The old bachmann one still stands up. But it's always nice to have an updated version. I remember when vi trains released the 37. It was decent in its own right. But if companies are going to flood the market with a class of loco, the class 37 is the one to have lots of variety of. The prices though. I remember paying £50 for a bachmann class 37 and less than that for the vi trains one. The prices these days are why I only watch videos like this rather than partake in the hobby
@@robbiegrant5729 Bachmann has been updating their back catalogue for a while now. They've re-done their class 20, 24, 47 and 158 to very high standards recently and the class 25 is coming soon. They also re-did their Warship not too long ago, and improved the tooling on the class 40, 44/45/46...though these could have done with a full re-tool to be honest.
@@christopherstokes9393 Absolutely, I still have every intention of doing the cab glazing correction mod on the 37/0 I started before this one was announced. I'm also keeping the Accurascale pre-order in place. Having said that, if Bachmann produce one in the livery and variant I want I'll happily buy it over a SH old tool one though, unless Accura beat them to a split box Dutch one. Sam seems to have a bit of a duff one if its struggling like that, the 430 I have doesn't have any torque issues. I took it to the club today and ran out of stock at 56 bogies and it still has enough grunt for more; same as the class 47 vid I uploaded a few months back.
I’m hoping that Bachmann will end up upgrading some of their other locos, as models such as the Hall, Jinty, B1, Standard 3, 4 and 5 and several other models need a few upgrades and definitely a new chassis. Then there are the V1/3 and Ivatt 2MT Tank, which need a new body but have had the chassis upgraded, and other models such as their Peppercorn A1, A4 and 9F could probably use a complete re-tool. That’s just my opinion though…
The fact that they've done 430 has tempted me to order one, as it was my favourite 37/4 and the only one I've actually travelled any sort of distance behind. My bank balance is feeling a bit sore now, after the pounding it's just taken! Thanks for the review, keep up the good work.
Worthy of note is that AS use a helical cut gear set inside the bogies. This usually results in a much smoother gear train with less friction in operation.
So sorry to hear about your Dad my friend, hope you and your family are doing okay. Really glad this video could make you feel a bit better :) Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Excellent review as always. The pronunciation of the name of the class 37 is CUMBRAN (CWMBRAN). A Welsh town in South Wales just north of Newport on the Bristol Channel. A fantastic place for steam locomotives during the mining era. This is not far from Dai Woodhams scrapyard who saved many steam locomotives for preservation. Thanks Sam.
Bachmann have also retooled their 20, 24, 25 and 47. So it is not surprising they have retooled the ubiquitous class 37. And Accurascale are also releasing the later privatisation area 37/4s with detail differences including plated over side windows and front end lighting differences, so the new Bachmann 37 is an as-refurbished condition 37/4 which Accurascale haven't actually modeled yet.
It's funny I was going thru old photos from my childhood (born mid 70s) last night & found a pic of a Class 37 hauling a passenger service we were travelling on. Don't know location we went everywhere by train as lived in NSE region & dad worked for BR so we had free travel everywhere, God I miss my priv card I used to go to station as a teen & travel all over the place just because I could. Anyway serendipity found a Class 37 last night & now this, spooky. Also found a photo of a train with a cinema coach too.
Hi Sam! I agree two models of the same class so close together is a bit of a waste, but it should introduce a bit of an "arms race" and hopefully see us with better quality and better value models overall. It of course makes for some great content as well ;) With all these super crisp detail models coming out recently, have you considered 1440p or even 4k for your vids? I think most people are viewing on something at least 1080p now and even watching 1440p on a 1080p screen makes a big difference thanks to youtube compression.
I don't think it will hurt accurascale class 37 as it has already sold out and they are on about releasing a 2nd run I think the price has a lot to do with the price of the accurascale compared to bachmann which is significantly dearer.I also believe at the moment Bachmann have no plans to cover the BR green era so I will stick with my order from accurascale
(May 27, 2024) Rails is listing the Class 37 at 259.99 GBP with DCC sound, 169.99 without DCC. Accurascale themselves list them at 283.00 and 189.00 respectively.
Bachmann has also been close to the chest on their American releases. They announced the streamlined n scale k4 Pacific about a month ago and now it's here.
Interesting that Bachmann were able to keep this secret. I wonder if that's because they already had all the drawings - etc - that they needed. If Accurascale decided to produce a new Inter-City 125 - which would be good! - they would have to go to the NRM to measure the preserved one (etc). You can guarantee word would get back to Hornby. As you say though, the price of this may be a mistake. An obvious reason for people to wait.
Good review , will you be reviewing the Accurascale 37?? I agree with you in part regarding 37 production. Bachmann revamped their 20s & 24s, I bought them because of directional lighting so revamping the 37 is die?? Heljan have produced a 47 & 45 which I think 🤔is okay but ho-hum. Now the Heljan class 02 is great and I'm getting 1 of those. What will Bachmann revamp next?? Watch this space....you should do a survey and see what others want to see revamped or created?? Cheers 🍻
Its a stunner of a model, but as you say the Accurascale model could well pip it depending on what lessons they have learned from the Deltic. I won't be cancelling my Accura 37 pre-orders any time soon, but I have succumbed and bought the DCC sound (not deluxe) version of this model as it is a simply stunning rendition of the Welsh 37/4s I remember very fondly on the sprinter replacement services of the late 80s and then the North Wales Coast trains out of Crewe through the 90s into the early 00s. I have to admit, a big bugbear of mine is working cab lights when a locomotive is in motion. Having been in a fair share of different class cabs in hours of darkness at various preserved lines, running with the lights on is a recipe for big problems as you literally can't see outside, meaning that signals (especially old semaphores) are very easy to miss. Safe to say I hate working cab lights unless the model is stationary or pottering about on shed, in service though is a HUGE no no.
Another point to consider is that Bachmann have been re-tooling their older back catalogue models to a VERY high standard in recent years having done the class 20, 24 and 47 plus the 158 DMU in the past year and the class 25 coming very soon. With that in mind, the big question about the 37 is more likely 'why not sooner?' rather than questioning whether its directly a result of competition from Accurascale. Another point to consider is Hornbys latest class 31 pricing, which makes this brand new 37 look a bargain!
Very thorough review that highlighted several things I wouldn’t have noticed. The old Bachmann 37 is a gem of a loco and for £130 would have a real place in the market to appeal to modellers wanting a nice loco on a budget - there are plenty of us. £210 for this loco compared to the old one and Accurascale’s at £170 is a crazy price. The 47s were pitched at the same price and they are now being discounted to £180. You do wonder if they are taking on Accurascale because they obsoleted the Bachmann Deltic and didn’t want the same for the 37. Not very grown up - they should have done another loco class.
Looks like a very very good model, there is something very robust and even rugged about the 37,you can See why so many were produced, a real workhorse. Looks like Bachman have a superb model of to match the original. Like most modern locomotives it is very expensive, so I can't see me being able to afford it any time soon. Really good and enjoyable review Sam take care Eddy xx
Excellent model. In particular, the mechanism is outstanding - to the point where models that previously got 5-star mechanisms likely won't any more, because they won't measure up to this. I agree that the £75 difference in RRP (vs. Accurascale's model) is eye-watering. Even if you consider retailer discounts, a difference of almost £40 seems like a lot. However, there are two further caveats that I would add: 1) The Accurascale price (£169.99) was announced in 2019, before COVID and the supply chain crisis hit. I'm not sure how sustainable that price will be for them in the long run. It's great that they're honouring that price on existing orders (unlike a certain red-box manufacturer beginning with H); however, I won't be surprised if they raise the price for the second batch. 2) The Bachmann model is a known quantity: you can pay £208.20, know exactly what you're getting, and get it immediately. By contrast, all but one of the Accurascale Class 37s are showing as "Sold out on pre-order", and the people who have pre-ordered don't know what they're getting (the Accurascale 37 looks like it'll be a sensational model, but until the first examples are delivered and reviewed, we won't know for sure). You have to choose whether to pre-order or not - and either way, you're taking a risk: either you pre-order the model (and risk it not being as good in reality as it sounded on paper), or you wait for the next batch (and risk a price increase). But if Accurascale deliver a top-quality product, and they *don't* increase the price for future batches, then Bachmann will look a bit silly!
