The Absurdity of Reformed Theology
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Nov. 6, 2022, Adult Sunday School at Truth Baptist Church.
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
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If man was not created a free moral agent, then he was not created in the image of God.
wow, absolutely! I need to remember this
If man wasn’t created with the ability to create matter, then he wasn’t created in the image of God.
@@samueladams4577 gottem lol
Man was created free, and he used his freedom to become a slave of sin, and was no longer a free moral agent, but one enslaved to sin. He became a dead man who does not love God, and until Christ sets you free, you will love sin and hate God. This is the teaching of the Bible.
@@Quinnrodius
When the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
{Ezekiel 18:24}
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
{Ezekiel 33:11}
Whosoever will not whosoever of the elect which is what Reformed add to John 3:16 or loved the world "of the elect" It is heresy nothing else!
This has to be the worst explanation of reformed theology I have ever heard. It’s beyond ridiculous. All this sermon proves is this pastor is not educated.
Ask yourselves this question.
Are you saved because of a smart decision you made of your own free will. Or because God saved you.
His idea of Gods sovereignty is ridiculous. Comparing God to mere man.
Read your whole Bible friends. God doesn’t shy away from his Sovereignty. He hardens Pharos heart? Why?
The free gift is definitely available to all. The problem is in your free will, you will NEVER choose Christ. In John it says NO MAN can come to Jesus unless the father draws him. Does he draw every human who ever lived? Did he draw hitler? If he did, then did God fail?
Could have Jesus went to the cross and man in his free will not one single person accept his gift. Was God in heaven hoping someone would get saved?
No!
Jesus said he came for HIS sheep.
You don't know the Bible.
All men can and are commanded to believe. It is our free will that gets in the way.
John 1:9 "That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world."
John 12:32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."
Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
2 Pet. 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
The Bible is what builds faith.
Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
Learn more here: ua-cam.com/video/sysigecl60A/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Yes I AM saved because of a decision I made. Of course God made the first move by deciding to give me the offer. HOWEVER are YOU saved? How do you KNOW? Calvinism says God chooses based on his good pleasure. So can you tell me exactly what pleasure he found in you? You cannot know if youre saved because you have no idea on what basis God chooses. There are 3 choices for you
1) He chooses based on works (you and I both reject that I assume)
2) He draws names for a hat
3) He saves those who place their faith in him willingly
So you see, even if calvinism were true, there is still a condition. God has a reason for everything he does, so what is his reason for choosing you? If you dont know the answer, you cant know youre saved. You could also be suffering from "evanescent grace" the calvinist notion that God tricks people into believing theyre saved, only to fond in the end they arent. That is why calvinism is the same as arminianism, for both say that if you dont persevere til the end youre lost, and neither can know if theyre saved. Both John Piper and John MacArthur have stated they will not know for sure until they die. The "sheep" you refer to were not the "elect" as youre thinking. They are those who had already believed the Father and had faith, so they were ready to accepth that Jesus was the messiah. that is why Jesus said "my sheep hear my voice" because those who had already believed God (the Father) would naturally believe the Son. None of the "sheep" were forced or predestined to believe. they believed willingly, Just as Cornelius did
@@TruthLewiston all you did was pull verses out of context
@@caman171 nope
@@brandon1967w ah the famous calvinist responses are
1) "strawman"
2) "you just dont understand calvinism"
3) "nope"
The illustration at the beginning of the sermon is 100% accurate.
Tell me something, Calvinists: why would you listen to the entire sermon if you think it's wrong?
The sermon is truth. That's why you listen to it.
For example: I wouldn't listen to a Jehovah (false) Witness speak for 5 seconds. The doctrine is wrong. And I don't need to listen to them.
But the Calvinists will tune into a truthful sermon such as this one delivered by Mr Logan Fowler, because they are insecure and are not convinced that their doctrine is accurate.
Let me help you out here.
I was in a calvinist church for 3 years. The calvinist pastors are deceivers. And they don't even realize it. They double talk. They don't tell you what they really believe. They don't know the difference between the church and Israel. They play "jackrabbit theology" where they dodge a topic and jump to another to avoid being exposed. They take one verse out of context and wedge it into their false man-made system that is rooted in gnosticism, Greek philosophy and Roman Catholicism. They do not compare scripture with scripture.
Calvinist pastors are deceived. They have misled you.
Mr Fowler is trying to help you.
You have to consistently listen to KJV rightly-dividing pastors such as Logan Fowler, James Knox, Laurence Vance and David Cloud to help you untangle the calvinistic cobwebs.
Changing is tough. But it is necessary and you will be a great witness for the Lord Jesus Christ if you ditch the false doctrine of Calvinism.
It’s fascinating looking at the Reformed comments here. Always the same responses to the critique of the calvinist position. “This guy doesn’t understand Reformed theology” yet there is nothing substantive put forward by them to explain the theology or to reckon with the teacher’s arguments. If you notice below, Logan is always the last person standing. Reformed theology only sustains itself by surviving in an echo chamber. It’s a cult for mine.
It definitely is a cult. I spoke to an old flame this past summer, and when I mentioned several rhetorical-qyestiin indictments against Calvinism, her response was, "All good questions, but there are answers "
Agh!!!!!!!!
That's not being a Berean; that's being cult-like.
I.emailed her the other day and addressed this insane idea of Christ dying ,"for the elect" and asked what in the world was meant by "for the elect"? I mentioned that if someone were "elected" for Heaven, that person was saved at that point and that if the elect are already saved, why, then, would the Lord die on the cross?
And I discern that she's FINALLY snapping out of it.
How honest is Logan's approach when he starts to cite a confession of faith, saying it contradicts with a statement some further in the confession? So he really thinks he's the first one to see the contradiction, and all the time before no reformed theologian realized their confession was contradictional? Or they did see and considered it to be better to stick to the confession than to stick to the Bible? Please...
I'm sorry, I can accept a baptist or evangelical view as more or less biblical (not entirely in my eyes), at the same time I accept a reformed view as - in my opinion - a bit more biblical; we all are limited in knowledge so every theology has its flaws... But when someone thinks he has to mock reformed theology... Then I can't take him seriously. Yes, now you can still say I also don't give arguments or clarification in favor of reformed theology - I don't have the time yet, and if I would make the effort I don't know if it would have any positive effect, so I won't explain it here anyway. Just take a good reformed dogmatics or so, read it carefully, compare with scripture, empathize, think along... You don't need to change to a reformed church, but you will see how biblical it all is. I'm not that familiar with Logan's theology, just accidentally encountered this video, but his explanations seem quite simplistic and sometimes quite biblicistic to me. Very unfair, this video, unworthy of a christian.
@@rblom8283 who are the best teachers you have read or listened to that present the best refutation of reformed theology?
@@honestchristianity936Soteriority 101 or Beyond the Fundementals UA-cam
I was thinking the same thing from the Pastor. He used one reference and took it out of context. Then after refuting Arminianism in one sentence he used Arminianism to refute calvinism. This is teaching others how to misrepresent a viewpoint. He should go talk to one of them first or read about it before creating more division. We might say you're close to heresy because you're dispensational, but you say we're blasphemous because we believe only God can save us in our sin by sending His people with the Gospel to hear and be saved. We wouldn't have any of it without Him working it out for us. We don't worship calvin. He just wrote about what the Bible said and explained the layout of it exegetically.
Pastor, about a year ago I heard another sermon of yours about this subject. I thanked you for it in a comment then, but I did not go into details, now I will. I had been listening to a very famous and respected leader of reformed churches worldwide for about a year at that time. Not having any knowledge of that teaching beforehand, this part of it crept into my head before I realized the problem. It was very depressing and very scary. I was fighting myself to let it go, to not believe that ....but it was hard to come out of the fear it brought to me for some reason. Then I heard that sermon of yours and everything clicked back in line and I was able to shake it off and know my God again! Since then, I have also became a member of a church here, attending regularly...thats because of your church also. I will forever be grateful. Thank you so much for taking the time to post online, it is a blessing to me.
Ms. Ledbetter,
Thank you so much for telling us your story. It is very encouraging and very understandable. If I believed in the god of Reformed theology I would be depressed as well. This is one of the very reasons I grappled with this topic at a young age. The god of Reformed theology cannot exist alongside the God of the Bible. I had to choose one or the other.
I pray that others see your comment and are encouraged to do the same as you have done.
You are a blessing to me,
Pastor Logan Fowler
I am happy for you Cherie. The Devil valued destroying you so much that he tried to sift you as wheat and failed! There must be an important job God has chosen for you that threatens the devil's kingdom. Your testimony here has a great amount of power in itself to help others going through the same thing.
People who are Calvinist can still be a christian but it is NOT because of Calvinism, it is because at one point in time they heard the gospel and believed...Calvinism took over later on.
People who debate Calvinism and Arminianism (Jacob Arminius) is a false debate, through study its easy to see that Jacob Arminius was a calvinist. The debate between the two is false and legitimizes both as valid positions to hold regarding scripture. They are BOTH false...
Calvinism is NOT Christian. This "view" degrades the Jesus of scripture and what he did on the cross so that any one can believe. Calvinism teaches that Christ did NOT die for the sins of the world nor did he taste death for everyman. This deceitful teaching twists scripture in such a way that a new believer, who is NOT "studied to show himself approved", can easily fall for this.
God predestines sin and then holds you accountable for being forced to carry gods sin out???
Truth in Love
Pastor Logan,
Your example using the two buses with their set routes that our sovereign God has provided for us to choose from was what put everything in place for me. Since then, I have had full confidence in my salvation and that leaves me free to serve Him better. The idea that this other philosophy even existed left me frozen in fear and good for nothing at all. I'm way down the road from this now, thanks to you, and the fruit of each doctrine is clear in my life. Our Lord is all powerful, sovereign and most definitely perfectly just.
Thank you for encouraging me today with your post. I'm starting to realize my job towards family and friends and it's a daunting idea, so once again, you're right on time!! Lol! Also, many people in your position would have their comments turned off. I greatly respect that you engage to try to help people when it's obvious there is no other reason for you to do so. Thank you for everything extra that you do!
Cherie
@@cherieledbetter8185 Amen, Cherie! Thanks for continuing to keep in touch. God bless you as you contend for the faith and run your race!
Eph. 6:10 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might."
@@TruthLewiston The Calvinist God and the God of Islam must sit at the same table going through their fry or not to fry list!
One of the foundational doctrines of Islam is the absolute sovereignty, to the point of determinism, of Allah. Allah knows everything, determines everything, decrees everything, and orders everything. Allah is even the cause of evil (Unveiling Islam, p. 109).
It follows that Allah predestines all who will be saved and all who will be eternally damned. Of those who cannot be saved, Surah 2:6-7 states:
It follows that Calvinism and Islam are both inherently fatalistic. In Calvinism, the sovereign God elects those who will be saved and rejects all others, as seen repeatedly in Calvin’s writings:
…some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of those ends, we say that he has been predestined to life or death (Institutes, 3.21.5). John Calvin
The reason they share the same Theology is that they come from the same source of inspiration!
They all are writing down the Doctrine of Demons they embrace and willingly!
Truth in Love
So sad. A man, instead of preaching scripture, stands on his soapbox and fights a boogyman. He has no understanding of what he is supposedly refuting. Stidy! Preach the Word. Feed your flock
What did he get wrong?
Worn out tired cult trope. Do
Better , much better, if you’re willing.
Worse sermon ever. Setting up a strawman with a stupid story.
How is it a strawman? Where does it mischaracterize Reformed Calvinism? Best example please.
@@TruthLewiston the story was nonsensical start there... not even a representation of Reformed Theology... I am a Lutheran but really dislike it when other groups are so blatantly lied about.
@thomaslee8658 Yet you can't provide a single example of how it misrepresents Calvinism? You are an empty man living an empty life.
@@thomaslee8658 well Lutheran are all over the map. Predestination? um yes but no. Works? um no but yes Christs presence in the supper? well the bread really is his body but its still just bread. please dont preach to others about mischaracterization
@@caman171 lol
You have a hole in your theology big enough to drive a train through. Nice story but not at all biblical or what calvinism teaches. I feel sorry for you since in your position is a misrepresentation as an honest mistake or an intentional lie that will be punished for its purpose in leading people from the God of the Bible.
Your view of God places Him a little bit more powerful then humans but existing in the same reality of space and time.
There is nothing new about your beliefs just a bit different package.
Your comment is as empty as your theology. At least try to include some sort of scripture or critique of the scriptures presented.
@@TruthLewiston How is it that scripture is constantly taken out of its context without zero proper hermeneutics applied to prop up a faulty position.
READ ALL of Peter 3 . He's is talking to believers about the end times and how there are more of Gods elect to save. God is fulfilling HIs promise , what promise ? The one given to Abraham regarding the number of the saved will be like the sand of the seashore. How does God make that promise? Because He has degreed it and will fulfill that promise!
This is so simple to understand but you continue to be blinded by tradition.
You should look up the fact that the Bible is a Historic Redemptive Narrative and then watch "Theocast" very helpful.
@davevandervelde4799 Good job, Dave. See, now, you're looking at scripture. This can be productive. I'll answer you later. In the meantime, watch this. You will enjoy it: ua-cam.com/video/pjBsZBdTSnM/v-deo.html
@TruthLewiston I will do that thank you.
@@davevandervelde4799 I firmly reject your point. II Peter 3:3-7 directly references the lost (mockers, ungodly, etc.). And then verse nine tells us he is longsuffering which speaks to the fact that he waits for people to repent but some do not repent. This alone proves Calvinism wrong.
Luke 13:34 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!"
Of a truth, II Peter 3 is just like Romans which clearly shows the gift of eternal life is as applicable to all of mankind as death is.
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
I dont know much about Baptists, in general, but I assumed that they were all on board with that total depravity concept and sovereign predestination. Thanks for your insights, as an EO, you made my day a bit more refreshing. Thanks again for your content. Be well!
