The Absurdity of Reformed Theology
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- Nov. 6, 2022, Adult Sunday School at Truth Baptist Church.
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
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Pastor, about a year ago I heard another sermon of yours about this subject. I thanked you for it in a comment then, but I did not go into details, now I will. I had been listening to a very famous and respected leader of reformed churches worldwide for about a year at that time. Not having any knowledge of that teaching beforehand, this part of it crept into my head before I realized the problem. It was very depressing and very scary. I was fighting myself to let it go, to not believe that ....but it was hard to come out of the fear it brought to me for some reason. Then I heard that sermon of yours and everything clicked back in line and I was able to shake it off and know my God again! Since then, I have also became a member of a church here, attending regularly...thats because of your church also. I will forever be grateful. Thank you so much for taking the time to post online, it is a blessing to me.
Ms. Ledbetter,
Thank you so much for telling us your story. It is very encouraging and very understandable. If I believed in the god of Reformed theology I would be depressed as well. This is one of the very reasons I grappled with this topic at a young age. The god of Reformed theology cannot exist alongside the God of the Bible. I had to choose one or the other.
I pray that others see your comment and are encouraged to do the same as you have done.
You are a blessing to me,
Pastor Logan Fowler
I am happy for you Cherie. The Devil valued destroying you so much that he tried to sift you as wheat and failed! There must be an important job God has chosen for you that threatens the devil's kingdom. Your testimony here has a great amount of power in itself to help others going through the same thing.
People who are Calvinist can still be a christian but it is NOT because of Calvinism, it is because at one point in time they heard the gospel and believed...Calvinism took over later on.
People who debate Calvinism and Arminianism (Jacob Arminius) is a false debate, through study its easy to see that Jacob Arminius was a calvinist. The debate between the two is false and legitimizes both as valid positions to hold regarding scripture. They are BOTH false...
Calvinism is NOT Christian. This "view" degrades the Jesus of scripture and what he did on the cross so that any one can believe. Calvinism teaches that Christ did NOT die for the sins of the world nor did he taste death for everyman. This deceitful teaching twists scripture in such a way that a new believer, who is NOT "studied to show himself approved", can easily fall for this.
God predestines sin and then holds you accountable for being forced to carry gods sin out???
Truth in Love
Pastor Logan,
Your example using the two buses with their set routes that our sovereign God has provided for us to choose from was what put everything in place for me. Since then, I have had full confidence in my salvation and that leaves me free to serve Him better. The idea that this other philosophy even existed left me frozen in fear and good for nothing at all. I'm way down the road from this now, thanks to you, and the fruit of each doctrine is clear in my life. Our Lord is all powerful, sovereign and most definitely perfectly just.
Thank you for encouraging me today with your post. I'm starting to realize my job towards family and friends and it's a daunting idea, so once again, you're right on time!! Lol! Also, many people in your position would have their comments turned off. I greatly respect that you engage to try to help people when it's obvious there is no other reason for you to do so. Thank you for everything extra that you do!
Cherie
@@cherieledbetter8185 Amen, Cherie! Thanks for continuing to keep in touch. God bless you as you contend for the faith and run your race!
Eph. 6:10 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might."
@@TruthLewiston The Calvinist God and the God of Islam must sit at the same table going through their fry or not to fry list!
One of the foundational doctrines of Islam is the absolute sovereignty, to the point of determinism, of Allah. Allah knows everything, determines everything, decrees everything, and orders everything. Allah is even the cause of evil (Unveiling Islam, p. 109).
It follows that Allah predestines all who will be saved and all who will be eternally damned. Of those who cannot be saved, Surah 2:6-7 states:
It follows that Calvinism and Islam are both inherently fatalistic. In Calvinism, the sovereign God elects those who will be saved and rejects all others, as seen repeatedly in Calvin’s writings:
…some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of those ends, we say that he has been predestined to life or death (Institutes, 3.21.5). John Calvin
The reason they share the same Theology is that they come from the same source of inspiration!
They all are writing down the Doctrine of Demons they embrace and willingly!
Truth in Love
Finally someone said it plainly
Amen
This is a gross misunderstanding of reformed theology.
Before the foundation of the world those who are Gods through Christ were written in the Lambs Book of Life (Ephesians 1, 1 Peter 1, Revelation 13) for Jesus (Jude 2).
God did not predestine anyone to hell. Eve then Adam sinned (Genesis 3). Mankind came from Adam and therefore was made in Adam’s image (Genesis 5). The sin curse passed on to all of mankind like a plague. Man in there will continued to sin just like Adam.
Mankind would not want God unless God wanted them (1 John 4).
Throughout the history of salvation God gas only saved some (Noah and his family, Abraham and his family, etc) by his foreknowledge and predetermination (Romans 8:28-30). All have sinned because they want to sin (Genesis 6, Genesis 8, Romans 3). God merely endures the vessels of wrath so that the vessels of mercy will know the riches of His mercy (Romans 9:22-24)
To say we are saved because we chose God and that’s what God foreknew puts us at the center of salvation not God. Not Christ. No where I. The Bible will you find that. Salvation is all by God, for Christ, because of Christ. We are saved to love, worship, praise and serve Christ for all eternity.
The choice we make is God influencing us and persuading us by His power, love, and grace, but it was Gods choice for those first (Matthew 11:27, John 10:11, Act 13:48)
The Westminster Confession of Faith runs circles around your nonsense!
@@scottsinger273 LOL figures you'd value the writings of men over the Word of God.
@@ArcLightShock37
Oh ok einstein, whatever you say!!
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.”
Ephesians 1:3-6 NASB1995
Amen. He chose us "in Him." That's a conditional election. He chose all those who, in their freewill, believe in him. We cover this in the video.
John 3:15 "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
But alas, Christ marvels at people's unbelief. Why would he do that? It's because God gave us a freewill. We can choose to accept or reject Christ.
Mark 6:6 "And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching."
@Dakota Bledsoe Which passage are you talking about?
@@TruthLewistonYou are a heretic. You are not God and as soon as you simply accept HIS absolute sovereignty --- God may bring you into the light of HIS GLORY. We cannot come and we WILL not come. Faith is a gift of God -- not of US
You are In Christ because you believed as Paul writes in vs 13 of the passage you quoted. Eph 1:13 - "In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise"
@@MatthewRussell-gw3wi you are making an error in your exegesis. You are reading something in verse 13 and going back and reading it into verse 4. Instead, you should follow the argument Paul is making. Also, at verse 13, all Paul is saying that after you believed you were sealed with the Holy Spirit not that God chose you after you believed or because you would believe.
Also, let’s go with your interpretation for a bit. God chose after people believed. Doesn’t that mean God learned? Does God learn?
The analogy is not even a little close to what reformed theology teaches.
How does it differ?
@@TruthLewiston I will take the time later when I am off work and explain why it is different if you really want to hear.
@@3BadBostons Yeah, just give one example, your best example. Thanks.
If Joey was His, Joey would of heard His voice. You seem to forget that God created Joey and if God had created Joey as a vessel of mercy He would have responded. God created Pharoah and Moses and "chose" each for a specific purpose.
I don't know how long you have believed in Jesus for your eternal salvation, but you seem to be one that thinks that you chose to believe in Jesus.
It is not of him who wills or runs, but of God who shows mercy.
It is He that works in us.
God works through our free will, and does not force us but perfectly gives us Light.
The whole point of God's Word is He is Light and in Him is no darkness. Are you in the light?
You decided to believe on your own? No! You heard the Word and were able to believe His Word (even if you don't understand His sovereignty).
Jesus said, MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE....
@@3BadBostons You limit the power of God's word. It can quicken (make alive) whoever hears it. Not just the reformed "elect."
Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
Moses chose to believe in the God of the Israelites. Pharoah chose to sin yet more and harden his heart. God did not force either into this outcome.
Hebrews 11:24 "By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;"
Exodus 9:34 "And when Pharaoh saw that the rain and the hail and the thunders were ceased, he sinned yet more, and hardened his heart, he and his servants."
Your theology has no answer for all of scripture. Ours does. For example, answer these two verses.
Jonah 3:10 "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
You also must understand that people reject God's grace all the time. Calvinism is a lie.
Acts 7:51 "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."
Regeneration precedes faith. Prove me wrong. You throw nonsense and spew lies without knowing the main difference between reformed theology this pastors theology. His theology, yours, and others believe humans choose God first or there is some type of synergistic meeting of wills that results in salvation. It’s wrong. You can’t prove it in scripture. I challenge you to provide your good reason.
Calvinistic Christians drove me to deconstruct my faith and I ultimately became nihilistic. I was excommunicated and ostracized and became homeless for a year. Only by glory and grace did I find my way back to a place where Jesus could take me and heal my soul. I was broken and suffering passive unaliving myself ideation. In an instant last week the Holy Spirit took that darkness from me and pointed clear my path. I cried in joy and relief for the grace he allowed me to experience. I am now on a mission to expose Calvinism for the Anti-Christ Spirit it holds and harms with. It's the most diabolical interpretation of scripture in existence. I pray all decent people call these Charltons out for the tricksters they are. Love in Christ
Mercy, calvinists reformers as a whole are horrific
@@truthseeker5698 they are the great apostasy
@AlanDeMoss don't go to the Greek, or buy a good concordance if you really want to follow Satan. Calvanism didn't drive you to atheism/nihilism. You did. It's more likely your realization that you actually hate God did. Why wouldn't a sound church excommunicate someone who proclaimed belief, then came clean and refuted their belief? You made your choices, and blame others for it. I don't doubt for a second that a spirit is motivating you, but as you refute Jesus, Paul, and ultimately God, it isn't the Holy Spirit.
@AlanDeMoss You didn't understand the doctrine then, and you just espoused a fairly common Calvinist idea 😂. It's not in the least diabolical when understood from the perspective that the universe exists for God's glory, not humanity's sake.
@@iamthasecond Yes, put on those calvie lenses , devoid of relational basics , where prayer is a trite meaningless facade, sola de closed theists for their gods glory. Such Ridiculousnss bro!
It’s fascinating looking at the Reformed comments here. Always the same responses to the critique of the calvinist position. “This guy doesn’t understand Reformed theology” yet there is nothing substantive put forward by them to explain the theology or to reckon with the teacher’s arguments. If you notice below, Logan is always the last person standing. Reformed theology only sustains itself by surviving in an echo chamber. It’s a cult for mine.
It definitely is a cult. I spoke to an old flame this past summer, and when I mentioned several rhetorical-qyestiin indictments against Calvinism, her response was, "All good questions, but there are answers "
Agh!!!!!!!!
That's not being a Berean; that's being cult-like.
I.emailed her the other day and addressed this insane idea of Christ dying ,"for the elect" and asked what in the world was meant by "for the elect"? I mentioned that if someone were "elected" for Heaven, that person was saved at that point and that if the elect are already saved, why, then, would the Lord die on the cross?
And I discern that she's FINALLY snapping out of it.
How honest is Logan's approach when he starts to cite a confession of faith, saying it contradicts with a statement some further in the confession? So he really thinks he's the first one to see the contradiction, and all the time before no reformed theologian realized their confession was contradictional? Or they did see and considered it to be better to stick to the confession than to stick to the Bible? Please...
I'm sorry, I can accept a baptist or evangelical view as more or less biblical (not entirely in my eyes), at the same time I accept a reformed view as - in my opinion - a bit more biblical; we all are limited in knowledge so every theology has its flaws... But when someone thinks he has to mock reformed theology... Then I can't take him seriously. Yes, now you can still say I also don't give arguments or clarification in favor of reformed theology - I don't have the time yet, and if I would make the effort I don't know if it would have any positive effect, so I won't explain it here anyway. Just take a good reformed dogmatics or so, read it carefully, compare with scripture, empathize, think along... You don't need to change to a reformed church, but you will see how biblical it all is. I'm not that familiar with Logan's theology, just accidentally encountered this video, but his explanations seem quite simplistic and sometimes quite biblicistic to me. Very unfair, this video, unworthy of a christian.
@@rblom8283 who are the best teachers you have read or listened to that present the best refutation of reformed theology?
@@honestchristianity936Soteriority 101 or Beyond the Fundementals UA-cam
I was thinking the same thing from the Pastor. He used one reference and took it out of context. Then after refuting Arminianism in one sentence he used Arminianism to refute calvinism. This is teaching others how to misrepresent a viewpoint. He should go talk to one of them first or read about it before creating more division. We might say you're close to heresy because you're dispensational, but you say we're blasphemous because we believe only God can save us in our sin by sending His people with the Gospel to hear and be saved. We wouldn't have any of it without Him working it out for us. We don't worship calvin. He just wrote about what the Bible said and explained the layout of it exegetically.
Thank you for posting this. It definitely compliments everything I've been battling in my head. Im currently serving on the worship team of a reformed church who seems dead to the truth. Praise be to God for Holy Spirit conviction. I wont be there much longer. Thanks again and God bless.
How would you define dead to the truth?
@@jermoang1837 That is an easy one. They refuse John 3:16. They insist on changing the meaning of the grade three words a child can understand to their Cult doctrines.
Truth in Love
@@truth7416 Reformed theology does not refuse John 3:16 it’s absolutely affirmed. I’m not sure what you mean by cult doctrine since they 100% adhere to the authority of scripture. Its inerrancy and infallibly, there’s a lot of stereotypes and assumptions made about it I think because those who are opposed to it really don’t know exactly what it is but I think if you look into it you might find that you don’t disagree with with it as much as you think
@@jermoang1837 No they don't! They adhere to John Calvin's Cult teaching that relies on changing the following Words to what they were never intended to say. They have through John Calvin decided what scripture is not allowed to say. They then change the meaning of the words and ignore context.
In Romans 9 they need to change “mercy” to “salvation”.
In John 3:3 they need to change “see the kingdom” to “believe.”
In Ephesians 2:8,9 they need to assume faith is a limited gift only given to a select few when the passage doesn’t say that.
In Ephesians 1:4,5 they need to change it to say chosen to be in Him, when the passage doesn’t say that.
If you take every time the scriptures says "World" which is 20 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
If you take every time the scriptures says "Whoever" which is 16 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
If you take every time the scriptures says "Whosoever" which is 16 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
If you take every time the scriptures says "All" which is 16 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
If you take every time the scriptures says "Everyman" which is 6 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
Then yes, Calvin got it right. and Reformed Theology is "all" true true!
Truth in love
I was in Calvinism for nearly 20yrs and I'm free now. God bless you dearest Sister.❤🙏❤
I am in the middle of a battle against Calvinism in my life. Thank you for the video brother 🙏🏽
Forsake it completely as I did or it will rot your mind
I was an Arminian for 14 years until I began a deep study into the foreknowledge of God. I even held to the view of Molinism until someone challenged me to back it up with scripture. I then began to study this subject from the perspective of a Calvinist and came to the conclusion that their view is the one most supported in scripture. Then all verses in question began to make sense, especially Romans 9 and now I can truly say the scriptures rightly teach unconditional election and the rest of doctrines taught by reformers. I hope you keep searching until your mind settles 🙏
@@feliperiossanchez7229No! you have simply jumped from one Cult to another. There is no salvation in Calvinism. Calvi-god is no god at all. It is satan's nickname. He has you right where he wants you. Self pumped up that You yes You are a lottery salvation winner of calvi-jesus doctrine of demons. Wake up!
