What Matchmaking Will Look Like in CS2
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2023
- We have leaks and speculation on the new Matchmaking system for Valve's upcoming Counter-Strike 2 release, and it's crazy! Cobblestone is coming back with a snow theme, we're switching to MR12 (12 round halves), and it's looking like Premier Mode will have seasons with rating recalibrations.
The screenshots of datamined strings in this video are from these fine folk's twitter accounts:
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/ gabefollower - Ігри
your first matchmaking game will be faced against a cheater to test to see if you’ll be able to beat them
almost correct : you will be faced against cheater because that's what CS will be full of (another day another dollar)
@@kamilianos sounds like a major skill issue.
@arrex7 I was about to say the same, but you beat me to it :(
@@Zummeliit's okay, it's better to be creative anyways than just regurgitate the same thing over and over again
And if you win, you're stuck on the cheater queue forever.
I think it would be a more elegant decision to allow bots if the players disconnect themselves, but not allow them when you votekick an ally. It's just more fair
Bots better be good
@@Johnpdfnot about the bots being good. You get to control the bots
Don’t forget the original reason for votekick is for griefers. Not being able to kick a bad teammate for tactical reasons would be bad for player experience.
@@zgrb if it's an actual griefer, then IMHO it's better to have no teammate at all. Rather play 4v5 than have a guy give away kills/money/weapons as well as positions that you thought were covered.
The same goes for toxic players - I'd prefer to play 4v5 but with high morale than 5v5 but with a guy that flames everyone for everything. Honestly, sometimes we can be in a winning position but I don't even want to win, because I don't want one particularly bad teammate to get a W
from a tactical standpoint, not every player has a positive impact on the game
"RETURN CARRAGE RETURN CARRAGE" sent me. Also the Stargate reference was really good, I doubt many know of that show today
4:55 Minor history lesson:
is not a return carriage. That would be
.
means newline/line feed. On Windows, these are usually (at least on older versions of Windows) combined into
because this is what a physical printer would have to do to return to the beginning of the next line (down and left; 2 actions), and something related to Windows printer drivers. On macOS and Linux etc.,
alone is the default.
FUCKIN NEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD
yeah but saying return carriage is funnier
... not really. Would have been the same joke with "NEW LINE, NEW LINE"@@Rynosaur94
CRLF still on Windows to this day. But at least now they use unicode, yay! Except it's UTF16... not so yay
@@cheaterman49To be fair, it's really up to the applications. It's not like Windows itself really does much with text files (unless you count Notepad). Linux has it's fair share of dumb historical things, like expecting a blank line at the end of every file. (Not trying to sound like a Windows fanboi, Linux is amazing, it's just not some magical utopia.)
The Stargate reference really won my heart
I am actually really excited to see what theyre gonna do with this cs2 new beta season, and I am really hoping they do an open beta. Been eager to play it for so long
Dreaming is free
Games pegged to release soon, why bother with an open "Beta"
@@nickhargreaves1935 "Soon"
Poor guy doesn't understand Valve time.
Love the stargate reference.
Profile picture checks out
Come for the juicy info on CS2, stay for the obscure Stargate reference.
I remember mr 12 as well. In those times 6vs6, 4vs4 or whatever number of players both teams had available on dust1 was normal as well. Skill group was determined by the arrogance of the player searching for a match on an IRC channel.
Oh god mIRC was so crazy back in the day
back in the WON days...
back in the days when u change team if the enemy was not to good
@@tylerdog3it was the prototype for Twitter lol. #FindScrim
I actually remember getting my online first dopamine hits from getting into pro cs team IRC servers and interacting with pro players lol.
5on5 on high+
that stargate referrence was insane
Love the Stargate reference
Despite all the hate, I still always loved playing Cbbl, had some great memories on it lol. Hope it is even more fun in CS2
Cobble was the best map. But they made so many bad changes on the map pretty much ruining it. Im curious to see what the new cobble will look like i hope it has some changes reverted
Cobblestone's uniqueness made it stand out and such a great map. WarOwl was pissed because it was too different lol
@@ndricimhalili9793that is so bs, he killed because they ruined cbbl any person that liked the actual cobblestone will tell you that
no one hated cbble in their right minds. ppl hated valve's changes for cobble. i am reminding you all cobblestone is a 1.6 map, not new csgo map. many pros also liked cbble.
No one hated old cobble. Valve fucked it for no reason.
These are interesting times to be a CS player. Can't wait for a full release
did you mean to spell it that way?
@@Greyimm I often write quickly and post without proofreading
The player penetration bug was already fixed!