I’ve been in the Southern Baptist church for 50-years. We have never believed in or taught predestination. God Bless
These are calvinists, not all baptist are calvinist, prebysterians are also calvinists
Baptists are all over the map. Theologically sound Baptists agree with the London Confession of Faith. Spurgeon was one such Baptist, the greatest evangelist of the 19th century. Frankly, if you do not agree with the Apostles, Jesus, Augustin, Luther, Calvin, etc., then you may as well rejoin the Roman Catholic church to unite with others who reject the Reformation which ushered in reason, and abandoned superstition. History is pretty fascinating.
@@louskimming4371 Theologically sound? May I remind you that Spurgeon was saved in a Methodist Church. 90% of calvinists were "saved" in a non calvinist church. calvinist churches dont ever have true converts
@caman171 universal negative, you're being willing to say that destroys your credibility completely, go talk to yourself, I have no time for one who so blatantly lies. Low hanging fruit, one of the most intelligent people we can document, Edwards, was a Calvanist and became one in a Calvanist Church. That's not for your edification I am more than done with you. It's for others, just to prove how easily your lie is exposed to be a lie. Unmitigated liars can not be reasoned with.
The Reformation is part of History. Calvin did not make a new doctrine but all he did is referring to the early church fathers like John Chrysostom, against the heresies of the Catholic church However I gladly give you some Bible text
Words like “predestined - predestinated - foreknowledge - elect - election - foreordained” appear with regularity and are always the basis for Pauline teaching on salvation. When someone denies personal predestination from before the foundation of the World” it shows that they have never really stood toe-to-toe with the Bible and read it for what it actually says. The staunchest brick wall opposition to deny the truth of God’s word is always built on traditions of men; never on the clear word of Scripture. Our fleshly, human ego just loves the idea that our “will” is totally at liberty. Yet, the Bible tells us that we are “dead in trespasses and sins.” Human tradition refuses to believe that. And Biblical salvation is always based on God’s free and sovereign grace, Only His will and His good pleasure; NEVER on our willingness first and God’s grace last. Again, human tradition refuses to believe that.
Exodus 33:19 And he said, “I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The Lord.’ And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy.
Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.
Matthew 20:23 He said to them, “You will drink my cup, but to sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.”
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.”
Matthew 25:34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
Mark 13:20 And if the Lord had not cut short the days, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days.
John 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.
John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
John 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
John 17:9 I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.
Romans 8:28-30 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
Romans 9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
Romans 11:7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened,
2 Timothy 1:9 Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,
Ephesians 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will.
Ephesians 1:11-12 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory.
1 Peter 1:2 According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
1 Peter 1:20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you
Galatians 1:15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace,
1 Thessalonians 1:4 For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you,
Revelation 13:8 And all who dwell on earth will worship it, ( So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast) everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
Revelation 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more.
Revelation 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan WILL BE released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. “WILL BE” means it will happen BECAUSE of God’s Decree.
Why now release Satan to deceive the nations? This lifetime is short and Hell is forever. Would you rather be presumptuous and not find out the truth. Never Lost is Never Saved.
How much FREE-WILL do people in Thailand have with 93% practicing Buddhist and 5.5% Islam 1.5% divided in no religion and Christians? To be born & raised a Buddhist only a miracle from our Sovereign Lord can change the heart of a person. If God wanted all to be saved all would be saved. The old covenant was for Israel only. The new covenant does not have limitation to certain people.
God elected/chose/predestinated believers -- those "in him." And, yes, not one of these will be lost. Watch this debate. It will help you: ua-cam.com/video/pjBsZBdTSnM/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Mormonism is part of history also. And yet they miss the mark on Scripture.
Luther was a part of history and even the Reformation, but in later life he was a raging antisemite and a proponent of the heresy we now call Replacement Theology.
Just because someone is part of history - even the history of the church - doesn't mean they were right. That's why it's vital we interpret Scripture separated from our preconceived notions. If we go in looking for Calvinism, we'll find it. If we go in asking God to teach us what the Scriptures *actually* say, we'll find that also.
@@shawnkeith1164 That is why I have all these Bible text there. Bud God can Harden hearts. And they will not be saved
@@TruthLewiston You should get off that Pulpit. It will give you unspeakable grief and PAIN. This Reply is not hate, but out of love and concern for you.
Why do you think God has to harden people's hearts and blind their eyes? Because they COULD get saved, but after watching them reject Christ again and again, God decides to stop giving them chances.
The fact that God blinds eyes is actually proof that they could have been saved. Why would unelect people need to be blinded?
Good grief. That was a tragic and broken misunderstanding of Reformed Theology. Such straw man arguments only strengthen the faith of a reformed person in their understanding of scripture’s clarity on how some are chosen, called, predestined, drawn etc, by God and some are not.
One of the incredible things about God’s wonderful grace, mercy and love is in the fact that he saves any at all!! None of us deserve salvation. NONE. People miss this constantly. They think too highly of their goodness, too little of the deep significance of their sin, and completely miss the great holiness of God in doing so. You were a corpse before you were saved. You could not choose God anymore than a corpse could reanimate itself. Moreover, your/our sin nature preempts any human desire to seek after God anyway. Even if your spiritual corpse could reach out for God, our sin nature precludes our desire to, absent God’s calling and drawing of us to Him. You compliment yourself too much to think you chose God of your own will. If you are in Christ, it is because God has drawn you to Himself (read John 6, especially the second half).
It would seem this man’s animosity toward reformed theology framed his entire lack of objectivity toward it. He built a straw man, then proceeded to argue against it. 😢
Please reconsider the predestination language in John 6, Romans 8 & 9, and Ephesians 1, to name a few, but honestly it is throughout the entirety of scripture.
Ya'll keep saying it's a strawman but you don't point out a single evidence of this. And if one reads the Westminster Confession of the Faith, they will see the analogy is spot on.
We have already addressed the predestination language. It is speaking of corporate election. God elected all of those "in him." He chose a group -- believers.
And you, like all Calvinists, do not appreciate the value of the Bible. It is what quickens hearts (makes them alive) and gives faith. This is why every "elect" person you have ever met was someone exposed to the Bible. It isn't a coincidence.
God commands and wants all men everywhere to repent. Only a maniacal villain would command someone to do something they could not do. This is not the nature of God as shown in the Bible.
Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
2 Pet. 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Yes, all men are dead in trespasses and sins before they're saved (Eph. 2:1), however, the word of God has the power to breathe life into any soul that is willing to seek God. The Bible has the power to make alive. Calvinists deny this. Note: "quicken" means to make alive.
John 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
Psalm 119:93 "I will never forget thy precepts: for with them thou hast quickened me."
Psalm 119:154 "Plead my cause, and deliver me: quicken me according to thy word."
Psalm 119:156 "Great are thy tender mercies, O Lord: quicken me according to thy judgments."
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
I Pet. 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever."
2 Tim. 3:15 "And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."
1 Cor. 1:18-21 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."
Heb. 4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."
AMEN
The Reformation was GOD's work. Now all comes against it. Decisional Regeneration started in 1800 with Charles Finney. Before that all preaching was reformed. Like Charles Spurgeon. Millions came to faith in Christ. His preaching was for lost and fallen humanity. Never Lost is Never Saved.
Typical reformed. accuses of misrepresenting then either says nothing else or fires off verses with no explanation or context.
“Reformed theology is nothing other than biblical Christianity”.
Calvinistic Christians drove me to deconstruct my faith and I ultimately became nihilistic. I was excommunicated and ostracized and became homeless for a year. Only by glory and grace did I find my way back to a place where Jesus could take me and heal my soul. I was broken and suffering passive unaliving myself ideation. In an instant last week the Holy Spirit took that darkness from me and pointed clear my path. I cried in joy and relief for the grace he allowed me to experience. I am now on a mission to expose Calvinism for the Anti-Christ Spirit it holds and harms with. It's the most diabolical interpretation of scripture in existence. I pray all decent people call these Charltons out for the tricksters they are. Love in Christ
Mercy, calvinists reformers as a whole are horrific
@@truthseeker5698 they are the great apostasy
@AlanDeMoss don't go to the Greek, or buy a good concordance if you really want to follow Satan. Calvanism didn't drive you to atheism/nihilism. You did. It's more likely your realization that you actually hate God did. Why wouldn't a sound church excommunicate someone who proclaimed belief, then came clean and refuted their belief? You made your choices, and blame others for it. I don't doubt for a second that a spirit is motivating you, but as you refute Jesus, Paul, and ultimately God, it isn't the Holy Spirit.
🎯🎯 Obviously, you just don't understand Calvinism🤪🤪😊😊Thanks for preaching truth.
Are You following me around the internet? LOL
Truth in Love
@@truth7416 😎😎
Truth Lewiston said:
"You do realize that you're simply quoting all of the failed Reformed talking points that I've already refuted in the video and in the comments section?
The Bible makes hearts come alive (look up "quicken" in scripture and read Romans 10:17).
God draws all men unto him (John 12:32), though some men resist the Holy Spirit (Acts 7:51).
Here's a straightforward, simple question I'd like to give you the chance to answer. None of your colleagues have even dared to. What does the word "all" mean in this verse?
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
i said:
You need to understand "all without distinction" (Jew and gentile, groups, kinds.ect) and "all without exception" (everyone).
John 12:32 the all is "all without distinction" because if all means everyone and the Greek word for "draw" is put rather as "drag" and is the same Greek word in John 6:44 in which this "draw/drag" is effectual then you just stated that God effectually brings everyone to Christ and I don't think you believe universalism. So its rather put God draws "all without distinction" not "all without exception"
Acts 7:51 I'd say the workings of salvation are not even an issue in Acts 7:51 because Stephen isn't inviting his hearers to become believers. Stephen's just scolding them for being opposed to God's work in the world and, in particular, the Spirit's work of witnessing to Christ through the early church leaders.
But even if his hearers were resisting a call to be saved, we'd make a distinction between God's general call that goes out to all men and can be resisted and his effectual call which cannot.
Here's a straightforward, simple question I'd like to give you the chance to answer. None of your colleagues have even dared to. What does the word "all" mean in this verse?
(I did lol) you should read that comment I made. further up.
Romans 5:18 Simply put, all men represented in Adam are condemned. Likewise, all men represented in Christ are justified. All those in Adam will be condemned. All those in Christ will be granted eternal life. Each all is as comprehensive of its representative head.
Paul's dealing with Adams federal headship.
lets see if he will reply.
Cute idea, but the problem is that you have to add to scripture to get there. Here's your rewrite:
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men REPRESENTED IN ADAM to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men REPRESENTED IN CHRIST unto justification of life."
Shall we rewrite whatever passages don't fit your doctrine?
I Tim. 2:4-6 "Who will have all men to be saved REPRESENTED IN CHRIST, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all REPRESENTED IN CHRIST, to be testified in due time."
Heb. 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man REPRESENTED IN CHRIST."
Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth REPRESENTED IN CHRIST: for I am God, and there is none else."
Isaiah 53:66 "All we REPRESENTED IN ADAM like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one REPRESENTED IN ADAM to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all REPRESENTED IN CHRIST."
Titus 2:11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men REPRESENTED IN CHRIST"
And this is just a small sample of verses. Wow, you have a lot of rewriting to do!
Proverbs 30:6 "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
@@TruthLewiston “Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men REPRESENTED IN ADAM to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men REPRESENTED IN CHRIST unto justification of life."
Right because any other way would be: everyone in Adam and now everyone is in Christ is righteous, how do you not see that? Plus the context is federal headship. So saying “cute idea” and then saying my interpretation and its context is faulty…. You therefore believe in universalism.
I don’t have try to argue your mocking about me interpreting Romans 5:18 and the fore that means all these verses you listed have the same interpretation it’s about context which you don’t seem to understand.
You never disproved my interpretation you just took other verses, and say well may as well use it here then. This is honestly childish and then you completely skipped all my other rebuttals.
@@TruthLewiston also wait to you reliaze other translations have different words that represent the same Greek and Hebrew text. But all you believe is KJVO and I’m not gonna try to debate with that arrogance.
@@JesseVarnon That's an illogical conclusion. The free gift is available to all men, but it is up to men to receive it or not.
John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
And here are all those verses again without your additions to them. Please, just read and believe. Faith comes by hearing the word of God, not by hearing the Reformed nonsense. Praying for you.
I Tim. 2:4-6 "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."
Heb. 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."
Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."
Isaiah 53:66 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."
Titus 2:11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men"
Rom. 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
@@TruthLewiston "That's an illogical conclusion. The free gift is available to all men, but it is up to men to receive it or not."
Romans 5:18 would therefore mean that this "righteousness" done by Christ is given to "all" in your interpterion is "everyone" then Christ satisfied the wrath for from the Father for everyone and therefore no one can stand condemned, you are implying that this gift "righteousness and satisfied wrath" must be naturally accepted apart from divine intervention and mans incapacity to due what is spiritually pleasing to God. (Genesis 6:5; Genesis 8:21; Ecclesiastes 9:3; Jeremiah 17:9; Mark 7:21-23; John 3:19; Romans 8:7-8; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 4:17-19; Ephesians 5:8; Titus 1:15.) Your adding that this gift which must be received (I agree with that it must be received) comes before regeneration and is for all without exception. Regeneration precedes faith (Romans 8:14; 1 Corinthians 2:10-13; 1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 Corinthians 12:3; 2 Corinthians 3:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17-18; 1 Peter 1:1-2, Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18; Acts 13:48; Acts 16:14; Acts 18:27; Ephesians 2:8-9; Philippians 1:29; 2 Timothy 2:25-26, Romans 8:14; 1 Corinthians 2:10-13; 1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 Corinthians 12:3; 2 Corinthians 3:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17-18; 1 Peter 1:1-2. We disagree on the order of the how this gift and I say is for all without distinction is made, God regenerates you and then believe and accept the gift. (Ephesians 2:1-10)
"Faith comes by hearing the word of God, not by hearing the Reformed nonsense." Praying for you."
I agree that faith comes by hearing the word of God, its the means God uses to draw His elect to the ends He established. Faith is a gift of God not a result of mans works (Ephesians 2:8-9) I also prayed for you, I'm just merely disagreeing on interpretations.