It’s supported by the Calvinist interpretation, it is not the clearly taught view. There are other interpretations that don’t make God a narcissist monster.
Reformed, especially Calvinist, love to say how they engaged deeply with scripture, implying that such depth naturally brings about Calvinism.
Just recently came out of my battle. God is equipping us to stand against this deception.
Thanks for exposing the Calvinist poison.
Calvinism is not a prison; it is a godly, biblical and rational explanation of God's sovereignty and saving grace.
What bothers many Christians is that it puts God far above sinful man.
Excellent word
This has to be the worst explanation of reformed theology I have ever heard. It’s beyond ridiculous. All this sermon proves is this pastor is not educated.
Ask yourselves this question.
Are you saved because of a smart decision you made of your own free will. Or because God saved you.
His idea of Gods sovereignty is ridiculous. Comparing God to mere man.
Read your whole Bible friends. God doesn’t shy away from his Sovereignty. He hardens Pharos heart? Why?
The free gift is definitely available to all. The problem is in your free will, you will NEVER choose Christ. In John it says NO MAN can come to Jesus unless the father draws him. Does he draw every human who ever lived? Did he draw hitler? If he did, then did God fail?
Could have Jesus went to the cross and man in his free will not one single person accept his gift. Was God in heaven hoping someone would get saved?
No!
Jesus said he came for HIS sheep.
You don't know the Bible.
All men can and are commanded to believe. It is our free will that gets in the way.
John 1:9 "That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world."
John 12:32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."
Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
2 Pet. 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
The Bible is what builds faith.
Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
Learn more here: ua-cam.com/video/sysigecl60A/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Yes I AM saved because of a decision I made. Of course God made the first move by deciding to give me the offer. HOWEVER are YOU saved? How do you KNOW? Calvinism says God chooses based on his good pleasure. So can you tell me exactly what pleasure he found in you? You cannot know if youre saved because you have no idea on what basis God chooses. There are 3 choices for you
1) He chooses based on works (you and I both reject that I assume)
2) He draws names for a hat
3) He saves those who place their faith in him willingly
So you see, even if calvinism were true, there is still a condition. God has a reason for everything he does, so what is his reason for choosing you? If you dont know the answer, you cant know youre saved. You could also be suffering from "evanescent grace" the calvinist notion that God tricks people into believing theyre saved, only to fond in the end they arent. That is why calvinism is the same as arminianism, for both say that if you dont persevere til the end youre lost, and neither can know if theyre saved. Both John Piper and John MacArthur have stated they will not know for sure until they die. The "sheep" you refer to were not the "elect" as youre thinking. They are those who had already believed the Father and had faith, so they were ready to accepth that Jesus was the messiah. that is why Jesus said "my sheep hear my voice" because those who had already believed God (the Father) would naturally believe the Son. None of the "sheep" were forced or predestined to believe. they believed willingly, Just as Cornelius did
@@TruthLewiston all you did was pull verses out of context
@@caman171 nope
@@brandon1967w ah the famous calvinist responses are
1) "strawman"
2) "you just dont understand calvinism"
3) "nope"
The illustration at the beginning of the sermon is 100% accurate.
Tell me something, Calvinists: why would you listen to the entire sermon if you think it's wrong?
The sermon is truth. That's why you listen to it.
For example: I wouldn't listen to a Jehovah (false) Witness speak for 5 seconds. The doctrine is wrong. And I don't need to listen to them.
But the Calvinists will tune into a truthful sermon such as this one delivered by Mr Logan Fowler, because they are insecure and are not convinced that their doctrine is accurate.
Let me help you out here.
I was in a calvinist church for 3 years. The calvinist pastors are deceivers. And they don't even realize it. They double talk. They don't tell you what they really believe. They don't know the difference between the church and Israel. They play "jackrabbit theology" where they dodge a topic and jump to another to avoid being exposed. They take one verse out of context and wedge it into their false man-made system that is rooted in gnosticism, Greek philosophy and Roman Catholicism. They do not compare scripture with scripture.
Calvinist pastors are deceived. They have misled you.
Mr Fowler is trying to help you.
You have to consistently listen to KJV rightly-dividing pastors such as Logan Fowler, James Knox, Laurence Vance and David Cloud to help you untangle the calvinistic cobwebs.
Changing is tough. But it is necessary and you will be a great witness for the Lord Jesus Christ if you ditch the false doctrine of Calvinism.
I had a brother-in-law who was an elder at a PCA church. He anathematized me and my family for rejecting that God predestines everything that happens. He was an Air Force pilot and it turned out that he was cheating on this wife whenever he left town. Once he was exposed he went through some sort of rehabilitation through his church. He said she was being a b*tch for not immediately taking him back like she was supposed to. Turns at that God "predestined" that she give him his walking papers.
Good job pastor. Keep going.
Rc Sproul takes 2nd Peter 3:9 and says the "any" in God not willing that any should perish and twisted it into he was only talking to the any in which his letter was speaking to, basically any of you guys that are in this room listening to me. I just can't imagine a man who is supposed to be a shepherd of the flock would take such a beautiful verse of encouragement and promise in scriptures and just completely jerk it away from someone who is struggling with the assurance of salvation!
R.C. Sprout was correct. If you follow the pronouns in 2 Peter you come to the solid conclusion that the author (Peter) was speaking to the visible Church. I would encourage anyone to give it a read from Chapter 1 verse 1.
If you want assurance of salvation read 1 John.
It is called reading and interpreting in context. Bible reading 101 is looking at who the letter was written to and why. We don't open the book and point a finger at some text and think it is for me...
The Calvinists also say all isn't all. ..then have not All sinned and come short of Gods glory? Yeah ... they say world isn't world .. so on and so forth . It's sad theology .
@@glo9547
Sometimes the Greek word for "all" most certainly doesn't mean all without exception, sometimes (in context) it is referring to all without distinction, such as all mankind, Jew and Gentile. You must remember that the original language is not like English.
John 12:19 is a great example of "world" not meaning "the whole world without exception"...
After Jesus' triumphal entry into Jerusalem,the Pharisees said:
19 So the Pharisees said to one another, “You see that you are gaining nothing; look, the world has gone after Him.”
Please don't judge too quickly. There is merit in what I am saying brother. There are some so-called Calvinists that are spreading a form of hyper-Calvanism that's not biblical, I get it. But true biblical doctrine is in the grasp of those who stay true to the infallibility and sufficiency of Scripture to reveal truth and godliness to us.
RC Sproul was lost. He believed in baptismal regeneration. So yes, he was manipulating scripture. That's why reformed theology is probably the most deadly false doctrine there is, because it's hard to detect, lots of people fall for it, and they twist words to confuse people. Case in point: Look at how many people in the American church have a calvinist viewpoint. Satan is in the religion business. Calvinism is one of his favorites. You can spot a false teaching mormon, Jehovah witness, Imam in islam, very easy.
The reformed theology has just enough poison to kill you. It's like rat poison: 99.8% cornmeal, and 0.2% arsenic- and that 0.2% kills the rat.
The Reformation is part of History. Calvin did not make a new doctrine but all he did is referring to the early church fathers like John Chrysostom, against the heresies of the Catholic church However I gladly give you some Bible text
Words like “predestined - predestinated - foreknowledge - elect - election - foreordained” appear with regularity and are always the basis for Pauline teaching on salvation. When someone denies personal predestination from before the foundation of the World” it shows that they have never really stood toe-to-toe with the Bible and read it for what it actually says. The staunchest brick wall opposition to deny the truth of God’s word is always built on traditions of men; never on the clear word of Scripture. Our fleshly, human ego just loves the idea that our “will” is totally at liberty. Yet, the Bible tells us that we are “dead in trespasses and sins.” Human tradition refuses to believe that. And Biblical salvation is always based on God’s free and sovereign grace, Only His will and His good pleasure; NEVER on our willingness first and God’s grace last. Again, human tradition refuses to believe that.
Exodus 33:19 And he said, “I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The Lord.’ And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy.
Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.
Matthew 20:23 He said to them, “You will drink my cup, but to sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.”
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.”
Matthew 25:34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
Mark 13:20 And if the Lord had not cut short the days, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days.
John 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.
John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
John 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
John 17:9 I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.
Romans 8:28-30 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
Romans 9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
Romans 11:7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened,
2 Timothy 1:9 Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,
Ephesians 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will.
Ephesians 1:11-12 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory.
1 Peter 1:2 According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
1 Peter 1:20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you
Galatians 1:15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace,
1 Thessalonians 1:4 For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you,
Revelation 13:8 And all who dwell on earth will worship it, ( So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast) everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
Revelation 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more.
Revelation 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan WILL BE released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. “WILL BE” means it will happen BECAUSE of God’s Decree.
Why now release Satan to deceive the nations? This lifetime is short and Hell is forever. Would you rather be presumptuous and not find out the truth. Never Lost is Never Saved.
How much FREE-WILL do people in Thailand have with 93% practicing Buddhist and 5.5% Islam 1.5% divided in no religion and Christians? To be born & raised a Buddhist only a miracle from our Sovereign Lord can change the heart of a person. If God wanted all to be saved all would be saved. The old covenant was for Israel only. The new covenant does not have limitation to certain people.
God elected/chose/predestinated believers -- those "in him." And, yes, not one of these will be lost. Watch this debate. It will help you: ua-cam.com/video/pjBsZBdTSnM/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Mormonism is part of history also. And yet they miss the mark on Scripture.
Luther was a part of history and even the Reformation, but in later life he was a raging antisemite and a proponent of the heresy we now call Replacement Theology.
Just because someone is part of history - even the history of the church - doesn't mean they were right. That's why it's vital we interpret Scripture separated from our preconceived notions. If we go in looking for Calvinism, we'll find it. If we go in asking God to teach us what the Scriptures *actually* say, we'll find that also.
@@shawnkeith1164 That is why I have all these Bible text there. Bud God can Harden hearts. And they will not be saved
@@TruthLewiston You should get off that Pulpit. It will give you unspeakable grief and PAIN. This Reply is not hate, but out of love and concern for you.
Why do you think God has to harden people's hearts and blind their eyes? Because they COULD get saved, but after watching them reject Christ again and again, God decides to stop giving them chances.
The fact that God blinds eyes is actually proof that they could have been saved. Why would unelect people need to be blinded?
Thank you again for exposing the caustic Calvinist doctrine. Really, thank you very very much. Jesus The Messiah is smiling on you.
Awesome teaching sir 🫡
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Tilting at windmills. You have in no way defeated Calvinism, you have not even represented it. You vastly underestimate the holiness of God. Answer me this, was it evil for God to destroy all of humanity, save Noah and his family, during the flood? If not, why not? Remember, there were two year old's at the time of the great flood friend, even younger than that I would wager.
It was evil for mankind to become so wicked that God changed his mind about ever creating them.
Genesis 6:6 "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."
There was nothing evil about God sending judgment, but did God have a heart for the innocent two-year-olds at the flood? You bet he did. Just like he did for the two-year-olds in Ninevah. Jesus said suffer the little children to come unto me. God does not damn little ones to hell. They are innocent. Calvinism is stupidity. Learn more about this here: ua-cam.com/video/mFYwF4qOFGE/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Jonah 4:11 "And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?"
@@TruthLewiston was God unjust in destroying what you consider to be innocent 2 year olds, and younger, in the great flood? Simple question. You are dodging.
@sevencrickets9258 No, God was not unjust. Just as he was not unjust when David's child died or Stephen was stoned. All of these individuals immediately went to paradise/heaven. Our light affliction on this earth cannot even be compared to the eternal weight of glory that awaits.
What would be unjust would be to throw innocent babies in hell to burn for eternity for his glory, as deformed theology teaches.
Understand?
2 Samuel 12:23 ... “But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.”
I do not understand. Isn't the definition of murder the unjust taking of life. If the babies were innocent, it would be unjust to destroy them, and therefore it would be murder on God's part. If however they are not innocent, meaning they are under the headship of Adam at birth, then they, like all of us apart from Christ, deserve death. Are you accusing God of murder? Additionally to be clear, I Believe God is just, and no one will be in hell who should not be. Do you believe abortion the be the best way to fill heaven?
The issue is not in predestination, but in the presumptions of men in light of that doctrine which they attach to it. The same applies to those who deny predestination. If God is sovereign, then all is under his foot. Your belief, your faith, your repentance, it cannot in itself do anything. Only God can save you. He has to will it. The New Testament articulates how God has chosen to act, which is to save, and what he asks of us humans, to repent and believe, and fulfill the great commission. This doesn't undermine his divine sovereignty. God said how he acts and what he asks.
God predestinated believers (not simply individuals) to go to heaven and unbelievers to go to hell. God is sovereign and mankind has a freewill. These are not contradictory concepts.
@@TruthLewistonBlasphemy.
And God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Pet. 3:9
God chose people before the foundation of the world. These will all be drawn by the Holy Spirit to believe in Christ. Those who are not chosen, God allows them to choose Christ on their own free will. They will all reject the Gospel freely, because they love their sin more.
HAVE YOU EVER READ THESE PASSAGES?? What you claim as blasphemy is literally written in the Bible! The pharisees claimed the same about Jesus. You are indeed following their footsteps.@@DieAbsoluteWahrheit
Pride is the main fuel that keeps Calvinism afloat. Feeling super-duper special and the super elite within Christendom that they have the "only true knowledge" keeps people in bondage to this cult.
It grieves me how we Christians hate one another so. I will not dare to presume say which side is correct. I grew up on one side, but as the years have passed, I lean toward the other side. When we all get to heaven,, will it have mattered? Or. Will the Lord ask, did you see to win the lost? Did you love the brethren? Will He ask, Did you seek Me first above your own glory. Christian, did you love me above all else? Remember, Jesus tells us there will be surprises about who gets to heaven, and who gets what reward. Each of us is only responsible to God for their ownself not for my neighbor who doesn't hold "correct " doctrine. Let's stop looking around, and start looking at ourselves.
@@kerenwilliams7775 Why not? The Word of God says we are to earnestly contend for the faith, that we are to expose false teachers and mark and avoid them, and it so clearly refutes reformed theology that it's laughable that anyone would even believe it. If you're afraid to call out false teaching then read the Word of God more! How can we ever be a light unto the world if we're nervously self examining all the time? We're supposed to be confident and fearless and especially confident in him and his promises. God told us not to be afraid many times in both the old and new testaments.
I must ask, how does the elect KNOW they are elect and not just thinking they? Based on the argument that some will here "depart from me, I never knew you." How do you 100% for sure know you are elect?
