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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast,
00:00 Crosby and the Pens
33:00 Calgary Stampede & Dev Camp
38:30 Shoutout Jessica Campbell
42:00 McDavid & Draisaitl's new contracts
1:02:30 Utah's arena deal
1:11:00 Shoutout CapFriendly
1:16:00 Apples & Marner
1:17:30 Montreal playoffs?
1:21:30 A shirt Steve hates
1:30:00 Golf
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Just in time to miss the Buffalo Edmonton trade 😅
As is tradition 😆
😭😭😭
Kinda like it for both sides.
MCDAVID? DRAISAITL?..
What about that edmonton free agency video
Crosby's favorite player was Yzerman and his mentor was Mario Lemieux. Both those guys played with one team their whole career and one of them was Pittsburgh.
He's earned the right to stay or leave and the decision is entirely his.
Players’ contracts show what they have “earned.”
Crosby has earned the right to not take a trade he doesn’t like.
But he hasn’t earned the right to get paid whatever he wants for as long as he wants.
And if he has not earned the right to block the Pens from rebuilding if that’s what they need to do.
But Crosby really isn’t the problem right now.
Yzerman was almost traded to the Senators in the mid 90s and from what I recall, Yzerman was okay with getting traded but it was nixed by ownership. Everything worked out after that - but it came close.
"is it heartbreaking if a millionaire wears a different shirt"
Apparently Draisaitl’s agent just came out and said Draisaitl wants to stay but it’s in the Oilers court on what they want.
It’s really on him.
He and McDavid are handed blank checks and told to remember they win when they have a team.
How much those 2 choose to make decides how long Edmonton is a cup contender.
100% this
@@safertobeanonymous2224 There are no 'blank checks' in the NHL. Oils could lose both if they don't smarten up.
@@reignofrock smarten up? Like making the finals? Signing good value support players? That kind of smarten up? 🤦♂️
me shouting ovechkin at the screen the whole time they talked about if anyone played out their entire 12 (13 in his case) year contract:
i paused one second to say this before they did, sorry guys love you xoxo
I did the same.
Same 😂
The only reason malkin and letang are penguins is because of Crosby. I don't see him leaving them.
Penguins should get rid of all 3 and start working on a rebuild.
That savoie trade is brutal! What are the Sabres thinking?
I would assume they are thinking that they need to start winning games at some point and stop hoarding prospects. Poor value trade, but makes them a better team this season and filled the hole at 3C.
Savoie gonna be a stud. Buffalo deserves to lose
I can't front. Based on the video title, I was expecting a Sid Seixeiro appearance on the pod here.
It's totally plausible Crosby takes a trade. But Malkin and Letang have to be gone as well. C.J. never brought that up. No way Crosby let's those guys rot in Pittsburgh while he gets traded to a contender. He had to talk Malkin into signing that deal. He's not going to leave his teammate of almost 20 years hanging. He is a leader. He doesn't need to catch a ride to the Stanley Cup. He's done that. 4 times. Won 3.
Lol ... Sid ain't leaving.
If Crosby stays, that literally means quite the opposite that Malkin and Letang have to go. Crosby is the reason those two are re-signed. Crosby went to Florida to convince Geno to come back and keep those 3 together. Why would he do that and then have them get traded or leave himself?
Because at that point there was still hope they could go for another cup. At this point after losing guentzel and all the other guys getting older there is no chance this team isn’t in the bottom 10.
@@shreksswamp1182 I’ll never not have hope as long as those 3 are on the team. Yes at some point the wheels will fall off, but the reason they missed the playoffs was not because of their big buys. The bottom six was a sieve and the power play was abysmal. As much as Guentzel is better than Bunting, Bunting is exactly what we need. A scratch and claw front of the net guy on the power play. Hornqvist 2.0. And frankly I see that trade as the equivalent of when the Penguins traded James Neal, the much better player, for Patric Hornqvist, a much more needed player. Bunting will help the power play, and the bottom six was improved this free agency period. And if the bottom six ends up sucking again, most of the players we signed this year were one year contracts. Those will all come off the books. Petry and Smith’s retentions will come off the books. They’re projected to $30 million in cap space next year to play around with
Very legit point.
