What Is Limited Atonement? - Honest Calvinist Conference
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- Опубліковано 15 лис 2023
- Recently, in an alternate universe, on Earth 1689... Calvinist thought leaders from all across the world met together at the first annual Honest Calvinist Conference. There, they spoke of Calvinism as it is, raw and unfiltered. Men like John MacArthur of @gracetoyou James White of @AominOrg Steven Lawson of @ligonier Josh Buice of @G3Ministries Paul Washer of @Heartcrymissionary Voddie Baucham of @gfbc1689 and many others gathered together for the first time, to reveal what Calvinism REALLY believes about the Sovereignty of God.
#parody #calvinism #Atonement #satire
🚨 Yes, we used AI and some editing to provide this humorous critique of the Doctrines of Grace. HOWEVER, the statements made during the intro sequence, prior to Josh Buice speaking are 100% real clips taken from the actual speaker. These actual statements are used to ground our subsequent critique. AI is only used once Josh Buice comes on screen and from then on it's satire driven entirely by AI.
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DUDE!! There is kicking a hornet nest, then there is taking a sledgehammer to it!
Calvinism has no hornets, but they do have on their side the lord of the flies.
Calvinism the doctrine of wasps at a picnic
Why is the term "new covenant" not found in the man-made confessions of "Reformed" Covenant Theology? The term is found in the Bible multiple times.
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the UA-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
I think I have learned more about Calvinism through this series than I did in 23 years trapped in Calvinist concrete.
I like that term, “Calvinist concrete”. Get out before it dries.
😅 this was funny. I remember being a Calvinist and thought man, some of this is counter intuitive to the basic reading of scripture. It says God loves the world but no, he doesn’t. Limited Atonement really takes the love of God and makes a mockery of it.
But James white say the word world in Greek is kosmos it changes nothing especially if you read it in context but he pretends it does
@@SugoiEnglish1 I don't granted others do
😆 The Calvinist Hymn was spot on...... "The Lord is my Salvation, maybe"...
When you boil it down, they do not believe in Jesus for salvation, they believe in election for salvation. A dear friend and brother in the Lord a number of years ago was honest with me and expressed a concern about not being elect. He worried that might be a self-deceived false convert. I was saddened by his honest feelings, as well as confused because of the “P” in his theology. I had more assurance of my salvation because it rested on my faith in Jesus than he did.
Entertaining but painfully true the falsehood being fed by Calvinism system. A creative way of exposing the deception of unscriptural teachings. More power Mr. McGrew!
I can just hear a version of the song by Carly Jepsen, "Call Me Maybe"... "You're my maker, elect me maybe." 😅
Dang.... I laughed out loud for that one.
You know Warren. Just when I think you couldn't possibly get any DUMBER, you go and do something like this, AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!!!
Man keep bringing the heat brother. When you listen to these, it shows just plain and simply how absolutely ludicrous their system really is, man there gonna put a hit out on you, start looking under your car before you crank lol 😅. Love it
Wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world?
"YoU dOn'T uNdErStAnD cAlViNiSm!"
@@IdolKillerI call that one the "whiny teenager argument". Not only is it the same accusation countless whiny teenagers have falsely thrown at their parents ("You don't understand meeeee!!!!"), but it's the same level of annoying as well!
This is fantastic. Thank you for time in putting this together. Outstanding!
Amazing talent! No smoke screens, no game of semantics, no sugar-coated language or ambiguity, just pure Calvinist honesty.
Bless you and your family! 💪✝️
Calvinism - why the Bible doesn't mean what it says...
In the realm of hilarity... the Honest Calvinist Conference is the gift that keeps on giving... 😂
Thank you for your past, your study, your effort and all the fun you've had that went into making these...