I’m going to tell you a story. For the purposes of my story, I’m going to be Mrs. Fowler, Pastor Logan’s wife. One beautiful Sunday morning I invite a couple of children home after church to play in the Fowler garden. Sallie and Janie accept eagerly. Once there, I tell them my rules: you can eat any of the wholesome foods from any of the plants in my garden. Asparagus and spinach and English peas and kale. Eat to your heart’s content. But from the candy tree in the middle of the garden-licorice and taffy and lollypops and tootsie rolls and chocolate bars-you shall not eat. And if you dare, very bad things will happen to you.
The little girls had great fun playing. They ran and skipped and jumped and climbed and danced. At last they were very tired and very hungry. They looked around them at the available food. Spinach? Ugh, they hated that. Kale? Even worse. Mushy peas? Are you kidding me? This is awful!
But then Sallie took a glance toward the center of the garden. A huge tree with low lying branches. All the luscious candy they had ever enjoyed! Easy pickings! They went over and each selected several. They remembered what Mrs. Fowler had said, but they were HUNGRY. They took a bite. They took a lick. They bit and licked and bit and licked till they were all gone.
Suddenly, Mrs. Fowler appeared, red eyes blazing! She ordered them out of the garden and let them know they would never be allowed to return. Not only that, but they would die young. They might live into their twenties and have a child or two. But then, they would die miserable deaths. And the same would happen to every single one of their miserable children. And their children’s children. And they’re children’s children’s children. The progeny of such wicked, naughty little children! The offspring of disobedience!
Now, in this story, Mrs. Fowler is “God.” What would you call this God if you had to describe them? Evil? Unmerciful? Horrendous? Totally lacking in all compassion?
Oh, and I have another story. This time Mrs. Fowler invited a bunch of Sunday Schoolers out to dinner at parishioners homes all over the city. Thirty of fourth places. She and her husband had trained a couple of dozen evangelists to go out to whichever home they wanted. They had tried to train more, but there just wasn’t enough volunteers. And some of those they did have weren’t the greatest teachers in the world…if you know what I mean. They might have trouble selling a fresh-off-the-grill juicy hamburger to a starving, homeless person. After the meal, each evangelist gave a gospel presentation. And many of the kids “walked forward” to give their lives to Christ at the homes where the talented evangelists taught. Fewer at the homes where the evangelists had less talent. Almost none at the homes were the teacher with little ability. And none, of course, at the dozen or so houses where no one showed up.
All the children who didn’t walk forward were strapped to railroad tracks and run over. They only had themselves to blame. They heard the word and didn’t respond. (Well, of course, except for those who never heard. So sad about them. We need more missionaries!)
So, now, what kind of a “God” would you characterize Mrs. R. Minnie Ann Fowler to be?
Despicable? Unfair? Mean-spirited? Weak? Vengeful? You decide!
Analogies are really good ways to twist the teachings of those who oppose you. No Calvinist would even begin to recognize the supposed god of Calvinism that Pastor Fowler depicted. In his story, Bobby and Joey were human…and so was “God.” And this is the problem with so much of Arminian thought. You anthropomorphize God. You cannot see that God is on a whole nother level altogether. A whole nother plane of existence. Calvinists ascribe to human beings just as much freedom of will as Arminians do. But they also ascribe to God perfect sovereignty over things. Kind of like an author has sovereignty over how characters act in a book they are writing.
I’m pretty sure there are not many videos out there that denigrate Arminians with such vitriol. Most Calvinists look at you as our brothers and sisters in Christ. To be fair, many-if not most-Arminians return the favor.
And then there are the haters. They have amended their Bibles to read:
“Hate those who love you. Do evil unto those who treat you well.”
Christ used both analogy and satire, so we know they can be helpful when sharing or defending truth. Our analogy is based on mainstream Calvinist doctrine as clearly outlined in the Westminster Confession of Faith. If you disagree with the Westminster Confession you should stop calling yourself a Calvinist.
3:6 "The rest of mankind God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of his own will, whereby he extendeth or withholdeth mercy as he pleaseth, for the glory of his sovereign power over his creatures, to pass by, and to ordain them to dishonor and wrath for their sin, to the praise of his glorious justice."
The above quote matches our analogy perfectly, but it does not match scripture which tells us all men can be saved.
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
Agreed. This is sad teaching
@@themedialies6613 No, a sad teaching is to say the God brings babies in the world and ordains for them to be aborted and thrown in hell. That's what the Westminster Confession teaches.
10:3-4 "Elect infants, dying in infancy, are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit ... Others, not elected, ... cannot be saved"
@@TruthLewiston. No, sir, you are wrong. The Westminster Confession is but one confession of the Reformed community, and there is no compulsion to subscribe to it to be considered a Calvinist. There are also the Belgic Confession, the Heidelberg Catechism, the Canons of Dordt, and the 1689 London Baptist Confession.
And here’s what one Calvinist says about the “elect infants” line:
“The idea of ‘elect infants’ neither asserts nor denies that all infants dying in infancy are saved. Rather it tacitly concludes that at least some infants are redeemed.”
So it says absolutely NOTHING as to whether…or not…there are any infants condemned to hell. It merely states that at least some are redeemed.
Are all babies saved under Arminianism? I’m guessing there are a variety of answers to that. We simply don’t know. Scripture doesn’t tell us. Why should we quibble over this? Will not the Creator of all the world do what is right?
Your heart is clearly hardened, and you will not listen to me. Let me assure you that you know next to nothing about Calvinism as it is actually practiced. You are leading your followers astray. You purport to be a teacher, and Scripture says that you will be judged accordingly. I strenuously urge you to quit badmouthing your brothers and sisters in Christ in such an unjust manner.
May God bless you, my friend.
@@ericcarlson9885this was well said Eric. This is a delicate subject on either side of the camp. (Infants) And the rest you said there was spot on. God Bless you brother.
25:20 God is sovereign... he is free to do as he pleases. God is not obligated to control anything simply because he possess the ability. Calvinists assume God uses his power as they might if only they had it....
Thank God they don't. Satan is jealous of God's power, Calvinists also seem to have an uncanny focus on God's power.
They also always, always come from the perspective that "they are the "Elect" and need to show everyone else that they are not. The pride and arrogance is sickening.
I dont know much about Baptists, in general, but I assumed that they were all on board with that total depravity concept and sovereign predestination. Thanks for your insights, as an EO, you made my day a bit more refreshing. Thanks again for your content. Be well!
I’ve been in the Southern Baptist church for 50-years. We have never believed in or taught predestination. God Bless
These are calvinists, not all baptist are calvinist, prebysterians are also calvinists
Baptists are all over the map. Theologically sound Baptists agree with the London Confession of Faith. Spurgeon was one such Baptist, the greatest evangelist of the 19th century. Frankly, if you do not agree with the Apostles, Jesus, Augustin, Luther, Calvin, etc., then you may as well rejoin the Roman Catholic church to unite with others who reject the Reformation which ushered in reason, and abandoned superstition. History is pretty fascinating.
@@louskimming4371 Theologically sound? May I remind you that Spurgeon was saved in a Methodist Church. 90% of calvinists were "saved" in a non calvinist church. calvinist churches dont ever have true converts
@caman171 universal negative, you're being willing to say that destroys your credibility completely, go talk to yourself, I have no time for one who so blatantly lies. Low hanging fruit, one of the most intelligent people we can document, Edwards, was a Calvanist and became one in a Calvanist Church. That's not for your edification I am more than done with you. It's for others, just to prove how easily your lie is exposed to be a lie. Unmitigated liars can not be reasoned with.
The absurdity of this sermon. Try reading: Romans 8:29-30 states, “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.” Ephesians 1:5 declares, “He predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will” Romans 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. Romans 6: 37 “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out." If God chooses all to come and we have the ability to refuse, then our will out weighs God's will. If we make the choice to come then we could also choose later to leave. Thus our salvation is not secure since we as sinners are making the decision. This guy should not be a pastor! His eisegeses is amazing. He refutes Paul, Calvin, R.C. Sproul, John MacArthur. Any of these men if they forgot 90% of theology would still have vastly more knowledge then this man. Let's just repeat: "NO ONE SEEKS AFTER GOD! NO ONE" Now, if no one seeks after God then how/why would be make a decision for Christ. Predestination is God choosing some for salvation out of a world of mankind who are not seeking after God. This guy said the 1st step is "we" seek after God and then we are received. WRONG!!! Scripture states that first is God's drawing one and THEN we come. If God doesn't draw someone, then they will not come. That is exactly what Scripture states. The issue isn't the weakness of reformed/biblical theology, the weakness is the sinful nature of God. If we make the final decision then God loses each time someone chooses against God's will. God owes no one salvation! No one on their own seeks after God. If God left us to our own decision, then no one would be saved. But, God chooses to draw some, redeem them and bring them into relationship with Him. This guy truly has not concept of the holiness of God and the depravity of mankind. He seems to think we have the capacity to make a decision for God on our own. Also, if he is right (and he isn't) then if I make a decision for Christ and you don't, I have reason to brag; I did something that you refused to do; thus I made the decision, I did the right thing. Salvation is of the Lord. It is a gift! God is not obligated to give this gift to everyone. Those who are saved can only give glory to God, for they do not deserve it. If the decision is our own then we can state that salvation is of Christ and our own decision. Completely against Scripture which states that "no one can come except the Father draw them". It doesn't say, "No one can come unless THEY make the right decision!!"
Does this include those whose hearts have been made alive by the gospel?
I watched this a year or so ago and found it again today. This is an important post. Sat. Jan. 4, 2025, Missouri.
99% of all people who would read the Bible alone without any outside aids would not come up with the ideas of Calvinism. What does that say?
Wrong
That's why there is only a remnant that receive Gods effectual grace. Grace makes no sense in a free will doctrine. "Faith" doesn't earn Gods grace, salvific faith is the gift of Gods grace
@@ManassehJones Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
Faith, through repentance, are preached in all four of the gospels as a requirement for your salvation. John, Jesus, and all the Apostles told over and over again, "repent for the kingdom of GOD is at hand." Most Christians today don't believe this. Just say this simple prayer and believe aids manys path to hell.
@@robertc.frank1st203
Acts 17:30
In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
Correct.
Thank you for this wonderful message...!!!
This message is horribly wrong.
Truth Lewiston said:
"You do realize that you're simply quoting all of the failed Reformed talking points that I've already refuted in the video and in the comments section?
The Bible makes hearts come alive (look up "quicken" in scripture and read Romans 10:17).
God draws all men unto him (John 12:32), though some men resist the Holy Spirit (Acts 7:51).
Here's a straightforward, simple question I'd like to give you the chance to answer. None of your colleagues have even dared to. What does the word "all" mean in this verse?
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
i said:
You need to understand "all without distinction" (Jew and gentile, groups, kinds.ect) and "all without exception" (everyone).
John 12:32 the all is "all without distinction" because if all means everyone and the Greek word for "draw" is put rather as "drag" and is the same Greek word in John 6:44 in which this "draw/drag" is effectual then you just stated that God effectually brings everyone to Christ and I don't think you believe universalism. So its rather put God draws "all without distinction" not "all without exception"
Acts 7:51 I'd say the workings of salvation are not even an issue in Acts 7:51 because Stephen isn't inviting his hearers to become believers. Stephen's just scolding them for being opposed to God's work in the world and, in particular, the Spirit's work of witnessing to Christ through the early church leaders.
But even if his hearers were resisting a call to be saved, we'd make a distinction between God's general call that goes out to all men and can be resisted and his effectual call which cannot.
Here's a straightforward, simple question I'd like to give you the chance to answer. None of your colleagues have even dared to. What does the word "all" mean in this verse?
(I did lol) you should read that comment I made. further up.
Romans 5:18 Simply put, all men represented in Adam are condemned. Likewise, all men represented in Christ are justified. All those in Adam will be condemned. All those in Christ will be granted eternal life. Each all is as comprehensive of its representative head.
Paul's dealing with Adams federal headship.
lets see if he will reply.
Cute idea, but the problem is that you have to add to scripture to get there. Here's your rewrite:
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men REPRESENTED IN ADAM to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men REPRESENTED IN CHRIST unto justification of life."
Shall we rewrite whatever passages don't fit your doctrine?
I Tim. 2:4-6 "Who will have all men to be saved REPRESENTED IN CHRIST, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all REPRESENTED IN CHRIST, to be testified in due time."
Heb. 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man REPRESENTED IN CHRIST."
Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth REPRESENTED IN CHRIST: for I am God, and there is none else."
Isaiah 53:66 "All we REPRESENTED IN ADAM like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one REPRESENTED IN ADAM to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all REPRESENTED IN CHRIST."
Titus 2:11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men REPRESENTED IN CHRIST"
And this is just a small sample of verses. Wow, you have a lot of rewriting to do!
Proverbs 30:6 "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
@@TruthLewiston “Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men REPRESENTED IN ADAM to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men REPRESENTED IN CHRIST unto justification of life."
Right because any other way would be: everyone in Adam and now everyone is in Christ is righteous, how do you not see that? Plus the context is federal headship. So saying “cute idea” and then saying my interpretation and its context is faulty…. You therefore believe in universalism.
I don’t have try to argue your mocking about me interpreting Romans 5:18 and the fore that means all these verses you listed have the same interpretation it’s about context which you don’t seem to understand.
You never disproved my interpretation you just took other verses, and say well may as well use it here then. This is honestly childish and then you completely skipped all my other rebuttals.
@@TruthLewiston also wait to you reliaze other translations have different words that represent the same Greek and Hebrew text. But all you believe is KJVO and I’m not gonna try to debate with that arrogance.
@@JesseVarnon That's an illogical conclusion. The free gift is available to all men, but it is up to men to receive it or not.
John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
And here are all those verses again without your additions to them. Please, just read and believe. Faith comes by hearing the word of God, not by hearing the Reformed nonsense. Praying for you.
I Tim. 2:4-6 "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."
Heb. 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."
Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."
Isaiah 53:66 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."
Titus 2:11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men"
Rom. 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
@@TruthLewiston "That's an illogical conclusion. The free gift is available to all men, but it is up to men to receive it or not."
Romans 5:18 would therefore mean that this "righteousness" done by Christ is given to "all" in your interpterion is "everyone" then Christ satisfied the wrath for from the Father for everyone and therefore no one can stand condemned, you are implying that this gift "righteousness and satisfied wrath" must be naturally accepted apart from divine intervention and mans incapacity to due what is spiritually pleasing to God. (Genesis 6:5; Genesis 8:21; Ecclesiastes 9:3; Jeremiah 17:9; Mark 7:21-23; John 3:19; Romans 8:7-8; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 4:17-19; Ephesians 5:8; Titus 1:15.) Your adding that this gift which must be received (I agree with that it must be received) comes before regeneration and is for all without exception. Regeneration precedes faith (Romans 8:14; 1 Corinthians 2:10-13; 1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 Corinthians 12:3; 2 Corinthians 3:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17-18; 1 Peter 1:1-2, Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18; Acts 13:48; Acts 16:14; Acts 18:27; Ephesians 2:8-9; Philippians 1:29; 2 Timothy 2:25-26, Romans 8:14; 1 Corinthians 2:10-13; 1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 Corinthians 12:3; 2 Corinthians 3:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17-18; 1 Peter 1:1-2. We disagree on the order of the how this gift and I say is for all without distinction is made, God regenerates you and then believe and accept the gift. (Ephesians 2:1-10)
"Faith comes by hearing the word of God, not by hearing the Reformed nonsense." Praying for you."
