Strange answers to the psychopath test | Jon Ronson | TED
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Is there a definitive line that divides crazy from sane? With a hair-raising delivery, Jon Ronson, author of The Psychopath Test, illuminates the gray areas between the two. (With live-mixed sound by Julian Treasure and animation by Evan Grant.)
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Tony: I'm not a psychopath!
Tony's doctor: *That's exactly what a psychopath would say!*
catch 22 right there
666th like, hail satan.
when people think you are sane it is easier to convince them you are crazy than it is when they think you are crazy and you are trying to convince them you are sane
When i read this i see the meme with the 2 girls yelling and the cat at the table😂😂
Narcissists are easy. They love admitting they're narcissists, for the most part.
,,There's about 30 or 40 psychopaths in this room."
Psychopaths in the room: *laughing inside*
Like a sideshow Bob laugh 😂
Nope, they were the one laughing out the loudest:)
Actually most psychopaths dont even know they are
It's other that cinsider them as such, that Is the strange thing to understand
Psychopath's mostly blend in with the crowd to appear normal, so they'd probably laugh the loudest in the crowd.
The absolute best Ted Talk I've ever heard. "He's a gray area in a world that doesn't like gray areas. But the gray areas are where you find the complexity." The majority of societal problems has to do with the many labels and stereotypes places upon things. If those left, we would be a lot better off.
In some cases you would be right...in others, many of us would be wandering lost in a fog looking for someone to lead us.
Reality is everything is sjhades of grey. Not black and white
I wonder how many find this confidence in diagnosis and prescription to be ironically simplistic...
That's why I'm anti LGBT
He has several very interesting books, he mingles with extremists, for example, to understand their point, which I respect greatly
Don’t mind this comment: I’m just writing down some time code I’ll have to use for a school presentation:
Tony’s story : 2:24
Tony sane-looking outfit : 4:21
Convince you’re sane : 5:56
"sitting like a journalist" : 6:35
Statistics: 8:50
Capitalism : 9:25
AI Dunlap’s grand Florida mansion: 10:52
Dunlap psychopath checklist : 12:19
Journalist defining by the maddest edges: 13:49
Everyone is a bit psychopathic : 15:46
Gray area : 16:54
Actually thank u, that will help me too in the very near future
sounds like it’d be a really good presentation. i’d be entertained the whole time if i was hearing this story for the first time in class.
Al Dunlap prob needs that mansion to affirm he is smarter than the rest of the world. A psychopath needs nothing to convince themselves they are smarter than the rest of the world. Oil painting too.
How did the presentation go?
was it a school presentation? hope you got a good grade 😊
Imagine after the speech he just started laughing and said “ That's right. I am Tony ”
Lol
HOLY GOD-
That would have been awesome
Woah
I've looked at this comment for about 3 minutes or not, and I'm still not sure if this is a Death Note reference or not lol.
I think the biggest problem is that if you tell someone for 14 years every day that they are insane, at one point they start to believe you.
there's a term for that in psychology, self-fulfilling prophecy, you can show it by providing positive and negative feedbacks to people's goals and see what happens
That’s not a problem , ain’t nobody be telling someone that everyday for 14 years my guy
@@mello3762 there is no need to say anything when you lock them up in a psychiatric ward and won't let them leave. That brings the message across well enough.
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there is like a thing that if a doctor or somebody that you trust says that if you take a pill or something it will actually have an affect even if the pill does nothing idk what it is called like if you say: what is that smell it smells so bad. and like hold your nose people will think it will smell
surprised the checklist didn't have "stands in a dimly lit room with two very bald men behind him in the shadows"
Nah, he just left that out because then it'd be too obvious /s
I remember learning about a psychology study where the researchers would admit themselves into a mental hospital. Don't remember too much of the details, but the main point was once you're labelled as "insane" it's extremely hard to remove the tag. Even if you behave normally (which is hard to do when you're actively trying to behave normally) and deny that you're insane, it's labelled as insane behavior.
The Rosenhan experiment! "On Being Sane in Insane Places" !!!
If you read Jon Ronson’s book, The Psychopath Test, he references that study. This talk is just a flavour of what is an equally excellent read.
@@smartugs1 okay, that's going my reading list. Thanks for the tip.
Rosenhan Experiment?
@@smartugs1Rosenhan Experiment?
"The only difference between a madman and me is that the madman thinks he is sane. I know I am mad."
Salvador Dali
- The Grandaddy of live action anime.
Crazy people don't think there crazy, I think I'm crazy, therefore I'm not. Crazy ey?
-M. Smith.
"The only difference between a poor man and me is that I print my own money."
Salvador Dali.
We need easier explanation but beautifully stated
Wannabe phycopaths be like:
"It's a lot harder to convince people you're sane than to convince people you're crazy." I fell that on a spiritual level.
i didnt
i didnt
@@lunavyz901 ...ok...
Spirituality is for crazy people.
I actually repeated it, whispered out loud. Felt that too.
"a world that doesn't like grey areas" is a perfect description of Twitter.
Everything, really.
Racism isnt a grey area
@@firstname7480 how does racism have anything to do with this now?
Honestly just the whole Internet. People view others as 'you're human, I agree with you, you can't be wrong' or 'you're a monster, I hate you, everything you do is wrong.' People need to see others as human.
This reminds me of a study conducted in 1960s by Rosenhan, where 8 completely sane people go into these hospitals claiming they heard voices but then act completely normal. it tuned out that nurses recorded their very normal behavior like pacing out of boredom as schizophrenic traits
I'm sorry, either I missed it, or that didn't explain how they claimed they heard voices.
@@Kisamon I think it's just worded a little confusingly. The subjects claimed they heard voices in order to get into the hospitals. Once inside, they acted normally, but the nurses recorded their normal behavior as schizophrenic behavior.
I think they also took notes about their experiences and the staff wrote they “exhibited note taking behavior”, whereas the patients said “you’re faking aren’t you?”
@@KisamonYou could also have a look at the study yourself.
someone once said "it is easier to fool people than to convince them they're fooled"
You just quoted Mark Twain.
Ask trump or markle‼️
Perfect to describe the world lately.
Brandolini's law
Anime People Mark Twain said "it is easier to fool people than to convince people they've been fooled".
"The grey area is were you find the complexity, the truth, the humanity." Beautiful quote.