They are truly priceless! 💚
Oof. It’s like your in my head when I listen to these sermons- I’m looking around going “why is everyone just sitting here listening!!!!!!?????? This is so crazy anti biblical and we just sit here? “
This is the weirdest funniest humor I find myself laughing but this is terrible lol
Thankye Warren
Laughter for 5 minutes and 22 seconds straight is a great way to start the day! Thank you, Warren! I pray the mockery and sarcasm wake something up in their thought process, and they realize these conclusions logically follow from their absurd doctrine. God bless you.
Someone has to expose this doctrine of lies for what it really is peddling behind their pious nonsense. Thank you!
Priceless! This shows extraordinary cheeta flips that have to be done when one goes outside of what scripture clearly states. It takes real skill to twist and profain what God clearly states in His Word.
Man, continue this very good and useful work.😅👍🏽🙏🏼
Your Paul washer voice was so spot on! 😂😂😂😂
Wait, is Paul washer a calvinist?
@@sharaniasharania6646yeah
It actually is.
Keep up the good work Brian. These fools are being exposed for who THEY REALLY ARE! The well dressed, well paid, soft spoken wolves!
Truth in Love
This video does nothing more than "expose" strawman arguments made with AI voiceovers. I haven't gone and watched the original source video(s), but I would suspect this heretic may even have swapped out actual scripture quotation with petty memes. Personally I wouldn't want to have to stand before God after altering his Holy Word for internet jokes.
@@ung0liant No, its tough love! Calvinism is a pile of straw, the truth of God's Word is the match
burning things is love? You must surely be catholic.
Ah, yes...the doctrine in search of a proof text.
This is absolutely brilliant! This is by far your best work. I was cracking up. Hilarious! Now I have to watch it again.😅
The way that you use Paul Washer's long pauses in these is maybe the most underrated joke.
Wow, God must have decreed a Reformation Part Deux, causing all the Calvinists on that stage to humble themselves and be more honest about what they truly believe . Praise the Lord for this Sovereign work of grace. He really is willing and able to take the stubborn heart of stone out of man and replace it with a heart of flesh.
✝️🙏🏼😇
Calvinists say the ones who aren't elect were created for the purpose of hell, but Jesus said something different about hell-
'Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: (Matthew 25:41, KJV) Interesting he didn't say prepared for the un-elect, he specifically said it was prepared for the devil and his angels, because He never wanted humans to go there. Any human going there is a result of their own choices and unbelief in Jesus.
Anyway, this video is awesome lol.
That Voddie part hit deep.
That opening statement of John Macarthur!! What a devil!
That calvinist hymn 🤣
Wow! It took me waaay too long to realize this was a parody. About 2 and a half minutes in smh.
I noticed that the audio didn't align with the lips immediately, but I thought it was some kind of glitch.
Because I've heard this kind of honesty from some Calvinists, this wasn't so far-fetched.
However, you nailed it! Lol hilarious, yet still, very sad.
Same! I bet that if you published that 'hymn,' many Calvinist/Reformed churches would sing it.
These videos are so great
Outstanding. Keep up the good work.
The part with Voddie at the end was priceless!! 🤣😂😅😂🤣😅🤣😂🤣😅
These tongue and cheek videos are too funny
Seems like Calvinists have changed the lyrics to the hymn ‘The Lord is My Salvation ‘! I’ve sung this song but have never heard these Calvinist verses before! Wow!
Maybe... 😅
There is no passage that says that Jesus died to pay for sin. There is a specific Greek word that can be translated as "for," indicating an exchange or a replacement, and it is the word "anti." An example of this is when Jesus said, "You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for [anti] an eye and a tooth for [anti] a tooth.'" Both of the words translated as "for" in this verse are the Greek word "anti." It's literally, "an eye in place of an eye," or "an eye instead of an eye," or "an eye against an eye." However, the word "anti" is never used even once in any statement regarding the fact that "Christ died for us." The word "for" in all of the statements of "Christ died for us" or "Christ died for our sin," are the Greek words "dia" (meaning through), "hyper" (meaning over), and "peri" (meaning around). Not once in the Greek text is there a direct substitutionary statement used about Jesus literally taking our place as an exchange or a payment. Nevertheless, translators (for unknown reasons) seem to have preferred to use the much more ambiguous word "for," which enables the teacher and reader to assume things about the text that were never intended.”
