It is evil for a god or for anyone else to force another life form into the type of existence where they will suffer against their will because they might not want to exist in the type of existence where they will suffer against their will. And it is also immoral and irresponsible to force another life form into existence when you don't know what will happen to them in this life or in the perhaps possible afterlife.
We could ask the same thing about preaching the gospel. If everyone is either predestined to be unable to believe, or predestined to believe no matter what, then why preach the Gospel? Also, if we’re predestined not to become Calvinists, why do Calvinists try to convince us?
This might sound a bit dramatic, however, I actually started crying when I got about half way through this video, I'm a former Jehovah's Witness for 25 years, when I received Christ as my God and Savior at the age of 43 I attended Jeff Durbins Church, Apologia. I truly am heartbroken that I allowed myself to be fooled AGAIN by an interpretation of the Bible that is so wicked. I'll never be able to thank you enough Warren for this particular series (HC) it's truly hitting home for me, from one brother in Christ to another, I love you and the work you're doing to help people just like me. God bless you
Thank you! Keep your eyes on Christ and if you begin to sink, cry out. He's there, able and willing. Celebrate in discovering error and be zealous in pursuing truth.
If people watch this video and still shut their eyes and ears and refuse to let go of this strange idol to start following Jesus, I don’t know if there’s a lot more we can do. I’m genuinely asking, are we casting pearls at swine at some point? 😬 I hate to say it but I spend so much emotional energy and time trying to thoughtfully reason with these people and also unravel all the Bible verses that have literally been twisted through this false doctrine that I’m honestly beginning to realize if even this video cannot get through to them, I don’t even know if it’s wise for me spiritually to keep pouring into cleaning up this mess and sorting though all the weeds. I’m getting tired 😔😔 I’m so tired of trying to convince Calvinists of Christianity. I just want to share the light and hope and good news and talk about Jesus and if someone doesn’t want to believe it then I actually think I am just going to send this video and shake the dust off my feet and move on. I won’t stop praying though. Love u in Christ Jordan!!
@@Loves2HugItOut I get your point and I feel the same way many times. However, remember that these people are enslaved by Satan to believe a lie, just as it happens in any cult. It is not only an intelectual issue, it is the fact that their mind is under a dark spell, a stronghold. Therfore, they need spiritual deliverance. If someone comes to you with honest questions, then give him/her what the Bible says. Otherwise, only pray. If they seek the truth, God will make it clear to them. Thrust God and the power truth/gospel has to set people free. I do not have a Calvinist background. I was an atheist, a Nazi, and a yoga practitioner. Satan has so many false doctrines and traps to enslave people. What helped me find the truth is that I was looking for the truth. Of course God worked in my heart to do so, but He does it with all people. I remember telling myself when I was doing yoga: "this is not the truth". And I continued to search for the truth. When the gospel was presented to me, I accepted it and rejoiced, because it was cristal clear that it is the truth. So, people will accept the truth if they receive the love of the truth God gives each and every person. Otherwise, they prefer their lies.
@@Loves2HugItOut Perseverance. Prayer. Gently ask them questions. It will be very difficult for you as a woman to debate irrationally discuss with these types of men. Calvinism is hyper-masculinized theology. All about control. Fear based. They cannot allow a sound & balanced masculine/feminine theology.
Wow this really opened my eyes. I think I was a Calvinist by default because I so admired and respected teachers such as John Macarthur and Justin Peters. And while I still respect those men as sincere and well meaning, I can no longer support their theology on these matters. Their own words condemn them...just as they condemn God as the author of all evil.
@@janethammond5925 Same here...I was a long time subscriber to Justin's channel until I heard him say what seemed like his own spin on the angel appearing to the shepherds in the gospel of Luke, to announce the good news of the birth of Christ. The Bible doesn't mention how many shepherds there were but, I'm thinking a true Calvinist might've said, "Behold, I bring you (but not you, or you, or the other one over there) good news..." Doesn't make much sense to me.
@littleredhen2894 Yes well said. One other thing that really bothered me was an video Justin did on pornography addiction. Not because of the subject matter, but the sneering contempt he showed towards those caught up in it. No Christian man involved in this sin does so without a tortured conscience, and a longing to be free. Yet if they watched this Justin Peters episode they'd have been in utter despair. Yes it's a serious sin and he does give biblical advice at the end, but for the majority of the video it's like a marathon of condemnation. I can only imagine the hopelessness of those who were already in anguish over their sin.
The laughing was very short lived. Then I got really upset, that they would dare preach such utter devilish lies about our Lord - who paid the highest price so that we would NOT be condemned!
Amazing job!!!!! Thank you!!! My 16 year old stopped the video at the end before the Bible verses and said, “Mom, these men are worse than the Pharisees.” Wow! We are dealing with Calvinism all around us. It’s so sad and angering.
Resistable Grace isn't love either. Human beings do not possess the ability to live a sinless life so you're going to spend the rest of your life afraid of not being good enough to get into Heaven. It's two deeply maltheistic systems.
Stop teaching your son Wong to read your Bible. Be come, Born-again Christian, Born-again Christian. You must not be filled with the Holy Spirit and been deceived.
They are absolutely worse than the Pharisees. Pharisaic like behavior exists everywhere and you will find it in other churches too. But Calvinism is the inversion of truth.
I grew up listening to these men but I have not been able to listen to them for years now. I cannot stand to hear the lies that come out of their mouths..
Yes!!! I had to stop a debate early on the cessationist position just felt like the devil talking to me I love the way you phrased it Total Inability-unable to listen to a liar
@@ManassehJonesLotta extra-Biblical vocabulary there. "Effectual calling", "Self-Determinist", "judicial hardening". You Calvinists are very big on that, aren't you?
@@TyehimbaJahsiSo you are saying that Gods calling is not effectual but you are the final arbiter of Gods calling. You guys are big on that, aren’t you.
@@ManassehJones Manny, God could literally throw open the heavens right now and tell you to your face "YOU are wrong".... and you'd go to your friends afterwards and claim "God has changed my name to Wrong Jones. Now let me continue telling you why determinism is the gospel."
0:45 The quote from MacArthur about unbelievers being unable to believe the Truth just because it *is* just *has* to take the wind out of your evangelistic sails. Very well done Warren.
“This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light, and there is absolutely no darkness in him.” (CSb) Great work for exposing dark side of reformed mind…
With just one powerful Scripture reference in James 1, the philosophical bent of Calvinism and that blasphemous prayer was totally dismantled! With such clarity of presentation, the falseness of Calvinism is once again exposed! More power Sir Warren!
This is your best one yet. It contains so many real quotes from Calvinists and then teaches the truth from the Bible at the end all in a bite sized video. Thank you for this and well done!
I will never understand Dr. White's objection to the idea that Sin and Evil must be ordained by God because otherwise it would be purposeless. That makes no sense to me. Why does evil and sin have to have a purpose? Does the bad guy have to have a reason for being a bad guy? There's a story my dad told me after my mom died. My mom was a beautiful christian woman, strong in her faith, and ever so loving. She's always been an inspiration to me. She told me about the day she got saved. It was at a revival at her church, and she was five years old. The revival preacher asked the question, "If you were to die today, would you be going to heaven to see your loved ones? If you cannot answer yes to that question, you need come down and accept Christ as your savior." Mom told me that she realized she couldn't say yes, and tried to go down front, but grandma (mom's mother) stopped her. She tried again going a different direction, but grandma stopped her again. She tried explaining, but grandma refused to listen. So, mom did the only thing she could do. She got down on her hands and knees to crawl on all fours under the pews to the front of the church where she accepted Christ as her Lord and Savior. That story has always inspired me to never let anyone stop me from professing my faith and to speak with boldness and confidence when speaking of Christ. Mom had told me that story several times growing up. Little did I know until mom died that there was more to the story. Dad didn't even know the rest until days before mom died and she told him what happened when she got home from church. Grandma was fuming. She was angry and sent Grandpa (mom's dad) to the store for something mundane, like bread and eggs or the like. She claimed she needed them to fix dinner. After he left, she took mother down to the basement, stripped her naked, and tied her wrists to a pole in the basement before whipping her for lying before the church and God. I want to have a chance to meet Dr. White, and I'm going to tell him that story. I want to see his face when I ask him what the purpose was for God ordaining that a mother whip and beat her five year old daughter for accepting Christ as her Lord and Savior.
This was OUTSTANDING! perfectly allowing the cognitive dissonance that is required for this awful, prideful, “theology” to be put in full display. THANK YOU.
"there's not one rogue toot or random belch" absolutely brilliant Idol Killer. The next time I see "that's not what we believe" I'll be redirecting promptly to this honest video.
True, consistent, Calvinism in a nutshell…Great content here, even if some of it is hard to hear…I shudder when I listen to the assertions of Calvinism disparaging a Holy God…Again, great stuff Warren.
so dark, but so true. this really impresses how much calvinism isn't just some intellectual debate, but is an evil idea, believed by some well meaning people.
I agree totally but I think they’re not well meaning. They want money and prestige just like the typical televangelist. They appeal to the mind and ego instead of the wallet and bank account.
@@bobbyadkins6983 while the health and wealth teachers draw a crowd while promising money and health, the Calvinists teachers make their followers feel superior with what they have learned. Pride with the intellect. Same trap but different bait
@@bobbyadkins6983 amen to that! It does tremendous damage and almost destroyed me. It caused me to believe that God was evil and liked hurting people and those who got into it innocently as I did will likely be led to this belief if they stay in it long enough.
Dude I lost my marbles at “thank you for allowing me to hold diametrically opposed beliefs… simultaneously” For real. Calvinism has talked its way into utter chaos and confusion. A word salad to rule them all.
Regarding “thank you for allowing me to hold diametrically opposed beliefs… simultaneously”: schizophrenia is at the heart of Calvinism. Calvin was the first one to embrace it, and his disciples cannot help but immitate their idol. Unfortunately, they forfeit their logic. Otherwise it would be plain to them that if everything is determined, then we should stop talking about good and evil. It is the end of ethics and morality. If everything is determined, what there is, is good. However, we know that they cannot live with this system. In real life they live as if Calvinism is not true.
@@andrab1287 But if all is not known by God, from the beginning to the end, why call him omniscient? Doesn't that mean all-knowing? Are you implying that God is not the first cause of creation? You seem to exalt in self righteous choice. By that, I mean that if you choose to believe by your own liberty, and are then saved, was that choice "good" as opposed to "bad"... morally speaking? And if you believe that choosing Christ is "good", then those who choose not to believe are making a "bad" choice... logically, correct? So then you are saved by being morally superior to unbelievers? Or in other words, more righteous than they are. Isn't moral superiority unethical? And while we are on the subject of diametrically opposed beliefs, if you do not believe in both, God's sovereignty and man's responsibility, tell me...which part of the Scripture are you denying exactly? Because both are clearly taught.
