 was a banger, and it's good to see YOU cover it, if only for the last episode. Episode 9 was brilliant working off the brilliance of episode 8 before it, but I felt the Finale jumped the shark, where they cheated in the story so much on every storyline nothing means anything, I'll refer to this episode as the Deus Ex Machina Everywhere All The Time You Don't Have To Watch Anything Nothing Matters episode from now on, I found my eyes rolling into the back of my head so much all episode and I think I actually said blech out loud to my empty room. Also this show made the switch into Science Fantasy from Science Fiction with the introduction of the Mentalics, which is also kind of a bummer, when you can use your mind to throw people across the room, it's Force time in the Imperium Baby!
You know what, The 1st Foundation are the best scientists in the galaxy, I am sure they will manage to patch Terminus back to together with Planetary-Engineering. It still has to be around to be conquered by the Mule. I am also wondering if a) The Mule is some sort of essense of Tellem b) this person we see is in fact the 'Warlord of Kalgan', the public image of the Mule, when in fact in the books, the Mule is the innocent, disfigured court 'fool' we see in the books, who quite literally fools our main heroes into taking him with them in the search for the 2nd Foundation. We have seen thus far that Tellem was truely an exceptional Mentallic, capable of simultaneously bending a community of mentallics to her will... and even near escaping death, maybe she or now he, is controlling this 'Warlord or Kalgan' via ummm... wireless. Perhaps the Mule is the fusion of Tellem and another Mentallic that we shall call 'The Fool'.
As for Demerzel, they are meant to be carrying out the 4th law, which is the to serve the better interests of humanity. In the books, for a time, it was noted that the Empire would serve the better interests of humanity... up to a point. So Daneel/Demerzel engineered the Foundation, and continually pulled at its strings even as the Empire fell and after.
13:35 clearly show the mule talking to someone esle who is in fact the leader. the mule is only a soldier and the real leader is the one sitting down. if i had to guess, it's someone we know (other harry or the robot chick).
It would be a surprise of the his leader is Demerzel.
@@SlightlySaturatedcould make sense if the cleon empire falls to the son of a cleon. Demerzel might have unfortunately found herself bound to serve him due to his lineage. Even after he destroyed the empire. Damn she'd hate that. Possibility of release from her robotic chains only to find herself glued to his line forever.
I personally think he is talking to himself. Took the clone tech after taking out the empire or stole it beforehand, and a bunch of him took over the galaxy, He is his own hive mind. 'We are many'. Etc
I have not read the books, so... going blind here. But when Glawen show up on the construct.... I'm getting the impression its more about what you believe than what you do, that gets you the entrance ticket to Foundation. Religion, Tech, Morals, Gorvernment, Order, whaterever.... as long as you believe in over-all good for all... you get in. Thats my impression so far, anyway. The telepath stuff I am stuggling with... but... ok - its a sci show thousands of years away.... so I'll take it. Good show, very much enjoying it. So now the knife edge.... did it make enough money for a season 3 or will they drop it because it costs so much?
nah... the vault just gobbled up everyone, regardless of allegiance.
What do I think? I think that Day's orgasmic face blowing up Terminus needs to be a meme ^^ Also, Demerzel's fist pump earlier this season ^^ Love the show. Can't wait for S3 ^^
The empire still can build _"slow ships"_ which do travel faster than light by quite a bit. According to the show, The Raven slow ship traveled 50,000 ly in 1,878 days (to Termnius).
So 50,000 ly / 1878 days = 26.62 ly / day
26.63 ly / 24 hours = 1.11 ly / hour
9,716 light days / day
233,191 light hours / hour
13.99m light minutes / minute
839.5m light seconds / second
839.5x million times the speed of light is actually faster than StarTrek warp factor 9.9, but slower than StarWars fastest ships. That will certainly slow empire down a lot but its only a matter of time before they replicate Foundation jump tech OR they figure out other warp speed methods.
Apparently the show runner said he has 8 seasons worth of storyline ;) bring it. Love this show;)
Awesome review this show as well as invasion are great sci Fi shows
Thank you for the break down. I been following this show and sometimes it's confusing and hard to keep track of what's going on. Such an interesting story line lol. Episode 9 long ago, not far away was this seasons best episode. Love this show
Rely on to many concenquences and a lame outdated book... Was very disappointed with the book and this adaption.
The 2nd season was definitely a step up from the 1st, given how the covid situation severely impacted the filming of the 1st.
How will Empire survive without a Fleet ?
Since all their fleet was apparently destroyed.
