Bachmann BR Class 20 | Unboxing & Review
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2024
- My review of the fairly impressive Bachmann class 20 in 00 gauge!
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0:00 Introduction
3:34 Unboxing
6:37 History
7:50 Detail
13:24 Mechanism
15:18 Performance
19:52 Load Testing
24:09 Ratings
27:03 Conclusion - Авто та транспорт
Sam: "I'm not sure why they've decided to re-tool this one"
Also Sam "The RRP will be £40 more than the previous version"
I think you've answered yourself there
Lol
haha, cynical but probably accurate! ;D
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It does not have working lights, the re-tooled one will have working lights, and Sprung Buffers
Powerful 5 pole motor with twin flywheels
Interior Cab Lighting
Directional Head and Tail Lighting with Day/Night modes
Lighting can be controlled by easy-access switches or via DCC
Speaker Fitted
Equipped with a Plux22 DCC Decoder Socket
for quite an old model, it's rather stunning, that mechanism is something all top quality models should have!
I agree with you - definitely!!
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Would be interesting to have them running together as a comparison if only to see if the new tooling is worth the extra.
That would be very interesting Mick - I'll see if I can do that! :D
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I bought one over 10 years ago with sound. Never serviced it and it still runs brilliantly.
Wow! That's impressive Simon, glad to hear that!
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i remember my brother taking me to Skegness from our home in Leicester the train was hauled by a pair of class 20s and i always remember my brother telling me that they were nicknamed choppers and to this day when i see the odd class 20 in service with direct rail services it brings a lot of memories back might have to get one of these Bachmann locos it looks pretty good
Ahh fantastic - I would have loved that! I can recommend it - they're decent models! :D
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Thanks for the vid, this was the last 3 rail engine my dad bought for me and I had forgotten all about it but when you lifted it up I had the strangest touch memory and it all came flooding back, a bit amazing really. I’m old enough to remember Binns Road and visited there on 2 occasions with my dad. Keep up the good work.
If they also sold an unpowered 'dummy' that you could couple nose-to-nose, there would be room for a BIG speaker in it :-)
That's what DCC is for, and sound and big speakers arn't everything are they?
That's true though - an unpowered dummy would be fantastic to see - could be much more cost effective, given the power of a single unit!
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@@mikeking2539 the big speaker might be to hide the noise
@@turokforever007 Iol OK I'll give you that,. Yes they do make a bit of noise don't they!
@@SamsTrains In real live they did mostly run in pairs with the cabs at each end they could also do that with class 25s
Great review, Sam, and outstanding camera work. Many thanks.
Thanks so much Dave, really appreciate it!
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After 7 months of watching your content, I have finally decided to make my own model railway. Thank you so much for helping get into the hobby!
That's amazing - really hope you enjoy it!! :D
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Many thanks Sam, really enjoyed the review. Class 20s are my favourites too. It would be lovely to see what you think of Bachmann's new release.
Thanks so much Mike - yes I'm a fan of these too! Can't wait to see Bachmann's new ones!
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Wow, I’ve been rooting for you Sam to get to 100k, telling all of my friends about your channel so they can subscribe. Well we’ll done . I’ve been as sub since 19k, but I always knew you’d get to 100k well well done you deserve it
Thanks so much mate, I really really appreciate your kind support!! :D
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I’ve got the same loco with DCC and sound even with the sound disabled mine isn’t nearly that noisy. The class 20 is a great loco for the price!
Your experience is the same as mine. Great DCC Sound fitted loco. Acquired mine as a first step into DCC with the Whiskies Galore train pack.
@@peterwalker6535 Ha!, Same here. That set really is a no brainer for people starting DCC.. Quality locomotive.
@@eaglesfly5236 That's strange - some people have said the same, others have said theirs are noisy... wonder what the deal is!
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@@SamsTrains Try playing around with the tension of the screws connecting the chassis with the body shell. Sounds like some sort of resonance between the chassis and the body. Otherwise, check by running the chassis on it own ...
