This is a gross misunderstanding of reformed theology. Before the foundation of the world those who are Gods through Christ were written in the Lambs Book of Life (Ephesians 1, 1 Peter 1, Revelation 13) for Jesus (Jude 2). God did not predestine anyone to hell. Eve then Adam sinned (Genesis 3). Mankind came from Adam and therefore was made in Adam’s image (Genesis 5). The sin curse passed on to all of mankind like a plague. Man in there will continued to sin just like Adam. Mankind would not want God unless God wanted them (1 John 4). Throughout the history of salvation God gas only saved some (Noah and his family, Abraham and his family, etc) by his foreknowledge and predetermination (Romans 8:28-30). All have sinned because they want to sin (Genesis 6, Genesis 8, Romans 3). God merely endures the vessels of wrath so that the vessels of mercy will know the riches of His mercy (Romans 9:22-24) To say we are saved because we chose God and that’s what God foreknew puts us at the center of salvation not God. Not Christ. No where I. The Bible will you find that. Salvation is all by God, for Christ, because of Christ. We are saved to love, worship, praise and serve Christ for all eternity. The choice we make is God influencing us and persuading us by His power, love, and grace, but it was Gods choice for those first (Matthew 11:27, John 10:11, Act 13:48)
I've never had this put so clearly!! It always seemed absurd to me. I had to disengage from some of my favorite theologians, so that I wouldn't risk being influenced by them any longer, which was painful. I took all their books and threw them in the garbage!! "And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers". John 20:4,5.
Reformed Theology had its origin in Augustine. He had been saved out of Manachanism, which is a fatalistic, deterministic philosophy. At the time, the church would not allow anyone saved out of that to serve in the church as a Bishop. For some unknown reason, an exception was made for Augustine. For the first 25 years of his faith, Augustine taught everything that the church taught about salvation. Something happened in 412 AD that changed Augustine who combined his fatalistic, deterministic philosophy with Christianity and the result is Reformed Theology which Calvin expanded...
Pastor, about a year ago I heard another sermon of yours about this subject. I thanked you for it in a comment then, but I did not go into details, now I will. I had been listening to a very famous and respected leader of reformed churches worldwide for about a year at that time. Not having any knowledge of that teaching beforehand, this part of it crept into my head before I realized the problem. It was very depressing and very scary. I was fighting myself to let it go, to not believe that ....but it was hard to come out of the fear it brought to me for some reason. Then I heard that sermon of yours and everything clicked back in line and I was able to shake it off and know my God again! Since then, I have also became a member of a church here, attending regularly...thats because of your church also. I will forever be grateful. Thank you so much for taking the time to post online, it is a blessing to me.
Ms. Ledbetter, Thank you so much for telling us your story. It is very encouraging and very understandable. If I believed in the god of Reformed theology I would be depressed as well. This is one of the very reasons I grappled with this topic at a young age. The god of Reformed theology cannot exist alongside the God of the Bible. I had to choose one or the other. I pray that others see your comment and are encouraged to do the same as you have done. You are a blessing to me, Pastor Logan Fowler
I am happy for you Cherie. The Devil valued destroying you so much that he tried to sift you as wheat and failed! There must be an important job God has chosen for you that threatens the devil's kingdom. Your testimony here has a great amount of power in itself to help others going through the same thing. People who are Calvinist can still be a christian but it is NOT because of Calvinism, it is because at one point in time they heard the gospel and believed...Calvinism took over later on. People who debate Calvinism and Arminianism (Jacob Arminius) is a false debate, through study its easy to see that Jacob Arminius was a calvinist. The debate between the two is false and legitimizes both as valid positions to hold regarding scripture. They are BOTH false... Calvinism is NOT Christian. This "view" degrades the Jesus of scripture and what he did on the cross so that any one can believe. Calvinism teaches that Christ did NOT die for the sins of the world nor did he taste death for everyman. This deceitful teaching twists scripture in such a way that a new believer, who is NOT "studied to show himself approved", can easily fall for this. God predestines sin and then holds you accountable for being forced to carry gods sin out??? Truth in Love
Pastor Logan, Your example using the two buses with their set routes that our sovereign God has provided for us to choose from was what put everything in place for me. Since then, I have had full confidence in my salvation and that leaves me free to serve Him better. The idea that this other philosophy even existed left me frozen in fear and good for nothing at all. I'm way down the road from this now, thanks to you, and the fruit of each doctrine is clear in my life. Our Lord is all powerful, sovereign and most definitely perfectly just. Thank you for encouraging me today with your post. I'm starting to realize my job towards family and friends and it's a daunting idea, so once again, you're right on time!! Lol! Also, many people in your position would have their comments turned off. I greatly respect that you engage to try to help people when it's obvious there is no other reason for you to do so. Thank you for everything extra that you do! Cherie
@@cherieledbetter8185 Amen, Cherie! Thanks for continuing to keep in touch. God bless you as you contend for the faith and run your race! Eph. 6:10 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might."
@@TruthLewiston The Calvinist God and the God of Islam must sit at the same table going through their fry or not to fry list! One of the foundational doctrines of Islam is the absolute sovereignty, to the point of determinism, of Allah. Allah knows everything, determines everything, decrees everything, and orders everything. Allah is even the cause of evil (Unveiling Islam, p. 109). It follows that Allah predestines all who will be saved and all who will be eternally damned. Of those who cannot be saved, Surah 2:6-7 states: It follows that Calvinism and Islam are both inherently fatalistic. In Calvinism, the sovereign God elects those who will be saved and rejects all others, as seen repeatedly in Calvin’s writings: …some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of those ends, we say that he has been predestined to life or death (Institutes, 3.21.5). John Calvin The reason they share the same Theology is that they come from the same source of inspiration! They all are writing down the Doctrine of Demons they embrace and willingly! Truth in Love
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.” Ephesians 1:3-6 NASB1995
Amen. He chose us "in Him." That's a conditional election. He chose all those who, in their freewill, believe in him. We cover this in the video. John 3:15 "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life." But alas, Christ marvels at people's unbelief. Why would he do that? It's because God gave us a freewill. We can choose to accept or reject Christ. Mark 6:6 "And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching."
@@TruthLewistonYou are a heretic. You are not God and as soon as you simply accept HIS absolute sovereignty --- God may bring you into the light of HIS GLORY. We cannot come and we WILL not come. Faith is a gift of God -- not of US
You are In Christ because you believed as Paul writes in vs 13 of the passage you quoted. Eph 1:13 - "In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise"
@@MatthewRussell-gw3wi you are making an error in your exegesis. You are reading something in verse 13 and going back and reading it into verse 4. Instead, you should follow the argument Paul is making. Also, at verse 13, all Paul is saying that after you believed you were sealed with the Holy Spirit not that God chose you after you believed or because you would believe. Also, let’s go with your interpretation for a bit. God chose after people believed. Doesn’t that mean God learned? Does God learn?
Rc Sproul takes 2nd Peter 3:9 and says the "any" in God not willing that any should perish and twisted it into he was only talking to the any in which his letter was speaking to, basically any of you guys that are in this room listening to me. I just can't imagine a man who is supposed to be a shepherd of the flock would take such a beautiful verse of encouragement and promise in scriptures and just completely jerk it away from someone who is struggling with the assurance of salvation!
R.C. Sprout was correct. If you follow the pronouns in 2 Peter you come to the solid conclusion that the author (Peter) was speaking to the visible Church. I would encourage anyone to give it a read from Chapter 1 verse 1. If you want assurance of salvation read 1 John.
It is called reading and interpreting in context. Bible reading 101 is looking at who the letter was written to and why. We don't open the book and point a finger at some text and think it is for me...
The Calvinists also say all isn't all. ..then have not All sinned and come short of Gods glory? Yeah ... they say world isn't world .. so on and so forth . It's sad theology .
@@glo9547 Sometimes the Greek word for "all" most certainly doesn't mean all without exception, sometimes (in context) it is referring to all without distinction, such as all mankind, Jew and Gentile. You must remember that the original language is not like English. John 12:19 is a great example of "world" not meaning "the whole world without exception"... After Jesus' triumphal entry into Jerusalem,the Pharisees said: 19 So the Pharisees said to one another, “You see that you are gaining nothing; look, the world has gone after Him.” Please don't judge too quickly. There is merit in what I am saying brother. There are some so-called Calvinists that are spreading a form of hyper-Calvanism that's not biblical, I get it. But true biblical doctrine is in the grasp of those who stay true to the infallibility and sufficiency of Scripture to reveal truth and godliness to us.
RC Sproul was lost. He believed in baptismal regeneration. So yes, he was manipulating scripture. That's why reformed theology is probably the most deadly false doctrine there is, because it's hard to detect, lots of people fall for it, and they twist words to confuse people. Case in point: Look at how many people in the American church have a calvinist viewpoint. Satan is in the religion business. Calvinism is one of his favorites. You can spot a false teaching mormon, Jehovah witness, Imam in islam, very easy. The reformed theology has just enough poison to kill you. It's like rat poison: 99.8% cornmeal, and 0.2% arsenic- and that 0.2% kills the rat.
Thank you for posting this. It definitely compliments everything I've been battling in my head. Im currently serving on the worship team of a reformed church who seems dead to the truth. Praise be to God for Holy Spirit conviction. I wont be there much longer. Thanks again and God bless.
@@jermoang1837 That is an easy one. They refuse John 3:16. They insist on changing the meaning of the grade three words a child can understand to their Cult doctrines. Truth in Love
@@truth7416 Reformed theology does not refuse John 3:16 it’s absolutely affirmed. I’m not sure what you mean by cult doctrine since they 100% adhere to the authority of scripture. Its inerrancy and infallibly, there’s a lot of stereotypes and assumptions made about it I think because those who are opposed to it really don’t know exactly what it is but I think if you look into it you might find that you don’t disagree with with it as much as you think
@@jermoang1837 No they don't! They adhere to John Calvin's Cult teaching that relies on changing the following Words to what they were never intended to say. They have through John Calvin decided what scripture is not allowed to say. They then change the meaning of the words and ignore context. In Romans 9 they need to change “mercy” to “salvation”. In John 3:3 they need to change “see the kingdom” to “believe.” In Ephesians 2:8,9 they need to assume faith is a limited gift only given to a select few when the passage doesn’t say that. In Ephesians 1:4,5 they need to change it to say chosen to be in Him, when the passage doesn’t say that. If you take every time the scriptures says "World" which is 20 times and twist and force it to say Elect! If you take every time the scriptures says "Whoever" which is 16 times and twist and force it to say Elect! If you take every time the scriptures says "Whosoever" which is 16 times and twist and force it to say Elect! If you take every time the scriptures says "All" which is 16 times and twist and force it to say Elect! If you take every time the scriptures says "Everyman" which is 6 times and twist and force it to say Elect! Then yes, Calvin got it right. and Reformed Theology is "all" true true! Truth in love
The issue is not in predestination, but in the presumptions of men in light of that doctrine which they attach to it. The same applies to those who deny predestination. If God is sovereign, then all is under his foot. Your belief, your faith, your repentance, it cannot in itself do anything. Only God can save you. He has to will it. The New Testament articulates how God has chosen to act, which is to save, and what he asks of us humans, to repent and believe, and fulfill the great commission. This doesn't undermine his divine sovereignty. God said how he acts and what he asks.
God predestinated believers (not simply individuals) to go to heaven and unbelievers to go to hell. God is sovereign and mankind has a freewill. These are not contradictory concepts.
God chose people before the foundation of the world. These will all be drawn by the Holy Spirit to believe in Christ. Those who are not chosen, God allows them to choose Christ on their own free will. They will all reject the Gospel freely, because they love their sin more.
HAVE YOU EVER READ THESE PASSAGES?? What you claim as blasphemy is literally written in the Bible! The pharisees claimed the same about Jesus. You are indeed following their footsteps.@@DieAbsoluteWahrheit
I dont know much about Baptists, in general, but I assumed that they were all on board with that total depravity concept and sovereign predestination. Thanks for your insights, as an EO, you made my day a bit more refreshing. Thanks again for your content. Be well!
Baptists are all over the map. Theologically sound Baptists agree with the London Confession of Faith. Spurgeon was one such Baptist, the greatest evangelist of the 19th century. Frankly, if you do not agree with the Apostles, Jesus, Augustin, Luther, Calvin, etc., then you may as well rejoin the Roman Catholic church to unite with others who reject the Reformation which ushered in reason, and abandoned superstition. History is pretty fascinating.
@@louskimming4371 Theologically sound? May I remind you that Spurgeon was saved in a Methodist Church. 90% of calvinists were "saved" in a non calvinist church. calvinist churches dont ever have true converts
@caman171 universal negative, you're being willing to say that destroys your credibility completely, go talk to yourself, I have no time for one who so blatantly lies. Low hanging fruit, one of the most intelligent people we can document, Edwards, was a Calvanist and became one in a Calvanist Church. That's not for your edification I am more than done with you. It's for others, just to prove how easily your lie is exposed to be a lie. Unmitigated liars can not be reasoned with.
John 1: 12-13 "But as many as received him, he gave them power to be sons of God, even to them that believe on his name; Who were born, not of blood, nor the will of the flesh, nor the will of man, but of God.
1 Timothy 2:3-4 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Calvinistic Christians drove me to deconstruct my faith and I ultimately became nihilistic. I was excommunicated and ostracized and became homeless for a year. Only by glory and grace did I find my way back to a place where Jesus could take me and heal my soul. I was broken and suffering passive unaliving myself ideation. In an instant last week the Holy Spirit took that darkness from me and pointed clear my path. I cried in joy and relief for the grace he allowed me to experience. I am now on a mission to expose Calvinism for the Anti-Christ Spirit it holds and harms with. It's the most diabolical interpretation of scripture in existence. I pray all decent people call these Charltons out for the tricksters they are. Love in Christ
@AlanDeMoss don't go to the Greek, or buy a good concordance if you really want to follow Satan. Calvanism didn't drive you to atheism/nihilism. You did. It's more likely your realization that you actually hate God did. Why wouldn't a sound church excommunicate someone who proclaimed belief, then came clean and refuted their belief? You made your choices, and blame others for it. I don't doubt for a second that a spirit is motivating you, but as you refute Jesus, Paul, and ultimately God, it isn't the Holy Spirit.
@AlanDeMoss You didn't understand the doctrine then, and you just espoused a fairly common Calvinist idea 😂. It's not in the least diabolical when understood from the perspective that the universe exists for God's glory, not humanity's sake.
