If he never did it, it must have been a new experience for Mr. Scott, not for nothing did the Enterprise always be proud to have him included as someone trained in this type of teleportation thing.
Chris Pine is my favorite Kirk. Way better than Strange New Worlds. Wish Pine and Gal Gadot could star in Trek together, she could be his wife... Admiral T. Kirk. (T for Tiffany)
Pretty incredible how their ship is structurally able to withstand the light, time, and gravity, bending characteristics of a blackhole AS WELL AS an explosion large and powerful enough to overcome those incomprehensible forces to push it with opposite force out of the blackhole. Imagine the overwhelming structural stress the ship was enduring, if their material science can endure that surely it could also endure any weapon ever fired against the ship lol
You're overthinking it. As soon as they ejected the warp core, they should have no longer been able to sustain the warp speed that was keeping them at distance from the singularity and should have instantly fallen into it.
@@TheRealAfroRick well... that's... The first law of plotinatic effects: *Due to interference from a higher dimensional being, physical laws and properties are filtered, reducing immense efforts into smaller efforts* For non-readers: because the narrator decided so, the main protagonists can't die so easily.
The explosion was like being hit or projected by a deflating ballon the energy was too vast and just rocked the ship. A surfboard caught in a big wave.
6:11 "Okay, if we eject the core and detonate, the blast could be enough to push us away." 6:28 *launches multiple cores* "Hey Scotty I thought you said *THE* core not all 15 of them."
@@joeclayton2121 I was joking/memeing over the poor writing that he said *THE* core meaning they only had one but then seconds later you see them eject multiple cores.
@@sticky170 Yes. Without it the ship cannot maintain a warp bubble and thus drop out of warp.The warp core generates ionized gas ("electro-plasma") which is the "EP" in the often heard "EPS conduits" or "EPS power taps". This is the only source powerful enough to drive the warp coils and provide FTL flight. The entire ship can be run for unlimited periods of time off this system.
Considering the ship was getting sucked into a black hole, surely the waste of ammo on it was illogical, and the time spent on useless attacks put the ship in greater danger. They might have been able to get away without losing the core. Serious post incident review needed, which should result in disciplinary action.
@@esean1that part makes perfect sense. They're still enemy combatants and have said they're not going to stop fighting. So you keep going until the threat is gone. It's war and, unless they surrender, your job is to make their bad day as bad as it can possibly be. Sticking around to get caught in the gravity well was just plain silly, though. Hanging back and shooting would have been like holding a midget at arm's length and repeatedly kicking him in the balls. But no, gotta do the stupid thing so they can get out of it in a pointlessly destructive and improbable way.
@@ts757arse Yeah I feel like this is the sort of decision that would have been torn to shreds in an after action review, given the extensive damage caused to the ship, and the near death of everyone on-board.
@@TheAero1221 "Where is the flight recorder?" "Black hole" "And that's where anyone who tells command what really happened here is gonna end up." "But...." *hovers finger over button* "These transporters still work... Do you want to spend eternity as spaghetti thinking about what you've done?" "You're a hero." "Better."
I’m sure the thought of letting them die in the black hole did come across their minds. I think shooting them was an act of mercy and compassion like Kirk said when he offered assistance. Plus they went through one black hole and it just sent them back in time so this is one way of confirming that they died instead of just assuming it.
@@Icetea-2000 No you don't. In fact the larger the black hole, the longer you have before you reach the singularity, especially if you're not nosing directly down into it but are being pulled in like a spiral. This opens up some very interesting thought experiments because from the perspective of an outside observer, you never fall into a black hole. You freeze at the event horizon and remain there forever, slowly red-shifting away until you're gone. But from your perspective falling in, you cross the event horizon just fine. You're able to look up to the dwindling bit of space you can still see and see eons pass in seconds.
@@adamb89 Yes but when you die you die, there’s no suffering, your body is being stretched like spaghetti but obviously you can’t live like that, your brain would be pulled apart making you die instantaneously.
As cool as the black hole escape scene is, I feel it could have been entirely avoided if Kirk had ordered the enterprise to increase its distance to the singularity. They could have even waited for the enemy ship to be destroyed from afar, but I guess by then they wouldn't have had visual on it...
If that had been the Enterprise-D crew, or the Voyager crew, you can bet your ass you would have had someone saying "Captain, we should pull back to avoid being pulled into the singularity". Why Spock didn't do it is out of character, done only for Hollywood drama. Proper Trek wouldn't have let it happen.
Everybody on the other ship should die instantly by gravity the moment blackhole is form Enemy ship should have energy weapon instead of only missile which is stupidly slow as we see on screen. How come they warp people out through enemy ship. Shouldnt it have some kind of barrier or Enterprise could simply warp enemy captain out of their ship at will So much plot hole
Kirk had the Enterprise finish off the Narada so that it would not cause trouble someplace else. He could not leave until it was damaged beyond repair.
You guys do remember this is supposed to be fun. Sitting there looking from a distance is like watching paint dry. The whole point is to fill the time on screen with action, not develop a training manual for future cadets.
It's funny that the Enterprise can intercept 100% of the missiles headed toward the Jellyfish, but can't intercept missiles headed toward the Enterprise.
Yep, even current modern cruisers have automatic defense systems, always wondered why Starfleet ships don't try to outmaneuver torpedoes fired at them or even have some small phaser banks that try to shoot them on course. They are always playing sitting duck.
Actually makes sense. Oncoming targets you have a lot less time to lock on. If I'm going forward at 10km/s and the missile is inbound at 10km/s, that means we're approaching at a combined 20km/s. Now on the other hand if I approach that volley crosswise, relative to me those missiles are going 10km/s. Or if I approach from the rear, I might be able to take even longer to aim, since they'd be stationary relative to me.
@@barryon8706 Well Enterprise had another advantage in that phasers are a directed energy weapon. I know these come out like pew pew pulses, but Star Trek canon holds that they are near-instant hits at combat range. But a sustained volley coming at the Enterprise might overwhelm the targeting. So the Enterprise would be limited primarily in how quickly it can make targeting adjustments. A hit's an instant kill traveling at near-light towards something designed to blow up when you have the luxury of not being blown up while you adjust your aim.
I've always thought that photon torpedoes had their own shields ... very powerful for their size, maybe overloaded, since they only need to run for a handful of seconds before impact. That would explain point defense being ... well ... pointless, LOL. Overloaded shields could also explain why they glow like energy weapons.