"1 Tim. 2:4-6 "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."
1 Timothy 2:4
The key to this passage, again, is the context: 1 Timothy 2:1-6. The first appearance of the phrase “all men” comes at the end of 1 Timothy 2:1. The very next phrase of the sentence explains Paul’s meaning: “…for kings and all who are in authority.” Why would Paul have to given such instructions? First, if one takes “all men” in 1 Timothy 2:4 to mean “all men individually,” does it not follow that Christ of necessity must be mediator for all men as well? If one says, “Yes, Christ mediates for every single human being,” does it not follow that Christ fails as mediator every times a person negates his work by their all-powerful act of free will? One could hope that no biblical scholar would ever promote such an idea, for anyone familiar with the relationship between atonement, mediation, and intercession in the book of Hebrews knows well that to make such an assertion puts the entire argument of Hebrews 7-10 on its head. For the moment, we simply point out that it is far more consistent with biblical theology to recognize that Christ mediates in behalf of the elect and perfectly saves them than it is to assert that Christ mediates for all (but fails to save all). So its "all without distinction".
"Heb. 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."
Verse 10 is the support for verse 9: Christ tasted death for everyone "for it was fitting for him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings." In other words, immediately after saying that by the grace of God Christ tasted death for everyone, the writer explains that God's design in this suffering of Christ was to "bring many sons to glory." This means that the "everyone" of verse 9 probably refers to every one of the sons being led to glory in verse 10. In other words the design of God-the aim and purpose of God-in sending Christ to die was particularly to lead his children from sin and death and hell to glory. He had a special eye to his own elect children. It's exactly what the gospel of John says in 11:52-that Jesus would die to "gather together into one the children of God who are scattered abroad." These "children of God" that Christ died to gather are the "sons" that God is leading to glory through the death of Christ in Hebrews 2:10.
"Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
I agree God commands all without exception to repent :) but God commanding does not mean mean we have the capacity to do all He commands. He commands us to be Holy and perfect as the Father is holy and perfect does that mean we have a capacity to be holy and perfect or an incapacity? Again repentance is something the Sprit grants. (Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18; Acts 13:48; Acts 16:14; Acts 18:27; Ephesians 2:8-9; Philippians 1:29; 2 Timothy 2:25-26.)
"Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."
I also agree with that verse I believe God has a people under every nation and tongue. (all without distinction)
"Isaiah 53:66 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."
Again the context here's the full context:
Who has believed what he has heard from us?[a]
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 For he grew up before him like a young plant,
and like a root out of dry ground;
he had no form or majesty that we should look at him,
and no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected[b] by men,
a man of sorrows[c] and acquainted with[d] grief;[e]
and as one from whom men hide their faces[f]
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he has borne our griefs
and carried our sorrows;
yet we esteemed him stricken,
smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
and with his wounds we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned-every one-to his own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
Verse 1 "who has believed" Verse 4 He has born "our griefs". This is the elect, those believing He bore their sin. Verse 6 the "All" is "all those who believed" not for thos who haven't believed.
"Titus 2:11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men"
The context makes the meaning very clear; "older men" (Tit 2:2), "older women" (Tit 2:3), "young women," (Tit 2:4) "husbands," (Tit 2:4, 5), "children" (Tit 2:4), "younger men" (Tit 2:6), "bondservants" (Tit 2:9) and "masters"(Tit 2:9) alike are all guilty before God, but from them all God gathers his people (Rev 5:9; 7:9). Therefore they should should live consecrated lives (Tit 2:12-13). Titus 2:14 confirms this meaning as Paul writes, "who gave himself for us to redeem us [a specific group] from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people ["a people," not all people] for his own possession who are zealous for good works." (all without distinction)
"Rom. 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Right again I agree the whosoever refers to the elect seen in many other passages its the order election precedes salvation.
Now did i manipulate the scriptures you gave in any way? Or did I show it context? I believe scripture interprets scripture.
When discussing what God has done, what God has authorized and who we perceive Him to be, His essence must never be compromised or He will be perceived to do and to be other than who He is.
What would have been an honest thing for this pastor to do was after reading the Westminster Confession on God’s eternal decree, he would steel man their view by quoting the scripture passages they use to defend it. Instead, he defines their view wrongly then reads passages that seem to argue against the straw man he created. Quite dishonest.
Your mom.
I agree with you. the god in your story is terrible. There is only one problem. That is not the God of Reformed Theology. I’m not sure but this may have been the most uninformed explanation of Reformed Theology I’ve ever heard. Pastor, it seems to me that you desire to be a faithful pastor who cares for God’s people. I am thankful for that. But please, please take advantage of another thorough examination of Reformed Theology.
It is you who should examine Reformed Theology. The god of the Westminster Confession is the same one portrayed in the story.
3:7 "The rest of mankind, God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of his own will, whereby he extendeth or withholdeth mercy as he pleaseth, for the glory of his sovereign power over his creatures, to pass by, and to ordain them to dishonor and wrath for their sin, to the praise of his glorious justice."
some following channels might help you see the error of reformed theology.... BeyondTheFundamentals / Soteriology101/ GreatLight Studios/ IdolKiller. Also checkout Patrideus The Sovereign / Hitler & Calvinism
@@unitedstates3068 Thanks. I'll check these channels out. I've never read or heard an objection to Reformed Theology. I've heard and read objections to what some think Reformed Theology is but I soon realize that they don't really know what Reformed Theology is. I hope the references you have recommended to me have a better grasp on the topic.
@@paulmandry2566 RT is a very broad term. The channels I mentioned relate more to the Soteriology elements of RT. The last 2 videos are a parody of the entailments of RT soteriology.
@@unitedstates3068 I checked out the sites you recommended. I went into them with an open mind, hoping that I was going to hear something new that would be thought provoking. I didn't. Just the same old unconvincing arguments, I'm afraid. One I found particularly caustic. I can't remember the name but it was the one with the red circle and an x in the centre. I find it a bit disturbing how acrimonious the attacks are on Reformed Christians. We are worse than the Devil. We are dangerous, anti-gospel, unsaved heretics. And that seems to always be the case. Notice that in the main, we do not return the same sentiments. I have a number of non-Reformed brothers and sisters and we agree that we are saved by grace and faith alone in Christ and while we have differences in the "how" it happens, we do not question each others commitment to God and his word.
I checked out your sites. Perhaps you'll check out my suggested reading material."Calvin for Today" edited by Joel Beeke, "The Bondage of the Will" by Martin Luther, "Grace Unknown" by RC Sproul. Perhaps check out articles on line on a site called monergism.com
God bless.
This is a blatant misrepresentation of Reformed Theology and who God is. He makes the same mistake that most opponents of Reformed Theology makes which discounts God's absolute and all-knowing sovereignty and omniscience. If God is all knowing then He knows your choice before you do. That doesn't take away from His loving kindness one bit. You can't pick and choose the attributes of God according to what pleases you.
Knowing the future is much different than dictating the future. God did not force mankind to sin just as he does not force a man to molest a child. This ungodly choice is made by the freewill of man.
Genesis 6:6 "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."
Your theology is deformed. How have we misrepresented it?
Read 1Samuel 23. David ask God will Saul come down to Keilah. God said,” he will come.” David ask, “ will the men deliver me over to his hand?” God said, “ they will.”
David left the city. Saul heard about it and didn’t come. The men of the city didn’t turn him over. All conditional
"You can't pick and choose the attributes of God according to what pleases you.".... that's exactly what reformed theology does.
So God doesn't love everyone who believes in the triune God?
It absolutely is not a misrepresentation
We have only one Bible but everybody understands it differently
Mankind has the ability to choose. But he has no ability to choose Christ. He has to be drawn by the Holy Spirit first, then he will believe. We are saved by the grace of God through faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross. This is all of God. If we say it is of ourselves, we would have reason to boast.
The Holy Spirit is the only member of the Godhead that DOES NOT draw anybody!!!!! Your doctrine comes not from the Bible!
@@jasonweaver8492 You are correct. John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day." God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are in agreement anyway.
Wow how arrogant....This guy fails to adequately address the Scriptures that support predestination .....The idea of predestination is strongly supported throughout Scripture....This guy avoids discussing Romans 9 in order to support his position.....No one can come to the Son unless the Father draws that person to Christ.John 6:44....&.....If you do indeed come to faith in Christ it is because the Holy Spirit has drawn you through the message of the Power of the Gospel....God knows ahead of time who will accept and who will reject the Gospel....That's what is meant by the elect ......This guys absurd examples and analogies show that he doesn't desire to examine ALL of Scripture...Although.I am not a five point Calvinist i do believe in the total depravity of man.... I believe that if you come to faith in Christ 99.9999% of credit goes to God and His REDEMMING GRACE....BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED THROUGH FAITH SO NO MAN MAY BOAST.... It is God who saves ....Human effort apart from God cannot save anyone.....Lastly I have a question for this arrogant "pastor".....When God passed judgement on Sodom and Gomorrrah were there any small children in those towns???? Yet Only Lot and his family were spared right???? And were there any young children in the time of Noah??? yet only only Noah and His family were spared in the Great Flood ALL OTHERS PERISHED.....I don't claim to have all the answers but this " pastor" is quite arrogant to think that only he has the right answers.....God's ways are not our ways and at times we just must accept that He is God.....He is Sovereign... and we are NOT
Here's a full video on Romans 9: ua-cam.com/video/sysigecl60A/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
And here's a video on children and innocence: ua-cam.com/video/mFYwF4qOFGE/v-deo.html
Watch, learn, and grow.
I think that you need to learn to be a bit more humble...RE-READ MY POST.........Despite what you think you don't have all the answers .....GOD SAVES...... and your ridiculous analogies of a child tied to a railroad track and your criticisms of John McArthur, Paul Washer, RC Sproul and John Piper only demonstrate your immaturity and arrogance......There is much biblical support for Predestination of the Elect despite what you might or might not believe.... Read the writings of Charles Spurgeon which also would disagree with your viewpoints...\@@TruthLewiston
Imagine trying to explain the works of God by using a silly human analogy. What a small view of God. Romans 11:33-36. (I was predestined to type this :) )
No, the analogy explains reformed theology. The Bible explains God, and we quote plenty of it. Including this verse. Please tell me, what does all mean in it?
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
Without the New birth from God,no one would turn to Christ. This man calls this truth,ABSURD!. Spiritually dead men cannot accept spiritual gifts,only those made born again are given the gift of faith.
You and James White are very confused. The Bible says the exact opposite in I Peter 1:23. Being born again is not the requirement for faith. Faith is the requirement to be born again. And how do we get faith? By hearing God's word!
Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
1 Peter 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."
@@TruthLewiston Jesus's words are Spirit and life,it's the Word that brings the new birth to God's unregenerate sheep and regenerates them while they are yet dead in sin.Eph 2:4-5,it's by GRACE that we are saved.
@@TruthLewiston 1 Peter 1:23 and Romans 10:17 are the means to Gods ends to the elect. Faith is a gift given by God and not a result of mans works. (Ephesians 2:8-9) You clearly don't know what the true doctrines of grace teach. That's why you had to burn a strawman with the train analogy. An Elder at my church sent me this to disprove Calvinism and it back fired because He realized that's not what Calvinism teaches.
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.”
Ephesians 1:3-6 NASB1995
Amen. He chose us "in Him." That's a conditional election. He chose all those who, in their freewill, believe in him. We cover this in the video.
John 3:15 "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
But alas, Christ marvels at people's unbelief. Why would he do that? It's because God gave us a freewill. We can choose to accept or reject Christ.
Mark 6:6 "And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching."
@Dakota Bledsoe Which passage are you talking about?
@@TruthLewistonYou are a heretic. You are not God and as soon as you simply accept HIS absolute sovereignty --- God may bring you into the light of HIS GLORY. We cannot come and we WILL not come. Faith is a gift of God -- not of US
You are In Christ because you believed as Paul writes in vs 13 of the passage you quoted. Eph 1:13 - "In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise"
@@MatthewRussell-gw3wi you are making an error in your exegesis. You are reading something in verse 13 and going back and reading it into verse 4. Instead, you should follow the argument Paul is making. Also, at verse 13, all Paul is saying that after you believed you were sealed with the Holy Spirit not that God chose you after you believed or because you would believe.
Also, let’s go with your interpretation for a bit. God chose after people believed. Doesn’t that mean God learned? Does God learn?
We need to ask the question, "Why do Christians go to Reformed Churches?" The advent of the entertainment based mega churches has pushed many Bible believers out of the Church. So, you visit a Reformed Church, even a Reformed Baptist Church and for a while it looks good! They use Hymn books, they pray, it's not chaos, and for a while all is good. After several years you realize that Calvin and the 'Confessions' have replaced the Holy Spirit. It gets worse, it's like the spell wears off, and the 'Determinism', turns into hopelessness, and you have what seems like a 'Probational Salvation' if you are not perfectly Holy. And your Christan life is a depressed mess. Years ago, the infighting of Independent Baptist Churches, and scandals led me to a Reformed Church. And I left after 10 years a mess. If you can find a 'Non-Ruckmanite' independent Baptist Church join it. There are some good churches out there but there are few and far between. If you are blessed enough to have a real pastor - pray and fast for him.
This poor preacher doesn't know what he's talking about. Only the Sovereign grace of God can open his eyes to the truth he ridicules.
Genesis 6:6 "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."
I think God might be changing his mind about creating you as well... You've used your free will to disappoint him one too many times.
What is he wrong about exactly?
Tilting at windmills. You have in no way defeated Calvinism, you have not even represented it. You vastly underestimate the holiness of God. Answer me this, was it evil for God to destroy all of humanity, save Noah and his family, during the flood? If not, why not? Remember, there were two year old's at the time of the great flood friend, even younger than that I would wager.
It was evil for mankind to become so wicked that God changed his mind about ever creating them.
Genesis 6:6 "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."