@@dannypomeroy3198 Hi Danny, you raise several points. I will address them in the order you raised them. 1. "But if all is not known by God, from the beginning to the end, why call him omniscient? Doesn't that mean all-knowing? Are you implying that God is not the first cause of creation? " Answer: God is omniscient, but not in the way Calvinism defines the omniscience of God. Sorry, but as with many other concepts of the Bible, Calvinism uses the same word, but gives it a different meaning in order to fit its twisted 5 points system (TULIP). If the Bible says something else than TULIP, then Calvinism will simply twist the meaning of that word/concept (redefine it). What does Calvinism mean by omniscient? It means that God has to determine something in order to fully know before happening what will happen. Unless He determines, He doesn't know! Sorry, but this is not being omniscient at all. It is a very limited conception of omniscience. What the Bible means by God being omniscient is the fact that God knows ALL future events (including free will men' choices) WITHOUT determining all of them before hand. I know this is difficult to grasp. But this is so because the God of the Bible is so much higher and greater than the god of Calvinism. God decided to create man after His image, and this means He gave man free will, among other moral attributes. God has free will and created man in His image, with free will. Why is it so difficult to understand this ? The Bible is clear about this if you put aside the Calvinist glasses (the TULIP system). Is God the first cause of creation ? Of course he is. But what happened in the garden of Eden (the wrong choice of Adam and Eve) and the subsequent course of events is not God's doing (as Calvinism implies since God determines everything), but the result of the wrong choices of this free will agent that is the human being. Exactely because human beings are free to chose (they are able by creation to chose to do good and also to chose to do evil), God is correct to hold them responsible for their choices. 2. "You seem to exalt in self righteous choice. By that, I mean that if you choose to believe by your own liberty, and are then saved, was that choice "good" as opposed to "bad"... morally speaking? And if you believe that choosing Christ is "good", then those who choose not to believe are making a "bad" choice... logically, correct? So then you are saved by being morally superior to unbelievers? Or in other words, more righteous than they are. Isn't moral superiority unethical? " Answer: Sorry, but you are wrong about the reasons/motivations you impute me. Nothing you said is true. I do not "exalt in self righteous choice", and I am not "saved by being morally superior to unbelievers". I am saved by God's grace through faith. It is God's doing, but God requires a condition from human beings, and that is faith. This faith is not manipulated by the God of the Bible as the god of Calvinists does. In Calvinism God plays at both ends: He determines who will be saved, then He gives faith to the elected through regeneration. This is not faith at all in the sense that Bible defines it. Faith in the biblical sense means that you are presented with the evidence and called to accept that evidence because it is the truth. This is how the gospel is (or should be preached). God does not get around neither our reason, nor our will when He calls us (even commands us) to believe the gospel. God commands human beings to repent and believe because they are able to do so. ALL of them, not only those who were pre-programmed to do so (as in Calvinism). When I repented and believed, I simply used my God-given abilities (free will) to obey God's command. Where did you get the idea that I "exalt in self righteous choice" or that I have "moral superiority"? 3. "And while we are on the subject of diametrically opposed beliefs, if you do not believe in both, God's sovereignty and man's responsibility, tell me...which part of the Scripture are you denying exactly? Because both are clearly taught." Answer: Sorry, here again we have a problem with the way Calvinism defines words, namely God's sovereignty: in Calvinism in order for God to be sovereign, man cannot have free will. This is a wrong definition of sovereignty. To really be sovereign means you are able to set the rules + you decide what is good and what is evil in the universe. And this is exactly what the God of the Bible does: He works out the salvation (Christ dies on the cross for the sins of ALL individuals), then God sets the rules regarding salvation (faith in Christ) and He decides the end for believers (being with Jesus in heaven) and for unbelievers (they go to hell because they REFUSED to believe in Jesus = accept the price He paid for anyone's sins). Guess what ?! The fact that human beings have free will (because God created them in such a way) does not challenge God's real sovereignty and God is not less sovereign because some human beings chose what He already declared to be evil. They will receive in the end what God decided for them. Those who go against the universe (God's rules) get splinters! In conclusion: I support both God's sovereignty and man's responsibility, but as the Bible defines them and not as Calvinism defines them. Calvinism is a huge misrepresentation of the Bible and of God's character.
@@dannypomeroy3198 Hi Danny, you raise several points. I will address them in the order you raised them. 1. "But if all is not known by God, from the beginning to the end, why call him omniscient? Doesn't that mean all-knowing? Are you implying that God is not the first cause of creation? " Answer: God is omniscient, but not in the way Calvinism defines the omniscience of God. Sorry, but as with many other concepts of the Bible, Calvinism uses the same word, but gives it a different meaning in order to fit its twisted 5 points system (TULIP). If the Bible says something else than TULIP, then Calvinism will simply twist the meaning of that word/concept (redefine it). What does Calvinism mean by omniscient? It means that God has to determine something in order to fully know before happening what will happen. Unless He determines, He doesn't know! Sorry, but this is not being omniscient at all. It is a very limited conception of omniscience. What the Bible means by God being omniscient is the fact that God knows ALL future events (including free will men' choices) WITHOUT determining all of them before hand. I know this is difficult to grasp. But this is so because the God of the Bible is so much higher and greater than the god of Calvinism. God decided to create man after His image, and this means He gave man free will, among other moral attributes. God has free will and created man in His image, with free will. Why is it so difficult to understand this ? The Bible is clear about this if you put aside the Calvinist glasses (the TULIP system). Is God the first cause of creation ? Of course he is. But what happened in the garden of Eden (the wrong choice of Adam and Eve) and the subsequent course of events is not God's doing (as Calvinism implies since God determines everything), but the result of the wrong choices of this free will agent that is the human being. Exactely because human beings are free to chose (they are able by creation to chose to do good and also to chose to do evil), God is correct to hold them responsible for their choices. 2. "You seem to exalt in self righteous choice. By that, I mean that if you choose to believe by your own liberty, and are then saved, was that choice "good" as opposed to "bad"... morally speaking? And if you believe that choosing Christ is "good", then those who choose not to believe are making a "bad" choice... logically, correct? So then you are saved by being morally superior to unbelievers? Or in other words, more righteous than they are. Isn't moral superiority unethical? " Answer: Sorry, but you are wrong about the reasons/motivations you impute me. Nothing you said is true. I do not "exalt in self righteous choice", and I am not "saved by being morally superior to unbelievers". I am saved by God's grace through faith. It is God's doing, but God requires a condition from human beings, and that is faith. This faith is not manipulated by the God of the Bible as the god of Calvinists does. In Calvinism God plays at both ends: He determines who will be saved, then He gives faith to the elected through regeneration. This is not faith at all in the sense that Bible defines it. Faith in the biblical sense means that you are presented with the evidence and called to accept that evidence because it is the truth. This is how the gospel is (or should be preached). God does not get around neither our reason, nor our will when He calls us (even commands us) to believe the gospel. God commands human beings to repent and believe because they are able to do so. ALL of them, not only those who were pre-programmed to do so (as in Calvinism). When I repented and believed, I simply used my God-given abilities (free will) to obey God's command. Where did you get the idea that I "exalt in self righteous choice" or that I have "moral superiority"? 3. "And while we are on the subject of diametrically opposed beliefs, if you do not believe in both, God's sovereignty and man's responsibility, tell me...which part of the Scripture are you denying exactly? Because both are clearly taught." Answer: Sorry, here again we have a problem with the way Calvinism defines words, namely God's sovereignty: in Calvinism in order for God to be sovereign, man cannot have free will. This is a wrong definition of sovereignty. To really be sovereign means you are able to set the rules + you decide what is good and what is evil in the universe. And this is exactly what the God of the Bible does: He works out the salvation (Christ dies on the cross for the sins of ALL individuals), then God sets the rules regarding salvation (faith in Christ) and He decides the end for believers (being with Jesus in heaven) and for unbelievers (they go to hell because they REFUSED to believe in Jesus = accept the price He paid for anyone's sins). Guess what ?! The fact that human beings have free will (because God created them in such a way) does not challenge God's real sovereignty and God is not less sovereign because some human beings chose what He already declared to be evil. They will receive in the end what God decided for them. Those who go against the universe (God's rules) get splinters! In conclusion: I support both God's sovereignty and man's responsibility, but as the Bible defines them and not as Calvinism defines them. Calvinism is a huge misrepresentation of the Bible and of God's character.
@@dannypomeroy3198God is all knowing yes that does not mean he is the cause of evil. He can know and hate what a person is going to do and guess what... that person will be judged. God is the creator the first cause nothing surprised him only Calvinists conflate that to mean he is the author of all the evil he himself forbids and expresses clear rage and anger towards. Your beliefs make God out to be mad at none other but himself or you say God is the author of evil but also innocent because he's God. You reduce God's holiness down to the level of a mere loophole he exploits like some self absorbed dictator of some failed state, breaking his own laws and declaring himself innocent. The Bible clearly shows us that God is not the author, nor the temptor and not pleased with sin. As for the moral position this is a issue only you Calvinists struggle with because you move the work of Salvation from what is already done on the cross to another individualistic issue all because of your total depravity doctrine. You struggle with the idea that some will choose Christ and some won't and if that makes a person superior or not, you struggle with it because of your doctrine of unconditional election, limited atonement and an idea that conflates election itself higher than the cross of Christ. The Cross is the cause of Salvation I believe my coming to Christ is possible for literally everyone and not because I was elected and everyone else was purposed for eternal damnation. You tell me what one of those ideas sounds like the one with the superiority complex? Also we do not struggle with the idea of God's sovereignty and man's free will because we have to been taught an incorrect definition of sovereignty or free will. God's sovereignty being the source of free will does not clash with God's sovereignty. Nobody gets away with anything you will have to give an account for every deed, you are free to choose your deeds but you are not free from the consequences thereof. We have no conflict with Man's responsibility because it stands in its proper place next to our understanding of God's sovereignty and free will. Of course you are responsible for what you do with your free will according to God's sovereignty because he didn't just give us free will he gave us laws and commands he gave Adam and Eve a command they broke and they where punished it's quite simple to us. Our freedom does not supersede God's sovereignty. Now explain to us how God is directly in control, the designer and orchestrator of the sin a man would do and the man who had no choice to do anything different is responsible for it. Yea we know it's one of your boy Calvin's mysteries. He gets to the logical conclusions of his own doctrine and hits a wall and just says it's a mystery instead of father forgive me for accusing your holiness for such evil.