Well, according to the novelization of this movie, the black hole safely passed out of the Solar System, posing no threat. Interesting to note, there is some speculation that the hypothesized Planet Nine is actually a primordial black hole. It would be about ten times the Earth's mass; the Schwarzschild radius of such a black hole would be about 3.5 inches, meaning that its diameter would be about 7 inches. Obviously, it would not pose any danger to us here on Earth, but if you got close enough to it, you would undergo spaghettification well before you crossed the event horizon (since it's distance from the singularity that dictates the point at which you would be stretched due to the extreme gravitational influence). Of course, this is all based on the assumption that it actually is a black hole and not a Neptune-sized planet, as the prevailing theory holds. But if you ask me, it's actually an exciting prospect if it is a black hole, as we will now be able to study one that is right on our cosmic doorstep.
A small black hole in your backyard is actually a huge advantage to a civilization. If they have enough power to accelerate objects fast enough at the black hole to put them in orbit around it, it will create an accretion disk. Enough mass thrown into an accretion disk would make more energy than a small star in its entire life.
Kelvin universe is a 8 out of 10 definitely a slept on set of movies. It had some great potential but sadly we will probably never see that potential fulfilled.
Goes back in time. Has a chance to save Romulus by helping Spock arrive in time with the Gummy Berry Juice. Instead, he decides to murder billions and allow billions more to die, the same people he was supposedly avenging. 🙄
Hey now you should know logical thought processes are thrown out the window when writing 85% of "modern movies for modern audiences" that and he (nero) was a Romulan so logic is aenthama to his people
Oh, Nero is bat sh!t crazy even by *Romulan* standards by the time this all goes down. Same people don’t load their ship up with dangerously experimental Borg-tech to go back in time. Also if memory serves, the official line of the Romulan government (what’s left of it post-supernova) was that it was all the Federation/Vulcan Science Council’s fault.
@micheljavert5923 true but "he's crazy" is weak writing. Also, regardless of the official statements from the Romulan government, Nero still knows the truth.
Or time. I'm watching this and saying "what are you waiting for dumbass.? GET OUT OF THERE" Seriously if he had just ordered Sulu to come about, they could have gone to warp before the black hole was fully formed. One of the many problems with the Abrams Universe. Making dumb mistakes like this just for a more dramatic scene.
6:20 He may still have had a ways to go. But I consider this to be Kirk's real Kobayashi Maru. He stood in the face of certain and imminent death, and did not panic. At least not enough to fail as Captain. He managed to stay composed, stay focused, and give orders. And it saved everyone. (Everyone Nero didnt kill)
@@mikerodgers7620 thats what i was thinking, this was probably the best of the recent star trek up until that point, yes beyond was terrible but this felt good
I hope Paramount and the actors get their act together and make ST4 in the series. It would be a tragedy not to see this brilliant team go around one more time. Sadly though I'm doubtful it will ever happen😔
In my opinion Abrams captured the "reality" of Trek tech like no other series has up to right now. Case in point, the Universal Translator in Beyond. It showed the alien talking in her language and then it being translated into English. The audience heard both, the way it should be. In TNG the translator is in the comm badge, but nobody wears a bone conduction device or earpiece so does everyone hear the translator out loud?!? The warp bubble in the Abrams films is shown as a bubble around the craft as it travels through warp. The visuals are just amazing. Trek writers have used a warp wave a vessel will ride, but the vessel superstructure can't handle speeds above warp 1. That's why they have the warp field. So unless the warp wave creates a warp field around the vessel, the vessel would be torn apart. The thought that Starfleet vessels don't require all life forms to dial English is also ridiculous. In a battle, imagine losing power mid battle. Who is coordinating damage control of the bad writing of Disco was actually how it was, and the UT can go offline? Abrams Trek should restore the Timeline, crossing into SNW, and establishing a brand new Prime universe from that point forward, with SNW season 3 beginning that new timeline. Only Spock, Scott, and Pike will be aware of the reset timeline as they will protected by temporal tech. Have the reason be that Kirk, in Abramsverse, gets killed, and this one event causes such a ripple that they need to go back to before Kirk was born, and set off a quantum torpedo at the event horizon of the cosmic storm. A cgi aged Zachary Q and aged Simon Pegg are the two that travel back to do it. This can also explain why Chekhov is dead. So from 2233, Kirk's birth, the Timeline would be restored. Erasing all of Discovery, yeah!! Erasing the Spore Drive, the bad uniforms, the red angel, and everything else that makes no sense. They could also use this opportunity to return the 1701 to a more TOS visual ship. Tweaking the visuals so the scenes in TNG Era shows about going back in time actually make sense for people watching them. Or give a reason they don't with one line of dialog akin to "So Scotty, did they show the remains of those orb like vessels found in the ice?" "Look around, they've managed to incorporate about 5% into the Contitution Class vessels. After I submitted my theory for transwarp beaming, I was invited to examine some of wreckage." Bang! Simple and done. Now that takes care of why TOS looks different, giving validity to the Enterprise Borg storyline.
@@bobastu Reality of trek tech? Like the BS personal transporter in the first movie? Just because it all has more bling doesn't mean it's more realistic. And the Narada? Come on..
This scene perfectly captures parenting. The Enterprise point defense knocking out all the torpedoes so the smaller ship can do what the Enterprise couldn't do. The parent protecting the kid so the kid can do what the parent could never accomplish.
As a 59 yr old Star Trek fan I can honestly say that JJ Abrams totally gets the Star Trek universe...especially the way he cast the first one. Every actor was spot on on their portrayal of our beloved first Star Trek crew and I still have to watch it every time I see it playing !!!!!💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖
Sort of… I think the actors were excellent choices; although, I’m not so sure about Chris Pine. He’s good as his own captain, but he’s not Kirk-like. He’s very different. Obviously, no actor wants to just do an impression of a previous actor in a role, but there are certain qualities that need to be retained. I wasn’t a huge fan of the visuals in these movies. The plots were alright. I agree about the casting. In my mind, they’re what saved this from being forgettable and make it rewatchable.
Sorry but I have to disagree. He had the right cast but totally trashed it from the outset. He did not get Star Trek wich is why he had to destroy it first. A savage pity as this could have been a monumental reboot with a new generation of actors.
I've always said this is why Sulu is the badass in this movie- last orders were to stand by, and look for a way to be... useful. I'd say he found the way. Suddenly out of nowhere, guns blazing.
People talking about how the ship was holding together under the strain of a black hole...spock's warp capable ship flew right into it and hardly did any damage.