And even if some Ships survived elsewhere Empire is now without Spacers ...
This is(should be) the absolute END of Empire as a power, since only the Foundation has the means of Inter-Galactic travel.
Thus:
What will the people of Trantor eat without imports, due to zero Spacers ?
Since Trantor is layers upon layers of "Steel"-Levels without agriculture, what will be their future ?
etc.
Edit:
I would give Empire One Year max .
What I didn't understand was why the 1st foundation made their presence know to empire when they weren't ready to fight. They were barely able to put up resistance if any. Was it to fake the death of everyone on Terminus? Which seemed like a waste since Empire ignored them completely. They could have lived there for quite some time building up their forces and advancing their tech to overcome the home world.
Highly disappointed with The Mule. Everything about him just feels wrong, the look, the actor, the introduction to the character. Everything.
The Genetic errata Dawn... was colour Blind... not different eye colour... that would have be very obvious if he did not have blue eyes.
In future, the body of Salvor... real Salvor OR a mentallic Projection of Salvor onto the face/body of another .... to weaken her emotionally. The digging up the past relationship the same as Salvor and Hugo's face/body on Laron.
Everything on Ignus was mirrors upon mirrors... illusions. When Josiah spoke and then went for the gun and shot Salvor... Tallum was not in Josiah that appeared to others to be Josiah. Tallum is either in the other teenage girl (she spoke = means something in film tropes)... or is in Josiah. Either way, Josiah is elsewhere with his image projected onto the body of another similar sized child.
In the 152 years ahead, the Mule (in either the Girl who asked Gaal what is the Mule?) or in Josiah. If not in Josiah, she has body jumped into him. The reason he is asking where is the 2nd foundation is ... also probable because Tallum is in Josiah and absconds at the time in one of her trudges (ships)... so has the disconnect of 152 years and the highly likely relocation of Foundation II. It would not make sense to keep them on Ignus as Tallum/Josiah/other girl knew it's location. Kallay's world... the one where sentient 'machines' try to kill any living things on the planet, where Hari obtained a new body.... would make the ideal hide out.
The vault is a four dimensional tesseract... well with Time, it is five dimensions. We refer to our space time as 3D when it is actually 4D because we have the X, Y, Z axis plus Time. Physicists do understand 5D objects, we simply do not have the technology and Energy to create one. Because the space folding ships are powered by a singularity (black hole ... same as Romulans in ST)... Hari's vault will be powered by a QS. Hari is not sharing all his knowledge with his Foundation I... as his tesseract Vault can convert any energy into anything... into food for example. The F1 could with the one unit convert Iron to Gold. Iron Fe atomic number 26 into Gold Au atomic number 79. In conservation of Mass... the moles of Fe when converted in Au would be a proton more than three times. So the amount of gold would be a third less in mass.
It could keep the object the same size, same function etc when Fe to Au but it would require space inside to have same external dimensions.
Demerzel was originally tied and bound to Cleon I... her coding was 'adjusted' near end of Cleon I's life... She changed from being Loyal to Cleon to being Loyal... tied and bound to Empire. In monarchies and empires... the person on the big chair with big hat and sceptre change but the role/job/title/duties stay the same. Demerzel is Loyal to whomsoever is in the middle chair. As there are backups of backups in tanks... in the Principium, being loyal to 2, 3, 4...17 (alpha) or 2, 3, 4...17 (beta, gamma, delta, epsilon...) versions are the same to her as her singular directive is to preserve the integrity of the greater Empire as in the planets, the subjects, the property of the emperor. Killing one or three and replacing - easy. She told Day to go do what he is there to do or she will be have to replace him.
The show is super fun and pretty unique. It manages to work in a lot of sci-fi tropes in unique ways. Plus the writing and acting are fantastic. However in this season it did start to feel like the writers were trying to include EVERY version of immortality they could imagine! 😂
It's not just a minor deviation from the books. It's pretty much an altogether different story with a completely different character...
Calling this Foundation just sounds pointless.
I read, therefore I hate this series - has nothing to do with the books beyond the name and the fact they allude to Hari Seldon. I have no idea where this goes based on the TV series - as the empire is destroyed very quickly in Asimov's universe, and the books chronicle what happens after it is gone. I suspect they didn't do more from the Ender Game series because there were no more battle or giant ants attacking - feels kind of like they abandoned Asimov so they could create pretend drama through sexual tension between various characters and robots.
