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The issue is the price. What did an entry level iMac cost a few weeks ago? This is that product, redesigned and significantly downgraded, for how much? Apple gear is great, this display is great, but this price, by Apple’s own standards, is just wrong
I am getting one. Hopefully arriving this week. The price is a bit mad when you compare with that of the low-end Intel 5K iMacs, but relative to the Ultrafine 5K, it's easily $300 better than that (and here in Europe it's wholly discontinued anyway, so it's not an option). But it's what I've always wanted, and no-one else is making anything like it, so I kinda have to get one now. 😀 Pixel density is everything. Wish Dell was making one... (I'd actually really have liked standalone versions of the 4.5K screen in 24" iMacs. I might have got two of those. But I reckon if that was coming at all it would have been announced at the same time, and we'd be talking now about the Studio Display 24 and Studio Display 27.)
I'm not getting one, the price / performance just isn't there. This is a 'STUDIO' display and therefore meant for professionals and it doesn't meet many professional requirements. The advances in display tech including; 10 bit colour depth, colour consistency, HDR, local dimming, higher refresh rates etc.... all add up to make real benefits for a professional user, just comparing it to a MacBook pro xdr pro-motion display shows this only too well, especially when your looking at a display 8+ hours a day, every day! No, What this is, is a really really nice home monitor for non-professionals and I'm sure apple knows this. Why have centerstage on a business monitor! The last thing you want in a business environment is the camera panning around an office showing things it shouldn't, you need that cam fixed on you and only you! I'd love you to do a large comparison of displays with 4K USB-C monitors, the likes of BenQ, Dell, Huawei, and many others, to see if there is an up to date option at the same or lower cost than the Apple studio display (enough of the 5K LG UltraFine comparisons) which is basically the same monitor.
I remember gasping when I purchased the cinema screen 11 years ago but it has been perfect for all that time and powers my MBA. It was $1000 back then and the new Studio is no more expensive in constant value dollars. With my major refresh I am sticking with Apple Studio. It has no compromises with everything built in, 5k for Mac OS and beautiful engineering. It will be great for the next 10 years.
Why other manufactures can't do design as simple as this? Because no other monitor makers will be crazy enough to CNC the whole display housing out of a big chunk of aluminium, that's what only Apple can do. As simple as that.
@@PeterbFree yea they put a bunch of techs nobody need in a display and sell it at the price of an iMac which is ridiculous. The display itself is 6 years old, there are plenty of better monitor displays at $1000 out there.
Excellent point. At this thickness they should have stuck an M1 in there instead of the A13, added some fans, a wifi chip and a few more ports and called it an iMac. And it would have come with a keyboard and mouse!
I don’t understand the 2x resolution thing entirely. I get what upscaling is and how it works, but I don’t understand how it applies to MacOS and 5k monitors.
Could you elaborate on this please, I remember when I tried to scale the Mac mini to native resolution on my 27in 4K display it looked fuzzy and nowhere near as clear as on windows. I thought it was down to the font apple was using.
I completely understand the 5k being 2x 1440p struggle. However, I just don't find that slightly better scaling to be worth an extra $600-$1000. With that said, Apple knows plenty of people will pay it, so it is what it is. Definitely disappointed, but I just can't justify $1600 for what you're getting. The fact that height adjustment alone is $400 just bonkers to me.
I'm one of those people who was begging Apple for years to just take the iMac 5K panel and make a standalone display. Exactly what I wanted. I'll be buying one soon.
Yeah I’ve been begging for this. But I’m a bit spoiled now by the new MacBook Pro displays. I still bought a Studio Display anyways. It still looks great.
@@superkoopatrooper4879 Also going for the build quality. Look up all the build issues with the LG monitor. I’ve personally gone through 3 of them because the ports can pull out over time and become useless.
@@superkoopatrooper4879 I know it's the same panel. I'm looking at the exact same panel right now in my iMac 5K (late 2015). I want the case around it to be good, not wobbly plastic junk. BTW, the price is $1599.
Not just mac nerd, I am a developer/designer and I want the designs to be pixel perfect and color perfect. At $2100 here in India, that's a steal for me. There's no alternatives.
On Friday, I visited my local Apple Store and had "eyes on" time with the Studio Display. Because they were out of stock, I could not take one home with me at that time. But when I returned home, I did go online and placed an order for the $1600 model. It should arrive around April 11th. Would I have enjoyed Pro Motion capability? Absolutely. (Personally, I value Pro Motion capability above HDR capability on the desirability scale - especially on a display with a sustained 600 nit brightness level rating.) Still, I mainly deal in photography and image editing and processing so 60 Hz is perfectly acceptable to me in a display. What I do insist on is clarity, sharpness and color accuracy characteristics in a display and the Studio Display has those qualities in "spades".
I have the ultrafine 5k and when I saw the studio display in store, it was instantly and noticeably better. Now I want a new companion to my M1 MacBook Pro.
There is a big issue with the display that reviews have not yet addressed. No its not the unacceptably horrendous webcam. The issue is that the monitor runs its own operating system (IOS) to manage the camera, microphone and speakers. Like any device running a consumer based operating system, it can't be run indefinitely without restarting it or you run into issues. If you don't restart your iPad or iPhone for weeks or months you will eventually experience all kind of issues. I got my studio display on March 18. yesterday my camera started acting up, then the microphone and speakers would stop working sporadically. After hours with Apple support it was determined the monitor needs to restart. BUT there is no way to do it, it has no power button and no way to actuality shut it down or reboot/restart properly. So the only way to do restart the display is to unplug it from the power source for a minute and plug it back in. We did so and its working fine again. However, doing it that way means you are crashing the build-in OS rather than properly restarting it. That of course can potentially damage the display just like crashing your computer every time you want to restart it.
I think the monitor will handle being disconnected from power. There are a lot of electronic devices where, when they experience problems, it’s advised to disconnect them for seconds to minutes and plug them back in. What you’re describing doesn’t seem concerning to me.
Went to the Apple Store today and looked an this monitor hooked up to a Mac Mini. I thought this display with a Mac Mini or a Mac Studio Max was a potential upgrade to my iMac Retina 5K, 27-inch, Late 2015. Now I'm not too keen to jump and will probably keep using the iMac for a while longer. I'm not seeing enough gains to justify the expense for what I do. That shocked me for a 7-year-old computer.
I just traded in the same iMac today. It was my favorite computer I have ever had. If I could use it as a stand alone monitor, I would have kept it, but my new setup needs a dedicated monitor. I was debating getting a Mac Studio, but went with a Macbook Pro M1 instead as the Studio would have been overkill for what I do.
@@user73958 u can use iMacs as a display which have been produced before 2015, they are not 5k but still can be use as a display via thunderbolt port for any mac, colours are not as same as 5k iMacs but still can used 3rd or 4th display for preview. I have been use this 2xiMacs setup since 2019, it s quite handy. Switch it and use as a display and switch back and use as an stand alone iMac. And they are really cheap these days compare with these new mac price tags
@@aytangonulsen2969 He doesn’t really want to keep his iMac, it’s just a buyers reasoning statement. I mean he bought old tech for a premium price, so pretty much all you need to know.
@@mopnem the funny thing is u can still use an old iMac as a display with fancy Mac Studio and its just very useful, same screen 2 different computers, altough I use it with mac mini for a while. I think these imacs are great for headless macs
@@keesswier212 I move/ exchange my monitors and I had troubles with power cables before. Also, it’s nice if you can change the length of a cable to suit your needs.
@@RabianskiT In your case, it is therefore wise not to opt for the Studio Display. Apple will release a new display next year. Maybe that's for you. That display will in any case be more expensive than the Studio Display, but it does meet your needs.
@@RabianskiT I don't know if this makes you any less disappointed, but a lot of people have a love-hate relationship with Apple, myself included. They make unbelievably beautiful products, but the decisions they make to take more money out of your pocket anger many people. Ultimately, Apple will lose if they continue this way of doing business.
I am super on the fence on this. I did order the Studio Display two weeks ago and it is supposed to ship soon. While I have been waiting, I have been checking out reviews and alternatives. On specs, there seems like there are so many "good enough" options (LG, Dell, etc). I did go out and have a look at those and in-person with my own eyes it is clear that there is a huge difference in monitors. Not that the alternatives are bad, but they are not that good. Plastic bodies and displays that are "okay". While cheaper, a close to $1000 display with not great graphics is disappointing. The Studio Display costs more, but it is a far superior product. I have and love the display on the new MacBook Pro (it is stunning!) so my eyes are used to really good displays. Hypothetically, if Apple did release an LED, blah, blah, blah (closer to the MacBook Pro display, but in 27 or 32 inches) I don't think I could justify the price. While there is a lot to knock, I think this display is going to be a perfect compliment to my workflow for music, photography and video production.