Warp capable means it can deal with relativistic effects, and that it has inertial dampeners that prevent the crew from turning into red/green mush when going from 0 to full impulse (1/4 c)
Yes he always was a Star Wars fan, that's why some things in his films remind of Star Wars, San Francisco looks like Coruscant and Kirk works like Luke Skywalker.
I swear, riding the explosion from a black hole has to be a Treasure Planet reference. The earliest I can think of where it happens but damn is it always beautiful
One drop can collapse a planet and a whole ship load of it crashes into that romulan ship and explodes. Seems there would be some serious proximity issues for Enterprise.
I doubt there was really any time to as he was in the middle of being chased/shot at, plus download with WHAT device, he didn't have anything that could do that with him during the rescue.
Temporal prime directive was enacted for a reason. They knew the ship was time capable and knew the timeline for the future the old Spock was from. But the ship was too much future.
@Debbie Bernhardt Kirk was the reason the Temperal Prime Directive was enacted in the 1st place in the original time line. In this one neither he nor anyone else from This new time line had done any time traveling so the Temperal Prime Directive doesn't apply since it couldn't have been enacted yet. Since there was no reason for it to have been.
Better than discovery will ever be. Not sure if we'll get another Kelvin timeline... but i actually like the crew. Especially spock, scotty, bones, sulu and pine did a serviceable job as kirk.
The physics are so wrong, if they’re traveling faster than light and still can’t escape then they’ve passed the event horizon and are screwed no matter what. It would have been so easy to say that the black hole was distrupting the warp field and that way the warp core detonation could have added enough force to reach escape velocity. The way its written sounds cool but nowhere else in star trek do they make blunders like that
TOS era Kirk: "Bones, what do you say we make a hasty exit?" Bones: "Couldn't agree more. Get us the hell out of here, Jim." Kirk: "Mr. Sulu, best possible speed. Any heading." Sulu: "Aye, Captain. Warp 7!"
They were at warp speed at that point. The black hole was strong enough that even a ship moving beyond lightspeed wasn’t enough to escape on its own. The explosion of the cores was enough to push the enterprise to a speed adequate for escape
@@deadturret4049 the TOS once reached warp 10, from that one episode where enterprise isnt in their control(i forgot),since the kelvin timeline is based on TOS i doubt it can do the same
I wondered the first time I saw this film and I'm wondering it now... If they ejected the warp core (which is apparently warp coreS), how the heck did the zip around the galaxy afterwards? Maybe there's extra power in all the lens flares on the uber-clean bridge..?
The core doesn't make the warp field; it generates the power required to travel at warp velocity. I imagine there was some power still in the ship to keep the warp drive running to escape the black hole, then it was a matter of towing Enterprise back to a dock to install a new warp core.
Yeah no that ship killed Kirk's father and Spock's mother along with so many other vulcans. Im sure Kirk was thinking: " Either Olive branch or Arrows. Your choice. Those are your ONLY options"
watching the original series when they first aired, i hated the thought of a new reboot, but....after watching this...i felt that these kids are alright.
The bigger irony is that Romulus is not the ancestral home of Romulans. So not only did one Romulan Hybrid doom their adopted home, another Romulan doomed their ancestral one. Tragedy at it's finest.
Looks like there were a lot of folks questioning the way the ship got extricated from yet another mess and that strained a lot of credibility. My own gripe was in another area - the size of the engineering section with all those pipes - including that honkin' big pipe big enough for a man to flow through. Khan's dreadnaught might well have had that much piping, but the Enterprise isn't supposed to be THAT big. I actually don't care that they ejected cores to cause an explosion because it was a matter/antimatter situation. MIght not have relied on having a medium to transmit a shock wave from a blast that might have wrecked the space-time continuum. But of course it was a good thing that they jumped away from Saturn because otherwise that black hole that they built might have devoured the solar system. Having said all that, it is still a matter of suspension of disbelief. Either you can do it or you can't. I could, so I actually enjoyed the production. They got Bones and Scotty perfectly. ZQ made a good Spock, and Chris Pine is a decent Kirk. Then there is Uhura... and Zoe Saldana has the looks as well as the acting experience to play an interstellar babe. And now... R.I.P. Anton Yeltsin.
The idea is that since this is an alternate timeline, Starfleet is a lot more militarized than in the TOS timeline, hence the much larger and more heavily armed ships.
For just action, this was great. But all the shaking, flashing, and flickering was probably hell for people with seizure risk. Also, a ship at warp is going faster than the speed of light. There is no explosion in the universe strong enough to push it out of that gravity well.
while thrilling, why is ejecting the warp core always the solution? If they WERE at warp holding position but slowly slipping, wouldnt ejecting the core cause them to LOSE warp speed and instantly get sucked into the whole?
Very entertaining movie, sound effects are astounding (yes i know, no sound in space, but wow). lots of action, and kirk delegates others for idea's (a perfect captain). Oh and the score, an absolute masterpiece.
Nice episode of _Star Wars_. We got: - Endless flashing lights [PHOTOSENSITIVE WARNING] - Constant wavy swishy motion (hope the theaters provided barf bags) - Star Wars space racers - Star Wars type bad guys - Star Wars type battleships - Zip zap zing (like Star Wars) Also, the plaster ceiling of the Enterprise starts cracking apart. Hope they remembered to bring the caulk and spackle.
I never understood the ending. If Narada crossed universe using a black hole made by Red Matter, it means black holes are traversable. Then why would it get destroyed this time and not just get sent into another universe?
4:40 "Arm phasers fire everything we got" If that wormhole delivers the Nardia to somewhere, it'll be in pieces Personally I like to think that the blast we saw at the end of Picard S02 is the other end of this wormhole. The explosive energy along with the core explosion sucked into a wormhole will look like a concentrated beam.