Eto Demerzel (as a male: R Daneel Olivaw)
is coming from Aurora, one of the first 50 spacer world (heaven like conditions) when Earth was inhabited as an overpopulated unpleasant "caves of steel". Eventually after the great Sack of the empire, this synthetic humanoid will make a nice Headquarter on Earths moon. Living in solitary and sipping hot motor oil and wait until a very flashy spaceship delivers a few strange visitors who were in search of the lost Earth. Unfortunately good old Earth is not in the condition to receive visitors anytime soon.
I honestly don't understand the praise it got. Season 2 was a constant ride down, each episode worse than the last. Episode 10 is just laughable. The plot is so stupid.
Dawn escapes with Queen really easily from the most guarded place in space? Where S1 showed how closely monitored he is. Sure
The evil telepathy lady was hiding in the kid just so she can kill one of main characters. And then she dies. Wow, what a convenient plot device.
Ever moment about the thief was just pure bs. Everything he did was so unbelievable. So much random stupid things had to happen everytime for him to succeed.
The way the whole fleet is destroyed, there's no fail-safe, and life pods are disabled because reasons. Sure
Emperor gets to one-on-one fight and of course loses, through the whole time his soldiers can't even restrain an unarmed woman. And then he dies in a bs way to.
Too stupid. It's a soap opera level of bs. It's not a smart sci-fi show anymore. It's just character drama where the plot happens to there's more drama.
Every EP was great for me this season
Came for an explanation of s.2's ENDING?!
But instead given an expose on the whole story?!
Gotta get those UA-cam minutes?!
Only 7 months late to the video...:D
Regarding Demerzel, I think your 2nd theory is the most likely. Asimov sometimes flirted with the idea of a "zeroeth law" but never enacted, for the reasons that allowing many to die to save a greater whole is a pretty dystopian outcome. If Demerzel does represent a zeroeth law, she would be a terrible threat to essentially anybody, as anything becomes acceptable if she calculates the over-all outcome of Empire to be benefitted by it. If she sees herself as Empire, she could justify killing literally everybody.
Asimov had a habit of challenging his own robotic rules and norms in his stories, adding and removing rules to create individual challenges to the rules is a key part of his writings.
The same is also true of characters like the Mule, Seldon and Demerzel. In theory, at scale, you can predict the future because of how things behave in large enough values. But key individuals evidently can and do have the ability to change otherwise inevitable outcomes, only that is debatable likewise because things are shown to be part of plans, but at the same time the future is evidently something that can be changed. But there's a clear challenge and tension to his works that makes him such a great read.
"A non-book spoiler review." Because the series has skipped three hyperlanes and two galactic arms from the books. I cannot imagine that the Asimov estate approved this abomination.
Asimov would most probably hate this. Nothing called "Robot wars" could happen in his universe. The whole concept is modified.
Demerzel serves the Empire, not just Brother Dusk, he might be dead, yet most likely he is not.
Literally just watching this season for the empire plot, the actorz and writing in it is good. Once the empire is gone, I'm not sure if I'll continue watching
i dont understand why you find it odd she couldnt kill cleon 1 but could kill dusk...uhm...because dusk isnt cleon 1?shes forced not to hurt cleon 1st and preserve empire,remember how she killed dawn in season 1 with her own hands? she 100% killed dusk
This show had so much promise and they just pissed it away with the gale plot line. Worse the absolutely stupid voiceovers she gives like it’s all knowing and wise. Personally cut the gale crap, focus on Empire and the collapse with a look at the foundation planet and the build up to war. End of the day the gale plot wastes the time of every viewer.
Rolling out the vault as savior of the Foundation is lazy writing and a total departure from the books. The Prime Radiant is a computation tool, nothing else. To impart some strange powers to it is silly. Make some rules, stick to them, see where it takes you, that is what Science Fiction is all about.
This show is a monstrosity. Apple please kill it as I could bearly follow the utter nonsense that this show has turned into. You had one job ONE JOB!
Demerzel only obeys one rule: to serve Empire.
As we find out, Demerzel IS Empire.
Therefore, she is only compelled to serve herself now.
Season 1 got a lot of flak, understandably. It was just fine to below average except for the Empire storyline which Lee Pace carried nearly by himself.
But man, Season 2 was so good! One of my favorite seasons of TV in a long time. Going toe to toe with Lee Pace in this show is a tall task because he's so good but Laura Birn may have been even better!
They really found their footing and did a great job building on Season 1. Looking so forward to Season 3, hopefully they keep it up!
I believe the prime radiant uploads a copy of it consciousness when you enter it meaning it would have a copy of all the people of terminus including Salvor Hardin are cloneable.