Atonement is about reconciliation between persons, not between humans and a cold bureaucrat who needs to get his books adjusted before he can stamp "Forgiven" on a person's case. That is what the book "Atonement and Reconciliation" shows is the case throughout the Bible, except where Reformed people have twisted the text to get it to fit their narrative. Each biased text is examined and refuted.
Yeah, Anselmian models like Satisfaction Theory and Penal Substitution are antithetical to Scripture. I affirm Ransom, Recapitulation, Restored Icon, Moral Influence and Christus Victor
I've heard from an expert that one should never base a doctrine on a preposition, as they can be very fluid in their meaning and use, both in English and ancient Greek. It's like basing a doctrine on just one verse (Tozer did not recommend that), or on a Psalm (not their purpose). But your knowledge seems much deeper than mine on this topic, so I will have to ponder it some more.
But I do have a question regarding the 'paying' for our sin. Who then pays it? The Model Prayer indicates we have a 'debt' (if that word is translated as debt correctly...some translate it as 'trespasses'). And Paul writes that sin has wages, or a cost -- 'the wages of sin is death.' This also seems to indicate a debt, or something owed, our death. Was Jesus' death on the cross the payment of that debt, his death in place of mine? Maybe verses like these have led translators to make the choices they have, though I'm no expert by any stretch. I do not read ancient Greek nor Hebrew, so I do not know. Just some thoughts that came to my mind when I read your post. Very thought-provoking, thank you!
@@Myrdden71 “The wages of sin is death" must be read in context. Romans 6:22-23 "But NOW that you have been SET FREE FROM SIN and have become slaves of God, the FRUIT you get LEADS to sanctification and ITS END, eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
When read together, the consequence ("the fruit") of being "set free from sin" is eternal life, and the wages, the consequence of sin, is death. These two results are being contrasted. The phrase "the wages of sin is death" is not a transactional statement of how to pay for sin. Wages are a metaphor for consequences, not a method of payment. Nevertheless, this one phrase is a keystone of the Penal Substitutionary Atonement doctrine, as if it is intended to state that the event of Jesus' death was the means of how the sins of humanity were paid. This proof-texting of a phrase to use as a basis for defending the PSA theory is a sad display of sloppy scholarship.
@@atonementandreconciliation3749 Thank you for the clarification. God bless!
@@atonementandreconciliation3749 So then, did Jesus not have to die? Athanasias puts his Incarnation and death as the answer to his 'divine dilemna.' The price for sin had to be paid or God was a liar to Adam and Even. But it would be unbecoming of God to allow his creation, made in his image, to die and cease to exist. So the creator, Jesus, had to become a part of his creation in order to remake it, and so he had to die, on the cross specifically, to take that punishment of death. But death, taking a sinless man, broke the rules, so-to-speak, and Jesus gained power over death, taking away Satan's most powerful weapon. But if that isn't true, then did Jesus have to die? I guess this is all deeper than I realized at first. More to ponder. Thanks again for your reply! God bless!
This is going to redpill so many Bible students. There’s a pastor I led to Christ who won’t even speak to me anymore. I’m the reason he’s a Calvinist. He won’t debate with me because he knows I know all his arguments.
I wish I saw this 23 years ago. It would have saved me a lot of pain. I pray the blessing of Abraham on your life and ministry, that God would make your name great and make you a blessing to millions.
Thank you so much. I appreciate the encouragement and kind words. Calvinism is truly heartbreaking and soul crushing.
Love your work Warren
But boy I absolutely hate “ Calvinism “
People who paint a picture of “God” being the “evil” behind ,Satan” are not brothers and need to repent and truly be born again.
Accurate and well made, if only Calvinists were honest, it would be easier to spot them and remove them from the Church.
Can you imagine a Calvinist evangelising in the street?😂😂😂😂 This is the most saddest and hopeless thing I've ever watched. And they all seem so miserable.