@@iamthasecond Yes, put on those calvie lenses , devoid of relational basics , where prayer is a trite meaningless facade, sola de closed theists for their gods glory. Such Ridiculousnss bro!
Man was created free, and he used his freedom to become a slave of sin, and was no longer a free moral agent, but one enslaved to sin. He became a dead man who does not love God, and until Christ sets you free, you will love sin and hate God. This is the teaching of the Bible.
@@Quinnrodius When the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. {Ezekiel 18:24} Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? {Ezekiel 33:11}
It’s fascinating looking at the Reformed comments here. Always the same responses to the critique of the calvinist position. “This guy doesn’t understand Reformed theology” yet there is nothing substantive put forward by them to explain the theology or to reckon with the teacher’s arguments. If you notice below, Logan is always the last person standing. Reformed theology only sustains itself by surviving in an echo chamber. It’s a cult for mine.
It definitely is a cult. I spoke to an old flame this past summer, and when I mentioned several rhetorical-qyestiin indictments against Calvinism, her response was, "All good questions, but there are answers " Agh!!!!!!!! That's not being a Berean; that's being cult-like. I.emailed her the other day and addressed this insane idea of Christ dying ,"for the elect" and asked what in the world was meant by "for the elect"? I mentioned that if someone were "elected" for Heaven, that person was saved at that point and that if the elect are already saved, why, then, would the Lord die on the cross? And I discern that she's FINALLY snapping out of it.
How honest is Logan's approach when he starts to cite a confession of faith, saying it contradicts with a statement some further in the confession? So he really thinks he's the first one to see the contradiction, and all the time before no reformed theologian realized their confession was contradictional? Or they did see and considered it to be better to stick to the confession than to stick to the Bible? Please... I'm sorry, I can accept a baptist or evangelical view as more or less biblical (not entirely in my eyes), at the same time I accept a reformed view as - in my opinion - a bit more biblical; we all are limited in knowledge so every theology has its flaws... But when someone thinks he has to mock reformed theology... Then I can't take him seriously. Yes, now you can still say I also don't give arguments or clarification in favor of reformed theology - I don't have the time yet, and if I would make the effort I don't know if it would have any positive effect, so I won't explain it here anyway. Just take a good reformed dogmatics or so, read it carefully, compare with scripture, empathize, think along... You don't need to change to a reformed church, but you will see how biblical it all is. I'm not that familiar with Logan's theology, just accidentally encountered this video, but his explanations seem quite simplistic and sometimes quite biblicistic to me. Very unfair, this video, unworthy of a christian.
I was thinking the same thing from the Pastor. He used one reference and took it out of context. Then after refuting Arminianism in one sentence he used Arminianism to refute calvinism. This is teaching others how to misrepresent a viewpoint. He should go talk to one of them first or read about it before creating more division. We might say you're close to heresy because you're dispensational, but you say we're blasphemous because we believe only God can save us in our sin by sending His people with the Gospel to hear and be saved. We wouldn't have any of it without Him working it out for us. We don't worship calvin. He just wrote about what the Bible said and explained the layout of it exegetically.
I was an Arminian for 14 years until I began a deep study into the foreknowledge of God. I even held to the view of Molinism until someone challenged me to back it up with scripture. I then began to study this subject from the perspective of a Calvinist and came to the conclusion that their view is the one most supported in scripture. Then all verses in question began to make sense, especially Romans 9 and now I can truly say the scriptures rightly teach unconditional election and the rest of doctrines taught by reformers. I hope you keep searching until your mind settles 🙏
@@feliperiossanchez7229No! you have simply jumped from one Cult to another. There is no salvation in Calvinism. Calvi-god is no god at all. It is satan's nickname. He has you right where he wants you. Self pumped up that You yes You are a lottery salvation winner of calvi-jesus doctrine of demons. Wake up!
It’s supported by the Calvinist interpretation, it is not the clearly taught view. There are other interpretations that don’t make God a narcissist monster. Reformed, especially Calvinist, love to say how they engaged deeply with scripture, implying that such depth naturally brings about Calvinism.
When discussing what God has done, what God has authorized and who we perceive Him to be, His essence must never be compromised or He will be perceived to do and to be other than who He is.
Mankind has the ability to choose. But he has no ability to choose Christ. He has to be drawn by the Father first, and then he will believe. We are saved by the grace of God through faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross. This is all of God. If we say it is of ourselves, we would have reason to boast.
@@jasonweaver8492 You are correct. John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day." God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are in agreement anyway.
offer of salvation to every human, is what John Calvin did. Too many people are saying stuff about Calvin without knowing a thing about the Reformation. Calvin did not make a new doctrine. He brought back the teachings of the Early church. Not against Arminius. It is the other way around, But against the heresies of the Pope church of regeneration by Works and praying to saints. 30 Million Christians who followed the Reformation were Killed by Burning on the Stake, by the Catholic inquisition In the face of a most painful dead not giving up their faith. Saying that it was the result of a false doctrine, is crossing a dangerous line, and show of total ignorance of what Scripture says. Other than the result of men’s refusal. Calvin as you can see and put the responsibility by men. THIS IS HOW CALVIN PREACHED THE GOSPEL (Calvin's Wisdom p119-120) He calls all men to himself, without a single exception, and gives Christ to all, that we may be illumined by him. When we pray, we ought, according to the rule of charity, to include all. God invites all indiscriminately to salvation through the Gospel, BUT THE INGRATITUDE OF THE WORLD IS THE REASON why this grace, which is equally offered to all, is enjoyed by few. COMMENTARIES OF JOHN CALVIN ON THE BIBLE. “He makes this favor common to all, because it is propounded to all, and not because it is in reality extended to all; for though Christ suffered for the sins of the whole world, and is offered through God’s benignity indiscriminately to all, yet all do not receive him.” [Calvin’s Commentary on Romans 5:18] Nevertheless, forasmuch as it is not in us to discern between the righteous and the sinners that go to destruction, but that Jesus Christ has suffered His death and passion as well for them as for us, therefore it behoves us to labour to bring every man to salvation, that the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ may be available to them ...” [Sermon CXVI on the Book of Job (31:29-32)] “The word many is not put definitely for a fixed number, but for a large number; for he contrasts himself with all others. And in this sense it is used in Romans 5:15, where Paul does not speak of any part of men, but embraces the whole human race.” [Calvin’s Commentary on Matthew 20:28] “For he intended expressly to state [in John 3:16] that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favour of God, YET HE SHOWS HIMSELF TO BE RECONCILED TO THE WHOLE WORLD, when he invites all men without exception to faith in Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life.” (Calvin’s Commentary on the Gospel of John)
2 peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. calvinists: "yeah all OF THE ELECT"
@@tomtemple69So you believe God will never punish the world? Because If all means all human beings then there will never be a Time for God to punish the world... Generation follows generation. And it God is graceful against whom? Against US.
Acts 13:47-48 "For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation to the ends of the earth. And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord; and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed."
@TruthLewiston keep it in context. Verse1 - who is he talking to? Beloved. Verse 8- who is he talking to? Beloved. Verse 9- who are the you? Beloved. Who are the any? Beloved
@dtaase They're beloved but they haven't repented yet? A person is dead in trespasses and sins before repentance. They are enemies of the cross of Christ. That's why they need to repent.
@@dtaase And while you're struggling with this one, let us know what the word "all" means in this verse: Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
Using a very similar analogy your “god” would allow the little 2 year old to get hit by the train because his own immaturity and will didn’t cause him to move because all kids are stubborn. My God goes to the track and grabs the toddler, against his will and saves him…
You error, not knowing the scriptures. Babies are innocent. David knew this and knew he'd see his child again. Read your Bible more. Watch reformed videos less. Matthew 19:14 "But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven." Jonah 4:11 "And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand..." 2 Samuel 12:23 "But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me."
@@TruthLewiston our sinful nature is passed onto us at the moment of conception, inherited from our earthly fathers; Psalm 51:5 says “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me” The way babies that die are saved, (born and unborn), is the Father reveals the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ directly to them even in the womb if needed. We see this revealed to John the Baptist in Luke 1:41, “And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:” don’t you know these scriptures?
@@cal30m1 lol... We see that from a baby moving in the womb? That's quite a stretch, even for Calvinists... And the rest of babies burn in hell. This is deformed theology. Babies inherit a sin nature, but not a sin record. There is major difference, but Calvinists are too stuck on their Confessions to see the easy answer in God's word. We just covered this on Sunday. Learn the answer here: ua-cam.com/video/mFYwF4qOFGE/v-deo.html
25:20 God is sovereign... he is free to do as he pleases. God is not obligated to control anything simply because he possess the ability. Calvinists assume God uses his power as they might if only they had it.... Thank God they don't. Satan is jealous of God's power, Calvinists also seem to have an uncanny focus on God's power.
They also always, always come from the perspective that "they are the "Elect" and need to show everyone else that they are not. The pride and arrogance is sickening.
But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (Ep. 2:4-5,8)
The illustration at the beginning of the sermon is 100% accurate. Tell me something, Calvinists: why would you listen to the entire sermon if you think it's wrong? The sermon is truth. That's why you listen to it. For example: I wouldn't listen to a Jehovah (false) Witness speak for 5 seconds. The doctrine is wrong. And I don't need to listen to them. But the Calvinists will tune into a truthful sermon such as this one delivered by Mr Logan Fowler, because they are insecure and are not convinced that their doctrine is accurate. Let me help you out here. I was in a calvinist church for 3 years. The calvinist pastors are deceivers. And they don't even realize it. They double talk. They don't tell you what they really believe. They don't know the difference between the church and Israel. They play "jackrabbit theology" where they dodge a topic and jump to another to avoid being exposed. They take one verse out of context and wedge it into their false man-made system that is rooted in gnosticism, Greek philosophy and Roman Catholicism. They do not compare scripture with scripture. Calvinist pastors are deceived. They have misled you. Mr Fowler is trying to help you. You have to consistently listen to KJV rightly-dividing pastors such as Logan Fowler, James Knox, Laurence Vance and David Cloud to help you untangle the calvinistic cobwebs. Changing is tough. But it is necessary and you will be a great witness for the Lord Jesus Christ if you ditch the false doctrine of Calvinism.
I thank the Lord for being Reformed by God through Reformed Doctrines.I will never,never gamble Reform Doctrines.I thank and praise the Lord for this.Thank You Lord for Reform Doctrines.
Will you listen to yourself? Praising the doctrines of man and not the Word of God? TULIP is the doctrine of man, it is a fairy tale. It has nothing to do with biblical Christianity. As a former Calvinist of over 20 years, i understand Calvinism and Calvinism is vain babbling and Scripture warns about it. Please friend come to your senses
From a practical point of view, I do not know what God has pre-determined. So, I just trust Him and put my faith in Him and ask for His help in everything I do. My relationship with him is interactive as I journey through life. My freedom constantly mingles with his guidance. He wants to be part of my life. I want Him to be part of my life. He created me free as He is free. I don’t know how my life will turn out, but I share my life with Him. In my freedom I often act like I am powerful. It would seem like asking for His help shows that I am weak. But, with his help we can be strong when we need to and compassionate and listening to others when we need to. The concept of pre-determination only makes sense when looking back on your life in a historical way. Otherwise, it is useless and only stirs up controversy. He may know how things turn out. But we are rarely given such foresight.
Acts 11:17-18 "Forasmuch, then, as God gave them the same gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, what was I, that I could withstand God? When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life."
If God is love and grace is irresistible then I would think He would irresistibly save everyone since He isn’t willing that any should perish. The bad thing about Calvinist’s is they don’t believe all means all.
The Reformation is part of History. Calvin did not make a new doctrine but all he did is referring to the early church fathers like John Chrysostom, against the heresies of the Catholic church However I gladly give you some Bible text Words like “predestined - predestinated - foreknowledge - elect - election - foreordained” appear with regularity and are always the basis for Pauline teaching on salvation. When someone denies personal predestination from before the foundation of the World” it shows that they have never really stood toe-to-toe with the Bible and read it for what it actually says. The staunchest brick wall opposition to deny the truth of God’s word is always built on traditions of men; never on the clear word of Scripture. Our fleshly, human ego just loves the idea that our “will” is totally at liberty. Yet, the Bible tells us that we are “dead in trespasses and sins.” Human tradition refuses to believe that. And Biblical salvation is always based on God’s free and sovereign grace, Only His will and His good pleasure; NEVER on our willingness first and God’s grace last. Again, human tradition refuses to believe that. Exodus 33:19 And he said, “I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The Lord.’ And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble. Matthew 20:23 He said to them, “You will drink my cup, but to sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.” Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.” Matthew 25:34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. Mark 13:20 And if the Lord had not cut short the days, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days. John 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed. John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. John 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you. John 17:9 I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. Romans 8:28-30 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. Romans 9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.” 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. Romans 11:7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 2 Timothy 1:9 Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began, Ephesians 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will. Ephesians 1:11-12 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 1 Peter 1:2 According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you. 1 Peter 1:20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you Galatians 1:15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, 1 Thessalonians 1:4 For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you, Revelation 13:8 And all who dwell on earth will worship it, ( So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast) everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. Revelation 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more. Revelation 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan WILL BE released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. “WILL BE” means it will happen BECAUSE of God’s Decree. Why now release Satan to deceive the nations? This lifetime is short and Hell is forever. Would you rather be presumptuous and not find out the truth. Never Lost is Never Saved. How much FREE-WILL do people in Thailand have with 93% practicing Buddhist and 5.5% Islam 1.5% divided in no religion and Christians? To be born & raised a Buddhist only a miracle from our Sovereign Lord can change the heart of a person. If God wanted all to be saved all would be saved. The old covenant was for Israel only. The new covenant does not have limitation to certain people.
God elected/chose/predestinated believers -- those "in him." And, yes, not one of these will be lost. Watch this debate. It will help you: ua-cam.com/video/pjBsZBdTSnM/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Mormonism is part of history also. And yet they miss the mark on Scripture. Luther was a part of history and even the Reformation, but in later life he was a raging antisemite and a proponent of the heresy we now call Replacement Theology. Just because someone is part of history - even the history of the church - doesn't mean they were right. That's why it's vital we interpret Scripture separated from our preconceived notions. If we go in looking for Calvinism, we'll find it. If we go in asking God to teach us what the Scriptures *actually* say, we'll find that also.
@@TruthLewiston You should get off that Pulpit. It will give you unspeakable grief and PAIN. This Reply is not hate, but out of love and concern for you.
Why do you think God has to harden people's hearts and blind their eyes? Because they COULD get saved, but after watching them reject Christ again and again, God decides to stop giving them chances. The fact that God blinds eyes is actually proof that they could have been saved. Why would unelect people need to be blinded?