Excellent review. I think you hit it on the head that Apple is prioritizing the Centerstage functionality over a sharper - but static - webcam. I’m not sure that was the best play on a non-portable device, tho. I love Centerstage on my iPad Pro because I can set it anywhere and the camera just centers on me. But a big 27" display? It is just always going to be planted directly in front of my chair. Who is using a Studio Display while cooking dinner or working in the garage?
Agreed. I could see the M1 iMac having Center Stage but the Studio Display seems to be more for pro environments, who are people that are less likely to want or even care about such a feature since they'll more than likely be working solo anyway. To borrow a phrase from Brian Tong, it's a "bad apple" when Apple's charging $1,600 for a display with a "meh" web cam. That said, if the web cam was pixel and picture perfect and the adjustable stand wasn't a $400 premium, few if any would have an issue. In a perfect world the Studio Display would be $999 with a $400 stand option that has both height adjustment and rotation. Or charge $1,599 with all of that and $999 for a VESA-only option. I don't often scoff at Apple's pricing schema because I believe in the value they bring over competitive products and while I have every intention of buying the Studio Display and a Mac Studio I'm not thrilled about the Studio Display's price. I feel like this is one product Apple could've priced lower and still made a killing on.
@@incredibilistic Many good points. Personally, I’m disappointed with this display. I guess, I will have to wait for Mini-LED versions (that will hopefully have detachable cable or mag safe power chord).
@@RabianskiT I hope they don’t add MagSafe to it. I still use the thunderbolt displays and having MagSafe just hanging there doing nothing is mildly annoying.
I've had the same 5K iMac since 2017 and I still think pictures and videos/movies look fantastic. Obviously not as good as a HDR display but at the same time I don't watch enough content that would take advantage of higher dynamic range tech. I'd rather see a higher frame rate than a wider contrast ratio. All in all, I love this display and it'll probably hold me over for another couple years.
The not-matching-display thing is REAL. Not even as much about iPhone and stuff, but putting your monitor next to your Macbook whne your monitor doesn't match the mac -- it does drive me bonkers.
I fully intended to wait for a minLED Apple display, but today I weakened and ordered the Studio Display. It might have had something to do with me selling my 27" iMac, but then again, I fit that Apple user profile you talked about! 🤓
You don't get miniLED and HDR at Apple in this price range. You have to go to other manufacturers for that. If you like extremely beautiful minimalistic design, aluminum material and fantastic build quality, then Apple is the place to be.
Price is unjustified. The centerstge is pointless for a display that is going to sit static on a desk. Not sure what the point of having a A13 Bionic inside is (probably defective chips re being used here). Also, these studio displays cannot be daisy chained. You have to connect each individual display to each individual port on the Mac/MacBook. At this price, there are much much much better displays on the market. Extra 400 just for a stand to be able to tilt?? Unless someone is a die hard fan that only fancies Apple products, not sure how someone can justify buying this.
Do you know any Monitors with daisy chain functionality that work on mac? They seem rare. Plus, with 218ppi-Resolution there is unfortunatley no competition.
With the standard tilt-adjustable stand, how high is the bottom edge of the active display pixels? My 27" displays must line up across my desk! Open space between the desktop and the bottom of the display? None of Apple's specs show this dimension. How can I know if I want the height adjustable stand if they don't tell us how high the standard stand is?
Wanted 120hz… especially at this price… might still get one. Really annoyed with the stupid power cable. There is NO reason to not use a standard removable plug. Sure, a MagSafe cable would have been cool but not strictly needed. D!€k move by Apple…
@@ReneRitchie definitely, you can combine multiple output sources with that software and use your keyboard volume controls as well as if it’s just one device
*Most professional film makers who are working in the day to day commercial, cable TV Network, and industrial/freelance sector don't work in an HDR workflow. HDR is still pretty much considered to be a (specialty) delivery - special order type of production. The majority of work is still acquired and delivered in a Rec.709 image workspace. Even at best, HLG is the prefered route, since it can be derived from Rec. 709 sources and re-processed by shooting in a special Rec.709 Log. This is why it's called (Hybrid) (Log) Gamma. You acquire in a standard Rec. 709 and produce and deliver a compatible delivery which behaves almost identically to an HDR Gamma Curve. The BBC in England do a bit of HLG since doing so looks great on traditional rec.709 and HDR screens alike 👌What pro editors and colorists look for in a professional quality monitor is (Color Precision), (10 Bit Color Depth), and (High Screen Rosolution of 6K). Soon, with the advent of 8K Broadcast TV, accurate 8K resolution monitors will become essential. 8 Bit color depth screens, simply cannot provide the color reproduction depth and accuracy commercial print and cinema movie colorists must have in order to do their jobs properly.*
@@shameermulji Yup. All I'm saying is this other Mac Studio Monitor isn't good enough to justify it's premium price tag. The Pro XDR (Apart from it's rediculously overpriced and not so great stand) Monitor is good enough.
I'd agree that the color calibration and sort of industry standard apple has established makes a difference. Not only does anyting I share on line look the same as I saw it on any other Apple device, but if I send a digital file to be printed at a professional photo printing shop, it is effortless. I just tell them 'm using whatever specific Apple display at factory calibration, and I get back a print on paper that color matches exeactly what I saw on my screen. That is a huge advantage.
Apple could have delivered value here but chose instead to deliver a display with a bloated price tag, particularly if you desire an adjustable stand (everyone).
The truth that is not being said here is that consumers asked for that half a decade ago… the monitor improvements to the 5K mac are the lowest bar Apple has probably ever strived to reach. No one is asking for older technology, I promise. The justification that Apple nerds will buy this because they don’t want to own outside of Apple is also a lazy excuse, I’m sure Apple is expecting this monitor to sell to mainstream, treat it as such compared to the rest of the competition. Some new (not new monitor related) features were added… that’s fine. One is a hit (speakers), one is a miss (webcam) and one is cool to have but also why, in the grand scheme? (A13 processor). $1,599… an insane price for a bare minimum monitor revisit, with a few sprinkles of side tech. It’s sad to even anticipate the mini LEDs market price if this is Apple’s low tier monitor. A side note: Trying to make consumers happy about their purchase, rather than lean into a product’s shortcomings at Apple’s price points, doesn’t really help technology get pushed forward. Also, trying to convey that no matter the tech inside, you’re always going to want something better anyway, is another quick dismissal at an otherwise opportune moment to judge a product off it’s real value compared to what’s being advertised and sold to hard earning consumers. 🤷🏻♂️
Nothing has changed in 6 years though. There haven't been any monitor improvements that would meaningful for this spec at this price. You still can't transit high frame rate over Thunderbolt 4, and at 600 nits, you're getting better HDR than many so-called HDR panels, and to get better you'd need OLED or Mini-LED which no one has marketed at 5K yet... so?
@@ReneRitchie respectfully, those are all constraints that I understand and do not know how to solve. Apple chose to not solve those issues here either. So if they can’t because “current capabilities” then that’s fine but should charging $300 more for 2/3s of better features along with 600 nits be the answer? Also, I can’t stress enough how the quality of that webcam, as it stands, can be included in the conversation of “look, they added more than just screen” to justify the price. My larger question to this product is why does it exist if a better version from Apple is on the way soonish (according to rumors), and at this price point? It’s overpriced. The sad thing is that consumers will look at the Studio Display as a bargain when they see the “Studio Display Pro” and what it costs, bringing in the real features everyone (including Apple nerds) wants today not 5 years ago. Which when looking at it from a sobering point of view, explains why the Studio Display exists. Just to see how far they can push it when keeping those prices high, and creating new product categories. It’s not solely because “Apple wants to use premium parts and features” to justify their prices in this case, isn’t it? 😕
@Richard Gleaves Imagine if your argument actually held any merit to any of the consumer based complaints I’ve made. You might actually come off as someone with a valid opinion, instead of a UA-cam comment hater. Nice to see people who still enjoy insulting other humans online, stay classy.
ASUS PA27UCX-K Released in 2020 4K HDR10 Dolby Vision 1000 nits 27" True 10-bit Hardware calibration +500 local dimming zones More expensive than the Studio Display when it came out. Now much cheaper and runs around corners with the SD. Apple could have chosen to make something like this. They chose not to. Saying there has been no improvements in 6 years, is just incorrect.
Feels like they had the idea to build a quality mic speaker and camera in to a display which would compare to a dedicated one, then decided to cut back at the last minute so they had something for the Pro version
accurate colours are important for printing, I think you still need to calibrate your monitor with an external device that can then colour match accurately. I think as usual Apple is probably using a LG monitor and made it premium.
$1600 for a monitor is just stupid. The market for one of these displays are high level professionals and people with more money than brains. I am so pissed that Apple axed the 27" iMac too... We're going to be in for a long winter until Apple fixes itself. This is serious Apple Tax. This monitor should be $1000. ... I just can't even...
Not sure what you mean by "high level professionals". But if you think this or the XDR can be used for color critical Hollywood production, think again! They aren't even close!