"...whatsoever comes to pass; yet so as that God is not the author of evil and you should just take our word for it; pay no attention to the logical contradictions behind the curtain." - A rough draft of the Westminster Confession of Faith found in the garbage can.
Teddy Saccharides needs to take a long vacation in a safe facility... up there screaming like a madman about God ordering people to commit adultery... 😂
"When [God] wants to, [God] orders those to commit adultery, when HE wants to!" -Theodore Zachariadas "Evil is NOT good. BUT, it is good, that there IS evil." -R.C Sproul Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of reformed theologians! How unsearchable are the Doctrines of Grace, & how inscrutable the divine gnosis! ☦️
What a beautiful way to display how disgusting these doctrines really are. Thank God He’s so much better than who they claim He is! I have been telling my wife over the last year, that I am becoming convinced that Lucifer is the “god” behind the curtain in Calvinism… I’m just finding it harder and harder to sugarcoat it. This is definitely the best Honest Calvinist video yet! Great job as usual Warren!
Man, this hits so hard, it's actually heartbreaking when it is put so plainly what these so called godly men are teaching innocent young Christians that just want to know truth, and they're taught this disgusting vile garbage by these deceived men. When I listen to these men teach, I can't help but feel like this god they preach about is their own delusional super hero, that is just swinging his sword of justice any way he feels like, damning anyone he feels like, crushing whoever he feels like, but is completely justified by this horrific behavior, it's like they really enjoy this type of god that serves out this fantasy in their heads, it's sick. Keep pushing truth Warren, and I love that you present it without their wrapper of warmth that they try and use, it's just the ugly truth of their system. " for by thy words thou shall be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned"
@@r.rodriguez4991 I had to fearfully consider whether or not I was even saved when I came out of Calvinism... I realized being in error didn't necessarily mean I hadn't trusted in God... just that I didn't know Him all that well.
@@IdolKiller At what point does that change. Say someone is "in error" and teaches people that God is okay with homosexuality? Is that person still a Christian? The Bible is just as clear on homosexuality as it is on determinism. So what's the difference? I'm not asking to be ugly. I genuinely want to know where the line gets drawn. Which teachings can you be in error about and which can you not? I think teaching people that God determines little children to be molested and mutilated is a little too far gone. That is actually slandering God.
@@IdolKiller “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8-9
@@r.rodriguez4991 “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8-9
I sure am glad that one random toot or belch can’t rob me of my salvation 😂 Every time I watch this video I enjoy something new about it. Keep up the good work!
This is true, and it breaks my heart for all of my calvinist friends, so many of them are, and even the ones who aren't are convinced of a lot of their doctrines or see them as not big differences.
I thank and praise God for you and your channel Warren. I started to get sucked into the Calvinist way of thinking and through Prayer and reading my Bible and listening to teachers like yourself, Dr Flowers, Provisionist Perspective, BTF and my own Pastor at Church I quickly saw Yahweh as a loving Father not the abhorrent moral monster these people seem, and teach us, to believe Him to be. Thank you for your great work, God bless
Wow! These guys who are elevated to such high positions within the Protestant Christian world (my world) are straight up unapologetic blasphemers. Keep this videos up. God bless you! Thank you for exposing the utter insanity and evil theology that is hidden by the vague Calvinist sermons of the everyday pastors. Who is more devilish within the Calvinist system? God or Satan?
@@dannypomeroy3198 😆 😂 Satan quoted scripture too, maybe God determined you be under some delusion about what His words says. Guess we will never be able to actually know, sense we are preprogrammed
What this video demonstrates is that Calvinists *HAVE NO SHAME,* they have no fear of *BLASPHEME,* they have no *DISCERNMENT,* and that they worship and believe in the doctrines of John Calvin and the Westminster Confession more than they worship and believe in GOD and HIS autobiography the Bible.
"Only God can change people's hearts. Also go and spread this message and wonder why people are asking people to do something they're incapable of doing."
Yeah,... I just couldn't let the thing end on that kind of blasphemy. There is hope, as God is good and in Him there is no variation or shifting shadow!
I am forwarding this to every person I know who is currently being seduced by the lies of Calvinist thinking/teaching,. You practice no deceit and let them expose themself using their own statements. Thank You & God bless
That’s good that you are trying to show your calvinist friends, but must times they have a proof text to reply back, or they won’t watch it… I only know from experience- they’re deceived and blind😞 but I’m praying your friends eyes will be opened!
What helped me turn from evil Calvinism this year is I was tempted to hate God for being so evil and mean. I begin to see him as enjoying evil and bringing pain because of bad things happening in my life. Forgive for saying this, but this got me thinking at the time, “God is worse than the devil or maybe he is the devil!” That extreme thinking got me to come to my senses. I think that’s what gets people to leave the deception is when they realize their belief system makes them think God is as evil as the devil if not worse. I’ll pray for the people you know because unless they are the big wigs like the guys on this video making alot of money, they are mentally suffering in Calvinism as I was. Thank God I’m out of that most evil belief system.
Another awesome HC video, another comment section full of raving Calvinists stung into treating their own doctrine as if it were false by complaining about the video. Keep 'em coming, brother!
Warren your best spoof yet. Unlike your other appreciated spoofs, this is actually sad. It’s so revealing and compiled in sequence that it’s hard to deny the logical trajectory and conclusion of 5 point consistent Calvinism Scary stuff, praying it will penetrate the right targets. Blessings Bro to you and your family ✌️
Amen‼️ LoL🤪 I can’t remember where I found this, but here is another Honest Calvinist Prayer: "Lord, I am unchangeably decreed by You to pray that You unchangeably maintain what You have unchangeably decided from eternity past. Amen."
When October 7 happened, I was thrown back by the indifference of SOME Calvinist leaders, and so I got more curious about them, I’ve never been a Calvinist, so this little video is the richest little trove of face-planting jaw dropping Calvinism that I’ve ever seen. Mind blown.
The best way to refute the lies of any doctrine of demons is to mock them by taking them to their logical conclusion. I must confess the decree of the number of thrusts made me snarf my coffee.
Warren, I am so thankful for the videos that God has sovereignly and divinely predestined for you to make. It is in the nature of the wisest god to predestine the damned as well as elect to, at times affirm his totally sovereign nature, and at other times disprove and even denigrate his sovereign nature. Anything else would fall short of the wisest counsel.
This is one of those comments that could either be dead serious, or absolute sarcasm... and I am totally unable to tell the difference, so I'm hearting it for that reason.
@IdolKiller Thanks, I was trying for that. Though, wouldn't that be the case for any consistent prayer said by someone affirming EDD? Whether they pray thanking God for good or praising him for forcing his creation and even his own believers to do great evil? I think that clip from Sonny about God ordering kings to commit adultery in his debate with Leighton could be misunderstood if someone didn't know the context. At first I thought he was trying to demonstrate that that was just a caricture of calvinists only to try and disprove the idea that God literally chooses the evil that people does only to find out that it was just a real EDD apologist making a comment, which was consistent with his doctorine. I was shocked. I think this series of yours, along with the real quotes that you provide, really proves that some doctorine don't even need to be refuted; it just needs to be clearly stated. This honest calvinist series has been a true gem.
I think they are afraid of actually believing God is love and good… like that would be way too “scandalous”…almost the other polar extreme end of a “progressive Christian”… it’s sad they are missing out in actually knowing how AMAZING Jesus is He is SO good and we get so desensitized to hearing that that it sounds cliche. But God has been showing me His pure goodness and I just can’t describe it any other way other than He is so PURE. This is just so dark, it is such a twist, it is such a deception and it’s so crafty and I can see how people could get slowly wrapped up in it… but it is not the LORD, I can hardly take listening to these guys talk about Jesus like they know Him when HE IS NOT THIS. This is not who He IS. I’m begging for people to understand. Thank you Warren for this video I’m begging and praying for people to WAKE UP and come to the light and be free and know Jesus!! “Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. But the wisdom that is from above is first *pure* , then *peaceable* , *gentle* , *willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy* . Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.” James 3:13-18
First, and most definitely foremost, I agree with everything presented. It's a rare thing to hear the often hidden truth of Calvinism put so clearly on display. The ONE THING that continues to plague me is trying to understand how so many Biblically knowledgeable men, such as MacArthur, Piper, Vocham, Peters, Sproul et al remain convinced of their theology's truth. Put more plainly, how can they willingly redefine God's words such as all, whosoever, world, will (as in, "will be saved), everyone and many others regarding salvation? Perhaps I'll never understand or get a viable answer!
Dunno if this is the core answer or not, but I always assumed it was because they overlay their philosophy atop the scriptures, then proceed to eisegete their viewpoints out of them. For example, if I assume Augustinian Determinism to be true, then I have no choice but to read Matthew 6:44 as meaning that only those whom God effectually draws will be saved.
It is good for people to come to grips with what they actually teach and believe. There is no better way to help people see the error of their ways than to show what there leaders actually and clearly state.
I really wanted this to be funny. I looked for places to inject humor... but given the topic, I just couldn't. I try to balance criticism with laughter, but this topic is so heavy, perhaps it is best treated with more respect than I would otherwise handle other issues.
@@IdolKiller it has that sense or appearance initially of being humorous, it sets up that expectation, then quickly it makes you think oh wow ok this is pretty dark humor, this is going to offend calvinists and also be immediately mocked and rejected and "refuted" by them because they won't take it seriously intellectually but just see it as some uneducated anti calvinist joke/insult that doesn't land because it's "not real calvinism"... but then just as quickly, it goes from this might be funny or is attempting humor, to wow ok this is some dark humor (maybe perceived as an immature and exaggerated insult that doesn't offer a serious critique), to simply; holy crap this is dark and is using sarcasm to strip away ALL of the theological intellectual and philosophical veneer and cut straight to the heart of things and truly expose the UGLY EVIL DEPRAVED heart of calvinism. And it maintains that for minutes on end, continuing to essentially come across like this is dark humor but you the viewer know, and I know, this isn't funny at all given the subject and the actual claims and implications. The fact that it's not "funny" ends up seeming like the entire point... It's like hey, if I satirize calvinism but with brutal honesty and insight into the root of it, this is the only possible outcome, and what you get is not light humor but a clear picture of a lie of Satan, a mind of a devil, that's persisted for some 1500 years, and if this is true, the fact that so many hold to this system is truly terrifying, and the insidiousness of Satan is terrifying. Ultimately I think that, instead of being just normal typical satire, which requires some truth to be effective, it says no... This is satire, but instead let's dial the truth up to 11, to the point where in form it IS satire, but what is exposed is so twisted and devilish that the effect of the satire ceases to be humor but just an utter exposing and reckoning for calvinism, and an utterly brutal mirror for the calvinist who's capable of hearing the truth. It's like saying, hey this might not be what you THINK you believe, but look at yourself - or look at this reflection of the pure honest unadulterated calvinist mind, the system unmasked... This is what it looks like. Calvinism puts on a lot of respectable and convincing masks made out of lofty or falsely humble words, but when they're stripped away, this is straight from hell, and it's truly a fearful marvel that any Christian would believe such a lie... God help us. The ending is the redemption, both literally (spiritually) and for the video, to bring us back from satire to truth and seriousness, and was the only fitting ending, and demonstrating the true motive of the video, which can only be described as a brutal expose, through a truly dark satire... But there is not even a hint of exaggeration; calvinism was just stripped naked on stage in front of everyone, and what we saw was so ugly it can hardly be looked upon. Extremely effective emotionally, I can only pray it can have an affect on some Calvinists not as sold out as the men on the screen.