@@Fairford2001 well then you left a church that was teaching the truth of the scriptures. Running from the truth only proves that you do not truly seek the truth, but you only seek what your interpretation of the truth is and not the truth that scripture clearly teaches.
God does not send us to hell, He saved us out of it. It's where we were going in the first place. We were DEAD in our trespasses.... Thankful for God saving me. I give HIM ALL the glory... Wasn't me (that any man should boast).
There is no boasting in choosing to receive a free gift. There is, however, boasting in believing that somehow God picked you because you're special. Abel chose the blood. Did this give him room to boast? No. Cain had a choice to make. If he had chosen the blood, he wouldn't have had room to boast either. Genesis 4:7 "If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."
@@teamrecon2685 That's like saying the person who looked at the brazen serpent could boast about healing themselves. Only an idiot would say that. And only an idiot would make the comment you just made.
Off topic, but Dominic says he wants to be the Pastor at the "far away church." .... I told him I think they already have the next pastoral generation covered. Lol! I praised him for that way of thinking though.
It is amazing how people display their ignorance in public and boast about it. If we are born slaves to sin, how on earth can we have free will ? And if we are not slaves to unrighteousness or slaves to sin as Paul calls every unbeliever in Romans 6 ? Then why would I need a saviour. Slaves do not have free will as it relates to sin, and even if they had free will they would be unable to exercise it, they are slaves.
You have no respect for the power of the word of God to make men alive, and the power of the gospel to set me free. You are lost. Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me." John 8:32 "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Really ? All those verses you quoted support Calvinism. The word of God quickens and makes alive the elect, without them doing anything. You just proved my point. It is not up to man, but God that gives life. 1 Corinthians 3:6 “I have planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase.@@TruthLewiston
@@henrka You don't know Calvinism. Calvinism teaches that faith is gifted out randomly to previously chosen individuals. The truth is, anyone who hears the gospel can have faith and choose to believe. Stop calling yourself a Calvinist. You aren't one.
Well, you state “everybody who hears the gospel can have faith and choose to believe”. What you are stating is contrary not just to Calvinism, but the entire Protestant reformation including Luther. It is also contrary to the Council of Orange that condemned pelagianism in 529 AD. Regardless whether I am a Calvinist or not, orthodox Christianity considers your statement heresy, and so do I. Not even Classical Arminians agree, that when the gospel is preached man can choose to believe or disbelieve. What Arminians call previnient grace is not given to all men every time the gospel is preached. Your position is not anti-Calvinist, but pelagian which is heretical. The word of God is powerful to convert the elect, but nowhere near as powerful to convert every man that hears the gospel, if it was every man would believe. Luke 16:31 is abundantly clear, that many people cannot possibly be converted by God’s word. And 1 Corinthians 2:14 also makes it clear that the natural man cannot hear or understand the gospel, this has nothing to do with the word of God having no power, but that man is blind to understand it as 2 Corinthians 4:4 states..@@TruthLewiston
@henrka Look at you looking to church history instead of God's word for answers. You're a fool. I never claimed that all who hear the gospel believe, but I certainly claim that all who hear the gospel can believe. The fact that mankind can hear the gospel, be convicted by the spirit, and still choose to reject Christ, also flies in the face of Calvinism's "irresistible grace" stupidity. Acts 7:51 "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye." But yes, the word of God has the power. Anyone who hears it can choose to accept it or reject it. Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me." Psalm 119:93 "I will never forget thy precepts: for with them thou hast quickened me." Psalm 119:154 "Plead my cause, and deliver me: quicken me according to thy word." Psalm 119:156 "Great are thy tender mercies, O Lord: quicken me according to thy judgments." John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." I Pet. 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever." 2 Timothy 3:15 "And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus." Luke 24:32 "And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?"
If Joey was His, Joey would of heard His voice. You seem to forget that God created Joey and if God had created Joey as a vessel of mercy He would have responded. God created Pharoah and Moses and "chose" each for a specific purpose. I don't know how long you have believed in Jesus for your eternal salvation, but you seem to be one that thinks that you chose to believe in Jesus. It is not of him who wills or runs, but of God who shows mercy. It is He that works in us. God works through our free will, and does not force us but perfectly gives us Light. The whole point of God's Word is He is Light and in Him is no darkness. Are you in the light? You decided to believe on your own? No! You heard the Word and were able to believe His Word (even if you don't understand His sovereignty). Jesus said, MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE....
@@3BadBostons You limit the power of God's word. It can quicken (make alive) whoever hears it. Not just the reformed "elect." Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me." Moses chose to believe in the God of the Israelites. Pharoah chose to sin yet more and harden his heart. God did not force either into this outcome. Hebrews 11:24 "By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;" Exodus 9:34 "And when Pharaoh saw that the rain and the hail and the thunders were ceased, he sinned yet more, and hardened his heart, he and his servants." Your theology has no answer for all of scripture. Ours does. For example, answer these two verses. Jonah 3:10 "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not." Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life." You also must understand that people reject God's grace all the time. Calvinism is a lie. Acts 7:51 "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."
We need to ask the question, "Why do Christians go to Reformed Churches?" The advent of the entertainment based mega churches has pushed many Bible believers out of the Church. So, you visit a Reformed Church, even a Reformed Baptist Church and for a while it looks good! They use Hymn books, they pray, it's not chaos, and for a while all is good. After several years you realize that Calvin and the 'Confessions' have replaced the Holy Spirit. It gets worse, it's like the spell wears off, and the 'Determinism', turns into hopelessness, and you have what seems like a 'Probational Salvation' if you are not perfectly Holy. And your Christan life is a depressed mess. Years ago, the infighting of Independent Baptist Churches, and scandals led me to a Reformed Church. And I left after 10 years a mess. If you can find a 'Non-Ruckmanite' independent Baptist Church join it. There are some good churches out there but there are few and far between. If you are blessed enough to have a real pastor - pray and fast for him.
so, does that mean, that once you are saved, you are ALWAYS saved REGARDLESS of how you live your life? meaning, that after you have come to faith and repented, you can LIVE in willful sin and still be saved?
That's the hypothetical question that those who believe in works salvation (e.g., Mormons) love to ask. The truth is, I've never met a saved individual who willfully continued to disobey God's word, reject the conviction of the indwelling Holy Spirit, and disregard the chastisement of the Father. If there were such a person we'd have every reason to conclude they were never saved in the first place. If you're saved, you'll want to live right. But living right isn't what saves. Christ saves.
believing in the life, death on the cross and most importantly ..the resurrection of Jesus Christ is what saves..if your saved you're saved..if you live like the devil..then you are a disobedient child of God if you sin,but you believe in what Jesus did .....the scripture says "Believe"..but you must repent of thinking that you can live good enough..so, we can't live "good" enough"..we should be children of satan..lest the grace of God
@@eyezon1975 No it doesn't. The correct way to view the parable is that all have gone astray though sin (Isaiah 53:6), but if we repent (change our minds about our sin) and trust Christ, God will receive us. Isaiah 53:6 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."
@@TruthLewiston I disagree. The son was already part of the "family" with all it had to offer - he wasn't a lost sinner. The son then choose to go live in sin. The father considered the son "dead" (the wages of sin is death) until the son repented and returned to the Father. Only then was he declared "alive" and welcomed back into the family. Given back clean clothes and the ring of authority to show this fact. Had the son died in the pigsty (in his sin), he would have gone to hell. This is the same fate that will await Christians who live in habitual, repeated, continuous and unrepentant sin. This parable is not only meant as a warning for Christians, but also to show the mercy and love of God. It is not a picture of the unsaved coming to repentance. The unsaved is not children of God and thereby not part of the family..the prodigal son was..
Truth Lewiston said: "You do realize that you're simply quoting all of the failed Reformed talking points that I've already refuted in the video and in the comments section? The Bible makes hearts come alive (look up "quicken" in scripture and read Romans 10:17). God draws all men unto him (John 12:32), though some men resist the Holy Spirit (Acts 7:51). Here's a straightforward, simple question I'd like to give you the chance to answer. None of your colleagues have even dared to. What does the word "all" mean in this verse? Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life." i said: You need to understand "all without distinction" (Jew and gentile, groups, kinds.ect) and "all without exception" (everyone). John 12:32 the all is "all without distinction" because if all means everyone and the Greek word for "draw" is put rather as "drag" and is the same Greek word in John 6:44 in which this "draw/drag" is effectual then you just stated that God effectually brings everyone to Christ and I don't think you believe universalism. So its rather put God draws "all without distinction" not "all without exception" Acts 7:51 I'd say the workings of salvation are not even an issue in Acts 7:51 because Stephen isn't inviting his hearers to become believers. Stephen's just scolding them for being opposed to God's work in the world and, in particular, the Spirit's work of witnessing to Christ through the early church leaders. But even if his hearers were resisting a call to be saved, we'd make a distinction between God's general call that goes out to all men and can be resisted and his effectual call which cannot. Here's a straightforward, simple question I'd like to give you the chance to answer. None of your colleagues have even dared to. What does the word "all" mean in this verse? (I did lol) you should read that comment I made. further up. Romans 5:18 Simply put, all men represented in Adam are condemned. Likewise, all men represented in Christ are justified. All those in Adam will be condemned. All those in Christ will be granted eternal life. Each all is as comprehensive of its representative head. Paul's dealing with Adams federal headship. lets see if he will reply.
Cute idea, but the problem is that you have to add to scripture to get there. Here's your rewrite: Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men REPRESENTED IN ADAM to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men REPRESENTED IN CHRIST unto justification of life." Shall we rewrite whatever passages don't fit your doctrine? I Tim. 2:4-6 "Who will have all men to be saved REPRESENTED IN CHRIST, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all REPRESENTED IN CHRIST, to be testified in due time." Heb. 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man REPRESENTED IN CHRIST." Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth REPRESENTED IN CHRIST: for I am God, and there is none else." Isaiah 53:66 "All we REPRESENTED IN ADAM like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one REPRESENTED IN ADAM to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all REPRESENTED IN CHRIST." Titus 2:11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men REPRESENTED IN CHRIST" And this is just a small sample of verses. Wow, you have a lot of rewriting to do! Proverbs 30:6 "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
@@TruthLewiston “Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men REPRESENTED IN ADAM to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men REPRESENTED IN CHRIST unto justification of life." Right because any other way would be: everyone in Adam and now everyone is in Christ is righteous, how do you not see that? Plus the context is federal headship. So saying “cute idea” and then saying my interpretation and its context is faulty…. You therefore believe in universalism. I don’t have try to argue your mocking about me interpreting Romans 5:18 and the fore that means all these verses you listed have the same interpretation it’s about context which you don’t seem to understand. You never disproved my interpretation you just took other verses, and say well may as well use it here then. This is honestly childish and then you completely skipped all my other rebuttals.
@@TruthLewiston also wait to you reliaze other translations have different words that represent the same Greek and Hebrew text. But all you believe is KJVO and I’m not gonna try to debate with that arrogance.
@@JesseVarnon That's an illogical conclusion. The free gift is available to all men, but it is up to men to receive it or not. John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." And here are all those verses again without your additions to them. Please, just read and believe. Faith comes by hearing the word of God, not by hearing the Reformed nonsense. Praying for you. I Tim. 2:4-6 "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time." Heb. 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else." Isaiah 53:66 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." Titus 2:11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men" Rom. 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
@@TruthLewiston "That's an illogical conclusion. The free gift is available to all men, but it is up to men to receive it or not." Romans 5:18 would therefore mean that this "righteousness" done by Christ is given to "all" in your interpterion is "everyone" then Christ satisfied the wrath for from the Father for everyone and therefore no one can stand condemned, you are implying that this gift "righteousness and satisfied wrath" must be naturally accepted apart from divine intervention and mans incapacity to due what is spiritually pleasing to God. (Genesis 6:5; Genesis 8:21; Ecclesiastes 9:3; Jeremiah 17:9; Mark 7:21-23; John 3:19; Romans 8:7-8; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 4:17-19; Ephesians 5:8; Titus 1:15.) Your adding that this gift which must be received (I agree with that it must be received) comes before regeneration and is for all without exception. Regeneration precedes faith (Romans 8:14; 1 Corinthians 2:10-13; 1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 Corinthians 12:3; 2 Corinthians 3:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17-18; 1 Peter 1:1-2, Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18; Acts 13:48; Acts 16:14; Acts 18:27; Ephesians 2:8-9; Philippians 1:29; 2 Timothy 2:25-26, Romans 8:14; 1 Corinthians 2:10-13; 1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 Corinthians 12:3; 2 Corinthians 3:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17-18; 1 Peter 1:1-2. We disagree on the order of the how this gift and I say is for all without distinction is made, God regenerates you and then believe and accept the gift. (Ephesians 2:1-10) "Faith comes by hearing the word of God, not by hearing the Reformed nonsense." Praying for you." I agree that faith comes by hearing the word of God, its the means God uses to draw His elect to the ends He established. Faith is a gift of God not a result of mans works (Ephesians 2:8-9) I also prayed for you, I'm just merely disagreeing on interpretations. "1 Tim. 2:4-6 "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time." 1 Timothy 2:4 The key to this passage, again, is the context: 1 Timothy 2:1-6. The first appearance of the phrase “all men” comes at the end of 1 Timothy 2:1. The very next phrase of the sentence explains Paul’s meaning: “…for kings and all who are in authority.” Why would Paul have to given such instructions? First, if one takes “all men” in 1 Timothy 2:4 to mean “all men individually,” does it not follow that Christ of necessity must be mediator for all men as well? If one says, “Yes, Christ mediates for every single human being,” does it not follow that Christ fails as mediator every times a person negates his work by their all-powerful act of free will? One could hope that no biblical scholar would ever promote such an idea, for anyone familiar with the relationship between atonement, mediation, and intercession in the book of Hebrews knows well that to make such an assertion puts the entire argument of Hebrews 7-10 on its head. For the moment, we simply point out that it is far more consistent with biblical theology to recognize that Christ mediates in behalf of the elect and perfectly saves them than it is to assert that Christ mediates for all (but fails to save all). So its "all without distinction". "Heb. 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." Verse 10 is the support for verse 9: Christ tasted death for everyone "for it was fitting for him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings." In other words, immediately after saying that by the grace of God Christ tasted death for everyone, the writer explains that God's design in this suffering of Christ was to "bring many sons to glory." This means that the "everyone" of verse 9 probably refers to every one of the sons being led to glory in verse 10. In other words the design of God-the aim and purpose of God-in sending Christ to die was particularly to lead his children from sin and death and hell to glory. He had a special eye to his own elect children. It's exactly what the gospel of John says in 11:52-that Jesus would die to "gather together into one the children of God who are scattered abroad." These "children of God" that Christ died to gather are the "sons" that God is leading to glory through the death of Christ in Hebrews 2:10. "Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" I agree God commands all without exception to repent :) but God commanding does not mean mean we have the capacity to do all He commands. He commands us to be Holy and perfect as the Father is holy and perfect does that mean we have a capacity to be holy and perfect or an incapacity? Again repentance is something the Sprit grants. (Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18; Acts 13:48; Acts 16:14; Acts 18:27; Ephesians 2:8-9; Philippians 1:29; 2 Timothy 2:25-26.) "Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else." I also agree with that verse I believe God has a people under every nation and tongue. (all without distinction) "Isaiah 53:66 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." Again the context here's the full context: Who has believed what he has heard from us?[a] And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? 2 For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He was despised and rejected[b] by men, a man of sorrows[c] and acquainted with[d] grief;[e] and as one from whom men hide their faces[f] he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. 5 But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned-every one-to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. Verse 1 "who has believed" Verse 4 He has born "our griefs". This is the elect, those believing He bore their sin. Verse 6 the "All" is "all those who believed" not for thos who haven't believed. "Titus 2:11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men" The context makes the meaning very clear; "older men" (Tit 2:2), "older women" (Tit 2:3), "young women," (Tit 2:4) "husbands," (Tit 2:4, 5), "children" (Tit 2:4), "younger men" (Tit 2:6), "bondservants" (Tit 2:9) and "masters"(Tit 2:9) alike are all guilty before God, but from them all God gathers his people (Rev 5:9; 7:9). Therefore they should should live consecrated lives (Tit 2:12-13). Titus 2:14 confirms this meaning as Paul writes, "who gave himself for us to redeem us [a specific group] from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people ["a people," not all people] for his own possession who are zealous for good works." (all without distinction) "Rom. 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Right again I agree the whosoever refers to the elect seen in many other passages its the order election precedes salvation. Now did i manipulate the scriptures you gave in any way? Or did I show it context? I believe scripture interprets scripture.