However, maybe the boys talk and realize what’s best for themselves personally for the next few years.
Dubas, should have never picked up that Karlsson contract(coulda had a marchesault and another wonderful player)
@@landonbaumgardner1277 if you seriously believe the pens will win another cup with that core let alone make the playoffs.. than I don’t know what to tell you man, besides the next decade at minimum will be painful for you pens fans.
@@Traumawarrior77 that may be true but I think Karlsson has been good for us. He was never going to replicate his 100 point season. I think people had way too much in terms of expectations for him. And if that cap space wasn’t used up by Karlsson it would have been used up by Jan Rutta, Jeff Petry, and Mikael Granlund. I think the only way to get out of those was to get Karlsson. You weren’t going to get a Marchessault or anyone else in a trade for those guys and you wouldn’t have been able to sign anyone this offseason because those would still be on the books.
Steve, you're bad at math. 30% below your value doesn't mean multiply by 1.3. It means divide by 0.7. $12.14m.
I am officially a Habs fan who watches Dangle Leafs videos in the first hour they are uploaded. What have i become?
Exactly Same, I have a problem. Not many good Habs pods and I love watching Tdot emplode
You are officially now Leaf fans. That means your team will be in the playoffs.
@johnsummerhill8323 wow, 1 week in the playoffs annually
@@flackjacket3dits As opposed to many years not in the playoffs, in the past and the future.
@johnsummerhill8323 canadiens will win a playoff round before the leafs ever win another lol. Your teams core is aging out
He dosent leave, you mentioned his Loyalty. He isn't going anywhere especially with his superstitions.
I think Jesse missed in the Leon article that his agent said he is confident an extension is coming in Edmonton
The last two minutes were the best two minutes I was howling 🤣
Just so everyone knows Seattle is in a tax free state. The State of Washington always gets looked over when they talk about players looking for a tax free contract.
The way I hear Canadians talk about Kyle dubas sounds like that one bitter ex.
Dubas absolutely sucks based purely on his track record- A Pitt fan
@@Connor8609 usually when they give someone a all or nothing they think their gonna win
@@number1mostbiascapsfan66 He signed Karlsson , which was a massive swing and an abject failure. If they simply removed Reirden from the powerplay and fired him in Dec Jan, they would breeze into the playoffs last year, which I would consider a success for where the team is at.
It's just these guys (and a handful of other weird Leaf fans)
As an Oilers fan - 100%, everything is on this year.
If they want Bouchard they should be signing him before Draisaitl. Draisaitl is who he is, it would be hard to have a season that brings his number up much. Bouchard's number could easily inflate.
@@kurtwpggood point
Steve may have been ever so slightly high this episode
Update: I think his daughter may have just stolen a fair bit of sleep from him the night before
Weed is legal in Canada. You know that right?
@musicman76enator
And? If it was weed, it made for a very spacey, less focused Steve this episode i.e. a worse podcast experience. But I'm pretty sure it was just exhaustion
@@dangshnizzle6929 OK Boomer lmao
@musicman76enator zoomer*
Dude he was off his game this episode, probably due to exhaustion as was hinted at closer to the end. If it had been weed it would have been his own fault, but it was likely his daughter
I don’t think that’s how you are supposed to pronounce Stauber.
His dad Robb played in the league. Hobey Baker winner with Minnesota.
Savoie trade???
Thanks for answering my question on X, guys! Montreal is probably a few years out, they need to move out the forward contracts you mentioned. I'm hopeful the young D core steps up! Cheers, I never miss an episode.
If you're a Habs fan you probably already know this, but on the off chance you missed it, sdpn has another podcast on the network 'Bassu & Godin Notebook' which is a Habs podcast you might enjoy.