Never thought I would see a Stargate reference in a Warowl video 😄
Not a fan of 12 round halves, 15 is the ideal number of rounds imo.
Do agree with the fact that more BO3s would be ideal, and also that all the knockouts at majors should be BO5, not just the final
All of these changes are awesome but please please please DO NOT stop people from playing in 4 stacks… there are so many better solutions (many of which are being commented) and it affects everyone who just wants to play with a 4 stack that either can’t find a fifth or doesn’t want to exclude a person.
10:30 "maybe im seeing what I want to see" its confirmed, WarOwl is slowly realizing he may have gone insane after years of playing CS
we all have
WALTUH
Or maybe he’s a covert valve employee making decisions in the background who knows
Was part of the video cropped out? 10:30 doesn't exist
8:44 I agree with you on the horrible new player experience, however keep in mind that the "skill group freeze" without Prime is already a thing. You do not get a rank when playing competitive without Prime.
Also, the "no 4-man on this mode" probably refers to Competitive, like in Valorant where you can 4-man on unrated but not on ranked.
I sure hope the no 4-man competitive doesn't happen... Sure for super sweaty people I get there's a bot exploit, but for the rest of us, it's too punishing. It already sucks trying to get everyone online to play without responsibilities and timezones getting in the way. But if they say "you need EXACTLY 3 or 5, if you have 4 man someone has to sit it out" that'll cause so many unfortunate situations in my group.
all of that is nice but it still feels shitty to play vs 5 premades in comp, especially when you run into 5 premade danes in global, like you just know that the game is gonna be over very quickly
but then on the otber side having a team leaderboard would be great bc teams that would play at higher levels could be used for scouting new prodigies
@@frosticeforge5715 Yeah it can suck, but I've played a couple thousand hours of CS:GO, then moved to Valorant and ended up liking that rule. It sucks being the 4-man group but it sucks a lot more for the 5th who's getting no comms the entire game since their team is just comming on Discord. In my case, when we're 4 people and can't find a fifth, we just play unrated.
You can play full stack in valorant, but not at high rank. At high rank you can play only duo as far as I remember
@@SkilllfulL that was before, now you can 5 stack and you will always be queued with another 5 stack of similar level, same for duos-3 stacks.
wish there was a 5 stack rank restriction because there is one for duos-3 stacks but not for 5 stack for some reason, instead it reduces the rr you get
A stargate reference is always welcomed
Man I love your videos. Your voice and the casual explanation makes me so eager to look forward to your content. Just love it ❤
Those were newline characters, not carriage returns. With CR's the text would be displayed as
"Please enter your preferred leaderboard persona name here for review.egister a semi-permanent persona name that will be shown on the leaderboards."
Did not expect the stargate reference
I love the Stargate reference, throwback to my childhood with that one
I'm kind of enjoying the firm hand Valve is applying in some areas (only 5 man stacks for premier, no less), but do agree they should add in a bit more player choice with things like "Do you want to play overtime?"
Stargate reference I'm so glad I follow a well round person like you ❤
Does anyone remeber when you could vote to rematch in CSGO.
I do, I miss that. you used to find good teammates and good opponents and you could play with them in the same server same map, again, instantly.
I hate how disbanding lobbies is standard across all multiplayer shooters now. It kills any sense of community.
Expectations: no 4 player lobbies in Competitive
Reality: largest teams in Danger Zone are 3 player, therefore 4 players lobbies are not allowed in this mode
Really appreciate the Stargate reference
the release date time is beating my ass rn
here before this comment blows up
me too
@@gaemerbobis1236
ong they said summer lol
@@doncheadle898valve_timing.mp4 moment lol
4:56 Actually no it doesn't mean "return carriage". It is the escape sequence used to put a string of text to a new line in programming. I'm a software engineer with a degree in Comp Sci so I'm not making it up lol
dude every day i jump on the couch and check for new warowl videos. im so excited about cs2 and i really enjoy these videos so much. i havent played cs since 2016 and im going to upgrade to fiberoptic internet just to play cs2.
was not expecting a stargate reference in a cs video lmao
2 main CS2 changes I’m vehemently against: 12 round halves, and the match gun loadout selection.
the 2 different skill systems might also be something akin to the behaviour score in dota 2. where you have one rating tracking your skill and a second dictating your behaviour. (sorta like trust factor, but more transparent)
id expect to find a lot of non-gameplay related features to be porter over from dota, for example there you already have:
-"top list" where each regions top 5000 players have their rank displayed under their medal.