This man burned a straw man of Calvinism. Romans 9:15-18 [15] For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” [16] So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. [17] For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” [18] So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. He won’t explain what this passage says. Also his case for Jesus dying and paying for everyone’s sins is illogical. If Jesus receives the penalty for everyone and if people don’t receive Jesus, they receive the penalty that was put on Jesus. But what penalty is left? How can this pastor say two men suffered for the one persons sins? You see Jesus suffered for their sins and if the person doesn’t believe he suffers too. That doesn’t make any sense.
Your latter point is like saying what penalty is left for those who didn't apply the Passover Lamb's blood? They will face the penalty of death because they did not have faith in the blood of the Lamb. This isn't hard. And as for Romans 9, we have many lessons on it. Here's one: ua-cam.com/video/sysigecl60A/v-deo.html
@@TruthLewiston "Your latter point is like saying what penalty is left for those who didn't apply the Passover Lamb's blood? They will face the penalty of death because they did not have faith in the blood of the Lamb. This isn't hard" That is not at all what I was referring to. The Passover lamb was a finite atonement for Gods chosen Israel, Jesus is the lamb and atonement for those whom the father gave Him. John 10:22-30 I and the Father Are One [22] At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter, [23] and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the colonnade of Solomon. [24] So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.” [25] Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, [26] but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. [27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. [28] I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. [29] My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. [30] I and the Father are one.” (ESV) So the objection still stand with the sacrifice of Jesus: If Jesus receives the penalty for everyone and if people don’t receive Jesus, they receive the penalty that was put on Jesus. But what penalty is left? How can this pastor say two men suffered for the one persons sins? You see Jesus suffered for their sins and if the person doesn’t believe he suffers too.
This is a very weak line of reasoning. You would do well to consider another path. Christ's blood purchases salvation for whoever chooses to receive it. It is like a reservation purchased at a hotel. The payment has been made whether someone chooses to receive the gift or not. Christ's blood creates a way for all men to escape. But if we neglect it, trodding under foot the blood of Christ, we will not escape. Hebrews 2:3 "How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;" Hebrews 10:29 "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?" I think all of this would be easier for you if you could forget all of the garbage you've learned in the reformed church. You've lost the simplicity of the gospel.
@@TruthLewiston "This is a very weak line of reasoning. You would do well to consider another path." Reformed theology holds to what's called Trinitarian Harmony in Atonement. (THA) Which states: The Father gave a certain people to Christ, Christ atoned and paid for those whom the Father gave Him, the Spirit applies and guarantees their redemption. Verses for the Father giving a certain people to the Son: John 17:6,John 17:9,John 17:24,John 6:37,John 6:9, John 10-28-29,Epesians 1:4-6, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14. Verses the Son atoning for theses certain people: Matthew 1:21; Matthew 20:28; Matthew 26:28; John 10:11; John 11:50-53; Acts 20:28; Romans 8:32-34; Ephesians 5:25-27; Hebrews 2:17; Hebrews 3:1; Hebrews 9:15; Hebrews 9:28; Revelation 5:9. Verses the Spirit saving effectually these certain people: Romans 1:6-7; Romans 8:30; Romans 9:23-24; 1 Corinthians 1:1-2; 1 Corinthians 1:9; 1 Corinthians 1:23-31; Galatians 1:15-16; Ephesians 4:4; 2 Timothy 1:9; Hebrews 9:15; Jude 1:1; 1 Peter 1:15; 1 Peter 2:9; 1 Peter 5:10; 2 Peter 1:3; Revelation 17:14. So no I don't need to change my idea and reasoning when it is clearly in the scripture. "Christ's blood purchases salvation for whoever chooses to receive it. It is like a reservation purchased at a hotel. The payment has been made whether someone chooses to receive the gift or not. Christ's blood creates a way for all men to escape. But if we neglect it, trodding under foot the blood of Christ, we will not escape." Again this is a weak view of atonement, Jesus never actually paid for anyone sins in your view. Because atonement means paid and guaranteed for not "possible general faceless atonement that's impersonal" I deny your idea that mans will is what determines Christ atonement to be effective or not. I also think your hotel idea is flawed, its rather put as debt one owes not a mere offer that doesn't pay off debt. Its rather better stated as "If I paid off your mortgage and you don't believe me then you have to pay your mortgage off" that's so illogical and unbiblical. Verses that teach Jesus actually saves and guarantees sins and trespasses are forgiven not mere "possible atonement": Matthew 1:21; Luke 19:10; Acts 5:31; Romans 3:24-25; Romans 5:8-9; Romans 5:10; 1 Corinthians 1:30; 2 Corinthians 5:18-19; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Galatians 1:3-4; Galatians 3:13; Ephesians 1:3-4; Ephesians 2:15-16; Ephesians 5:25-26; Philippians 1:29; Colossians 1:13-14; Colossians 1:21-22; 1 Timothy 1:15; Titus 2:14; Titus 3:5-6; Hebrews 9:12; Hebrews 9:14; Hebrews 13:12; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 Peter 3:18; 1 John 1:7. "Hebrews 2:3 "How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;" "Hebrews 10:29 "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?" I agree with these verses I do not see how this proves possible atonement that only is a effectual if the mere creature believes it. "think all of this would be easier for you if you could forget all of the garbage you've learned in the reformed church. You've lost the simplicity of the gospel." I have read the scriptures and the scriptures don't teach a nameless, faceless, general atonement that has the Father wanting to save not a certain people but everyone and the Son not saving a certain people but merely only those who "finalize" the work of Christ and the Spirit only saving some people. That is inconsistent and that is why I believe THA is the only right view that glorifies the triune God that's found in the scripture listed above.
That's why there is only a remnant that receive Gods effectual grace. Grace makes no sense in a free will doctrine. "Faith" doesn't earn Gods grace, salvific faith is the gift of Gods grace
@@ManassehJones Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
Faith, through repentance, are preached in all four of the gospels as a requirement for your salvation. John, Jesus, and all the Apostles told over and over again, "repent for the kingdom of GOD is at hand." Most Christians today don't believe this. Just say this simple prayer and believe aids manys path to hell.
This is an awesome way to show the demonic spirit behind Calvinism. It reminds me of how Adam and Eve came to a false conclusion that God planned to keep them from something better by withholding truth from them. The doctrine of Calvinism grieves me so much.
How can I make a choice if my heart is already inclined to do the opposite of faith unless God changes my heart first? Unless the Spirit sovereignly changes my heart from stone to flesh I will never be able to make that choice.
It's all about the power of the word of God, something Calvinists stopped believing in years ago. Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me." John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." I Pet. 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever."
Calvinism is not a prison; it is a godly, biblical and rational explanation of God's sovereignty and saving grace. What bothers many Christians is that it puts God far above sinful man.
This is a blatant misrepresentation of Reformed Theology and who God is. He makes the same mistake that most opponents of Reformed Theology makes which discounts God's absolute and all-knowing sovereignty and omniscience. If God is all knowing then He knows your choice before you do. That doesn't take away from His loving kindness one bit. You can't pick and choose the attributes of God according to what pleases you.
Knowing the future is much different than dictating the future. God did not force mankind to sin just as he does not force a man to molest a child. This ungodly choice is made by the freewill of man. Genesis 6:6 "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." Your theology is deformed. How have we misrepresented it?
Read 1Samuel 23. David ask God will Saul come down to Keilah. God said,” he will come.” David ask, “ will the men deliver me over to his hand?” God said, “ they will.” David left the city. Saul heard about it and didn’t come. The men of the city didn’t turn him over. All conditional
“For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.” 1 Thessalonians 2:13 KJV “and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.” 2 Thessalonians 2:10-14 KJV “as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.” 2 Peter 3:16-17 KJV It would appear that the Lord is true to His word in dealing with false teachers in regards to this site .
The opening analogy is spot on. Calvinists will of course say it’s wrong. They’ll throw out their old faithful: “you just don’t understand Calvinism!”. Either they don’t actually understand Calvinism, or they have a watered down and therefore incorrect view of Calvinism. If not this, then they are an unknowing victim or a willing participant of double think. Calvin himself wrestled with these inconsistencies but apparently couldn’t bring himself to admit he was wrong. Instead, he proclaimed these inconsistencies were true due to mystery.
I’m going to tell you a story. For the purposes of my story, I’m going to be Mrs. Fowler, Pastor Logan’s wife. One beautiful Sunday morning I invite a couple of children home after church to play in the Fowler garden. Sallie and Janie accept eagerly. Once there, I tell them my rules: you can eat any of the wholesome foods from any of the plants in my garden. Asparagus and spinach and English peas and kale. Eat to your heart’s content. But from the candy tree in the middle of the garden-licorice and taffy and lollypops and tootsie rolls and chocolate bars-you shall not eat. And if you dare, very bad things will happen to you. The little girls had great fun playing. They ran and skipped and jumped and climbed and danced. At last they were very tired and very hungry. They looked around them at the available food. Spinach? Ugh, they hated that. Kale? Even worse. Mushy peas? Are you kidding me? This is awful! But then Sallie took a glance toward the center of the garden. A huge tree with low lying branches. All the luscious candy they had ever enjoyed! Easy pickings! They went over and each selected several. They remembered what Mrs. Fowler had said, but they were HUNGRY. They took a bite. They took a lick. They bit and licked and bit and licked till they were all gone. Suddenly, Mrs. Fowler appeared, red eyes blazing! She ordered them out of the garden and let them know they would never be allowed to return. Not only that, but they would die young. They might live into their twenties and have a child or two. But then, they would die miserable deaths. And the same would happen to every single one of their miserable children. And their children’s children. And they’re children’s children’s children. The progeny of such wicked, naughty little children! The offspring of disobedience! Now, in this story, Mrs. Fowler is “God.” What would you call this God if you had to describe them? Evil? Unmerciful? Horrendous? Totally lacking in all compassion? Oh, and I have another story. This time Mrs. Fowler invited a bunch of Sunday Schoolers out to dinner at parishioners homes all over the city. Thirty of fourth places. She and her husband had trained a couple of dozen evangelists to go out to whichever home they wanted. They had tried to train more, but there just wasn’t enough volunteers. And some of those they did have weren’t the greatest teachers in the world…if you know what I mean. They might have trouble selling a fresh-off-the-grill juicy hamburger to a starving, homeless person. After the meal, each evangelist gave a gospel presentation. And many of the kids “walked forward” to give their lives to Christ at the homes where the talented evangelists taught. Fewer at the homes where the evangelists had less talent. Almost none at the homes were the teacher with little ability. And none, of course, at the dozen or so houses where no one showed up. All the children who didn’t walk forward were strapped to railroad tracks and run over. They only had themselves to blame. They heard the word and didn’t respond. (Well, of course, except for those who never heard. So sad about them. We need more missionaries!) So, now, what kind of a “God” would you characterize Mrs. R. Minnie Ann Fowler to be? Despicable? Unfair? Mean-spirited? Weak? Vengeful? You decide! Analogies are really good ways to twist the teachings of those who oppose you. No Calvinist would even begin to recognize the supposed god of Calvinism that Pastor Fowler depicted. In his story, Bobby and Joey were human…and so was “God.” And this is the problem with so much of Arminian thought. You anthropomorphize God. You cannot see that God is on a whole nother level altogether. A whole nother plane of existence. Calvinists ascribe to human beings just as much freedom of will as Arminians do. But they also ascribe to God perfect sovereignty over things. Kind of like an author has sovereignty over how characters act in a book they are writing. I’m pretty sure there are not many videos out there that denigrate Arminians with such vitriol. Most Calvinists look at you as our brothers and sisters in Christ. To be fair, many-if not most-Arminians return the favor. And then there are the haters. They have amended their Bibles to read: “Hate those who love you. Do evil unto those who treat you well.”