I like Leonard Cohen's line "there is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in". For me it means that truth can be found between the theories, the logic, the systems, in the unquantifiable bits of life that are ignored.
Where**
I'm sorry, but I haven't understood why the grey area is where we can find *humanity* yet. Can someone explain it for me 🤔
@@vchankobuonloi7013 here take my example, bad and good human behavior is depend on the situation, the rough situation : killing people is bad, why would you kill people without reason? Is it good if you had a reason? You know what? Idk you why I bother to answer your question? Are you even real? F you.
Alright why I'm mad at you?
I'm sorry.
Your welcome.
@@skuyliving8889 5head explainations
I find the part about bomb-sniffing bees interesting, because I've been to bad MDs and bad therapists many times, and every time I feel like I don't trust them and read my journal afterwards, it's obvious why I didn't trust them, simply because they misinterpreted several things I said.
For example, when one MD asked me about my daily life as unemployed I said that I play video games, go for walks, and other things like that. What they wrote was "Plays video games all day and never goes out". And once I told a therapist that my depression got worse a specific year, and I had previously mentioned that I moved in with my partner that same year, in my journal it said "Partner makes them depressed", which wasn't true at all, especially since my depression got worse in the beginning of said year, and I moved in with my partner in the end of that year, and my partner actually helped me to get help in the first place, because I didn't even know I needed help, my partner saw the signs.
In the past 1.5 years, almost 10 years since I first tried to get help, I've finally found a therapist and a psychiatrist who I trust. I haven't read the journals they write, because I don't feel like I need to, because I doubt that they write things that are simply not true. Sure that they might misinterpret me at times, but they're so understanding in general that I trust that they don't write things that are outright wrong.
Psychiatry unfortunately has the same issue as medical sciences do: people will join for the sake of having control over others. I'm glad you found someone who joined to genuinely help :)
I know exactly what you’re talking about only it was, painfully, a series of custody evaluations for my daughter. Where we live they strive for even parenting unless you can prove or they find something egregious. I found so many of the professionals toeing that line that they actually changed, omitted or just lied on reports in order to make us both equal.
Going for a walk one a month doesn't qualify.
@@TheDendra7 What on Earth are you talking about?
@@TheDendra7 why not? besides they said “daily life” so I’d assume it means they go on walks *daily*
During my life I amassed a huge number of diagnostic labels - anxiety, GAD, depression, OCD, SAD, PTSD, potential bipolar/BPD, complex PTSD.... only, it was none of those things.
It was autism and it took 41-years, decades of therapy, and countless clinical assessments to be correctly identified.
The DSM is only helpful if the clinician is fully aware. And believe me, not all practitioners are made equal.
Misdiagnosis happens all the time.
Makes you wonder how the DSM will continue to evolve in the coming decades!
A book with 374 mental disorders... Find someone that has none of them and watch that number go up to 375.
eiebsrebla no comments?
@@swift3602 Idk man, apparently you didn't have anything to say besides 'No comments?' either. So I guess there's not much to say.
jesus didnt
@@Aliens-Are-Our-Friends2027 Exist?
edward monroe: JESUS CHRIST is, amongst historians, thought to have nearly certainly existed.
I really like that one line "I was desperate to define him by his maddest edges."
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Yeah wow powerful line
Yeah I edged for like 40min once I wonder how long this beast did.
what is edge? in the translate say is a border. can someone explain uwu
@@orianabecerra9217 it means that he wanted to judge him by the most extreme parts of his personality
Absolutely. I went to visit a friend in a mental hospital. When we were sat there, there was random screaming and banging in the corridors which was really scary! I said "I bet you stay in here all the time, I know I would!" and she said she had to start with but she'd been told they thought she was insane because she didn't want to socialise with the other inmates. So she was having to force herself out to be with them. I cried all the way home for her. (She's fine now and back in the community).
I was forced will have too be forced again if needed I'm not spirit again f all psychology unless I'm learning about it or dealing with the practiced elders and medication s.
I think the conclusion is so on point, we live in a world that’s obsessed with categorisation because it makes things easier for us to understand but this is something that doesn’t work well when applied to mental state
Spot on
It doesn't work well in most situations I would even say
"You know what Jon? Everyone's a bit psychopathic."
"You are, I am. Well, obviously I am."
IDK, I actually score very low on every points.
@@Tamizushi Yeah, but that's what a psychopath would say...
@@TheC-O-D-Y-Project Not really. Psychopaths are often quite happy to brag about every single ones of their psychopathic traits.
@@Tamizushi no they don't because they don't wanna be separate from the crowd they want to be a part of it so that they aren't called out, their scared of their imperfections because it shows them they're just like everyone else and bursts their bubble of grandiosity as it brings them down to the level of a normal human
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You are assuming psychopaths act rationally. We aren't talking about a hypothetical pathology right now. What I'm telling you is that actually, in real life, when psychopaths are asked about their psychopathic behaviors, they tend to be quite unapologetic about it. They brag about it. I'm not saying they say "I'm a psychopath", I'm saying if, for example, you ask them if there are ever ashamed of anything, they will say "never", and so on.
Plot twist: He's Tony. Jon actually did go to the bar, and Tony killed him, and assumed his identity.
Unfortunately, Jon's always looked like a geek, no self-respecting psychopath would choose that.
@@Demiglitch But then wouldn't that be the best way to hide your psychopathy?
So basically you stole the number one comment and played with it, are you a psychopath ?
@Daniel Watanajarukij but also cunning lol
Daniel Watanajarukij Remember how smart they can be, they would take that hit to the ego.
there are great points in this
- sometimes, people overanalyze things
- you can eventually turn into the person you “hate”
- let’s just say the media or everyone else will always nitpick on other’s business
-_”You shouldn’t define people based on their maddest edges”_
This is so true it’s sad. I got sent to a mental hospital for a WEEK in that week they put me on 2 new meds I’ve never been on and tried to say I had a bunch of stuff wrong with me. They told me it was unnatural to cry bc I was in the hospital (against my will I should add) on my mother’s birthday and my best friends family’s funeral
Also the more you would ask to leave or try to convince them you weren’t crazy then they would literally tell you to your face the more you ask the longer they make you stay. So by the 4th day I just stopped crying and talking to the staff
Wow - just being forced to go there in the first place must’ve been scary.