Last time the wormhole sucked them in this time it’s at the center of their ship ripping them apart so if the parts are sent though it’s highly compromised and would kill everyone on board
No matter the timeline, Original Enterprise has gone through a lot s8it that should have destroyed her. But she doesn't because she's on a mission to save as much of her crew as possible. Because like Gerodi said: take good care of her because she always takes good care of you. She certainly proves the point. She was 45 years old when she finally died and she took, not her crew with her, but an enemy crew seeking to kill them. But I'm pretty sure she would be glad to avoid a Black Hole in the original timeline: this one is just *insane*
@@SantomPhHave you seen the last episode of Season 3 of Picard? Same thing no matter what the Enterprise. Because, after all, they all took their name from *THIS* one.
yeh no this enterprise varient is insane, the Kelvin Timeline apparently had tech catapulted ahead due to the temporal incursion, plus militarised the Federation vessels in a manner which led to a doctrine of them being larger (but the USS. Kelvin was already a big ass ship for its time but i think thats just an inconsistency)
Great visual effects. But a few things that are part of the reason I don't like JJ-Trek: - How does Kirk know the Enterprise is around? It's not like there are a lot of windows on that Starship. I also didn't see a communicator. - The ship is engulft in a forming black hole. What will a few phaser and torpedo hits change? - The line "We could eject the Warp Core. It could help, it could not." is stolen from Star Trek: Insurrection. - Why is the warp core explosion so large? Why don't you have some more of those on board to beam closely to the enemy ship and then detonate? Wouldn't that be more effective than phasers and photon torpedoes? - Did the writers know that, in order for Warp Speed, you need the energy output from the Warp Core? If the ship is standing still on maximum warp, it should most certainly be pulled in very quickly if you eject the core and drop to impuls. So that's an impressive list of plot holes. Around one per minute. Aside from the hysteric behavior of the crew of the Enterprise, the rest was pretty good. I like the design of the command bridge. It's rather bright compared to the newer designs on DSC and Picard.
Realistically, they would have been able to get away just fine. The place where the escape velocity is faster than light is the event horizon, where it’s dark. They are not in the black hole
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"I've never beamed *three* people from *two* targets onto *one* pad before!"
Easily one of my favorite lines from the film!
If he never did it, it must have been a new experience for Mr. Scott, not for nothing did the Enterprise always be proud to have him included as someone trained in this type of teleportation thing.
Has anybody got a towel?
What his line should have been was aye aye sir to a command of warp nine right now as soon as they hit pad
three two one, nice catch!
" I got your gun." That's classic kirk. No matter the timeline.
When you have to shoot, just shoot, don’t talk.
- Taco from the good the bad and the ugly.
@@JamesBond-hm3bw word's to live by my friend.
Done and Done with zero silly conversations.
In movie parlance they refer to it as ; monologuing.
Chris Pine is my favorite Kirk. Way better than Strange New Worlds.
Wish Pine and Gal Gadot could star in Trek together, she could be his wife... Admiral T. Kirk. (T for Tiffany)
The Enterprise coming out of warp firing like a bat out of hell was awesome.
and with no warp core, can you imagine that.
@@kingsman8475 i can
My ships do that in emergency
ITS A ENERGY SOURCE FOR WARP
@@kingsman8475 Yes I can imagine that because this scene is *before* Kirk ordered the warp cores to eject to propel them out of the singularity
@@kingsman8475the Enterprise still had it's warp core at that point
And with 'phasers' that look more like Star Wars laser bolts.
"FIRE EVERYTHING!" Simple, yet iconic.
EVEN THE TRIBBLES?!?!
Pretty incredible how their ship is structurally able to withstand the light, time, and gravity, bending characteristics of a blackhole AS WELL AS an explosion large and powerful enough to overcome those incomprehensible forces to push it with opposite force out of the blackhole. Imagine the overwhelming structural stress the ship was enduring, if their material science can endure that surely it could also endure any weapon ever fired against the ship lol
Plot armor is super tough!
Plotinum mk.III to be precise.
You're overthinking it. As soon as they ejected the warp core, they should have no longer been able to sustain the warp speed that was keeping them at distance from the singularity and should have instantly fallen into it.
@@TheRealAfroRick well... that's...
The first law of plotinatic effects:
*Due to interference from a higher dimensional being, physical laws and properties are filtered, reducing immense efforts into smaller efforts*
For non-readers: because the narrator decided so, the main protagonists can't die so easily.
The explosion was like being hit or projected by a deflating ballon the energy was too vast and just rocked the ship. A surfboard caught in a big wave.
No matter how many times I watch this, Scotty is the real MVP to me
Scotty - THE MIRACLE WORKER !
Scotty's ALWAYS the MVP.
XD i mean he only just blew up a artificial Black Hole with warp cores
Sulu is the one doing all the fancy flying tho
6:11 "Okay, if we eject the core and detonate, the blast could be enough to push us away."
6:28 *launches multiple cores*
"Hey Scotty I thought you said *THE* core not all 15 of them."
keeping 14 if 1 didn't work meant death.... they only had one chance..... let her rip
@@joeclayton2121 I was joking/memeing over the poor writing that he said *THE* core meaning they only had one but then seconds later you see them eject multiple cores.
Also doesn't it need the core to stay at warp?
@@sticky170 Yes. Without it the ship cannot maintain a warp bubble and thus drop out of warp.The warp core generates ionized gas ("electro-plasma") which is the "EP" in the often heard "EPS conduits" or "EPS power taps". This is the only source powerful enough to drive the warp coils and provide FTL flight. The entire ship can be run for unlimited periods of time off this system.
@@Darth1Marik you really are a star trek fan
Considering the ship was getting sucked into a black hole, surely the waste of ammo on it was illogical, and the time spent on useless attacks put the ship in greater danger. They might have been able to get away without losing the core.
Serious post incident review needed, which should result in disciplinary action.
Its James T. Kirk,
What do you expect. Lol
or how about use the red matter to kill the supernova thats about to waste romulus since its the past now instead of contuing this useless movie.
@@ivanivan4265 no, it's Nu-Kirk
@@MarAntTheOG there is over a century before the supernova
@@augustjsb so why not prevent the supernova before it even happens?
> "Let's waste time and resources fireing at an already doomed ship."
< "Oh no. The black hole cought us."
I thought similarly while first seeing it on the big screen in '09. "Why fire on a dying ship that YOU JUST OFFERED ASSISTANCE TO?"
It isn’t exactly black hole. It is wormhole. Narada already traveled once
@@esean1that part makes perfect sense. They're still enemy combatants and have said they're not going to stop fighting. So you keep going until the threat is gone. It's war and, unless they surrender, your job is to make their bad day as bad as it can possibly be.
Sticking around to get caught in the gravity well was just plain silly, though. Hanging back and shooting would have been like holding a midget at arm's length and repeatedly kicking him in the balls. But no, gotta do the stupid thing so they can get out of it in a pointlessly destructive and improbable way.
@@ts757arse Yeah I feel like this is the sort of decision that would have been torn to shreds in an after action review, given the extensive damage caused to the ship, and the near death of everyone on-board.
@@TheAero1221 "Where is the flight recorder?"
"Black hole"
"And that's where anyone who tells command what really happened here is gonna end up."
"But...."
*hovers finger over button* "These transporters still work... Do you want to spend eternity as spaghetti thinking about what you've done?"
"You're a hero."
"Better."