No actual HDR, non removable power cable, no stand swapping, no daisy chain…. The A13 does not use the airplay features… There are so many cheaper options. I really wanted to love this but for some audio and camera that I am getting from my Mac it’s not worth it
2:03, but 1440p gaming display will also offer pixel perfect picture without scaling issues (low res on the other hand, in comparison with 5k or else, is another matter)
It is actually removable - it's just not designed to be *easily* removable. It requires a lot of force - Linus did it on his Friday stream "WAN Show" (he was willing to damage the device in his experiment, so he didn't hold back).
I think they shouldve added an hdmi port so it couldve been used as just a regular monitor as well without thunderbolt. Also, given it has an A13 chip in it, I think it would be cool if they put tvOS on the Studio Display. It would make a cool little Apple Tv display to use from time to time and would have a nice level of integration between the color calibration, movies, and dolby atmos/spatial audio. Its interesting because at first I thought this display was absurd being priced at 1600, but now that Ive looked around at all the other displays available, it is difficult to find a display of the quality of the studio display at 600 nits at all. Most monitors top out at only 350-400 nits. The specs of the monitor don't jump off the screen, but if you've used one of the recent iMac displays(then add 100 nits brightness) you would understand how much higher quality those displays are versus the other monitors on the market.
@Aziz Rahman well that’s the thing I actually wonder - will an hdmi input actually work through an adapter. I get the feeling apple probably made it so it only works through thunderbolt
Hello Rene. Maybe a stupid question, but here it is. I have a Imac from 2011 and a 5K Imac. After i bought the M1 mac mini, they are just kind of standing there. Is there a possibillity, and if yes how, to use the Imac's as just a monitor on the mac mini? Instead of buying the new studio display?
@@Queldonus I wouldn't need to feel it after I vesa mount it lol. Every monitor I've used has been plastic. I'm currently on a 1440p Dell ultrasharp so it's an upgrade regardless.
I live too far from an Apple Store, and I'm really cautious and cheap about buying new equipment when I don't really need it. But my eyes are getting older plus my posture is getting worse by peering too closely at my small Air screen (which makes me look ridiculous on Zoom). I ordered one from an Apple store, drove almost 2 hrs, and as I was waiting for my boxed monitor looked at the display model. Sold! (even though I already bought one). Christmas in March when I got home. Had to update to latest OS to get camera features to work, and I have to say the results that appear when viewing the Zoom video options look very nice. Excited to get the monitor to the office and work today. Can't keep it in the house, otherwise I'd be here all day, every day. Beautiful screen at any resolution, full brightness is actually too bright, colors rich, speakers wonderful, and video currently more than adequate for zoom. Not disappointed at all, and the cost is worth it for me and my older eyes.
i have HD Rin both my 2k LG monitors that also run in 4k as well on my mac m1s and my PC and they only cost me 328.00 each at walmart here in canada i also get 114 htz at 2k and 60 htz at 4k and on my pc these screens run native 165 htz 2k and i cant recall off hand at 4k and they can do 5k with the video card i have on my pc
Excellent insight as always Rene, really like how you make well balanced opinions with good arguments without sounding Apple fan at all haha. Great job. Cheers!
I ordered mine as soon as the orders went live and received the studio display a few days ago. I had been using the LG ultrafine 5K but really wanted a first party display that matches the build quality and design of my MacBook Pro. The studio display is not perfect and many of the criticisms are extremely valid but it does do what I wanted from a monitor. It provides a thunderbolt dock for my MacBook pro while looking amazing on my desk and having one of the best panels on any display for less than $2K.
I am sure the build quality is better than anything out there, but if I pair this with a Studio computer, I am paying a lot more than I would for an iMac. I will wait and see what they do with a higher end Mac Mini. I may go with that. I still think we will see a bigger iMac next year. The M1 Pro is plenty for me. I really don't need the Max chip
I don’t understand the single input, and being TB4 at that. If I want to use a Studio Display with two computers what can I do that doesn’t involve constantly swapping cables every time I switch between computers? I haven’t found any TB4 switches, but can find plenty of DisplayPort or HDMI switches. It would better to have multiple inputs, but I could easily live with hitting a button every time I wanted to switch between machines.
There are a ton of cheaper displays on the market, the people who wanted this type of display wanted this type of display and know the price (LG 5K UltraFine + better build quality/materials + Apple features via A13), no?
Why didn’t they use MagSafe for the power cord? Seems like they wasted time and engineering on a non user replaceable cord to increase manufacturing cost when they already had a solution for the M1 iMac.
My take of the Apple Studio display after 1 month for what it is worth. It’s probably the best monitor you can buy if you have a M1 MacBook Pro or a Mac Studio. If you can afford it, go for it. If not, there are good and cheaper alternatives out there but be aware that none of them will have the screen brightness, the build quality, nor the smooth and trouble free compatibility that comes with the studio display.
I don’t know. It costs more than an iMac and that’s a full computer with screen not being a $1000 worse. It would be cool if Apple had a descent $1000 monitor that could hook up to a Mac mini. It would be easier to upgrade and still have a pure Mac experience. But that monitor as is, it’s still over priced, and I get the criticism.
No thoughts on the non removable power cord? Seems like a glaring Apple design oversight. I mean what if you have a pet that like to chew stuff and gets at your cord now you have to bring your panel to an Apple Store 🤣
I'm happy I found this video! I bought an Apple Studio Display and a 2023 M2 MacBook Pro with 16-inch Liquid Retina XDR display. The whites on both displays are completely off: more red on the Studio Display, and more yellow on the MBP. When I compare with all the iPhones and iPads in the house, NOTHING looks alike. I'm curious: which Reference Mode are you using on your Studio Display? The default Apple Display (P3- 600 nits)? If so, are you using True Tone? If not, don't you feel like its D65 White Point is way too blue/red? If you're not using its default Reference Mode, which one are you using? Design & Print (P3-D50)? Photography (P3-D65)? Did you calibrate your Studio Display? If so, what device did you use? I bought the ColorChecker Display Pro, but I can't use it on my MBP because it's XDR! I've been living a pure 6000$ CAD nightmare for a month now. Please help! Thank you!
If Apple could do mini LED for $1099 on the iPad Pro 11 months ago, why is similar technology unobtanium in Apple Displays about 16”? I mean, I know the supply chain is off, and displays are hard to source at the best of times. I want the Studio Display to be for me. I’d use the features, maybe even remove my computer speaker system, desktop microphone, and janky phone-based emergency webcam, but the features of this panel are really getting me down, owning as I do a mini LED MacBook and iPad
Yeah, also scaling can be hard. Bigger OLED panels (not TVs, which use a different implementation) get issues with yield and consistency at bigger sizes. Mini-LED at 27-inches will take much more supply, and be much more expensive, than at 16-inches, at least for a good while
I seriously don’t understand people who expect a display at this price point to include HDR, MiniLED, and 120hz. Does this display REALLY cost $1599? Probably not, but if Apple included all the things they want in the ProDisplay XDR, it would be way more expensive.
It's because there are monitors currently out there that have better displays for cheaper price points than this. This studio display should at most cost 1k. It makes no sense otherwise.
@@codygaul3341 I'm not sure you could really find a better 5k display out there, even at this price point. I agree the display should be closer to $1,000, but you're also paying for more than just the panel; the A13 chip, 64gb of onboard storage, speakers, etc.
Great video. At some point we need to acknowledge Apple gets the most illogical, inconsistent criticisms that exist in tech. Not “worst build quality in the car industry” Tesla or even “I’ll rob you blind” Nvidia. Apple is criticized for not having the fingerprint reader on the 13 AND for having it on the SE. They’re dragged for the Studio display being too expensive by many who purchased the $200 cheaper LG ultra fine with arguably worse build quality, 60hz, bad speakers and darker. It goes on and on. Some people will never be happy with anything Apple produces.
You're pushing it too far..I'm an average apple guy, and I didn't like that the display is sold separately..I don't even have the separate lg version you're claiming most of us have(I have yet to see those that do have an lg version that are complaining about the separate display that apple just released)..I love the all in one, and would love to see that again with the new apple m1 ultra
@Aziz Rahman Quantum Dot LED using only blue (largely) green and red, no white led. The new technology from samsung. First display out is the Alienware 34”. Brighter than oled without the burning effect, and still the deep black.
I think a big and fair complaint is lack of compatibility outside of the apple ecosystem. The lack of other inputs or full support for Windows/Linux machines makes this monitor not only less flexible (even for users with multiple devices) but less sustainable as it requires users to have multiple displays for things like consoles or second machines, and will be less useful to non-apple users at the end of its life. This combined with the pseudo-non-removable cable really isn't a good look for apple. It's the thing I dislike most with current apple. Theyre all for sustainability where it benefits them, but when it's people questioning why they need an M1 iPad AND an M1 Mac to run final cut and procreate, sustainability stops mattering. They're actively making products worse and less sustainable to facilitate their ecosystem
And my fussy, Mac nerd, heart, is quite pleased with my new studio display. Is it perfect? No. But it makes a beautiful companion to my XDR display, and now, my dual display setup looks gorgeous (and sounds amazing). Thanks for this review. You, obviously get it.