I know it's weird to recommend a Habs podcast as a Leafs fan, but they did an episode on the Leafs salary structure earlier this year that I checked out. Ended up staying on because the theme song slaps, their analysis is top tier, and the discussions are always interesting.
Penguins: it’s important Crosby plays his whole career here
Crosby: I want to play my whole career here
Pens writers: Crosby wants to stay and the Pens want to keep him. Literally no reason to worry.
Kyle Dubas’ spurned exes: WHY WOULDNT HE LEAVE NOTHING MATTERS ANYWAY LEAVE LEAVE LEAVE LEAVE
They just want to cheer for Sid and see Dubas fail. It’s getting annoying.
You're literally making things up, nobody said that or anything remotely close to that in this podcast. It's kind of a embarrassing to watch but you know, you do you I guess if it makes you feel big and strong.
@@mossly9785 they’ve literally been spouting this bullshit for a year.
Stop trying to make Crosby leaving happen. It’s not going to happen. Dude has the same jock since middle school but you think he’s gonna leave HIS team of 20 years?
Speaking of jock, Adam needs to get off of Dubas’ and get over it already.
@@joshf2218 it’s their way of coping with how miserable it is to be a Leafs fan. Imagine being obsessed with another team’s core ending in a whiff, when your own team’s core has never come close to sniffing success. It’s ridiculous.
As for Dubas, they still can’t comprehend that maybe Brendan Shanahan is the sole person they should blame for Toronto’s recent failure and not Kyle Dubas. The whole team runs through him.
really Pens would be stupid not to trade him lol
@@Nathanielhiggerson66 Pens would be stupid to trade him. The impact he has on young players and the organization is invaluable. Other teams fans just want to see him traded, simple as.
@@Nathanielhiggerson66 Agreed.
@@joshf2218You're delusional. The Penguins cannot properly rebuild as long as Sid is breathing and playing for the Penguins. He actively keeps them mediocre because he's still amazing.
Love you guys❤
Washington's management has repeatedly said they won't be burning it down and rebuilding from scratch. They're looking to go seamlessly from the Ovechkin era to the Ryan Leonard era. They've been adding prospects and they've shown a willingness to add via trade and free agency. They'll be even more aggressive once Ovechkin contract is off the books in 2 years. That's $9.5m for them to go out and shop for a scorer.
What would Pittsburgh fans prefer? I think 99% of the fanbase understands we’re going down with the ship. Sure we might be “mid” the last few years of their careers, but it’s about Tanger, Geno, and Sid retiring Penguins. It’s something very few fan bases understand. The only thing you have right about this situation is that yes, the Burke/Hextall years were terrible to this team.
It's probably one of the few things caps and pens fans should mutually agree and understand on. We may be mid the last few years of their respective careers but I don't want to see ovi/sid in any other jersey.
I was 11 Years old when we won the Cup in 09. The Moment Fleury made the Save and the Clock ran out i jumped into the Arms of my Dad Celebrating. I will remember this Moment until i die. Just like i remember where i was when we Won the Cup in 2016 and 2017. Crosby, Malkin and Letang are the Heroes of my Childhood and early adult life because they brought us the Cup. I couldnt care less if we go on a 5-10 Year Rebuild and i dont care if that Rebuild starts in 5 Years. I want 87, 71 and 58 to be Lifelong Penguins. Even the thought of any of them playing in a different Uniform makes me sick. And i know that all of them want the same. They deserve their Farewell Years, they deserve their Money, they deserve a dignified farewell when the time comes. Dubas and FSG will make sure that that happens. This whole talk about him leaving comes from outside the Pittsburgh Media because its nice Clickbait and it worked here too. But its further Away from the Truth then Donald Trump.
Lol, you hope you'll at least be "mid" most likely Pens will be competing for last in the league.