I agree that faith comes by hearing the word of God, its the means God uses to draw His elect to the ends He established. Faith is a gift of God not a result of mans works (Ephesians 2:8-9) I also prayed for you, I'm just merely disagreeing on interpretations.
"1 Tim. 2:4-6 "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."
1 Timothy 2:4
The key to this passage, again, is the context: 1 Timothy 2:1-6. The first appearance of the phrase “all men” comes at the end of 1 Timothy 2:1. The very next phrase of the sentence explains Paul’s meaning: “…for kings and all who are in authority.” Why would Paul have to given such instructions? First, if one takes “all men” in 1 Timothy 2:4 to mean “all men individually,” does it not follow that Christ of necessity must be mediator for all men as well? If one says, “Yes, Christ mediates for every single human being,” does it not follow that Christ fails as mediator every times a person negates his work by their all-powerful act of free will? One could hope that no biblical scholar would ever promote such an idea, for anyone familiar with the relationship between atonement, mediation, and intercession in the book of Hebrews knows well that to make such an assertion puts the entire argument of Hebrews 7-10 on its head. For the moment, we simply point out that it is far more consistent with biblical theology to recognize that Christ mediates in behalf of the elect and perfectly saves them than it is to assert that Christ mediates for all (but fails to save all). So its "all without distinction".
"Heb. 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."
Verse 10 is the support for verse 9: Christ tasted death for everyone "for it was fitting for him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings." In other words, immediately after saying that by the grace of God Christ tasted death for everyone, the writer explains that God's design in this suffering of Christ was to "bring many sons to glory." This means that the "everyone" of verse 9 probably refers to every one of the sons being led to glory in verse 10. In other words the design of God-the aim and purpose of God-in sending Christ to die was particularly to lead his children from sin and death and hell to glory. He had a special eye to his own elect children. It's exactly what the gospel of John says in 11:52-that Jesus would die to "gather together into one the children of God who are scattered abroad." These "children of God" that Christ died to gather are the "sons" that God is leading to glory through the death of Christ in Hebrews 2:10.
"Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
I agree God commands all without exception to repent :) but God commanding does not mean mean we have the capacity to do all He commands. He commands us to be Holy and perfect as the Father is holy and perfect does that mean we have a capacity to be holy and perfect or an incapacity? Again repentance is something the Sprit grants. (Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18; Acts 13:48; Acts 16:14; Acts 18:27; Ephesians 2:8-9; Philippians 1:29; 2 Timothy 2:25-26.)
"Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."
I also agree with that verse I believe God has a people under every nation and tongue. (all without distinction)
"Isaiah 53:66 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."
Again the context here's the full context:
Who has believed what he has heard from us?[a]
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 For he grew up before him like a young plant,
and like a root out of dry ground;
he had no form or majesty that we should look at him,
and no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected[b] by men,
a man of sorrows[c] and acquainted with[d] grief;[e]
and as one from whom men hide their faces[f]
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he has borne our griefs
and carried our sorrows;
yet we esteemed him stricken,
smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
and with his wounds we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned-every one-to his own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
Verse 1 "who has believed" Verse 4 He has born "our griefs". This is the elect, those believing He bore their sin. Verse 6 the "All" is "all those who believed" not for thos who haven't believed.
"Titus 2:11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men"
The context makes the meaning very clear; "older men" (Tit 2:2), "older women" (Tit 2:3), "young women," (Tit 2:4) "husbands," (Tit 2:4, 5), "children" (Tit 2:4), "younger men" (Tit 2:6), "bondservants" (Tit 2:9) and "masters"(Tit 2:9) alike are all guilty before God, but from them all God gathers his people (Rev 5:9; 7:9). Therefore they should should live consecrated lives (Tit 2:12-13). Titus 2:14 confirms this meaning as Paul writes, "who gave himself for us to redeem us [a specific group] from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people ["a people," not all people] for his own possession who are zealous for good works." (all without distinction)
"Rom. 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Right again I agree the whosoever refers to the elect seen in many other passages its the order election precedes salvation.
Now did i manipulate the scriptures you gave in any way? Or did I show it context? I believe scripture interprets scripture.
Interesting. I need to listen to this a few more times. I am hearing that the God of Reformed Theology is Absurd and not the True God. I assume this position means people who believe in Reformed Theology are not saved, since they are not following the True God. Would that be a fair statement or am I reading too far into what is being stated here?
Anyone whose faith is in Christ and Christ alone can be saved. But the way you view God will definitely impact how you live, preach, and share Christ in this world.
For example, Bible believers know that Satan is trying to blind minds so they don't believe, and also know that the Bible has the power to quicken hearts so they can believe. Sadly, Calvinists don't see either of these aspects correctly.
We talk a little bit more about this in this video: ua-cam.com/video/pjBsZBdTSnM/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
@@TruthLewiston I will listen to this link after writing this. Maybe I am wrong but it seems that you are not answering my question. Your answer "Anyone whose faith is in Christ and Christ alone can be saved" But in this video you state that the God of the Calvinist is absurd and not the True God. Please tell me if I am not representing you correctly, but if the Reformed God is absurd and not the True God then it must be a false God. Correct? We cannot be saved by a false God. On a side note: If are faith is in the true Christ, we can be saved or we will be saved?
@@winfieldgross5672 The Calvinist view of God is absolutely absurd when you study the doctrines and extrapolate them. The average "Calvinist" doesn't realize this until you explain it to them though.
Salvation is by grace through faith in the blood of Christ. If that's what they believe, great. Now they need to understand the way of God more perfectly.
Acts 18:25-27 "This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly."
@@TruthLewiston Why are you not answering my question?
@@winfieldgross5672 You ask an insincere and foolish question. And such questions are not to be answered. Christ showed us this.
Proverbs 26:4 "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him."
To say that someone isn't or can't be saved because they go to a church that has "reformed" in its title is stupidity.
Finally someone tells it like it is. Great message!
John 1: 12-13 "But as many as received him, he gave them power to be sons of God, even to them that believe on his name; Who were born, not of blood, nor the will of the flesh, nor the will of man, but of God.
This man thinks he was born again of his own will.
1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
God gives us freewill. God’s will is that all men be saved, but all men will not.
@reginaldbutler7066 so you were born again using your will?
@reginaldbutler7066 Why does God only save some? Why doesn't He save all?
If man was not created a free moral agent, then he was not created in the image of God.
wow, absolutely! I need to remember this
If man wasn’t created with the ability to create matter, then he wasn’t created in the image of God.
Man was created free, and he used his freedom to become a slave of sin, and was no longer a free moral agent, but one enslaved to sin. He became a dead man who does not love God, and until Christ sets you free, you will love sin and hate God. This is the teaching of the Bible.
@@Quinnrodius
When the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
{Ezekiel 18:24}
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
{Ezekiel 33:11}
@@samueladams4577
Being created in the image of God doesn't mean created with the same abilities, or power, or authority!🤣😂😅
It's about the *moral agency* of mankind, as opposed to the instinctive life of the rest of creation.
We need to ask the question, "Why do Christians go to Reformed Churches?" The advent of the entertainment based mega churches has pushed many Bible believers out of the Church. So, you visit a Reformed Church, even a Reformed Baptist Church and for a while it looks good! They use Hymn books, they pray, it's not chaos, and for a while all is good. After several years you realize that Calvin and the 'Confessions' have replaced the Holy Spirit. It gets worse, it's like the spell wears off, and the 'Determinism', turns into hopelessness, and you have what seems like a 'Probational Salvation' if you are not perfectly Holy. And your Christan life is a depressed mess. Years ago, the infighting of Independent Baptist Churches, and scandals led me to a Reformed Church. And I left after 10 years a mess. If you can find a 'Non-Ruckmanite' independent Baptist Church join it. There are some good churches out there but there are few and far between. If you are blessed enough to have a real pastor - pray and fast for him.
The speakers story at the beginning was full of crap - there’s nothing in that story that has any relevance to the story of salvation- you are not portraying the God of the scriptures - please explain Rom ch 9
Romans 9 = God has mercy on those who use their free will to believe.
Romans 9:33 "As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."
@@TruthLewiston God has Mercy on people who use their free will?
So Gods Grace is dependent on your free will?
You should read the bible.
Romans 9 Talks about people prepared for hell and Heaven.
Honor and dishonor.
Wow how arrogant....This guy fails to adequately address the Scriptures that support predestination .....The idea of predestination is strongly supported throughout Scripture....This guy avoids discussing Romans 9 in order to support his position.....No one can come to the Son unless the Father draws that person to Christ.John 6:44....&.....If you do indeed come to faith in Christ it is because the Holy Spirit has drawn you through the message of the Power of the Gospel....God knows ahead of time who will accept and who will reject the Gospel....That's what is meant by the elect ......This guys absurd examples and analogies show that he doesn't desire to examine ALL of Scripture...Although.I am not a five point Calvinist i do believe in the total depravity of man.... I believe that if you come to faith in Christ 99.9999% of credit goes to God and His REDEMMING GRACE....BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED THROUGH FAITH SO NO MAN MAY BOAST.... It is God who saves ....Human effort apart from God cannot save anyone.....Lastly I have a question for this arrogant "pastor".....When God passed judgement on Sodom and Gomorrrah were there any small children in those towns???? Yet Only Lot and his family were spared right???? And were there any young children in the time of Noah??? yet only only Noah and His family were spared in the Great Flood ALL OTHERS PERISHED.....I don't claim to have all the answers but this " pastor" is quite arrogant to think that only he has the right answers.....God's ways are not our ways and at times we just must accept that He is God.....He is Sovereign... and we are NOT
Here's a full video on Romans 9: ua-cam.com/video/sysigecl60A/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
And here's a video on children and innocence: ua-cam.com/video/mFYwF4qOFGE/v-deo.html
Watch, learn, and grow.
I think that you need to learn to be a bit more humble...RE-READ MY POST.........Despite what you think you don't have all the answers .....GOD SAVES...... and your ridiculous analogies of a child tied to a railroad track and your criticisms of John McArthur, Paul Washer, RC Sproul and John Piper only demonstrate your immaturity and arrogance......There is much biblical support for Predestination of the Elect despite what you might or might not believe.... Read the writings of Charles Spurgeon which also would disagree with your viewpoints...\@@TruthLewiston
This is a blatant misrepresentation of Reformed Theology and who God is. He makes the same mistake that most opponents of Reformed Theology makes which discounts God's absolute and all-knowing sovereignty and omniscience. If God is all knowing then He knows your choice before you do. That doesn't take away from His loving kindness one bit. You can't pick and choose the attributes of God according to what pleases you.
Knowing the future is much different than dictating the future. God did not force mankind to sin just as he does not force a man to molest a child. This ungodly choice is made by the freewill of man.
Genesis 6:6 "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."
Your theology is deformed. How have we misrepresented it?
Read 1Samuel 23. David ask God will Saul come down to Keilah. God said,” he will come.” David ask, “ will the men deliver me over to his hand?” God said, “ they will.”
David left the city. Saul heard about it and didn’t come. The men of the city didn’t turn him over. All conditional
"You can't pick and choose the attributes of God according to what pleases you.".... that's exactly what reformed theology does.
So God doesn't love everyone who believes in the triune God?
It absolutely is not a misrepresentation
I'm enjoying your sermons pastor
So does the enemy.
@themedialies6613 Why does the enemy enjoy his sermons.
Using a very similar analogy your “god” would allow the little 2 year old to get hit by the train because his own immaturity and will didn’t cause him to move because all kids are stubborn. My God goes to the track and grabs the toddler, against his will and saves him…
You error, not knowing the scriptures. Babies are innocent. David knew this and knew he'd see his child again. Read your Bible more. Watch reformed videos less.
Matthew 19:14 "But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven."
Jonah 4:11 "And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand..."
2 Samuel 12:23 "But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me."
@@TruthLewiston our sinful nature is passed onto us at the moment of conception, inherited from our earthly fathers; Psalm 51:5 says “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me” The way babies that die are saved, (born and unborn), is the Father reveals the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ directly to them even in the womb if needed. We see this revealed to John the Baptist in Luke 1:41, “And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:” don’t you know these scriptures?
@@cal30m1 lol... We see that from a baby moving in the womb? That's quite a stretch, even for Calvinists... And the rest of babies burn in hell. This is deformed theology.
Babies inherit a sin nature, but not a sin record. There is major difference, but Calvinists are too stuck on their Confessions to see the easy answer in God's word.
We just covered this on Sunday. Learn the answer here: ua-cam.com/video/mFYwF4qOFGE/v-deo.html
He lay on the track for us in the person of Jesus Christ. And that way, Jesus got Himself excommunicated from the Calvinist churches.
@@TruthLewiston No one is innocent and time is the only barrier between youth and maturity.
Would you debate the reformed pastors you named?
Gladly.
@@TruthLewiston you should contact them and arrange for a debate
@@saab952001 They'd probably only do it if enough people called for it. Please help us make the case! Contact them too!
Of course not lol
Reformed theology teach about free-will, too. Seems you only know from hearing or reading half of this theology.
I thank the Lord for being Reformed by God through Reformed Doctrines.I will never,never gamble Reform Doctrines.I thank and praise the Lord for this.Thank You Lord for Reform Doctrines.
The blood of Christ is what saves, not reformed doctrines. You're praising the wrong thing.
Say it over and over and click your heels together and you will eventually believe it. The wizard (Satan) wouldn't lie to you!
Will you listen to yourself? Praising the doctrines of man and not the Word of God? TULIP is the doctrine of man, it is a fairy tale. It has nothing to do with biblical Christianity. As a former Calvinist of over 20 years, i understand Calvinism and Calvinism is vain babbling and Scripture warns about it. Please friend come to your senses
Okay I’m a Calvinist myself and the way you worded that is very bizarre. It like you’re venerating reformed doctrines 😂
It’s totally not a cult.
So, I wonder because I’ve been struggling with this very subject, what is your preferred Bible translation for a new Christian to study?
Thanks so much for this video!
Donna
In North Carolina
Hi Donna - Thanks for the question. We wholeheartedly recommend the KJV. We have a series on it here: ua-cam.com/play/PLhJqx76nhZjPraaVhXcgIth3VQ475NmJs.html&feature=shared
@@TruthLewistonthank you so much!