Calvinist leaders - either smug, depressed, or angry. I understand why now.
Lol this is amazing, 2.00 really got me😂
did you ever see that John Wesley wrote:
Calvinists, who deny that salvation can ever be lost, reason on the subject in a marvelous way
They tell us, that...
• no virgin's lamp can go out; [Matt. 25:1-13]
• no promising harvest be choked with thorns; [Mk. 4:18-19]
• no branch in Christ can ever be cut off from unfruitfulness; [Jn. 15:1-6]
• no pardon can ever be forfeited, [Num. 14:34, Isa. 63:8-10]
• and no name blotted out of God's book! [Rev. 3:5]
They insist that...
• no salt can ever lose its savor; [Matt. 5:13]
• nobody can ever "receive the grace of God in vain"; [2 Cor. 6:1, Gal. 2:21, 5:4]
• "bury his talents"; [Matt. 25:24-30]
• "neglect such great salvation"; [Heb. 2:3]
• trifle away "a day of grace"; [2 Cor. 6:2, Heb. 3:7-15]
• "look back" after putting his hand to the gospel plow. [Lk. 9:62]
• Nobody can "grieve the Spirit" till He is "quenched," and strives no more, nor "deny the Lord that bought them"; nor "bring upon themselves swift destruction." [1 Thess. 5:19, Gen. 6:3, 2 Pet. 2:1]
• Nobody, or body of believers, can ever get so lukewarm that Jesus will spew them out of His mouth. [Rev. 3:16]
They use reams of paper to argue that...
• if one ever got lost he was never found. John 17:12;
• that if one falls, he never stood. Rom. 11:16-22 and Heb. 6:4-6;
• if one was ever "cast forth," he was never in, and "if one ever withered," he was never green. John 15:1-6;
• and that "if any man draws back," it proves that he never had anything to draw back from. Heb. 10:38,39;
• that if one ever "falls away into spiritual darkness," he was never enlightened. Heb. 6:4-6;
• that if you "again get entangled in the pollutions of the world," it shows that you never escaped. 2 Pet. 2:20;
• that if you "put salvation away" you never had it to put away, and if you make shipwreck of faith, there was no ship of faith there!! [1 Tim. 1:19]
In short they say: If you get it, you can't lose it; and if you lose it you never had it.
May God save us from accepting a doctrine, that must be defended by such fallacious reasoning!
I add col 1:23 that someone can be moved away from the hope of the gospel....
feel free to spread this and use this!!
Excellent as always!
Why is it that only Calvinists are Elect? Why is it that all the Calvinist ever preaches is that you cannot get saved?
These are Amazing!!!
these are excellent. Extreme brilliance at work.
Brother Warren, is it sad that this is top quality entertainment for me 😢
I can't wait for the next Calvinist conference now 😧
These are so good.
I love these. Truth in parody.
These videos are perfect !!!
More Calvinist hymns, please!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I live in the midst of calvinism and this helps me feel sane and not alone. Thank you.
Love it!
This one was spicy 😂 best one yet
this is a masterpiece!
This was great! I wonder if you could do something similar for each letter of the T.U.L.I.P? 🤔
The Honest Calvinist Conference is an ongoing series. So far we've tackled :Sovereignty", Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, and Linited Atonement but there is MORE TO COME!
@IdolKiller Apologies I just saw the others. I'm watching them right now!
It's fascinating how much time Calvinists spend studying something they say we have no choice in, no control over, no part in - salvation. Is it like a humble-brag to keep talking about it instead of talking about things like loving one's neighbor, helping the needy, evangelism, humbling one's self, etc.? It's like the Calvinist Bible only talks about soteriology, how God saved them and them alone, and hates everyone else. Maybe they talk about it so much to try and continually convince themselves that it is actually true in the face of so much scripture that affirms otherwise?
What about an HC session talking about the things Calvin did that Calvinists never talk about?