There was nothing evil about God sending judgment, but did God have a heart for the innocent two-year-olds at the flood? You bet he did. Just like he did for the two-year-olds in Ninevah. Jesus said suffer the little children to come unto me. God does not damn little ones to hell. They are innocent. Calvinism is stupidity. Learn more about this here: ua-cam.com/video/mFYwF4qOFGE/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Jonah 4:11 "And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?"
@@TruthLewiston was God unjust in destroying what you consider to be innocent 2 year olds, and younger, in the great flood? Simple question. You are dodging.
@sevencrickets9258 No, God was not unjust. Just as he was not unjust when David's child died or Stephen was stoned. All of these individuals immediately went to paradise/heaven. Our light affliction on this earth cannot even be compared to the eternal weight of glory that awaits.
What would be unjust would be to throw innocent babies in hell to burn for eternity for his glory, as deformed theology teaches.
Understand?
2 Samuel 12:23 ... “But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.”
I do not understand. Isn't the definition of murder the unjust taking of life. If the babies were innocent, it would be unjust to destroy them, and therefore it would be murder on God's part. If however they are not innocent, meaning they are under the headship of Adam at birth, then they, like all of us apart from Christ, deserve death. Are you accusing God of murder? Additionally to be clear, I Believe God is just, and no one will be in hell who should not be. Do you believe abortion the be the best way to fill heaven?
This is an awesome way to show the demonic spirit behind Calvinism. It reminds me of how Adam and Eve came to a false conclusion that God planned to keep them from something better by withholding truth from them. The doctrine of Calvinism grieves me so much.
Finally someone said it plainly
25:20 God is sovereign... he is free to do as he pleases. God is not obligated to control anything simply because he possess the ability. Calvinists assume God uses his power as they might if only they had it....
Thank God they don't. Satan is jealous of God's power, Calvinists also seem to have an uncanny focus on God's power.
They also always, always come from the perspective that "they are the "Elect" and need to show everyone else that they are not. The pride and arrogance is sickening.
The Reformed idea of Predestination is false.
ROMANS 8:22-25
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the *firstfruits of the Spirit,* even we ourselves groan within ourselves, *waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.*
24For we are saved by *hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?*
25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we *with patience wait for it.*
A Born Again Christian receives the gift of salvation by believing the gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4. He is SEALED with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. We have the FIRSTFRUITS of the Spirit. We are bought with a price and are a possession of God.(Acts 20:28, Ephesians 1:14) We are saved by Grace through Faith, YET here we are saved by HOPE in verse 24. We are Justified, but we are not Glorified...yet.
EPHESIANS 1:4-5
According as he hath chosen us in him *before the foundation of the world,* that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5Having *predestinated us unto the adoption of children* by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
I did not exist before the foundation of the world, but Jesus Christ did. He hath chosen us in Him (before the foundation of the world). This verse is another proof of Jesus Christ's always existing. We are PREDESTINED to be ADOPTED. When are we adopted? At Justification? No, at Glorification. (Romans 8:23) No sin can enter Heaven, and Paul explains How we are to be changed in 1 Cor. 15:48-53:
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49And as we have borne the *image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.*
50Now this I say, brethren, *that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.*
51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
*53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.*
To Inherit the kingdom a Christian cannot turn from sin, do works or do anything of his own power to change his corrupt flesh. God Himself changes the Christian from a creature with TWO NATURES into a glorified saint.
Romans 8:29-32
For whom he did *foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,* that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30Moreover whom *he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified:* *and whom he justified, them he also glorified.* 31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also *freely give us all things?*
Foreknown>Predestined>Conformed to the Image.
Called>Justified>PREDSTINED>GLORIFIED. Therefore FREELY given ALL Things.
Notice the absence of sanctification here.
What Known/foreknown means:
GALATIANS 4:9
*But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God,* how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
verse 8:8 *Howbeit then, when ye knew not God,* ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
God "knew" you AFTER your Justification. A Christian "knows" God, and God "knows" a Christian.
IF a man chooses to trust in Jesus Christs' death, burial and resurrection for their sins he is Justified. God foreknows you NOW, and you are PREDESTINATED to be conformed to the image of His Son. Who God Justifies He WILL GLORIFY. Your sanctification CANNOT save you or keep you saved:
GALATIANS 3:1-4
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
*3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?*
*4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.*
To think you can be conformed to the Image of Christ by the works of the flesh is heresy. Paul states that in the flesh dwells no good thing. (Romans Ch. 7) How can a Christian with sinful flesh be conformed to Jesus Christ? HE CANNOT, even if he is saved.
The First nature of the Saved Christian:
1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
v24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
verse 25: So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; *but with the flesh the law of sin.*
The Second Nature:
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his *seed remaineth in him:* and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Romans 7:17 *Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.*
verses 22,23 For I delight in the law of God after the *inward man:* But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the *law of sin which is in my members.*
verse 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. *So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God;* but with the flesh the law of sin.
COLOSSIANS 2:10-12
*And ye are complete in him,* which is the head of all principality and power:
11In whom also ye are circumcised with the *circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:*
12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the *operation of God,* who hath raised him from the dead.
God puts off the sins of your flesh in a CIRCUMCISION made without hands. Your flesh cannot corrupt your soul and spirit. This "operation" is done by God, not by a Christians attempt at sanctification.
Works cannot save you. (Romans 4:4-5)
Or keep you saved. (Galatians 3:1-4)
You are Predestined (IF you are Justified, by your faith in the gospel) to be GLORIFIED.
Calvanism is an excuse for unbelief.
Yep, that's Calvinism in a nutshell. Their God is not the God of the Bible.
No, this is a gross and rude misrepresentation of Reformed Theology and the God is the Bible.
Reformed calvinism synthetic theologies leeching off the scriptures.
Sola de another gospel.
God is omniscient, omnipotent and sovereign. As such, noting happens (or doesn't happen) absent His will, even those whom He chooses to redeem. All are bound for Hell, by their own choice to reject God and His plan for salvation. Only by the grace of God are we saved, by faith, which is a gift from God. Man's destiny is man's responsibility and you, pastor, are a charlatan.
There is a vast difference between knowing something will happen and causing something to happen. If you believe God causes or it is his will for a man to molest a child you are worse than a charlatan -- you are a blasphemer.
As Calvanists we're still Christians, we just have some different ideas. I think it's important for Christians to just agree to disagree when it's not a core doctrinal issue. No two Christians agree on everything. As long as we're saved and spreading the Gospel, other such things don't matter. And not only that but this misrepresents Calvanism, unfairly. It's strange to hear a Christian sermon in which other Christians are being attacked just because we have different theology. Calvinism still affirms everything about the Bible, it just has some different ideas. A sermon in which certain Christians area attacked just seems like a horrible thing. I am deeply saddened by this. We should not be fighting amongst ourselves. It's what the devil wants.
Agree 100%. It's rather ridiculous the pastor puts HIMSELF in the place of God in his illustration so of course he makes God look ridiculous. Just massive massive straw man drawn here.
Jude 1:3 tells us to "contend for the faith". A central part of the faith is that Christ paid the penalty for all. To say otherwise is to attack the faith. Watch this: ua-cam.com/video/xHcdUIzSaEE/v-deo.html
Isaiah 53:6 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."
The god of Calvinism is ridiculous. God is great and is "...not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance" (II Peter 3:9).
Um, HOW a person is saved is THE core doctrinal issue. This guy doesn't understand the biblical Doctrines of Grace exhibited by Calvinism
@@TruthLewistonthere is an antecedent to that word “any”. Every time that is quoted with the free will slant, they put the “…” in front and leave out the first half like you did. This letter is written to believers. And God is not willing that any of His children that He adopted according to His will, will perish. As Jesus said, all that the Father gives him will come. None will perish
Amen.
I am open minded with an open Bible. But this man who is talking sadly does not know what he is talking about. A strawman argument. Read the Bible to understand the extent of the fall. Eph. 2 is VERY clear. Dead means dead! SPIRITUAL death IS the status of ALL until they come into union with Christ! BELIEVING is no mere physical act. It is SPIRITUAL. Romans 10: IF you BELIEVE..... where?? IN YOUR HEART! That is impossible for the spiritually dead! Again Eph. 2: and you He MADE ALIVE WHO WERE DEAD!!! and you He MADE ALIVE WHO WERE DEAD!!! and you He MADE ALIVE WHO WERE DEAD!!! And what does life bring about? Thirst, awareness. The alive come to Christ by exercising faith. Where does THAT come from?? Not of man! It is a gift! I have to wonder if this man is even converted! He is so against God and God's grace!!
You are overlooking a very important fact (like most Calvinists do). The word of God makes alive! Note: "quicken" means to make alive.
John 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
Psalm 119:93 "I will never forget thy precepts: for with them thou hast quickened me."
Psalm 119:154 "Plead my cause, and deliver me: quicken me according to thy word."
Psalm 119:156 "Great are thy tender mercies, O Lord: quicken me according to thy judgments."
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Ever wonder why salvation is most prevalent in areas where the Bible is prevalent? It isn't because God elected individuals based on geography! It's because faith comes by hearing the word of God.
Of course one is commanded to believe! I do not dispute that. Adam HAD the ability to follow God. His was a conditional covenant based in law. He died and all humanity with him. Though humanity HAS changed, God has not and still requires of humanity what humanity is unable to perform. It is the Spirit of God who uses His Word to bring life. Salvation is all of grace:)
I am in the middle of a battle against Calvinism in my life. Thank you for the video brother 🙏🏽
Forsake it completely as I did or it will rot your mind
I was an Arminian for 14 years until I began a deep study into the foreknowledge of God. I even held to the view of Molinism until someone challenged me to back it up with scripture. I then began to study this subject from the perspective of a Calvinist and came to the conclusion that their view is the one most supported in scripture. Then all verses in question began to make sense, especially Romans 9 and now I can truly say the scriptures rightly teach unconditional election and the rest of doctrines taught by reformers. I hope you keep searching until your mind settles 🙏
@@feliperiossanchez7229No! you have simply jumped from one Cult to another. There is no salvation in Calvinism. Calvi-god is no god at all. It is satan's nickname. He has you right where he wants you. Self pumped up that You yes You are a lottery salvation winner of calvi-jesus doctrine of demons. Wake up!
It’s supported by the Calvinist interpretation, it is not the clearly taught view. There are other interpretations that don’t make God a narcissist monster.
Reformed, especially Calvinist, love to say how they engaged deeply with scripture, implying that such depth naturally brings about Calvinism.
Just recently came out of my battle. God is equipping us to stand against this deception.
#1: Pastors should not have an ax to grind. Brother, Romans 9:20 is aimed squarely at Bible teachers who say "God can't possible mean this _____." You know who also said "God didn't mean that"? Satan in the Garden. You're doing the same thing. I would tremble if I were you sir.
#2: Pastor: Yes we have free will. Now is there a chance God's free will is infinitely "FREER" than our free will? Our free will will never be more "powerful" than God's free will. Is there a chance your limited intellect might not understand everything about God and His will?
The disciples said as much in John 6:68. "Where can we go? You have the words of life." This was after Jesus "cannibalism" teaching that sent thousands of disciples walking away shaking their heads. The 12 didn't understand everything Jesus said, but they trusted WHO HE was and remained because of faith, NOT REASON. Not because every teaching Jesus gave made perfect sense to their human intellect, which for Anti Calvinists is the "be all end all". It's really astonishing pride that says because I don't understand something, therefore, it cant possible be true. Wow. What arrogance.
#3 did God change?
God is allowed to choose a people (regardless of their choice in the matter BTW) for Himself in the OT, the Jews...
But He's not allowed to choose NT Christians for Himself in the New Covenant? Strange God would change when the Bible says He does not change.
So, I "choose" (:-) to believe God's Word. I'm sorry that upsets you brother. (BTW I've literally never read Calvin.)
Yes man is responsible. Yet all the Father gives to the Son will come. Mankind of course has a choice. Yet in the Bible we see no goats ever becoming sheep. Golly gee, why doesn't Jesus ever talk about goats becoming sheep? Or Tares becoming wheat?
Golly gee, we just don't see that in God's Word. We see Lost sheep become found sheep.
I "choose" to believe God is good and I trust Him in that whoever is saved and whoever is condemned, God's justice is perfect.
I certainly will have to give an account for how I love God and others and share the Gospel.
(BTW Faith comes from "hearing" per Scripture. Faith does NOT come by "choosing" per you, pastor.)
I don't have to worry about the inner workings of God's will and neither do you. Unless you have some strange need to play God?
You're all across the map. Calm down. Pastors are called to "contend for the faith" (Jude 1:3). Watch this lesson and understand that, contrary to Calvin and yourself, all can be saved: ua-cam.com/video/xHcdUIzSaEE/v-deo.html
Isaiah 53:6 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."
I’m leaving a Baptist Church for a Reformed Theology Church. RT follows the Bible which I like. Your slick little performance isn’t convincing enough for me. I absolutely believe Gods Holy word over your act.
Yes, please believe God's Holy Word.
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
@Dakota Bledsoe Is God just commanding some of us to repent as well?
Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
All means all. If all are under judgment, then all can be saved.
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
Pat welcome to Reformed 5-Point Calvinism.
Calvinists believe god created all things, and controls all things, predetermined all things,
and made all things exactly the way they are.... thus god also created evil.
therefore since calvinists believe god created evil.
they are blaspheming against the holy spirit ... the only unforgivable sin.
calvinists also believe the only people who will be saved have been predetermined by god.
and since calvinists believe god predetermined who will be saved ... they have removed free will - the gift of god to humans, and removed jesus from the equation.
since god (according to calvinists) has already determined who will be saved ... (and who will not be saved) ... those who will be saved do not need christ and those who will not be saved cannot come to christ.
thus calvinists are not christians.
Can a person be saved trusting in something other than Christ Jesus? NO! They are trusting in the hope of election not Christ!
Is it possible to be in a reformed church and be saved. Yes but that is in spite of the heresy. They must have put their faith in Christ separately from what is taught. Just like those in the Catholic Cult. There could be baby christians that have no clue what they are sitting under. If they wake up and listen to the Holy Spirit they would run out of the Hive screaming!