"The ὑπὲρ πάντων, “for all things” (neut., not masc., as understood by Theodor.), is taken by many in its widest possible extent, as including things evil as well as good. The Epistle does not deal, however, particularly with the sufferings of the Christian, but with what he receives from God and what his consequent duty is. It is most accordant, therefore, with the context to understand the πάντων as referring to all the blessings of the Christian, the whole good that comes to him from God." Expositor's Greek Testament "We are told to give thanks to God for all His gifts. For God has stooped low to adopt us through Christ his own Son, through whom we know God. We have learned that God, being Spirit, is to be adored in the Spirit. So we submit ourselves to one another out of reverence for Christ, who commanded us to pursue humility." Ambrosiaster Is child r@p3 a gift from God or are you reading this into the text? Should the child thank God during or after? Should the perpetrator lift up a prayer during or after? "God keeps believers from sinning against him, and engages them to submit one to another in all he has commanded, to promote his glory, and to fulfil their duties to each other." Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary Does God keep believers from sinning against Him, or does He eternally and unchangeably decree they sin against Him? Are we to give thanks for God decreeing us to sin against Him? "Giving thanks always - This is probably designed to be connected with the preceding verse, and to denote that the proper subject of psalms and hymns is thanksgiving and praise. This is indeed always the main design, and should be so regarded; and this part of worship should be so conducted as to keep up in the heart a lively sense of the mercy and goodness of God. For all things - ὑπὲρ πάντων huper pantōn - for all things, or all "persons." Dr. Barrow supposes that the meaning here is, that they were to give thanks for "all persons," and to regard themselves as under obligations to give thanks for the mercies bestowed upon "the human race"... Barnes' Notes on the Bible Did God bestow mercy upon the human race, or merely the Calvinist elect who were eternally secure? I see the verse as teaching us to expect God to redeem the evils done contrary to His will and this is cause for thankfulness... not that we are to thank Him for evil.
Although this might be considered a bit over the top by some, it accurately reflects the sometimes openly proclaimed but often ignorantly overlooked underlying assumptions and truths of Calvinism. I hope and pray the moderate and humble Calvinist can begin to see the flaws in their theological system.
This is so well done! Nevertheless… “You don’t understand Calvinism!” “This is a straw man representation of Calvinism!” “Calvinists don’t believe this!” “John MacArthur didn’t say that!” “You’re taking these men out of context!”
Warren, I really love this series. I do wish you hadn't had the thrusting comments though; I would share it with people, but it's a bit too explicit. It paints a picture I really don't want to paint in people's minds (or, in my own, for that matter). This isn't to say it isn't an accurate presentation of what they believe--it certainly is. If you posted a version that altered that line, I would share it widely. In any case, keep these up. They really highlight the insanity that Calvinists believe.
It is a disgusting claim and I hate to have to address it... but I hate even more the idea of someone who suffered such a thing thinking God decreed it, when the truth is He is grieved over it and angry and there will be justice. It's this sort of teaching that the enemy uses to lead so many from the faith and their loving Father.
@@IdolKiller True. I grieve for the loved ones of those murdered by the trans person in Nashville hearing that in their Sunday sermon following the tragedy and in their private 'counseling' at the Presbyterian church where it happened. It bears pointing out.
As an adult victim of very early childhood SA, I endorse this message. SA is way uglier than a "thrusting " analogy. Share this video! Call a spade a spade.
This is war. War is ugly. Warren said what is true. Don't soften it to smooth out the horror of it.That is why the cancer of Calvinism has been allowed into every almost every Church. No one wanted to make waves and call a spade a spade.
eh... I had a different version where an AI figure prayed what is written in the video description above. The figure looked and sounded like James White, and I didn't want it to seem mean spirited, or give the Calvinist an excuse to ignore the claims and entailments of their system... so I took that version down, rethought the whole concept and started over.... arriving at this instead.
@@IdolKiller I kept thinking how the image of the man looked so like Moron pictures. I really think it was important at the end to use those powerful scriptures. I am going to save this video for future viewing and inspiration. It would be nice to have the whole video in text form. Truth in Love
Great video Warren! I will always be mind blown that anyone could believe this heretical teaching of Calvinism, especially well educated men with doctorates! It seems like the “smarter” people are, the less likely they can grasp what the one true gospel is, and what the Bible actually teaches. God help them!🙏🏻
@@JustBCWi lol I don’t even know what you mean by true Scotsman, but the Bible teaches Jesus died for ALL, that doesn’t mean SOME sinners, but for all sinners. No one is predestined to go to hell or heaven! God KNOWS who’s going to accept or reject Jesus, but He’s not a tyrant- He’s a good and just God Who also allows us to make a choice. We’re not robots.
@@IdolKiller this stuff is so brutal but true it had me cracking up. It lived up to the anticipation. this is brilliant stuff you did. And I don't feel like you went out of line or anything it feels like you stayed within bounds.
@@IdolKiller you kind of remind me of media bear with the Brilliance in your humor. I'm not sure if you heard of him but I think he's one of the best artist there is
@@IdolKiller I guess the thing I like about it is that you're funny constructive and edifying and I don't get the sense that you're doing this really make fun of people but it's to help them see how ridiculous they are being when you take everything they say to its logical conclusion. So in actuality you're just trying to help them amp prevent others from falling into the same insane thinking
Calvinist, before you claim this is a misrepresentation or misunderstanding of Calvinism, explain the specific points that you disagree with.
very well said..
Sorry you've been predestined to not understand anyway, why bother?
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I can only say this clear picture of what calvinism truly is.... is ugh so sick, but actually what they actually believe😢
It is evil for a god or for anyone else to force another life form into the type of existence where they will suffer against their will because they might not want to exist in the type of existence where they will suffer against their will. And it is also immoral and irresponsible to force another life form into existence when you don't know what will happen to them in this life or in the perhaps possible afterlife.
We could ask the same thing about preaching the gospel.
If everyone is either predestined to be unable to believe, or predestined to believe no matter what, then why preach the Gospel?
Also, if we’re predestined not to become Calvinists, why do Calvinists try to convince us?
With a god like that, you don’t need Satan.
This is literally true. What is Satan's place in the story of the cosmos if God already authored all the evil?
Great point
If Calvinism is true, Satan would just be another victim
Calvinist Prayer: "Thank you, God, for my sin. I couldn't have done it without you."
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This might sound a bit dramatic, however, I actually started crying when I got about half way through this video, I'm a former Jehovah's Witness for 25 years, when I received Christ as my God and Savior at the age of 43 I attended Jeff Durbins Church, Apologia. I truly am heartbroken that I allowed myself to be fooled AGAIN by an interpretation of the Bible that is so wicked. I'll never be able to thank you enough Warren for this particular series (HC) it's truly hitting home for me, from one brother in Christ to another, I love you and the work you're doing to help people just like me.
God bless you
Thank you! Keep your eyes on Christ and if you begin to sink, cry out. He's there, able and willing. Celebrate in discovering error and be zealous in pursuing truth.
@@IdolKiller Amen!!
Just don't swing the other direction to Arminianism. Eternal security is true, Calvinism is a lie.
Jeff Durbin always seemed to act extremely cocky in his videos. He wasn’t like that in person was he?
@@tracy197 Jeff is a charitable person for sure! You're right
I don't think I need to make any more videos answering Calvinism. I'm just going to start sending this to people.
If people watch this video and still shut their eyes and ears and refuse to let go of this strange idol to start following Jesus, I don’t know if there’s a lot more we can do. I’m genuinely asking, are we casting pearls at swine at some point? 😬 I hate to say it but I spend so much emotional energy and time trying to thoughtfully reason with these people and also unravel all the Bible verses that have literally been twisted through this false doctrine that I’m honestly beginning to realize if even this video cannot get through to them, I don’t even know if it’s wise for me spiritually to keep pouring into cleaning up this mess and sorting though all the weeds. I’m getting tired 😔😔 I’m so tired of trying to convince Calvinists of Christianity. I just want to share the light and hope and good news and talk about Jesus and if someone doesn’t want to believe it then I actually think I am just going to send this video and shake the dust off my feet and move on. I won’t stop praying though.
Love u in Christ Jordan!!
@@Loves2HugItOut I get your point and I feel the same way many times. However, remember that these people are enslaved by Satan to believe a lie, just as it happens in any cult. It is not only an intelectual issue, it is the fact that their mind is under a dark spell, a stronghold. Therfore, they need spiritual deliverance.
If someone comes to you with honest questions, then give him/her what the Bible says. Otherwise, only pray. If they seek the truth, God will make it clear to them. Thrust God and the power truth/gospel has to set people free.
I do not have a Calvinist background. I was an atheist, a Nazi, and a yoga practitioner. Satan has so many false doctrines and traps to enslave people. What helped me find the truth is that I was looking for the truth. Of course God worked in my heart to do so, but He does it with all people. I remember telling myself when I was doing yoga: "this is not the truth". And I continued to search for the truth. When the gospel was presented to me, I accepted it and rejoiced, because it was cristal clear that it is the truth. So, people will accept the truth if they receive the love of the truth God gives each and every person. Otherwise, they prefer their lies.
@@andrab1287 thanks
I know you are kidding, but you are doing great work also, keep it up.
@@Loves2HugItOut Perseverance. Prayer. Gently ask them questions. It will be very difficult for you as a woman to debate irrationally discuss with these types of men. Calvinism is hyper-masculinized theology. All about control. Fear based. They cannot allow a sound & balanced masculine/feminine theology.
Wow this really opened my eyes. I think I was a Calvinist by default because I so admired and respected teachers such as John Macarthur and Justin Peters. And while I still respect those men as sincere and well meaning, I can no longer support their theology on these matters. Their own words condemn them...just as they condemn God as the author of all evil.