@@donnajordanlivingston7537Stick with the KJV only. God bless you sister
@@wretchedsinnerRighteousSavior🤣🤣🤣
I had the KJV but couldn't quite understand. I used the NLT as a beginner and it helped make the Bible practical and easier to understand. Then I went onto the NKJV when I matured. And I use all 3 now when I study with the KJV as the principle version
Why are these sites so obsessed with calvin? I don't have any care about calvin and I don't know where he is now.
However, scripture tells me that I was chosen to salvation. Scripture teaches our total depravity and our rebellion against God and HIS absolute sovereignty. You cannot read the Word and not see that God is and WILL be absolutely sovereign
The scripture doesn't say you were chosen to salvation. It says believers were chosen for salvation.
God chose those who ARE in him. God did not choose some TO BE in him.
Eph. 1:4 "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"
@@TruthLewiston I was chosen to salvation because I am a believer.
As a preacher you need to quit obsessing over calvin and bow to God's Word.
If you are saved -- God chose you
@@Over-for-now If you believe you are part of the chosen because you believed, you believe in conditional election! You are not a Calvinist at all. Congratulations. The requirement to be part of the chosen group (believers) is to believe! That's exactly what the Bible teaches:
John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
@@Over-for-now My part was to use my free will to receive the free gift of salvation through faith. God did the saving. I did the believing. This isn't hard.
John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
@@TruthLewiston Well well well, you FINALLY figured out that truth that lam NOT a calvinist and NEVER claimed to be. I have been saved since the early 50s and been sealed by that Holy Spirit of promise
So we should just ignore God each time he mentions his elect, and we should ignore the story of the potter who makes vessel for good, and other vessels for destruction, and when God said he was pleased with some people and hated others?
So we should just ignore ALL of these scriptures and place a different god in his place?
So also you then believe that Satan can turn and ask God for forgiveness and Satan will be forgiven and let into Heaven again, since your made up god is so loving that even Satan will not perish, for all are forgiven if they repent?
Brother God said that only one who is born again and baptized will enter into the kingdom of Heaven, not all who say Lord Lord shall enter the kingdom of Heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father, now this born again soul can only come to you by the Holy Spirit, and as you should know that the Holy Spirit is part of the Trinity, part of God, so your saying that even though this is all in the scripture, you say we should ignore all of this and now say that the path to Heaven and few find it, is now the wide path, and the way to destruction is now the narrow path?
Under your false preaching, we should ignore all of this compounding scripture, of Gods election, and instead put your self saving grace in its place? Come on brother there is so much scripture saying its Gods choice, and not of our own works. If you have to make up your own stories of railroad tracks and busses which do not come from scripture, to try to get people to turn away from cannon scripture, of the true God of the bible, then your teaching a false gospel.
This is going to blow your mind: God elected believers! He did not elect individuals randomly. He chose all who believe to be saved. That's what all those passages mean. Understand?
Calvinism is dead. The Bible is alive.
This guy has no idea what he's talking about.
Whosoever will not whosoever of the elect which is what Reformed add to John 3:16 or loved the world "of the elect" It is heresy nothing else!
Reformed Theology in general does not say that God purposly sends certain people to either heaven or hell. Notice the term in this following verse that God foreknew who would submit to Him this week would inherit this salvation. Romans 8:29-30 (ESV)
29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he
The way you are presenting this entire theology is false in itself. And you may think the way you are describing, but definitely not all do. It may be your opinion but it's not all factual.
Westminster Confession of Faith 3:3.
"By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and angels are predestinated unto everlasting life; and others foreordained to everlasting death."
@@TruthLewiston
“Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, ‘My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’; Calling a bird of prey from the east, The man of My purpose from a far country. Truly I have spoken; truly I will bring it to pass. I have planned it, surely I will do it.”
Isaiah 46:9-11 NASB1995
Amen. Great passage. Now reconcile it with facts like God repents (changes his mind based on the actions of man), pleads for all men to repent, and commands all men to repent. The only way to reconcile these things is that God 's good pleasure was to give mankind a freewill.
Jonah 3:10 "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
@@TruthLewiston you believe God changes His mind? You believe God learns?
@@Dan-qh2fv I believe exactly what the Bible says. God has predetermined responses to the choices of mankind. If Nineveh does not repent, he will judge it. If mankind does not repent, he will judge it. If repentance occurs, then he won't. The very fact that there are two possible outcomes is proof of a freewill. The reformed have absolutely no answer for this.
Jonah 3:10 "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
Wow. Thank you for this - I can feel chains breaking!
@AshleyLooney333
Looney is clearly appropriate.
AN ARMINIAN COMMENTED
"They were "Calvinist" under the cover of "PURITANS" Full Blown "Calvinist" a known fact. so are ashamed, to mention, who they really are."
MY RESPONSE
Hi, I am now a "full blown" Calvinist, and what I am most ashamed of is that I wasted 40 years of my life being an Arminian who despised Calvinism. During those 40 years I read the works of the Reformers and the Puritans, seeking to prove them wrong. I ended up in the dilemma of being convinced of the truth of Calvinism while still hating it as much as ever. I was miserable. I cried out to God to push me off the fence into whichever one was true. God pushed and simultaneously removed my stubborn stupidity. I landed squarely in the middle of full blown Calvinism, of which I am NOT ASHAMED!
As for your assessment that Puritans were ashamed of their Calvinism, I direct you to volume 2 of the works of Augustus Toplady, where he covers the history of the Puritans and their adamant confession of and support of their Calvinism.
BTW. Toplady also started out hating Calvinism but was convinced otherwise after reading these two works;
1. "The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination" by Jerome Zanchius, available free from grace-ebooks.com
2. "Sermons Upon John 17" by Thomas Manton, available free from Monergism.com
Grace and Peace
Yep, a simple sentence I have replied to people before is, God's offer of salvation to every human, is a **valid** offer to every single human being.
offer of salvation to every human, is what John Calvin did. Too many people are saying stuff about Calvin without knowing a thing about the Reformation. Calvin did not make a new doctrine. He brought back the teachings of the Early church. Not against Arminius. It is the other way around, But against the heresies of the Pope church of regeneration by Works and praying to saints. 30 Million Christians who followed the Reformation were Killed by Burning on the Stake, by the Catholic inquisition In the face of a most painful dead not giving up their faith. Saying that it was the result of a false doctrine, is crossing a dangerous line, and show of total ignorance of what Scripture says.
Other than the result of men’s refusal. Calvin as you can see and put the responsibility by men.
THIS IS HOW CALVIN PREACHED THE GOSPEL (Calvin's Wisdom p119-120)
He calls all men to himself, without a single exception, and gives Christ to all, that we may be illumined by him. When we pray, we ought, according to the rule of charity, to include all. God invites all indiscriminately to salvation through the Gospel, BUT THE INGRATITUDE OF THE WORLD IS THE REASON why this grace, which is equally offered to all, is enjoyed by few.
COMMENTARIES OF JOHN CALVIN ON THE BIBLE.
“He makes this favor common to all, because it is propounded to all, and not because it is in reality extended to all; for though Christ suffered for the sins of the whole world, and is offered through God’s benignity indiscriminately to all, yet all do not receive him.” [Calvin’s Commentary on Romans 5:18]
Nevertheless, forasmuch as it is not in us to discern between the righteous and the sinners that go to destruction, but that Jesus Christ has suffered His death and passion as well for them as for us, therefore it behoves us to labour to bring every man to salvation, that the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ may be available to them ...” [Sermon CXVI on the Book of Job (31:29-32)]
“The word many is not put definitely for a fixed number, but for a large number; for he contrasts himself with all others. And in this sense it is used in Romans 5:15, where Paul does not speak of any part of men, but embraces the whole human race.” [Calvin’s Commentary on Matthew 20:28]
“For he intended expressly to state [in John 3:16] that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favour of God, YET HE SHOWS HIMSELF TO BE RECONCILED TO THE WHOLE WORLD, when he invites all men without exception to faith in Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life.” (Calvin’s Commentary on the Gospel of John)
2 peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
calvinists: "yeah all OF THE ELECT"
@@tomtemple69So you believe God will never punish the world?
Because If all means all human beings then there will never be a Time for God to punish the world...
Generation follows generation.
And it God is graceful against whom?
Against US.
@@DieAbsoluteWahrheit He punishes those who reject Christ
@@tomtemple69 And are you better then those who reject him?
Are you smarter or better?
Or why did you choose to Accept Christ?
You have a hole in your theology big enough to drive a train through. Nice story but not at all biblical or what calvinism teaches. I feel sorry for you since in your position is a misrepresentation as an honest mistake or an intentional lie that will be punished for its purpose in leading people from the God of the Bible.
Your view of God places Him a little bit more powerful then humans but existing in the same reality of space and time.
There is nothing new about your beliefs just a bit different package.
Your comment is as empty as your theology. At least try to include some sort of scripture or critique of the scriptures presented.
@@TruthLewiston How is it that scripture is constantly taken out of its context without zero proper hermeneutics applied to prop up a faulty position.
READ ALL of Peter 3 . He's is talking to believers about the end times and how there are more of Gods elect to save. God is fulfilling HIs promise , what promise ? The one given to Abraham regarding the number of the saved will be like the sand of the seashore. How does God make that promise? Because He has degreed it and will fulfill that promise!
This is so simple to understand but you continue to be blinded by tradition.
You should look up the fact that the Bible is a Historic Redemptive Narrative and then watch "Theocast" very helpful.
@davevandervelde4799 Good job, Dave. See, now, you're looking at scripture. This can be productive. I'll answer you later. In the meantime, watch this. You will enjoy it: ua-cam.com/video/pjBsZBdTSnM/v-deo.html
@TruthLewiston I will do that thank you.
@@davevandervelde4799 I firmly reject your point. II Peter 3:3-7 directly references the lost (mockers, ungodly, etc.). And then verse nine tells us he is longsuffering which speaks to the fact that he waits for people to repent but some do not repent. This alone proves Calvinism wrong.
Luke 13:34 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!"
Of a truth, II Peter 3 is just like Romans which clearly shows the gift of eternal life is as applicable to all of mankind as death is.
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
So thankful for your words and work. I needed to know these things. ✝️
No, you didn't.
I've never had this put so clearly!! It always seemed absurd to me. I had to disengage from some of my favorite theologians, so that I wouldn't risk being influenced by them any longer, which was painful. I took all their books and threw them in the garbage!!
"And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers". John 20:4,5.
Amen, praise the Lord...
Amen sir.
🎯🎯 Obviously, you just don't understand Calvinism🤪🤪😊😊Thanks for preaching truth.
Are You following me around the internet? LOL
Truth in Love
@@truth7416 😎😎
I don't think I've ever heard such a misrepresentation of Reformed Theology before in my life.
@GraceandTruthChurchofAthens What was misrepresented? Your best example please.
@@TruthLewiston I'm not interested in arguing with anyone online, with all due respect. I was just stating in my comment that the Reformed Theology and Calvinistic views of God, man, justice, grace, and the gospel were extremely misrepresented by this brother as a whole. Maybe you disagree, but I believe it's ok to state my belief about this, without having to provide a defense for what I believe... at least on this kind of platform. I don't think it would be fruitful for any of us. I'm not wimping out here, by any means. I just think that this platform allows more room for strife, than for peace, and I'm more interested in peace among all my brothers in Christ, even though we may have some strong disagreements. I simply wanted to state that the beliefs of your brothers who are Reformed and/or Calvinistic (they are two different things, not one and the same thing) were very much misrepresented by this brother who preached this sermon. None of the preachers who were mentioned by name near the beginning of this sermon believe or teach what this brother claims they believe or teach. If you disagree with that, well, I'm not going to argue with you about it. God bless you. I wish you the best.
@@GraceandTruthChurchofAthensCalvinism has its own christ.
I’m a follower of Jesus The Messiah, it is impossible to cohere these two figures.
@@truthseeker5698perhaps your understanding is limited by a set of principles you refuse to break. No one is forcing anyone in reformed circles, not even by God. It may be true that your Jesus may indeed be a very different person from Christ the Lord.
@@joc4384 Jesus The Messiah I serve is much much Much different than the Christ of Calvinism reformed theology. There is no perhaps involved
so, does that mean, that once you are saved, you are ALWAYS saved REGARDLESS of how you live your life? meaning, that after you have come to faith and repented, you can LIVE in willful sin and still be saved?
That's the hypothetical question that those who believe in works salvation (e.g., Mormons) love to ask. The truth is, I've never met a saved individual who willfully continued to disobey God's word, reject the conviction of the indwelling Holy Spirit, and disregard the chastisement of the Father. If there were such a person we'd have every reason to conclude they were never saved in the first place.
If you're saved, you'll want to live right.
But living right isn't what saves. Christ saves.
believing in the life, death on the cross and most importantly ..the resurrection of Jesus Christ is what saves..if your saved you're saved..if you live like the devil..then you are a disobedient child of God if you sin,but you believe in what Jesus did .....the scripture says "Believe"..but you must repent of thinking that you can live good enough..so, we can't live "good" enough"..we should be children of satan..lest the grace of God
@@TruthLewiston the parable of the prodical son says different.
@@eyezon1975 No it doesn't. The correct way to view the parable is that all have gone astray though sin (Isaiah 53:6), but if we repent (change our minds about our sin) and trust Christ, God will receive us.
Isaiah 53:6 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."
@@TruthLewiston I disagree.
The son was already part of the "family" with all it had to offer - he wasn't a lost sinner. The son then choose to go live in sin. The father considered the son "dead" (the wages of sin is death) until the son repented and returned to the Father. Only then was he declared "alive" and welcomed back into the family. Given back clean clothes and the ring of authority to show this fact. Had the son died in the pigsty (in his sin), he would have gone to hell. This is the same fate that will await Christians who live in habitual, repeated, continuous and unrepentant sin.
This parable is not only meant as a warning for Christians, but also to show the mercy and love of God. It is not a picture of the unsaved coming to repentance. The unsaved is not children of God and thereby not part of the family..the prodigal son was..
5:00 The reason God shows us why the mother couldn't gather her hens back is to demonstrate the hens inability by the commandment alone through their imaginary autonomous free will to obey. Its Gods grace and effectual calling alone to saves.
I read this without looking who wrote it and thought. What kind of BS is this? and then I saw your name!
Welcome Calvinist troll number one. Did you bring the other regular trolls over with you to do Calvinist damage control.
Jesus wasn't a Calvinist. You shouldn't be either.
Mark 4:40 "And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?"
@@TruthLewistonThere's no "Calvinists" in heaven. Only Elect "sons of God."
@@TruthLewiston Jesus affirmed Gods sovereignty in salvation, you should to. 😊
“All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away”
John 6:37
@@Theos_Logos The trademark ignorance and arrogance of reformed Calvinism... Just stop drinking the cool aid for a minute and consider truth instead....