I’m sure the thought of letting them die in the black hole did come across their minds. I think shooting them was an act of mercy and compassion like Kirk said when he offered assistance.
Plus they went through one black hole and it just sent them back in time so this is one way of confirming that they died instead of just assuming it.
A guy that dangerous (I mean he destroyed a planet) you don't take risks, you keep shooting until you're out, or there's nothing left to shoot.
Exactly.
You would die immediately getting sucked into a black hole anyway
@@Icetea-2000 No you don't. In fact the larger the black hole, the longer you have before you reach the singularity, especially if you're not nosing directly down into it but are being pulled in like a spiral. This opens up some very interesting thought experiments because from the perspective of an outside observer, you never fall into a black hole. You freeze at the event horizon and remain there forever, slowly red-shifting away until you're gone. But from your perspective falling in, you cross the event horizon just fine. You're able to look up to the dwindling bit of space you can still see and see eons pass in seconds.
@@adamb89 Yes but when you die you die, there’s no suffering, your body is being stretched like spaghetti but obviously you can’t live like that, your brain would be pulled apart making you die instantaneously.
I like the bald space elf. He faced the music with dignity.
As cool as the black hole escape scene is, I feel it could have been entirely avoided if Kirk had ordered the enterprise to increase its distance to the singularity. They could have even waited for the enemy ship to be destroyed from afar, but I guess by then they wouldn't have had visual on it...
If that had been the Enterprise-D crew, or the Voyager crew, you can bet your ass you would have had someone saying "Captain, we should pull back to avoid being pulled into the singularity". Why Spock didn't do it is out of character, done only for Hollywood drama. Proper Trek wouldn't have let it happen.
Everybody on the other ship should die instantly by gravity the moment blackhole is form
Enemy ship should have energy weapon instead of only missile which is stupidly slow as we see on screen.
How come they warp people out through enemy ship. Shouldnt it have some kind of barrier or Enterprise could simply warp enemy captain out of their ship at will
So much plot hole
They needed to give Scotty a reason to say "I'm giving it all she's got"
Kirk had the Enterprise finish off the Narada so that it would not cause trouble someplace else. He could not leave until it was damaged beyond repair.
You guys do remember this is supposed to be fun. Sitting there looking from a distance is like watching paint dry. The whole point is to fill the time on screen with action, not develop a training manual for future cadets.
It's funny that the Enterprise can intercept 100% of the missiles headed toward the Jellyfish, but can't intercept missiles headed toward the Enterprise.
Yep, even current modern cruisers have automatic defense systems, always wondered why Starfleet ships don't try to outmaneuver torpedoes fired at them or even have some small phaser banks that try to shoot them on course. They are always playing sitting duck.
Actually makes sense. Oncoming targets you have a lot less time to lock on. If I'm going forward at 10km/s and the missile is inbound at 10km/s, that means we're approaching at a combined 20km/s. Now on the other hand if I approach that volley crosswise, relative to me those missiles are going 10km/s. Or if I approach from the rear, I might be able to take even longer to aim, since they'd be stationary relative to me.
@@adamb89 I don't know. In principle, sure, but the missiles incoming against Enterprise were moving slowly enough to see coming.
@@barryon8706 Well Enterprise had another advantage in that phasers are a directed energy weapon. I know these come out like pew pew pulses, but Star Trek canon holds that they are near-instant hits at combat range. But a sustained volley coming at the Enterprise might overwhelm the targeting. So the Enterprise would be limited primarily in how quickly it can make targeting adjustments. A hit's an instant kill traveling at near-light towards something designed to blow up when you have the luxury of not being blown up while you adjust your aim.
I've always thought that photon torpedoes had their own shields ... very powerful for their size, maybe overloaded, since they only need to run for a handful of seconds before impact. That would explain point defense being ... well ... pointless, LOL. Overloaded shields could also explain why they glow like energy weapons.
seeing the enterprise come out of warp phasers blasting will never get old.
Scotty " You bet your ass Captain" Love that line!!
"So what do we do now that we've created a black hole in the Sol system?"
"Umm..."
Well, according to the novelization of this movie, the black hole safely passed out of the Solar System, posing no threat.
Interesting to note, there is some speculation that the hypothesized Planet Nine is actually a primordial black hole. It would be about ten times the Earth's mass; the Schwarzschild radius of such a black hole would be about 3.5 inches, meaning that its diameter would be about 7 inches.
Obviously, it would not pose any danger to us here on Earth, but if you got close enough to it, you would undergo spaghettification well before you crossed the event horizon (since it's distance from the singularity that dictates the point at which you would be stretched due to the extreme gravitational influence).
Of course, this is all based on the assumption that it actually is a black hole and not a Neptune-sized planet, as the prevailing theory holds. But if you ask me, it's actually an exciting prospect if it is a black hole, as we will now be able to study one that is right on our cosmic doorstep.
WE did not.. Vulcans did in the future and this large ship came thru
It should be a pretty small black hole (not much mass to consume), so it should radiate away pretty quickly.
A small black hole in your backyard is actually a huge advantage to a civilization. If they have enough power to accelerate objects fast enough at the black hole to put them in orbit around it, it will create an accretion disk. Enough mass thrown into an accretion disk would make more energy than a small star in its entire life.
was not in the sol system, they jumped away
Kelvin universe is a 8 out of 10 definitely a slept on set of movies. It had some great potential but sadly we will probably never see that potential fulfilled.
The precision for the Enterprise to come in and hit EVERY missile is unreal!! I love it!!!
its called weapons lock
It is the most accurate thing about future space weapons, We have this technology at the moment.
@@dt9327 we have othee things to, dear oh dear some people need to learn.
That’s what phasers do, they hit their targets accurately. It’s why they don’t have starfighters in their universe.
@@NeroVingian40 they have attack fighters and smaller little attack ships. so you're wrong man
Goes back in time. Has a chance to save Romulus by helping Spock arrive in time with the Gummy Berry Juice. Instead, he decides to murder billions and allow billions more to die, the same people he was supposedly avenging. 🙄
Hey now you should know logical thought processes are thrown out the window when writing 85% of "modern movies for modern audiences" that and he (nero) was a Romulan so logic is aenthama to his people
Oh, Nero is bat sh!t crazy even by *Romulan* standards by the time this all goes down. Same people don’t load their ship up with dangerously experimental Borg-tech to go back in time. Also if memory serves, the official line of the Romulan government (what’s left of it post-supernova) was that it was all the Federation/Vulcan Science Council’s fault.