Great review Sam. Have been thinking about getting a Class 20 myself so would definitely be interested in seeing how this one compares to the new tooling when they're released. I'd heard that Bachmann updated/upgraded the chassis on these a few years back and now they're retooling the body to match that standard and make use of the lights, etc. Not sure if that's true but might explain why they're redoing it 😃
Thanks for sharing mate - yeah definitely look into the new ones too, for sure!!
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Another interesting video Sam. I have two blue and two green class 20's all Bachmann. Thank you Sam 👍🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🐖🚄🚅
Thanks so much Mark - wow that's pretty awesome, bet they look great together!
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They worked mainly on freights coupled with the cab ends front & back to improve visibility. They appeared at Devons Road 1D to work cross London freights. Many were on shed at Toton 18A MPD and were a common site in pairs on the leeds - Bristol mainline. Tinsley 41A MPD had a regular allocation. Information supplied to help modeller allocations.
Thanks a lot for sharing Leroy, that does make sense!
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Hi Sam ! Great video, I recently found an old Hornby Inter-city 125 at the back of the shelf , it had not ran for a year and when I tried to run it sparks flew and smoke poured out so I dismantled the motor and cleaned everything then re oiled it , I also found something called Autosol metal polish and I cleaned the metal clips that held the gears and springs in place, the motor looked like it was fresh from the factory and ran like a sewing machine!
Thanks so much - and that's great news, amazing what a good service can do!
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Fantastic review Sam and I have seen a video of the class 20 doing the Polar Express event on the Severn Valley Railway.
Thanks so much Ryan - ooh really?! Why did they use that?!?
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Another of one of those fantastic Bachmann Diesels. Great video Sam
Thanks a lot Sam! :D
I really like this, I have a dublo BR green one. Its not the best at being quiet but it is very old. This is a very nice review Sam!
Ahh no worries... those are amazing machines, far more powerful even than this! ;D
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Nice one Sam. I have been on a class 20 hauled passenger train. Back in the 80's and early 90's I used to travel to Skegness a couple of times a year. The trains from Grantham to Skegness were nearly always DMU's, mainly class 114's, but on Summer Saturdays you would get some loco hauled relief trains, normally class 25's or 31's, but on one occasion we got 4 Mk2 coaches hauled by a pair of 20's
Thanks Jon, that sounds grand! Thanks a lot for sharing - were they comfortable? :D
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@@SamsTrains no more or less than say a class 25 haul, a bit noisy maybe, but not as bad as a 37
Well, this is an interesting looking engine. I didn’t even know class 20s existed before this video lol. So far very interesting video! Keep up the good work ♥️
Thank you! Yeah they are lesser known - great things aren't they?! :D
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@@SamsTrains :D
One of these class 20's was used on the 007 film Golden Eye and was dressed up as a Russian military train. Looked pretty cool.
Awesome model Sam! Very successful diesels indeed! Preserved example, D8188, was dressed up and used as the train in the James Bond movie, Goldeneye! Also, the preserved example that belongs to the National Railway Museum is the first one ever built!
Thanks so much Ryno, yes very much so! That's epic, I didn't know this!
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I would love to see someone create a model of the class 20 in its Soviet Russian disguise with carriages from the Golden Eye film
Great new video .Thank's very much.
Thanks so much Dave! :D
Another great video Sam. Just imagine what a pair of Bachmann 20's could pull.
Thanks so much Peter - I know, it'd be mind blowing!
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Great review Sam, got a factory sound fitted Railfreight domino headcode model with light kit installed.
Works perfectly fine, but does have some noise as well. At least I can turn the sound on to hide that...
That sounds wonderful (pun intended) - I'd love to try one with sound!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great review Sam, Ive just got a 2007 version bnib and it makes that slightly odd noise even after running in. Fantastic in every other way though for the price
Great Review. I like the class 20 it was one of the early BR diesel successes. It looks better in the original green. When at Toton 18A MPD I once asked a locoman what he thought about them and he replied that you never got to drive a pair that could perform equally and one was always better than the other.