Calvinism is NOT just another Christian denomination. It is a Cult. A doctrine of demons. Strangely how those in it, defend it to their deaths. That is how Satan, not God blinds them to the truth. But that is their God given right of free will, to do so.
Truth in Love
You’ve been deceived
@Dakota Bledsoe So you are the us? Isn't that special that YOU are among the Elect and getting all ready and packed for your ticket to Heaven!
So while your waiting to go to heaven you spend your time yelling out how God doesn't want to save anyone else!
No pride or self aggrandizement there is there?
So they sing the calvi-god song
"Jesus loves me, this I know.
As for you, I don't think so.
Only some to Him belong. We are right and you are wrong.
Yes, Jesus loves me!
Yes, Jesus loves me!
Yes, Jesus loves me!
Aren't you happy and proud that God chose us for heaven and decided not to fry you in Hell like everyone else!
But then again, I hope this isn't evanescent grace that I'm walking in and instead I'm actually deceived and one of the reprobates that He created to burn as a candle for His glory in Hell forever."
TRUTH IN LOVE
PS Seriously sir, they have made a monster out of our Loving God and Savior. I sickens me to the core of my being when I hear their slanderous Heresy. But many are waking up and leaving the Cult, so I continue in that hope. Every day is Calvin whacking day to me!
Calvinist have to take their interpretation of God’s sovereignty, that He controls every thought, action, sin, good deed, etc, to the logical conclusion that it’s not just God’s will that people sin, but that God Himself even compels a person to sin. Their sinful acts are mandated by God. I believe this error can be debunked with just one verse, “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.”
That’s not true at all. You are making up so much that you are sinning. You can say whatever you want. It’s called lying.
@@HappyPenguin75034sorry, dude. His response is 100% accurate.
Repent from your idolatry
@@HappyPenguin75034: who is the greatest resistance to evangelism? Satan.
Calvinism is not on the Lord's side. It is on Satan's side.
The calvinist church I used to attend had the following debacles:
I had an assistant pastor shoot down a public gospel tract distribution idea, because to him it was less important than a dozen other ministries;
one church member told me "people don't read" gospel tracts; one church member told me "you don't have to read the Bible"; another church member told me to not pass out tracks to teenagers; the senior pastor literally mouthed these words during Sunday School, "don't give them a gospel tract;" another church member resisted my idea to pass out tracks to kids who are entering the church for a Halloween candy distribution; A
Seminary graduate and former Pastor told the Sunday School congregation that he trusted his kids with lesbians, and when I decided to miss my Wednesday night class until I discuss the problem with the senior pastor, I was told by the senior pastor that I shouldn't do so unless I was "providentially altered"; and when I finally went to address the senior pastor about it, he told me people could be "born that way," and then he taught it when I told him not to;
When I told a friend (but he is not anymore) that the lesbian comments in Sunday school are ridiculous, I was told that I had to tread real lightly because "gossip" that can "potentially destroy somebody's career is worse" than two men having "consensual" relations; one teenager in the church got an operation and is no longer the same person, if you know what I mean.
All of this you can find in a calvinist church that doesn't know the difference between Baptist and Protestant. They call themselves baptist, but they believe in their Protestant hero Martin Luther's bondage of the will, although they tried to hide their denial Free Will from people. They also try to hide unconditional election by carefully manipulating Ephesians 2:8-9, and will not admit that they believe faith is the gift.
When you challenge their lies, you are a worst sinner than they are. All of their sins are justified in their own mind because of their Ultra need to maintain their own salvation in light of the dreaded P of tulip.
When challenged, they refuse to tell people what they really believe.
Off topic, but Dominic says he wants to be the Pastor at the "far away church." .... I told him I think they already have the next pastoral generation covered. Lol! I praised him for that way of thinking though.
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Now....hear this...; that verse was spoken to the Jews of Peter's Day; not to the Gentile world where the Apostle Paul was commissioned to PREACH and to EVANGELIZE / proselytize!!
We need to focus on the gospels, particularly jesus teachings. Jesus says you will be able to discern by thir fruit. A good one will not tolerate the other kind. Reformed or whatever denomination. No teacher is above the master, and the true sheep listens to jesus voice. Let's focus on the gospel of God news and salvation, its the only way, the truth and life through jesus to the father. Congregants tend to trust their pastor/elders, doesn't matter what form of theologian stance. We need preaching on jesus word of teaching to dicern the spirit of truth.
Using a very similar analogy your “god” would allow the little 2 year old to get hit by the train because his own immaturity and will didn’t cause him to move because all kids are stubborn. My God goes to the track and grabs the toddler, against his will and saves him…
You error, not knowing the scriptures. Babies are innocent. David knew this and knew he'd see his child again. Read your Bible more. Watch reformed videos less.
Matthew 19:14 "But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven."
Jonah 4:11 "And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand..."
2 Samuel 12:23 "But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me."
@@TruthLewiston our sinful nature is passed onto us at the moment of conception, inherited from our earthly fathers; Psalm 51:5 says “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me” The way babies that die are saved, (born and unborn), is the Father reveals the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ directly to them even in the womb if needed. We see this revealed to John the Baptist in Luke 1:41, “And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:” don’t you know these scriptures?
@@cal30m1 lol... We see that from a baby moving in the womb? That's quite a stretch, even for Calvinists... And the rest of babies burn in hell. This is deformed theology.
Babies inherit a sin nature, but not a sin record. There is major difference, but Calvinists are too stuck on their Confessions to see the easy answer in God's word.
We just covered this on Sunday. Learn the answer here: ua-cam.com/video/mFYwF4qOFGE/v-deo.html
He lay on the track for us in the person of Jesus Christ. And that way, Jesus got Himself excommunicated from the Calvinist churches.
@@TruthLewiston No one is innocent and time is the only barrier between youth and maturity.
God has no obligation to save anyone. Save any (the elect) is by grace alone. Throughout the new testament it is undeniable that election and predestination were foundations of the apostles understanding of God. Free will sounds nice but if man is able to accept Christ he is also at any time able to turn from Christ but nothing can pluck 'them from his hand'.
Yes, of course, election is Biblical. God elected/chose those who use their freewill to believe. He chose believers. He chose those "in him." Faith in Christ is the requirement.
Salvation is eternal because it cannot be undone. You cannot be unborn. You are sealed by the Holy Spirit and kept by the power of God. You don't need Calvin to believe this.
99% of all people who would read the Bible alone without any outside aids would not come up with the ideas of Calvinism. What does that say?
Wrong
That's why there is only a remnant that receive Gods effectual grace. Grace makes no sense in a free will doctrine. "Faith" doesn't earn Gods grace, salvific faith is the gift of Gods grace
@@ManassehJones Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
Faith, through repentance, are preached in all four of the gospels as a requirement for your salvation. John, Jesus, and all the Apostles told over and over again, "repent for the kingdom of GOD is at hand." Most Christians today don't believe this. Just say this simple prayer and believe aids manys path to hell.
@@robertc.frank1st203
Acts 17:30
In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
Correct.
I agree, calvinism is a false gospel, if calvinism were true then you would have god decreeing before creation that Israel would sacrifice their babies in fire to Baal, then god would punish them for doing that, because he never mentioned it to them or commanded them to do it, in fact it didn't even enter his mind, even though he did ordain that they would do it before creation.
And on top of that the calvinist god doesn't give you any say in the matter on whether or not you want to be with him in eternity, he essentially casts a love spell on certain people to make them love him, which isn't actually love, I'm sure a calvinist wouldn't approve of my actions if I told them I saw a good looking woman that I wanted to marry, so I cast a love spell on her to make her love me.
And of course they will defend the actions of their god, but they're only defending his actions because they're under the love spell, because remember they never wanted him to begin with.
I just left a church that was Calvinistic.
Why?
@@Fairford2001 well then you left a church that was teaching the truth of the scriptures. Running from the truth only proves that you do not truly seek the truth, but you only seek what your interpretation of the truth is and not the truth that scripture clearly teaches.
This is the perfect example of dividing Christianity into them and us. It seems at if you know for sure that Baptist are the only gone to heaven.
I heard him say no such thing. I only heard him say that in order to be saved - no matter your denominational affiliation - we must turn to Jesus in belief and ask Him to save us. That's pretty black-and-white, and Scriptural, but it isn't tied to any denomination. He did point out - rightly - that Calvinist doctrine preaches a false gospel, one that is not found in Scripture.
@@shawnkeith1164 Remember one thing.. Calvinist are still Christians whether you like it or not.
@@robertc.frank1st203Another gospel in reformed theology calvinism. Very plain and simple.
I feel bad for anyone sitting under this guy. Such a wack view of reformed theology. Clearly doesn’t understand reformed theology. Its a gross Misunderstanding. I can only imagine on what else he may be wrong on
I'm sorry you feel that way. I hope you change you mind... Like God did in this verse, which reformed theology has no way of explaining:
Jonah 3:10 "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."
Same sentiments here. Many people misrepresent reformed theology because they have not taken the time to seriously study the other side. I hope this pastor realizes that Baptists were historically Calvinistic in their soteriology shortly after the Reformation.
@@4jchan You don't know the Bible or Baptist history. Neither of them started with Calvin or Luther. Believers were being burned at the stake outside of the Catholic church long before the reformers decided to "separate" from Catholicism. Learn history here: ua-cam.com/video/yslQMbEKiZI/v-deo.html
Cult line 101 Rickay, reformed calvinism are not of The Bible. They are leech theologies off The Bible. Sucker theologies.
@@TruthLewiston ua-cam.com/video/ZRAlMvN5NwI/v-deo.html
Sometimes I am thinking when Calvin came to heaven he was probably surprised that there is no Calvinist or Arminians, only children of God
‘Thants not real Calvinism. Real Calvinism has never been tried…’
Bro… best comment
College age voter 2024?
That is the same thing that is always said about communism @@troywagner7551
Here are some scriptures to ponder when it comes to eternal security.
Scripture against Eternal security
Matthew 18:27-35
27Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. 28But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. 29And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 30And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. 31So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. 32Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? 34And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
Acts 27:31 abide in the ship
2 Timothy 2:12 deny us
Philippians 2:12 work out salvation
Hebrews 10:26,27 sin deliberately
Romans 11:20-24 cut off, unbelief
James 1:27. Polluted by world
Mark 9:43-48 foot, hand, eye
2 Timothy 4:7 kept the faith
Hebrews 3:14 if we hold steadfast
Colossians 1:22,23 if you continue
John 8:31,32 if you hold
Matthew 6:15. Forgive others
Matthew 18:29-35 unforgiveness
2 Peter 1:10,11. Election sure
2 Cor. 3:14,16 The veil is taken away
John 20:27 unbelieving, believing
1 Corinthians 15:2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached.
Hebrews 12:15 Be careful that no one falls short of the grace of God.
1 Tomothy 4:1-5 Depart from the faith.
James 1:12. Endure temptation.
HEBREWS 3:12-14
12Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. 13But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
1 Corinthians 10:1-12
1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. 7Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. 8Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 9Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. 10Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. 11Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
If someone believe it's "their" faith the keeps someone "in" Christ, they will be greatly awakened when they stand before the Lord.
"Grace that kept me safe this far....and grace that'll bring me home."
Trusting in your Self is NOT the salvific faith of Christ.
Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh 👉I live by the faith ....OF ....the Son of God👈, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
@@ManassehJones
2 Timothy 4:7
I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
@@mrnoedahl Can you honestly quote Gal 2:20 as your testimony?
@mrnoedahl Who is the author of 2 Timothy and Galatians?
@@mrnoedahl 2 Tim 4:7 says 3xs "I have." By whose power and faith is Paul giving glory to in saying "I have?" His own?
Thank you for posting this. It definitely compliments everything I've been battling in my head. Im currently serving on the worship team of a reformed church who seems dead to the truth. Praise be to God for Holy Spirit conviction. I wont be there much longer. Thanks again and God bless.
How would you define dead to the truth?
@@jermoang1837 That is an easy one. They refuse John 3:16. They insist on changing the meaning of the grade three words a child can understand to their Cult doctrines.
Truth in Love
@@truth7416 Reformed theology does not refuse John 3:16 it’s absolutely affirmed. I’m not sure what you mean by cult doctrine since they 100% adhere to the authority of scripture. Its inerrancy and infallibly, there’s a lot of stereotypes and assumptions made about it I think because those who are opposed to it really don’t know exactly what it is but I think if you look into it you might find that you don’t disagree with with it as much as you think
@@jermoang1837 No they don't! They adhere to John Calvin's Cult teaching that relies on changing the following Words to what they were never intended to say. They have through John Calvin decided what scripture is not allowed to say. They then change the meaning of the words and ignore context.
In Romans 9 they need to change “mercy” to “salvation”.
In John 3:3 they need to change “see the kingdom” to “believe.”
In Ephesians 2:8,9 they need to assume faith is a limited gift only given to a select few when the passage doesn’t say that.
In Ephesians 1:4,5 they need to change it to say chosen to be in Him, when the passage doesn’t say that.
If you take every time the scriptures says "World" which is 20 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
If you take every time the scriptures says "Whoever" which is 16 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
If you take every time the scriptures says "Whosoever" which is 16 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
If you take every time the scriptures says "All" which is 16 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
If you take every time the scriptures says "Everyman" which is 6 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
Then yes, Calvin got it right. and Reformed Theology is "all" true true!
Truth in love
I was in Calvinism for nearly 20yrs and I'm free now. God bless you dearest Sister.❤🙏❤
It’s like nobody in that audience reads the Bible.
Cherry pick verses when the Bible is clear. You made pet verses and say reformed does. That’s hypocritical.
If the Word of God revives as you said - that’s God. Yes!!! Man didn’t choose God. You said it!! Whoa! When God wanted to you to do it.
Reformed doesn’t say the Word doesn’t have power. No true believer will say that. Absurd!!!
Depart and find a Bible teaching Church now. It’s blasphemous???? How would it be blasphemous to confirm God the sovereignty He already has?
You mean nobody in the audience reads Calvin or Piper. And that's OK.
Tell me this, if an unelect person hears the Bible, could it give them faith? If you say no, you have no faith in the power of God's word...