Christ used both analogy and satire, so we know they can be helpful when sharing or defending truth. Our analogy is based on mainstream Calvinist doctrine as clearly outlined in the Westminster Confession of Faith. If you disagree with the Westminster Confession you should stop calling yourself a Calvinist. 3:6 "The rest of mankind God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of his own will, whereby he extendeth or withholdeth mercy as he pleaseth, for the glory of his sovereign power over his creatures, to pass by, and to ordain them to dishonor and wrath for their sin, to the praise of his glorious justice." The above quote matches our analogy perfectly, but it does not match scripture which tells us all men can be saved. Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
@@themedialies6613 No, a sad teaching is to say the God brings babies in the world and ordains for them to be aborted and thrown in hell. That's what the Westminster Confession teaches. 10:3-4 "Elect infants, dying in infancy, are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit ... Others, not elected, ... cannot be saved"
@@TruthLewiston. No, sir, you are wrong. The Westminster Confession is but one confession of the Reformed community, and there is no compulsion to subscribe to it to be considered a Calvinist. There are also the Belgic Confession, the Heidelberg Catechism, the Canons of Dordt, and the 1689 London Baptist Confession. And here’s what one Calvinist says about the “elect infants” line: “The idea of ‘elect infants’ neither asserts nor denies that all infants dying in infancy are saved. Rather it tacitly concludes that at least some infants are redeemed.” So it says absolutely NOTHING as to whether…or not…there are any infants condemned to hell. It merely states that at least some are redeemed. Are all babies saved under Arminianism? I’m guessing there are a variety of answers to that. We simply don’t know. Scripture doesn’t tell us. Why should we quibble over this? Will not the Creator of all the world do what is right? Your heart is clearly hardened, and you will not listen to me. Let me assure you that you know next to nothing about Calvinism as it is actually practiced. You are leading your followers astray. You purport to be a teacher, and Scripture says that you will be judged accordingly. I strenuously urge you to quit badmouthing your brothers and sisters in Christ in such an unjust manner. May God bless you, my friend.
@@ericcarlson9885this was well said Eric. This is a delicate subject on either side of the camp. (Infants) And the rest you said there was spot on. God Bless you brother.
@@tbuitendyk---- I'm NOT calvinist in any way shape or form BUT notice your verse you gave " which were born NOT of the will of the flesh " Our free will ONLY takes us to a man made cult. When we all get together in heaven we WILL KNOW HE chose each one that accepted HIM as Saviour
There is no will or work of the flesh required to receive a free gift. You just hear of the gift in scripture, hearing brings faith, hearing quickens your heart (makes it alive), and then you simply receive the free gift. Calvinists totally deny the power of God's word to make dead hearts come alive. 1 Peter 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
@@TruthLewistonEphesians 2:8-9 Destroys your whole Philosophy Nonsense. Faith doesnt come from Yourself. Peter is the perfect example: " Flesh and blood doesnt revealed that to you but my father in Heaven". John 17:19. You are blasphemous against The God of the bible.
@@DieAbsoluteWahrheit You don't know where faith comes from? Let me help you. Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Eph. 2:8-9 teaches that salvation is a gift. Faith isn't the gift. It is the requirement. Jesus wasn't a Calvinist. He rebuked people for not having faith. Didn't he realize that he had to gift it to them first? That's nonsense. Mark 4:40 "...how is it that ye have no faith?"
@@TruthLewiston Your exegesis of Ephesians 2:8-9 shows me how you treat the bible. Grace AND faith is meant by the conditional sentence. You are twisting the scripture
The "reformists" are frustrating the grace of God. It's another gospel. Your point about them negating the power of God's Word to quicken is right on. I see that most Christians today do not believe in the inerrancy of scripture which would certainly account for this doubt of trusting the truth of Romans 10:17. Thank you for posting this important lesson.
Here are some scriptures to ponder when it comes to eternal security. Scripture against Eternal security Matthew 18:27-35 27Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. 28But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. 29And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 30And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. 31So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. 32Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? 34And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. Acts 27:31 abide in the ship 2 Timothy 2:12 deny us Philippians 2:12 work out salvation Hebrews 10:26,27 sin deliberately Romans 11:20-24 cut off, unbelief James 1:27. Polluted by world Mark 9:43-48 foot, hand, eye 2 Timothy 4:7 kept the faith Hebrews 3:14 if we hold steadfast Colossians 1:22,23 if you continue John 8:31,32 if you hold Matthew 6:15. Forgive others Matthew 18:29-35 unforgiveness 2 Peter 1:10,11. Election sure 2 Cor. 3:14,16 The veil is taken away John 20:27 unbelieving, believing 1 Corinthians 15:2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached. Hebrews 12:15 Be careful that no one falls short of the grace of God. 1 Tomothy 4:1-5 Depart from the faith. James 1:12. Endure temptation. HEBREWS 3:12-14 12Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. 13But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; 1 Corinthians 10:1-12 1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. 6Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. 7Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. 8Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 9Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. 10Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. 11Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
If someone believe it's "their" faith the keeps someone "in" Christ, they will be greatly awakened when they stand before the Lord. "Grace that kept me safe this far....and grace that'll bring me home." Trusting in your Self is NOT the salvific faith of Christ. Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh 👉I live by the faith ....OF ....the Son of God👈, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
the thing about “joey”, is while he was being called, he never responded. “many are called but few are chosen” matthew 22:14 “joey” himself never called out to be saved. ”Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done.“ Romans 1:28
How many infants do you know who are capable of responding to the gospel? They're still filling their diapers, man. God calls to people in full knowledge that they cannot respond? That's sadistic. That's stupidity. That's not holy.
@@TruthLewiston I'm not interested in arguing with anyone online, with all due respect. I was just stating in my comment that the Reformed Theology and Calvinistic views of God, man, justice, grace, and the gospel were extremely misrepresented by this brother as a whole. Maybe you disagree, but I believe it's ok to state my belief about this, without having to provide a defense for what I believe... at least on this kind of platform. I don't think it would be fruitful for any of us. I'm not wimping out here, by any means. I just think that this platform allows more room for strife, than for peace, and I'm more interested in peace among all my brothers in Christ, even though we may have some strong disagreements. I simply wanted to state that the beliefs of your brothers who are Reformed and/or Calvinistic (they are two different things, not one and the same thing) were very much misrepresented by this brother who preached this sermon. None of the preachers who were mentioned by name near the beginning of this sermon believe or teach what this brother claims they believe or teach. If you disagree with that, well, I'm not going to argue with you about it. God bless you. I wish you the best.
@@truthseeker5698perhaps your understanding is limited by a set of principles you refuse to break. No one is forcing anyone in reformed circles, not even by God. It may be true that your Jesus may indeed be a very different person from Christ the Lord.
Who is I and II Peter addressed to? To God's Elect......so God desires that none of the Elect should perish...and they won't because God saves ALL the Elect sheep; not one more and not one less...ALL of them. If what you believe is true and God really wants to save everyone; then you should spend 15 hours a day; every day going door to door preaching the Gospel...why do anything else? Because its not true. Jesus said, "I will build MY CHURCH!" How does God build the Church? Peter said, "Youre the Christ, the Son of the Living God!" and Jesus responded; "Blessed are you Peter because flesh and blood did not reveal that you, but it was revealed to you by My Father who is in heaven." God reveals who Jesus is only to the Elect....not everyone. Man has no free will to respond to the Gospel. He is dead in his sins. If salvation worked the way you think it does then noone would get saved...because everyone is dead UNTIL GOD regenerates us! Your free will Arminian view has ZERO chance of being true. It does not even pass the common sense test. But they hated what you call Reformed Theology in the 1st Century too....See John 6:64-66....when Jesus taught it many of His disciples no longer followed Him. So nothing new here.
No...people go to hell because of their sins.....NOT because they don't believe in the Gospel. God didn't have to die for anyone. God would have been completely just if He let everyone go to hell because thats what our sins deserve. God chose to have mercy on some; the Elect. Thats why Peter says to make sure your calling and election are sure.....2Pe 1:10 Therefore, brothers, rather be diligent to make sure of your calling and election; for doing these things, you will not ever fall.
Let me ask you a question.....did Jesus die for Hitlers sins on the cross? So whose sins is Hitler dying for now in hell? Thats why unlimited atonement makes zero sense....because that would be double jeopardy. Jesus only died for the Elect's sins on the cross....not everyones sins. Matthew 1:21 "He shall save His people from their sins." Not only that...It is truly absurd to believe that ALMIGHTY GOD wanted to save everyone and yet devised a plan where only a few would get saved....thats the nonsense you believe. Whereas I believe Almighty God saves EVERYONE that HE wanted to save; the Elect...All the Elect get saved; not one more and not one less!
You've watched too many reformed videos, and read your Bible too little. 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." Hitler is in hell because he rejected the free gift of salvation. Acts 7:51 "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye." The gift of salvation is accepted by faith and faith comes by reading the Bible. You should try that. Watch the video again and then watch this: ua-cam.com/video/pjBsZBdTSnM/v-deo.html John 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me." Psalm 119:93 "I will never forget thy precepts: for with them thou hast quickened me." Psalm 119:154 "Plead my cause, and deliver me: quicken me according to thy word." Psalm 119:156 "Great are thy tender mercies, O Lord: quicken me according to thy judgments." John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Elect is never referred ones to Salvation, in the Bible it is to service and blessings, in the book of Peter he is talking about his people the Jews. Contexts and calvinism have never gone together.
@@daviddriedger3244 That is just stupid nonsense....2 Peter 1:10 'Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election." Paul says in I Corinthians 3 times! That GOD chose the weak things, and the despised things and the things that are not! What Bible are you reading from? You have made up your own Bible...sad and pathetic....PLEASE READ!! I Cor 1:26-31 "Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things-and the things that are not-to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God-that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”
This has to be the worst explanation of reformed theology I have ever heard. It’s beyond ridiculous. All this sermon proves is this pastor is not educated. Ask yourselves this question. Are you saved because of a smart decision you made of your own free will. Or because God saved you. His idea of Gods sovereignty is ridiculous. Comparing God to mere man. Read your whole Bible friends. God doesn’t shy away from his Sovereignty. He hardens Pharos heart? Why? The free gift is definitely available to all. The problem is in your free will, you will NEVER choose Christ. In John it says NO MAN can come to Jesus unless the father draws him. Does he draw every human who ever lived? Did he draw hitler? If he did, then did God fail? Could have Jesus went to the cross and man in his free will not one single person accept his gift. Was God in heaven hoping someone would get saved? No! Jesus said he came for HIS sheep.
You don't know the Bible. All men can and are commanded to believe. It is our free will that gets in the way. John 1:9 "That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." John 12:32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" 2 Pet. 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." The Bible is what builds faith. Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me." Learn more here: ua-cam.com/video/sysigecl60A/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Yes I AM saved because of a decision I made. Of course God made the first move by deciding to give me the offer. HOWEVER are YOU saved? How do you KNOW? Calvinism says God chooses based on his good pleasure. So can you tell me exactly what pleasure he found in you? You cannot know if youre saved because you have no idea on what basis God chooses. There are 3 choices for you 1) He chooses based on works (you and I both reject that I assume) 2) He draws names for a hat 3) He saves those who place their faith in him willingly So you see, even if calvinism were true, there is still a condition. God has a reason for everything he does, so what is his reason for choosing you? If you dont know the answer, you cant know youre saved. You could also be suffering from "evanescent grace" the calvinist notion that God tricks people into believing theyre saved, only to fond in the end they arent. That is why calvinism is the same as arminianism, for both say that if you dont persevere til the end youre lost, and neither can know if theyre saved. Both John Piper and John MacArthur have stated they will not know for sure until they die. The "sheep" you refer to were not the "elect" as youre thinking. They are those who had already believed the Father and had faith, so they were ready to accepth that Jesus was the messiah. that is why Jesus said "my sheep hear my voice" because those who had already believed God (the Father) would naturally believe the Son. None of the "sheep" were forced or predestined to believe. they believed willingly, Just as Cornelius did
I used to feel and think the same way. I no longer even care whether it's true, or not. What I care about is that He saved me, He redeemed me, and He changed me. I want to live the remainder of my life which I had squandered, for Him. By His grace, I am no longer the rebellious, God-hating monster that I used to be. I don't even care whether I had a say in my salvation, or not. I'm just thankful that I am saved, and that I am no longer God's enemy and under God's wrath.
@@TruthLewiston Of course not. I don't know who will receive the message and who will reject it. That isn't in my power any more than it is to force the decision onto them. Jesus told us to make disciples of all men and to take this Gospel to all the ends of the earth. What people do with the message is up to them, and ultimately, God already knows who will accept and who will reject the message, and I am okay with not having that knowledge, because I am not called to be omniscient. I'm called to be yielded, trusting, and obedient.
I appreciate your story explaining how all things cannot be ordained by God and yet He escapes all blame. This is absolutely true. One can know beyond a shadow of any doubt that God does not save people by arbitrarily picking a handful while purposely damning the vast majority of men, women and children. A simple short illustration presented to me by a reformed brother is the proof. He painted a picture of a ship that sunk and a huge boat passing by that had room to hold everyone and yet only picked up a few people while allowing the rest to perish. In any court of law that has the least amount of justice the captain of the boat would be found guilty of murder. Yet the reformed person viewed this as if God is innocent because he did not need to rescue anyone. This is the trouble with making God like a man. God's justice is so far above our sense of justice. Men commit euthanasia thinking the ends justifies the means all the time but scripture condemns murder. It is scripture that let's us understand how God saves and scripture clearly says that it is God's will that none should perish. It is scripture that teaches us the reason why God does not want any to perish. Namely love. For God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son to save whosoever repents. Thus we can say without a shadow of a doubt God does not save men this way of a special election. If God did save this way He would be obligated to save all men because God is perfect and no injustice can be found in Him. This is hard proof that God does not save in this fashion regardless of how good a con man your professor of theology is to convince you otherwise. I do take issue that with your eternal security position on the same grounds as you stand against calvinism. You take one obscure word in scripture, like the calvinist looks at election, and make it into a guarantee while glossing over all the clear warning of finishing the race. Any person just reading scripture in context alone without being taught certain lines of thinking would come to the conclusion that a believer in Christ can make a willful decision to apostasize. The scripture plainly says this and warns us over and over on almost every page if one can give up on always sticking with systematic theology of certain denominations and just be a plain Christian. All of this man interjecting his line of thinking into scripture is not healthy and leads to error. God does not take away our free will once we are saved. Just as man does not lose his salvation on a daily basis. Man does have the ability to apostasize and the proof is that it happens all the time. Thus the warnings in scripture are real warnings and God is not a liar. To pretend that all these warning are not real is like pretending God chosing not to save a helpless person does not incriminate Him. It is the same blindness that arises from men meddling with scripture.
Great sermon. (I wish you could cut out the background noise) I went to a large Baptist church and TULIP never came from the pulpit but it was taught by one Sunday school teacher and only Calvinistic books were in the Men's Bible study. The average non-Calvinist Baptist did even know that they were being indoctrinated with false teaching.