-not being able to queue ranked matches as 4 player party (so in this mode probably refers to rank changing games aka non scrimmage)
feom what i have seen on yt and twitter, its most likely that cs rating will just be the equivalent of hltv rating but actually integrated into the game, i beliece valorant has something similar to that where they calculate everyones performance during a game depending on kills, dps and what not, so having those can show how good you are individually, and also after players were to reach the highext ranks, they could be compared by their hs%, rating and wr instead of simpmy just their rank.
Thank you for this great summary! Can't wait for CS2 to come out!
Man I cant wait to get my hands on CS2. It looks so good and I hope matchmaking turns out to be what is predicted in this video, because that would be amazing
7:26 so happy to see you are a star gate fan 🙏🙏🙏
really exciting things coming, can't wait!!!!
When I woke up today I wasn't expecting warowl to make a stargate reference you've made my whole 10 hours shif great thanks
lmao the stargate reference catched me offguard
Highly doubt MR12 will last, ESEA did a limited test a few years ago and it was unanimously rejected by the majority of players and pros. Really glad to hear that Cobblestone and Train are coming back tho, next to Inferno those have always been my favorite maps.
If valve forces it, it's their way or the highway I'm afraid.
i think the difference there is valve can make changes to the economy to make it fit MR12 better, which esea cannot. so cs2 mr12 might actually work better than esea mr12
change for the sake of changes, true.
"I think we're gonna find out...Very soon."
Okay warowl we get it we know you know when it comes out but NDA says no.
I like how your case hardened AK glimmers at the tip in the sunlight of ancient. NOICE
Lost it at the Stargate reference. Thank you.
I appreciate the SG reference, thanks Mr. Owl.
here from OhnePixel stream! Great video brother.
a stargate reference by my favorite cs youtuber :o love it
none of the MM changes matter if they don't improve the anti-cheat. There's going to be a lot of new players when the game releases and if we keep the anti-cheat the same as it currently is, most of the new players will end up facing a bunch of cheaters and then uninstalling the game.
i agree, i really hope that vac live improves on detecting cheaters
Same with 64 tick. If they keep 64 tick the serious players will just stay on faceit
@@Kreegewasn’t the tick rate update like the first thing they talked about with the announcement of this game
@@KreegeSub-tick updates don't change it much in terms of comparing to 128-tick and 64-tick. A sub-tick update mid-tick in 64-tick is mathematically equivalent to a single tick in 128-tick. 128-tick in CS2 would be overkill.
@@Kreege do you guys live under a rock? 64 tick is gone and the anti cheat is improved.
You are the best UA-camr I've ever come across, glad I was told about you years ago
I think mr12 is just dangerous for the economy especially for ct’s as he said and doesn’t allow enough time for the crazy comebacks we love from mr15 cs
I believe tweaking the loss bonus so that instead of maxing out at 5 rounds loss, but just 3 for example would be an easy fix, meaning a save would only be 1 round and then you would have full kit including nades which is a big deal for the higher levels, just a suggestion, it would simplify the economy and potentially because you have a higher bonus the next round maybe risk buying something in that save round and sacrifice some of the gear in the next one.
the thing to note most regarding mr12 is that when this was set in 1.6 and before, roundtime was set to 3mins
Keen for the road to whatever the highest rank is called in Premier video series.
If actual Cobble with a full T-spawn, functional A site, and 1-way drop down comes back, it'd bring a tear to my eye.
Although I will say there's a reason it died, we really need to clean up some angles around drop and make the map slightly more balanced in general
I have lost count of the years I pray for seasons. can't wait!
I love short matches, and I really hope they don't take them away.
I like the new CS look and that + Warowl = fun to watch
I hope someone from valve is watching these videos. The ideas you bring start some good conversations on which direction the game should take without starting arguments.
I love how you said “RIP in peace” at 4:35 , which is the abbreviation of “RIP in peace in peace”, which is the abbreviation of “RIP in peace in peace in peace”, which is the abbreviation of “RIP in peace in peace in peace in peace”, which is the abbreviation of “RIP in peace in peace in peace in peace in peace”, which is the abbreviation of “RIP in peace in peace in peace in peace in peace in peace”, which is the abbreviation of “RIP in peace in peace in peace in peace in peace in peace in peace”, which is the abbreviation of “RIP in peace in peace in peace in peace in peace in peace in peace”, which is the abbreviation of “RIP in peace in peace in peace in peace in peace in peace in peace in peace”, which is the abbreviation of “Rest in peace in peace in peace in peace in peace in peace in peace in peace in peace”, which is a very little known fact! ❤
Great video! One problem: at 4:55, that's not a return carriage (
), that's a line feed (
)!