For Bachmann Branchline’s Fall 2022 announcements, I was hoping for a from the ground up retool of the Gresley A4 or the GWR 57XX or Hall class or the LMS 3F Jinty.
hi sam.. i got to hand it to bachmann on this model..it is close to be a perfect model...very user friendly. hope the buzzing sound goes away after the run in..this could be my first bachmann..
Missed the live on Sunday but caught up afterwards, I've purchased my first set, I went for the Valley drifter set which was £70 on amazon, I've bought my first extension too and will pick up the rest as and when I can! Cant wait to get to the full making of everything! Not sure what loco to go with tho, the valley drifter isn't a powerful engine but a good start!
I do applied Bachmann for the quilty of how it looks how its easy to get to the bearings and how the body is screwed instead of clipped the wiring for the body yeah that could be different but thats fine but the part they still need work is the price point of 245 pounds (double that for dollars) if I had that much I would go for the accurascale as its price is less then the Bachmann one
With Deluxe sound, advanced weathering, D6710 was 279.95245 GBP less VAT = 233.29GBP. My shipping to US was 22.50 for a total of 258.25 GBP. At today's exchange rate of 1.00 GBP = $1.27, cost in dollars was $327.98. (Generally speaking, shipping to me is about equal to the VAT deduction for most items of locomotive pricing.)
As for the lights, there at the beginning of the video, you did take the instructions out and there was a bit about some switch settings for the lighting, I believe. Maybe the cab interior is set for DCC, rather than analog?
Nice model . Yep I think you are right though , completely fails on value for money . Your having to pay the Kader premium . Will wait for the second tranche of the Accurascale model as I think the first tranche is already sold out, in any case they haven’t modelled any of the variants I want . I know it would be expensive Sam, but would be really interested in what Accurascale and Bachmann sound locos sound like on DC . I think they still work whereas Hornby ones need DCC
Hi Sam. One of your most fascinating reviews, especially when drawing comparisons with Bachman’s previous 37 and the Accurascale Deltic. Agree with most of your sentiments though, as regards your ‘conspiracy theory’, one of my old bosses once told me: ‘People think what happens here is 90% conspiracy 10% cock-up whereas it’s more like 90% cock-up, 10% conspiracy’. Would be interesting when they’re released to see you review the Dapol and Accurascale Manors where the price differential is the other way around.
The accura and Dapol Manor RRPs are the same, despite the accura having twin speakers and a stay alive and more features and a fully die cast chassis, running board and boiler
The opinion on the forums (I know a dangerous place) is that there were enough built and they cover such a broad time frame the market can take 2x 37 models and there will be plenty variants too. That being said, Bachmann today literally announced the exact same model as an Accurascale one 🤦
Bachmann: Can I make a new tooling of the Class 37? Forums: To cover the different versions built across a broad time frame? Bachmann: Of course! Forums: Okay, go ahead. Bachmann: [Actually just make the same ones as Accurascale]
I've also seen Dean Park's review of this, and he brought up a few other points on this. - Apparently the old version of the 37 was out of scale in a few key areas, and this meant it looked slightly off to people who knew the design well. This has apparently been connected with the retool. - Underframe details is apparently now more prototypical. - NEM sockets have been moved forward and can now be removed if desired (say at the front). On the downside it means the NEM snow plough no longer fits probably, despite the paint work. - Don't think he saw the slow down you saw, but he was running DCC not DC. Nice balanced review from you though. Just picked up a new Bachmann FNA nuclear flask wagon, are you going to review these? They are a bit pricey, but look good, and no one else makes them. Not had a chance to run mine yet though.
Hi, Accurascale make nuclear flask wagons, they are amazing compared to the Bachmann models, £149 - £159 for a pair. I saw an old Bachmann advert where their nuclear flask wagons were £29 each, they are now £50 - £60 for the same item.
@@StormmyStormmy Fair comment. Accurascale make the KUA, which are used to transport nuclear fuel from submarines. What I meant was no one else makes the FNA wagon, which were commonly used at Nuclear Power Stations for fuel transport up till 2018ish when they were replaced by a new version (think revolution trains are designing these ATM). As for second hand, I looked at these, eBay wanted nearly £45 minimum bid (with p&p). I therefore decided that buying new at £50 was probably best, plus I need I fairly urgently for a project.
Sam I do believe that you are right in having your suspicion of Bachmann's 37 release, although you have very cleverly disguised your beliefs. One question that's resin from this is why British models still have couplings attached to the bogies and not the body? Maybe you can find out ? But like you, I'm very interested in seeing Accurascale's 37 which I'm very excited to get my Hands on soon. Keep up your great work 👍
As a US modeler of UK railways, I want the couplers on the bogies. Look at some of the videos of longer locos, like the 37, on a Radius 4 curve (22.5" radius) and consider that overhang coupled to a wagon, and you'll probably see a wagon pulled off the track if the couplers are body mounted. You can just see this if you slow the video down and watch it at abut 30:03. Unfortunately, the buildings blank the worst of the curves. At 38:56, you can really see the difference on these Second Radius curves. Note how much of the coach end is exposed. (That also illustrates why direct reverse curves are not suggested). This is similar to why the big articulateds, i.e.. Challenger and 4000, have the couplers on the front engine, not the body, as the overhang is awful.
My word, she’s a very impressive and stunning loco Sam. Easily getting on par with the better continental makes at this price point. Same models from different manufacturers is common place in the US and EU. Shops here will easily show comparisons on YT between 4 to 6 makers. Traxx locomotives are a good example; a selection of at least 4-5 manufacturers with the same livery; ACME, Brawa, Märklin/Trix, Piko, Roco. For the ICE-4 we could select Märklin/Trix or Piko. Each with their own distinctive advantages and disadvantages in features, details and price… Real competition should be welcomed. It does trigger the dynamics of wanting to do better than the other on certain aspects. It's how the world turns Sam. Does it entail not looking at other brands anymore after a certain experience of a manufacturer? No, of course not, it’s a dynamic world. We have chosen Piko for a ICE-4 and a Traxx from Roco as modern stock. This is an impressive loco Sam, and it would be great having more choices. You can line them up and compare one day. Cherio and Ciao.
I'm a bit puzzled by the cab lights not working on Analogue, given that Bachmann's Class 85 electric does have working cab lights regardless of whether it's on DC or DCC.
Working cab lights on analogue control is representing something that would NEVER HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE. Train drivers are instructed NOT to have the cab lights on when in motion (with the possible exception of some slow shunting movements as it adversely affects their ability to see signals. As such Bachmann may have decided that working cab lights under analogue control is not a feature they wish to continue with following feedback from proper modellers (who care about accuracy rather on whether their toy has lots of gadgets)
Very cool Sam :) and I have some suggestions maybe you could review some Hornby and Bachmann diesels such as the class 47 and the class 55 deltic diesel and maybe some Hornby diesels with TTS sound cheers :)
Great review sam glad you done this one as I have 4 off the older ones which im very happy with, Bachmann have drawn a bit of blank on this one, look forward to the accuriscale review 👍
Love Class 37's I've got a Hornby one of my own, love this new Bachmann casting and I'll sure see you again soon 😉 Thanks for the Upload, Regards Zeke:)
I would say the upcoming release of the Accurascale 37s prompted Bachmann to release theirs a lot sooner. But if they are able to do that then i don't see why not. I suppose we'll just have to see what Accurascale comes up with.