@micheljavert5923 true but "he's crazy" is weak writing. Also, regardless of the official statements from the Romulan government, Nero still knows the truth.
Not the best Star Trek movie, but Nero is one of the best Star Trek villains. Eric Bana did a great job.
The prequel graphic novel gave him a lot of much-needed backstory.
Yeah. He did the pointless screaming much better than the other movie villians.
Sitting next to Scotty is Chris Doohan the son of original Scotty actor James Doohan.
really?
Tres cool.
@@Ghostbuster_Webs Really.
And who later played Mr. Scot(ty), in Star Trek Continues
Knowing they will be destroyed by the Black Hole, TOS Kirk wouldn't have wasted the ammo
Kirk screwed up by not blasting on the run anticipating what was gonna happen! Spock fucked up as well!!! Amateures!!!!
So yrue, but but it wouldn't have been exciting enough lol
Or time. I'm watching this and saying "what are you waiting for dumbass.? GET OUT OF THERE"
Seriously if he had just ordered Sulu to come about, they could have gone to warp before the black hole was fully formed. One of the many problems with the Abrams Universe. Making dumb mistakes like this just for a more dramatic scene.
Because fuk'em!
Lol. Its a movie. They needed extra drama. And also a reason for Scotty to say "I'm giving her all she's got!"
They yelled more when they were younger. As they aged, they transitioned to older equipment and became more dignified.
Enterprise is pretty badass coming out of warp straight into battle. .
"Give me everything you've got, Mr Scott!" "Aye, sir, I'm brewing as fast as I can!"
6:20
He may still have had a ways to go.
But I consider this to be Kirk's real Kobayashi Maru.
He stood in the face of certain and imminent death, and did not panic. At least not enough to fail as Captain. He managed to stay composed, stay focused, and give orders. And it saved everyone. (Everyone Nero didnt kill)
this movie got way more hate than it deserved back then. i really liked it tbh
What? From who/whom?
same
@@mikerodgers7620 thats what i was thinking, this was probably the best of the recent star trek up until that point, yes beyond was terrible but this felt good
Right. This was a fine reboot. They did well with the casting too.@@bencurran3204
What? No. It didn't get nearly enough.
6:42 has to be one of the all time awesome shots of any enterprise
Kirk was helping the Romulans die in agony as their Captain requested.
"You've got it"
That was such a perfect Kirk moment. It perfectly encapsulates his style of badassery
Nero: NOOO, WE WILL ALL HORTIBLY DUE FOR ETERNITY, BEFORE ASKING FOR A HUMAN'S HELP.
Random Romulan Miner #33: PLEASE GOD, I DON'T WANNA DIE
The soundtrack to this movie is awesome. Excellent sound effects
I hope Paramount and the actors get their act together and make ST4 in the series. It would be a tragedy not to see this brilliant team go around one more time. Sadly though I'm doubtful it will ever happen😔
The only good things about this thing was Zachary Quintos as Spock and Nimoy as Ambassador Spock 🖖
@@LSOK38 agreed. the rest is brainless.
In my opinion Abrams captured the "reality" of Trek tech like no other series has up to right now. Case in point, the Universal Translator in Beyond. It showed the alien talking in her language and then it being translated into English. The audience heard both, the way it should be.
In TNG the translator is in the comm badge, but nobody wears a bone conduction device or earpiece so does everyone hear the translator out loud?!?
The warp bubble in the Abrams films is shown as a bubble around the craft as it travels through warp. The visuals are just amazing. Trek writers have used a warp wave a vessel will ride, but the vessel superstructure can't handle speeds above warp 1. That's why they have the warp field. So unless the warp wave creates a warp field around the vessel, the vessel would be torn apart. The thought that Starfleet vessels don't require all life forms to dial English is also ridiculous. In a battle, imagine losing power mid battle. Who is coordinating damage control of the bad writing of Disco was actually how it was, and the UT can go offline?
Abrams Trek should restore the Timeline, crossing into SNW, and establishing a brand new Prime universe from that point forward, with SNW season 3 beginning that new timeline. Only Spock, Scott, and Pike will be aware of the reset timeline as they will protected by temporal tech.
Have the reason be that Kirk, in Abramsverse, gets killed, and this one event causes such a ripple that they need to go back to before Kirk was born, and set off a quantum torpedo at the event horizon of the cosmic storm. A cgi aged Zachary Q and aged Simon Pegg are the two that travel back to do it. This can also explain why Chekhov is dead.
So from 2233, Kirk's birth, the Timeline would be restored. Erasing all of Discovery, yeah!! Erasing the Spore Drive, the bad uniforms, the red angel, and everything else that makes no sense. They could also use this opportunity to return the 1701 to a more TOS visual ship. Tweaking the visuals so the scenes in TNG Era shows about going back in time actually make sense for people watching them. Or give a reason they don't with one line of dialog akin to
"So Scotty, did they show the remains of those orb like vessels found in the ice?"
"Look around, they've managed to incorporate about 5% into the Contitution Class vessels. After I submitted my theory for transwarp beaming, I was invited to examine some of wreckage."
Bang! Simple and done. Now that takes care of why TOS looks different, giving validity to the Enterprise Borg storyline.
@@bobastu Reality of trek tech? Like the BS personal transporter in the first movie? Just because it all has more bling doesn't mean it's more realistic. And the Narada? Come on..
They are . Script is done
This scene perfectly captures parenting. The Enterprise point defense knocking out all the torpedoes so the smaller ship can do what the Enterprise couldn't do. The parent protecting the kid so the kid can do what the parent could never accomplish.
As a 59 yr old Star Trek fan I can honestly say that JJ Abrams totally gets the Star Trek universe...especially the way he cast the first one. Every actor was spot on on their portrayal of our beloved first Star Trek crew and I still have to watch it every time I see it playing !!!!!💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖
Sort of… I think the actors were excellent choices; although, I’m not so sure about Chris Pine. He’s good as his own captain, but he’s not Kirk-like. He’s very different. Obviously, no actor wants to just do an impression of a previous actor in a role, but there are certain qualities that need to be retained.
I wasn’t a huge fan of the visuals in these movies. The plots were alright.
I agree about the casting. In my mind, they’re what saved this from being forgettable and make it rewatchable.
Sorry but I have to disagree. He had the right cast but totally trashed it from the outset. He did not get Star Trek wich is why he had to destroy it first. A savage pity as this could have been a monumental reboot with a new generation of actors.
JJ's a hack.
@@jkleylein Not always, but he seemed to be here.
@Captain-General Kittonius I can agree with that.