@@TruthLewiston I think J.I. Packer speaks quite well to the supposed contradiction of God’s sovereignty and man’s responsibility: “What is true is that all Christians believe in divine sovereignty, but some are not aware that they do, and mistakenly imagine and insist that they reject it. What causes this odd state of affairs? The root cause is the same as in most cases of error in the church-the intruding of rationalistic speculations, the passion for systematic consistency, *a reluctance to recognize the existence of mystery and to let God be wiser than men*, and a consequent subjecting of scripture to the demands of human logic. People see that the Bible teaches man’s responsibility for his actions; they do not see how this is consistent with the sovereign leadership of God over those actions. *They are not content to let the two truths live side-by-side*, as they do in the Scriptures, but jump to the conclusion that, in order to uphold the biblical truth of human responsibility, they are bound to reject the equally biblical and equally true doctrine of divine sovereignty, and to explain away the great number of text that teach it.” -J.I. Packer Evangelism and the Sovereignty of God There is some mystery to how God saves men. Anyone humbly studying scripture can come to that conclusion. Yes, man is responsible for his actions. Yes, God is sovereign over salvation. Our sinful pride can puff us up and make us think we have all the correct answers and hold the only right position. Instead of mocking, denigrating, and anathematizing an orthodox Christian position, I would encourage you to sit down with some Reformed or Calvinist pastors and have some deep conversations. Unite with them in your passion to share the Gospel, rather than dividing and making enemies. My two cents brother
The motto of the Reformed crowd is Sola Scriptura, scripture alone. But as you point out that is not what they go by. They treat the reformers as THE church fathers when they are far from it. Like 1500 years from it.
My Brother, and Apostle, Paul, was the firstfruits of the predestined and elect, chosen in Christ before the foundations of the world, by the will and grace of God alone. There's no "Calvinists" in heaven, just Elect sons of God.
The Reformed idea of Predestination is false. ROMANS 8:22-25 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the *firstfruits of the Spirit,* even we ourselves groan within ourselves, *waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.* 24For we are saved by *hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?* 25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we *with patience wait for it.* A Born Again Christian receives the gift of salvation by believing the gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4. He is SEALED with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. We have the FIRSTFRUITS of the Spirit. We are bought with a price and are a possession of God.(Acts 20:28, Ephesians 1:14) We are saved by Grace through Faith, YET here we are saved by HOPE in verse 24. We are Justified, but we are not Glorified...yet. EPHESIANS 1:4-5 According as he hath chosen us in him *before the foundation of the world,* that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5Having *predestinated us unto the adoption of children* by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, I did not exist before the foundation of the world, but Jesus Christ did. He hath chosen us in Him (before the foundation of the world). This verse is another proof of Jesus Christ's always existing. We are PREDESTINED to be ADOPTED. When are we adopted? At Justification? No, at Glorification. (Romans 8:23) No sin can enter Heaven, and Paul explains How we are to be changed in 1 Cor. 15:48-53: As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49And as we have borne the *image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.* 50Now this I say, brethren, *that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.* 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. *53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.* To Inherit the kingdom a Christian cannot turn from sin, do works or do anything of his own power to change his corrupt flesh. God Himself changes the Christian from a creature with TWO NATURES into a glorified saint. Romans 8:29-32 For whom he did *foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,* that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30Moreover whom *he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified:* *and whom he justified, them he also glorified.* 31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also *freely give us all things?* Foreknown>Predestined>Conformed to the Image. Called>Justified>PREDSTINED>GLORIFIED. Therefore FREELY given ALL Things. Notice the absence of sanctification here. What Known/foreknown means: GALATIANS 4:9 *But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God,* how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? verse 8:8 *Howbeit then, when ye knew not God,* ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. God "knew" you AFTER your Justification. A Christian "knows" God, and God "knows" a Christian. IF a man chooses to trust in Jesus Christs' death, burial and resurrection for their sins he is Justified. God foreknows you NOW, and you are PREDESTINATED to be conformed to the image of His Son. Who God Justifies He WILL GLORIFY. Your sanctification CANNOT save you or keep you saved: GALATIANS 3:1-4 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? *3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?* *4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.* To think you can be conformed to the Image of Christ by the works of the flesh is heresy. Paul states that in the flesh dwells no good thing. (Romans Ch. 7) How can a Christian with sinful flesh be conformed to Jesus Christ? HE CANNOT, even if he is saved. The First nature of the Saved Christian: 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. v24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? verse 25: So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; *but with the flesh the law of sin.* The Second Nature: 1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his *seed remaineth in him:* and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Romans 7:17 *Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.* verses 22,23 For I delight in the law of God after the *inward man:* But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the *law of sin which is in my members.* verse 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. *So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God;* but with the flesh the law of sin. COLOSSIANS 2:10-12 *And ye are complete in him,* which is the head of all principality and power: 11In whom also ye are circumcised with the *circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:* 12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the *operation of God,* who hath raised him from the dead. God puts off the sins of your flesh in a CIRCUMCISION made without hands. Your flesh cannot corrupt your soul and spirit. This "operation" is done by God, not by a Christians attempt at sanctification. Works cannot save you. (Romans 4:4-5) Or keep you saved. (Galatians 3:1-4) You are Predestined (IF you are Justified, by your faith in the gospel) to be GLORIFIED.
Genesis 6:6 "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." I think God might be changing his mind about creating you as well... You've used your free will to disappoint him one too many times.
Reformed Theology in general does not say that God purposly sends certain people to either heaven or hell. Notice the term in this following verse that God foreknew who would submit to Him this week would inherit this salvation. Romans 8:29-30 (ESV) 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he The way you are presenting this entire theology is false in itself. And you may think the way you are describing, but definitely not all do. It may be your opinion but it's not all factual.
Westminster Confession of Faith 3:3. "By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and angels are predestinated unto everlasting life; and others foreordained to everlasting death."
@@TruthLewiston “Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, ‘My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’; Calling a bird of prey from the east, The man of My purpose from a far country. Truly I have spoken; truly I will bring it to pass. I have planned it, surely I will do it.” Isaiah 46:9-11 NASB1995
Amen. Great passage. Now reconcile it with facts like God repents (changes his mind based on the actions of man), pleads for all men to repent, and commands all men to repent. The only way to reconcile these things is that God 's good pleasure was to give mankind a freewill. Jonah 3:10 "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not." 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
@@Dan-qh2fv I believe exactly what the Bible says. God has predetermined responses to the choices of mankind. If Nineveh does not repent, he will judge it. If mankind does not repent, he will judge it. If repentance occurs, then he won't. The very fact that there are two possible outcomes is proof of a freewill. The reformed have absolutely no answer for this. Jonah 3:10 "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not." 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." Now....hear this...; that verse was spoken to the Jews of Peter's Day; not to the Gentile world where the Apostle Paul was commissioned to PREACH and to EVANGELIZE / proselytize!!
We need to focus on the gospels, particularly jesus teachings. Jesus says you will be able to discern by thir fruit. A good one will not tolerate the other kind. Reformed or whatever denomination. No teacher is above the master, and the true sheep listens to jesus voice. Let's focus on the gospel of God news and salvation, its the only way, the truth and life through jesus to the father. Congregants tend to trust their pastor/elders, doesn't matter what form of theologian stance. We need preaching on jesus word of teaching to dicern the spirit of truth.
Without the New birth from God,no one would turn to Christ. This man calls this truth,ABSURD!. Spiritually dead men cannot accept spiritual gifts,only those made born again are given the gift of faith.
You and James White are very confused. The Bible says the exact opposite in I Peter 1:23. Being born again is not the requirement for faith. Faith is the requirement to be born again. And how do we get faith? By hearing God's word! Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." 1 Peter 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."
@@TruthLewiston Jesus's words are Spirit and life,it's the Word that brings the new birth to God's unregenerate sheep and regenerates them while they are yet dead in sin.Eph 2:4-5,it's by GRACE that we are saved.
@@TruthLewiston 1 Peter 1:23 and Romans 10:17 are the means to Gods ends to the elect. Faith is a gift given by God and not a result of mans works. (Ephesians 2:8-9) You clearly don't know what the true doctrines of grace teach. That's why you had to burn a strawman with the train analogy. An Elder at my church sent me this to disprove Calvinism and it back fired because He realized that's not what Calvinism teaches.
Yep, that’s Calvinist. Everyone is born with an invisible tattoo on their soul. DAMNED or SAVED. From before the foundation of the world. Heartbreaking
Why are these sites so obsessed with calvin? I don't have any care about calvin and I don't know where he is now. However, scripture tells me that I was chosen to salvation. Scripture teaches our total depravity and our rebellion against God and HIS absolute sovereignty. You cannot read the Word and not see that God is and WILL be absolutely sovereign
The scripture doesn't say you were chosen to salvation. It says believers were chosen for salvation. God chose those who ARE in him. God did not choose some TO BE in him. Eph. 1:4 "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"
@@TruthLewiston I was chosen to salvation because I am a believer. As a preacher you need to quit obsessing over calvin and bow to God's Word. If you are saved -- God chose you
@@Over-for-now If you believe you are part of the chosen because you believed, you believe in conditional election! You are not a Calvinist at all. Congratulations. The requirement to be part of the chosen group (believers) is to believe! That's exactly what the Bible teaches: John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
@@Over-for-now My part was to use my free will to receive the free gift of salvation through faith. God did the saving. I did the believing. This isn't hard. John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
@@TruthLewiston Well well well, you FINALLY figured out that truth that lam NOT a calvinist and NEVER claimed to be. I have been saved since the early 50s and been sealed by that Holy Spirit of promise
A few years ago, my father in law passed away at the age of 99. For several days before his death, he repeated the phrase "Now to our God and Father be glory forever and ever. Amen". The night he died, he went to sleep and the following morning, he was gone peacefully. Everybody who knew him thanked and glorified our Lord for such a blessing of how He took his life away. But, almost at the same period of time, a two year old boy was hit by accident by his own father while taking his car out of the garage. The little child died there. Both parents were christians, loved God and their beloved precious son. This was terrible, devastating. The cry of this couple was heard almost in the whole neighborhood. Nobody we knew of thanked or glorified God for this death. Many questions could come up to our minds about these two deaths. Did God took both lives away? Why one was so joyful and the other so sad? Why an eternal loving God could do such an awful thing to this boy and his loving parents? Does God has the control of every life and of all? Were these two deaths part of the eternal plan and will of God? Were these a result of a person's free will, luck or God's determination? In our very narrow minds, we are not capable to understand this. Maybe we have a very limited knowledge of God's goodness and love, especially under things we don't like. For sure, these two deaths we're under God's control, God's mercy and God's love. Maybe, and just maybe, we have given free will a much higher value that it should have. Is God in control or we are?
Death came because of sin. But sin came because of man, not because of God. What if the father in your story first molested and then murdered the two-year-old. Would you say God caused this to happen? That's absurd. It was man's free will. Reformed Calvinism teaches this (Westminster Confession 3.1): "God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass..."
God allows certain things to happen because of the consequences of sin and the fall of Adam. It's not His fault, but man's sin nature. This is His permissive will. Man can not save himself. Luke 18:26-27
Even if the couple that had a 2 year old was christian, I would not change the fact that whoever was responsible to take care of the 2 year old was not attentive, one could argued that it was Gods will, but what it was not Gods will, but a human error. We want to blame God for all the bad that happens in the world. But that is the point of moral responsibility. If I go a murder someone randomly, was that Gods fault or my fault ? Someone might argue that God should have stopped me. But if he did, He will have to stopped all other wrong doings at once. And the bible says that it not going to happens until judgement day.
I agree, calvinism is a false gospel, if calvinism were true then you would have god decreeing before creation that Israel would sacrifice their babies in fire to Baal, then god would punish them for doing that, because he never mentioned it to them or commanded them to do it, in fact it didn't even enter his mind, even though he did ordain that they would do it before creation. And on top of that the calvinist god doesn't give you any say in the matter on whether or not you want to be with him in eternity, he essentially casts a love spell on certain people to make them love him, which isn't actually love, I'm sure a calvinist wouldn't approve of my actions if I told them I saw a good looking woman that I wanted to marry, so I cast a love spell on her to make her love me. And of course they will defend the actions of their god, but they're only defending his actions because they're under the love spell, because remember they never wanted him to begin with.
It is good to see Godly men steelmaning and not starwmaning this doctrine that makes God the one that causes all evil, then punishes them eternal when they can't repent
Not all people in reformed churches believe how shallow you are presenting them to be that's like saying all Baptists believe absolutely the same about once saved always saved or pre trib by the way those terminologies are not found free will can be skewed, and all those preachers that you mentioned don't believe exactly the same as well on certain doctrines but yes there are some people who have a skewed version of Grace but we must understand God can do whatever He wants to.
@@TruthLewistonI never heard of Westminster confession of until I looked it up but I believe what the Bible says that God can give someone over to a debased mind if He wants and he hardens who He wills but ! Listen to me I personally I believe that God prepared those vessels of destruction as an example for us (before) Christ came to die for all who believe, I believe those who He hardens now after Christ died on the cross deservingly get hardened because of His foreknowledge.
@jumpingjpeg4952 Why does God harden their hearts during their lives? It's because they had a chance to believe but rejected it. If they were not elected as the Calvinists say, and are completely dead, why would God need to harden their hearts? This too contradicts Calvinism.
@@DieAbsoluteWahrheit Total depravity is not a bad phrase (though it isn't a Bible term). But what you mean is, "total inability" to receive the free gift of salvation that is available to all. That's absurdity. Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
Good grief. That was a tragic and broken misunderstanding of Reformed Theology. Such straw man arguments only strengthen the faith of a reformed person in their understanding of scripture’s clarity on how some are chosen, called, predestined, drawn etc, by God and some are not. One of the incredible things about God’s wonderful grace, mercy and love is in the fact that he saves any at all!! None of us deserve salvation. NONE. People miss this constantly. They think too highly of their goodness, too little of the deep significance of their sin, and completely miss the great holiness of God in doing so. You were a corpse before you were saved. You could not choose God anymore than a corpse could reanimate itself. Moreover, your/our sin nature preempts any human desire to seek after God anyway. Even if your spiritual corpse could reach out for God, our sin nature precludes our desire to, absent God’s calling and drawing of us to Him. You compliment yourself too much to think you chose God of your own will. If you are in Christ, it is because God has drawn you to Himself (read John 6, especially the second half). It would seem this man’s animosity toward reformed theology framed his entire lack of objectivity toward it. He built a straw man, then proceeded to argue against it. 😢 Please reconsider the predestination language in John 6, Romans 8 & 9, and Ephesians 1, to name a few, but honestly it is throughout the entirety of scripture.