@@ReneRitchie , like candy for my eyes. Actually, a little bit of a cluttered mess right now, as I’m reconfiguring my setup to include my upcoming Mac Studio (which still hasn’t shipped yet! Please, Apple!). Wish they had the height adjustable display in stock, but I had to go with what the store had, because I didn’t pre-order (was going to wait for the XDR replacement, but just got sick of my old setup). Since I swapped it out with my old Samsung 4k, everything is just working like it should. The windows don’t bounce around when I wake the computer from sleep. The colors between my MBP, Studio display, and XDR display are perfectly matched. I’m happy again. Wish I had HDR and 120 HZ, but I don’t really need those, I just love them. I needed a screen that matched my XDR, and this one fit the bill perfectly. And it just looks and sounds great. Just like I expected it would.
I'm hoping Ross Young is right and that Apple plans to introduce another 27" panel around WWDC time with mini-LED that isn't the Pro Display XDR, which would be 32". If Young is right, I'm going for the mini-LED after being spoiled by the MBP and iPad Pro. 120Hz doesn't make any difference to me since my eyes can't see it anyway and it's just as well since there are no display output standards that support 5K120.
@@Anonymous-vh9tc , I do actually do work on these screens. I do all things media related, including editing, color correction, live streaming, events, audio recording, film production and shooting. The pandemic shifted my business into a completely different gear. I have to turn work away, I’m so busy. This is the first time in my career that I have been able to afford these luxuries. I used to (and still do in some cases) buy my gear refurbished or used. I never had an Apple business account before last year. Don’t make quite enough yet to be a daddy to another person, got three kids and two cats that need me to keep producing.😜
Yeah, Apple's been doing that since the 2017 iPad Pro. It's about as good as you can get from LCD!
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Remembering the rumors from a few months ago, that Apple was planning a HomePod with a screen, I see this as a missed opportunity. If it only had the few extra componments (wifi, bluetooth, AirPlay2) then you can use it as HomePod even when your computer is off. It could even have been a FaceTime machine.
power cable fixed to the monitor. I am the niche market for this but i am afraid of buying one. I have a separate compute for big screens as the XDR display is too expensive and i hate using my mbp because of the scaling ( that sucks on mac os in general ) The problem to me is that i see only 2 kinds of review: who loves no matter what and people who hates this. I see no informative, real usage scenarios review. I guess i will wait to see for myself.
As someone that does like being in front of cameras or taking pictures I could care less for web cams on monitors, laptops and smart phones. Speakers on any monitor are just a joke. So it's a no sale for me.
This is actually really bad, I was kinda hyped for this, but 5k is the only feature of this monitor, you get a high quality 4k one and it outclasses this display in any way and you can use a vesa mount and have a removable cable + HDR + 120Hz + etc.
Still for many people its all about resolution. 163ppi (for example 4K LG 27") is simply way beyond 218 ppi (Apple Studio Monitor). In the end 5K is almost double the pixels of 4K.
@@oliver.n278I'm sorry, but it doesn't matter how many more pixels you get on your screen. You get a roughly 20-25% higher puxel density vertically and horizontally. And that's what your eyes see. So very negligible difference!
Thunderbolt 4 supports Displayport 1.4. and 120 Hz for 5K displays fails solely due to the limitation of the currently possible bandwidth of Thunderbolt 4 or HDMI 2.1..
accurate colours are important for print, I think you still need to calibrate your monitor with an external device that can then match printing documents
They did this to kill the cord on purpose. They expect that when it starts to fray like the apple iphone chargers, where it frays at the soft to hard joint, people will just buy a new monitor. They are trying to install a life expectancy into their products so you have to replace and rebuy new stuff.
Apple should’ve included the MagSafe cord, but How likely is it that the cord will be damaged. Almost no chance of that happening and if it doeS, it can be replaced by Apple. This is a non issue
@@codechannel528 The non-removable power cord makes it much harder to move the monitor if the cord is, say, zip-tied to the desk. With a normal monitor, the user can unplug the power cord, move the monitor, and use a new one at the new location. With this design, that becomes impossible. I agree that power cords rarely fail, but, in this case, the design makes the product unnecessarily inconvenient to use, with zero benefit for the user.
@@ReneRitchie Max Tech did an interesting head-to-head comparison of the Studio Display with the LG 5K and concluded that the differences were more than just the 600 nits. Everyone is seeing the Studio Display as essentially the 'same panel' as both the LG and the 27" iMac but I'd be surprised if Apple is resting that much on their laurels. So I'd be interested to see a head-to-head comparison on how the Studio Display actually looks when directly compared to a recent 27" iMac? Keep up the great work.
Wow......what an offering with nebula. Thanks pal! Nice work on the review too! I have had two 5K Ultrafines myself. Went to an LG OLED. Kind of too much screen for me. Not sure where to go from here. I love me an XDR if the price gets cut in half.
I don’t understand the 2x resolution thing entirely. I get what upscaling is and how it works, but I don’t understand how it applies to MacOS and 5k monitors. Do you have a video explaining this?
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The issue is the price. What did an entry level iMac cost a few weeks ago? This is that product, redesigned and significantly downgraded, for how much?
Apple gear is great, this display is great, but this price, by Apple’s own standards, is just wrong
I am getting one. Hopefully arriving this week. The price is a bit mad when you compare with that of the low-end Intel 5K iMacs, but relative to the Ultrafine 5K, it's easily $300 better than that (and here in Europe it's wholly discontinued anyway, so it's not an option). But it's what I've always wanted, and no-one else is making anything like it, so I kinda have to get one now. 😀 Pixel density is everything.
Wish Dell was making one...
(I'd actually really have liked standalone versions of the 4.5K screen in 24" iMacs. I might have got two of those. But I reckon if that was coming at all it would have been announced at the same time, and we'd be talking now about the Studio Display 24 and Studio Display 27.)
Colors look warmer light is brighter less echo fuller voice audio with less ambient noise and that’s the truth
I'm not getting one, the price / performance just isn't there.
This is a 'STUDIO' display and therefore meant for professionals and it doesn't meet many professional requirements. The advances in display tech including; 10 bit colour depth, colour consistency, HDR, local dimming, higher refresh rates etc.... all add up to make real benefits for a professional user, just comparing it to a MacBook pro xdr pro-motion display shows this only too well, especially when your looking at a display 8+ hours a day, every day!
No, What this is, is a really really nice home monitor for non-professionals and I'm sure apple knows this. Why have centerstage on a business monitor! The last thing you want in a business environment is the camera panning around an office showing things it shouldn't, you need that cam fixed on you and only you!
I'd love you to do a large comparison of displays with 4K USB-C monitors, the likes of BenQ, Dell, Huawei, and many others, to see if there is an up to date option at the same or lower cost than the Apple studio display (enough of the 5K LG UltraFine comparisons) which is basically the same monitor.
I remember gasping when I purchased the cinema screen 11 years ago but it has been perfect for all that time and powers my MBA. It was $1000 back then and the new Studio is no more expensive in constant value dollars. With my major refresh I am sticking with Apple Studio. It has no compromises with everything built in, 5k for Mac OS and beautiful engineering. It will be great for the next 10 years.
Why other manufactures can't do design as simple as this? Because no other monitor makers will be crazy enough to CNC the whole display housing out of a big chunk of aluminium, that's what only Apple can do. As simple as that.
Actually the 27 iMac came with mouse and keyboard, if you factor those in, the Studio Display is more expensive than the iMacs.
Fair!
This is 100% this issue.
No computer, no keyboard, no mouse. Where is the price reduction that matches the absence of these expensive items?
@@PeterbFree yea they put a bunch of techs nobody need in a display and sell it at the price of an iMac which is ridiculous. The display itself is 6 years old, there are plenty of better monitor displays at $1000 out there.
But comes with A13 😬
Excellent point. At this thickness they should have stuck an M1 in there instead of the A13, added some fans, a wifi chip and a few more ports and called it an iMac. And it would have come with a keyboard and mouse!
"it's natively 2x resolution" FINALLY a reviewer that understand our struggle, thanks Rene!
2k$ display and no 120hertz refresh rate 🤕
I don’t understand the 2x resolution thing entirely. I get what upscaling is and how it works, but I don’t understand how it applies to MacOS and 5k monitors.
Could you elaborate on this please, I remember when I tried to scale the Mac mini to native resolution on my 27in 4K display it looked fuzzy and nowhere near as clear as on windows. I thought it was down to the font apple was using.
Maybe they should have thought of that when they nuked subpixel antialiasing.