Why respect false teachers who are spreading lies? Would Jesus respect them, or call them whitewashed sepulchers?
@@janethammond5925 Same here...I was a long time subscriber to Justin's channel until I heard him say what seemed like his own spin on the angel appearing to the shepherds in the gospel of Luke, to announce the good news of the birth of Christ. The Bible doesn't mention how many shepherds there were but, I'm thinking a true Calvinist might've said, "Behold, I bring you (but not you, or you, or the other one over there) good news..." Doesn't make much sense to me.
@littleredhen2894 Yes well said. One other thing that really bothered me was an video Justin did on pornography addiction. Not because of the subject matter, but the sneering contempt he showed towards those caught up in it. No Christian man involved in this sin does so without a tortured conscience, and a longing to be free. Yet if they watched this Justin Peters episode they'd have been in utter despair. Yes it's a serious sin and he does give biblical advice at the end, but for the majority of the video it's like a marathon of condemnation. I can only imagine the hopelessness of those who were already in anguish over their sin.
I laughed for the first 5 minutes. But then the reality of the words set in, and I was nearly brought to tears.
I genuinely almost threw up in my mouth when he talked about ordained thrusts.
It was funny til it wasn't.
Agree about laughing and crying
The laughing was very short lived. Then I got really upset, that they would dare preach such utter devilish lies about our Lord - who paid the highest price so that we would NOT be condemned!
Amazing job!!!!! Thank you!!!
My 16 year old stopped the video at the end before the Bible verses and said, “Mom, these men are worse than the Pharisees.” Wow!
We are dealing with Calvinism all around us. It’s so sad and angering.
It’s because they are Pharisees and are money hungry and full of pride. Good for your 16 year old!
Resistable Grace isn't love either. Human beings do not possess the ability to live a sinless life so you're going to spend the rest of your life afraid of not being good enough to get into Heaven. It's two deeply maltheistic systems.
Stop teaching your son Wong to read your Bible. Be come, Born-again Christian, Born-again Christian. You must not be filled with the Holy Spirit and been deceived.
They are absolutely worse than the Pharisees. Pharisaic like behavior exists everywhere and you will find it in other churches too.
But Calvinism is the inversion of truth.
I grew up listening to these men but I have not been able to listen to them for years now. I cannot stand to hear the lies that come out of their mouths..
Yes!!! I had to stop a debate early on the cessationist position just felt like the devil talking to me
I love the way you phrased it
Total Inability-unable to listen to a liar
My favorite video I’ve watched from you Warren. This really helps people see the deception of Calvinism.
@@ManassehJones so this is a praise point?
@@ManassehJonesLotta extra-Biblical vocabulary there. "Effectual calling", "Self-Determinist", "judicial hardening". You Calvinists are very big on that, aren't you?
@@TyehimbaJahsiSo you are saying that Gods calling is not effectual but you are the final arbiter of Gods calling. You guys are big on that, aren’t you.
@@ManassehJones Manny, God could literally throw open the heavens right now and tell you to your face "YOU are wrong".... and you'd go to your friends afterwards and claim "God has changed my name to Wrong Jones. Now let me continue telling you why determinism is the gospel."
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As brother Leighton says, some things don’t need to be refuted just clearly stated. Excellent video brother Warren.
Leighton and widget etc. just believe the opposite half truth.
Typo: *Winger*
0:45 The quote from MacArthur about unbelievers being unable to believe the Truth just because it *is* just *has* to take the wind out of your evangelistic sails.
Very well done Warren.
Thanks!
“This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light, and there is absolutely no darkness in him.” (CSb)
Great work for exposing dark side of reformed mind…
Amen!!!
With just one powerful Scripture reference in James 1, the philosophical bent of Calvinism and that blasphemous prayer was totally dismantled! With such clarity of presentation, the falseness of Calvinism is once again exposed! More power Sir Warren!
Thanks
Thank you!
This is your best one yet. It contains so many real quotes from Calvinists and then teaches the truth from the Bible at the end all in a bite sized video. Thank you for this and well done!
This brought me to tears in the end. Thank you. ❤
I will never understand Dr. White's objection to the idea that Sin and Evil must be ordained by God because otherwise it would be purposeless. That makes no sense to me. Why does evil and sin have to have a purpose? Does the bad guy have to have a reason for being a bad guy?
There's a story my dad told me after my mom died.
My mom was a beautiful christian woman, strong in her faith, and ever so loving. She's always been an inspiration to me. She told me about the day she got saved. It was at a revival at her church, and she was five years old. The revival preacher asked the question, "If you were to die today, would you be going to heaven to see your loved ones? If you cannot answer yes to that question, you need come down and accept Christ as your savior." Mom told me that she realized she couldn't say yes, and tried to go down front, but grandma (mom's mother) stopped her. She tried again going a different direction, but grandma stopped her again. She tried explaining, but grandma refused to listen. So, mom did the only thing she could do. She got down on her hands and knees to crawl on all fours under the pews to the front of the church where she accepted Christ as her Lord and Savior.
That story has always inspired me to never let anyone stop me from professing my faith and to speak with boldness and confidence when speaking of Christ. Mom had told me that story several times growing up. Little did I know until mom died that there was more to the story. Dad didn't even know the rest until days before mom died and she told him what happened when she got home from church.
Grandma was fuming. She was angry and sent Grandpa (mom's dad) to the store for something mundane, like bread and eggs or the like. She claimed she needed them to fix dinner. After he left, she took mother down to the basement, stripped her naked, and tied her wrists to a pole in the basement before whipping her for lying before the church and God.
I want to have a chance to meet Dr. White, and I'm going to tell him that story. I want to see his face when I ask him what the purpose was for God ordaining that a mother whip and beat her five year old daughter for accepting Christ as her Lord and Savior.
I’m in tears
You packed alot of excellent content in just 11 minutes. Fantastic
This was OUTSTANDING! perfectly allowing the cognitive dissonance that is required for this awful, prideful, “theology” to be put in full display.
THANK YOU.
Exactly
this is both sad and funny at the same time. I love the zen ding during the dialogue.
One of the most powerful videos on Calvanism that I've ever seen. WOW
"there's not one rogue toot or random belch" absolutely brilliant Idol Killer. The next time I see "that's not what we believe" I'll be redirecting promptly to this honest video.
True, consistent, Calvinism in a nutshell…Great content here, even if some of it is hard to hear…I shudder when I listen to the assertions of Calvinism disparaging a Holy God…Again, great stuff Warren.
hahaha Every calvinist apologist just said in their mind “You don’t understand calvinism”.
My problem is not that I do not understand Calvinism, my problem is that I know what Calvinism is!
@@jeffpaton9667 and so I will bite. “what is it?”
@@treybarnes5549 Christian-coated Gnosticism in search of Biblical sanction.
so dark, but so true. this really impresses how much calvinism isn't just some intellectual debate, but is an evil idea, believed by some well meaning people.
I agree totally but I think they’re not well meaning. They want money and prestige just like the typical televangelist. They appeal to the mind and ego instead of the wallet and bank account.
@@tracy197 Instead of the wallet and bank account?
@@bobbyadkins6983 while the health and wealth teachers draw a crowd while promising money and health, the Calvinists teachers make their followers feel superior with what they have learned. Pride with the intellect. Same trap but different bait
@@tracy197 Calvinism is definitely of the devil.
@@bobbyadkins6983 amen to that! It does tremendous damage and almost destroyed me. It caused me to believe that God was evil and liked hurting people and those who got into it innocently as I did will likely be led to this belief if they stay in it long enough.
Dude I lost my marbles at “thank you for allowing me to hold diametrically opposed beliefs… simultaneously”
For real. Calvinism has talked its way into utter chaos and confusion. A word salad to rule them all.
Regarding “thank you for allowing me to hold diametrically opposed beliefs… simultaneously”: schizophrenia is at the heart of Calvinism. Calvin was the first one to embrace it, and his disciples cannot help but immitate their idol. Unfortunately, they forfeit their logic. Otherwise it would be plain to them that if everything is determined, then we should stop talking about good and evil. It is the end of ethics and morality. If everything is determined, what there is, is good. However, we know that they cannot live with this system. In real life they live as if Calvinism is not true.
@@andrab1287 But if all is not known by God, from the beginning to the end, why call him omniscient? Doesn't that mean all-knowing? Are you implying that God is not the first cause of creation? You seem to exalt in self righteous choice. By that, I mean that if you choose to believe by your own liberty, and are then saved, was that choice "good" as opposed to "bad"... morally speaking? And if you believe that choosing Christ is "good", then those who choose not to believe are making a "bad" choice... logically, correct? So then you are saved by being morally superior to unbelievers? Or in other words, more righteous than they are. Isn't moral superiority unethical?
And while we are on the subject of diametrically opposed beliefs, if you do not believe in both, God's sovereignty and man's responsibility, tell me...which part of the Scripture are you denying exactly? Because both are clearly taught.
@@dannypomeroy3198 Hi Danny, you raise several points. I will address them in the order you raised them.
1. "But if all is not known by God, from the beginning to the end, why call him omniscient? Doesn't that mean all-knowing? Are you implying that God is not the first cause of creation? "
Answer: God is omniscient, but not in the way Calvinism defines the omniscience of God. Sorry, but as with many other concepts of the Bible, Calvinism uses the same word, but gives it a different meaning in order to fit its twisted 5 points system (TULIP). If the Bible says something else than TULIP, then Calvinism will simply twist the meaning of that word/concept (redefine it). What does Calvinism mean by omniscient? It means that God has to determine something in order to fully know before happening what will happen. Unless He determines, He doesn't know! Sorry, but this is not being omniscient at all. It is a very limited conception of omniscience. What the Bible means by God being omniscient is the fact that God knows ALL future events (including free will men' choices) WITHOUT determining all of them before hand. I know this is difficult to grasp. But this is so because the God of the Bible is so much higher and greater than the god of Calvinism. God decided to create man after His image, and this means He gave man free will, among other moral attributes. God has free will and created man in His image, with free will. Why is it so difficult to understand this ? The Bible is clear about this if you put aside the Calvinist glasses (the TULIP system). Is God the first cause of creation ? Of course he is. But what happened in the garden of Eden (the wrong choice of Adam and Eve) and the subsequent course of events is not God's doing (as Calvinism implies since God determines everything), but the result of the wrong choices of this free will agent that is the human being. Exactely because human beings are free to chose (they are able by creation to chose to do good and also to chose to do evil), God is correct to hold them responsible for their choices.