Ya'll keep saying it's a strawman but you don't point out a single evidence of this. And if one reads the Westminster Confession of the Faith, they will see the analogy is spot on. We have already addressed the predestination language. It is speaking of corporate election. God elected all of those "in him." He chose a group -- believers. And you, like all Calvinists, do not appreciate the value of the Bible. It is what quickens hearts (makes them alive) and gives faith. This is why every "elect" person you have ever met was someone exposed to the Bible. It isn't a coincidence. God commands and wants all men everywhere to repent. Only a maniacal villain would command someone to do something they could not do. This is not the nature of God as shown in the Bible. Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" 2 Pet. 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." Yes, all men are dead in trespasses and sins before they're saved (Eph. 2:1), however, the word of God has the power to breathe life into any soul that is willing to seek God. The Bible has the power to make alive. Calvinists deny this. Note: "quicken" means to make alive. John 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me." Psalm 119:93 "I will never forget thy precepts: for with them thou hast quickened me." Psalm 119:154 "Plead my cause, and deliver me: quicken me according to thy word." Psalm 119:156 "Great are thy tender mercies, O Lord: quicken me according to thy judgments." John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." I Pet. 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever." 2 Tim. 3:15 "And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus." 1 Cor. 1:18-21 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." Heb. 4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."
The Reformation was GOD's work. Now all comes against it. Decisional Regeneration started in 1800 with Charles Finney. Before that all preaching was reformed. Like Charles Spurgeon. Millions came to faith in Christ. His preaching was for lost and fallen humanity. Never Lost is Never Saved.
@toniespastafresca That says absolutely nothing. Do you not think that every single theologian and exegete and whatever thinks absolutely the same about their own views whether reformed or otherwise? The quoted statement is empty of meaning, meaning that only the view of me and those like me is correct. It is as empty as saying one is a biblicist. That seems like the Spurgeon quote that Calvinists throw around like it’s conclusive without stopping to consider that Calvinists are a small minority (10-15% depending on where you look) of a Christianity that has a variety of views.
Who all did he die for in this verse? What does the word "all" mean here? Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
@TruthLewiston He died For not only Jews but Gentiles too,but not all Jews and Gentiles, only the Elect Jews and Gentiles. When you take all the salvation verses together, you find that Jesus died for MANY of all men.
@@TruthLewiston Simply put, all men represented in Adam are condemned. Likewise, all men represented in Christ are justified. All those in Adam will be condemned. All those in Christ will be granted eternal life. Each all is as comprehensive of its representative head. You may also want to distinguish, as many of the reformed do, between the sufficiency of the atonement and the efficacy of it. Christ's death was abundantly sufficient to expiate the sin of every member of Adam's posterity. Because of this, those who perish do so by their own fault since they rejected Christ offered in the Gospel. The atonement is limited by its decreed design and the rejection of it through unbelief as that decree works out in time, not by its worth.
“What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?” Romans 9:14-24 NKJV Could I get your thoughts??
Imagine trying to explain the works of God by using a silly human analogy. What a small view of God. Romans 11:33-36. (I was predestined to type this :) )
No, the analogy explains reformed theology. The Bible explains God, and we quote plenty of it. Including this verse. Please tell me, what does all mean in it? Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
Calvinism is the Gospel. If you have an issue with calvinism you have an issue with the Gospel. Faith is A Gift of God. Ephesians 2:8-9 Why doesnt everybody believe in Jesus Christ? You have No answer
@@DieAbsoluteWahrheit That's terrible exegesis. Salvation by grace is the gift. Faith is the requirement. Think about it... Jesus Christ's earthly ministry is full of examples of him rebuking little faith and marveling at much faith. I guess he didn't get the memo that God (He) gave them the faith in the first place)? The truth is, faith comes by hearing the word of God. Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." This is how anyone can be saved.
Skip 0:00 - 6:30, unrelated story telling. After 6:30 The speaker goes into his point. From what I am gathering is that he is challenging “Predestination”. His argumentation starts with an emotional plead for 3 minutes without Biblical basis e.g. without opening the Bible. Although, he promised that he would use the Bible later. After 10 minutes of Prologue, still no Bible verses. He still uses emotional triggering words such as “maniacal God of theirs [Reformed Theologians]” 13:38 From this point, he started opening the Bible with 2 Peter 3:9
If I was this Pastor, I would outline how Reformed Theologians defend this doctrine of Predetermination and Predestination [and any other doctrine that needs to be challenged]. Then attack each scriptural foundation with other scriptures to counter it, if they are even available. Moreover, personally I would rather approach for example a Dr. Baucham first and reason with him with my rebuttal/research before going out to the public like this. However, and again, this is just me, this is my personality.
@@TruthLewiston Please control your tongue. We are all under the same God. It is our understanding and what we each accept as Truth that are different and separate us. Therefore, please do not put our God’s name in vain or you will be paying for it later.
What does the word "all" mean in this verse? Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
Skip 0:00 - 6:30, unrelated story telling. After 6:30 The speaker goes into his point. From what I am gathering is that he is challenging “Predestination”. His argumentation starts with an emotional plead for 3 minutes without Biblical basis e.g. without opening the Bible. Although, he promised that he would use the Bible later. After 10 minutes of Prologue, still no Bible verses. He still uses emotional triggering words such as “maniacal God of theirs [Reformed Theologians]” 13:38 From this point, he started opening the Bible with 2 Peter 3:9
What would have been an honest thing for this pastor to do was after reading the Westminster Confession on God’s eternal decree, he would steel man their view by quoting the scripture passages they use to defend it. Instead, he defines their view wrongly then reads passages that seem to argue against the straw man he created. Quite dishonest.
@@TruthLewiston Firstly let me say that I agree with much of what you say but the things that I disagree with are ( from having viewed the first half) 1) concerning animals ... the original language of scripture tells that animals are Nephesh (which means living soul) and that they have spirits ( Ruach) and 2) I am convinced that man's will doesn't trump the will of our Heavenly Father whose love is over all of His creation and who is all wise, all powerful and who is LOVE.
@@TheHumbuckerboy Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Here's a quick response: (1) Mankind was created in the image of God, animals were not (Gen. 1:27). This is not talking about the physical image of God as God is a spirit (John 4:24). Therefore, the image of God must have more to do with a freewill soul that lives forever as covered in the video. (2) God's will does trump our will. And it just so happens that God created mankind with a freewill and decided that all those who believe in Christ will have eternal life, and those who reject Christ will face eternal damnation. The rules were made by God, and now the decision is ours. The second half of the video covers this in more detail. 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Calvin went back to the doctrines of the early church like Chrysostom not just Augustine. Against the Heresies of the Pope church, not against Arminius. it was 60 years after Calvin that Arminius came with his heresy. All writings of Arminius were forbidden in Holland and never published in Dutch. First edition in English was published in 1825AD His writings were in Latin but not published. I say pope church because Catholic means Universal Christian.
Finally someone said it plainly
Amen
This is a gross misunderstanding of reformed theology.
Before the foundation of the world those who are Gods through Christ were written in the Lambs Book of Life (Ephesians 1, 1 Peter 1, Revelation 13) for Jesus (Jude 2).
God did not predestine anyone to hell. Eve then Adam sinned (Genesis 3). Mankind came from Adam and therefore was made in Adam’s image (Genesis 5). The sin curse passed on to all of mankind like a plague. Man in there will continued to sin just like Adam.
Mankind would not want God unless God wanted them (1 John 4).
Throughout the history of salvation God gas only saved some (Noah and his family, Abraham and his family, etc) by his foreknowledge and predetermination (Romans 8:28-30). All have sinned because they want to sin (Genesis 6, Genesis 8, Romans 3). God merely endures the vessels of wrath so that the vessels of mercy will know the riches of His mercy (Romans 9:22-24)
To say we are saved because we chose God and that’s what God foreknew puts us at the center of salvation not God. Not Christ. No where I. The Bible will you find that. Salvation is all by God, for Christ, because of Christ. We are saved to love, worship, praise and serve Christ for all eternity.
The choice we make is God influencing us and persuading us by His power, love, and grace, but it was Gods choice for those first (Matthew 11:27, John 10:11, Act 13:48)
I've never had this put so clearly!! It always seemed absurd to me. I had to disengage from some of my favorite theologians, so that I wouldn't risk being influenced by them any longer, which was painful. I took all their books and threw them in the garbage!!
"And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers". John 20:4,5.
Reformed Theology had its origin in Augustine. He had been saved out of Manachanism, which is a fatalistic, deterministic philosophy. At the time, the church would not allow anyone saved out of that to serve in the church as a Bishop. For some unknown reason, an exception was made for Augustine. For the first 25 years of his faith, Augustine taught everything that the church taught about salvation. Something happened in 412 AD that changed Augustine who combined his fatalistic, deterministic philosophy with Christianity and the result is Reformed Theology which Calvin expanded...
Pastor, about a year ago I heard another sermon of yours about this subject. I thanked you for it in a comment then, but I did not go into details, now I will. I had been listening to a very famous and respected leader of reformed churches worldwide for about a year at that time. Not having any knowledge of that teaching beforehand, this part of it crept into my head before I realized the problem. It was very depressing and very scary. I was fighting myself to let it go, to not believe that ....but it was hard to come out of the fear it brought to me for some reason. Then I heard that sermon of yours and everything clicked back in line and I was able to shake it off and know my God again! Since then, I have also became a member of a church here, attending regularly...thats because of your church also. I will forever be grateful. Thank you so much for taking the time to post online, it is a blessing to me.
Ms. Ledbetter,
Thank you so much for telling us your story. It is very encouraging and very understandable. If I believed in the god of Reformed theology I would be depressed as well. This is one of the very reasons I grappled with this topic at a young age. The god of Reformed theology cannot exist alongside the God of the Bible. I had to choose one or the other.
I pray that others see your comment and are encouraged to do the same as you have done.
You are a blessing to me,
Pastor Logan Fowler
I am happy for you Cherie. The Devil valued destroying you so much that he tried to sift you as wheat and failed! There must be an important job God has chosen for you that threatens the devil's kingdom. Your testimony here has a great amount of power in itself to help others going through the same thing.
People who are Calvinist can still be a christian but it is NOT because of Calvinism, it is because at one point in time they heard the gospel and believed...Calvinism took over later on.
People who debate Calvinism and Arminianism (Jacob Arminius) is a false debate, through study its easy to see that Jacob Arminius was a calvinist. The debate between the two is false and legitimizes both as valid positions to hold regarding scripture. They are BOTH false...
Calvinism is NOT Christian. This "view" degrades the Jesus of scripture and what he did on the cross so that any one can believe. Calvinism teaches that Christ did NOT die for the sins of the world nor did he taste death for everyman. This deceitful teaching twists scripture in such a way that a new believer, who is NOT "studied to show himself approved", can easily fall for this.
God predestines sin and then holds you accountable for being forced to carry gods sin out???
Truth in Love
Pastor Logan,
Your example using the two buses with their set routes that our sovereign God has provided for us to choose from was what put everything in place for me. Since then, I have had full confidence in my salvation and that leaves me free to serve Him better. The idea that this other philosophy even existed left me frozen in fear and good for nothing at all. I'm way down the road from this now, thanks to you, and the fruit of each doctrine is clear in my life. Our Lord is all powerful, sovereign and most definitely perfectly just.
Thank you for encouraging me today with your post. I'm starting to realize my job towards family and friends and it's a daunting idea, so once again, you're right on time!! Lol! Also, many people in your position would have their comments turned off. I greatly respect that you engage to try to help people when it's obvious there is no other reason for you to do so. Thank you for everything extra that you do!
Cherie
@@cherieledbetter8185 Amen, Cherie! Thanks for continuing to keep in touch. God bless you as you contend for the faith and run your race!
Eph. 6:10 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might."
@@TruthLewiston The Calvinist God and the God of Islam must sit at the same table going through their fry or not to fry list!
One of the foundational doctrines of Islam is the absolute sovereignty, to the point of determinism, of Allah. Allah knows everything, determines everything, decrees everything, and orders everything. Allah is even the cause of evil (Unveiling Islam, p. 109).
It follows that Allah predestines all who will be saved and all who will be eternally damned. Of those who cannot be saved, Surah 2:6-7 states:
It follows that Calvinism and Islam are both inherently fatalistic. In Calvinism, the sovereign God elects those who will be saved and rejects all others, as seen repeatedly in Calvin’s writings:
…some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of those ends, we say that he has been predestined to life or death (Institutes, 3.21.5). John Calvin
The reason they share the same Theology is that they come from the same source of inspiration!
They all are writing down the Doctrine of Demons they embrace and willingly!
Truth in Love
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.”
Ephesians 1:3-6 NASB1995
Amen. He chose us "in Him." That's a conditional election. He chose all those who, in their freewill, believe in him. We cover this in the video.
John 3:15 "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."
But alas, Christ marvels at people's unbelief. Why would he do that? It's because God gave us a freewill. We can choose to accept or reject Christ.
Mark 6:6 "And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching."
@Dakota Bledsoe Which passage are you talking about?
@@TruthLewistonYou are a heretic. You are not God and as soon as you simply accept HIS absolute sovereignty --- God may bring you into the light of HIS GLORY. We cannot come and we WILL not come. Faith is a gift of God -- not of US
You are In Christ because you believed as Paul writes in vs 13 of the passage you quoted. Eph 1:13 - "In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise"
@@MatthewRussell-gw3wi you are making an error in your exegesis. You are reading something in verse 13 and going back and reading it into verse 4. Instead, you should follow the argument Paul is making. Also, at verse 13, all Paul is saying that after you believed you were sealed with the Holy Spirit not that God chose you after you believed or because you would believe.
Also, let’s go with your interpretation for a bit. God chose after people believed. Doesn’t that mean God learned? Does God learn?
Rc Sproul takes 2nd Peter 3:9 and says the "any" in God not willing that any should perish and twisted it into he was only talking to the any in which his letter was speaking to, basically any of you guys that are in this room listening to me. I just can't imagine a man who is supposed to be a shepherd of the flock would take such a beautiful verse of encouragement and promise in scriptures and just completely jerk it away from someone who is struggling with the assurance of salvation!
R.C. Sprout was correct. If you follow the pronouns in 2 Peter you come to the solid conclusion that the author (Peter) was speaking to the visible Church. I would encourage anyone to give it a read from Chapter 1 verse 1.
If you want assurance of salvation read 1 John.
It is called reading and interpreting in context. Bible reading 101 is looking at who the letter was written to and why. We don't open the book and point a finger at some text and think it is for me...
The Calvinists also say all isn't all. ..then have not All sinned and come short of Gods glory? Yeah ... they say world isn't world .. so on and so forth . It's sad theology .