The people that work there maybe were once patients.
No they didn’t tell you that, you thought they were telling you that and you may need to listen instead of overlaying other folks attempts to communicate with your own assumptions and ideas. How can you hear when your own voice drowns everyone else out?
@@morganj7734 So sorry you experienced that! That is literally my nightmare. Good wishes to you!
@Adzes Gaslighting & Trolling in one, + bonus points for hypocrisy and lack of self-insight. Congrats, I guess?🏆👺🏆
About the bomb-sniffing bees: he wasn't wrong.
Those bees are like: Screw honey. All my homies hate honey. We out here smoking gunpowder.
Bees have the best smell in the world. Way better than dogs
Why cldnt it be mosquitos
Plot twist: He's Tony. Jon actually did go to the bar, and Tony killed him, and assumed his identity.
diagnosis: believes bees can smell explosives
"He's a grey area in a world that doesn't like grey areas."
Never heard anything truer.
I kid you not i read that at the exact time he said it.
that's crazy me too
I LOVE THAT QUOTE
i can relate...
According to, Wikipedia, i'm a sociopath with antisocial personality disorder, but i think i'm in that grey area
Weak quote... Replace "Grey area" with pretty much any negative word and boom! You're a philosopher.
I wasn’t sure what to expect. I was perfectly entertained. Quite thought provoking.
" Capitalism rewards psychopathic behavior: the lack of empathy, the glibness, cunning, manipulative, remorseless. In fact, capitalism is a physical manifestation of psychopathy. " - Journalist Jon Ronson.
This assessment is not wrong.
It only scratches the surface, but... it's not wrong.
Humans are, however, running short on something which they have no control over (and never did)...
"Time is the only resource for which no creature may bargain."
🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ --Diamond Dragons (book 1)
Capitalism huh? So much so with the other one as well.
Says Ron Johnson who is likely highly paid by corporate sponsors for his work. BS
Nothing wrong with playing the system.
@@jmdoza3938 "the other one"? You believe there's only one option other than capitalism?
UA-cam: "Recommended for you"
me: What are you implying?
Hmm, I think you might have a case of severe paranoia disorder, on account of the belief that a website algorithm has conspired to convince you that you're a psychopath.
@@jadeingels3475 it's a joke.
@@jessarose2288 THAT was a joke
lol u'r ok
@@jadeingels3475 ī890)pparķìnson
"Crazy people don't know they're crazy. But I know I'm crazy therefore I'm not crazy. Isn't that crazy?"
I'm CPL. Klinger
In his book he writes about that. Psychopaths don’t know their psychopaths and anyone who says their crazy is not.
I'm a serial commenter. I respond when you least expect it. Tick me off and i will comment until you can't any more. I can't help it but it feels good.
@@gdolphy hi
you're crazy
This is my favorite TedTalk of all time. Have listened to it so many times I've lost count, and it's had a huge impact on me. I just want to say; Thank you, Jon, for this magical talk.
pretty good. i watched twice.
I recommend his book, The Psycopath Test... very very good
Definitely one of the best speakers!
Idk what it is about this guy but his talk was absolutely captivating. It wasn't just the subject matter, it was the way he delivered it. Also I don't know if those scientologists proved that psychiatry is the baloney that they think it is.
Agreed
Who puts a biography of ted bundy in a prison??
Emily Herbert.. I would call that nutty, but because someone on the prison library staff thought it okay, it was okay. This the real craziness that goes on. Jon Ronson is so right, our society today cannot deal with grey areas.
People should be aware that not all psychopaths in a prison are the ones that are behind bars.
Um psychopaths aren't exactly known for their honesty lol
Good observation, that one had slipped by me, having a Ted Bundy biography in a prison library is insane.
@@daisyloumisakidondu6159 Neither are people in general. Everyone lies, as Dr. House says.
All my dreams end with people screaming, "you're a failure!" Then I go to bed
so then its not a dream
savage but well played
😂
yikes i wish i didnt relate
liked this post, notice it was at 69, unliked
"But the grey area is where you find the complexity. It's where you find the humanity, and it's where you find the truth." That's a beautiful quote, and I've felt that, believed that, my whole life. That quote, that realization, is a gem.
"He's a gray area in a world that doesn't like gray areas." I also like that one because it too is very true.
Your talk was absolutely fascinating. I agree that psychologists and psychiatrists over label people, me included. I was and still do experience clinical depression, but one psychiatrist that would only see me via video chat and had a heavy Indian accent was bent on labeling me as bipolar, which I am obviously not and had been seeing doctors for years and showed absolutely no signs of bipolar disorder. I told her she was crazy and asked for a different doc. She was totally demeaning and refused to transfer me to a different psych doc. I had to find a different clinic and start all over. These docs are megelomaniacs at times and do more harm than good and if a patient is weak willed can be harmed irrevocably by them and the medication they prescribe. I dodged a bullet I believe.
Exactly - people need to be aware that it's not abnormal nor suspicious to try a different Doctor, for any reason. There are pressures/madates to hire certain people that would otherwise never be considered. Some are blatantly incompetent, some are intolerably smug and dismissive, etc. It's a demoralizing experience with bad treatment, but, there's also good Doctors out there who are intelligent and actually care about your outcome.
I'm sorry that happened to you. I've had similar experiences and it's so frustrating.
On a separate note, it would be a kindness to remove the reference to the doctor's accent since many people with accents are made to feel ashamed for them. Unfortunately, I know firsthand that clinicians from every kind of background can exhibit the kind of bias you experienced. : - (
"It could be carnage by the end of the night"
Everyone: *nervous laughter*
The lady that sat up and adjusted her legs didn’t laugh and it def sent off red flags 😂
Upstream53 ........irrelevant?
If I laugh evilly at that part thinking it'd be fun, what does that mean🤔
the doors of perception def normal 😂
one person at the back row: *excited laughter*
Plot twist, the speaker has schizophrenia and Tony is a imagined character.
hahaha
Plot twist again he is tony😂😱
Lol😂
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😂😂😂😂😂
My consultant once sat me down to just talk about the reasoning of medicine - amazing clinician; works as an oncologist but ran the spectrum of knowledge from philosophy to psychology to clinical medicine. As we were talking about diagostic reasoning he laughed (very kindly) about some of my attempts at trying to breakdown symptoms and diseases.