I completely understand the 5k being 2x 1440p struggle. However, I just don't find that slightly better scaling to be worth an extra $600-$1000. With that said, Apple knows plenty of people will pay it, so it is what it is. Definitely disappointed, but I just can't justify $1600 for what you're getting. The fact that height adjustment alone is $400 just bonkers to me.
I'm one of those people who was begging Apple for years to just take the iMac 5K panel and make a standalone display. Exactly what I wanted. I'll be buying one soon.
Yeah I’ve been begging for this. But I’m a bit spoiled now by the new MacBook Pro displays. I still bought a Studio Display anyways. It still looks great.
@@superkoopatrooper4879 Also going for the build quality. Look up all the build issues with the LG monitor. I’ve personally gone through 3 of them because the ports can pull out over time and become useless.
I love it, I got mine on Friday.
How was the LG Ultra Fine not the same as the 5k iMac display?
@@superkoopatrooper4879 I know it's the same panel. I'm looking at the exact same panel right now in my iMac 5K (late 2015). I want the case around it to be good, not wobbly plastic junk. BTW, the price is $1599.
Not just mac nerd, I am a developer/designer and I want the designs to be pixel perfect and color perfect. At $2100 here in India, that's a steal for me. There's no alternatives.
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On Friday, I visited my local Apple Store and had "eyes on" time with the Studio Display. Because they were out of stock, I could not take one home with me at that time. But when I returned home, I did go online and placed an order for the $1600 model. It should arrive around April 11th.
Would I have enjoyed Pro Motion capability? Absolutely. (Personally, I value Pro Motion capability above HDR capability on the desirability scale - especially on a display with a sustained 600 nit brightness level rating.) Still, I mainly deal in photography and image editing and processing so 60 Hz is perfectly acceptable to me in a display. What I do insist on is clarity, sharpness and color accuracy characteristics in a display and the Studio Display has those qualities in "spades".
I have the ultrafine 5k and when I saw the studio display in store, it was instantly and noticeably better. Now I want a new companion to my M1 MacBook Pro.
Oh no……… stop it!
There is a big issue with the display that reviews have not yet addressed. No its not the unacceptably horrendous webcam. The issue is that the monitor runs its own operating system (IOS) to manage the camera, microphone and speakers. Like any device running a consumer based operating system, it can't be run indefinitely without restarting it or you run into issues. If you don't restart your iPad or iPhone for weeks or months you will eventually experience all kind of issues. I got my studio display on March 18. yesterday my camera started acting up, then the microphone and speakers would stop working sporadically. After hours with Apple support it was determined the monitor needs to restart. BUT there is no way to do it, it has no power button and no way to actuality shut it down or reboot/restart properly. So the only way to do restart the display is to unplug it from the power source for a minute and plug it back in. We did so and its working fine again. However, doing it that way means you are crashing the build-in OS rather than properly restarting it. That of course can potentially damage the display just like crashing your computer every time you want to restart it.
I think the monitor will handle being disconnected from power. There are a lot of electronic devices where, when they experience problems, it’s advised to disconnect them for seconds to minutes and plug them back in. What you’re describing doesn’t seem concerning to me.
Went to the Apple Store today and looked an this monitor hooked up to a Mac Mini. I thought this display with a Mac Mini or a Mac Studio Max was a potential upgrade to my iMac Retina 5K, 27-inch, Late 2015. Now I'm not too keen to jump and will probably keep using the iMac for a while longer. I'm not seeing enough gains to justify the expense for what I do. That shocked me for a 7-year-old computer.
I just traded in the same iMac today. It was my favorite computer I have ever had. If I could use it as a stand alone monitor, I would have kept it, but my new setup needs a dedicated monitor. I was debating getting a Mac Studio, but went with a Macbook Pro M1 instead as the Studio would have been overkill for what I do.
@@user73958 u can use iMacs as a display which have been produced before 2015, they are not 5k but still can be use as a display via thunderbolt port for any mac, colours are not as same as 5k iMacs but still can used 3rd or 4th display for preview. I have been use this 2xiMacs setup since 2019, it s quite handy. Switch it and use as a display and switch back and use as an stand alone iMac. And they are really cheap these days compare with these new mac price tags
@@aytangonulsen2969 He doesn’t really want to keep his iMac, it’s just a buyers reasoning statement. I mean he bought old tech for a premium price, so pretty much all you need to know.
@@mopnem the funny thing is u can still use an old iMac as a display with fancy Mac Studio and its just very useful, same screen 2 different computers, altough I use it with mac mini for a while. I think these imacs are great for headless macs
I have the same one and it is an amazing machine. Worth every penny being fully maxed out.
The fact that this display has a BUILT-IN power chord really REALLY GETS ON MY NERVES.
How often do you move a monitor and how often does a power cable break? I never move my monitor and my power cable from any product has never broken.
@@keesswier212 I move/ exchange my monitors and I had troubles with power cables before. Also, it’s nice if you can change the length of a cable to suit your needs.
@@RabianskiT In your case, it is therefore wise not to opt for the Studio Display. Apple will release a new display next year. Maybe that's for you. That display will in any case be more expensive than the Studio Display, but it does meet your needs.
@@keesswier212 You’re right. I’m just disappointed that Apple made Studio Display such a niche product.
@@RabianskiT I don't know if this makes you any less disappointed, but a lot of people have a love-hate relationship with Apple, myself included. They make unbelievably beautiful products, but the decisions they make to take more money out of your pocket anger many people. Ultimately, Apple will lose if they continue this way of doing business.
I am super on the fence on this. I did order the Studio Display two weeks ago and it is supposed to ship soon. While I have been waiting, I have been checking out reviews and alternatives. On specs, there seems like there are so many "good enough" options (LG, Dell, etc). I did go out and have a look at those and in-person with my own eyes it is clear that there is a huge difference in monitors. Not that the alternatives are bad, but they are not that good. Plastic bodies and displays that are "okay". While cheaper, a close to $1000 display with not great graphics is disappointing. The Studio Display costs more, but it is a far superior product. I have and love the display on the new MacBook Pro (it is stunning!) so my eyes are used to really good displays. Hypothetically, if Apple did release an LED, blah, blah, blah (closer to the MacBook Pro display, but in 27 or 32 inches) I don't think I could justify the price. While there is a lot to knock, I think this display is going to be a perfect compliment to my workflow for music, photography and video production.
Did you end up keeping it?
Excellent review. I think you hit it on the head that Apple is prioritizing the Centerstage functionality over a sharper - but static - webcam. I’m not sure that was the best play on a non-portable device, tho. I love Centerstage on my iPad Pro because I can set it anywhere and the camera just centers on me. But a big 27" display? It is just always going to be planted directly in front of my chair. Who is using a Studio Display while cooking dinner or working in the garage?
Agreed. I could see the M1 iMac having Center Stage but the Studio Display seems to be more for pro environments, who are people that are less likely to want or even care about such a feature since they'll more than likely be working solo anyway.
To borrow a phrase from Brian Tong, it's a "bad apple" when Apple's charging $1,600 for a display with a "meh" web cam. That said, if the web cam was pixel and picture perfect and the adjustable stand wasn't a $400 premium, few if any would have an issue. In a perfect world the Studio Display would be $999 with a $400 stand option that has both height adjustment and rotation. Or charge $1,599 with all of that and $999 for a VESA-only option.
I don't often scoff at Apple's pricing schema because I believe in the value they bring over competitive products and while I have every intention of buying the Studio Display and a Mac Studio I'm not thrilled about the Studio Display's price. I feel like this is one product Apple could've priced lower and still made a killing on.
@@incredibilistic Many good points. Personally, I’m disappointed with this display. I guess, I will have to wait for Mini-LED versions (that will hopefully have detachable cable or mag safe power chord).
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@@RabianskiT I hope they don’t add MagSafe to it. I still use the thunderbolt displays and having MagSafe just hanging there doing nothing is mildly annoying.
@@SimonLYW I guess the standard detachable chord would be the best. No need to reinvent the wheel here.
I think there’s more people out there that would’ve paid 2k + for an all in one 27 inch m1 iMac. I’m one of them, I’ll pass for now.
And yet we live in a world where at least 80% of people still uses 1080p monitors
Because they don't sit 3 inches from their monitor to notice the pixels.
You should have mentioned what other monitors were worthy of consideration and compared them by price and features.
Other display ugly, apple display beautiful. There i did it for you.
Other displays better quality and better features for lower price.
There, I did it for you.
I've had the same 5K iMac since 2017 and I still think pictures and videos/movies look fantastic. Obviously not as good as a HDR display but at the same time I don't watch enough content that would take advantage of higher dynamic range tech. I'd rather see a higher frame rate than a wider contrast ratio. All in all, I love this display and it'll probably hold me over for another couple years.
The not-matching-display thing is REAL. Not even as much about iPhone and stuff, but putting your monitor next to your Macbook whne your monitor doesn't match the mac -- it does drive me bonkers.