Like how mcdavid and draisatl will retire as oilers..i get it 😊
@@user-fq2jv3ds7h exactly. Pat McAfee talks all the time about how any time there is talk about Peyton Manning, the picture associated with it seems to more often than not be of him in a Broncos uniform, even though he played a decade plus with the Colts and is a Colts legend. I don’t want that for any of Crosby, Malkin, or Letang. Frankly it’s been like 7 years since Fleury left and it’s still painful seeing him in other jerseys. And as much as I dislike the Caps, Ovi belongs in a Capitals jersey. Nothing else.
Still live as I type this at near 8am ET
the next pod better be called apples and there BETTER be apples :)
Guys Will one of you tell Steve the horse is dead and he can't beat it to death any more.
This Sid conversation is simple. It doesnt much matter what the fans think about it. It matters what Sid wants for the remainder of his career and as a lifelong Pens fan and nhl fan in general ill support whatever decision he makes because he deserves it. Period.
Caps also sold at the last two deadlines. 😊
''this one time at golf camp''
I think people forget that when Leon signed that contract people ostracized the oilers saying it was a bad deal. Hindsight is 2020 and it was one of the best contracts for the past few years
Can we have a full episode of Steve doing maths? I’d watch
Gotta take the Goodmonton with the Badmonton.
LOOK AT THIS GRAPH is an all time Vine
What if jeff skinner denied a trade to toronto because adam called him stuart 😂
Jaxson Stauber scored a goal this past season for the Rockford Icehogs, his dad also scored for the Rochester Americans in the 90s they’re the only father-son duo to do that in the AHL. Also the only goalie to score a goal and record a shutout in the AHL.
We'll know the moment Isla is sleep trained because Steve will stop sounding like he's smelling burnt toast 24/7
That Nurse comment about what he would get on the free agent market is def way off. He played sheltered minutes in the finals which is why he looked competent; and was getting caved in for 3 rounds beforehand. Id take Pesche, Roy, Zadorov, Or Gotisbehere over him. Tanev with a broken foot outplayed him in the Dallas series. Whats the difference between Nurse and Dimitry Kulikov who makes just over 1 million?
I'm a 24 year old man and just learned Canadians call it "soccer baseball....." Kick ball was an option and someone there just said "nah, we like ours more"
The obsession with Pittsburgh's stars playing in not-Pittsburgh is f%cking tedious.
Pittsburgh need to rebuild and clinging on to this false hope they can have any meaningful impact is asinine. WAKE UP, its time to rebuild my guy
only toronto fans who hate dubas lol
@@bradleyvision7315 Not most of us. These guys are particularly bad with Dubas salt
That math ain’t right there Steve for the Draisaitl.
If he’s saying he’s getting paid 70% of x and that is 8.5, then
0.7 * x = 8.5
So x = 8.5 / 7 = 12.14
Not 8.5 * 1.3 = 11.05
The great part of the PLD deal is if I'm Carberry I make him sit next to Ovi every game. Tell Ovi "hey if you see him slipping or not giving his best effort you handle it". Let him have a bad shift once he may never do it again.
Issue with the pens is that Letang and Malkin deals 😂
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a whole ass rumor that Rutherford wanted to move off of one of the Pens top players (Malkin maybe?) and then he got the axe?
If so...HMMMM....what does that remind you of?
(Answer: Dubas allegedly wanting to move one of the core 4 and Shanahan fired him before he could)
There were rumors, but the only solid reporting on Rutherford leaving was that he wanted to make non-player changes, i.e. coaching staff and ownership said no.
@@turkeykaiser Ah.
As a Caps fan, i was indeed yelling at the screen "Oviii" lol.
Good assessment about the Habs ... we're not there yet, the rebuild is not complete.
I expect better results than last year but making the playoff is a long shot IMO.
We need some of our upcoming prospects to first make the team and we need to get rid of some dead weight contracts.
Yup, unfortunately a lot of fans dont seem to understand that and the francophone media are the worst about the playoff talk.