"When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail." He'd say.
He retired this year and I don't get to see him much anymore. But I think that's the point this video tries to make. Clinical medicine is deeply complex and we try our best to box things up because patterns emerge in random events but individual events are inherently random. The DSM and Psychology isn't witchcraft and white coat doctors trying to label everything they can - and it's worth remembering that the reason that DSM grows isn't to try and label everything as abnormal; but to try and tease out the complexity and nuace of what is abnormal and try and sift through the wheat from the chaf. Physicians are fully aware of the pitfalls - that's why the training to become a psychiatrist takes so long. It's not about memorising the DSM - it's about understanding the grey zones where most people lie.
The only sane comment in this section
his behavior would be normal in a regular place, ex. at a coffee shop, but is extremely inappropriate given where he was, a psych ward. imagine how uncomfortable a suit is when you're supposed to wear it - what would drive someone to go through all that effort, at a place where no one else was dressing up?
Suits are not for everyone. I used to hate wearing them. But then i started working in sales and they required me to wear a suit everyday. after 2 weeks it became the most comfortable thing to wear. now i wear them even at home cause i like the weight, the pockets, and how tough they are. they work for winter and summer. I hate how much i like them now cause i really hated that job and quit after a month
That hit pretty close. I Imagine a psychopath never cried themselves to sleep, that simplifies the test a bit.
But they can fake so they have their way
I've cried myself to sleep bc I realise Im all the things on the checklist...
@@danielhayes8348 so you're not a psycopath? Sorry, I can't make myself cry, cool if you can lol
hmmm......I can, but only when I think of sad things which isn't relevant to the discussion, are there other ways of making yourself cry?
@@Human1337 actors do it😐 its quite amazing i wanna learn how to do that
According to the "Check List" my cat is a psychopath. I knew my parrot was, but my cat?!?
Patrick Martin - aren’t all cats psychopaths? I knew mine was before I heard the talk! 😆
@@marylynne9104 I think you may be right. All this time I was thinking my cat was simply aloof, lol
I noticed your psychopathic parrot perched dangerously close to your head... Are you sure that's a good idea?
@@cakeules Not to worry, my parrot heard the story about the rattlesnake that bit me. After a lot of agony and periodic throws of uncontrollable pain the snake finally died.
ALL cats are psychopaths. 😸
A mentally ill ex friend of mine once screamed at me for being happy to find out I was autistic. He was upset with the idea of labels, I was explaining to him that my whole life was hindered by my inability to understand why I was so different from others. I didn’t understand why I functioned differently, thought, and felt differently. When I found out I was autistic it changed my life. I was able to accept myself and fully understand myself and begin to understand others. I functioned better in life, I socialized better, and I finally went to college. He screamed “your a Pisces! That’s all there is!” But my friend was too far gone in his illness to realize that he was upset with himself for being ill. I had to stop talking to him for my own health. My point in telling this small story is that sometimes the labels can help you understand and overcome what your going through, and you don’t have to be bound by them.
Exactly. I have ADHD. No question about it. I found out at 22 and it really put a lot into perspective. I always described myself as lazy, stupid, burnout. Turns out I have a mind that requires constant stimulation. I am doing better now. I am none of those things I thought I was. I am nicer to myself. I am less anxious and resentful and outwardly upset since I figured out what was wrong. I'm doing more to grow as a person now. The ADHD isn't going to define me, but the label helped me.
Thanks for sharing. The labels can be harmful or useful. It's best we all reflect on them.
@@hobosnake1 me too, thank you for writing your experience :)
One of the issues with this is that being a psychopath is not in and of itself something that a person should be institutionalized for.
It doesn’t make someone a killer, it doesn’t mean they’re violent or dangerous. It’s also an inherent trait that cannot be “cured.”
Institutionalizing a person because they’re a psychopath is actually kind of messed up.
Something a psychopath would argue, a rationalization. Did you even bother to look at a list of traits for psychopaths before writing that? A couple of key traits: a lack of empathy, especially for the suffering of others; cruelty, in particular to those weaker, smaller, more vulnerable. These together constitute a constant potential to murder or torture other living things. You wrote it yourself "...an inherent trait that cannot be cured".
@@guitarszen I agree it’s not a good thing- there’s a reason it’s a diagnosis and not just a character trait. About 1% of the U.S. population has psychopathy.
That being said- your list of traits is partially incorrect. What was described in this video is a set of traits associated with Psychopathy, but the DSM defines it as being “callously unemotional.” This can result in a diverse set of other traits and issues, however, things like cruelty or violence are not guaranteed. Psychopathy is considered a risk factor for violence, but it is ONLY a risk factor.
My point is that people should be institutionalized only when their mental illness has gone beyond their ability to manage it in such a way that endangers their life or the lives of those around them. To presume that simply because someone showed traits of psychopathy is as messed up as institutionalizing someone simply because they are bipolar.
Finally someone actually gets it. Bizarre to me that most people seem to be lacking critical thinking skills to be able to understand this. I do not have psychopathy myself, but find it sad that the world is convinced that psychopath = 100% evil. I can’t even imagine how stigmatized those diagnosed feel on a daily basis. I have loads of empathy for that. People fail to understand that it is a disorder (a rare one at that) and not an inherent moral failing. You can’t help the way in which your brain is from birth. It simply is the way it is.
@@picture-you you really have no critical thinking skills. Psychopathy is linked to cruelty, sadism, murder, lack of empathy, etc. Just because someone is born that way doesn't mean everyone has to accept them and be subjected to their disorder. You can't even understand the potential harm a psychopath can do.
“Psychopathic” some might say!
Faking Madness for fun is what a pshycopath would do.
Faking Madness to avoid going to the jail is literally what any sane person would do.
But normal people tend to be bad at faking madness. In my own opinion, one has to be a psychopath to be able to act out different personality traits to different people under different circumstances.
@@babatundeojerinde he says he has read books and such. Any people could fake it with some help
Babatunde Ojerinde don’t be silly, anyone could have a latent talent for acting and pathos, regardless of where they fall on the psychopathy spectrum. Unless you believe every broadway and Hollywood actor is a psychopath?
In my experience, psychopathic kids tend to be diametrically opposed to the ones that call themselves “theatre kids”
most sane people would probably try to stay out of jail
@@shalinisathi6526 haha yeah but no one is 100% sane
It would have been bone-chilling if in the end he was actually Tony.