2. "You seem to exalt in self righteous choice. By that, I mean that if you choose to believe by your own liberty, and are then saved, was that choice "good" as opposed to "bad"... morally speaking? And if you believe that choosing Christ is "good", then those who choose not to believe are making a "bad" choice... logically, correct? So then you are saved by being morally superior to unbelievers? Or in other words, more righteous than they are. Isn't moral superiority unethical? "
Answer: Sorry, but you are wrong about the reasons/motivations you impute me. Nothing you said is true. I do not "exalt in self righteous choice", and I am not "saved by being morally superior to unbelievers". I am saved by God's grace through faith. It is God's doing, but God requires a condition from human beings, and that is faith. This faith is not manipulated by the God of the Bible as the god of Calvinists does. In Calvinism God plays at both ends: He determines who will be saved, then He gives faith to the elected through regeneration. This is not faith at all in the sense that Bible defines it. Faith in the biblical sense means that you are presented with the evidence and called to accept that evidence because it is the truth. This is how the gospel is (or should be preached). God does not get around neither our reason, nor our will when He calls us (even commands us) to believe the gospel. God commands human beings to repent and believe because they are able to do so. ALL of them, not only those who were pre-programmed to do so (as in Calvinism). When I repented and believed, I simply used my God-given abilities (free will) to obey God's command. Where did you get the idea that I "exalt in self righteous choice" or that I have "moral superiority"?
3. "And while we are on the subject of diametrically opposed beliefs, if you do not believe in both, God's sovereignty and man's responsibility, tell me...which part of the Scripture are you denying exactly? Because both are clearly taught."
Answer: Sorry, here again we have a problem with the way Calvinism defines words, namely God's sovereignty: in Calvinism in order for God to be sovereign, man cannot have free will. This is a wrong definition of sovereignty. To really be sovereign means you are able to set the rules + you decide what is good and what is evil in the universe. And this is exactly what the God of the Bible does: He works out the salvation (Christ dies on the cross for the sins of ALL individuals), then God sets the rules regarding salvation (faith in Christ) and He decides the end for believers (being with Jesus in heaven) and for unbelievers (they go to hell because they REFUSED to believe in Jesus = accept the price He paid for anyone's sins).
Guess what ?! The fact that human beings have free will (because God created them in such a way) does not challenge God's real sovereignty and God is not less sovereign because some human beings chose what He already declared to be evil. They will receive in the end what God decided for them. Those who go against the universe (God's rules) get splinters!
In conclusion: I support both God's sovereignty and man's responsibility, but as the Bible defines them and not as Calvinism defines them. Calvinism is a huge misrepresentation of the Bible and of God's character.
@@dannypomeroy3198 Hi Danny, you raise several points. I will address them in the order you raised them.
1. "But if all is not known by God, from the beginning to the end, why call him omniscient? Doesn't that mean all-knowing? Are you implying that God is not the first cause of creation? "
Answer: God is omniscient, but not in the way Calvinism defines the omniscience of God. Sorry, but as with many other concepts of the Bible, Calvinism uses the same word, but gives it a different meaning in order to fit its twisted 5 points system (TULIP). If the Bible says something else than TULIP, then Calvinism will simply twist the meaning of that word/concept (redefine it). What does Calvinism mean by omniscient? It means that God has to determine something in order to fully know before happening what will happen. Unless He determines, He doesn't know! Sorry, but this is not being omniscient at all. It is a very limited conception of omniscience. What the Bible means by God being omniscient is the fact that God knows ALL future events (including free will men' choices) WITHOUT determining all of them before hand. I know this is difficult to grasp. But this is so because the God of the Bible is so much higher and greater than the god of Calvinism. God decided to create man after His image, and this means He gave man free will, among other moral attributes. God has free will and created man in His image, with free will. Why is it so difficult to understand this ? The Bible is clear about this if you put aside the Calvinist glasses (the TULIP system). Is God the first cause of creation ? Of course he is. But what happened in the garden of Eden (the wrong choice of Adam and Eve) and the subsequent course of events is not God's doing (as Calvinism implies since God determines everything), but the result of the wrong choices of this free will agent that is the human being. Exactely because human beings are free to chose (they are able by creation to chose to do good and also to chose to do evil), God is correct to hold them responsible for their choices.
2. "You seem to exalt in self righteous choice. By that, I mean that if you choose to believe by your own liberty, and are then saved, was that choice "good" as opposed to "bad"... morally speaking? And if you believe that choosing Christ is "good", then those who choose not to believe are making a "bad" choice... logically, correct? So then you are saved by being morally superior to unbelievers? Or in other words, more righteous than they are. Isn't moral superiority unethical? "
Answer: Sorry, but you are wrong about the reasons/motivations you impute me. Nothing you said is true. I do not "exalt in self righteous choice", and I am not "saved by being morally superior to unbelievers". I am saved by God's grace through faith. It is God's doing, but God requires a condition from human beings, and that is faith. This faith is not manipulated by the God of the Bible as the god of Calvinists does. In Calvinism God plays at both ends: He determines who will be saved, then He gives faith to the elected through regeneration. This is not faith at all in the sense that Bible defines it. Faith in the biblical sense means that you are presented with the evidence and called to accept that evidence because it is the truth. This is how the gospel is (or should be preached). God does not get around neither our reason, nor our will when He calls us (even commands us) to believe the gospel. God commands human beings to repent and believe because they are able to do so. ALL of them, not only those who were pre-programmed to do so (as in Calvinism). When I repented and believed, I simply used my God-given abilities (free will) to obey God's command. Where did you get the idea that I "exalt in self righteous choice" or that I have "moral superiority"?
3. "And while we are on the subject of diametrically opposed beliefs, if you do not believe in both, God's sovereignty and man's responsibility, tell me...which part of the Scripture are you denying exactly? Because both are clearly taught."
Answer: Sorry, here again we have a problem with the way Calvinism defines words, namely God's sovereignty: in Calvinism in order for God to be sovereign, man cannot have free will. This is a wrong definition of sovereignty. To really be sovereign means you are able to set the rules + you decide what is good and what is evil in the universe. And this is exactly what the God of the Bible does: He works out the salvation (Christ dies on the cross for the sins of ALL individuals), then God sets the rules regarding salvation (faith in Christ) and He decides the end for believers (being with Jesus in heaven) and for unbelievers (they go to hell because they REFUSED to believe in Jesus = accept the price He paid for anyone's sins).
Guess what ?! The fact that human beings have free will (because God created them in such a way) does not challenge God's real sovereignty and God is not less sovereign because some human beings chose what He already declared to be evil. They will receive in the end what God decided for them. Those who go against the universe (God's rules) get splinters!
In conclusion: I support both God's sovereignty and man's responsibility, but as the Bible defines them and not as Calvinism defines them. Calvinism is a huge misrepresentation of the Bible and of God's character.
@@dannypomeroy3198God is all knowing yes that does not mean he is the cause of evil. He can know and hate what a person is going to do and guess what... that person will be judged. God is the creator the first cause nothing surprised him only Calvinists conflate that to mean he is the author of all the evil he himself forbids and expresses clear rage and anger towards. Your beliefs make God out to be mad at none other but himself or you say God is the author of evil but also innocent because he's God. You reduce God's holiness down to the level of a mere loophole he exploits like some self absorbed dictator of some failed state, breaking his own laws and declaring himself innocent. The Bible clearly shows us that God is not the author, nor the temptor and not pleased with sin.
As for the moral position this is a issue only you Calvinists struggle with because you move the work of Salvation from what is already done on the cross to another individualistic issue all because of your total depravity doctrine. You struggle with the idea that some will choose Christ and some won't and if that makes a person superior or not, you struggle with it because of your doctrine of unconditional election, limited atonement and an idea that conflates election itself higher than the cross of Christ. The Cross is the cause of Salvation I believe my coming to Christ is possible for literally everyone and not because I was elected and everyone else was purposed for eternal damnation. You tell me what one of those ideas sounds like the one with the superiority complex?
Also we do not struggle with the idea of God's sovereignty and man's free will because we have to been taught an incorrect definition of sovereignty or free will. God's sovereignty being the source of free will does not clash with God's sovereignty. Nobody gets away with anything you will have to give an account for every deed, you are free to choose your deeds but you are not free from the consequences thereof. We have no conflict with Man's responsibility because it stands in its proper place next to our understanding of God's sovereignty and free will. Of course you are responsible for what you do with your free will according to God's sovereignty because he didn't just give us free will he gave us laws and commands he gave Adam and Eve a command they broke and they where punished it's quite simple to us. Our freedom does not supersede God's sovereignty. Now explain to us how God is directly in control, the designer and orchestrator of the sin a man would do and the man who had no choice to do anything different is responsible for it. Yea we know it's one of your boy Calvin's mysteries. He gets to the logical conclusions of his own doctrine and hits a wall and just says it's a mystery instead of father forgive me for accusing your holiness for such evil.
Hearing the gospel at the end is such good news compared to the hellish reality of what Calvinism teaches
"...whatsoever comes to pass; yet so as that God is not the author of evil and you should just take our word for it; pay no attention to the logical contradictions behind the curtain." - A rough draft of the Westminster Confession of Faith found in the garbage can.
Teddy Saccharides needs to take a long vacation in a safe facility... up there screaming like a madman about God ordering people to commit adultery... 😂
Hilarious
"When [God] wants to, [God] orders those to commit adultery, when HE wants to!" -Theodore Zachariadas
"Evil is NOT good. BUT, it is good, that there IS evil." -R.C Sproul
Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of reformed theologians!
How unsearchable are the Doctrines of Grace, & how inscrutable the divine gnosis! ☦️
💯🤣
@@a.k.7840 - Andrew Keifer!!
@primeobjective5469 yes, I don't know why my full name doesn't appear... I'll have to check my settings again.
What a beautiful way to display how disgusting these doctrines really are. Thank God He’s so much better than who they claim He is! I have been telling my wife over the last year, that I am becoming convinced that Lucifer is the “god” behind the curtain in Calvinism… I’m just finding it harder and harder to sugarcoat it. This is definitely the best Honest Calvinist video yet! Great job as usual Warren!
In Calvinism, God is the devil behind Satan.... no doubt.
@IdolKiller The misrepresenting of the Reformed view makes it hard to take you seriously
@@Philip3 what specifically in my summation of the statements made by these Calvinist is a misrepresentation?
@@Philip3Your inability to point to even one thing that he misrepresented makes it impossible to take you seriously…….
@@JohnK557John, you're just saying that because you can't help it.😎😎
I’ve been waiting for this! Well done brother Warren…thank you for putting your time into this. 👊🏻
This may have been your best video brother Warren!!!!
Wow, thanks!
Wow! So powerful! Your tongue in cheek style is straight to the point. I just love this!! Great job, brother!
Thank you!!!