God in his sovereignty chose to save all those who believe. He chose corporately. Not individually. All those who believe in Christ (those who are "in him") God gave them power to become the sons of God.
It is a conditional election. A man must use his free will to believe in Christ and receive the free gift of salvation. And, of course, God fulfills his promise and adopts believers once they believe.
Ephesians 1:4 "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"
John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
Reformed theology is deformed theology. Think for yourself.
I can't say 'Amen' to what this preacher is saying.This man lacks understanding,knowledge about Reform Theology.Reform Theology is God-honoring theology, folks!!!!
God in his sovereignty gave man a free will. And God in his sovereignty, before the foundation of the world, chose to save all who believe in Christ.
Ephesians 1:4 "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"
This is how a sovereign God can both command and want all men to be saved, yet not all men are saved.
Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
2 Pet. 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Imagine trying to explain the works of God by using a silly human analogy. What a small view of God. Romans 11:33-36. (I was predestined to type this :) )
No, the analogy explains reformed theology. The Bible explains God, and we quote plenty of it. Including this verse. Please tell me, what does all mean in it?
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
@@TruthLewiston Romans 5:18 (KJV) states:
**"Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."**
This verse highlights the parallel between **Adam and Christ**:
- **Through Adam’s sin**, all humanity fell under condemnation (original sin).
- **Through Christ’s righteousness**, justification is made available.
However, this does not mean universal salvation. The phrase **“all men”** in the second part must be understood in context-it refers to **all who are in Christ** (Romans 5:17, 19), meaning the elect. Just as Adam’s sin affected all who were in him (all humanity), Christ’s righteousness secures justification for all who are in Him (believers). This aligns with **Reformed theology**, which teaches that Christ’s atonement is **sufficient for all but efficient only for the elect** (John 10:15, Ephesians 1:4-5).
A few years ago, my father in law passed away at the age of 99. For several days before his death, he repeated the phrase "Now to our God and Father be glory forever and ever. Amen". The night he died, he went to sleep and the following morning, he was gone peacefully. Everybody who knew him thanked and glorified our Lord for such a blessing of how He took his life away.
But, almost at the same period of time, a two year old boy was hit by accident by his own father while taking his car out of the garage. The little child died there. Both parents were christians, loved God and their beloved precious son. This was terrible, devastating. The cry of this couple was heard almost in the whole neighborhood. Nobody we knew of thanked or glorified God for this death.
Many questions could come up to our minds about these two deaths. Did God took both lives away? Why one was so joyful and the other so sad? Why an eternal loving God could do such an awful thing to this boy and his loving parents? Does God has the control of every life and of all? Were these two deaths part of the eternal plan and will of God? Were these a result of a person's free will, luck or God's determination?
In our very narrow minds, we are not capable to understand this. Maybe we have a very limited knowledge of God's goodness and love, especially under things we don't like.
For sure, these two deaths we're under God's control, God's mercy and God's love.
Maybe, and just maybe, we have given free will a much higher value that it should have. Is God in control or we are?
Death came because of sin. But sin came because of man, not because of God.
What if the father in your story first molested and then murdered the two-year-old. Would you say God caused this to happen? That's absurd. It was man's free will.
Reformed Calvinism teaches this (Westminster Confession 3.1): "God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass..."
God allows certain things to happen because of the consequences of sin and the fall of Adam. It's not His fault, but man's sin nature. This is His permissive will. Man can not save himself. Luke 18:26-27
Even if the couple that had a 2 year old was christian, I would not change the fact that whoever was responsible to take care of the 2 year old was not attentive, one could argued that it was Gods will, but what it was not Gods will, but a human error. We want to blame God for all the bad that happens in the world. But that is the point of moral responsibility. If I go a murder someone randomly, was that Gods fault or my fault ? Someone might argue that God should have stopped me. But if he did, He will have to stopped all other wrong doings at once. And the bible says that it not going to happens until judgement day.
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I agree with you. the god in your story is terrible. There is only one problem. That is not the God of Reformed Theology. I’m not sure but this may have been the most uninformed explanation of Reformed Theology I’ve ever heard. Pastor, it seems to me that you desire to be a faithful pastor who cares for God’s people. I am thankful for that. But please, please take advantage of another thorough examination of Reformed Theology.
It is you who should examine Reformed Theology. The god of the Westminster Confession is the same one portrayed in the story.
3:7 "The rest of mankind, God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of his own will, whereby he extendeth or withholdeth mercy as he pleaseth, for the glory of his sovereign power over his creatures, to pass by, and to ordain them to dishonor and wrath for their sin, to the praise of his glorious justice."
some following channels might help you see the error of reformed theology.... BeyondTheFundamentals / Soteriology101/ GreatLight Studios/ IdolKiller. Also checkout Patrideus The Sovereign / Hitler & Calvinism
@@unitedstates3068 Thanks. I'll check these channels out. I've never read or heard an objection to Reformed Theology. I've heard and read objections to what some think Reformed Theology is but I soon realize that they don't really know what Reformed Theology is. I hope the references you have recommended to me have a better grasp on the topic.
@@paulmandry2566 RT is a very broad term. The channels I mentioned relate more to the Soteriology elements of RT. The last 2 videos are a parody of the entailments of RT soteriology.
@@unitedstates3068 I checked out the sites you recommended. I went into them with an open mind, hoping that I was going to hear something new that would be thought provoking. I didn't. Just the same old unconvincing arguments, I'm afraid. One I found particularly caustic. I can't remember the name but it was the one with the red circle and an x in the centre. I find it a bit disturbing how acrimonious the attacks are on Reformed Christians. We are worse than the Devil. We are dangerous, anti-gospel, unsaved heretics. And that seems to always be the case. Notice that in the main, we do not return the same sentiments. I have a number of non-Reformed brothers and sisters and we agree that we are saved by grace and faith alone in Christ and while we have differences in the "how" it happens, we do not question each others commitment to God and his word.
I checked out your sites. Perhaps you'll check out my suggested reading material."Calvin for Today" edited by Joel Beeke, "The Bondage of the Will" by Martin Luther, "Grace Unknown" by RC Sproul. Perhaps check out articles on line on a site called monergism.com
God bless.
Thank you for this message!! This makes complete sense to me.
God does not send us to hell, He saved us out of it. It's where we were going in the first place. We were DEAD in our trespasses.... Thankful for God saving me. I give HIM ALL the glory... Wasn't me (that any man should boast).
There is no boasting in choosing to receive a free gift. There is, however, boasting in believing that somehow God picked you because you're special.
Abel chose the blood. Did this give him room to boast? No. Cain had a choice to make. If he had chosen the blood, he wouldn't have had room to boast either.
Genesis 4:7 "If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."
I do not feel that people who are chosen boast at all. If anything we see God's amazing grace and mercy.
@TruthLewiston I guess you can thank yourself for making smart decisions and achieving salvation.
@@teamrecon2685 That's like saying the person who looked at the brazen serpent could boast about healing themselves. Only an idiot would say that. And only an idiot would make the comment you just made.
Yep, if giving God all the glory makes me an idiot, then ABSOLUTELY, I am an Idiot. I take NO credit for ALL that HE has done. All praise to HIM
Not all people in reformed churches believe how shallow you are presenting them to be that's like saying all Baptists believe absolutely the same about once saved always saved or pre trib by the way those terminologies are not found free will can be skewed, and all those preachers that you mentioned don't believe exactly the same as well on certain doctrines but yes there are some people who have a skewed version of Grace but we must understand God can do whatever He wants to.
Do you agree with the Westminster Confession of Faith? This portrayal matches it.
@@TruthLewistonI never heard of Westminster confession of until I looked it up but I believe what the Bible says that God can give someone over to a debased mind if He wants and he hardens who He wills but ! Listen to me I personally I believe that God prepared those vessels of destruction as an example for us (before) Christ came to die for all who believe, I believe those who He hardens now after Christ died on the cross deservingly get hardened because of His foreknowledge.
@jumpingjpeg4952 Why does God harden their hearts during their lives? It's because they had a chance to believe but rejected it.
If they were not elected as the Calvinists say, and are completely dead, why would God need to harden their hearts?
This too contradicts Calvinism.
@@TruthLewiston You Not even understand Total depravity.
Its Just nonsense
@@DieAbsoluteWahrheit Total depravity is not a bad phrase (though it isn't a Bible term). But what you mean is, "total inability" to receive the free gift of salvation that is available to all. That's absurdity.
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
Our free will only takes us to a cult. He must bring us out of darkness and give us the gift of faith
@@tbuitendyk---- I'm NOT calvinist in any way shape or form BUT notice your verse you gave " which were born NOT of the will of the flesh "
Our free will ONLY takes us to a man made cult. When we all get together in heaven we WILL KNOW HE chose each one that accepted HIM as Saviour
There is no will or work of the flesh required to receive a free gift. You just hear of the gift in scripture, hearing brings faith, hearing quickens your heart (makes it alive), and then you simply receive the free gift. Calvinists totally deny the power of God's word to make dead hearts come alive.
1 Peter 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
@@TruthLewistonEphesians 2:8-9 Destroys your whole Philosophy Nonsense.
Faith doesnt come from Yourself.
Peter is the perfect example:
" Flesh and blood doesnt revealed that to you but my father in Heaven".
John 17:19.
You are blasphemous against The God of the bible.
@@DieAbsoluteWahrheit You don't know where faith comes from? Let me help you.
Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Eph. 2:8-9 teaches that salvation is a gift. Faith isn't the gift. It is the requirement.
Jesus wasn't a Calvinist. He rebuked people for not having faith. Didn't he realize that he had to gift it to them first? That's nonsense.
Mark 4:40 "...how is it that ye have no faith?"
@@TruthLewiston Your exegesis of Ephesians 2:8-9 shows me how you treat the bible.
Grace AND faith is meant by the conditional sentence.
You are twisting the scripture
Yep, that’s Calvinist. Everyone is born with an invisible tattoo on their soul. DAMNED or SAVED. From before the foundation of the world. Heartbreaking
Did God not elect us before the foundation of the world? Were our names not written on the Book of Life before the foundation of the world? 🧐
I am open minded with an open Bible. But this man who is talking sadly does not know what he is talking about. A strawman argument. Read the Bible to understand the extent of the fall. Eph. 2 is VERY clear. Dead means dead! SPIRITUAL death IS the status of ALL until they come into union with Christ! BELIEVING is no mere physical act. It is SPIRITUAL. Romans 10: IF you BELIEVE..... where?? IN YOUR HEART! That is impossible for the spiritually dead! Again Eph. 2: and you He MADE ALIVE WHO WERE DEAD!!! and you He MADE ALIVE WHO WERE DEAD!!! and you He MADE ALIVE WHO WERE DEAD!!! And what does life bring about? Thirst, awareness. The alive come to Christ by exercising faith. Where does THAT come from?? Not of man! It is a gift! I have to wonder if this man is even converted! He is so against God and God's grace!!
You are overlooking a very important fact (like most Calvinists do). The word of God makes alive! Note: "quicken" means to make alive.
John 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
Psalm 119:93 "I will never forget thy precepts: for with them thou hast quickened me."
Psalm 119:154 "Plead my cause, and deliver me: quicken me according to thy word."
Psalm 119:156 "Great are thy tender mercies, O Lord: quicken me according to thy judgments."
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Ever wonder why salvation is most prevalent in areas where the Bible is prevalent? It isn't because God elected individuals based on geography! It's because faith comes by hearing the word of God.
Of course one is commanded to believe! I do not dispute that. Adam HAD the ability to follow God. His was a conditional covenant based in law. He died and all humanity with him. Though humanity HAS changed, God has not and still requires of humanity what humanity is unable to perform. It is the Spirit of God who uses His Word to bring life. Salvation is all of grace:)
When discussing what God has done, what God has authorized and who we perceive Him to be, His essence must never be compromised or He will be perceived to do and to be other than who He is.
‘Thants not real Calvinism. Real Calvinism has never been tried…’
Bro… best comment
College age voter 2024?
That is the same thing that is always said about communism @@troywagner7551
Because of reputations that precede them, people like MacArthur, Baucham and Washer feel entitled to berate and bully their hearers… calling into question the legitimacy and genuineness of their salvation based ‘on a prayer found no where in Holy Writ’…They almost gleefully damage the confidence of many believers and feel completely justified in severely wounding weak brothers and sisters… they use the lack of a fully transformative Damascus Road experience to call anyone’s salvation into serious question… I know cuz I’ve been there and avoided the crash and burn by God’s word and grace… sadly, these false teachers are thoroughly platformed on social media so getting the word out on these guys is vital to rescue our brothers and sisters who need it… Thanks for your efforts in this message…
In this matter of reformed theology I stand with these true Baptists. Reformed theology is a damnable heresy.
Really? what is heresy about according to you?
I have a few questions for you.
Where in the Bible does it say that man is able to rise above his fallen nature and come to faith in Christ ?
Do you believe that the word "any" in 2 Peter 3"9 is means all mankind ? If so, what lends you to believe that ?
Where in the Bible does it say that sinners are saved by chance ?
Who can resist the will of God ? Rom. 9:19
Where in the Bible does it say that some for whom Christ died will end up in Hell ?
In Matt. 27: 5 we are told that Judas hanged himself. In verse 50 Christ died. Do you believe that when Christ on the cross that he paid for the sins of Judas who was already in Hell ?
Thanks for the questions. We appreciate it. Here are answers in chronological order.
1. Many places. Here are two: Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me." God’s word brought Lazarus to life, and God’s word can bring us all to life.
2. The entire chapter (II Peter 3) is speaking of God and his relation to the entire world. The entire world was judged in the flood. God gave all people a chance to believe and he is giving all people a chance to believer now. Read I Peter 3:20 to understand who God was longsuffering toward - the unbelievers! What was he waiting for if he already chose them for wrath?
3. Many resist God’s will (Acts 7:51). They don’t use their free will to receive the gospel, so they face God’s wrath. Not being able to resist the consequences for rejecting God’s mercy is what Romans 9:19 is speaking of. Acts 7:51 “Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.”
4. The Bible tells us that Christ died for the sins of the world. So either everyone is saved (which is not true), or everyone can be saved, but reject the free gift (this is true). 1 John 2:2 “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” Isaiah 53:6 “All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”
5. Absolutely Christ shed his blood for Judas (and the entire world, see verses above). But Judas did not apply the blood to his account through faith. Read the story of the Passover to understand that the blood saves but it must be applied to the doorposts of your heart through faith (hyssop is a picture of faith).
We encourage you to watch this video on Romans 9 to learn more: ua-cam.com/video/sysigecl60A/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Point 1. The virtue of faith is produced by the Holy Spirit (Gal. 5:22) but it is exercised when we hear the word of God. Psalm 119:50 is telling us that we can find
comfort in God's word when we have physical affliction. Indeed, Lazarus was raised by the word of Christ. Chance and man's will had nothing to do with it.