Datsyuk's contract ended up in Arizona but Datsyuk never signed a super long contract. Franzen did sign an 11 year deal though and also never finished it and he was up on LTIR like Zetterberg.
30% under his market value would mean playing at 70% of his market value which is 8.5/0.7 (12.1), not 8.5*1.3 (11.05) which would be seeking a 30% raise, a difference of about a million $$
7:30 it was Datsyuk's contract that was traded to Arizona..but he was never signed to a contract over 7yrs. Zetterberg started & finished as a Red Wing, but didn’t finish his entire 12yr contract.
You guys should do an edibles episode lol.
Fuller
Hey thoughts on 4 Nations 6 players?
So unbelievably excited for CJ monday
It's funny how these guys outright dismissed Matthews to Arizona as just a cheap piece of fake media hype, but Sidney Crosby leaving the Pittsburgh Penguins is headline material.
1:24:34 idk if it's ever been done before, but instead of drinking beer out of the Cup (or hot dogs, hello Phil Kessel) I would absolutely put a deep dish pizza in the top bowl of the cup
The skull on the back of the Auston 3:16 shirt should have a moustache on it...
Then TAKE MY MONEY.
You Guys Are Awesome!
i would rather he stay honestly. we got to be good for so long, arguably the best team of the cap era, which is a miracle in of itself, like it’s okay if we suck for a while. if he wants to go somewhere else, he will keep being my favorite player and i will cheer for him, but it would be very heartbreaking, and honestly i don't think he's actually gonna go rn tbh (he was just instrumental in the malkin and letang extensions for example and i think they want to be together at the end of their careers and imo they have earned that)
Leon signs for 12.75-13.25
Mcdavid 14.5
Nurse has a full no move clause
Marner and Domi should be forever linemates, Marner needs some grit into his game so he can actually be effective. They played great together in London and the playoffs this year.
Canadian media are so in love with the idea of Sid playing anywhere other than Pittsburgh right now. It’s kind of sickening
I’ll be back here laughing when he re signs in Pittsburgh
Pens won’t be sniffing close to the playoffs regardless with there roster.. so why not trade him and get ahead of a most likely 10 year rebuild.
no just toronto media
I think Pens fans need to wake up and realize its time to rebuild. I'd be wanting Crosby to go somewhere he can actually win before his career is done...
@@shreksswamp1182 because hes the 2nd best player in franchise history.
Fun fact Chris Kunitz has 4 cups in the cap era
Matthews wore Marchand’s 63 at camp 😂
July 6th... 8:21 a.m. in Minnesota... capfriendly is still up. Maybe hope?
People: Omg wouldn't it be cool if Stamkos played somewhere else.
Also People: How could Stamkos leave this is embarrassing and awful.
People: wouldn't it be awesome for Crosby to play somewhere else
Also people:....
It was embarrassing on the lightning end. Stammer has paid his dues and earned his right to do what he wants.
No it wasn’t. Stamkos wanted to make more money. That was his priority.
The Lightning don’t want to turn into the Penguins.
Tampa offered him less than half the dollars per year than he's getting, and then turned around and have Hedman the same deal Stamkos did. I don't think you cam really make that argument, even after Stamkos did them a huge favour and signed for less on his last deal.
@brandongerofsky4817 Unfortunate that happened though. At the end of the day, they're just running a business to win. Feelings have no place in that deal.
How can y'all talk about the Stampede music lineup, and not mention that Toronto's very own Metric is performing there? Lol
Bergy is capping the Kings like he did the Habs, they need to cut ties for realz!
I mean, everyone's different, but if my 28 year old son came to me and said, " daddy, here's the cup," I may have some questions
As a Penguins fan- every time you would preface a statement by “This might hurt pens fans’ feelings”, you were absolutely right
Also, Kobe was almost a Chicago Bull. The Bulls ultimately did not want to give up Luol Deng and as a result Kobe remained a Laker.