Man, this hits so hard, it's actually heartbreaking when it is put so plainly what these so called godly men are teaching innocent young Christians that just want to know truth, and they're taught this disgusting vile garbage by these deceived men. When I listen to these men teach, I can't help but feel like this god they preach about is their own delusional super hero, that is just swinging his sword of justice any way he feels like, damning anyone he feels like, crushing whoever he feels like, but is completely justified by this horrific behavior, it's like they really enjoy this type of god that serves out this fantasy in their heads, it's sick.
Keep pushing truth Warren, and I love that you present it without their wrapper of warmth that they try and use, it's just the ugly truth of their system.
" for by thy words thou shall be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned"
The question is, are these men actually Christian if they're teaching such disgusting things about God?
@@r.rodriguez4991 I had to fearfully consider whether or not I was even saved when I came out of Calvinism... I realized being in error didn't necessarily mean I hadn't trusted in God... just that I didn't know Him all that well.
@@IdolKiller At what point does that change. Say someone is "in error" and teaches people that God is okay with homosexuality? Is that person still a Christian? The Bible is just as clear on homosexuality as it is on determinism. So what's the difference?
I'm not asking to be ugly. I genuinely want to know where the line gets drawn. Which teachings can you be in error about and which can you not? I think teaching people that God determines little children to be molested and mutilated is a little too far gone. That is actually slandering God.
@@IdolKiller “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.”
Galatians 1:8-9
@@r.rodriguez4991 “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.”
Galatians 1:8-9
LOVE the ending! The gospel is SO GOOD!
Wow! This is such a good video, Warren! Keep up the great work! You are living up to the name "Idol Killer!"
Thanks Tim! I appreciate the encouragement!
Good move Warren
Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves” (Matt. 10:16).
The best video on Calvinism that I’ve seen!
Thank you!
Beautifully put together...
Warren, excellent job clearly stating the clear teachings of Calvinism that are often heavily masked in deceptive/flowery language. Well done!
Absolutely brilliant 🙌🏻
great vid Warren. Powerfully presented. maybe for the todo list - one on evanescent grace
I sure am glad that one random toot or belch can’t rob me of my salvation 😂
Every time I watch this video I enjoy something new about it. Keep up the good work!
Well done! I am so glad you put the real truth about God at the end. God's Word wipes out the accusations against God.
Amen!
I love my loved ones more than God !
This is why I say " there is no true calvinist who practically live what he or she believes "
This is true, and it breaks my heart for all of my calvinist friends, so many of them are, and even the ones who aren't are convinced of a lot of their doctrines or see them as not big differences.
This is incredible. So perfectly exposes the deception of this doctrine.
I thank and praise God for you and your channel Warren.
I started to get sucked into the Calvinist way of thinking and through Prayer and reading my Bible and listening to teachers like yourself, Dr Flowers, Provisionist Perspective, BTF and my own Pastor at Church I quickly saw Yahweh as a loving Father not the abhorrent moral monster these people seem, and teach us, to believe Him to be.
Thank you for your great work, God bless
Wow! These guys who are elevated to such high positions within the Protestant Christian world (my world) are straight up unapologetic blasphemers. Keep this videos up. God bless you! Thank you for exposing the utter insanity and evil theology that is hidden by the vague Calvinist sermons of the everyday pastors. Who is more devilish within the Calvinist system? God or Satan?
So the LORD said to Satan, “Behold, he is in your power, only spare his life.”
- Job 2:6
@@dannypomeroy3198 good job quoting scripture. 👍🏻
@@ManassehJones set boundaries? Or determines to do? Let’s get the Calvinist heresy correct
@@CCiPencilthank you I take my cues from Jesus, quoting scripture to combat lies
@@dannypomeroy3198 😆 😂 Satan quoted scripture too, maybe God determined you be under some delusion about what His words says. Guess we will never be able to actually know, sense we are preprogrammed
What this video demonstrates is that Calvinists *HAVE NO SHAME,* they have no fear of *BLASPHEME,* they have no *DISCERNMENT,* and that they worship and believe in the doctrines of John Calvin and the Westminster Confession more than they worship and believe in GOD and HIS autobiography the Bible.
I suppose that they have been determined, before the creation of the world, to blaspheme God.🤷♂
And of Augustine.
Exactomundo. 💯
"Only God can change people's hearts. Also go and spread this message and wonder why people are asking people to do something they're incapable of doing."
this might be your best video
Thank you!
Im glad the video finished with the Truth!
Thankye Warren - Andy
Yeah,... I just couldn't let the thing end on that kind of blasphemy. There is hope, as God is good and in Him there is no variation or shifting shadow!
Great job with this video!
I am forwarding this to every person I know who is currently being seduced by the lies of Calvinist thinking/teaching,. You practice no deceit and let them expose themself using their own statements. Thank You & God bless
That’s good that you are trying to show your calvinist friends, but must times they have a proof text to reply back, or they won’t watch it… I only know from experience- they’re deceived and blind😞 but I’m praying your friends eyes will be opened!
What helped me turn from evil Calvinism this year is I was tempted to hate God for being so evil and mean. I begin to see him as enjoying evil and bringing pain because of bad things happening in my life. Forgive for saying this, but this got me thinking at the time, “God is worse than the devil or maybe he is the devil!” That extreme thinking got me to come to my senses. I think that’s what gets people to leave the deception is when they realize their belief system makes them think God is as evil as the devil if not worse. I’ll pray for the people you know because unless they are the big wigs like the guys on this video making alot of money, they are mentally suffering in Calvinism as I was. Thank God I’m out of that most evil belief system.
@@tracy197
Yes ! I thank GOD with you that you've been delivered from the blasphemous ideology of calvinism.
Thank You, and I do agree regarding a 'proof-text' being sent in response! It can be super frustrating : ) God Bless@@bornagainbeliever1429
Amen @@tracy197
This video is GOLD!
Thank you... and share it! Also check out our Honest Calvinist Christmas Special!
@@IdolKiller Amen... i know the gospel says ALL Calvinist can be saved =)
This one is what best justifies the channel's name.
Excellent. They don’t call it the cancer of Calvinism for nothing.
Another awesome HC video, another comment section full of raving Calvinists stung into treating their own doctrine as if it were false by complaining about the video. Keep 'em coming, brother!
Theodore Zachariades sounds just like Muhammad at 6:00 “Allah has decreed the very portion of adultery that a man by necessity must commit.”
Wow! Eye opening. One of the best I’ve seen that exposes this horrible theology.
Let's hope they repent before they reach the throne room to hear "I never knew you"
"There is not one rogue toot or random belch that can rob me of my salvation"
Beautifully constructed Warren.
Thank you!
Warren your best spoof yet.
Unlike your other appreciated spoofs, this is actually sad.
It’s so revealing and compiled in sequence that it’s hard to deny the logical trajectory and conclusion of 5 point consistent Calvinism
Scary stuff, praying it will penetrate the right targets.
Blessings Bro to you and your family
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Amen‼️ LoL🤪 I can’t remember where I found this, but here is another Honest Calvinist Prayer:
"Lord, I am unchangeably decreed by You to pray that You unchangeably maintain what You have unchangeably decided from eternity past. Amen."
I haven’t had time to check thoroughly, but this video has to be one of the top commented on of all those you’ve produced
If it's not the top, it's up there!
You owe a lot to your detractors 😄
@@EdwardPhaneuf-v6u facts!
when calvinists are honest! nice!
When October 7 happened, I was thrown back by the indifference of SOME Calvinist leaders, and so I got more curious about them, I’ve never been a Calvinist, so this little video is the richest little trove of face-planting jaw dropping Calvinism that I’ve ever seen.
Mind blown.
Keep exposing the Calvinist cult. Great work. Settle for nothing short of calling them to repentance. These God-slanderers are blasphemous.
The best way to refute the lies of any doctrine of demons is to mock them by taking them to their logical conclusion. I must confess the decree of the number of thrusts made me snarf my coffee.
Nailed it! Amen to the true sovereign creator God.
Warren, I am so thankful for the videos that God has sovereignly and divinely predestined for you to make. It is in the nature of the wisest god to predestine the damned as well as elect to, at times affirm his totally sovereign nature, and at other times disprove and even denigrate his sovereign nature. Anything else would fall short of the wisest counsel.
This is one of those comments that could either be dead serious, or absolute sarcasm... and I am totally unable to tell the difference, so I'm hearting it for that reason.
@IdolKiller Thanks, I was trying for that. Though, wouldn't that be the case for any consistent prayer said by someone affirming EDD? Whether they pray thanking God for good or praising him for forcing his creation and even his own believers to do great evil? I think that clip from Sonny about God ordering kings to commit adultery in his debate with Leighton could be misunderstood if someone didn't know the context. At first I thought he was trying to demonstrate that that was just a caricture of calvinists only to try and disprove the idea that God literally chooses the evil that people does only to find out that it was just a real EDD apologist making a comment, which was consistent with his doctorine. I was shocked. I think this series of yours, along with the real quotes that you provide, really proves that some doctorine don't even need to be refuted; it just needs to be clearly stated. This honest calvinist series has been a true gem.
This series of HC is very clear.... I think if they hear themselves.... it´s crazy!
Most excellent
This is excellent!
Sad thing is that the Calvinist watching this will not be affected by it, since their hearts are self-hardened.
Amazing video keep spreading the truth of God’s character.
This was brilliant .. I appreciate the poop and belching references.😊
Holy balls! I'm glad I'm Catholic
Idol Killer....Can you Please PLEASE do a expository teaching spoof with piper as Jafar and J. White as Iago??? it just seems soooo right.
I think they are afraid of actually believing God is love and good… like that would be way too “scandalous”…almost the other polar extreme end of a “progressive Christian”… it’s sad they are missing out in actually knowing how AMAZING Jesus is He is SO good and we get so desensitized to hearing that that it sounds cliche. But God has been showing me His pure goodness and I just can’t describe it any other way other than He is so PURE. This is just so dark, it is such a twist, it is such a deception and it’s so crafty and I can see how people could get slowly wrapped up in it… but it is not the LORD, I can hardly take listening to these guys talk about Jesus like they know Him when HE IS NOT THIS. This is not who He IS. I’m begging for people to understand. Thank you Warren for this video I’m begging and praying for people to WAKE UP and come to the light and be free and know Jesus!!
“Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. But the wisdom that is from above is first *pure* , then *peaceable* , *gentle* , *willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy* . Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.”
James 3:13-18
Amen!
yeah His Goodness know no bounds.