Very surprised that you would get one of these Sam especially with the price, to me it’s fantastic and I definitely would pick one up, if I do get one in the future I might look for a large logo one because this version you have looks fantastic.
We know from how Hornby operates that manufacturers don't like it when another company takes one of their staple products - and we also saw that when Hattons made their Class 66 as that is another Bachmann product. It is frustrating to see this when there are other trains that have never been made or have no recent tooling but we have to remember that this is all about the business - they have to know their investment into tooling will produce a product that will sell and also keep their existing staple products relevant. Sometimes competition can be a good thing for the customers with price drops but with the product specs being similar, it's a shame as we often end up criticising one company because of another. It was looking good before when we had 3 different class 37 options - hornby (cheap), bachmann (mid range), accurascale (brand new). With accurascale 37s still not here and also sold out, Bachmann will benefit from getting theirs to market. Again, that's business.
I hope for more variety in the coming years because the last 2 and a half years haven’t been kind to humanity, especially with my life, your life and the business.
@@mytinplaterailway It is that way now based on price. Before this new version from Bachmann, their previous offering should have been the mid range one price wise.
It is a shame really because I can't afford both versions of the 37s, as I would like to be able to make a comparison between the two. I'm afraid my money will go to the Accrascale ? model. The 37 has to be my favourite UK diesel locomotive. I've even had a go with a real one
My theory is that Bachman retooled one of their most popular models to put it in line with their as popular class 56 ( or whatever model was first to have a deluxe trim ) I believe they did it to put them on the same level
As Matt says ,I too have a Bachmann 37 I brought from hattons brand new in 2005 for £39 still running just a clean and oil it’s been on my layout 17 years to me it looks great although this batch red strip railfreight they said the cab look odd ,I too have an accurascale deltic bit bits falling off has made me cancel my 37 I think fir the extra I’ll buy the Bachmann Mary queen of Scot’s and hopefully have piece of mind it won’t deconstruct it self
When you say bits falling off, was it just the tiny detail parts that like most locos, should have been in the accessory bag, or has it physically fallen apart and doesn't work any more?
@@mccarronfamily no it’s just the detail but why do we have to put up with it would you buy a car if little bits fell off but it still ran you but a product and not expect to glue parts back on ,anyway let’s leave it at that
@@marksinthehouse1968 I agree, and I'm sure accurascale will have learned from their first UK model, and the forthcoming models will not have the small details attached
Before watching this I will say that the Bachmann 37 is bullet proof. Have 14 and never had an issue. Not so with Bachmann 66 but I love the 37. Will I buy the new one?. No way, too expensive so I will grab a second hand one and check out the Accurascale one.
An interesting model. 37's should be powerhouses and shouldn't really be phased by 10+ coaches imo. Also, regarding the cab lights, it's realistic not to have them on whilst running. It's the same as having an internal light on your car on whilst driving. So, for analogue, I do get that. I do feel that it was a tad generous to give 5 stars to a mechanism which doesn't seem to have any flywheels. The RRP for accurascale's 37 with full sound is only around £20 more than the RRP of Bachmann's bottom of the range 37, with no sound, so there's that to consider value wise. It will certainly be interesting to see what happens in the future. Excellent review as always 👍
Hi sam Hope you are well? Not my cup of tea But full respect to bachmann for retooling the model with some great improvements Yes your right Bachmann could of retool the J39 jinty or n class or gave us a brand new announced loco Keep safe arp
An excellent review Sam. I have an AS class 37 on order and like many are fed up with the lead times, however despite the GLOWING reviews posted elsewhere the new Bachmann appears to be less than it should be and very expensive. A proper head to head is going to be very very interesting 🤨
Hi Sam, just started my venture into 00 gauge layouts! Currently have an old Hornby panier tank and a cheap 0-4-0 railroad range loco. My question is what bigger loco would you recommend I look into purchasing next? I have no era in mind and I don’t care if it’s steam or diesel, I just want it to be “bigger” and of some visual quality. Can’t wait to hear from you, Best Regards Aaron
Butting in here.....Go diesel. If buying new I'd suggest a Dapol class 68 (or possibly a Bachmann Class 66, but look around as prices can vary considerably!). WARNING! This hobby will quickly empty your bank account, now and for ever more!!! I'm butting out now! :)
You rated the Bachmann 37 from two years ago at 9.19 -- the 6th highest rating of 40 locos reviewed over the last 3 years. This one, with less pulling power and a huge price increase, finds itself way down at 31st place out of the 40 reviews.
Last comment 👍😃 the "turning wheel" in the cab is in effect the ''handbrake" which is what the little chains are for on the bogies. As far as I know they work the linkage to apply the brakes
The chains on the bogies stop the bogies from getting away if the loco derails (in real life). The chain-activated hand brake is more of a US loco thing.
So my two cents on this is that you need to look at the wider picture. There are only a handful of locos that could support two manufactures. The class 37 is very much up there. 70+ years in service and every livery under the sun. Plenty of double heading and they get everywhere. It'd be a bold claim for even a single mile of track in the UK to have never seen one. Almost every layout can justify them and they are incredibly popular with enthusiasts. Bachmann was already developing the class 47 new tool before Accurascale came to market with the Deltic and the 37 was the obvious next target to update with similar technology. I don't think this was a cynical stab at Accurascale unlike the Rails Terrier saga. The release schedule lines up well with the Class 47 last year being the major retool and this being this years. It was due for a retool anyway with the tooling being quite old. Ultimately, neither Accurascale or Bachmann will lose money on their investment and each has it's own merits. The Accurascale guys have already completely sold out of batch 1 before it's even landed. Batch 2 looks set to get some upgrades with a working fan and should be even more profitable as the tooling is paid off. I doubt Bachmann's examples will remain on the shelves long and neither will Accurascales batch 2.
That being said why oh why are bachmann doing 37043 as well in the same livery... ...would have been so easy to pick a different name in the same condition for double heading (i.e. people could have bought both).
In some ways, having two companies with the same model could be good for pricing. Competition is good for consumers as it usually brings prices down. Well, that's the theory anyway. I don't see it as a waste of resources when it is two different companies releasing the same class if it promotes competition. Unfortunately that does not seem to be the case in the Model Railway scene. The prices seem to just keep going up. I guess these are designed for DCC more then DC. Flywheels are not so important on DCC as it can be programmed to slow down and speed up realistically.
Great review Sam! I have one of the older Bachmann 37s and as you say it's great. This model looks even better - stunning in fact but what a shame that they appear not have got the easy bit right, the performance. So frustrating when the mechanism gets five stars and the performance at £240 is rather poor, there is really no excuse and something that Hornby seem to do all the time. I have one of the Accurascle 37s on order and if it runs anything like the two Accurascale Deltics I have then I shall be very happy. I will be happy to buy one of the new Bachmann 37s but would be looking for a very discounted price with that performance.
Honestly, even if Bachmanns model isn’t as good as acurascales, honestly they have brand loyalty on their side. There are people that stick to brands almost blindly. Like Hornby, I just happened to be on their website, and saw some reviews of the railway children 4f, and they were all 5 stars, which means either those reviews are fake, or I think some people may be blinded by brand loyalty. One of the reviews mentioned “Hornby’s usual level of precision.” For one of the airfix era models?
I purchased the Rocket Mail Train from Hornby and they asked we to write a review. I submitted one rating it four stars and it never appeared on their site. The model has 99 reviews and they are all five stars. Suspicious
I prefer the Bachmann over the Accurascale at the right price. With Bachmann you know you're getting a quality and reliable mechanism, but Accurascale is new to the game and I think they prioritise detail over running.