4:51 Me finally beating the final boss on Space Invaders
I saw this movie the first with the Omaha symphony playing the soundtrack live.
. . . it was amazing!
The sounds of the Enterprise’s engines stressing at 5:51, 6:00, and 6:49 is just pure 😩
5:44 leads the way, @ max warp, but no apparent progress. Extraordinary.
I've always said this is why Sulu is the badass in this movie- last orders were to stand by, and look for a way to be... useful. I'd say he found the way. Suddenly out of nowhere, guns blazing.
Agreed
Something about detonating massive amounts of warp energy near a gravitation singularity sounds dangerous to the entire space-time continuum.
People talking about how the ship was holding together under the strain of a black hole...spock's warp capable ship flew right into it and hardly did any damage.
Warp capable means it can deal with relativistic effects, and that it has inertial dampeners that prevent the crew from turning into red/green mush when going from 0 to full impulse (1/4 c)
First JJ Star Trek movie was good, except for the Spock-on-moon-of-Vulcan bit, especially the part with the giant lobster. JJ loves giant monsters.
Yes he always was a Star Wars fan, that's why some things in his films remind of Star Wars, San Francisco looks like Coruscant and Kirk works like Luke Skywalker.
0:26 that jump tho 🔥
It’s so fire to see that
I can understand offering help... But shooting!?? Just friggin' go!
Dunt even know how they could've helped when they barely even got out without helping 😂
Going to take a hell of a long time to get back to Starbase on impulse power.
Ships can be towed though. One subspace communication to earth and theyd have a ride home in a few days at most.
Say what you want about JJ Trek but this soundtrack has probably my favorite Star Trek theme.
Would've been cool to see that giant Romulan ship vs. the USS Vengeance from "Into Darkness."
I swear, riding the explosion from a black hole has to be a Treasure Planet reference. The earliest I can think of where it happens but damn is it always beautiful
There was no Star Trek in this movie, just mindless pew pew pew and explosions.
one thing i love most about this movie is the score.
I forgot how much I enjoyed this film
When movies were so good you could watch over and over, still being entertained
One of the Great movie saga of all time! Its 10 for me 👌
For all of the Kelvin movie timelines faults, the soundtrack is amazing.
One drop can collapse a planet and a whole ship load of it crashes into that romulan ship and explodes.
Seems there would be some serious proximity issues for Enterprise.
To quote Farscape: "Steady retreat while continuing to fire."
I know it didn't do them much good either, but it's a more sensible order.
"What do you mean, Flash Gordon approaching!? Open fire! All weapons!"
The younger Spock should have downloaded everything in that ships computer before the ship was destroyed.
I doubt there was really any time to as he was in the middle of being chased/shot at, plus download with WHAT device, he didn't have anything that could do that with him during the rescue.
@heintz256 with tech that advanced I doubt it would have been that time consuming. Just a verbal order would have done it.
Temporal prime directive was enacted for a reason. They knew the ship was time capable and knew the timeline for the future the old Spock was from. But the ship was too much future.
@Debbie Bernhardt Kirk was the reason the Temperal Prime Directive was enacted in the 1st place in the original time line. In this one neither he nor anyone else from This new time line had done any time traveling so the Temperal Prime Directive doesn't apply since it couldn't have been enacted yet. Since there was no reason for it to have been.
@@russell5078084 Spock of old was forced to violate the temporal prime directive.
Better than discovery will ever be. Not sure if we'll get another Kelvin timeline... but i actually like the crew. Especially spock, scotty, bones, sulu and pine did a serviceable job as kirk.
Anything is better than STD at this point
Lol, that brewery engine room though.
It’s NOT a black hole ship…it’s a ROMULAN SPACE THISTLE.
This was probably my 3rd favorite Star Wars movie.
The physics are so wrong, if they’re traveling faster than light and still can’t escape then they’ve passed the event horizon and are screwed no matter what. It would have been so easy to say that the black hole was distrupting the warp field and that way the warp core detonation could have added enough force to reach escape velocity. The way its written sounds cool but nowhere else in star trek do they make blunders like that
Correct
TOS era Kirk: "Bones, what do you say we make a hasty exit?"
Bones: "Couldn't agree more. Get us the hell out of here, Jim."
Kirk: "Mr. Sulu, best possible speed. Any heading."
Sulu: "Aye, Captain. Warp 7!"
Best scene?
"Why aren't we at warp yet?"
"We are sir!!!"
And then it shows the Enterprise standing still in front of the blackhole.
Yeah
That's the point
They were at warp speed at that point. The black hole was strong enough that even a ship moving beyond lightspeed wasn’t enough to escape on its own. The explosion of the cores was enough to push the enterprise to a speed adequate for escape
@@jejeakle it was actually almost 7 times the speed of light, given the enterprise capable of warp 7-9
@@ryandanial i think the Enterprise A maxxed out at 4.5 in TOS. Enterprise D did warp 9 i think. Not sure about kelvin timeline though
@@deadturret4049 the TOS once reached warp 10, from that one episode where enterprise isnt in their control(i forgot),since the kelvin timeline is based on TOS i doubt it can do the same
Allein schon die Musik, Weltklasse 😊
I wondered the first time I saw this film and I'm wondering it now... If they ejected the warp core (which is apparently warp coreS), how the heck did the zip around the galaxy afterwards? Maybe there's extra power in all the lens flares on the uber-clean bridge..?
Those ejected ones were auxilliary warp cores
The core doesn't make the warp field; it generates the power required to travel at warp velocity. I imagine there was some power still in the ship to keep the warp drive running to escape the black hole, then it was a matter of towing Enterprise back to a dock to install a new warp core.
After surviving they could call for a re-supply so they don't have to fly several light years at impulse power
They were still on the outskirts of our solar system
Impulse engine and limp to nearest station i guess.
. . and The Enterprise comes to the rescue, guns-a-blazing !
Yeah no that ship killed Kirk's father and Spock's mother along with so many other vulcans. Im sure Kirk was thinking: " Either Olive branch or Arrows. Your choice. Those are your ONLY options"
a part of Kirk was hoping Nero wouldn't sue for peace just so he can get vengeance for the man who killed his father and ruined his life.
Option A: escape the black hole safely
Option B: waste all your ammo on a doomed ship
Love the star trek movie series exactly because of epic moments like this. hope st4 will come out soon
"I got your gun."
watching the original series when they first aired, i hated the thought of a new reboot, but....after watching this...i felt that these kids are alright.
I’m gonna miss these new Kelvin Timeline Star Treks.
This movie isn't so traditional star trek like it got multiple cores... but still it's hell of a movie!