While you're pondering that, ask yourself why all "elected" individuals happen to be those who hear the Bible. Coincidence? Or is it the power of God's word that quickens dead hearts?
John 1: 12-13 "But as many as received him, he gave them power to be sons of God, even to them that believe on his name; Who were born, not of blood, nor the will of the flesh, nor the will of man, but of God.
This man thinks he was born again of his own will.
This entire sermon is heretical!
What does the word "all" mean in this verse?
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
Skip 0:00 - 6:30, unrelated story telling.
After 6:30 The speaker goes into his point.
From what I am gathering is that he is challenging “Predestination”. His argumentation starts with an emotional plead for 3 minutes without Biblical basis e.g. without opening the Bible. Although, he promised that he would use the Bible later.
After 10 minutes of Prologue, still no Bible verses. He still uses emotional triggering words such as “maniacal God of theirs [Reformed Theologians]”
13:38 From this point, he started opening the Bible with 2 Peter 3:9
Who are you to talk back to the Calvinist god? If your Golden Calf ordained this sermon, you should praise and worship your Calvinist god for it
So we should just ignore God each time he mentions his elect, and we should ignore the story of the potter who makes vessel for good, and other vessels for destruction, and when God said he was pleased with some people and hated others?
So we should just ignore ALL of these scriptures and place a different god in his place?
So also you then believe that Satan can turn and ask God for forgiveness and Satan will be forgiven and let into Heaven again, since your made up god is so loving that even Satan will not perish, for all are forgiven if they repent?
Brother God said that only one who is born again and baptized will enter into the kingdom of Heaven, not all who say Lord Lord shall enter the kingdom of Heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father, now this born again soul can only come to you by the Holy Spirit, and as you should know that the Holy Spirit is part of the Trinity, part of God, so your saying that even though this is all in the scripture, you say we should ignore all of this and now say that the path to Heaven and few find it, is now the wide path, and the way to destruction is now the narrow path?
Under your false preaching, we should ignore all of this compounding scripture, of Gods election, and instead put your self saving grace in its place? Come on brother there is so much scripture saying its Gods choice, and not of our own works. If you have to make up your own stories of railroad tracks and busses which do not come from scripture, to try to get people to turn away from cannon scripture, of the true God of the bible, then your teaching a false gospel.
This is going to blow your mind: God elected believers! He did not elect individuals randomly. He chose all who believe to be saved. That's what all those passages mean. Understand?
Calvinism is dead. The Bible is alive.
The issue is not in predestination, but in the presumptions of men in light of that doctrine which they attach to it. The same applies to those who deny predestination. If God is sovereign, then all is under his foot. Your belief, your faith, your repentance, it cannot in itself do anything. Only God can save you. He has to will it. The New Testament articulates how God has chosen to act, which is to save, and what he asks of us humans, to repent and believe, and fulfill the great commission. This doesn't undermine his divine sovereignty. God said how he acts and what he asks.
God predestinated believers (not simply individuals) to go to heaven and unbelievers to go to hell. God is sovereign and mankind has a freewill. These are not contradictory concepts.
@@TruthLewistonBlasphemy.
And God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Pet. 3:9
God chose people before the foundation of the world. These will all be drawn by the Holy Spirit to believe in Christ. Those who are not chosen, God allows them to choose Christ on their own free will. They will all reject the Gospel freely, because they love their sin more.
HAVE YOU EVER READ THESE PASSAGES?? What you claim as blasphemy is literally written in the Bible! The pharisees claimed the same about Jesus. You are indeed following their footsteps.@@DieAbsoluteWahrheit
Protestant denominations, Calvinist or not, are the same. Each was founded by someone who thought he knew better than Jesus.
Good thing Christianity existed long before Protestantism -- and has always been outside of the Catholic church.
Reformed is a misnomer. Calvinism is an anti-gospel.
Also known as a "Doctrine of Demons" " Another Gospel" "Deformed Theology"
This message should be called, “the absurdity of my understanding of reformed theology.”
Please explain how he is misunderstanding???
@@Jerold-bu3ul the first ten minutes in he basically makes an a comparison to what he thinks Calvinists believe, that God is some kind of evil puppet master and we’re just robots being forced to do things. That’s not what the reformed tradition teaches about scripture at all.
@@netseotrailsedc8113of course that's it!
@@netseotrailsedc8113 Please provide one concrete example of where something was said that doesn't match reformed theology.
Reformed Theology in general does not say that God purposly sends certain people to either heaven or hell. Notice the term in this following verse that God foreknew who would submit to Him this week would inherit this salvation. Romans 8:29-30 (ESV)
29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he
The way you are presenting this entire theology is false in itself. And you may think the way you are describing, but definitely not all do. It may be your opinion but it's not all factual.
Westminster Confession of Faith 3:3.
"By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and angels are predestinated unto everlasting life; and others foreordained to everlasting death."
@@TruthLewiston
“Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, ‘My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’; Calling a bird of prey from the east, The man of My purpose from a far country. Truly I have spoken; truly I will bring it to pass. I have planned it, surely I will do it.”
Isaiah 46:9-11 NASB1995
Amen. Great passage. Now reconcile it with facts like God repents (changes his mind based on the actions of man), pleads for all men to repent, and commands all men to repent. The only way to reconcile these things is that God 's good pleasure was to give mankind a freewill.
Jonah 3:10 "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
@@TruthLewiston you believe God changes His mind? You believe God learns?
@@Dan-qh2fv I believe exactly what the Bible says. God has predetermined responses to the choices of mankind. If Nineveh does not repent, he will judge it. If mankind does not repent, he will judge it. If repentance occurs, then he won't. The very fact that there are two possible outcomes is proof of a freewill. The reformed have absolutely no answer for this.
Jonah 3:10 "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
It is good to see Godly men steelmaning and not starwmaning this doctrine that makes God the one that causes all evil, then punishes them eternal when they can't repent
I'm enjoying your sermons pastor
So does the enemy.
@themedialies6613 Why does the enemy enjoy his sermons.
I don't think I've ever heard such a misrepresentation of Reformed Theology before in my life.
@GraceandTruthChurchofAthens What was misrepresented? Your best example please.
@@TruthLewiston I'm not interested in arguing with anyone online, with all due respect. I was just stating in my comment that the Reformed Theology and Calvinistic views of God, man, justice, grace, and the gospel were extremely misrepresented by this brother as a whole. Maybe you disagree, but I believe it's ok to state my belief about this, without having to provide a defense for what I believe... at least on this kind of platform. I don't think it would be fruitful for any of us. I'm not wimping out here, by any means. I just think that this platform allows more room for strife, than for peace, and I'm more interested in peace among all my brothers in Christ, even though we may have some strong disagreements. I simply wanted to state that the beliefs of your brothers who are Reformed and/or Calvinistic (they are two different things, not one and the same thing) were very much misrepresented by this brother who preached this sermon. None of the preachers who were mentioned by name near the beginning of this sermon believe or teach what this brother claims they believe or teach. If you disagree with that, well, I'm not going to argue with you about it. God bless you. I wish you the best.
@@GraceandTruthChurchofAthensCalvinism has its own christ.
I’m a follower of Jesus The Messiah, it is impossible to cohere these two figures.
Who is I and II Peter addressed to? To God's Elect......so God desires that none of the Elect should perish...and they won't because God saves ALL the Elect sheep; not one more and not one less...ALL of them. If what you believe is true and God really wants to save everyone; then you should spend 15 hours a day; every day going door to door preaching the Gospel...why do anything else? Because its not true. Jesus said, "I will build MY CHURCH!" How does God build the Church? Peter said, "Youre the Christ, the Son of the Living God!" and Jesus responded; "Blessed are you Peter because flesh and blood did not reveal that you, but it was revealed to you by My Father who is in heaven." God reveals who Jesus is only to the Elect....not everyone. Man has no free will to respond to the Gospel. He is dead in his sins. If salvation worked the way you think it does then noone would get saved...because everyone is dead UNTIL GOD regenerates us! Your free will Arminian view has ZERO chance of being true. It does not even pass the common sense test. But they hated what you call Reformed Theology in the 1st Century too....See John 6:64-66....when Jesus taught it many of His disciples no longer followed Him. So nothing new here.
No...people go to hell because of their sins.....NOT because they don't believe in the Gospel. God didn't have to die for anyone. God would have been completely just if He let everyone go to hell because thats what our sins deserve. God chose to have mercy on some; the Elect. Thats why Peter says to make sure your calling and election are sure.....2Pe 1:10 Therefore, brothers, rather be diligent to make sure of your calling and election; for doing these things, you will not ever fall.
Let me ask you a question.....did Jesus die for Hitlers sins on the cross? So whose sins is Hitler dying for now in hell? Thats why unlimited atonement makes zero sense....because that would be double jeopardy. Jesus only died for the Elect's sins on the cross....not everyones sins. Matthew 1:21 "He shall save His people from their sins." Not only that...It is truly absurd to believe that ALMIGHTY GOD wanted to save everyone and yet devised a plan where only a few would get saved....thats the nonsense you believe. Whereas I believe Almighty God saves EVERYONE that HE wanted to save; the Elect...All the Elect get saved; not one more and not one less!
You've watched too many reformed videos, and read your Bible too little.
1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
Hitler is in hell because he rejected the free gift of salvation.
Acts 7:51 "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."
The gift of salvation is accepted by faith and faith comes by reading the Bible. You should try that. Watch the video again and then watch this: ua-cam.com/video/pjBsZBdTSnM/v-deo.html
John 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
Psalm 119:93 "I will never forget thy precepts: for with them thou hast quickened me."
Psalm 119:154 "Plead my cause, and deliver me: quicken me according to thy word."
Psalm 119:156 "Great are thy tender mercies, O Lord: quicken me according to thy judgments."
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Elect is never referred ones to Salvation, in the Bible it is to service and blessings, in the book of Peter he is talking about his people the Jews.
Contexts and calvinism have never gone together.
@@daviddriedger3244 That is just stupid nonsense....2 Peter 1:10 'Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election." Paul says in I Corinthians 3 times! That GOD chose the weak things, and the despised things and the things that are not! What Bible are you reading from? You have made up your own Bible...sad and pathetic....PLEASE READ!! I Cor 1:26-31 "Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things-and the things that are not-to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God-that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”
I can't say 'Amen' to what this preacher is saying.This man lacks understanding,knowledge about Reform Theology.Reform Theology is God-honoring theology, folks!!!!
God in his sovereignty gave man a free will. And God in his sovereignty, before the foundation of the world, chose to save all who believe in Christ.
Ephesians 1:4 "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"
This is how a sovereign God can both command and want all men to be saved, yet not all men are saved.
Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
2 Pet. 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Thanks for exposing the Calvinist poison.
Calvinism is not a prison; it is a godly, biblical and rational explanation of God's sovereignty and saving grace.
What bothers many Christians is that it puts God far above sinful man.
Thank you for this message!! This makes complete sense to me.
Yep, that’s Calvinist. Everyone is born with an invisible tattoo on their soul. DAMNED or SAVED. From before the foundation of the world. Heartbreaking
Did God not elect us before the foundation of the world? Were our names not written on the Book of Life before the foundation of the world? 🧐
Sir just because you do not understand the doctrines of Grace, doesn't mean it isn't the truth. You are ridiculous in how you are trying to deny the truth of what scripture teaches.
@kennethgreene2429 Please show your best example of how we are misunderstanding it.
@@TruthLewiston you can't really misinterpret Rom. Chapter 9. It confirms what you are saying is false to be the truth. But you deny it. If you believe the way you do then scripture contridicts itself, but if you look at it in the Reformed/ Calvinistic view it doesn't contridict itself. And we all know that scripture can't contridict itself.
You don't understand Romans 9. Watch this and learn: ua-cam.com/video/sysigecl60A/v-deo.html
@@TruthLewiston I'm not watching anything, I get my interpretation from the scripture and of the HOLY SPIRIT leading me to truth and I know what it clearly says. That God does what He has designed before the creation of the world and nothing more. And He clearly tells us that in scripture. But prideful people like you try to make it about the person and God doesn't get all the glory. So your teachings are absurd not the truth.
@kennethgreene2429 So you're not noble and humble enough to have someone challenge your position with scripture? Talk about pride. Good luck with that. You are lost and wasting your life.
Yep, a simple sentence I have replied to people before is, God's offer of salvation to every human, is a **valid** offer to every single human being.
offer of salvation to every human, is what John Calvin did. Too many people are saying stuff about Calvin without knowing a thing about the Reformation. Calvin did not make a new doctrine. He brought back the teachings of the Early church. Not against Arminius. It is the other way around, But against the heresies of the Pope church of regeneration by Works and praying to saints. 30 Million Christians who followed the Reformation were Killed by Burning on the Stake, by the Catholic inquisition In the face of a most painful dead not giving up their faith. Saying that it was the result of a false doctrine, is crossing a dangerous line, and show of total ignorance of what Scripture says.
Other than the result of men’s refusal. Calvin as you can see and put the responsibility by men.
THIS IS HOW CALVIN PREACHED THE GOSPEL (Calvin's Wisdom p119-120)
He calls all men to himself, without a single exception, and gives Christ to all, that we may be illumined by him. When we pray, we ought, according to the rule of charity, to include all. God invites all indiscriminately to salvation through the Gospel, BUT THE INGRATITUDE OF THE WORLD IS THE REASON why this grace, which is equally offered to all, is enjoyed by few.
COMMENTARIES OF JOHN CALVIN ON THE BIBLE.