Watching your review of the LBSC H1 4-4-2 I couldn't help noticing that your SR coaches didn't look very modern. In fact they looked positively ancient. Can I suggest the purchase of some Maunsell coaches would be appropriate with Pullman corridor connections, buckeye couplings and era 3, 4 and 5 SR and BR(SR) liverys. Obviously as the SR organised their coaches into fixed sets because their business was based on passengers rather than goods it would be good to buy coaches that could be formed into sets. This is easily done as Hornby did put the set numbers on the end of each set. One of the most common sets were made up of 3 or 4 coaches. However some sets had upto 8 coaches and Bullied and BR MK1 coaches were also formed up into sets. These sets remained formed up for many years. If you get a chance and have some old Hornby catalogues you can probably find some coaches on eBay that will make up some sets. I have made up quite a few sets (nearly 20) in 4 years. These include Push-Pull sets and non-corridor coaches. There are 5 Bullied 3 coach sets, 3 BR and 2 SR. The coaches are reasonably priced from £30. The set numbers are 965, 967, 968, 972, 973, and are made up of BTK-CK-BTK Bullied 59ft coaches that Hornby introduced in 2018. Here is the list of these sets with the coach running numbers. Those with S at the start and end of the running number are BR sets and those without the S are SR sets. 965 2845 5711 2846 967 S2849S S5713S S2850S 968 S2851S S5716S S2852S 972 S2859S S5718S S2860S 973 2861 5719 2862 I have those 5 sets as some of them were my first purchases. I hope that this gets you started. Bye from Ian.
hi sam, how many class 37s do we want ? why not make a loco that no one else has like electric loco 20003 of 1948 built for the southern region, it was a Bullied/Rawth design also known as a booster loco
@@SamsTrains yes - so its right to the prototype. Trains are required to display one or more white lights at the front and a red light to the rear. When a loco is hauling a train it should NOT be showing red lights on the rear of the loco! - the red light indicating the 'end of train' is mounted on the last coach / wagon or on the brake van of unfitted trains! If the loco had its tail lights on to then there is a danger (particularly in the days of unfitted trains) where a signalman might see the locos red lights and think the train had passed when in actual fact it had become divided somewhere which in turn could cause another train to be signalled into the back of the detached wagons. The ONLY time the red lights should be lit on a loco is when its running solo (or if it is the rearmost of several locos coupled together). Similarly when locos are running double headed then the white lights at the leading end of all locos other than the front one are turned off because they are not at the front of the train. Therefore the switches Bachmann have fitted are there so as to allow prototypical operation of the locos for analogue users. As I have pointed out in another thread it was not permitted to have the cab lights on while on the move so Bachmann are 100% correct not to have them as a feature under analogue control.
If direct competition can make both companies make better models for more reasonable price (yes i realize the price of this very loco has peen pointed out as too much, i mean when Accurascale releases that might motivate more comparable price from Bachmann). I do not mind competition infact i hope it will be very good indicator of what each company can do, yes i would like generation 1 steam locomotives (Coalbrookdale, Locomotion ( NOT a Kylie minogue song one ), Rocket, Puffing Billy etc.) to have more models i also realize those might be more nieche, diversifying model range into engines not yet made is something i consider a good idea if only for preservation of accurate dimensions tho i see some would be less popular than than stars, like how many people would want separate planet and planetee models?
a snow plow that fits in a nem coupling.....i'm literally looking at my five LNER W1's right now and thinking of this: *"MY W1's need snow plows damnit!"* I live here in the states, so I will definitely be buying a few of these Class 37's just for the snowplows to be able to be fit to my LNER W1's from Hornby.
Hmm. I have the Bachmann class 37 'rail celebrity' with factory sound fitted. A regional exclusive model . Can not see how bachmann could have improved on it as its deffo one of my best runners. I love her to bits and would not trade her for the world. Great video Sam, but will not persuade me to go out and buy one. :)
chains on bogies..... meanwhile at Hornby headquarters: *"WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN! WE NEED TO FIT OUR NEW CLASS 66's WITH THESE CHAINS ON THEIR BOGIES LIKE THE REAL THING!"*
I do think while the Bachman model looks great it could have done better with possibly some crew to fit into the cab and having it dcc fitted as standard, I do like it tho even with its extreme price
She certainly looks the part, doe the cab light up on DCC do we know?. If she was priced around the £180 to £200 mark id snap one up, but maybe a bit out of my price range at the moment.
You reviewed the previous bachmann 37 less than two years ago. You rated it 9.19 -- the 6th highest rating of 40 locos reviewed over the last 3 years. This one, with less pulling power and a huge price increase, finds itself way down at 31st place out of the 40 reviews.
Hello Sam, I hope you are doing well. I saw on Rapido's website yesterday that that are taking expressions of interest to determine whether they'll produce a version of their WR ’15XX’ 0-6-0PT locomotive in a GWR green livery. I mention this as something that you may wish to include in your next installment of Model Railway News on the off chance of your not having been aware of it already. They say that their order book closes on the 1st September, so if you did chose to report on this, it would be logical to do so in the upcoming August edition. (Whether you do mention this in that episode or not is of course entirely up to you, but I'd just thought I'd let you know incase you weren't previously aware. As it is I don't know how you're able to release such quality content at such a rapid pace, so you're bound to miss something when it comes to the news sooner or later...) It's always a pleasure to see a new video from you, and I wish you all the best. Cheers.
The old bachmann one still stands up. But it's always nice to have an updated version. I remember when vi trains released the 37. It was decent in its own right. But if companies are going to flood the market with a class of loco, the class 37 is the one to have lots of variety of. The prices though. I remember paying £50 for a bachmann class 37 and less than that for the vi trains one. The prices these days are why I only watch videos like this rather than partake in the hobby
Soo right why don’t companies design or update other locos
@@robbiegrant5729 Bachmann has been updating their back catalogue for a while now. They've re-done their class 20, 24, 47 and 158 to very high standards recently and the class 25 is coming soon. They also re-did their Warship not too long ago, and improved the tooling on the class 40, 44/45/46...though these could have done with a full re-tool to be honest.
Yeah, the old one still stands up well. It doesn't stand up as a premium model any more - but at the right price, it still has its place in the hobby!
@@christopherstokes9393 Absolutely, I still have every intention of doing the cab glazing correction mod on the 37/0 I started before this one was announced. I'm also keeping the Accurascale pre-order in place. Having said that, if Bachmann produce one in the livery and variant I want I'll happily buy it over a SH old tool one though, unless Accura beat them to a split box Dutch one. Sam seems to have a bit of a duff one if its struggling like that, the 430 I have doesn't have any torque issues. I took it to the club today and ran out of stock at 56 bogies and it still has enough grunt for more; same as the class 47 vid I uploaded a few months back.
I’m hoping that Bachmann will end up upgrading some of their other locos, as models such as the Hall, Jinty, B1, Standard 3, 4 and 5 and several other models need a few upgrades and definitely a new chassis. Then there are the V1/3 and Ivatt 2MT Tank, which need a new body but have had the chassis upgraded, and other models such as their Peppercorn A1, A4 and 9F could probably use a complete re-tool. That’s just my opinion though…
The fact that they've done 430 has tempted me to order one, as it was my favourite 37/4 and the only one I've actually travelled any sort of distance behind. My bank balance is feeling a bit sore now, after the pounding it's just taken!
Thanks for the review, keep up the good work.
Worthy of note is that AS use a helical cut gear set inside the bogies. This usually results in a much smoother gear train with less friction in operation.
This video is really gonna lift my spirits. Thanks for being so...you. My dad passed yesterday from cancer
Sorry to hear that
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Sorry to hear that.
So sorry to hear about your Dad my friend, hope you and your family are doing okay. Really glad this video could make you feel a bit better :)
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
You take care❤
Excellent review as always. The pronunciation of the name of the class 37 is CUMBRAN (CWMBRAN). A Welsh town in
South Wales just north of Newport on the Bristol Channel. A fantastic place for steam locomotives during the mining era.