Wonderful video, when i first became a christian i only knew about reformed baptists. I always had issues with calvinism but just thought u have to believe it since all the preachers did, its such a relief when u finally realize its just a man made doctrine, and wasnt believed by christians for the first 1500 years except for gnostics and some parts of augustine
Boy!!! I didn't get it until towards the end!😂😂
My humor is... different. So if you got it at all, there's probably something totally depraved about you, lol
@@IdolKiller 😂😂😂
Keep up the good work sir. I like your contents.👍👏
Boy your hate mail inbox has to be blowing up..😂😂😂
Charles Simeon’s (Calvinist) conversation with John Wesley (Arminian)
It is instructive in this connection to ponder Charles Simeon’s account of his conversation with John Wesley on December 10, 1784 (the date is given in Wesley’s journal):
Charles Simeon: “Sir, I understand that you are called an Arminian; and I have been sometimes called a Calvinist; and therefore I suppose we are to draw daggers. But before I consent to begin the combat, with your permission I will ask you a few questions.… Pray, Sir, do you feel yourself a depraved creature, so depraved that you would never have thought of turning to God, if God had not first put it into your heart?”
John Wesley: “Yes,” says the veteran, “I do indeed.”
Charles Simeon: “And do you utterly despair of recommending yourself to God by anything you can do; and look for salvation solely through the blood and righteousness of Christ?”
John Wesley: “Yes, solely through Christ.”
Charles Simeon: “But, Sir, supposing you were at first saved by Christ, are you not somehow or other to save yourself afterwards by your own works?”
John Wesley: “No, I must be saved by Christ from first to last.”
Charles Simeon: “Allowing, then, that you were first turned by the grace of God, are you not in some way or other to keep yourself by your own power?”
John Wesley: “No.”
Charles Simeon: “What, then, are you to be upheld every hour and every moment by God, as much as an infant in its mother’s arms?”
John Wesley: “Yes, altogether.”
Charles Simeon: “And is all your hope in the grace and mercy of God to preserve you unto his heavenly kingdom?”
John Wesley: “Yes, I have no hope but in him.”
Charles Simeon: “Then, Sir, with your leave I will put up my dagger again; for this is all my Calvinism; this is my election, my justification by faith, my final perseverance: it is in substance all that I hold, and as I hold it; and therefore, if you please, instead of searching out terms and phrases to be a ground of contention between us, we will cordially unite in those things wherein we agree.
O HORRIBLE DECREE Worthy of whence it came! Forgive their hellish blasphemy Who charge it on the Lamb: Whose pity him inclin’d To leave his throne above, The friend, and Saviour of mankind, The God of grace, and love..... To limit thee they dare, Blaspheme thee to thy face, Deny their fellow-worms a share In thy redeeming grace: All for their own they take, Thy righteousness engross, Of none effect to most they make The merits of thy cross.... They think with shrieks and cries To please the Lord of hosts, And offer thee, in sacrifice Millions of slaughter’d ghosts: With new-born babes they fill The dire infernal shade, “For such,” they say, “was thy great will, Before the world was made.”.... O take me at my word, But arm me with thy power, Then call me forth to suffer, Lord, To meet the fiery hour: In death will I proclaim That all may hear thy call, And clap my hands amidst the flame, And shout,-HE DIED FOR ALL.
Absolute GOLD!! 😂
Hey, do you have an original video of the part voodie baucham denying the gospel? If you do, send me a link if you don't mind
I was just now watching your James White prayer parody and it cut off and said this video is private? How do I finish watching it? It really shows how ridiculous Calvinism is when played out in reality.
I need to tweak it a bit, so as not to make it seem like a personal attack. I'll upload the revised version asap
Biting satire! Wow!
This was very well done. The hymn was great.
Amen to irony from Finland.
I wonder if Calvinist realize that their doctrine of election and limited atonement is as ludicrous as the Jehovahs witnesses claiming only 144,000 are going to heaven
What AI voice generator are you using?? It's sounds incredible!!
Warren I have to laugh to keep from crying. This is insane that they believe this.