Point 2. The word "longsuffering" in 2 peter 3 is dealing with the question of why Christ has not yet returned. Peter tells us that God is longsuffering to
us-ward. The us-ward being God's people. Not all of his people have been brought to repentance.but when they are that is when Christ will return.
Point 3. Acts 7:52 tells us in what since people resist the Holy Spirit. It is by persecution of the Prophets.
Point 4. How should we understand the "world" in 1 John 2:2 ? Is it the same as the world of John 14:17, which can not receive the Spirit of Truth?
Is it the same world in 1 John 2:15, which we are not to love ? Or could it be the world that Paul tells us about in 2 Cor. 5:19, which will not have their
trespasses imputed to them ?
Point 5. Yes, hyssop is a picture of faith, which is produced from good soil. Likewise, a sinner can only have the virtue of faith if that sinner has had his
heart changed by the Holy Spirit (Gal. 5:22). I would like to add that it is the Holy Spirit that applies the work of redemption to sinners. In the
Covenant of Redemption all of the Trinity has a part. The Father chooses those who will be a part of His Heavenly family, the Son redeems them, and
the Spirit applies the work of the Son to his people.
Have you ever done formal debates against some of the guys you named ?
No, but let's get one lined up! Would love to.
@@TruthLewiston that would be interesting
@@olerain Interesting indeed. The pastors straw men would be seen for what they are, not that he would ever take correction. He has too much pride for that.
If God is love and grace is irresistible then I would think He would irresistibly save everyone since He isn’t willing that any should perish. The bad thing about Calvinist’s is they don’t believe all means all.
And yet there are many who hear the word of God but they don’t have ears to hear and are not saved. Why?
@@nimrod9088 because they have not been convicted of their sins or they reject the calling of God.
@@stevennelson2683Thats what WE Calvinist believe too
So if God is love why didn’t he create a world where everyone would be saved? That’s not a good argument
Romans 9 tells you why He chose not to save everyone
Off topic, but Dominic says he wants to be the Pastor at the "far away church." .... I told him I think they already have the next pastoral generation covered. Lol! I praised him for that way of thinking though.
Reformed Theology had its origin in Augustine. He had been saved out of Manachanism, which is a fatalistic, deterministic philosophy. At the time, the church would not allow anyone saved out of that to serve in the church as a Bishop. For some unknown reason, an exception was made for Augustine. For the first 25 years of his faith, Augustine taught everything that the church taught about salvation. Something happened in 412 AD that changed Augustine who combined his fatalistic, deterministic philosophy with Christianity and the result is Reformed Theology which Calvin expanded...
I think the councils of Carthage and Orange had a lot of influence on John Calvin’s theology as well. One thing that is very important to consider about Augustine’s theology is that he wrote a book when he was 70 years old called Retactiones or Retatractions. I haven’t read it yet, I would like to just to know exactly what doctrines he retracted late in his life but I think anyone who is quoting Augustine’s writings can’t hold him to those doctrines unless they’ve read Retractions in order to determine that he still held firm to those positions. Personally I don’t really care what Augustine taught because he’s not what I consider to be an early church theologian. He’s a 5th century theologian. When I read early church writings it’s typically to get an understanding of what the early church taught and for me I prefer the writings from the first two centuries because these writers were either taught by the apostles or by the disciples of the apostles.
It should seem strange to you that since Augustine was saved out of Manicheanism which was fatalistic, Augustine was not fatalistic himself. Did he believe that nothing occurs unless God has either determined to permit it to occur or cause it Himself? Of course, but that is simply biblical truth. Before you make any more unwarranted statements, it would be a good idea for you to learn the truth about these issues.
@@mikewiththebluecar The inspired writers are the only ones we need to concern ourselves as far as the basis of our Theology is concerned. If you are concerned to learn the history of deficient or bad ideas, you will find them in abundance in the so-called Church fathers.
@ When your faced with the issue of discerning the interpretation of the scriptures that was intended by the authors, looking to the students of the authors can be very beneficial rather than looking to 16th century theologians who were getting their information from a 4th century theologian.
@@TheBereanVoice Well I’m not interested in studying Augustine’s writings since he was a 4th century theologian who often retracted a lot of his earlier writings. I don’t see any reason to read his writings because he wasn’t taught by the apostles or the students of the apostles so I don’t see how his interpretation of scripture can be more valid than say Iranaeus’ for example which refutes both Augustine’s and Calvin’s theology.
This is a gross misunderstanding of reformed theology.
Before the foundation of the world those who are Gods through Christ were written in the Lambs Book of Life (Ephesians 1, 1 Peter 1, Revelation 13) for Jesus (Jude 2).
God did not predestine anyone to hell. Eve then Adam sinned (Genesis 3). Mankind came from Adam and therefore was made in Adam’s image (Genesis 5). The sin curse passed on to all of mankind like a plague. Man in there will continued to sin just like Adam.
Mankind would not want God unless God wanted them (1 John 4).
Throughout the history of salvation God gas only saved some (Noah and his family, Abraham and his family, etc) by his foreknowledge and predetermination (Romans 8:28-30). All have sinned because they want to sin (Genesis 6, Genesis 8, Romans 3). God merely endures the vessels of wrath so that the vessels of mercy will know the riches of His mercy (Romans 9:22-24)
To say we are saved because we chose God and that’s what God foreknew puts us at the center of salvation not God. Not Christ. No where I. The Bible will you find that. Salvation is all by God, for Christ, because of Christ. We are saved to love, worship, praise and serve Christ for all eternity.
The choice we make is God influencing us and persuading us by His power, love, and grace, but it was Gods choice for those first (Matthew 11:27, John 10:11, Act 13:48)
Cute theory, but wholly unbiblical. A simple rebuke is... Why does God then blot people out of the book of life?
Psalm 69:28 "Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous."
Revelation 3:5 "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."
@@TruthLewiston well, as for psalm 69 the answer is in the rest of the psalm. The psalmist isn’t talking about being blotted out as in salvation, He is asking God to blot out His enemies and crying out to God to save him (the psalmist). I’m not going to post all of Psalm 69, but here are the surrounding verses to the one you quoted:
“Let their own table before them become a snare; and when they are at peace, let it become a trap. Let their eyes be darkened, so that they cannot see, and make their loins tremble continually. Pour out your indignation upon them, and let your burning anger overtake them. May their camp be a desolation; let no one dwell in their tents. For they persecute him whom you have struck down, and they recount the pain of those you have wounded. Add to them punishment upon punishment; may they have no acquittal from you. Let them be blotted out of the book of the living; let them not be enrolled among the righteous. But I am afflicted and in pain; let your salvation, O God, set me on high!”
Psalm 69:22-29 ESV
Regarding your quote to Revelation 3:5, again singularly looking at the verse sounds like what this pastor saying , but the surrounding verse show the Church in Sardis was a dead church. Christ was exhorting them that if they repent (the one who conquers) THEY will never be blotted out.
So, the question is who conquers? Everyone? No. Those who repent and surrender to the Lordship of Jesus the Christ in convicted and assured faith? Yes. But who are those? Those who were written before the foundation of the world. Who are they? Christs sheep.
Christ clearly says He did not die for everyone so they could pick and choose. He said He died for His sheep which were the ones the Father gave Him. How do we know who those are? The ones who here His voice:
“I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.”
John 10:11 ESV
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.”
John 10:27-28 ESV
@@randymcdaniel3873 Yeah, right. Psalm 69:28 says "not be written with the righteous." It's not talking about life, but the after life. The same goes for this verse:
Ex. 32:33 "And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book."
@@TruthLewiston “Righteous” is translated from the Hebrew word tzaddikim which comes from the root word tsaddiq which simply means just or righteous. Just like in English, the context brings out the implication of the word. Since the first half of psalm 69 is the psalmist pleading with God not to let his enemies succeed and the last half is the psalmist praising God in his affliction and boasting in Gods deliverance of Zion and Judah, psalm 69:28 cannot be referring to righteous as those in right standing with God. It has to be talking about righteous as in someone whose actions or cause is just/righteous. One has to isolate the verse and imply the meaning to make it refer to the redeemed.
Regarding Exodus 32:33, that is not a strong argument for against Gods sovereignty in salvation. In that chapter the Israelites had just made and worshiped the golden calf. Moses interceded to God asking Him to forgive them, and then asking God to blot Him (Moses) out of His (God’s) book. God agrees with Moses that He will blot about anyone who has sinned(32:33).
The Bible echos this throughout scripture. Humanities righteousness is like filthy rags to God (Isaiah 64:6). All have sinned and there is no one righteous not one (Psalm 14:1-7, Romans 3:10-18). Through Adam entered sin to ALL men and all have sinned because of Adam (Romans 5:12-14, 1 Corinthians 15:22). So, on the basis of Exodus 32:33 ALL is blotted out of the book. Ephesians 2:1-10 stresses that. Those who were saved by Christ were dead and brought by the grace of God alone through faith in Jesus alone. We are dead until God regenerates us. Someone who is dead cannot live God or make the choose for him. They are dead. They are sons of wrath and disobedience (Ephesians 2:1-3) but because of God, not man, made us alive in Christ (Ephesians 2:4).
Again, Jesus Himself said He did not die for everyone. God so loved the world He gave His son that whoever believe in Him will not perish (John 3:16). Jesus was talking to the Pharisee Nicademus stressing salvation is not merely for the Jew, but the Gentile as well. That was clear throughout the Old Testament. Gods love is for all His creation, but Jesus only died for His sheep. He said that Himself (John 10:11). He didn’t not spill His blood for those who wouldn’t receive Him, but those that would hear His voice and listen (John 10:27-28). If man chose God and not the other way around, we could lose our salvation. We could on day not choose Him. It would not be secure. And the Bible makes it clear that is impossible. Our salvation is secure because God has written His children, the redeemed, the saved, the elect in the lambs book of life before the foundation of the world (1 Peter 1:20-21, Revelation 13:8)
@@TruthLewiston God does not remove the elect from the **Book of Life**, as their salvation is eternally secure (John 10:28-29, Romans 8:30). The passages referring to being "blotted out" (Psalm 69:28, Revelation 3:5) do not indicate the loss of true salvation but rather refer to those who were never truly saved or were only externally associated with God's people. Psalm 69:28 speaks of judgment on the wicked, while Revelation 3:5 assures believers that their names **will not** be blotted out, affirming the perseverance of the saints.
Acts 13:47-48 "For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation to the ends of the earth.
And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord; and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed."
Mankind has the ability to choose. But he has no ability to choose Christ. He has to be drawn by the Father first, and then he will believe. We are saved by the grace of God through faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross. This is all of God. If we say it is of ourselves, we would have reason to boast.
The Holy Spirit is the only member of the Godhead that DOES NOT draw anybody!!!!! Your doctrine comes not from the Bible!
@@jasonweaver8492 You are correct. John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day." God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are in agreement anyway.
@@jasonweaver8492 The Holy Spirit **does** draw people to Christ, as Scripture clearly teaches. **John 6:44** states, *“No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him.”* However, this drawing is accomplished **through the work of the Holy Spirit** (John 16:8, 1 Corinthians 2:10-14).
A more accurate statement would be:
**The Holy Spirit actively draws the elect to Christ, convicting them of sin, opening their hearts, and regenerating them according to God's sovereign will.** (John 16:8, Titus 3:5, Ezekiel 36:26-27).
@truthseeker9692 can you NOT READ? The passage you quoted literally says the FATHER draws. It says nothing about the Spirit. And btw quoting dogma doesnt work on me or anybody with a functioning brain ☺️
Great sermon pastor. We need more people to help explain reformed theology and call it out for what it is. Thank you.
Yep, that's Calvinism in a nutshell. Their God is not the God of the Bible.
No, this is a gross and rude misrepresentation of Reformed Theology and the God is the Bible.
Reformed calvinism synthetic theologies leeching off the scriptures.
Sola de another gospel.
Sir just because you do not understand the doctrines of Grace, doesn't mean it isn't the truth. You are ridiculous in how you are trying to deny the truth of what scripture teaches.
@kennethgreene2429 Please show your best example of how we are misunderstanding it.
@@TruthLewiston you can't really misinterpret Rom. Chapter 9. It confirms what you are saying is false to be the truth. But you deny it. If you believe the way you do then scripture contridicts itself, but if you look at it in the Reformed/ Calvinistic view it doesn't contridict itself. And we all know that scripture can't contridict itself.
You don't understand Romans 9. Watch this and learn: ua-cam.com/video/sysigecl60A/v-deo.html
@@TruthLewiston I'm not watching anything, I get my interpretation from the scripture and of the HOLY SPIRIT leading me to truth and I know what it clearly says. That God does what He has designed before the creation of the world and nothing more. And He clearly tells us that in scripture. But prideful people like you try to make it about the person and God doesn't get all the glory. So your teachings are absurd not the truth.
@kennethgreene2429 So you're not noble and humble enough to have someone challenge your position with scripture? Talk about pride. Good luck with that. You are lost and wasting your life.
How can I make a choice if my heart is already inclined to do the opposite of faith unless God changes my heart first?
Unless the Spirit sovereignly changes my heart from stone to flesh I will never be able to make that choice.
It's all about the power of the word of God, something Calvinists stopped believing in years ago.
Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
I Pet. 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever."
Worse sermon ever. Setting up a strawman with a stupid story.
How is it a strawman? Where does it mischaracterize Reformed Calvinism? Best example please.
@@TruthLewiston the story was nonsensical start there... not even a representation of Reformed Theology... I am a Lutheran but really dislike it when other groups are so blatantly lied about.
@thomaslee8658 Yet you can't provide a single example of how it misrepresents Calvinism? You are an empty man living an empty life.
@@thomaslee8658 well Lutheran are all over the map. Predestination? um yes but no. Works? um no but yes Christs presence in the supper? well the bread really is his body but its still just bread. please dont preach to others about mischaracterization
@@caman171 lol
Reformed is a misnomer. Calvinism is an anti-gospel.
Also known as a "Doctrine of Demons" " Another Gospel" "Deformed Theology"
A slight correction is needed. The reformers were Augustinian. These views started with him and extended with the reformers.
Although I am not a Calvinist I have watched half of this video so far but have noticed other things that needed correction .
OK. What?
@@TruthLewiston Firstly let me say that I agree with much of what you say but the things that I disagree with are ( from having viewed the first half) 1) concerning animals ... the original language of scripture tells that animals are Nephesh (which means living soul) and that they have spirits ( Ruach) and 2) I am convinced that man's will doesn't trump the will of our Heavenly Father whose love is over all of His creation and who is all wise, all powerful and who is LOVE.
@@TheHumbuckerboy Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Here's a quick response: (1) Mankind was created in the image of God, animals were not (Gen. 1:27). This is not talking about the physical image of God as God is a spirit (John 4:24). Therefore, the image of God must have more to do with a freewill soul that lives forever as covered in the video. (2) God's will does trump our will. And it just so happens that God created mankind with a freewill and decided that all those who believe in Christ will have eternal life, and those who reject Christ will face eternal damnation. The rules were made by God, and now the decision is ours. The second half of the video covers this in more detail.