Same! Which is why I think Apple nerds wanted this?
We run about 40 macs in our studio. The idea that Mac displays match is a total myth.
I fully intended to wait for a minLED Apple display, but today I weakened and ordered the Studio Display. It might have had something to do with me selling my 27" iMac, but then again, I fit that Apple user profile you talked about! 🤓
Why would apple release such a thing may I ask? XDR pro display is here for more than two years. You dont need to wait you can buy one right now
You don't get miniLED and HDR at Apple in this price range. You have to go to other manufacturers for that. If you like extremely beautiful minimalistic design, aluminum material and fantastic build quality, then Apple is the place to be.
Does the studio display work with other devices via usb-c converter? PS5, Xbox, PC etc?
Price is unjustified. The centerstge is pointless for a display that is going to sit static on a desk. Not sure what the point of having a A13 Bionic inside is (probably defective chips re being used here). Also, these studio displays cannot be daisy chained. You have to connect each individual display to each individual port on the Mac/MacBook. At this price, there are much much much better displays on the market. Extra 400 just for a stand to be able to tilt?? Unless someone is a die hard fan that only fancies Apple products, not sure how someone can justify buying this.
Do you know any Monitors with daisy chain functionality that work on mac? They seem rare. Plus, with 218ppi-Resolution there is unfortunatley no competition.
With the standard tilt-adjustable stand, how high is the bottom edge of the active display pixels? My 27" displays must line up across my desk!
Open space between the desktop and the bottom of the display? None of Apple's specs show this dimension. How can I know if I want the height adjustable stand if they don't tell us how high the standard stand is?
Wanted 120hz… especially at this price… might still get one. Really annoyed with the stupid power cable. There is NO reason to not use a standard removable plug. Sure, a MagSafe cable would have been cool but not strictly needed. D!€k move by Apple…
Same, I already canceled and purchased an Eve spectrum instead. It is not 5k, but it has a sleek profile and integer scaling.
Yeah just wack
I’m disappointed you did not mention Apple’s absolutely baffling choice to hardwire (except not really?) the power cable
I was waiting for this too. It sounded like it was a rush to get this video made after his Mac Studio review so maybe he just doesn’t know?
Technically it’s removable but there exists nothing on the market to replace it with.
Intentional ommision, everyone know why.
Nothing has ever compared to my 5k iMac’s screen to me…
None of my friends understand me.
I went 4K after my 5k iMac went bust and bought a laptop. Returned it right away and got the LG 5k.
Man I am disappointed that two studio displays don’t play audio together. I might cancel my orders 🥲
Might be able to do that with Rogue Amoeba software?
@@ReneRitchie definitely, you can combine multiple output sources with that software and use your keyboard volume controls as well as if it’s just one device
*Most professional film makers who are working in the day to day commercial, cable TV Network, and industrial/freelance sector don't work in an HDR workflow. HDR is still pretty much considered to be a (specialty) delivery - special order type of production. The majority of work is still acquired and delivered in a Rec.709 image workspace. Even at best, HLG is the prefered route, since it can be derived from Rec. 709 sources and re-processed by shooting in a special Rec.709 Log. This is why it's called (Hybrid) (Log) Gamma. You acquire in a standard Rec. 709 and produce and deliver a compatible delivery which behaves almost identically to an HDR Gamma Curve. The BBC in England do a bit of HLG since doing so looks great on traditional rec.709 and HDR screens alike 👌What pro editors and colorists look for in a professional quality monitor is (Color Precision), (10 Bit Color Depth), and (High Screen Rosolution of 6K). Soon, with the advent of 8K Broadcast TV, accurate 8K resolution monitors will become essential. 8 Bit color depth screens, simply cannot provide the color reproduction depth and accuracy commercial print and cinema movie colorists must have in order to do their jobs properly.*
@@shameermulji Yup. All I'm saying is this other Mac Studio Monitor isn't good enough to justify it's premium price tag. The Pro XDR (Apart from it's rediculously overpriced and not so great stand) Monitor is good enough.
I'd agree that the color calibration and sort of industry standard apple has established makes a difference. Not only does anyting I share on line look the same as I saw it on any other Apple device, but if I send a digital file to be printed at a professional photo printing shop, it is effortless. I just tell them 'm using whatever specific Apple display at factory calibration, and I get back a print on paper that color matches exeactly what I saw on my screen. That is a huge advantage.
Apple could have delivered value here but chose instead to deliver a display with a bloated price tag, particularly if you desire an adjustable stand (everyone).
@@mramg6038 It does not have a vesa mount, so you have to use the Apple provided one
@@jellyphase of course! WhatsApp,e excels at more than anything is kicking cult members in the ribs while they’re down.
Wonder why they couldn't do a VESA mount kit like they offered for the 2017 iMac Pro...
Same! Being able to swap would have been helpful
It seems that you actually can go to Apple store to get the stand changed for height adjustable or for the vesa mount.
This would have been a no-brainer for me if it had a standard HDMI input as well for a photo studio environment
Dongles.
The truth that is not being said here is that consumers asked for that half a decade ago… the monitor improvements to the 5K mac are the lowest bar Apple has probably ever strived to reach. No one is asking for older technology, I promise.
The justification that Apple nerds will buy this because they don’t want to own outside of Apple is also a lazy excuse, I’m sure Apple is expecting this monitor to sell to mainstream, treat it as such compared to the rest of the competition.
Some new (not new monitor related) features were added… that’s fine. One is a hit (speakers), one is a miss (webcam) and one is cool to have but also why, in the grand scheme? (A13 processor).
$1,599… an insane price for a bare minimum monitor revisit, with a few sprinkles of side tech.
It’s sad to even anticipate the mini LEDs market price if this is Apple’s low tier monitor.
A side note:
Trying to make consumers happy about their purchase, rather than lean into a product’s shortcomings at Apple’s price points, doesn’t really help technology get pushed forward.
Also, trying to convey that no matter the tech inside, you’re always going to want something better anyway, is another quick dismissal at an otherwise opportune moment to judge a product off it’s real value compared to what’s being advertised and sold to hard earning consumers.
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Nothing has changed in 6 years though. There haven't been any monitor improvements that would meaningful for this spec at this price. You still can't transit high frame rate over Thunderbolt 4, and at 600 nits, you're getting better HDR than many so-called HDR panels, and to get better you'd need OLED or Mini-LED which no one has marketed at 5K yet... so?
@@ReneRitchie respectfully, those are all constraints that I understand and do not know how to solve.
Apple chose to not solve those issues here either. So if they can’t because “current capabilities” then that’s fine but should charging $300 more for 2/3s of better features along with 600 nits be the answer?
Also, I can’t stress enough how the quality of that webcam, as it stands, can be included in the conversation of “look, they added more than just screen” to justify the price.
My larger question to this product is why does it exist if a better version from Apple is on the way soonish (according to rumors), and at this price point?
It’s overpriced.
The sad thing is that consumers will look at the Studio Display as a bargain when they see the “Studio Display Pro” and what it costs, bringing in the real features everyone (including Apple nerds) wants today not 5 years ago.
Which when looking at it from a sobering point of view, explains why the Studio Display exists. Just to see how far they can push it when keeping those prices high, and creating new product categories.
It’s not solely because “Apple wants to use premium parts and features” to justify their prices in this case, isn’t it?
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@@winky225 the better version will cost closer to $2500-3000 and $4999 😬
@Richard Gleaves Imagine if your argument actually held any merit to any of the consumer based complaints I’ve made. You might actually come off as someone with a valid opinion, instead of a UA-cam comment hater.
Nice to see people who still enjoy insulting other humans online, stay classy.
ASUS PA27UCX-K
Released in 2020
4K
HDR10
Dolby Vision
1000 nits
27"
True 10-bit
Hardware calibration
+500 local dimming zones
More expensive than the Studio Display when it came out. Now much cheaper and runs around corners with the SD.
Apple could have chosen to make something like this. They chose not to. Saying there has been no improvements in 6 years, is just incorrect.
Feels like they had the idea to build a quality mic speaker and camera in to a display which would compare to a dedicated one, then decided to cut back at the last minute so they had something for the Pro version
accurate colours are important for printing, I think you still need to calibrate your monitor with an external device that can then colour match accurately.
I think as usual Apple is probably using a LG monitor and made it premium.
How may one calibrate one's monitor with an external device?
+10 points for Babylon 5 reference.
$1600 for a monitor is just stupid. The market for one of these displays are high level professionals and people with more money than brains. I am so pissed that Apple axed the 27" iMac too... We're going to be in for a long winter until Apple fixes itself. This is serious Apple Tax. This monitor should be $1000. ... I just can't even...
Not sure what you mean by "high level professionals".
But if you think this or the XDR can be used for color critical Hollywood production, think again! They aren't even close!
this is my favourite video you've uploaded
Awww, thank you so much Patrick!