Yikes that James White bit in the middle, look out Day 6 and assurance!
This sounds like a praise and worship service for TULIP philosophy.
very good!
The true and greatest purpose of AI is realized in satire exposing Calvinism. It also writes python but who cares?
💢God does not chose some to heaven and some to hell. The calvinistic teaching of Limited Atonement is absolute heresy. If one single verse of Scripture remotely contradicts an opinion, doctrine, teaching, or ideology, then they are wrong and Scripture is true.
1 John 2:2 flat out says that Christ atoned for the sins of the whole world, John 3:16 says God so loved the world. Scripture also states 2 Peter 3:9 God is not willing that any should perish - however if He appoints some to damnation then He is willing that some would perish, and God then is a liar.
The words World, All, Whosoever, Any..... in the the actual meaning of those words in the Scriptures according to the Greek and Hebrew are general all inclusives, not limited specifics. You actually have to monkey with the Word of God and change the meanings of the actual words of Scripture to make Unconditional Election and Limited Atonement of Calvinism work
You will not find 1 single verse that says anything about Christ not being the atonement for all the world.
And here's just a few verses that directly contradict the false ideology of Limited Atonement -
💢1 John 2:2) "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
💢Hebrews 2:9) "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."
💢John 3:16) "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
💢2 Corinthians 5:14-15) "For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again."
💢Acts 17:30) "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
💢Isaiah 53:6) "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."
💢2 Peter 3:9) "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
💢John 1:29) "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."
💢Titus 2:11) "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,"
💢1 John 4:14) "And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world."
💢1 Timothy 4:10) "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe."
💢1 Timothy 2:4) "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."
💢John 6:51) "I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
@@ManassehJonesGotta love gnostic, esoteric heresy. Where only you individually and your sect are the ones in the whole truth and hold a monopoly over truth while everyone else are in falsehoods. No, he's reading Scripture in its context and not reading Calvinist bs into the text like your "prophets" John Calvin, RC Sproul, John MacArthur, etc do.
Ironic that Calvinists claim to believe in salvation through grace by faith alone when faith alone is not in the Bible explicitly. Faith Alone is taught against St. James the Apostle, relative of Jesus in James 2. I'd rather believe him over modern heretics any day.
The word for "world" in the original Greek in 1 John 2:2 and John 3:16 for example is "kosmos". It means the world, universe, inhabitants of the world, the human race; people. It doesn't suggest only a certain group of people whether it's denomination, ethnicity, race, gender, color anything like that.
" even as *He chose* us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. *In love He predestined us* for adoption to Himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will... " - Ephesians 1:4-5
Notice how the Word of God prioritizes the will of God and not that of man? Also, notice how those who are saved are "predestined" before the foundation of the earth?
Love it
if i’m not mistaken not even Calvin believed in limited atonement, it came about under Theodore Beza after him.
Neither Calvin or Beza held to Limited Atonement. It first came up at the Synode of Dordrecht in 1618-19. The L in T.U.L.P. Stands for “Limited Atonement” is a Mistranslation from Dutch, Which is the linguist It was translated from, to English. The 5 articles were a response on the 5 articles of the remonstrant written in 1610 by the Arminian Uittenbogaard . He wrote the 5 articles, that the synod of Dordrecht 1618 - 1619 opposed to. There were 62 Dutch delegates, and 27 foreign delegates representing eight countries.
The word which Uittenbogaard used means: “Particular Atonement” and Christ Died particularly for every person of the whole world. Which is borderline to universal redemption. The Synod upheld the Sufficiency of the dead Of Christ for the whole World and if it was for 1000 worlds, but opposed the idea of Particular redemption for every person ever born. At the time that this controversy on the Synod of Dodrecht Calvin had already Died in 1564, and had nothing to do with it and neither did Beza.
The true meaning of limited atonement is stated in these articles that were written and put together by the delegates of the Synod to explain the Atonement Of Christ.