Yeah that could be a real good movie plot !
And this video was taking place inside of an asylum 😶
dude this comment got me shook
MrSirBossMan psychopaths are just as bone chilling because they are still capable of awful things. It's just like an alignment. If a psychopath is Chaotic Neutral or Chaotic Evil, they do as they please and kill for pleasure
um, he did murder someone when he was 17.
As over-quoted, as he is, the story reminded me of this “The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”-Marcus Aurelius
If you're watching this video and feeling like you're at the end of your rope, please know that you're not alone. It's okay to reach out for help, whether that's through therapy, medication, or just talking to a friend. It can be a long and difficult journey, but there is hope and healing on the other side. Thank you to the creator for sharing their story and shedding light on this important topic.
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Most important to me is this journalist admitting that he took the bits that backed up how he wanted his story to look and left out anything that contradicted it. It takes a good person to admit that.
He admits it, but then proceeds to present an outlier and a very specific case in order to further his pointless point of "Every one's a little bit psychopathic".
It takes a smart man to admit he's wrong, and a good man to actually do something to correct himself.
@@darwinjaevidavin8916
He purposefully provided examples that pushed in both directions so as to not present any conclusion.
Bragging about intentionally being deceptive is the trait if a good person? Really? Or is it more psychopathic?
@@TheBuddyLama
I think you are reading too much into it.
All Journalists look for sensationalism to sell their writing.
You don't hear about all the days a nuclear power plant is doing just fine. You hear about that time one of their pumps malfunctioned.
If you write a book about someone, you won't write about his days were nothing happens.
He is saying that his job is to look for things to write about, which happen to be when things are off or wrong or exceptional.
And that having this incentive if followed to obsessively can be very deceptive for those listening.
Just look at media today, all news channels on the planet suddenly got obsessed with finding sensationalism to the point where they want something horrible to happen so that they can write about it.
A bit like what lawyers do.
Reminds me of a story about a man who was visiting a friend in a psychiatric hospital. He couldn't find the right ward when he spotted a man watering the garden and asked for directions. The man gave him the information and then said "I'm actually a patient here, you can see that I'm quite normal, could you put in a good word for me, because I don't really belong here." The visitor agreed to do so, then turned away to walk off. Suddenly he was hit in the back of the head with a brick, and the man said "Don't forget now!"
Then what?!,I found your story in the cliffhanger...
amazing
we need a part 2😂
Wut
@@Mxrk_Hxshim Does a sane person throw a brick at someone's head to get their attention??
Edit: I wrote just "personality disorder" when I really meant "antisocial personality disorder". Huge error, my bad.
This is why the term "antisocial personality disorder" is used now rather than psychopath or sociopath, because antisocial personality disorders exist on a spectrum, and it makes room for all the different types and degrees of people that would otherwise be labelled psychopaths. Most people with these personality disorders can live normal lives once diagnosed. They just have to monitor their empathy harder, like many other mental illnesses. Also, I came up as ~40% psychopath on a few psychopath quizzes because there's overlap between personality traits associated with autistic people and personality traits associated with "psychopaths".
All personality disorders don't equal someone being a sociopath or a psychopath. I have a personality disorder; BPD. It's got nothing to do with being a sociopath or a psychopath. I also have Complex PTSD, debilitating anxiety and depression.
I only tell you this because what you wrote is simply wrong; It's *only* Antisocial personality disorder _(sometimes, not always, in combination with Narcissistic personality disorder)_ that's linked to sociopaths and psychopaths.
@@tessiepinkman You're absolutely right! I meant antisocial personality disorder, but I only wrote personality disorder. I've editing my comment.
My mothers friends child was diagnosed with autism when he was 6. He didn't respond as a normal child when he was spoken to. Always kept to himself and didn't speak for the most part.
Once, when they came to us, my mother was gentle with that kid. As she always is, she started to pet him, was gentle and cheerful. Called him by his name and spoke to him as if he was a normal child. She noticed that the child reacted to her words and looked at her in a focused manner. I don't really know how she persuaded those parents, but they stoped the treatment. Started to spend more time with that kid. Found a child psychologist that helped them find mutual language with one another.
That child is 13 now. He is fine. Going to a normal school, having friends, normal life.
I have a couple of stories like that in my family where believing doctors ment hurting yourself/relative. The lesson for me from all of these stories is this - doctors are not you friends, not authority figures that you follow unquestionably. They are tools to fix the problem. You decide wether to use them or not.
The dsm gives several symptoms of psychological disorders. The reason why everyone can relate to those symptoms is because, at healthy levels, they're all mostly normal human behaviors. They only become disorders if these symptoms interfere with your ability to live a normal life. (By normal I mean live a functional live)
When a mental disorder crosses the line of being disruptive to your life, it becomes a mental illness. That's why psychopathy isn't classified as a "mental illness" because most sociopaths or psychopaths live fairly normal, productive lives. Since psychopathy is not an official mental disorder, the condition experts diagnose it as ASPD.
yes! in fact you can only classify something as a disorder if it is all of the following: 1)dysfunctional 2)dangerous(to self/others) 3)deviant 4)distressing
Spelling counts
Define Functional
What's a functional life though
"Can I buy you a drink in a bar?"
Only if you promise not to start a fight with me and end up in jail another month.
BlackManiaGaming Hi
BlackManiaGaming "No, I won't have the drink with you bc I suffer from generalized anxiety disorder and dude you're kinda making me feel anxious!" Lol
He TOTALLY should've had the drink with Tony imo. For a thousand really good reasons in favor, which one or two reasons against the idea could never gain validity over. If I was this guy, I'd do everything I can to find Tony and have the meet up. My situation had contributed to me losing touch with tons of people and connections in my life, and it SUCKS to let that happen! EVER.
U from Ireland or Scottland? :D
Boring www.
XD
I read Jon's book years ago and enjoyed it very much. A fascinating subject in which I was interested. Further research into Psychopathy showed a scary world in which these folks walk among us and have absolutely no empathy for other people. I've known them socially as well as in business and they are frightening. Much better to avoid them whenever possible.