Thanks so much Leroy - yeah I agree, probably better in the green! I'm amazed to hear that - so the variation in model form is accurate then?!
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My favourite is London transport maroon class 20's they look great
I lived by the North London line at Gospel Oak when the first of these turned up one morning - D8000. A strange new sound, very loud horns, no yellow panels yet. They were allocated to Devons Road shed (1D) which was mostly Jinties and a few North London Railway 0-6-0T which were used for dock shunting.
A few of them went to France and worked between Auxerre and Autun in Burgundy, where they were painted in a gold livery.
It would be good if there was an unpowered one available as they so often ran in pairs nose-to-nose.
16:29 maybe they put a failed attempt at natural sound in? Great video.
haha that's true - it does sound a bit diesel-ish!
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Hey Sam! What do you think about buying the newest class 20 from Bachman and comparing it with this one. That would be fun.
Cheers from Poland
I would love to - we'll see if I can afford it! ;D
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Hi Sam I’ve got 2 class 20’s , a Lima 20 and a Bachmann 20 and I’ve never heard anything like that before , my Lima class 20 is slightly noisy nothing like your 1.
If it’s making a noise like that my advice would to take a further look at it maybe it’s something to do with the motor.
Finally it would be nice to see you review the brand new retooled class 20,would be nice to see what have bachmann have changed.
Keep up the great videos
Many thanks
Steven
Hi Sam, another great show. My 2 Bachmann class 20 make the same noise. Both run well.
The 20's passenger work was mainly Derby - Skegness, Leicester - Skegness, Burton-upon-Trent - Skegness (noticing a theme here, Sam?) Birmingham - Skegness, Sheffield - Skegness and rarely Leeds - Skegness summer Saturdays. Oh, and to break the theme, occasionally piloted Class 47's on Glasgow - Stranraer boat trains.
Very interesting Robert, thanks a lot for sharing this with me!
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Hi Sam. For what you paid it seems pretty good value but I can see why it is in need up upgrading. Tempted by a bargain one though with half an eye on a future venture into the garden...none of my old diesels have lights anyway 🤷🏻♂️
Have a great weekend mate! Finally finished my power box so I am hoping to do some testing tomorrow morning in the garden 😎👍🍻
Thanks a lot Tim - yeah absolutely, clear to see why they decided to upgrade this one!
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Yet again. A splendid review. I got my repaired rocket back today from Hornby, it runs better than ever. The video of it is now on my channel
Thanks so much mate - ahh fantastic, that's very good news! :D
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I wonder if you noticed: That is the same type of motor that your LMS 10000 has (90° turned and without the dustcover)! I'm really curious if Bachmann gonna keep using it in the new one too?
BTW if u like similar locos you might want to take a look Heljan's class 15 and class 16 - nice details, working lights, for less money than (this) 139 GBP (not sure about the mechanism but on the reviews it runs well) - !
In ref. to your comments my own Bachmann class 20 (code 32-029 purchased new in October 2005 for £ 37)also makes the same noise of "grumbling" at slow start, no change there then! but it's one of the best runners I have in my own collection and after some 17 years running still going strong. Yes I would be very interested to have a review of the latest version when available. As always thanks for your honest views you give.
Thanks very much for sharing - yes that's right, odd noise but otherwise superb performance - no complaints from me overall!
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Boco
Sam, a mention of Lionel N scale for Christmas was surprising. But likely just non working ornaments to collect or hang from the Christmas tree. Such is the attraction of the brand in the US, people praise them much more than anyone else in the world. Hope the UA-cam link added below does not get suppressed as it seems to be the trend now.
UA-cam vid to judge the standard of Lionel N
ua-cam.com/video/WQEtCyeQ8_4/v-deo.html
Unless there is a better working version not on UA-cam.
I have two of these, one with sound and one without, that noise is certainly only your model mine are silent. I use them to pull 20 tankers up a gradient and to pull the track cleaning set up which has a lot of resistance. Works really well. Surprised they are re tooling.