2-3. This death of the Son of God is the only and perfect sacrifice and satisfaction for sins; of infinite power and dignity, abundantly sufficient to atone for the sins of the whole world.
2-4. And this death is therefore of such great power and dignity, because the person who suffered it is not only a truly and utterly Holy Man, but also the only begotten Son of God, of one eternal and infinite being with the Father and the Holy Spirit, such as our Savior must be. Moreover, because his death has been attended with the sense of the wrath of God and of the curse which we have deserved by our sins.
2-5. Furthermore, the promise of the gospel is, that whosoever believeth on Christ crucified shall not perish, but have eternal life; which promise to all nations and men, to whom God, according to his good pleasure, sends his gospel, must be proclaimed and presented indiscriminately, with a commandment of repentance and faith.
2-6. But that many, being called by the gospel, repent not, neither believe in Christ, but perish in unbelief, this is not for want or insufficiency of the sacrifice of Christ offered on the cross, but through their own unbelief.
COMMENTARIES OF JOHN CALVIN ON THE BIBLE.
“He makes this favor common to all, because it is propounded to all, and not because it is in reality extended to all; for though Christ suffered for the sins of the whole world, and is offered through God’s benignity indiscriminately to all, yet all do not receive him.” [Calvin’s Commentary on Romans 5:18]
Nevertheless, forasmuch as it is not in us to discern between the righteous and the sinners that go to destruction, but that Jesus Christ has suffered His death and passion as well for them as for us, therefore it behoves us to labour to bring every man to salvation, that the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ may be available to them ...” [Sermon CXVI on the Book of Job (31:29-32)]
“The word many is not put definitely for a fixed number, but for a large number; for he contrasts himself with all others. And in this sense it is used in Romans 5:15, where Paul does not speak of any part of men, but embraces the whole human race.” [Calvin’s Commentary on Matthew 20:28]
“For he intended expressly to state [in John 3:16] that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favour of God, YET HE SHOWS HIMSELF TO BE RECONCILED TO THE WHOLE WORLD, when he invites all men without exception to faith in Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life.” (Calvin’s Commentary on the Gospel of John)
What meeting is this really from? I would love to get the quotes.
It's parody, mixing clips from various sources with A.I.
It's a strawman of these people. I'd recommend quoting the direct source's actual words, whether you agree with them or not. At least that would be honest.
@kevinmiller6443 it's not a strawman, it's satire and parody. Thus far, Calvinists have merely complained that the series exists... they've not refuted the substance of the criticism.
So, Jesus died to make a provision for all, yet at the same time is all-knowing that a person who He would create 2000 years later will end up in hell, even if he isn't choice meats?
Another great job my hillbilly friend.
That was GREAT!!
How sad that for some of it it's hard to sure it's satire.
Scriptures at times speak theologically & other times speak anthropologically❤️God bless y’all
Oh Really John MacArthur, except
Jeremiah 29 11For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. 12Then you will call on me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. 13You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. 14I will be found by you,” declares the Lord,...
Truth in Love
Only the devil and his collaborators are happy about limited atonement.
Bruh, the voices 😂😂😂😂😂
Voddie, That's a presupposition that God has to have His way or he's not soverign.
No, He allows us finite creeatures the free will choices, but He does not allow them to freely go without the consequences for their choices.
You go astray, but you will eventually have to face the judgment, as wvery man will give an account.
Outstanding.
Bro what A.I. do you use?!
Brilliant... sickening...so sad😭😭😭
Brilliant
So according to foreknowledge an all knowing God creates souls He knows will never believe and receive Jesus. What a loving God!
This is solid parody Warren! Oddly enough I do agree that the extent of the atonement is limited to the elect… atonement accomplishes atonement but given that universalism is false, not all sins were atoned for. That the atonement is, in fact, limited does not imply at all that Jesus work would be incapable of paying for all if all would trust in him for pardon.
The Work of Christ redeemed the totality of humanity, which is why there is a universal bodily resurrection of the dead. Both the wicked and the righteous are raised... but only the reconciled receive eternal life, while the rest perish.