"It's a lot harder to convince people you're sane than to convince them you're crazy." *That was my constant mood thorough my teen years.*
"Grandiose sense of self... which would be hard for him to deny because he was standing under a giant oil painting of himself" 😂😂😂
Plus he was a Leo.. so 🤷🏻♂️
@@jackmac2226 hey >:(
@@jackmac2226 Astrology is meaningless
@@Pepechu How long have you studied it?
I dont need to google a random biased experiment. I've studied cosmic correlation theories for 25+ years. You're basing your opinion on someone else's findings. It's an esoteric science that has been around for several thousand years and unfortunately for the less erudite of the subject became muddied through the simplification and popularizaton of sun sign or "star" sign horoscopes in Germany prior to WW1
I was waiting for him to say he was actually Tony
Same but that wouldn't have made sense.
wouldve made him seems insane talking in third person and writing a book about being a psycopath from a different point of view
That's how the M. Night Shyamalan version ends.
SAME LMAO
JayPG that would have been great!
wooow the storytelling, the background music and the animations gave me goosebumps. amazing! i was so immersed in the story.
If somehow, you can crack the faces they've hidden just by a feeling of discomfort or just by a gut feeling that this person is not what they seem, trust it with all your heart and up your guards to maximum. Calm, cool and collective is the key.
The consequences of being manipulated by someone might just be the end of you, either psychologically and physically, it just truly just an horrific and traumatized experience, and it WILL get downward from the moment you knew you hooked.
4 out of the 5 voices in my head liked this video.
Brilliant.
The four walls in my room said I should watch this, the roof told me not to. I don't think I trust my roof anymore.
Stephanie Logan "Selective Mute"
Stephanie Logan There is no "We" in Bacon.
Auspicious Legend Sorry but, I don't watch "TED" as a rule. Can't really comment on past videos. I have a life and UA-cam is for when I can't sleep.
I started therapy properly a year ago after a pretty intense period of self-hatred and self-harm. My psychologist was very clear in letting me know that I showed *traits* of Borderline Personality Disorder. I fit the bill, I could tick off on a lot of the 'symptoms,' I related heavily to others I met with BPD, but she didn't want me to diagnose and *define* myself by that. After a year in therapy, there's been certain traits I don't fit at all anymore, and some I never did, and sometimes a trigger will have me acting exactly like that. But she understands that grey area- and the focus is on managing the triggers, never the disorder being What I Am.
Brilliant! And congratulations Amelia
@@silviasegura3742 Thankyou :)
@Milly May what are you, 12?
THIS. this talk does do a great job of pointing out that looking at a list of symptoms in the DSM (or anywhere for that matter) can lead to feeling like you have one or multiple mental disorders. the degrees to which one feels symptoms, the frequency in which they’re felt, the pain or disruptiveness they cause, when they began, and what prompted them all matter, too. it takes an trained (and ethical) professional to help interpret symptoms, make a diagnosis if one exists for you, and identify the level of care and type of intervention that’s needed.
in thinking about this, the “everyone’s a bit x” statement is both true and untrue. yes, all people can, and likely do, exhibit symptoms of certain disorders. it’s forgotten, though, that these symptoms exist on a spectrum of the human experience. for example - everyone experiences anxiety. it’s a natural reaction which we evolved to help protect us from danger. it only becomes a diagnosable disorder when it begins to interfere with ones life and shows up at times when it shouldn’t.
sorry for being si long winded, but my point is that your therapist handled your case as it should be handled. people don’t fit neatly into boxes and it’s the job of a good professional to understand that and ensure their practice reflects that.
You have a very good psychologist!!
I do feel the most harmful and frequent form of psychopathy is the need to pigeonhole others. They say psychopathy is on a spectrum like most disorders that effect humans but “professionals” often play the flagging game because of one tiny detail of a person that may happen to find its way into conversation and fit the bill. Psychological evaluation for any disorder can verge on being criminalising in this day and age as it is done belligerently and even atrociously.
Psychological evaluation like at a mental hospital? Or a different context?
@@hannahmiller5515
Well I think that it was Alan Watts that pointed out ages ago, people are being encouraged to psychoanalyse themselves and each other. I think the emphasis on mental health disorders in society has become unhealthy and considering Carl Jung’s theory on psychological viruses it could even be suggesting and driving mental health problems. Mental health problems definitely meant a lack of credibility just decades ago and it still lingers as a nuance because we’re humans and it takes generations for an attitude to actually dissipate.
Well, since 7th grade everyone has been jokingly calling me psycho, nickname stuck with me for nearly 20 years. Until life brought me at the wrong place the wrong time. Long story short, i had to get psychiatric evaluations which went horribly wrong. Even started doubting myself. It is indeed a lot harder to convince people you are sane
“15 of you are psycho-paths” *small woo’s in background* I think I found them.
That's not something a psychopath would do.
I know, most psychopaths don’t know if the are psycho’s.
@@stefanfyhn4668 thats something a psychopath would say
@@meinctutw8261 I'm a Cynic, that's different 😝
@@stefanfyhn4668 thats not something a cynic would say
Idk why but I was thinking "This could be a great movie."
gmmg ABSOUTELY OMG
mindhunter on netflix is pretty much on the same lines as this, and it's really good.
Same thought ...Option this now! Who do we cast as Tony?
its pretty freaking good book
They did make a movie about this - called "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest."
Nellie Bly, a woman newspaper reporter (very rare) for the Pittsburgh Dispatch went into the city's insane asylum to report on conditions. They had a VERY hard time getting her out! She invented investigative journalism.
Oh, just discovered this has been made into a movie: Escaping the Madhouse.
This was so great! I enjoyed every second. This guy is a phenomenal story teller. 👏👏👏👏👏
I was looking for the strange answers to the psychopath test.
Me too. Very disappointed, not what I came for, 1/10.
kilroy987 me too
I expected it, but wasn't disappointed!
" Everyone's a bit psychopathic "
especially Sherlock and Hannibal fans
This is honestly my worst nightmare, not being able to prove I'm sane.
Hey! It's Dr. John Smith! Please stop acting like you were not in our asylum. All you do all day is sitting by the wall and typing on an imaginary keyboard and looking at an imaginary screen. You even imagine that you have a doctor called Dr. John Smith.
@@SylvesterLazarus Dr John Smith is my beau. Stop being such an impersonator 🙄. Blocked, reported and moving on.