As a life long pens fan I would love to see Crosby play with MacKinnon
The fact that no one has done an "Auston 4:16" t-shirt is a travesty.
I got really happy when I heard Billy Talent was playing then got really sad when I realized it was going to be in Calgary
We need Adam nad Steve to go to golf camp
McDavid making the same money he does today is north of 16M using a 5% annual cap increase, which will probably be higher coming off the CBA renewal. Matthews got a 1.25% raise this year without giving Toronto 4 extra years of cost certainty... Unless they both agree to take a discount and try to win the next 7-8 cups together or a shorter term deal you might see a 150-160M deal worth 18-20M a year for Connor. Leon is in the 120M (14-15M AAV) range.
In regards on trading Crosby. I feel, a good pick and a good prospect back is a good goodbye present from Crosby.
Would Crosby sign a 2yr 6 mill in Edmonton next season, that be insane
But if they do a Leaf’s thing they will never win a cup, they need them to take a bit of a discount to keep them all together still be able to get other pieces for winning seasons.
The Rangers have a similar deal with MSG where they can't have home games outside of MSG, which is why the Buffalo Sabres were technically the home team for the Winter Classic at Citi Field.
Dangle would be received like a conquering hero if he came to Stampede
Chris Kunitz is the Cap Era leader for Cups!
The discussion of letting Crosby go, ironically, feels similar to the Giroux discussion for Philly
(but with no success)
leon didnt give the discount.... when he signed his deal everyone said this is an overpay... at the time it was, however it quickly became the deal it was...
I became a Pens fan when they were a basement team and ownership was threatening to sell.
Which time, the 70s, 80s, 90s or 2000s 😂
30% below his value would mean he should be making 12.14M
*warning, math ahead*
Let x equal his value:
x*(1-.3) = current salary (8.5)
.7x = 8.5
x = 8.5/.7
x = 12.14M
Think of it this way -- if he was worth 12.14M, a 30% discount (30% below his value) would be 12.14M * .7, or 8.5M. If he was making 11.05, a 30% discount would be 7.73M.
oilers need a gm in place to negotiate leon, which in turn means bouch then can be discussed. Oilers could sign leon rn but want the new gm to be apart of it
Jesse your taste in D men is so bad man. Montour, Skjie, Pesce, Tanev, Zadorov, OEL all far far better Dmen than Nurse.
I work at the Stampede and I tell ya, its a hot mess behind the scenes. Also, you don't need to go, it's just a very expensive state fair with somewhat cool concerts
I love how much Steve downplays Detroit even after adding tarasenko, makes you wonder
Not one person thought the Draisaitl SPC was a hometown discount when it was signed. Not one.
exactly, both him and his agent pressured the oilers into that contract but only after connor did he find his game and look like a 10+ million guy (in 2018 not 2024 terms)
Nobody is arguing that
@@mossly9785 ,
"50:50 like Matthews is 13 and a half how if you're quarter 13 and a quarter how if you're Le on Dr go I'm worth more than
50:57
that how do you not and you've given the discount oh
51:04
yeah you've already given the home Hometown discount you now need to go and get what is it 13 by8 14 by7 if he goes"
There is a claim that Leon took a hometown discount right here in the video.
As a Chicago fan growing up, and then getting the dynasty of the 10's it was definitely hard when Kane was getting traded, but it was all in on watching him get traded for a chance to win.. Toews was medically questionable, and the end was near. It was sad, but a good day
I love how you are saying the oilers should do exactly what what they did with Darnell nurse. There's a reason he is over paid and that's because they bridged him twice.
The best thing sid can do for the pens now is let them trade him
He has said he wants to play with the Habs and McKinnon before he retires
For the capitals the added bonus is Ovi chasing gretzky record makes them relevant no matter what and they decided "well what if we are relevant and good for a bit" The pens haven't done that approach they keep hitting their head against the wall and wondering why their head hurts. They higher Dubas who is a younger version of GM model they previously had lock up core and try to plug holes around them. That's the problem.
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