No actual HDR, non removable power cable, no stand swapping, no daisy chain…. The A13 does not use the airplay features… There are so many cheaper options. I really wanted to love this but for some audio and camera that I am getting from my Mac it’s not worth it
It's not even Thunderbolt 4, only 3. And no daisy chain. Ugh.
2:03, but 1440p gaming display will also offer pixel perfect picture without scaling issues (low res on the other hand, in comparison with 5k or else, is another matter)
You forgot to mention the fact that the power cable isn’t removable. Not a big w for user replaceable parts.
It is actually removable - it's just not designed to be *easily* removable. It requires a lot of force - Linus did it on his Friday stream "WAN Show" (he was willing to damage the device in his experiment, so he didn't hold back).
You can remove it.
2:13 A wild Dalrymple appears
I think they shouldve added an hdmi port so it couldve been used as just a regular monitor as well without thunderbolt. Also, given it has an A13 chip in it, I think it would be cool if they put tvOS on the Studio Display. It would make a cool little Apple Tv display to use from time to time and would have a nice level of integration between the color calibration, movies, and dolby atmos/spatial audio. Its interesting because at first I thought this display was absurd being priced at 1600, but now that Ive looked around at all the other displays available, it is difficult to find a display of the quality of the studio display at 600 nits at all. Most monitors top out at only 350-400 nits. The specs of the monitor don't jump off the screen, but if you've used one of the recent iMac displays(then add 100 nits brightness) you would understand how much higher quality those displays are versus the other monitors on the market.
@Aziz Rahman well that’s the thing I actually wonder - will an hdmi input actually work through an adapter. I get the feeling apple probably made it so it only works through thunderbolt
That fixed power cord, though… and the lack of real cable management.
And the lack of Thunderbolt 4 and the lack of daisy chaining. This thing is almost useless as a docking station.
Much better @Rene. Thank you for an excellent review. With that kind of content the promotion at the end is perfect. Well done.
Hello Rene. Maybe a stupid question, but here it is. I have a Imac from 2011 and a 5K Imac. After i bought the M1 mac mini, they are just kind of standing there. Is there a possibillity, and if yes how, to use the Imac's as just a monitor on the mac mini? Instead of buying the new studio display?
I think I might choose the more dollar savvy route and find a used LG Ultrafine 5k
Put your hands on one first. They feel flimsy in my hands, and I can't trust them to last.
@@Queldonus I wouldn't need to feel it after I vesa mount it lol. Every monitor I've used has been plastic. I'm currently on a 1440p Dell ultrasharp so it's an upgrade regardless.
@@Queldonus they seem to have lasted so far plus a fancy enclosure doesn’t mean anything in terms of internal component quality and long term usage
for some reason he was going in circles and made my head heart
I live too far from an Apple Store, and I'm really cautious and cheap about buying new equipment when I don't really need it. But my eyes are getting older plus my posture is getting worse by peering too closely at my small Air screen (which makes me look ridiculous on Zoom).
I ordered one from an Apple store, drove almost 2 hrs, and as I was waiting for my boxed monitor looked at the display model. Sold! (even though I already bought one). Christmas in March when I got home. Had to update to latest OS to get camera features to work, and I have to say the results that appear when viewing the Zoom video options look very nice.
Excited to get the monitor to the office and work today. Can't keep it in the house, otherwise I'd be here all day, every day. Beautiful screen at any resolution, full brightness is actually too bright, colors rich, speakers wonderful, and video currently more than adequate for zoom.
Not disappointed at all, and the cost is worth it for me and my older eyes.
i have HD Rin both my 2k LG monitors that also run in 4k as well on my mac m1s and my PC and they only cost me 328.00 each at walmart here in canada i also get 114 htz at 2k and 60 htz at 4k and on my pc these screens run native 165 htz 2k and i cant recall off hand at 4k and they can do 5k with the video card i have on my pc
Excellent insight as always Rene, really like how you make well balanced opinions with good arguments without sounding Apple fan at all haha. Great job. Cheers!
I ordered mine as soon as the orders went live and received the studio display a few days ago. I had been using the LG ultrafine 5K but really wanted a first party display that matches the build quality and design of my MacBook Pro. The studio display is not perfect and many of the criticisms are extremely valid but it does do what I wanted from a monitor. It provides a thunderbolt dock for my MacBook pro while looking amazing on my desk and having one of the best panels on any display for less than $2K.
I am sure the build quality is better than anything out there, but if I pair this with a Studio computer, I am paying a lot more than I would for an iMac. I will wait and see what they do with a higher end Mac Mini. I may go with that. I still think we will see a bigger iMac next year. The M1 Pro is plenty for me. I really don't need the Max chip
I don’t understand the single input, and being TB4 at that. If I want to use a Studio Display with two computers what can I do that doesn’t involve constantly swapping cables every time I switch between computers?
I haven’t found any TB4 switches, but can find plenty of DisplayPort or HDMI switches. It would better to have multiple inputs, but I could easily live with hitting a button every time I wanted to switch between machines.
What monitor would you recommend for photography?
The problem is the PRICE!
There are a ton of cheaper displays on the market, the people who wanted this type of display wanted this type of display and know the price (LG 5K UltraFine + better build quality/materials + Apple features via A13), no?
Why didn’t they use MagSafe for the power cord? Seems like they wasted time and engineering on a non user replaceable cord to increase manufacturing cost when they already had a solution for the M1 iMac.
My take of the Apple Studio display after 1 month for what it is worth. It’s probably the best monitor you can buy if you have a M1 MacBook Pro or a Mac Studio. If you can afford it, go for it. If not, there are good and cheaper alternatives out there but be aware that none of them will have the screen brightness, the build quality, nor the smooth and trouble free compatibility that comes with the studio display.
I don’t know. It costs more than an iMac and that’s a full computer with screen not being a $1000 worse. It would be cool if Apple had a descent $1000 monitor that could hook up to a Mac mini. It would be easier to upgrade and still have a pure Mac experience. But that monitor as is, it’s still over priced, and I get the criticism.
No thoughts on the non removable power cord? Seems like a glaring Apple design oversight. I mean what if you have a pet that like to chew stuff and gets at your cord now you have to bring your panel to an Apple Store 🤣
I'm happy I found this video! I bought an Apple Studio Display and a 2023 M2 MacBook Pro with 16-inch Liquid Retina XDR display. The whites on both displays are completely off: more red on the Studio Display, and more yellow on the MBP. When I compare with all the iPhones and iPads in the house, NOTHING looks alike. I'm curious: which Reference Mode are you using on your Studio Display? The default Apple Display (P3- 600 nits)? If so, are you using True Tone? If not, don't you feel like its D65 White Point is way too blue/red? If you're not using its default Reference Mode, which one are you using? Design & Print (P3-D50)? Photography (P3-D65)? Did you calibrate your Studio Display? If so, what device did you use? I bought the ColorChecker Display Pro, but I can't use it on my MBP because it's XDR! I've been living a pure 6000$ CAD nightmare for a month now. Please help! Thank you!
"From the company that made changing watch bands eight times a day a thing." You have no idea how much I hated myself for relating to this, Rene xD
what is the height/distance between apple studio display with tilt-adjustable stand bottom of screen and stand?
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Hi from Montreal!
If Apple could do mini LED for $1099 on the iPad Pro 11 months ago, why is similar technology unobtanium in Apple Displays about 16”?
I mean, I know the supply chain is off, and displays are hard to source at the best of times. I want the Studio Display to be for me. I’d use the features, maybe even remove my computer speaker system, desktop microphone, and janky phone-based emergency webcam, but the features of this panel are really getting me down, owning as I do a mini LED MacBook and iPad
Yeah, also scaling can be hard. Bigger OLED panels (not TVs, which use a different implementation) get issues with yield and consistency at bigger sizes. Mini-LED at 27-inches will take much more supply, and be much more expensive, than at 16-inches, at least for a good while
How does this compare to an OLED like the C2?
I seriously don’t understand people who expect a display at this price point to include HDR, MiniLED, and 120hz. Does this display REALLY cost $1599? Probably not, but if Apple included all the things they want in the ProDisplay XDR, it would be way more expensive.
It's because there are monitors currently out there that have better displays for cheaper price points than this. This studio display should at most cost 1k. It makes no sense otherwise.
@@codygaul3341 I'm not sure you could really find a better 5k display out there, even at this price point. I agree the display should be closer to $1,000, but you're also paying for more than just the panel; the A13 chip, 64gb of onboard storage, speakers, etc.
Great video. At some point we need to acknowledge Apple gets the most illogical, inconsistent criticisms that exist in tech. Not “worst build quality in the car industry” Tesla or even “I’ll rob you blind” Nvidia. Apple is criticized for not having the fingerprint reader on the 13 AND for having it on the SE. They’re dragged for the Studio display being too expensive by many who purchased the $200 cheaper LG ultra fine with arguably worse build quality, 60hz, bad speakers and darker. It goes on and on. Some people will never be happy with anything Apple produces.