Thanks for sharing Richard - great to hear yours are silent, I've had many comments citing that these are noisy though, so it does seem to be a recurring issue. I agree though, overall still great models!
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Hi sam ive had mine for a few years and it’s always made that noise i find it entertaining but it hasn’t damaged anything over the years so I think it’s just something vibrating
Yeah mine's the same, I think it's just quite a thick rigid body with very little clearance from the mechanism , seems to make less noise under load and I think it's improved over time, my most reliable and trouble free engine
Ahh interesting - very glad it's not just me getting unlucky again! Performance seems okay - definitely doesn't seem to be a problem there!
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hi Sam i believe the reason for re-tool is to represent the present day modifications that they received for mainline workings
Interesting. I might look out for one of these on the used market as some folks upgrade to the new model, it looks good enough for me.
I have a Heljan one but never been happy with it.
I'm mainly a steam guy but anything up to 1960 is on the possible purchase list.
Nice review as always Sam 👍
Thanks a lot Gerry - that's a good point, no doubt plenty of second hand ones will be coming! I never knew Heljan did one - very interesting!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Oops they probably don't.. Mine's actually a Lima one. Sorry bout that chief
You're quite committed when it comes to reacting to comments i give you that!
Thanks so much - I'm doing my best - they're getting a bit much at the moment though!
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@@SamsTrains i appreciate your effort. Great videos keep it up man. I'm enjoying it a lot. Especially the experimental videos. Great work!
I really love to see the diesel and electric trains! Maybe something in O guage? Either way I love your videos and reviews, they're a perfect accompaniment to my time at home during lockdown so thank you!
Thanks so much - I really enjoyed this one too! Good idea - I'll look into that for O gauge!
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That looks really cool, great video 👍
Thanks a lot Jelly!! :D
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Have fitted a Roads and Rails Double I-phone slim speaker to a sound version. Massive improvement to the sound and of course would not hear the noise from the gear train.
Nice review Sam.
I’ve got a new one on pre-order, so I’m hoping it will be a good one🤞
The one you’ve just reviewed isn’t bad for the price you paid I guess....., but no lights!
Cheers John b😷
Fantastic - do keep me posted - hopefully it suits your needs!! :D
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Nice review! It’s such a great loco. I’m Getting both the 20/3 & the new green 20 soon looking forward to them... it’d be interesting if you did a comparison with the 20/3 or 20/0
Thanks a lot Ryan - that sounds epic, let me know what they're like! That would be interesting - I'll see what I can do! :D
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Best pulling train i ever got, its a little damaged now after years of use but its still 1 of if not my favorites of my engines I'd love a closer look at the Lima 20's I've a diorama that's required a few diesels in bits, don't fancy chopping up Bachmann body's but if the limassol look good enough I may use them.
I got a Bachmann Redstripe Railfreight 20 with same characteristics. Good runner, but noisy in the cab forward direction only. My ambition was to pair it with another class 20 and let it run bonnet forward in the pair. Got 5 x Lima Class 20. The Lima Class 20 was one of the best Lima models.
Yay Class 20 love your reviews.
Thank you! I love the class 20! :D
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wow nice video sam keep it up
Thanks so much Fred! :D
i have been waiting for this :)
Thank you! Hope you enjoy it! :D
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For those of you interested in the history of where this loco came from check out the history of BR North British Loco 10800 circa 1950
Thanks for sharing Leroy, good stuff! :D
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It might be the physical age of your loco (or it was a Monday Morning build) my dad had one on his layout bought in the mid 00's and was a fantastic DC runner. Once warmed up he could leave it crawling with a train for hours on a run with elevation changes, it was quiet and was consistent. it was usually a game of when visiting him trying to guess which tunnel it would appear from, as he would set it going and leave it while tinkering with something little more problematic. He did add the code disks to hide the moulded lights though.
Thanks for sharing Les - yeah you could be right - maybe some are just better than others!