“He makes this favor common to all, because it is propounded to all, and not because it is in reality extended to all; for though Christ suffered for the sins of the whole world, and is offered through God’s benignity indiscriminately to all, yet all do not receive him.” [Calvin’s Commentary on Romans 5:18]
Nevertheless, forasmuch as it is not in us to discern between the righteous and the sinners that go to destruction, but that Jesus Christ has suffered His death and passion as well for them as for us, therefore it behoves us to labour to bring every man to salvation, that the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ may be available to them ...” [Sermon CXVI on the Book of Job (31:29-32)]
“The word many is not put definitely for a fixed number, but for a large number; for he contrasts himself with all others. And in this sense it is used in Romans 5:15, where Paul does not speak of any part of men, but embraces the whole human race.” [Calvin’s Commentary on Matthew 20:28]
“For he intended expressly to state [in John 3:16] that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favour of God, YET HE SHOWS HIMSELF TO BE RECONCILED TO THE WHOLE WORLD, when he invites all men without exception to faith in Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life.” (Calvin’s Commentary on the Gospel of John)
2 peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
calvinists: "yeah all OF THE ELECT"
@@tomtemple69So you believe God will never punish the world?
Because If all means all human beings then there will never be a Time for God to punish the world...
Generation follows generation.
And it God is graceful against whom?
Against US.
@@DieAbsoluteWahrheit He punishes those who reject Christ
@@tomtemple69 And are you better then those who reject him?
Are you smarter or better?
Or why did you choose to Accept Christ?
Not willing that any (of us) should perish. He is speaking to the saved.
@susiewoodford2047 Who need to come to repentance? That makes no sense.
@TruthLewiston keep it in context. Verse1 - who is he talking to? Beloved. Verse 8- who is he talking to? Beloved. Verse 9- who are the you? Beloved. Who are the any? Beloved
@dtaase They're beloved but they haven't repented yet? A person is dead in trespasses and sins before repentance. They are enemies of the cross of Christ. That's why they need to repent.
@@dtaase And while you're struggling with this one, let us know what the word "all" means in this verse:
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
Not all people in reformed churches believe how shallow you are presenting them to be that's like saying all Baptists believe absolutely the same about once saved always saved or pre trib by the way those terminologies are not found free will can be skewed, and all those preachers that you mentioned don't believe exactly the same as well on certain doctrines but yes there are some people who have a skewed version of Grace but we must understand God can do whatever He wants to.
Do you agree with the Westminster Confession of Faith? This portrayal matches it.
@@TruthLewistonI never heard of Westminster confession of until I looked it up but I believe what the Bible says that God can give someone over to a debased mind if He wants and he hardens who He wills but ! Listen to me I personally I believe that God prepared those vessels of destruction as an example for us (before) Christ came to die for all who believe, I believe those who He hardens now after Christ died on the cross deservingly get hardened because of His foreknowledge.
@jumpingjpeg4952 Why does God harden their hearts during their lives? It's because they had a chance to believe but rejected it.
If they were not elected as the Calvinists say, and are completely dead, why would God need to harden their hearts?
This too contradicts Calvinism.
@@TruthLewiston You Not even understand Total depravity.
Its Just nonsense
@@DieAbsoluteWahrheit Total depravity is not a bad phrase (though it isn't a Bible term). But what you mean is, "total inability" to receive the free gift of salvation that is available to all. That's absurdity.
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
I appreciate your story explaining how all things cannot be ordained by God and yet He escapes all blame. This is absolutely true.
One can know beyond a shadow of any doubt that God does not save people by arbitrarily picking a handful while purposely damning the vast majority of men, women and children. A simple short illustration presented to me by a reformed brother is the proof.
He painted a picture of a ship that sunk and a huge boat passing by that had room to hold everyone and yet only picked up a few people while allowing the rest to perish. In any court of law that has the least amount of justice the captain of the boat would be found guilty of murder. Yet the reformed person viewed this as if God is innocent because he did not need to rescue anyone. This is the trouble with making God like a man. God's justice is so far above our sense of justice. Men commit euthanasia thinking the ends justifies the means all the time but scripture condemns murder. It is scripture that let's us understand how God saves and scripture clearly says that it is God's will that none should perish. It is scripture that teaches us the reason why God does not want any to perish. Namely love. For God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son to save whosoever repents. Thus we can say without a shadow of a doubt God does not save men this way of a special election. If God did save this way He would be obligated to save all men because God is perfect and no injustice can be found in Him. This is hard proof that God does not save in this fashion regardless of how good a con man your professor of theology is to convince you otherwise.
I do take issue that with your eternal security position on the same grounds as you stand against calvinism. You take one obscure word in scripture, like the calvinist looks at election, and make it into a guarantee while glossing over all the clear warning of finishing the race. Any person just reading scripture in context alone without being taught certain lines of thinking would come to the conclusion that a believer in Christ can make a willful decision to apostasize. The scripture plainly says this and warns us over and over on almost every page if one can give up on always sticking with systematic theology of certain denominations and just be a plain Christian. All of this man interjecting his line of thinking into scripture is not healthy and leads to error. God does not take away our free will once we are saved. Just as man does not lose his salvation on a daily basis. Man does have the ability to apostasize and the proof is that it happens all the time. Thus the warnings in scripture are real warnings and God is not a liar. To pretend that all these warning are not real is like pretending God chosing not to save a helpless person does not incriminate Him. It is the same blindness that arises from men meddling with scripture.
Why are these sites so obsessed with calvin? I don't have any care about calvin and I don't know where he is now.
However, scripture tells me that I was chosen to salvation. Scripture teaches our total depravity and our rebellion against God and HIS absolute sovereignty. You cannot read the Word and not see that God is and WILL be absolutely sovereign
The scripture doesn't say you were chosen to salvation. It says believers were chosen for salvation.
God chose those who ARE in him. God did not choose some TO BE in him.
Eph. 1:4 "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"
@@TruthLewiston I was chosen to salvation because I am a believer.
As a preacher you need to quit obsessing over calvin and bow to God's Word.
If you are saved -- God chose you
@@Over-for-now If you believe you are part of the chosen because you believed, you believe in conditional election! You are not a Calvinist at all. Congratulations. The requirement to be part of the chosen group (believers) is to believe! That's exactly what the Bible teaches:
John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
@@Over-for-now My part was to use my free will to receive the free gift of salvation through faith. God did the saving. I did the believing. This isn't hard.
John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
@@TruthLewiston Well well well, you FINALLY figured out that truth that lam NOT a calvinist and NEVER claimed to be. I have been saved since the early 50s and been sealed by that Holy Spirit of promise
The opening analogy is spot on. Calvinists will of course say it’s wrong. They’ll throw out their old faithful: “you just don’t understand Calvinism!”.
Either they don’t actually understand Calvinism, or they have a watered down and therefore incorrect view of Calvinism.
If not this, then they are an unknowing victim or a willing participant of double think.
Calvin himself wrestled with these inconsistencies but apparently couldn’t bring himself to admit he was wrong. Instead, he proclaimed these inconsistencies were true due to mystery.
It is amazing how people display their ignorance in public and boast about it. If we are born slaves to sin, how on earth can we have free will ? And if we are not slaves to unrighteousness or slaves to sin as Paul calls every unbeliever in Romans 6 ? Then why would I need a saviour. Slaves do not have free will as it relates to sin, and even if they had free will they would be unable to exercise it, they are slaves.
You have no respect for the power of the word of God to make men alive, and the power of the gospel to set me free. You are lost.
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
John 8:32 "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Really ? All those verses you quoted support Calvinism. The word of God quickens and makes alive the elect, without them doing anything. You just proved my point. It is not up to man, but God that gives life. 1 Corinthians 3:6 “I have planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase.@@TruthLewiston
@@henrka You don't know Calvinism. Calvinism teaches that faith is gifted out randomly to previously chosen individuals. The truth is, anyone who hears the gospel can have faith and choose to believe. Stop calling yourself a Calvinist. You aren't one.
Well, you state “everybody who hears the gospel can have faith and choose to believe”. What you are stating is contrary not just to Calvinism, but the entire Protestant reformation including Luther. It is also contrary to the Council of Orange that condemned pelagianism in 529 AD. Regardless whether I am a Calvinist or not, orthodox Christianity considers your statement heresy, and so do I. Not even Classical Arminians agree, that when the gospel is preached man can choose to believe or disbelieve. What Arminians call previnient grace is not given to all men every time the gospel is preached. Your position is not anti-Calvinist, but pelagian which is heretical. The word of God is powerful to convert the elect, but nowhere near as powerful to convert every man that hears the gospel, if it was every man would believe. Luke 16:31 is abundantly clear, that many people cannot possibly be converted by God’s word. And 1 Corinthians 2:14 also makes it clear that the natural man cannot hear or understand the gospel, this has nothing to do with the word of God having no power, but that man is blind to understand it as 2 Corinthians 4:4 states..@@TruthLewiston
@henrka Look at you looking to church history instead of God's word for answers. You're a fool.
I never claimed that all who hear the gospel believe, but I certainly claim that all who hear the gospel can believe.
The fact that mankind can hear the gospel, be convicted by the spirit, and still choose to reject Christ, also flies in the face of Calvinism's "irresistible grace" stupidity.
Acts 7:51 "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."
But yes, the word of God has the power. Anyone who hears it can choose to accept it or reject it.
Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
Psalm 119:93 "I will never forget thy precepts: for with them thou hast quickened me."
Psalm 119:154 "Plead my cause, and deliver me: quicken me according to thy word."
Psalm 119:156 "Great are thy tender mercies, O Lord: quicken me according to thy judgments."
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
I Pet. 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever."
2 Timothy 3:15 "And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."
Luke 24:32 "And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?"
I don't keep with reformed theology or calvin but to deny scripture because it's unfair and makes a God you don't like --- that's truly your problem.
You cannot force God into your way. Read Isaiah 44 45 and 46
It tells us to " get over it "
He is God and we are NOT
No, we absolutely love the God of scripture. Look at what he made available to ALL MEN.
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
@@TruthLewiston If you ARE saved--- God chose you.
Just because you don't understand the tension between God's sovereignty and our responsibility doesn't mean it's not God's WAYS.
Who are we to reply against God??
Don't be guilty of replying against HIM. Very dangerous the way some try to say we make God a monster. HIS WAYS are not our ways so we need to bow to that sovereignty
@@TruthLewiston lf you have been saved by the FINISHED and completed work that Jesus accomplished --- God chose you.
I pray you ARE saved now and forever --amen
The analogy is not even a little close to what reformed theology teaches.
How does it differ?
@@TruthLewiston I will take the time later when I am off work and explain why it is different if you really want to hear.
@@3BadBostons Yeah, just give one example, your best example. Thanks.
If Joey was His, Joey would of heard His voice. You seem to forget that God created Joey and if God had created Joey as a vessel of mercy He would have responded. God created Pharoah and Moses and "chose" each for a specific purpose.
I don't know how long you have believed in Jesus for your eternal salvation, but you seem to be one that thinks that you chose to believe in Jesus.
It is not of him who wills or runs, but of God who shows mercy.
It is He that works in us.
God works through our free will, and does not force us but perfectly gives us Light.
The whole point of God's Word is He is Light and in Him is no darkness. Are you in the light?
You decided to believe on your own? No! You heard the Word and were able to believe His Word (even if you don't understand His sovereignty).
Jesus said, MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE....
@@3BadBostons You limit the power of God's word. It can quicken (make alive) whoever hears it. Not just the reformed "elect."
Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
Moses chose to believe in the God of the Israelites. Pharoah chose to sin yet more and harden his heart. God did not force either into this outcome.
Hebrews 11:24 "By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;"
Exodus 9:34 "And when Pharaoh saw that the rain and the hail and the thunders were ceased, he sinned yet more, and hardened his heart, he and his servants."
Your theology has no answer for all of scripture. Ours does. For example, answer these two verses.
Jonah 3:10 "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
You also must understand that people reject God's grace all the time. Calvinism is a lie.
Acts 7:51 "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."
Oh the unconscious imposition of Aristotelian metaphysics and definitions of human freedom that are foreign to scripture.
Tell that to Moses...
Exodus 32:12, 14 "...Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people ... And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people."
Tell that to God...
Genesis 4:7 "If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door..."
Tell that to Satan...
Job 1:11 "But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face."
Oops... I guess ya'll are wrong.
Oh excuse me: *the conscious open theistic imposition of Aristotelian metaphysics*
@jacksonspeakman5831 that are foreign to scripture?
Thank you for this wonderful message...!!!
This message is horribly wrong.
The speakers story at the beginning was full of crap - there’s nothing in that story that has any relevance to the story of salvation- you are not portraying the God of the scriptures - please explain Rom ch 9
Romans 9 = God has mercy on those who use their free will to believe.
Romans 9:33 "As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."
@@TruthLewiston God has Mercy on people who use their free will?
So Gods Grace is dependent on your free will?
You should read the bible.
Romans 9 Talks about people prepared for hell and Heaven.
Honor and dishonor.
If God is love and grace is irresistible then I would think He would irresistibly save everyone since He isn’t willing that any should perish. The bad thing about Calvinist’s is they don’t believe all means all.
And yet there are many who hear the word of God but they don’t have ears to hear and are not saved. Why?
@@nimrod9088 because they have not been convicted of their sins or they reject the calling of God.
@@stevennelson2683Thats what WE Calvinist believe too
So if God is love why didn’t he create a world where everyone would be saved? That’s not a good argument
Romans 9 tells you why He chose not to save everyone
Thank you pastor, Calvanism is Satan’s twist on the truth to convince people not to evangelize since, according to Calvinists, achieving salvation is purely based on God’s choosing a person and not by one accepting what God has done that we could never do for ourself.
I thank the Lord for being Reformed by God through Reformed Doctrines.I will never,never gamble Reform Doctrines.I thank and praise the Lord for this.Thank You Lord for Reform Doctrines.
The blood of Christ is what saves, not reformed doctrines. You're praising the wrong thing.
Say it over and over and click your heels together and you will eventually believe it. The wizard (Satan) wouldn't lie to you!
Will you listen to yourself? Praising the doctrines of man and not the Word of God? TULIP is the doctrine of man, it is a fairy tale. It has nothing to do with biblical Christianity. As a former Calvinist of over 20 years, i understand Calvinism and Calvinism is vain babbling and Scripture warns about it. Please friend come to your senses
Okay I’m a Calvinist myself and the way you worded that is very bizarre. It like you’re venerating reformed doctrines 😂
It’s totally not a cult.