This is not far from Dai Woodhams scrapyard who saved many steam locomotives for preservation.
Thanks Sam.
Bachmann have also retooled their 20, 24, 25 and 47. So it is not surprising they have retooled the ubiquitous class 37. And Accurascale are also releasing the later privatisation area 37/4s with detail differences including plated over side windows and front end lighting differences, so the new Bachmann 37 is an as-refurbished condition 37/4 which Accurascale haven't actually modeled yet.
Bachmann doesn’t make 37423 or the 37/6s with Wipac lighting, or the magnetic roof panel which makes DCC fitting easier than ever
Great review, i have the older 2005 Bachmann 37 and finally fitted the snowploughs at both ends and what a big difference it makes 🙂
It's funny I was going thru old photos from my childhood (born mid 70s) last night & found a pic of a Class 37 hauling a passenger service we were travelling on. Don't know location we went everywhere by train as lived in NSE region & dad worked for BR so we had free travel everywhere, God I miss my priv card I used to go to station as a teen & travel all over the place just because I could.
Anyway serendipity found a Class 37 last night & now this, spooky.
Also found a photo of a train with a cinema coach too.
Hi Sam!
I agree two models of the same class so close together is a bit of a waste, but it should introduce a bit of an "arms race" and hopefully see us with better quality and better value models overall. It of course makes for some great content as well ;)
With all these super crisp detail models coming out recently, have you considered 1440p or even 4k for your vids? I think most people are viewing on something at least 1080p now and even watching 1440p on a 1080p screen makes a big difference thanks to youtube compression.
I don't think it will hurt accurascale class 37 as it has already sold out and they are on about releasing a 2nd run I think the price has a lot to do with the price of the accurascale compared to bachmann which is significantly dearer.I also believe at the moment Bachmann have no plans to cover the BR green era so I will stick with my order from accurascale
(May 27, 2024) Rails is listing the Class 37 at 259.99 GBP with DCC sound, 169.99 without DCC. Accurascale themselves list them at 283.00 and 189.00 respectively.
Bachmann has also been close to the chest on their American releases. They announced the streamlined n scale k4 Pacific about a month ago and now it's here.
Interesting that Bachmann were able to keep this secret. I wonder if that's because they already had all the drawings - etc - that they needed. If Accurascale decided to produce a new Inter-City 125 - which would be good! - they would have to go to the NRM to measure the preserved one (etc). You can guarantee word would get back to Hornby. As you say though, the price of this may be a mistake. An obvious reason for people to wait.
Good review , will you be reviewing the Accurascale 37?? I agree with you in part regarding 37 production. Bachmann revamped their 20s & 24s, I bought them because of directional lighting so revamping the 37 is die?? Heljan have produced a 47 & 45 which I think 🤔is okay but ho-hum. Now the Heljan class 02 is great and I'm getting 1 of those. What will Bachmann revamp next?? Watch this space....you should do a survey and see what others want to see revamped or created?? Cheers 🍻
Its a stunner of a model, but as you say the Accurascale model could well pip it depending on what lessons they have learned from the Deltic. I won't be cancelling my Accura 37 pre-orders any time soon, but I have succumbed and bought the DCC sound (not deluxe) version of this model as it is a simply stunning rendition of the Welsh 37/4s I remember very fondly on the sprinter replacement services of the late 80s and then the North Wales Coast trains out of Crewe through the 90s into the early 00s. I have to admit, a big bugbear of mine is working cab lights when a locomotive is in motion. Having been in a fair share of different class cabs in hours of darkness at various preserved lines, running with the lights on is a recipe for big problems as you literally can't see outside, meaning that signals (especially old semaphores) are very easy to miss. Safe to say I hate working cab lights unless the model is stationary or pottering about on shed, in service though is a HUGE no no.
Another point to consider is that Bachmann have been re-tooling their older back catalogue models to a VERY high standard in recent years having done the class 20, 24 and 47 plus the 158 DMU in the past year and the class 25 coming very soon. With that in mind, the big question about the 37 is more likely 'why not sooner?' rather than questioning whether its directly a result of competition from Accurascale. Another point to consider is Hornbys latest class 31 pricing, which makes this brand new 37 look a bargain!
You can switch the cab lights off.
A gorgeous loco this one. I myself have a Bachman 37/0 37251 in BR blue that my grandpa and I Will soon run on the layout when it’s complete.
Very thorough review that highlighted several things I wouldn’t have noticed. The old Bachmann 37 is a gem of a loco and for £130 would have a real place in the market to appeal to modellers wanting a nice loco on a budget - there are plenty of us. £210 for this loco compared to the old one and Accurascale’s at £170 is a crazy price. The 47s were pitched at the same price and they are now being discounted to £180. You do wonder if they are taking on Accurascale because they obsoleted the Bachmann Deltic and didn’t want the same for the 37. Not very grown up - they should have done another loco class.
Probably be some very good used models around soon too if not already
Looks like a very very good model, there is something very robust and even rugged about the 37,you can See why so many were produced, a real workhorse. Looks like Bachman have a superb model of to match the original. Like most modern locomotives it is very expensive, so I can't see me being able to afford it any time soon. Really good and enjoyable review Sam take care Eddy xx
Saw two 37s today a WCR one and DRS 37422 Victorious in York Parcel sidings, they use class 37s with network rail test trains as well as HSTs.
Excellent model. In particular, the mechanism is outstanding - to the point where models that previously got 5-star mechanisms likely won't any more, because they won't measure up to this.
I agree that the £75 difference in RRP (vs. Accurascale's model) is eye-watering. Even if you consider retailer discounts, a difference of almost £40 seems like a lot. However, there are two further caveats that I would add:
1) The Accurascale price (£169.99) was announced in 2019, before COVID and the supply chain crisis hit. I'm not sure how sustainable that price will be for them in the long run. It's great that they're honouring that price on existing orders (unlike a certain red-box manufacturer beginning with H); however, I won't be surprised if they raise the price for the second batch.
2) The Bachmann model is a known quantity: you can pay £208.20, know exactly what you're getting, and get it immediately. By contrast, all but one of the Accurascale Class 37s are showing as "Sold out on pre-order", and the people who have pre-ordered don't know what they're getting (the Accurascale 37 looks like it'll be a sensational model, but until the first examples are delivered and reviewed, we won't know for sure). You have to choose whether to pre-order or not - and either way, you're taking a risk: either you pre-order the model (and risk it not being as good in reality as it sounded on paper), or you wait for the next batch (and risk a price increase).
But if Accurascale deliver a top-quality product, and they *don't* increase the price for future batches, then Bachmann will look a bit silly!
For Bachmann Branchline’s Fall 2022 announcements, I was hoping for a from the ground up retool of the Gresley A4 or the GWR 57XX or Hall class or the LMS 3F Jinty.
In case no one has already mentioned it, Bachmann's new policy is only to announce new models when they are about to be released.
Will be interesting to have a 1:1 comparison between a new tool from the big two up against Accurascale.
Yes yes yes mine is arriving tomorrow but I live by your reception and reviews so great to get your opinion on the this
Great review Sam, I will wait until my Accurascale 37 arrives before I take the plunge on the Bachmann 37 should I need too.
Bachmann are pricing there 37s same as Accuruscale now.
hi sam.. i got to hand it to bachmann on this model..it is close to be a perfect model...very user friendly. hope the buzzing sound goes away after the run in..this could be my first bachmann..
Only just been watching ur channel mate and I really enjoy it I,ll be watching more, godbless you sir,
Great video review as always Sam, one question where are the stubby aerials front and rear on this new model? 😉
Missed the live on Sunday but caught up afterwards, I've purchased my first set, I went for the Valley drifter set which was £70 on amazon, I've bought my first extension too and will pick up the rest as and when I can! Cant wait to get to the full making of everything! Not sure what loco to go with tho, the valley drifter isn't a powerful engine but a good start!