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I have a BR blue one of these weathered and it is a nice looking model I only had one issue which was the side cab glass fell out and I had to remove the cab to refit it.
Uh oh - did you manage to refit it okay mate??
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That thing sounds like the LBSC Thomas. I would love to see you get the new class 20. Great video
haha it does actually, lol! Me too! :D
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Along w the 37, a fave diesel of mine. I’ve seen some weathered models and they are really good looking. Love the BR green livery on a diesel too. Brilliant mechanism, why use anything else?
Very glad to hear that! Yeah I can imagine these looking 100% better with some weathering!
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The Class 20's really are amazing machines. Once the real things got newer liveries they just refused to show their age. It's still a pretty impressive model. On a model railway layout people would probably struggle to tell how old it really is in the distance. It's devoid of some more modern features of course but if the best of it lives on in the new tooling it'll be very impressive. I definitely want to see you review the new one.
Hi Sam I have a 0-6-0 Austerity that squeaks when I run it and I oiled the bearings and the moving parts but it still squeaks so I just ignore it and hope that the more I use it the squeak will go as a result of the squeaking I have nicknamed it "THE SCREAMER" Or "THE SQUEAKER" but on the other hand it still runs
Thanks for sharing Lewis - that's a strange one, did you try a tiny drop of oil on the motor bearings??
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I've watched your video with interest as I own the Locomotion Models 2015 version, produced for the NRM. It is the old tooling but it looks and performs well. As far as I can see the only real difference of mine from the original is the number (D8000) and maybe some minor livery alterations. My model is also sound equipped. I have the new Bachmann D8015 on order and it will be interesting to see what difference the new tooling makes. One improvement will certainly be lights on the new model. I await your review in due course !
Very interesting Geoff, thanks for sharing!
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I'd really like to see a comparison with the new one.
Yeah me too, I'd love to try it! :D
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hi sam. good review. a powerful little number. and nicely finished despite the 20 year old tooling. pity it has a growl and not quite there on the crawl. did the flywheels begin doing their job after the run in? or did it still do a hard stop?
Thanks a lot - yes amazed by the power of this one! No the performance didn't change too much with running in - might give this a service some time, see if that makes a difference!
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Hi Sam I just got the ROD dean goods with the railgun and I love it
Ahh fantastic - that's an amazing train pack! :D
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I think the main reason for the new one is to incorporate lights and more functionality for DCC . I’ve got a blue one and it runs well for me . Not noticeably noisy for me . Wont be parting with £189 for a new one though .
I have.....4 Bachmann Diesel's I bought last year and they make a growling sound like that on your class 20 in various levels, they quite up some once broken in.
I almost wonder if its the drive gears being a bit tight or something involved vibration from the motor and wires as some pointed out.
At the price you paid from TMC it is OK value. I might go for one while they are still available. The Lima 20 wasn't that bad really apart from odd gearing that made it lurch forward when starting and a tendency to throw traction tyres. Never found this to be a problem with other Lima classes so not sure why.
Hi I have 2 Bachmann class 20s from about 10 years ago and mine have finer windscreen wipers and a more detailed grill over a separately fitted fan. If you blow on the fan it spins.
Very nice Darren - that's interesting - wonder why that varies between them then!??
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I got one of these recently and they are good for the tooling age
I agree with you Meggie! :D
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Hi Sam. Sorry to 'call you out' on the cab, but it seems to be at the rear of the loco (cf steam locos) with the drivers' seat and controls facing forwards. So, to run in the opposite direction, the drivers would need to have their back to the controls; how does that work (somehow not the same as running a steam loco in reverse!)? Flywheels? The loco seemed to come to a pretty quick stop!
Despite it's price and age Sam, a fine loco from Bachmann....Thanks for another excellent review....Bob
Yeah I agree Bob - done much worse than this in the past!
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Hi My old bachmann 8pin dcc class 20 is nearly silent and very good slow speed. Also bright red fan and very fine mesh grille. Perhaps a little bit of cost cutting over the years..?