@@natashagalt6631 Come on Pineapple! If you would be insane, the voices you hear in your head would most certainly tell you!
@@Jiyukan #WhenPeopleSayYouHearVoices #ItsJustMyFriends lol
That's the issue: No one should be allowed to require you to prove that without you having done something criminal that relates to mental state.
My therapist always said, that she had ideas of how to label my illness, but she did not see the merrit in talking about the indication - she wanted to talk about the situation. So I know that I most likely had severe depression, but in therapy we did not talk as a depressed patient to a therapist. We talked as two humans who trust each other to open up. To tackle things together one at a time. To take off the pressure and go into ways to express yourself and cope with the world as it is. We should never forget that indications are only important for the society and for explanations, to give impulses of treatment and give the patient something to hold onto. But you should never be treated as your indication, you should be treated as a human with a wide range of emotions and different impulses on different days. As a depressed person I had days which were perfectly normals, even weeks in which I had no symptoms whatsoever. And never forget that being transgender was labeled as a mental disorder until very recently. Always question the diagnose, always look behind the checklist. A psychopath - even if you have no sympathy for him - should be allowed to live like everyone else, if he doesn't hurt the people surrounding him and shows no signs of unusual violence. That doesnt mean we have to share his morals and views, but we cannot keep everyone who doesnt fit our narrative out of the story.
This is hands-down my favorite Ted Talk. I've watched this at least six times.
I gotta admit that this dude got mad presentation skills, with the background music, effects and all that.
The background music was much too distracting, and his voice delivery was a bit awkward...he failed on that last revelation - awful delivery.
@@ceIIardoor totally agree some interesting things were said but fell flat because of his lack of presentation skills, but gotta give the man credit he isn't a natural and stood infront of 1500 I think he said, pretty nerve racking for people who are not confident in that sort of thing.
Cellar Door i agree that last bit could’ve been delivered much better, but i didn’t find the background music distracting at all. it added to the tone of the whole presentation imo
Hrz meditation
Abby I use this video for my business school classes, to demonstrate the very subtle distinctions between high-quality, multimodal delivery and over-the-top, pretentious mooching. “This is the kind of embarrassing presenter you would be,” I tell them, “if your instructor gave you a list of tips and general advice but no
Him, “Wait you’re a psychopath.”
Tony- “Always have been”
Likes were at 555
@@heyahowareyou5971 Hahaha
I was the 1000th like on this comment 😂 wow, paying attention to such detail makes me think if I'm showing any of the traits. Just kidding 😂
One of the best talks I've seen, can't believe it's a 10 year old video and I've not seen it until now.
Wow. That was one of the greatest TED talks I've ever seen.
14 years in a nut house would damage anyone, sane or not.
That's a long time to nut
Don't ever move to Finland.
@@AbominableHuman It was more of an ironic statement ..so, i wasn't really thinking you were planning on it. Just saying that Finland feels like a nuthouse most of the time these days..then again, most of the world seems like one, also.
I would kill myself seriously.
@@AbominableHuman D'aw, you just had to ruin it by being a fucking idiot.
Only a psychopath would have the background music that high while giving such a presentation.
He's deranged.
It was intentional for an entertainment presentation. Context ma dude
@@thatsweetlilthing2 I find nothing entertaining in the suffering of others. [Insert rape joke] 😀
@@thatsweetlilthing2 I guess he got the "E" part of TED right, then.
It seems to create a lovely grandios effect.
This is one of the best TED talks ever!
During my psych rotation at a state institution, one of the docs explained that it was much harder getting out than getting in. No doc wanted to sign off on someone they believed was sane. Regardless of sanity, there was always the chance the ex resident subsequently performed a criminal act, and they (the doc) feared that they could be sued and held liable.
If anyone's wondering why there's so many gray zones between mental disorders and mental health/sanity:
Mental disorders are defined as overly-strong reactions to situations. A 'normal' person would react to an awkward situation with discomfort, while someone with anxiety or panic disorder might fall into a panic attack. Both react strongly to the same situation but one of them acts in a very unhealthy way.
You declare behaviour a mental disorder when it becomes a nuisance or risk to the person in question or the people around them, to the point where their day-to-day life is disrupted or they're putting themselves or others in danger.
That's also why he could identify with so many things in the book in the beginning! And that's why everyone's a little psychopathic. Everyone gets in the same situations, but some people react so strongly that it actively influences and hinders their life.
(I missed that in the presentation so I'm just gonna throw this out there)
Yuno As someone who has been a psychiatric patient for years, I can tell you that the reason there are so many grey areas in psychiatry is that many diagnoses share similar symptoms, and most mentally healthy people find parts of themselves in mental health diagnoses. For example, I have not been diagnosed as I a psychopath, but I do feel grandiose at times when I'm manic. Also, mental health professionals don't make diagnoses solely based on a patient's behavior; they make them based on ALL of a patient's symptoms.
Yuno because there is not yet a single way to peek in to the human soul and their mind. if someday we have, it will be the end of our humanity. that is the truth of the saying "every (wo)men is an island"
Yuno wrong
Yuno That is grossly incorrect. A mental illness is a chemical imbalance in various parts of the brain that manifest themselves through abnormal behavioral patterns, thought patterns, and moods. Oh, and you react not to a situation, but to your thoughts about it.
Yuno And, I don't think you understand exactly what psychopathy is. Psychopathy is Antisocial Personality Disorder, antisocial meaning "against society." They don't form emotional bonds, they are very manipulative, they thrive on control, and they will do everything they can to get/maintain it. They are the people who would throw a fat guy in front of a train to stop it.
"He is a gray area in a World that doesn't like gray areas" --> so true. Everything must be either black or white...
And ironically, that's typical of people with bipolar disorder or borderline personality disorder -- thinking in terms of black and white :/
@@Cliew5473 I have BPD with high functioning bi-polar. Unsure about anyone else, but I could see the black and white thing true for many of us, but now I dont mind that I'm supposedly in this gray area. To me that is like being centred; black and white, right and wrong, good and evil: we all experience these things, but woudl never know one from the other if we didnt see both sides.
how about asians?
@Uğur Kaan Komanlı everything is about race now
@@dannykeuerleber7419 Yeah I can do a 100m pretty fast
Not a psychologist, but a lawyer who works with the public across all of it, it’s understandable that humans try to frame things in patterns that are convenient or feel safe. The reality is that everyone is a unique individual. Applying names and characterizations may help us discuss the patterns, but it doesn’t help individuals much. Best to take each person as a unique individual, including in therapy and in law.