Hi Sam i'm almost done with my RWS Thomas, it just needs a chassis & some buffers, but it looks great
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Sounds awesome! Good luck with the rest
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I do applied Bachmann for the quilty of how it looks how its easy to get to the bearings and how the body is screwed instead of clipped the wiring for the body yeah that could be different but thats fine but the part they still need work is the price point of 245 pounds (double that for dollars) if I had that much I would go for the accurascale as its price is less then the Bachmann one
With Deluxe sound, advanced weathering, D6710 was 279.95245 GBP less VAT = 233.29GBP. My shipping to US was 22.50 for a total of 258.25 GBP. At today's exchange rate of 1.00 GBP = $1.27, cost in dollars was $327.98. (Generally speaking, shipping to me is about equal to the VAT deduction for most items of locomotive pricing.)
As for the lights, there at the beginning of the video, you did take the instructions out and there was a bit about some switch settings for the lighting, I believe. Maybe the cab interior is set for DCC, rather than analog?
Nice model . Yep I think you are right though , completely fails on value for money . Your having to pay the Kader premium . Will wait for the second tranche of the Accurascale model as I think the first tranche is already sold out, in any case they haven’t modelled any of the variants I want . I know it would be expensive Sam, but would be really interested in what Accurascale and Bachmann sound locos sound like on DC . I think they still work whereas Hornby ones need DCC
Hi Sam. One of your most fascinating reviews, especially when drawing comparisons with Bachman’s previous 37 and the Accurascale Deltic. Agree with most of your sentiments though, as regards your ‘conspiracy theory’, one of my old bosses once told me: ‘People think what happens here is 90% conspiracy 10% cock-up whereas it’s more like 90% cock-up, 10% conspiracy’.
Would be interesting when they’re released to see you review the Dapol and Accurascale Manors where the price differential is the other way around.
The accura and Dapol Manor RRPs are the same, despite the accura having twin speakers and a stay alive and more features and a fully die cast chassis, running board and boiler
The opinion on the forums (I know a dangerous place) is that there were enough built and they cover such a broad time frame the market can take 2x 37 models and there will be plenty variants too. That being said, Bachmann today literally announced the exact same model as an Accurascale one 🤦
Bachmann: Can I make a new tooling of the Class 37?
Forums: To cover the different versions built across a broad time frame?
Bachmann: Of course!
Forums: Okay, go ahead.
Bachmann: [Actually just make the same ones as Accurascale]
I find it interesting that you are a fan of truck mounted couplers. That's usually a knock against a model over here stateside
Expensive. Imo it should have DCC and basic sound for that in my opinion. Cant imagine buying one of these new. :)
I've also seen Dean Park's review of this, and he brought up a few other points on this.
- Apparently the old version of the 37 was out of scale in a few key areas, and this meant it looked slightly off to people who knew the design well. This has apparently been connected with the retool.
- Underframe details is apparently now more prototypical.
- NEM sockets have been moved forward and can now be removed if desired (say at the front). On the downside it means the NEM snow plough no longer fits probably, despite the paint work.
- Don't think he saw the slow down you saw, but he was running DCC not DC.
Nice balanced review from you though.
Just picked up a new Bachmann FNA nuclear flask wagon, are you going to review these? They are a bit pricey, but look good, and no one else makes them. Not had a chance to run mine yet though.
Hi, Accurascale make nuclear flask wagons, they are amazing compared to the Bachmann models, £149 - £159 for a pair. I saw an old Bachmann advert where their nuclear flask wagons were £29 each, they are now £50 - £60 for the same item.
You're lucky to find a *used* Bachmann FNA for £29 today. Both of mine (Both 38-345) cost £42.
@@StormmyStormmy Fair comment. Accurascale make the KUA, which are used to transport nuclear fuel from submarines.
What I meant was no one else makes the FNA wagon, which were commonly used at Nuclear Power Stations for fuel transport up till 2018ish when they were replaced by a new version (think revolution trains are designing these ATM).
As for second hand, I looked at these, eBay wanted nearly £45 minimum bid (with p&p). I therefore decided that buying new at £50 was probably best, plus I need I fairly urgently for a project.
Hi
Sam
Brilliant vid like always also
Any other bachmann diesels you highly recommend for buyers like me similar to the 37
Many thanks 👍
Sam I do believe that you are right in having your suspicion of Bachmann's 37 release, although you have very cleverly disguised your beliefs. One question that's resin from this is why British models still have couplings attached to the bogies and not the body? Maybe you can find out ? But like you, I'm very interested in seeing Accurascale's 37 which I'm very excited to get my Hands on soon.
Keep up your great work 👍
As a US modeler of UK railways, I want the couplers on the bogies. Look at some of the videos of longer locos, like the 37, on a Radius 4 curve (22.5" radius) and consider that overhang coupled to a wagon, and you'll probably see a wagon pulled off the track if the couplers are body mounted. You can just see this if you slow the video down and watch it at abut 30:03. Unfortunately, the buildings blank the worst of the curves. At 38:56, you can really see the difference on these Second Radius curves. Note how much of the coach end is exposed. (That also illustrates why direct reverse curves are not suggested). This is similar to why the big articulateds, i.e.. Challenger and 4000, have the couplers on the front engine, not the body, as the overhang is awful.
My word, she’s a very impressive and stunning loco Sam. Easily getting on par with the better continental makes at this price point. Same models from different manufacturers is common place in the US and EU. Shops here will easily show comparisons on YT between 4 to 6 makers. Traxx locomotives are a good example; a selection of at least 4-5 manufacturers with the same livery; ACME, Brawa, Märklin/Trix, Piko, Roco. For the ICE-4 we could select Märklin/Trix or Piko. Each with their own distinctive advantages and disadvantages in features, details and price… Real competition should be welcomed. It does trigger the dynamics of wanting to do better than the other on certain aspects. It's how the world turns Sam. Does it entail not looking at other brands anymore after a certain experience of a manufacturer? No, of course not, it’s a dynamic world. We have chosen Piko for a ICE-4 and a Traxx from Roco as modern stock. This is an impressive loco Sam, and it would be great having more choices. You can line them up and compare one day. Cherio and Ciao.
I'm a bit puzzled by the cab lights not working on Analogue, given that Bachmann's Class 85 electric does have working cab lights regardless of whether it's on DC or DCC.
Working cab lights on analogue control is representing something that would NEVER HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE. Train drivers are instructed NOT to have the cab lights on when in motion (with the possible exception of some slow shunting movements as it adversely affects their ability to see signals.
As such Bachmann may have decided that working cab lights under analogue control is not a feature they wish to continue with following feedback from proper modellers (who care about accuracy rather on whether their toy has lots of gadgets)
Very cool Sam :) and I have some suggestions maybe you could review some Hornby and Bachmann diesels such as the class 47 and the class 55 deltic diesel and maybe some Hornby diesels with TTS sound cheers :)
Thanks for the suggestion Paul! I'll take a look at those
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains your welcome and great :)
Even before your review, it seemed to me the Accurascale is the way to go. But I loved the long shade you cast over the Bachmann model :)
Bachmann vs Accurascale Class 37, Dapol vs Accurascale Manor, Bachmann vs Heljan Class 47... Many competitions going on
Great review sam glad you done this one as I have 4 off the older ones which im very happy with, Bachmann have drawn a bit of blank on this one, look forward to the accuriscale review 👍
Honestly cannot wait for showdown
Love Class 37's I've got a Hornby one of my own, love this new Bachmann casting and I'll sure see you again soon 😉 Thanks for the Upload, Regards Zeke:)
Glad you like the class 37, thanks a lot for checking this one out!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I'd love to see another review after DCC fitting to see if that augments it's enjoyment.