This little maneuver gonna cost us couple of centuries....
Such a great scene that they just couldn't find a way to put in the other movies.
I still like Ryker and LaForge better when he tells Jordi to release the core and Jordi replies I already did
If they only knew that the planet was wipped out due to a romulan messing with the iconians about a billion years ago. Romulus is such a tragedy.
The bigger irony is that Romulus is not the ancestral home of Romulans. So not only did one Romulan Hybrid doom their adopted home, another Romulan doomed their ancestral one. Tragedy at it's finest.
Say what you want about Star Trek 2009, but the Enterprise coming out of Warp and taking out those torpedos is freaking awesome.
Looks like there were a lot of folks questioning the way the ship got extricated from yet another mess and that strained a lot of credibility. My own gripe was in another area - the size of the engineering section with all those pipes - including that honkin' big pipe big enough for a man to flow through. Khan's dreadnaught might well have had that much piping, but the Enterprise isn't supposed to be THAT big. I actually don't care that they ejected cores to cause an explosion because it was a matter/antimatter situation. MIght not have relied on having a medium to transmit a shock wave from a blast that might have wrecked the space-time continuum. But of course it was a good thing that they jumped away from Saturn because otherwise that black hole that they built might have devoured the solar system.
Having said all that, it is still a matter of suspension of disbelief. Either you can do it or you can't. I could, so I actually enjoyed the production. They got Bones and Scotty perfectly. ZQ made a good Spock, and Chris Pine is a decent Kirk. Then there is Uhura... and Zoe Saldana has the looks as well as the acting experience to play an interstellar babe. And now... R.I.P. Anton Yeltsin.
The idea is that since this is an alternate timeline, Starfleet is a lot more militarized than in the TOS timeline, hence the much larger and more heavily armed ships.
For just action, this was great.
But all the shaking, flashing, and flickering was probably hell for people with seizure risk.
Also, a ship at warp is going faster than the speed of light. There is no explosion in the universe strong enough to push it out of that gravity well.
while thrilling, why is ejecting the warp core always the solution? If they WERE at warp holding position but slowly slipping, wouldnt ejecting the core cause them to LOSE warp speed and instantly get sucked into the whole?
Movie logic, you make ships lighter and faster by throwing stuff out of the back even if it's stuff that powers the ship.
@@DavidLee-vi8ds And in the vacuum of space.
Probably redundancy. Who knows how many are on the ship, but tossing them out as bombs may work if they are explosive. Still not the best writing.
@@Zeigy Well explosions can push things in the vacuum of space, but not as effective as through a medium such as air.
Kelvin-Spock has a certain Geordi La Forge to thank for the Jellyfish!
Very entertaining movie, sound effects are astounding (yes i know, no sound in space, but wow). lots of action, and kirk delegates others for idea's (a perfect captain). Oh and the score, an absolute masterpiece.
Moments like that, that make the bottle of malt taste all the better.
Star Trek > Star Wars
Totally
Nice episode of _Star Wars_.
We got:
- Endless flashing lights [PHOTOSENSITIVE WARNING]
- Constant wavy swishy motion (hope the theaters provided barf bags)
- Star Wars space racers
- Star Wars type bad guys
- Star Wars type battleships
- Zip zap zing (like Star Wars)
Also, the plaster ceiling of the Enterprise starts cracking apart. Hope they remembered to bring the caulk and spackle.
Its hilarious when this youtuber calls the narada a black hole ship when its clearly a romulan mining vessel 😂😂
Yep....darn ship was definitely made of PLOT-ARMORium....🤣🤣🤣
2:06 Enterprise, engage!
OWARI DA!
This series of movies really is underrated.
I never understood the ending. If Narada crossed universe using a black hole made by Red Matter, it means black holes are traversable.
Then why would it get destroyed this time and not just get sent into another universe?
4:40
"Arm phasers fire everything we got"
If that wormhole delivers the Nardia to somewhere, it'll be in pieces
Personally I like to think that the blast we saw at the end of Picard S02 is the other end of this wormhole. The explosive energy along with the core explosion sucked into a wormhole will look like a concentrated beam.
Last time the wormhole sucked them in this time it’s at the center of their ship ripping them apart so if the parts are sent though it’s highly compromised and would kill everyone on board
Compassion to one's enemy. Was my favorite part. There is no shame in it.
No matter the timeline, Original Enterprise has gone through a lot s8it that should have destroyed her. But she doesn't because she's on a mission to save as much of her crew as possible. Because like Gerodi said: take good care of her because she always takes good care of you. She certainly proves the point.
She was 45 years old when she finally died and she took, not her crew with her, but an enemy crew seeking to kill them. But I'm pretty sure she would be glad to avoid a Black Hole in the original timeline: this one is just *insane*
I thought it was old McCoy who said "treat her like a lady and she'll take you home."
@@SantomPhHave you seen the last episode of Season 3 of Picard?
Same thing no matter what the Enterprise. Because, after all, they all took their name from *THIS* one.
yeh no this enterprise varient is insane, the Kelvin Timeline apparently had tech catapulted ahead due to the temporal incursion, plus militarised the Federation vessels in a manner which led to a doctrine of them being larger (but the USS. Kelvin was already a big ass ship for its time but i think thats just an inconsistency)
Great visual effects. But a few things that are part of the reason I don't like JJ-Trek:
- How does Kirk know the Enterprise is around? It's not like there are a lot of windows on that Starship. I also didn't see a communicator.
- The ship is engulft in a forming black hole. What will a few phaser and torpedo hits change?
- The line "We could eject the Warp Core. It could help, it could not." is stolen from Star Trek: Insurrection.
- Why is the warp core explosion so large? Why don't you have some more of those on board to beam closely to the enemy ship and then detonate? Wouldn't that be more effective than phasers and photon torpedoes?
- Did the writers know that, in order for Warp Speed, you need the energy output from the Warp Core? If the ship is standing still on maximum warp, it should most certainly be pulled in very quickly if you eject the core and drop to impuls.
So that's an impressive list of plot holes. Around one per minute. Aside from the hysteric behavior of the crew of the Enterprise, the rest was pretty good. I like the design of the command bridge. It's rather bright compared to the newer designs on DSC and Picard.
"I've got your gun."
How's that for plot armor?
This is before TOS, what did you expect?
Realistically, they would have been able to get away just fine. The place where the escape velocity is faster than light is the event horizon, where it’s dark. They are not in the black hole
So, the teleporters are smart enough to beam you into a standing posture at the destination even from a sitting position at your point of origin?