Thank you so much! Praise God for God! Amen
Rc Sproul takes 2nd Peter 3:9 and says the "any" in God not willing that any should perish and twisted it into he was only talking to the any in which his letter was speaking to, basically any of you guys that are in this room listening to me. I just can't imagine a man who is supposed to be a shepherd of the flock would take such a beautiful verse of encouragement and promise in scriptures and just completely jerk it away from someone who is struggling with the assurance of salvation!
R.C. Sprout was correct. If you follow the pronouns in 2 Peter you come to the solid conclusion that the author (Peter) was speaking to the visible Church. I would encourage anyone to give it a read from Chapter 1 verse 1.
If you want assurance of salvation read 1 John.
It is called reading and interpreting in context. Bible reading 101 is looking at who the letter was written to and why. We don't open the book and point a finger at some text and think it is for me...
The Calvinists also say all isn't all. ..then have not All sinned and come short of Gods glory? Yeah ... they say world isn't world .. so on and so forth . It's sad theology .
@@glo9547
Sometimes the Greek word for "all" most certainly doesn't mean all without exception, sometimes (in context) it is referring to all without distinction, such as all mankind, Jew and Gentile. You must remember that the original language is not like English.
John 12:19 is a great example of "world" not meaning "the whole world without exception"...
After Jesus' triumphal entry into Jerusalem,the Pharisees said:
19 So the Pharisees said to one another, “You see that you are gaining nothing; look, the world has gone after Him.”
Please don't judge too quickly. There is merit in what I am saying brother. There are some so-called Calvinists that are spreading a form of hyper-Calvanism that's not biblical, I get it. But true biblical doctrine is in the grasp of those who stay true to the infallibility and sufficiency of Scripture to reveal truth and godliness to us.
RC Sproul was lost. He believed in baptismal regeneration. So yes, he was manipulating scripture. That's why reformed theology is probably the most deadly false doctrine there is, because it's hard to detect, lots of people fall for it, and they twist words to confuse people. Case in point: Look at how many people in the American church have a calvinist viewpoint. Satan is in the religion business. Calvinism is one of his favorites. You can spot a false teaching mormon, Jehovah witness, Imam in islam, very easy.
The reformed theology has just enough poison to kill you. It's like rat poison: 99.8% cornmeal, and 0.2% arsenic- and that 0.2% kills the rat.
Would you debate the reformed pastors you named?
Gladly.
@@TruthLewiston you should contact them and arrange for a debate
@@saab952001 They'd probably only do it if enough people called for it. Please help us make the case! Contact them too!
Great sermon. (I wish you could cut out the background noise) I went to a large Baptist church and TULIP never came from the pulpit but it was taught by one Sunday school teacher and only Calvinistic books were in the Men's Bible study. The average non-Calvinist Baptist did even know that they were being indoctrinated with false teaching.
Using fear to keep people from the truth.
Sorry sir, you're wrong.
The devil doesn't think so (neither does God)... ua-cam.com/video/pjBsZBdTSnM/v-deo.html
Reformed theology is wrong, that pile of dung came from the deepest darkest parts of satan's heart to fool believers.
Reformed Theology had its origin in Augustine. He had been saved out of Manachanism, which is a fatalistic, deterministic philosophy. At the time, the church would not allow anyone saved out of that to serve in the church as a Bishop. For some unknown reason, an exception was made for Augustine. For the first 25 years of his faith, Augustine taught everything that the church taught about salvation. Something happened in 412 AD that changed Augustine who combined his fatalistic, deterministic philosophy with Christianity and the result is Reformed Theology which Calvin expanded...
This is probably the most shallow and man centered explanation of reformed theology I’ve heard in a long time. It’s strange how even God fearing men can miss basic lessons about God that he gives us in his scriptures. They rarely mention the Book of Job and what God revealed in, what is believed by many, to be the first Book Of Scripture ever written. They also ignore God’s sovereign ordination over the Cross. As if he just dealt with what happened instead of ordaining all of it. It was the most evil, sinful acts ever carried out by mankind but what does God say in the Bible ? It pleased God that he was bruised, pierced, and killed. What man meant for evil God meant for good. I understand that the sovereignty of God is beyond what man can completely comprehend. He told Job exactly this..but, as with most things, if we start with the Cross and work our way out from there, he does reveal the truth of his sovereignty to us as he wills. All things work for good for those who love God and are called according to his purpose. All things.
Job and the cross? These are two great examples of the freewill of men to accept or reject the Messiah.
Read Job 1 and tell me if you think Satan is a Calvinist. Doesn't he know that Job is predestined to not forsake God? lol... And God sure isn't a Calvinist or why is he pointing to Job as a man who has not turned against God? It's all God's doing, correct?
And the cross? Simply because God knows the future does not mean that he determines the actions of men. Like Pilot and Herod, Judas had every opportunity to do the right thing. He did not have to be the betrayer. Ever consider Christ's phrase "good were it for that man if he had never been born"? This verse is completely incompatible with reformed theology. Chew on it a while.
Mark 14:21 "The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born."
@@TruthLewiston , You’re showing your complete lack of understanding of Calvinism. Calvinism does not deny free will. Free will is in accordance with nature and Job was living under the Old Covenant. Not under the New Covenant. Maybe you should actually read Calvinist’s like Charles Spurgeon or J.I. Packer, or Jonathan Edwards. You’ve obviously been fed only anti-Calvinist propaganda.
@@TruthLewiston , Read some of the theological heavyweights. Read puritans and, as I said, Spurgeon. There’s a reason that none of them speak as the anti-Calvinist UA-camrs accuse them of. I don’t think many of these UA-cam pastors could even exegete John chapter 6. Let alone debate it against a Calvinist. They certainly can’t debate Romans chapter 9. Most of them won’t even preach on it. It doesn’t go along with their “You choose God” theology.
@@shawnglass108 Yes Calvinists don't deny FREE WILL lol.... except John Calvin did deny FREE WILL!
“How few are there who, when they hear free will attributed to man, do not immediately imagine that he is the master of his mind and will in such a sense, that he can of himself incline himself either to good or evil? It may be said that such dangers are removed by carefully expounding the meaning to the people. But such is the proneness of the human mind to go astray, that it will more quickly draw error from one little word, than truth from a lengthened discourse. Of this, the very term in question [free will] furnishes too strong a proof…I think the abolition of it would be of great advantage to the Church. I am unwilling to use it myself; and others, if they will take my advice, will do well to abstain from it.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 2, Chapter 2, Paragraphs 7-8)
John Calvin the founder again states:
“The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, nay unless in so far as he commands, that they are not only bound by his fetters but are even forced to do him service” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11)
“thieves and murderers, and other evildoers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute judgments which he has resolved to inflict.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 5)
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@@truth7416 We are not chess pieces that God moves around on a board. It’s almost pagan to think that way. Truth7416 good answer.
I almost became a Calvinist, my preaching changed and the church suffered for it.
Thanks for sharing this testimony.
@@TruthLewiston
I started listening to Voddie Baucham and unknown to me i became a parrot of his ideas which sounded so orthodox. Slowly I started preaching his messages and a certain dryness settled in my heart. A hardness of heart and carelessness for people.
I’m going to tell you a story. For the purposes of my story, I’m going to be Mrs. Fowler, Pastor Logan’s wife. One beautiful Sunday morning I invite a couple of children home after church to play in the Fowler garden. Sallie and Janie accept eagerly. Once there, I tell them my rules: you can eat any of the wholesome foods from any of the plants in my garden. Asparagus and spinach and English peas and kale. Eat to your heart’s content. But from the candy tree in the middle of the garden-licorice and taffy and lollypops and tootsie rolls and chocolate bars-you shall not eat. And if you dare, very bad things will happen to you.
The little girls had great fun playing. They ran and skipped and jumped and climbed and danced. At last they were very tired and very hungry. They looked around them at the available food. Spinach? Ugh, they hated that. Kale? Even worse. Mushy peas? Are you kidding me? This is awful!
But then Sallie took a glance toward the center of the garden. A huge tree with low lying branches. All the luscious candy they had ever enjoyed! Easy pickings! They went over and each selected several. They remembered what Mrs. Fowler had said, but they were HUNGRY. They took a bite. They took a lick. They bit and licked and bit and licked till they were all gone.
Suddenly, Mrs. Fowler appeared, red eyes blazing! She ordered them out of the garden and let them know they would never be allowed to return. Not only that, but they would die young. They might live into their twenties and have a child or two. But then, they would die miserable deaths. And the same would happen to every single one of their miserable children. And their children’s children. And they’re children’s children’s children. The progeny of such wicked, naughty little children! The offspring of disobedience!
Now, in this story, Mrs. Fowler is “God.” What would you call this God if you had to describe them? Evil? Unmerciful? Horrendous? Totally lacking in all compassion?
Oh, and I have another story. This time Mrs. Fowler invited a bunch of Sunday Schoolers out to dinner at parishioners homes all over the city. Thirty of fourth places. She and her husband had trained a couple of dozen evangelists to go out to whichever home they wanted. They had tried to train more, but there just wasn’t enough volunteers. And some of those they did have weren’t the greatest teachers in the world…if you know what I mean. They might have trouble selling a fresh-off-the-grill juicy hamburger to a starving, homeless person. After the meal, each evangelist gave a gospel presentation. And many of the kids “walked forward” to give their lives to Christ at the homes where the talented evangelists taught. Fewer at the homes where the evangelists had less talent. Almost none at the homes were the teacher with little ability. And none, of course, at the dozen or so houses where no one showed up.
All the children who didn’t walk forward were strapped to railroad tracks and run over. They only had themselves to blame. They heard the word and didn’t respond. (Well, of course, except for those who never heard. So sad about them. We need more missionaries!)
So, now, what kind of a “God” would you characterize Mrs. R. Minnie Ann Fowler to be?
Despicable? Unfair? Mean-spirited? Weak? Vengeful? You decide!
Analogies are really good ways to twist the teachings of those who oppose you. No Calvinist would even begin to recognize the supposed god of Calvinism that Pastor Fowler depicted. In his story, Bobby and Joey were human…and so was “God.” And this is the problem with so much of Arminian thought. You anthropomorphize God. You cannot see that God is on a whole nother level altogether. A whole nother plane of existence. Calvinists ascribe to human beings just as much freedom of will as Arminians do. But they also ascribe to God perfect sovereignty over things. Kind of like an author has sovereignty over how characters act in a book they are writing.
I’m pretty sure there are not many videos out there that denigrate Arminians with such vitriol. Most Calvinists look at you as our brothers and sisters in Christ. To be fair, many-if not most-Arminians return the favor.
And then there are the haters. They have amended their Bibles to read:
“Hate those who love you. Do evil unto those who treat you well.”
Christ used both analogy and satire, so we know they can be helpful when sharing or defending truth. Our analogy is based on mainstream Calvinist doctrine as clearly outlined in the Westminster Confession of Faith. If you disagree with the Westminster Confession you should stop calling yourself a Calvinist.
3:6 "The rest of mankind God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of his own will, whereby he extendeth or withholdeth mercy as he pleaseth, for the glory of his sovereign power over his creatures, to pass by, and to ordain them to dishonor and wrath for their sin, to the praise of his glorious justice."
The above quote matches our analogy perfectly, but it does not match scripture which tells us all men can be saved.
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
Agreed. This is sad teaching
@@themedialies6613 No, a sad teaching is to say the God brings babies in the world and ordains for them to be aborted and thrown in hell. That's what the Westminster Confession teaches.
10:3-4 "Elect infants, dying in infancy, are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit ... Others, not elected, ... cannot be saved"
@@TruthLewiston. No, sir, you are wrong. The Westminster Confession is but one confession of the Reformed community, and there is no compulsion to subscribe to it to be considered a Calvinist. There are also the Belgic Confession, the Heidelberg Catechism, the Canons of Dordt, and the 1689 London Baptist Confession.
And here’s what one Calvinist says about the “elect infants” line:
“The idea of ‘elect infants’ neither asserts nor denies that all infants dying in infancy are saved. Rather it tacitly concludes that at least some infants are redeemed.”
So it says absolutely NOTHING as to whether…or not…there are any infants condemned to hell. It merely states that at least some are redeemed.
Are all babies saved under Arminianism? I’m guessing there are a variety of answers to that. We simply don’t know. Scripture doesn’t tell us. Why should we quibble over this? Will not the Creator of all the world do what is right?
Your heart is clearly hardened, and you will not listen to me. Let me assure you that you know next to nothing about Calvinism as it is actually practiced. You are leading your followers astray. You purport to be a teacher, and Scripture says that you will be judged accordingly. I strenuously urge you to quit badmouthing your brothers and sisters in Christ in such an unjust manner.
May God bless you, my friend.
@@ericcarlson9885this was well said Eric. This is a delicate subject on either side of the camp. (Infants) And the rest you said there was spot on. God Bless you brother.
So if we are commanded to go into all the world and preach the gospel to all nations, all you Calvinists, must think that’s an exercise in futility. I have a huge problem with the inherent pride in Calvinist doctrine. And the Bible even says that God “wishes that none should perish.” How are you going to battle that? Thank you for this sermon.
The most wonderful thing about evangelism is that it is not reliant upon the speakers skills, power of persuasion, or slick reading of God's word that will convert the sinner.. It is the Holy Spirit who does the work, we simply share the gospel. His word promises that the sheep WILL hear His voice, the Father WILL draw them and give them to Christ, Christ WILL NOT lose any, but raise them up to everlasting life.
This is the purpose and more sure reason to evangelize the lost. We are commissioned to and we are guaranteed that those the Father has chosen, will absolutely hear His voice and come to Christ. ❤️ Praise God.
Amen, praise the Lord...
@zebra2346 why don't you buy a Concordance?
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
(2Timothy 2:15, AV)
Leisurely reading leads to Arminianism, such as yours. I grew up in Arminian churches, but I grew up in a home where logic was employed. The church said x, but God refuted them. Adoption doesn't mean that an infant chose their parents. Dead doesn't mean ill. Why don't you believe what you read in a manner that avoids contradictions?