I would say the upcoming release of the Accurascale 37s prompted Bachmann to release theirs a lot sooner. But if they are able to do that then i don't see why not. I suppose we'll just have to see what Accurascale comes up with.
Very surprised that you would get one of these Sam especially with the price, to me it’s fantastic and I definitely would pick one up, if I do get one in the future I might look for a large logo one because this version you have looks fantastic.
With this being a major release I decided to check this one out!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Bogie mounted couplers. No close coupling then.
We know from how Hornby operates that manufacturers don't like it when another company takes one of their staple products - and we also saw that when Hattons made their Class 66 as that is another Bachmann product. It is frustrating to see this when there are other trains that have never been made or have no recent tooling but we have to remember that this is all about the business - they have to know their investment into tooling will produce a product that will sell and also keep their existing staple products relevant. Sometimes competition can be a good thing for the customers with price drops but with the product specs being similar, it's a shame as we often end up criticising one company because of another. It was looking good before when we had 3 different class 37 options - hornby (cheap), bachmann (mid range), accurascale (brand new). With accurascale 37s still not here and also sold out, Bachmann will benefit from getting theirs to market. Again, that's business.
I hope for more variety in the coming years because the last 2 and a half years haven’t been kind to humanity, especially with my life, your life and the business.
Price wise Accurascale's 37 is the mid range one.
@@mytinplaterailway It is that way now based on price. Before this new version from Bachmann, their previous offering should have been the mid range one price wise.
Hi Sam, Nice review looks a good engine, I think both are trying to get it right, (shame about the price), All the best Brian 😃
Bachmann 37s are now same price as Accuruscale.
It is a shame really because I can't afford both versions of the 37s, as I would like to be able to make a comparison between the two. I'm afraid my money will go to the Accrascale ? model. The 37 has to be my favourite UK diesel locomotive. I've even had a go with a real one
My theory is that Bachman retooled one of their most popular models to put it in line with their as popular class 56 ( or whatever model was first to have a deluxe trim ) I believe they did it to put them on the same level
It feels too Hornby of a move to really make me think on purpose
As Matt says ,I too have a Bachmann 37 I brought from hattons brand new in 2005 for £39 still running just a clean and oil it’s been on my layout 17 years to me it looks great although this batch red strip railfreight they said the cab look odd ,I too have an accurascale deltic bit bits falling off has made me cancel my 37 I think fir the extra I’ll buy the Bachmann Mary queen of Scot’s and hopefully have piece of mind it won’t deconstruct it self
When you say bits falling off, was it just the tiny detail parts that like most locos, should have been in the accessory bag, or has it physically fallen apart and doesn't work any more?
@@mccarronfamily no it’s just the detail but why do we have to put up with it would you buy a car if little bits fell off but it still ran you but a product and not expect to glue parts back on ,anyway let’s leave it at that
@@marksinthehouse1968 I agree, and I'm sure accurascale will have learned from their first UK model, and the forthcoming models will not have the small details attached
@@mccarronfamily I hope so too my friend 👍🏻😊
You should do a review of the new Bachmann Acella train
👍Great video but I think I'll stick with the Accura one! :)
Before watching this I will say that the Bachmann 37 is bullet proof. Have 14 and never had an issue. Not so with Bachmann 66 but I love the 37. Will I buy the new one?. No way, too expensive so I will grab a second hand one and check out the Accurascale one.
I think I may get the old Bachmann 37 thankyou for the video
An interesting model. 37's should be powerhouses and shouldn't really be phased by 10+ coaches imo.
Also, regarding the cab lights, it's realistic not to have them on whilst running. It's the same as having an internal light on your car on whilst driving. So, for analogue, I do get that.
I do feel that it was a tad generous to give 5 stars to a mechanism which doesn't seem to have any flywheels.
The RRP for accurascale's 37 with full sound is only around £20 more than the RRP of Bachmann's bottom of the range 37, with no sound, so there's that to consider value wise.
It will certainly be interesting to see what happens in the future.
Excellent review as always 👍
Hi sam
Hope you are well?
Not my cup of tea
But full respect to bachmann for retooling the model with some great improvements
Yes your right Bachmann could of retool the J39 jinty or n class or gave us a brand new announced loco
Keep safe arp
Awesome video today Sam beautiful modle might have to get one
An excellent review Sam. I have an AS class 37 on order and like many are fed up with the lead times, however despite the GLOWING reviews posted elsewhere the new Bachmann appears to be less than it should be and very expensive. A proper head to head is going to be very very interesting 🤨
Great review Sam! Very impressed with the details and quality on this locomotive.
Hi Sam, just started my venture into 00 gauge layouts! Currently have an old Hornby panier tank and a cheap 0-4-0 railroad range loco.
My question is what bigger loco would you recommend I look into purchasing next? I have no era in mind and I don’t care if it’s steam or diesel, I just want it to be “bigger” and of some visual quality.
Can’t wait to hear from you,
Best Regards Aaron
Butting in here.....Go diesel. If buying new I'd suggest a Dapol class 68 (or possibly a Bachmann Class 66, but look around as prices can vary considerably!). WARNING! This hobby will quickly empty your bank account, now and for ever more!!!
I'm butting out now! :)
You rated the Bachmann 37 from two years ago at 9.19 -- the 6th highest rating of 40 locos reviewed over the last 3 years. This one, with less pulling power and a huge price increase, finds itself way down at 31st place out of the 40 reviews.
Last comment 👍😃 the "turning wheel" in the cab is in effect the ''handbrake" which is what the little chains are for on the bogies. As far as I know they work the linkage to apply the brakes
The chains on the bogies stop the bogies from getting away if the loco derails (in real life). The chain-activated hand brake is more of a US loco thing.
Hi Sam, thanks for another fine comparison video, I really need you as my accountant so you can purchase appropriate stock for my model railway 😁
Sam I recieved all the exam papers today, it wasn't so bad haha. Thanks for your help. 😊
Bloody hell !!!!
I live in Cwmbran 😲
Been here for 20 years !
I can’t wait for the Bachmann Class 31.
So my two cents on this is that you need to look at the wider picture. There are only a handful of locos that could support two manufactures. The class 37 is very much up there. 70+ years in service and every livery under the sun. Plenty of double heading and they get everywhere. It'd be a bold claim for even a single mile of track in the UK to have never seen one. Almost every layout can justify them and they are incredibly popular with enthusiasts.
Bachmann was already developing the class 47 new tool before Accurascale came to market with the Deltic and the 37 was the obvious next target to update with similar technology. I don't think this was a cynical stab at Accurascale unlike the Rails Terrier saga. The release schedule lines up well with the Class 47 last year being the major retool and this being this years. It was due for a retool anyway with the tooling being quite old.
Ultimately, neither Accurascale or Bachmann will lose money on their investment and each has it's own merits. The Accurascale guys have already completely sold out of batch 1 before it's even landed. Batch 2 looks set to get some upgrades with a working fan and should be even more profitable as the tooling is paid off. I doubt Bachmann's examples will remain on the shelves long and neither will Accurascales batch 2.
That being said why oh why are bachmann doing 37043 as well in the same livery... ...would have been so easy to pick a different name in the same condition for double heading (i.e. people could have bought both).
In some ways, having two companies with the same model could be good for pricing. Competition is good for consumers as it usually brings prices down. Well, that's the theory anyway.
I don't see it as a waste of resources when it is two different companies releasing the same class if it promotes competition. Unfortunately that does not seem to be the case in the Model Railway scene. The prices seem to just keep going up.
I guess these are designed for DCC more then DC. Flywheels are not so important on DCC as it can be programmed to slow down and speed up realistically.
Great review Sam! I have one of the older Bachmann 37s and as you say it's great. This model looks even better - stunning in fact but what a shame that they appear not have got the easy bit right, the performance. So frustrating when the mechanism gets five stars and the performance at £240 is rather poor, there is really no excuse and something that Hornby seem to do all the time.