I saw a BR Green Class 20 at the Severn Valley Railway but it am not sure if it is still there because it was back when I was 6 years old I'm now 16 I will be 17 on November 8th so I'll have to wait a few months until then but that's not important. keep up the informative and inspiring/relaxing videos cheers. Lewis : )
Ahh cool - I wonder if it's still around today!? Thanks a lot mate,
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@@SamsTrains I hope so too as it would be nice to get a look inside the Cab or even get a drivers experience on the footplate
I have a 2004 class 20, I have a blue one, it has round metal buffers, also it has red fan in the top,, the cab still the same, excellent runner, silent
This loco is pretty cool in those colours, yellow and lighty-dark green, now that's a good combo. The Ratings I completely agreed with and it's at a good rating as well. Will you do a Live Stream on next Monday as well as this Sunday?
Thanks so much Paul! No the live stream will just be Sunday! :D
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Ah the class 20, noice to see you cover these, they often ran them backwards because the nose was stupidly long and drivers couldnt see. They used one of these in Goldeneye as the spooky evil villain train with the explosives on it or whatever it was x3 If they were slightly taller it reminds me of the Combine loco from Half Life 2. I'd like to see you get the new one to do a compare/contrast type review if you are able to could be pretty interesting to see ^-^
the class 20 nose was not stupid as the loco was based on a steam loco with a cab at one end..the drivers could see out just as they could driving steam locos like the evening star,
@@petersmith4455
Bloody good answer. EVERY steam loco was the same!!! Think about the 'real' steam train driver!!!
D8188 was used in Goldeneye. It was filmed at the Nene Valley Railway, near Peterborough.
haha thanks for sharing - yeah that's a good point actually... not as bad as a steam locomotive... but once used to diesels, this would be pretty difficult to drive! ;D
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Yeah you should get a new class 20, and Great review Sam
That would be interesting - I'll see what I can do! :D
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Hi Sam
That noise sounds the same as my two Bachmann Deltic class 55s
You will need to remove the driveshafts and check the ends for plastic flashing on the connecting ends,
The quality control here is really poor,
Trim them up so they can engage properly at the fly wheel end, some grease and should be good,
If it had lights you wouldn't bother upgrading it
Nice model
Very interesting, thanks very much for sharing, I'll definitely do that!
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Yes, definitely, im up for an comparison with the new bachmann 20
Awesome King, I'll look into it! :D
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Speaking of pulling power...
Any chance you might review the Athearn Genesis Big Boy 4014 in it’s promontory version to compare its large power with the class 20?
Rails of Sheffield do have them in stock and it could help make up for the missed opportunity of reviewing the Rivarossi Big Boy 4014?
I'd love to - I'll look into it one day!
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Hi Sam! been watching your videos for a couple of years now, but not commented before. I have a Bachmann class 20 I bought almost 10 years ago, it’s quite different to this one. For one, mine has a separately fitted roof fan and the wipers etc are a lot finer! Do you think Bachmann are cheating out with later releases? 😬
By the way the newer Bachmann controllers actually do have circuit breakers the LED light will dim when something is shorted You should also try the Hawthorne/bachmann Controller
Great review keep it up :)
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Hi Sam, I'm not really into diesels - just have two on The AnneliesVille RR - but this would be a good 'shunter' on DCC without sound for the motor makes enough noise. Yes, an investigation is justified ! All in all this loco is not worth a penny plus. Bachmann is just insane with the new prices. In that case it needs be perfect quality even with all the tooters and bells! But for Chinese made ... very doubtful ! Thanks for sharing & greetings.
I’m getting myself a DRS liveried one of these soon, I hope it performs well! :)
Ooh fantastic - hope it's good for you! :D
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Hi West London Railway I hope you enjoy the model
@@lewiscartwright3609 thanks mate :)
@@EthansTrains your welcome
I remember buying the bachmann class 20s for about 40 quid. Im only a spectator when it comes to the hobby these days. The prices are quite shocking now, even taking into account inflation.