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Calvin went back to the doctrines of the early church like Chrysostom not just Augustine. Against the Heresies of the Pope church, not against Arminius. it was 60 years after Calvin that Arminius came with his heresy. All writings of Arminius were forbidden in Holland and never published in Dutch. First edition in English was published in 1825AD His writings were in Latin but not published. I say pope church because Catholic means Universal Christian.
”You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?”“
Romans 9:19
I always find it interesting that there is so much debate about this cult.
One either believes in the word of God or distorts it to fit their narrative.
John 3:16 provides NO ROOM for argument. Calvies will twist themselves into thousands of knots in attempt to make God's word fit their narrative. This verse has one little word, pas (πᾶς), which does not offer any other translation,
It means each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything.
Simple.
So here's a question pastor, if I watch a pre-taped football game between the Dallas Cowboys and the Redskins and I watch the game all the way through, but then my buddy stops by and he hadn't seen it yet either and I say he can watch it with me and I'll be quiet and not tell him who wins so we do at the end of that game the question I have is even though I've already seen the game and knew exactly who was going to throw what passes and make what touchdowns, did the players on the field have the free will to choose what plays they did that day? Or did they not have the free will
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As Calvanists we're still Christians, we just have some different ideas. I think it's important for Christians to just agree to disagree when it's not a core doctrinal issue. No two Christians agree on everything. As long as we're saved and spreading the Gospel, other such things don't matter. And not only that but this misrepresents Calvanism, unfairly. It's strange to hear a Christian sermon in which other Christians are being attacked just because we have different theology. Calvinism still affirms everything about the Bible, it just has some different ideas. A sermon in which certain Christians area attacked just seems like a horrible thing. I am deeply saddened by this. We should not be fighting amongst ourselves. It's what the devil wants.
Agree 100%. It's rather ridiculous the pastor puts HIMSELF in the place of God in his illustration so of course he makes God look ridiculous. Just massive massive straw man drawn here.
Jude 1:3 tells us to "contend for the faith". A central part of the faith is that Christ paid the penalty for all. To say otherwise is to attack the faith. Watch this: ua-cam.com/video/xHcdUIzSaEE/v-deo.html
Isaiah 53:6 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."
The god of Calvinism is ridiculous. God is great and is "...not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance" (II Peter 3:9).
Um, HOW a person is saved is THE core doctrinal issue. This guy doesn't understand the biblical Doctrines of Grace exhibited by Calvinism
@@TruthLewistonthere is an antecedent to that word “any”. Every time that is quoted with the free will slant, they put the “…” in front and leave out the first half like you did. This letter is written to believers. And God is not willing that any of His children that He adopted according to His will, will perish. As Jesus said, all that the Father gives him will come. None will perish
Amen.
Good grief. That was a tragic and broken misunderstanding of Reformed Theology. Such straw man arguments only strengthen the faith of a reformed person in their understanding of scripture’s clarity on how some are chosen, called, predestined, drawn etc, by God and some are not.
One of the incredible things about God’s wonderful grace, mercy and love is in the fact that he saves any at all!! None of us deserve salvation. NONE. People miss this constantly. They think too highly of their goodness, too little of the deep significance of their sin, and completely miss the great holiness of God in doing so. You were a corpse before you were saved. You could not choose God anymore than a corpse could reanimate itself. Moreover, your/our sin nature preempts any human desire to seek after God anyway. Even if your spiritual corpse could reach out for God, our sin nature precludes our desire to, absent God’s calling and drawing of us to Him. You compliment yourself too much to think you chose God of your own will. If you are in Christ, it is because God has drawn you to Himself (read John 6, especially the second half).
It would seem this man’s animosity toward reformed theology framed his entire lack of objectivity toward it. He built a straw man, then proceeded to argue against it. 😢
Please reconsider the predestination language in John 6, Romans 8 & 9, and Ephesians 1, to name a few, but honestly it is throughout the entirety of scripture.
Ya'll keep saying it's a strawman but you don't point out a single evidence of this. And if one reads the Westminster Confession of the Faith, they will see the analogy is spot on.
We have already addressed the predestination language. It is speaking of corporate election. God elected all of those "in him." He chose a group -- believers.
And you, like all Calvinists, do not appreciate the value of the Bible. It is what quickens hearts (makes them alive) and gives faith. This is why every "elect" person you have ever met was someone exposed to the Bible. It isn't a coincidence.
God commands and wants all men everywhere to repent. Only a maniacal villain would command someone to do something they could not do. This is not the nature of God as shown in the Bible.
Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
2 Pet. 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Yes, all men are dead in trespasses and sins before they're saved (Eph. 2:1), however, the word of God has the power to breathe life into any soul that is willing to seek God. The Bible has the power to make alive. Calvinists deny this. Note: "quicken" means to make alive.
John 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
Psalm 119:93 "I will never forget thy precepts: for with them thou hast quickened me."
Psalm 119:154 "Plead my cause, and deliver me: quicken me according to thy word."
Psalm 119:156 "Great are thy tender mercies, O Lord: quicken me according to thy judgments."
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
I Pet. 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever."
2 Tim. 3:15 "And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."
1 Cor. 1:18-21 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."
Heb. 4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."
AMEN
The Reformation was GOD's work. Now all comes against it. Decisional Regeneration started in 1800 with Charles Finney. Before that all preaching was reformed. Like Charles Spurgeon. Millions came to faith in Christ. His preaching was for lost and fallen humanity. Never Lost is Never Saved.
Typical reformed. accuses of misrepresenting then either says nothing else or fires off verses with no explanation or context.
@toniespastafresca That says absolutely nothing. Do you not think that every single theologian and exegete and whatever thinks absolutely the same about their own views whether reformed or otherwise? The quoted statement is empty of meaning, meaning that only the view of me and those like me is correct. It is as empty as saying one is a biblicist. That seems like the Spurgeon quote that Calvinists throw around like it’s conclusive without stopping to consider that Calvinists are a small minority (10-15% depending on where you look) of a Christianity that has a variety of views.
Great sermon. (I wish you could cut out the background noise) I went to a large Baptist church and TULIP never came from the pulpit but it was taught by one Sunday school teacher and only Calvinistic books were in the Men's Bible study. The average non-Calvinist Baptist did even know that they were being indoctrinated with false teaching.
Skip 0:00 - 6:30, unrelated story telling.
After 6:30 The speaker goes into his point.
From what I am gathering is that he is challenging “Predestination”. His argumentation starts with an emotional plead for 3 minutes without Biblical basis e.g. without opening the Bible. Although, he promised that he would use the Bible later.
After 10 minutes of Prologue, still no Bible verses. He still uses emotional triggering words such as “maniacal God of theirs [Reformed Theologians]”
13:38 From this point, he started opening the Bible with 2 Peter 3:9
If I was this Pastor, I would outline how Reformed Theologians defend this doctrine of Predetermination and Predestination [and any other doctrine that needs to be challenged]. Then attack each scriptural foundation with other scriptures to counter it, if they are even available.
Moreover, personally I would rather approach for example a Dr. Baucham first and reason with him with my rebuttal/research before going out to the public like this. However, and again, this is just me, this is my personality.
@@deusx.machinaanime.3072 If you disliked this video, you'll really hate this one: ua-cam.com/video/pjBsZBdTSnM/v-deo.html
@@TruthLewiston Please control your tongue.
We are all under the same God.
It is our understanding and what we each accept as Truth that are different and separate us.
Therefore, please do not put our God’s name in vain or you will be paying for it later.
@@deusx.machinaanime.3072 Where did we use God's name in vain?
@@TruthLewiston Watch your own video. Maybe you missed something.
I don't keep with reformed theology or calvin but to deny scripture because it's unfair and makes a God you don't like --- that's truly your problem.
You cannot force God into your way. Read Isaiah 44 45 and 46
It tells us to " get over it "
He is God and we are NOT
No, we absolutely love the God of scripture. Look at what he made available to ALL MEN.
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
@@TruthLewiston If you ARE saved--- God chose you.
Just because you don't understand the tension between God's sovereignty and our responsibility doesn't mean it's not God's WAYS.
Who are we to reply against God??
Don't be guilty of replying against HIM. Very dangerous the way some try to say we make God a monster. HIS WAYS are not our ways so we need to bow to that sovereignty
@@TruthLewiston lf you have been saved by the FINISHED and completed work that Jesus accomplished --- God chose you.
I pray you ARE saved now and forever --amen
The Reformed idea of Predestination is false.
ROMANS 8:22-25
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the *firstfruits of the Spirit,* even we ourselves groan within ourselves, *waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.*
24For we are saved by *hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?*
25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we *with patience wait for it.*
A Born Again Christian receives the gift of salvation by believing the gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4. He is SEALED with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. We have the FIRSTFRUITS of the Spirit. We are bought with a price and are a possession of God.(Acts 20:28, Ephesians 1:14) We are saved by Grace through Faith, YET here we are saved by HOPE in verse 24. We are Justified, but we are not Glorified...yet.
EPHESIANS 1:4-5
According as he hath chosen us in him *before the foundation of the world,* that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5Having *predestinated us unto the adoption of children* by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
I did not exist before the foundation of the world, but Jesus Christ did. He hath chosen us in Him (before the foundation of the world). This verse is another proof of Jesus Christ's always existing. We are PREDESTINED to be ADOPTED. When are we adopted? At Justification? No, at Glorification. (Romans 8:23) No sin can enter Heaven, and Paul explains How we are to be changed in 1 Cor. 15:48-53:
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49And as we have borne the *image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.*
50Now this I say, brethren, *that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.*
51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
*53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.*
To Inherit the kingdom a Christian cannot turn from sin, do works or do anything of his own power to change his corrupt flesh. God Himself changes the Christian from a creature with TWO NATURES into a glorified saint.
Romans 8:29-32
For whom he did *foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,* that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30Moreover whom *he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified:* *and whom he justified, them he also glorified.* 31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also *freely give us all things?*
Foreknown>Predestined>Conformed to the Image.
Called>Justified>PREDSTINED>GLORIFIED. Therefore FREELY given ALL Things.
Notice the absence of sanctification here.
What Known/foreknown means:
GALATIANS 4:9
*But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God,* how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
verse 8:8 *Howbeit then, when ye knew not God,* ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
God "knew" you AFTER your Justification. A Christian "knows" God, and God "knows" a Christian.
IF a man chooses to trust in Jesus Christs' death, burial and resurrection for their sins he is Justified. God foreknows you NOW, and you are PREDESTINATED to be conformed to the image of His Son. Who God Justifies He WILL GLORIFY. Your sanctification CANNOT save you or keep you saved:
GALATIANS 3:1-4
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
*3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?*
*4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.*
To think you can be conformed to the Image of Christ by the works of the flesh is heresy. Paul states that in the flesh dwells no good thing. (Romans Ch. 7) How can a Christian with sinful flesh be conformed to Jesus Christ? HE CANNOT, even if he is saved.
The First nature of the Saved Christian:
1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
v24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
verse 25: So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; *but with the flesh the law of sin.*
The Second Nature:
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his *seed remaineth in him:* and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Romans 7:17 *Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.*
verses 22,23 For I delight in the law of God after the *inward man:* But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the *law of sin which is in my members.*
verse 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. *So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God;* but with the flesh the law of sin.
COLOSSIANS 2:10-12
*And ye are complete in him,* which is the head of all principality and power:
11In whom also ye are circumcised with the *circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:*
12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the *operation of God,* who hath raised him from the dead.
God puts off the sins of your flesh in a CIRCUMCISION made without hands. Your flesh cannot corrupt your soul and spirit. This "operation" is done by God, not by a Christians attempt at sanctification.
Works cannot save you. (Romans 4:4-5)
Or keep you saved. (Galatians 3:1-4)
You are Predestined (IF you are Justified, by your faith in the gospel) to be GLORIFIED.
The Biblical Doctrine of Predestination
The Reformed doctrine of predestination is not false; rather, it is the clear teaching of Scripture. The Word of God affirms that salvation is entirely a work of God, from election to glorification.
ROMANS 8:22-25
"For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23 And not only that, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. 24 For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, through perseverance we wait eagerly for it."
Salvation is initiated by God and secured by Him. When a person believes in the gospel (1 Cor. 15:1-4), they are sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption (Eph. 1:14). The believer possesses the firstfruits of the Spirit and is bought with a price (Acts 20:28). We are saved by grace through faith, but our full redemption-the glorification of our bodies-is yet future.
EPHESIANS 1:4-5
"Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him in love, 5 by predestining us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will."
This passage is explicit: God chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world. Election is not based on foreseen faith but on God’s sovereign will. Christ, existing eternally, is the basis of our election. We are predestined for adoption, which will be fully realized at our glorification (Rom. 8:23).
Since no sin can enter heaven, Paul explains how we will be transformed in 1 Corinthians 15:48-53:
"Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable… we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet… this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality."
This transformation is the work of God alone. A believer cannot, by his own effort, turn from sin, perform works, or reform his flesh to attain glorification. God Himself will complete this work.
ROMANS 8:29-32
"For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son… and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified."
This passage establishes the golden chain of redemption. Notice the order:
Foreknowledge → Predestination → Calling → Justification → Glorification
Each step is a sovereign act of God. There is no mention of sanctification in this sequence because sanctification is distinct from justification and glorification.
What It Means to Be Known by God
GALATIANS 4:9
"But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things?"
God’s foreknowledge is not mere prescience; it is His sovereign, intimate choice to set His love upon His elect. We were not known by God before salvation, but in Christ, He now knows us.
Justification and Glorification-A Guaranteed Promise
IF a person places their trust in Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection, they are justified. At that moment, they are predestined to be conformed to Christ’s image. Since God justifies, He will also glorify. Sanctification is the process of growing in holiness, but it does not secure salvation.
GALATIANS 3:1-4
"Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?"
Sanctification is the fruit of salvation, not the cause. To believe that one can conform to the image of Christ by human effort is to deny the sufficiency of grace.
The Two Natures of a Christian
The Old Nature:
1 John 1:8 - "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
Romans 7:14 - "I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin."
The New Nature:
1 John 3:9 - "No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God."
Romans 7:17 - "It is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me."
The believer still wrestles with the flesh, but their soul is secure in Christ.
The Work of God in Salvation
COLOSSIANS 2:10-12
"In Him you have been made complete… having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised with Him through faith in the working of God."
This “operation of God” refers to the divine work of separating the believer’s soul from the corruption of sin. Our justification and glorification rest in God’s power, not our own efforts.
Conclusion
Salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. Works cannot save (Rom. 4:4-5), nor can they keep us saved (Gal. 3:1-4). Those whom God justifies, He will glorify. Predestination is not a denial of human responsibility but a demonstration of God’s sovereign grace.