Thanks for the kind words btw
Atonement is not what saves. It's just a component to salvation.
you might want to reconsider there is a resurrection of the dead.... ALL OF THEM.... bc ALL things have been given to Jesus and ALL will come to Jesus, some will come willingly , some will be dragged out of the grave and be regenerated to BOW to Jesus before they get cast into hell.... just because God is not going to let any sin go without Jesus drying every tear, does NOT by any means mean that the atonement for ALL sin was not accomplished on the cross. You are confusing "atonement" for sin with *_salvation of being reconciled to God_* and Jesus assures you that EVERY knee will bow believing in Him, ALL will be raised from the dead, and every tear will be wiped.... no sin will be left unatoned for ..all men will be purified for the slaughter (Jer 12:3). but not all men will be reconciled to God to enter the Kingdom of God (2Cor 5:19-21)
Matt 11:27: ALL things have been given to me by The Father... there are 2 ways people will arrive ηξει to Jesus: 1) ερχομενον willingly BEFORE death by confession of faith or UNWILLINGLY dragged ελκω out of the grave to bow. (Is 45:23, Rom 14:11, Phil 2:11) and to the one that knocks: it shall be opened, to the one asks it shall be given, and to the one that seeks he shall find (Matt 7:7, Luke 11:9) we will ALL appear before the judgment seat OF CHRIST (John 5:27, Rom 14:10, 2 Cor 5:10) BUT there is NO CONDEMNATION for those who are IN CHRIST JESUS (Roman 8:1, John 5:24, Rom 5:16, Eph 1)
@@inTruthbyGraceThank you! You clarified just what I was trying to reason out!
We were not special Voddie, were made special. When we believe God, jist like our father Abraham.
I know where the limited atonement may have come from. And it is my ache. So, it may have come from a believer living with unbelieving relatives and being unable to covert them no matter what, instead ruining his own spiritual life by trying.
But, on the other hand, it is obvious that the idea of limited atonement could have been the precursor for fascism.
Those who criticize limited atonement can't even tell us what atonement is. They are still working on their theories after two thousand years. What scriptural evidence is there for contingent or provisional atonement?
Limited Atonement is predicated upon the Reformed view of election and Anselmian Atonement Theory. Engage with the hours upon hours of content we've put out on the Redemptive Work of Christ.
What I find very troubling is how many erstwhile honest Christians who are not Calvinist take the view Calvinism is simply a " theological difference "
I make no bones about calling the ISM anti-Christ, anti-Gospel and anti-reason. However, I don't make the ISM a litmus test for determining who is saved, as people often identify with labels they don't understand.
Romans 9-11 has a very happy ending:
"God has consigned all to disobedience, that He may have mercy on all. … From Him, and through Him and to Him are all things." (Romans 11:32,36a)
LOL, awesome! 😆
Idol Killer wrote: "I affirm Ransom, Recapitulation, Restored Icon, Moral Influence and Christus Victor" what is that in english?
Those are names of Redemptive Models for the Work of Christ affirmed by the Early Church. They're not predicated on Anselm or his views of the Father punishing the Son.
@@IdolKillerIsaiah 53:10-11
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
@@CE-DE I have an entire video on Isaiah 53 if anyone is interested.
i would prefer a biblical analysis rather than yours, so no, no thanks @@IdolKiller
@CE-DE dude... this whole time I thought you were a liar. I guess you're cognitively impaired after all. That's sad. I guess you're totally unable and created preprogrammed to believe lies.
Calvinism, I have become convinced, is the worship of imagination. It is based on an imagined past (before the world began). When an imagined God, imagined the current world, and decided that what He imagined would come to pass exactly as He had imagined it, in infinitesimal detail. Including every thought, feeling, and action which He had seen each and every living thing would ever experience, in the material world He was going to create, precisely as He had imagined.
(Why bother creating such a material world at all? We can only imagine, precisely as He imagined we would, before the material world began ; )