First, and most definitely foremost, I agree with everything presented. It's a rare thing to hear the often hidden truth of Calvinism put so clearly on display. The ONE THING that continues to plague me is trying to understand how so many Biblically knowledgeable men, such as MacArthur, Piper, Vocham, Peters, Sproul et al remain convinced of their theology's truth. Put more plainly, how can they willingly redefine God's words such as all, whosoever, world, will (as in, "will be saved), everyone and many others regarding salvation? Perhaps I'll never understand or get a viable answer!
Dunno if this is the core answer or not, but I always assumed it was because they overlay their philosophy atop the scriptures, then proceed to eisegete their viewpoints out of them.
For example, if I assume Augustinian Determinism to be true, then I have no choice but to read Matthew 6:44 as meaning that only those whom God effectually draws will be saved.
They also like the money and prestige of being leading Calvinists. They don’t want to give up their evil system
All they have to is what Calvin himself did.
Hide behind one little word:
“Mystery.”
@@tracy197 lol...the reformed megachurches are definitely a problem.
It is good for people to come to grips with what they actually teach and believe. There is no better way to help people see the error of their ways than to show what there leaders actually and clearly state.
Yeah, this was a lot more intense than I was expecting. As the kids say...Sheesh.
I really wanted this to be funny. I looked for places to inject humor... but given the topic, I just couldn't. I try to balance criticism with laughter, but this topic is so heavy, perhaps it is best treated with more respect than I would otherwise handle other issues.
@@IdolKiller it has that sense or appearance initially of being humorous, it sets up that expectation, then quickly it makes you think oh wow ok this is pretty dark humor, this is going to offend calvinists and also be immediately mocked and rejected and "refuted" by them because they won't take it seriously intellectually but just see it as some uneducated anti calvinist joke/insult that doesn't land because it's "not real calvinism"...
but then just as quickly, it goes from this might be funny or is attempting humor, to wow ok this is some dark humor (maybe perceived as an immature and exaggerated insult that doesn't offer a serious critique), to simply; holy crap this is dark and is using sarcasm to strip away ALL of the theological intellectual and philosophical veneer and cut straight to the heart of things and truly expose the UGLY EVIL DEPRAVED heart of calvinism. And it maintains that for minutes on end, continuing to essentially come across like this is dark humor but you the viewer know, and I know, this isn't funny at all given the subject and the actual claims and implications. The fact that it's not "funny" ends up seeming like the entire point... It's like hey, if I satirize calvinism but with brutal honesty and insight into the root of it, this is the only possible outcome, and what you get is not light humor but a clear picture of a lie of Satan, a mind of a devil, that's persisted for some 1500 years, and if this is true, the fact that so many hold to this system is truly terrifying, and the insidiousness of Satan is terrifying.
Ultimately I think that, instead of being just normal typical satire, which requires some truth to be effective, it says no... This is satire, but instead let's dial the truth up to 11, to the point where in form it IS satire, but what is exposed is so twisted and devilish that the effect of the satire ceases to be humor but just an utter exposing and reckoning for calvinism, and an utterly brutal mirror for the calvinist who's capable of hearing the truth. It's like saying, hey this might not be what you THINK you believe, but look at yourself - or look at this reflection of the pure honest unadulterated calvinist mind, the system unmasked... This is what it looks like.
Calvinism puts on a lot of respectable and convincing masks made out of lofty or falsely humble words, but when they're stripped away, this is straight from hell, and it's truly a fearful marvel that any Christian would believe such a lie... God help us.
The ending is the redemption, both literally (spiritually) and for the video, to bring us back from satire to truth and seriousness, and was the only fitting ending, and demonstrating the true motive of the video, which can only be described as a brutal expose, through a truly dark satire... But there is not even a hint of exaggeration; calvinism was just stripped naked on stage in front of everyone, and what we saw was so ugly it can hardly be looked upon.
Extremely effective emotionally, I can only pray it can have an affect on some Calvinists not as sold out as the men on the screen.
Thank you Warren.
Ephesians 5:20
"giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ"
"The ὑπὲρ πάντων, “for all things” (neut., not masc., as understood by Theodor.), is taken by many in its widest possible extent, as including things evil as well as good. The Epistle does not deal, however, particularly with the sufferings of the Christian, but with what he receives from God and what his consequent duty is. It is most accordant, therefore, with the context to understand the πάντων as referring to all the blessings of the Christian, the whole good that comes to him from God." Expositor's Greek Testament
"We are told to give thanks to God for all His gifts. For God has stooped low to adopt us through Christ his own Son, through whom we know God. We have learned that God, being Spirit, is to be adored in the Spirit. So we submit ourselves to one another out of reverence for Christ, who commanded us to pursue humility." Ambrosiaster
Is child r@p3 a gift from God or are you reading this into the text? Should the child thank God during or after? Should the perpetrator lift up a prayer during or after?
"God keeps believers from sinning against him, and engages them to submit one to another in all he has commanded, to promote his glory, and to fulfil their duties to each other." Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
Does God keep believers from sinning against Him, or does He eternally and unchangeably decree they sin against Him? Are we to give thanks for God decreeing us to sin against Him?
"Giving thanks always - This is probably designed to be connected with the preceding verse, and to denote that the proper subject of psalms and hymns is thanksgiving and praise. This is indeed always the main design, and should be so regarded; and this part of worship should be so conducted as to keep up in the heart a lively sense of the mercy and goodness of God. For all things - ὑπὲρ πάντων huper pantōn - for all things, or all "persons." Dr. Barrow supposes that the meaning here is, that they were to give thanks for "all persons," and to regard themselves as under obligations to give thanks for the mercies bestowed upon "the human race"... Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Did God bestow mercy upon the human race, or merely the Calvinist elect who were eternally secure?
I see the verse as teaching us to expect God to redeem the evils done contrary to His will and this is cause for thankfulness... not that we are to thank Him for evil.
@@IdolKiller thanks for that, I just thought you would like a bible verse w/o Calvinist commentary ;)
@@TheApologeticDog I do! I just assumed you being a Calvinist were eisegeting Calvinism into it, so I was pro-active.
@@IdolKiller that's okay, you were just doing what you were programmed to do
@@TheApologeticDog beep boop bop, zort... Calvinism is bad... zzzt... tweet
This is GENIUS
Although this might be considered a bit over the top by some, it accurately reflects the sometimes openly proclaimed but often ignorantly overlooked underlying assumptions and truths of Calvinism. I hope and pray the moderate and humble Calvinist can begin to see the flaws in their theological system.
This is so well done!
Nevertheless…
“You don’t understand Calvinism!”
“This is a straw man representation of Calvinism!”
“Calvinists don’t believe this!”
“John MacArthur didn’t say that!”
“You’re taking these men out of context!”
I have never been more pleased to hear the word "specificity" used lol
😄. This video and Inception - Joseph Gordon Levitt
Wow… what a well put together presentation of the insanity of truthful/consistent Calvinism.
Thank you!
@@IdolKiller Do you have any videos explaining Roman 9? I assume you’d also understand it as National destiny’s.
@androcracy I've not yet dedicated any content to Romans 9, but would direct you to Leighton Flowers and @Soteriology101 as we agree on this
Warren, I really love this series. I do wish you hadn't had the thrusting comments though; I would share it with people, but it's a bit too explicit. It paints a picture I really don't want to paint in people's minds (or, in my own, for that matter). This isn't to say it isn't an accurate presentation of what they believe--it certainly is. If you posted a version that altered that line, I would share it widely. In any case, keep these up. They really highlight the insanity that Calvinists believe.
It is a disgusting claim and I hate to have to address it... but I hate even more the idea of someone who suffered such a thing thinking God decreed it, when the truth is He is grieved over it and angry and there will be justice. It's this sort of teaching that the enemy uses to lead so many from the faith and their loving Father.
@@IdolKiller True. I grieve for the loved ones of those murdered by the trans person in Nashville hearing that in their Sunday sermon following the tragedy and in their private 'counseling' at the Presbyterian church where it happened. It bears pointing out.
As an adult victim of very early childhood SA, I endorse this message. SA is way uglier than a "thrusting " analogy. Share this video! Call a spade a spade.
This is war. War is ugly. Warren said what is true. Don't soften it to smooth out the horror of it.That is why the cancer of Calvinism has been allowed into every almost every Church. No one wanted to make waves and call a spade a spade.
Wow kind of speechless! Curious about what part you got pushback on.
eh... I had a different version where an AI figure prayed what is written in the video description above. The figure looked and sounded like James White, and I didn't want it to seem mean spirited, or give the Calvinist an excuse to ignore the claims and entailments of their system... so I took that version down, rethought the whole concept and started over.... arriving at this instead.
@@IdolKiller I pray God uses it!
@@IdolKiller I kept thinking how the image of the man looked so like Moron pictures. I really think it was important at the end to use those powerful scriptures. I am going to save this video for future viewing and inspiration. It would be nice to have the whole video in text form.
Truth in Love
They are going to love it!
If they don't, just challenge them to stop being ashamed of the gospel. (The gospel as they know it).
Wow, thanks for the exposing this in their own words.
That took alot of work and talent.🤔🥰😳👍🙏🥘
Thank you!
Great video Warren!
I will always be mind blown that anyone could believe this heretical teaching of Calvinism, especially well educated men with doctorates! It seems like the “smarter” people are, the less likely they can grasp what the one true gospel is, and what the Bible actually teaches. God help them!🙏🏻
And what does the Bible actually teach? What is the one true gospel, or are you a true Scotsman?
@@JustBCWi lol I don’t even know what you mean by true Scotsman, but the Bible teaches Jesus died for ALL, that doesn’t mean SOME sinners, but for all sinners. No one is predestined to go to hell or heaven! God KNOWS who’s going to accept or reject Jesus, but He’s not a tyrant- He’s a good and just God Who also allows us to make a choice. We’re not robots.
@@bornagainbeliever1429 and that God desires all to be saved and there is no “secret” yet contradictory will.
This was brilliant
Can I post this to my other channels outside of UA-cam and I will put a link to redirect them back to your channel so they can find Warriors content
I'm cool with that.
@@IdolKiller this stuff is so brutal but true it had me cracking up. It lived up to the anticipation. this is brilliant stuff you did. And I don't feel like you went out of line or anything it feels like you stayed within bounds.
@@IdolKiller you kind of remind me of media bear with the Brilliance in your humor. I'm not sure if you heard of him but I think he's one of the best artist there is
@@IdolKiller I guess the thing I like about it is that you're funny constructive and edifying and I don't get the sense that you're doing this really make fun of people but it's to help them see how ridiculous they are being when you take everything they say to its logical conclusion. So in actuality you're just trying to help them amp prevent others from falling into the same insane thinking
@@chrislucastheprotestantview no, but I'll check out the channel! Thanks for the recommendation