Great video I love the bachmann class 20
Thanks mate, me too! :D
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Not half bad loco,
I would say its sad to see it go but maybe new one will be better (or it better be better) so i reckon Sam intends to review the new one too for comparison? at least thats the idea i feel implied by the opening.
Which gives ME an idea a versus series of locomotives in similar price range doing similar things from different manufacturers example: a short powerful locomotives such as terrier vs something functional similar (yes even same ones from different makes make sense).
There’s also the same sort of tone from Pitchford Hall, which is a 2003 model as well!! Mine will have to be oiled before its next run as she’s had several months off the line!!
Ooh interesting! Thanks for sharing! :D
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@@SamsTrains glad to be of any assistance I can, Sam!! It’s good to help other modellers who think there might be something wrong with a very expensive model!!
Awesome video Sam when are requests for running train opening again
They're open now on the stream - it's £5 to submit one via superchat, and I'll see that they're done! Thanks so much for the support :D
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Mine is growling too. That is the only noticeable drawback I have with her. Hope they will fix this on the new model. I tough it was a problem when I get mine running for the first time.
In six monthes/one year, this would be a good deal as a second hand model.
As is, a decent model, you can tow trains with her and she works fine. Let's see what their new model looks like... As usuals, the price is skyrocketing from a generation to another with Bachmann.
Thanks for sharing Oliver, quite a few people have said that too! Yeah overall very pleased with this - a very able puller!
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With the new diesels in railroad range I might try get a diesel layout. Could you review the 47 and 37 from hornby rr?
Ooh awesome - sure, I can look into those! :D
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Live the class 20, I'm mainly a steam fan, but the 20 is something in the 80s went to Skegness on the train, because they used to be pulled by double headed 20s
Thanks a lot Michael - yeah I'm with you there mate!
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I'm still waiting for someone come out with a class 20 tool of D8188 as she was in Bond: Goldeneye, mocked up as a Soviet armored train! D8188 had a steel nose cone, wheel skirts, and one-inch armor plating fitted ; she pulled two mk2's, same armor, one of which housed a computer database, and the other a missile & helicopter. Scenes were filmed at Nene Valley :p
That would be awesome - quite a risk though - wonder if anyone would take it?
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@@SamsTrains Good to hear from you, my friend. With the relative ease of making plastic & 3D printed parts these days, I hope that a third party or parts manufacturer might be able to offer a kit for it one day!
It would be interesting to see a comparison between the Bachmann BR Class 20 (2003 tooling) and the re-tooled version of that locomotive, if the time and the budget allows for it on your part. If not, I'd understand why.
That would be interesting - good idea!! :D
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@@SamsTrains You're welcome Sam.
I bought the new Hornby Railroad Plus GBRF class 20 the other day and was very pleasantly surprised! Runs very well, looks good etc. Probably on par with this model, but a bargain at £65 for a new loco!
Ahh very nice - glad to hear they run well, I've never tried one with the Hornby mechanism!!
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Sam what's the best 45? I watched them go when I was small, They hauled massive trains across the rout from Manchester to Leeds
I'm not sure about that - I've only ever tried the Bachmann ones, which are decent but a bit basic these days!
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hi sam. i just cant get over the prices bachmann charge,with this loco running on the track are we going to notice the differences between the two ?or is it a ploy to charge more ?.i wish bachmann steam engins ran as well as thier diesel ones do.cheers tom
Thanks Thomas - yeah the new price certainly sets some very high expectations - only time will tell!
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Last week I took the weight out of a hornby cl73 for a second. The body felt so light immediatley afterwards, I felt scared to put the weight back in.
Ooh really?? I don't think I've done that with mine before!! ;D
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I have an old Bachmann 32-028A BR green Class 20 with indicator boxes which does have a red roof fan. Runs a lot better than the Lima ones with 4 traction tyres.
Ahh very interesting - wonder what the deal is with the roof fans then?!
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