You're pushing it too far..I'm an average apple guy, and I didn't like that the display is sold separately..I don't even have the separate lg version you're claiming most of us have(I have yet to see those that do have an lg version that are complaining about the separate display that apple just released)..I love the all in one, and would love to see that again with the new apple m1 ultra
15:00 - THANK YOU. That's the nugget I was looking for.. Cheers, Rene!
Eventually is it same or better than Enzo CG for re-touching and printing job? Thank you
Man GREAT VIDEO. Answered all of my questions.
Display is fine. It’s just too expensive for what it’s. Even for apple’s standards. You can buy a fully specced iMac for that money.
My biggest concern with this Display is the powerchord. My cats like to chew some cables.
Beautiful looking display, but with samsung QDoled coming (Alienware for start), that technology is already outdated at this enormous price
@Aziz Rahman Quantum Dot LED using only blue (largely) green and red, no white led. The new technology from samsung. First display out is the Alienware 34”. Brighter than oled without the burning effect, and still the deep black.
The lack of target display in the 5k imacs is so painful.
I think a big and fair complaint is lack of compatibility outside of the apple ecosystem.
The lack of other inputs or full support for Windows/Linux machines makes this monitor not only less flexible (even for users with multiple devices) but less sustainable as it requires users to have multiple displays for things like consoles or second machines, and will be less useful to non-apple users at the end of its life. This combined with the pseudo-non-removable cable really isn't a good look for apple.
It's the thing I dislike most with current apple. Theyre all for sustainability where it benefits them, but when it's people questioning why they need an M1 iPad AND an M1 Mac to run final cut and procreate, sustainability stops mattering. They're actively making products worse and less sustainable to facilitate their ecosystem
That's fair, although there are plenty of other displays that do that and this is what Mac nerds specifically wanted?
Stand should be magnetic so people can swap stands or vesa mount similar to pro display .
Would this work with a PlayStation or Switch?
It should work as a bare panel with anything that can output to Thunderbolt, but probably not as good for them as a 4K TV?
And my fussy, Mac nerd, heart, is quite pleased with my new studio display. Is it perfect? No. But it makes a beautiful companion to my XDR display, and now, my dual display setup looks gorgeous (and sounds amazing). Thanks for this review. You, obviously get it.
Oh wow, Studio Display next to XDR Display, what's that like?
A $1900 companion display to a $6k display and it is purely for the style and sOuNd… can you be my daddy?
@@ReneRitchie , like candy for my eyes. Actually, a little bit of a cluttered mess right now, as I’m reconfiguring my setup to include my upcoming Mac Studio (which still hasn’t shipped yet! Please, Apple!). Wish they had the height adjustable display in stock, but I had to go with what the store had, because I didn’t pre-order (was going to wait for the XDR replacement, but just got sick of my old setup). Since I swapped it out with my old Samsung 4k, everything is just working like it should. The windows don’t bounce around when I wake the computer from sleep. The colors between my MBP, Studio display, and XDR display are perfectly matched. I’m happy again. Wish I had HDR and 120 HZ, but I don’t really need those, I just love them. I needed a screen that matched my XDR, and this one fit the bill perfectly. And it just looks and sounds great. Just like I expected it would.
I'm hoping Ross Young is right and that Apple plans to introduce another 27" panel around WWDC time with mini-LED that isn't the Pro Display XDR, which would be 32". If Young is right, I'm going for the mini-LED after being spoiled by the MBP and iPad Pro. 120Hz doesn't make any difference to me since my eyes can't see it anyway and it's just as well since there are no display output standards that support 5K120.
@@Anonymous-vh9tc , I do actually do work on these screens. I do all things media related, including editing, color correction, live streaming, events, audio recording, film production and shooting. The pandemic shifted my business into a completely different gear. I have to turn work away, I’m so busy. This is the first time in my career that I have been able to afford these luxuries. I used to (and still do in some cases) buy my gear refurbished or used. I never had an Apple business account before last year. Don’t make quite enough yet to be a daddy to another person, got three kids and two cats that need me to keep producing.😜
Pretty nice, can’t wait for mine! Exited by the fact it can recognise hdr.
Yeah, Apple's been doing that since the 2017 iPad Pro. It's about as good as you can get from LCD!
Remembering the rumors from a few months ago, that Apple was planning a HomePod with a screen, I see this as a missed opportunity. If it only had the few extra componments (wifi, bluetooth, AirPlay2) then you can use it as HomePod even when your computer is off. It could even have been a FaceTime machine.
What about the nano texture?
What I wouldn't give for a 24 inch Thunderbolt 4k display with daisy chain capabilities. Or for Apple just to enable DisplayPort MST...
power cable fixed to the monitor. I am the niche market for this but i am afraid of buying one. I have a separate compute for big screens as the XDR display is too expensive and i hate using my mbp because of the scaling ( that sucks on mac os in general )
The problem to me is that i see only 2 kinds of review: who loves no matter what and people who hates this. I see no informative, real usage scenarios review. I guess i will wait to see for myself.
no word on standard vs nano-texture... which one to buy?
Here is my dream monitor:
1) 32 inches, not 27.
2) 120 Hertz pro motion.
3) XDR & OLED.
5) Just ok webcam & speakers.
Agreed
As someone that does like being in front of cameras or taking pictures I could care less for web cams on monitors, laptops and smart phones. Speakers on any monitor are just a joke. So it's a no sale for me.
That's pretty much the Pro Display XDR, right?
Panasonic Plasma Screens had a 600 hertz refresh rate. We need to bring those days back. I remember watching movies on that and it was so nice.
So how good is this display against LG’s 2022 C2 42 inch OLED Monitor?
You put a 42in display 2ft in front of your face? Does your neck hurt?
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu nop that 144hz 4k OLEd glory made my neck straight
This is actually really bad, I was kinda hyped for this, but 5k is the only feature of this monitor, you get a high quality 4k one and it outclasses this display in any way and you can use a vesa mount and have a removable cable + HDR + 120Hz + etc.
Still for many people its all about resolution. 163ppi (for example 4K LG 27") is simply way beyond 218 ppi (Apple Studio Monitor). In the end 5K is almost double the pixels of 4K.
@@oliver.n278I'm sorry, but it doesn't matter how many more pixels you get on your screen. You get a roughly 20-25% higher puxel density vertically and horizontally. And that's what your eyes see. So very negligible difference!
could it be used with my nintendo switch?
Thanks for the thorough explanation.
If you make it, they will whine.
I'll wait for a Mini-LED version, I hope Apple continue releasing models.
Same! And Same!
Thunderbolt 4 supports Displayport 1.4. and 120 Hz for 5K displays fails solely due to the limitation of the currently possible bandwidth of Thunderbolt 4 or HDMI 2.1..
accurate colours are important for print, I think you still need to calibrate your monitor with an external device that can then match printing documents
They did this to kill the cord on purpose. They expect that when it starts to fray like the apple iphone chargers, where it frays at the soft to hard joint, people will just buy a new monitor. They are trying to install a life expectancy into their products so you have to replace and rebuy new stuff.
Apple should’ve included the MagSafe cord, but How likely is it that the cord will be damaged. Almost no chance of that happening and if it doeS, it can be replaced by Apple. This is a non issue
@@codechannel528 The non-removable power cord makes it much harder to move the monitor if the cord is, say, zip-tied to the desk. With a normal monitor, the user can unplug the power cord, move the monitor, and use a new one at the new location. With this design, that becomes impossible. I agree that power cords rarely fail, but, in this case, the design makes the product unnecessarily inconvenient to use, with zero benefit for the user.
The review I've been waiting for...
Ha, thank you! What would you like to see next?
@@ReneRitchie Max Tech did an interesting head-to-head comparison of the Studio Display with the LG 5K and concluded that the differences were more than just the 600 nits. Everyone is seeing the Studio Display as essentially the 'same panel' as both the LG and the 27" iMac but I'd be surprised if Apple is resting that much on their laurels. So I'd be interested to see a head-to-head comparison on how the Studio Display actually looks when directly compared to a recent 27" iMac?
Keep up the great work.
At last, a Mac commentator that not only knows what they're talking about but has on-point insight 🔥
Wow......what an offering with nebula. Thanks pal! Nice work on the review too! I have had two 5K Ultrafines myself. Went to an LG OLED. Kind of too much screen for me. Not sure where to go from here. I love me an XDR if the price gets cut in half.
tldr: it's expensive for what it is, but at lower prices, the demand wouldn't be manageable
I don’t understand the 2x resolution thing entirely. I get what upscaling is and how it works, but I don’t understand how it applies to MacOS and 5k monitors. Do you have a video explaining this?
Do you mean the display has integer scaling? Other monitors like the Eve Spectrum have that, so I don’t know why a 5k screen is necessary.