I have a common disorder. It’s called mysphonia and it is a sensitity to sounds and means that the background noise in this talk tends to drown out the substance of the talk.
Thank science for Subtitles
It appears a lot of people missed the point of this. This story was neither pro-psychiatry or anti-psychiatry. He masterfully threw in cultural tidbits that created our own bias'. I see Psychologists here blasting this...just a heads up, your own bias kept you from realizing in the end, he did not trust Tony (declined invite for a drink) and it appeared he began to wonder if he, himself, was conned by Tony.
The reality is that this is the art of masterful storytelling utilizing our conscious, subconscious, and senses to all react completely different.
I think he realized that he only went psychotic at bars you silly goose lol and knew that he could be a cool dude, just not at bars, apparently.
Nailed it.
Psychology is a psudo science, why the scientific community don't take them seriously.. They cannot even differentiate mental disorders with any form of accuracy so they decided to shove most of them into Anti-social personality disorder to save themselves work.
@Spooky Moo well reading that was helpful to me at least, your commented didn't do much at all
I took away that Tony is a bad drunk. Not a guy you want to drink with.
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
True
*I'm holding my hammer but where's the nail?*
@@valdbagina2273 look at your hands
@@valdbagina2273 just that its not a good idea to hit those nails
I actually feel that on like a cosmic level
One of the best TED talks I have watched. Beautiful delivery. He made some excellent points about humanity. The bit at the end about the grey area is where we find the truth was so important. Thanks
It was a great one!
I’ve re watched/ listened to this 10+ times just for how well this guy tells the story.
Good stuff.
darn.. I hoped so badly that he would say that he was actually Tony.. that would be an awesome plottwist..
He's John...
or is he?
+Khaleel Rahman
No. He is Jon
scwfan08 Damn
+scwfan08 OR IS HE
I was thinking that too!
“And I didn’t go” somehow that hurts so much
Milliene Xu why didn't he go?
Even Tony just semi psychopaths, but he was sent to prison and then to hospital for beaten an in a bar, who want to risk his own life to meet tony in a bar?
The suggestion, I think, is that he might be a "semi-psychopath" himself.
Milliene Xu well you know those Brave journalists
my guess is that he no longer had a purpose to see Tony anymore so keeping contact with him would do more harm than good. typical exploit and discard strat.
I just have a really basic and stupid question. What if the lis is wrong? What if the criteria that are created that are the foundation of the check list is incomplete and/or simply wrong, meaning that the starting points of the check list (or any other disorder) misdiagnoses people which have nuanced issues?
that’s a really insightful question actually, not basic and stupid at all. i think thats actually a large part of what psychiatry is. they’re trying to figure out what a list of determining factors for a mental illness should be or if there should even be a list to begin with (aka if it’s actually a thing or better categorized as something else). psychiatry, and these criteria, are a work in progress. and as you mentioned a lot of people have nuanced problems that could be misdiagnosed for one reason or another, likely happens more often than id imagine many people think. because psychiatry and our lists arent perfect. we have an understanding of psychiatry now that we *think* is accurate, but that understanding is constantly changing and evolving.
Not really.. basically you take any bell curve and use that as a system to grade .
so.. the people in the middle are the most representative of the group ,anything outside of that area is "sub-normal" that is how it works.
Which seems like great system... until you realize that the largest population group believe in god as an actual entity.
so you could argue, that if you don't see things and you don't believe in some supernatural entity , than you are abnormal..
@@godno619 Thank you for the answer :)
Whoa! Awesome!
Its my first time seeing a Ted talk w/ mixed audio-visuals.
Amazing!
This, honestly would make a great film ..., the screenplay would have to be very well written but if it Is, it could be one of the best psychological thrillers
It's fun that while he was telling the story it felt like i was watching movie in my head! Really great speaker, that background music made it that much better
fun fact: Jon Ronson is actually a screenwriter too. he wrote Frank (2014) and Okja!
You sound like you would love Mindhunter on Netflix.
Manafactariq seriously. They could make you question the whether or not he’s psychopathic. You even like him by the time his tribunal comes around. And then they drop the hammer that he is a full on psycho.
Manafactariq y
Sometimes I read the lists and I'm like "...I'm a psychopath!" But then I realize I cried 3 times watching Disney's Moana, I feel bad in my debate class when I beat someone to badly, I have trouble watching sports like baseball because I worry about them if they strike out, and sometimes I have to set down books if I feel too embarrassed for the characters.
Sarf I think you're worried about being a sociopath, or someone incapable of feeling empathy, but I guarantee you're just a kind little hufflepuff!
Hufflepuffs for life
Dillon Orr
omg that's cute af
Sounds like something a psychopath would say
This man is funny! It’s very difficult to joke about such a intense topic.
As someone studying Abnormal Psychology and needs to find a public speech to critique for a separate, required course, this presentation is perfect!
Wtf do they have the biography of Ted Bundy in a prison????
He read it before and got the idea from it
That's exactly what I thought. lol
thats what the psychopath (tony) have said, he was lying.
I like the attention
Because he's famous XD
I was half expecting him to reveal that Tony had multiple personalities and one of them was Jon.
That would have been completly crazy,my god i can literally picture that scene in front of my eyes
Could be a book or a movie
I was waiting for the climax ending that Tony had committed murder or something else as bad and was proven psycopathic after all. Bit of a let down. Maybe the story behind the story is the real story.
Damn! That would have been epic, Katz. Better then The Usual Suspect movie.
As interesting as that would've been, multiple personalities don't really exist. They just pop up a lot in fiction because it makes for a compelling story.
Wow. That made me think in new ways. You were a very clear, very knowledgeable, very charming and very sincere speaker. If fact, I don't think I've ever heard a better speaker. It reminded me of when I worked in an in-patient mental health facility. I mentioned casually one day to a co-worker that I felt that the patients were mirrors of ourselves, just with the traits magnified. This person just became unglued. Actually very angry that I would imply that he was in any way similar to a crazy person. I thought your lecture was fascinating and reminded me of the truth that everything is on a continuum, even madness. Thanks for making my day more interesting.