his bad that he isnt a computer science nerd
A note about the “4 player restriction” at 9:00. This is a bit of a long shot, but I think it could actually be denoting a Solo Queue Mode separate from the current Team Matchmaking system. LoL also has 4 party restriction on its team ranked mode due to flame on the final player, but notably, it’s only able to put this restriction in place because a Solo Queue exists in that game. CS2 might be taking a note and separating ranked queues into Solo/Team, which allows for the removal of 4 stacks in the team queue.
nothing better than a warowl vid to understand game mechanic
Dota 2 uses the same player-name forcing system mentioned at 4:55. It's used to ensure that your name in tournament lobbies is always consistent, regardless of your Steam name, and it doesn't have any affect in matchmaking.
Your vids rock dude, you just spit facts and nothing else
those graphics look so clean
Very good video Brent. 👍
seeing the map walkthrough in the background reminds me of those videos where they put Subway Surfers in the background to stimulate the viewer. I gotta admit,
I’m stimulated.
is "Line Feed"
is "Return Carriage"
That stargate reference love it
All we want is to not literally win 50 games in a row, not rank up, then lose 1 and derank. How hard can that be
Damn that Howl is looking better than Ever!
The 4-man not being able to queue isn't to prevent kicks,
if you want to kick 5th, just invite some random then kick him in game.
Not sure why people think it would solve that.
What this message really does, is hint at solo players, and 2,3,5 player stacks, having separate queues.
I hope that is true
"I'm already in the habit of using my teammates' heads as a makeshift suppressor" wow xD
Subtly hyping the glock fade, I love you Warowl lol
I appreciate the Stargate reference
Disabling 4stacks for matchmaking is interesting. League also has this feature (you can't 4stack in ranked), and that game doesn't even have vote kicks or bots you can take over if you die, so there must be even more reason to have it that way.
as always well said.
The first thing I thought with the 4p thing is replacing Wingman with a 3v3
cant wait for cs2 to release
I remember switching to MR15 in Source around 2005
Can’t wait til next year to play
MR24 was Standard in CALeague/CPL, and in CPL it didn't change until about 2005. I think MR30 was played more in Europe at the time, and CPL and CSGO adopted the European max rounds.
I love your content man. Don’t even need to watch the video!
I’m going to tho
Love your videos ❤❤
I don't want a bunch of ex-Valorant players in my game, I want halftime voice chat back so I can hear the praise of my skill for buying an auto last round.
Cobble having snow probably indicates that it's only gonna be out during winter...
nah no way they dont brick cobble, the game is gonna be bigger than ever, most likely surpassing 2 mil players and most of those players would be people coming back to the game, it wouldnt make any sense to not add maps like cache, cobble, train and all the og maps back into the comp pool, bc frankly almost all of the newer maps are horrible. the only decent new map is anubis, and even that map is very gimmicky.
I wonder if cobblestone coming back means it might be in competitive map pool and possible return of cobblestone packages😊🙌
Those timeouts will be used exclusively for pee breaks
I would say keep the 4man since I play anywhere from 1-5 all the time but tbh if they allow you to spam random people to join like in CSGO, its not that bad. I've never had issues with getting a random 5man
love the stargate reference
finally, cs is returning to tradition
If they bring back Cobblestone it better not be the layout from the holloween version. The old version is so much better than maps like vertigo and ancient.
i feel like a large majority of the playerbase completely agrees with you, i have no clue why they butchered cobble like that, it was one kf tbe best and most iconic maps
To be honest, I hope it has a unique competitive mode
if you have a normal competitive mode and a premiere mode for those who are better, that separates the player base, in valorant everyone plays the same queue always
it will probably be the same queue, now whether everything will become premiere or after reaching a certain point you switch over to premiere idk, but it would be the most sensible option because i feel like casuals cant be bothered to play all the maps if they for example only like 2 and itbwould make sense to make higher elo have a pick or ban phase, since that is how all the 3rd party sites work, so having tbe same exact experience as pros have might have a good impact on the game
"do you remember cobblestone bart? it's back!...in snow form."
is actually a newline, which is a carriage return plus a line feed on Windows
love the stargate reff.
So much for "CS2 this summer".
The Stargate reference YESSSSSSSSS
Gotta respect the stargate reference
And I still did not get access :D
But I'm hyped to play on new and old maps in CS2!
"RIP in peace Antarctica" - Warowl 2023