I have one of the Accurascle 37s on order and if it runs anything like the two Accurascale Deltics I have then I shall be very happy.
I will be happy to buy one of the new Bachmann 37s but would be looking for a very discounted price with that performance.
Honestly, even if Bachmanns model isn’t as good as acurascales, honestly they have brand loyalty on their side. There are people that stick to brands almost blindly.
Like Hornby, I just happened to be on their website, and saw some reviews of the railway children 4f, and they were all 5 stars, which means either those reviews are fake, or I think some people may be blinded by brand loyalty.
One of the reviews mentioned “Hornby’s usual level of precision.” For one of the airfix era models?
I purchased the Rocket Mail Train from Hornby and they asked we to write a review. I submitted one rating it four stars and it never appeared on their site. The model has 99 reviews and they are all five stars. Suspicious
The trains from hornby's UK and the USA stores are they Compatible to each other I want ther trains?
Sam's trains,
Can you compare hornby class 47 vs bachmann class 47
Great video as always Sam.🚂
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I prefer the Bachmann over the Accurascale at the right price. With Bachmann you know you're getting a quality and reliable mechanism, but Accurascale is new to the game and I think they prioritise detail over running.
My theory is that Bachmann retooled the class 47 last year, so they decided to do the same thing with another iconic diesel this year.
Yeah but the point is you can't easily retool that quickly it's not a cheap, fast or simple process
Watching your review of the LBSC H1 4-4-2 I couldn't help noticing that your SR coaches didn't look very modern. In fact they looked positively ancient. Can I suggest the purchase of some Maunsell coaches would be appropriate with Pullman corridor connections, buckeye couplings and era 3, 4 and 5 SR and BR(SR) liverys. Obviously as the SR organised their coaches into fixed sets because their business was based on passengers rather than goods it would be good to buy coaches that could be formed into sets. This is easily done as Hornby did put the set numbers on the end of each set. One of the most common sets were made up of 3 or 4 coaches. However some sets had upto 8 coaches and Bullied and BR MK1 coaches were also formed up into sets. These sets remained formed up for many years. If you get a chance and have some old Hornby catalogues you can probably find some coaches on eBay that will make up some sets. I have made up quite a few sets (nearly 20) in 4 years. These include Push-Pull sets and non-corridor coaches. There are 5 Bullied 3 coach sets, 3 BR and 2 SR. The coaches are reasonably priced from £30. The set numbers are 965, 967, 968, 972, 973, and are made up of BTK-CK-BTK Bullied 59ft coaches that Hornby introduced in 2018.
Here is the list of these sets with the coach running numbers. Those with S at the start and end of the running number are BR sets and those without the S are SR sets.
965 2845 5711 2846
967 S2849S S5713S S2850S
968 S2851S S5716S S2852S
972 S2859S S5718S S2860S
973 2861 5719 2862
I have those 5 sets as some of them were my first purchases. I hope that this gets you started.
Bye from Ian.
Hi Sam
I had 2 of these with sound fitted, sent them both back, strange noise when running, very disappointing, i like you prefer the old 37
hi sam, how many class 37s do we want ? why not make a loco that no one else has like electric loco 20003 of 1948 built for the southern region, it was a Bullied/Rawth design also known as a booster loco
Hi Sam, if I recall from the video there should be 2 switches on the bottom. Aren't they for controlling the cab lights on analog?
I tried switching them - they just turned off the front and tail lights!
@@SamsTrains yes - so its right to the prototype.
Trains are required to display one or more white lights at the front and a red light to the rear.
When a loco is hauling a train it should NOT be showing red lights on the rear of the loco! - the red light indicating the 'end of train' is mounted on the last coach / wagon or on the brake van of unfitted trains!
If the loco had its tail lights on to then there is a danger (particularly in the days of unfitted trains) where a signalman might see the locos red lights and think the train had passed when in actual fact it had become divided somewhere which in turn could cause another train to be signalled into the back of the detached wagons.
The ONLY time the red lights should be lit on a loco is when its running solo (or if it is the rearmost of several locos coupled together).
Similarly when locos are running double headed then the white lights at the leading end of all locos other than the front one are turned off because they are not at the front of the train.
Therefore the switches Bachmann have fitted are there so as to allow prototypical operation of the locos for analogue users.
As I have pointed out in another thread it was not permitted to have the cab lights on while on the move so Bachmann are 100% correct not to have them as a feature under analogue control.
Didn't Hornby do a similar thing with the Adams Radial? Announce it almost at the same time as Oxford Rails model.
If direct competition can make both companies make better models for more reasonable price (yes i realize the price of this very loco has peen pointed out as too much, i mean when Accurascale releases that might motivate more comparable price from Bachmann).
I do not mind competition infact i hope it will be very good indicator of what each company can do, yes i would like generation 1 steam locomotives (Coalbrookdale, Locomotion ( NOT a Kylie minogue song one ), Rocket, Puffing Billy etc.) to have more models i also realize those might be more nieche, diversifying model range into engines not yet made is something i consider a good idea if only for preservation of accurate dimensions tho i see some would be less popular than than stars, like how many people would want separate planet and planetee models?
Yes please. Planet #9 and Patentee #33 as unique, separate models!
Bachmann 37s now same price as Accuruscale.
are the buffers spring loaded please ?
Yes they are!
I already have an older Bachman 37 and have the Accurascale on pre order so will give this a miss ,nice looking loco though.
a snow plow that fits in a nem coupling.....i'm literally looking at my five LNER W1's right now and thinking of this:
*"MY W1's need snow plows damnit!"*
I live here in the states, so I will definitely be buying a few of these Class 37's just for the snowplows to be able to be fit to my LNER W1's from Hornby.
All you have to look for is Bachmann 36-068 or 36-069 and either one will give you a four-pack of snowploughs that fit in to an NEM coupler pocket.
Hmm. I have the Bachmann class 37 'rail celebrity' with factory sound fitted. A regional exclusive model . Can not see how bachmann could have improved on it as its deffo one of my best runners. I love her to bits and would not trade her for the world. Great video Sam, but will not persuade me to go out and buy one. :)
Nice to see you Sam. I hope for more variety to surface in the coming years.
chains on bogies.....
meanwhile at Hornby headquarters: *"WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN! WE NEED TO FIT OUR NEW CLASS 66's WITH THESE CHAINS ON THEIR BOGIES LIKE THE REAL THING!"*
I do think while the Bachman model looks great it could have done better with possibly some crew to fit into the cab and having it dcc fitted as standard, I do like it tho even with its extreme price
This diesel looks amazing!
Hi Sam just got back into model railways what freight steam locomotives would you recommend?
She certainly looks the part, doe the cab light up on DCC do we know?. If she was priced around the £180 to £200 mark id snap one up, but maybe a bit out of my price range at the moment.
You reviewed the previous bachmann 37 less than two years ago. You rated it 9.19 -- the 6th highest rating of 40 locos reviewed over the last 3 years. This one, with less pulling power and a huge price increase, finds itself way down at 31st place out of the 40 reviews.
Hello Sam, I hope you are doing well.
I saw on Rapido's website yesterday that that are taking expressions of interest to determine whether they'll produce a version of their WR ’15XX’ 0-6-0PT locomotive in a GWR green livery. I mention this as something that you may wish to include in your next installment of Model Railway News on the off chance of your not having been aware of it already. They say that their order book closes on the 1st September, so if you did chose to report on this, it would be logical to do so in the upcoming August edition. (Whether you do mention this in that episode or not is of course entirely up to you, but I'd just thought I'd let you know incase you weren't previously aware. As it is I don't know how you're able to release such quality content at such a rapid pace, so you're bound to miss something when it comes to the news sooner or later...)
It's always a pleasure to see a new video from you, and I wish you all the best.
Cheers.
Hello, what is the weight of this model?