@@glo9547
Sometimes the Greek word for "all" most certainly doesn't mean all without exception, sometimes (in context) it is referring to all without distinction, such as all mankind, Jew and Gentile. You must remember that the original language is not like English.
John 12:19 is a great example of "world" not meaning "the whole world without exception"...
After Jesus' triumphal entry into Jerusalem,the Pharisees said:
19 So the Pharisees said to one another, “You see that you are gaining nothing; look, the world has gone after Him.”
Please don't judge too quickly. There is merit in what I am saying brother. There are some so-called Calvinists that are spreading a form of hyper-Calvanism that's not biblical, I get it. But true biblical doctrine is in the grasp of those who stay true to the infallibility and sufficiency of Scripture to reveal truth and godliness to us.
RC Sproul was lost. He believed in baptismal regeneration. So yes, he was manipulating scripture. That's why reformed theology is probably the most deadly false doctrine there is, because it's hard to detect, lots of people fall for it, and they twist words to confuse people. Case in point: Look at how many people in the American church have a calvinist viewpoint. Satan is in the religion business. Calvinism is one of his favorites. You can spot a false teaching mormon, Jehovah witness, Imam in islam, very easy.
The reformed theology has just enough poison to kill you. It's like rat poison: 99.8% cornmeal, and 0.2% arsenic- and that 0.2% kills the rat.
Great sermon pastor. We need more people to help explain reformed theology and call it out for what it is. Thank you.
Thank you for posting this. It definitely compliments everything I've been battling in my head. Im currently serving on the worship team of a reformed church who seems dead to the truth. Praise be to God for Holy Spirit conviction. I wont be there much longer. Thanks again and God bless.
How would you define dead to the truth?
@@jermoang1837 That is an easy one. They refuse John 3:16. They insist on changing the meaning of the grade three words a child can understand to their Cult doctrines.
Truth in Love
@@truth7416 Reformed theology does not refuse John 3:16 it’s absolutely affirmed. I’m not sure what you mean by cult doctrine since they 100% adhere to the authority of scripture. Its inerrancy and infallibly, there’s a lot of stereotypes and assumptions made about it I think because those who are opposed to it really don’t know exactly what it is but I think if you look into it you might find that you don’t disagree with with it as much as you think
@@jermoang1837 No they don't! They adhere to John Calvin's Cult teaching that relies on changing the following Words to what they were never intended to say. They have through John Calvin decided what scripture is not allowed to say. They then change the meaning of the words and ignore context.
In Romans 9 they need to change “mercy” to “salvation”.
In John 3:3 they need to change “see the kingdom” to “believe.”
In Ephesians 2:8,9 they need to assume faith is a limited gift only given to a select few when the passage doesn’t say that.
In Ephesians 1:4,5 they need to change it to say chosen to be in Him, when the passage doesn’t say that.
If you take every time the scriptures says "World" which is 20 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
If you take every time the scriptures says "Whoever" which is 16 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
If you take every time the scriptures says "Whosoever" which is 16 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
If you take every time the scriptures says "All" which is 16 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
If you take every time the scriptures says "Everyman" which is 6 times and twist and force it to say Elect!
Then yes, Calvin got it right. and Reformed Theology is "all" true true!
Truth in love
I was in Calvinism for nearly 20yrs and I'm free now. God bless you dearest Sister.❤🙏❤
The issue is not in predestination, but in the presumptions of men in light of that doctrine which they attach to it. The same applies to those who deny predestination. If God is sovereign, then all is under his foot. Your belief, your faith, your repentance, it cannot in itself do anything. Only God can save you. He has to will it. The New Testament articulates how God has chosen to act, which is to save, and what he asks of us humans, to repent and believe, and fulfill the great commission. This doesn't undermine his divine sovereignty. God said how he acts and what he asks.
God predestinated believers (not simply individuals) to go to heaven and unbelievers to go to hell. God is sovereign and mankind has a freewill. These are not contradictory concepts.
@@TruthLewistonBlasphemy.
And God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Pet. 3:9
God chose people before the foundation of the world. These will all be drawn by the Holy Spirit to believe in Christ. Those who are not chosen, God allows them to choose Christ on their own free will. They will all reject the Gospel freely, because they love their sin more.
HAVE YOU EVER READ THESE PASSAGES?? What you claim as blasphemy is literally written in the Bible! The pharisees claimed the same about Jesus. You are indeed following their footsteps.@@DieAbsoluteWahrheit
I dont know much about Baptists, in general, but I assumed that they were all on board with that total depravity concept and sovereign predestination. Thanks for your insights, as an EO, you made my day a bit more refreshing. Thanks again for your content. Be well!
I’ve been in the Southern Baptist church for 50-years. We have never believed in or taught predestination. God Bless
These are calvinists, not all baptist are calvinist, prebysterians are also calvinists
Baptists are all over the map. Theologically sound Baptists agree with the London Confession of Faith. Spurgeon was one such Baptist, the greatest evangelist of the 19th century. Frankly, if you do not agree with the Apostles, Jesus, Augustin, Luther, Calvin, etc., then you may as well rejoin the Roman Catholic church to unite with others who reject the Reformation which ushered in reason, and abandoned superstition. History is pretty fascinating.
@@louskimming4371 Theologically sound? May I remind you that Spurgeon was saved in a Methodist Church. 90% of calvinists were "saved" in a non calvinist church. calvinist churches dont ever have true converts
@caman171 universal negative, you're being willing to say that destroys your credibility completely, go talk to yourself, I have no time for one who so blatantly lies. Low hanging fruit, one of the most intelligent people we can document, Edwards, was a Calvanist and became one in a Calvanist Church. That's not for your edification I am more than done with you. It's for others, just to prove how easily your lie is exposed to be a lie. Unmitigated liars can not be reasoned with.
John 1: 12-13 "But as many as received him, he gave them power to be sons of God, even to them that believe on his name; Who were born, not of blood, nor the will of the flesh, nor the will of man, but of God.
This man thinks he was born again of his own will.
1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
God gives us freewill. God’s will is that all men be saved, but all men will not.
@reginaldbutler7066 so you were born again using your will?
@reginaldbutler7066 Why does God only save some? Why doesn't He save all?
Thank you for this message!! This makes complete sense to me.
Calvinistic Christians drove me to deconstruct my faith and I ultimately became nihilistic. I was excommunicated and ostracized and became homeless for a year. Only by glory and grace did I find my way back to a place where Jesus could take me and heal my soul. I was broken and suffering passive unaliving myself ideation. In an instant last week the Holy Spirit took that darkness from me and pointed clear my path. I cried in joy and relief for the grace he allowed me to experience. I am now on a mission to expose Calvinism for the Anti-Christ Spirit it holds and harms with. It's the most diabolical interpretation of scripture in existence. I pray all decent people call these Charltons out for the tricksters they are. Love in Christ
Mercy, calvinists reformers as a whole are horrific
@@truthseeker5698 they are the great apostasy
@AlanDeMoss don't go to the Greek, or buy a good concordance if you really want to follow Satan. Calvanism didn't drive you to atheism/nihilism. You did. It's more likely your realization that you actually hate God did. Why wouldn't a sound church excommunicate someone who proclaimed belief, then came clean and refuted their belief? You made your choices, and blame others for it. I don't doubt for a second that a spirit is motivating you, but as you refute Jesus, Paul, and ultimately God, it isn't the Holy Spirit.
@AlanDeMoss You didn't understand the doctrine then, and you just espoused a fairly common Calvinist idea 😂. It's not in the least diabolical when understood from the perspective that the universe exists for God's glory, not humanity's sake.
@@iamthasecond Yes, put on those calvie lenses , devoid of relational basics , where prayer is a trite meaningless facade, sola de closed theists for their gods glory. Such Ridiculousnss bro!
If man was not created a free moral agent, then he was not created in the image of God.
wow, absolutely! I need to remember this
If man wasn’t created with the ability to create matter, then he wasn’t created in the image of God.
@@samueladams4577 gottem lol
Man was created free, and he used his freedom to become a slave of sin, and was no longer a free moral agent, but one enslaved to sin. He became a dead man who does not love God, and until Christ sets you free, you will love sin and hate God. This is the teaching of the Bible.
@@Quinnrodius
When the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
{Ezekiel 18:24}
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
{Ezekiel 33:11}
It’s fascinating looking at the Reformed comments here. Always the same responses to the critique of the calvinist position. “This guy doesn’t understand Reformed theology” yet there is nothing substantive put forward by them to explain the theology or to reckon with the teacher’s arguments. If you notice below, Logan is always the last person standing. Reformed theology only sustains itself by surviving in an echo chamber. It’s a cult for mine.
It definitely is a cult. I spoke to an old flame this past summer, and when I mentioned several rhetorical-qyestiin indictments against Calvinism, her response was, "All good questions, but there are answers "
Agh!!!!!!!!
That's not being a Berean; that's being cult-like.
I.emailed her the other day and addressed this insane idea of Christ dying ,"for the elect" and asked what in the world was meant by "for the elect"? I mentioned that if someone were "elected" for Heaven, that person was saved at that point and that if the elect are already saved, why, then, would the Lord die on the cross?
And I discern that she's FINALLY snapping out of it.
How honest is Logan's approach when he starts to cite a confession of faith, saying it contradicts with a statement some further in the confession? So he really thinks he's the first one to see the contradiction, and all the time before no reformed theologian realized their confession was contradictional? Or they did see and considered it to be better to stick to the confession than to stick to the Bible? Please...
I'm sorry, I can accept a baptist or evangelical view as more or less biblical (not entirely in my eyes), at the same time I accept a reformed view as - in my opinion - a bit more biblical; we all are limited in knowledge so every theology has its flaws... But when someone thinks he has to mock reformed theology... Then I can't take him seriously. Yes, now you can still say I also don't give arguments or clarification in favor of reformed theology - I don't have the time yet, and if I would make the effort I don't know if it would have any positive effect, so I won't explain it here anyway. Just take a good reformed dogmatics or so, read it carefully, compare with scripture, empathize, think along... You don't need to change to a reformed church, but you will see how biblical it all is. I'm not that familiar with Logan's theology, just accidentally encountered this video, but his explanations seem quite simplistic and sometimes quite biblicistic to me. Very unfair, this video, unworthy of a christian.
@@rblom8283 who are the best teachers you have read or listened to that present the best refutation of reformed theology?
@@honestchristianity936Soteriority 101 or Beyond the Fundementals UA-cam
I was thinking the same thing from the Pastor. He used one reference and took it out of context. Then after refuting Arminianism in one sentence he used Arminianism to refute calvinism. This is teaching others how to misrepresent a viewpoint. He should go talk to one of them first or read about it before creating more division. We might say you're close to heresy because you're dispensational, but you say we're blasphemous because we believe only God can save us in our sin by sending His people with the Gospel to hear and be saved. We wouldn't have any of it without Him working it out for us. We don't worship calvin. He just wrote about what the Bible said and explained the layout of it exegetically.
I am in the middle of a battle against Calvinism in my life. Thank you for the video brother 🙏🏽
Forsake it completely as I did or it will rot your mind
I was an Arminian for 14 years until I began a deep study into the foreknowledge of God. I even held to the view of Molinism until someone challenged me to back it up with scripture. I then began to study this subject from the perspective of a Calvinist and came to the conclusion that their view is the one most supported in scripture. Then all verses in question began to make sense, especially Romans 9 and now I can truly say the scriptures rightly teach unconditional election and the rest of doctrines taught by reformers. I hope you keep searching until your mind settles 🙏
@@feliperiossanchez7229No! you have simply jumped from one Cult to another. There is no salvation in Calvinism. Calvi-god is no god at all. It is satan's nickname. He has you right where he wants you. Self pumped up that You yes You are a lottery salvation winner of calvi-jesus doctrine of demons. Wake up!
It’s supported by the Calvinist interpretation, it is not the clearly taught view. There are other interpretations that don’t make God a narcissist monster.
Reformed, especially Calvinist, love to say how they engaged deeply with scripture, implying that such depth naturally brings about Calvinism.
Just recently came out of my battle. God is equipping us to stand against this deception.
When discussing what God has done, what God has authorized and who we perceive Him to be, His essence must never be compromised or He will be perceived to do and to be other than who He is.
Thank you for this wonderful message...!!!
This message is horribly wrong.
So thankful for your words and work. I needed to know these things. ✝️
No, you didn't.
Mankind has the ability to choose. But he has no ability to choose Christ. He has to be drawn by the Father first, and then he will believe. We are saved by the grace of God through faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross. This is all of God. If we say it is of ourselves, we would have reason to boast.
The Holy Spirit is the only member of the Godhead that DOES NOT draw anybody!!!!! Your doctrine comes not from the Bible!
@@jasonweaver8492 You are correct. John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day." God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are in agreement anyway.
Yep, a simple sentence I have replied to people before is, God's offer of salvation to every human, is a **valid** offer to every single human being.
offer of salvation to every human, is what John Calvin did. Too many people are saying stuff about Calvin without knowing a thing about the Reformation. Calvin did not make a new doctrine. He brought back the teachings of the Early church. Not against Arminius. It is the other way around, But against the heresies of the Pope church of regeneration by Works and praying to saints. 30 Million Christians who followed the Reformation were Killed by Burning on the Stake, by the Catholic inquisition In the face of a most painful dead not giving up their faith. Saying that it was the result of a false doctrine, is crossing a dangerous line, and show of total ignorance of what Scripture says.
Other than the result of men’s refusal. Calvin as you can see and put the responsibility by men.
THIS IS HOW CALVIN PREACHED THE GOSPEL (Calvin's Wisdom p119-120)
He calls all men to himself, without a single exception, and gives Christ to all, that we may be illumined by him. When we pray, we ought, according to the rule of charity, to include all. God invites all indiscriminately to salvation through the Gospel, BUT THE INGRATITUDE OF THE WORLD IS THE REASON why this grace, which is equally offered to all, is enjoyed by few.
COMMENTARIES OF JOHN CALVIN ON THE BIBLE.
“He makes this favor common to all, because it is propounded to all, and not because it is in reality extended to all; for though Christ suffered for the sins of the whole world, and is offered through God’s benignity indiscriminately to all, yet all do not receive him.” [Calvin’s Commentary on Romans 5:18]
Nevertheless, forasmuch as it is not in us to discern between the righteous and the sinners that go to destruction, but that Jesus Christ has suffered His death and passion as well for them as for us, therefore it behoves us to labour to bring every man to salvation, that the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ may be available to them ...” [Sermon CXVI on the Book of Job (31:29-32)]
“The word many is not put definitely for a fixed number, but for a large number; for he contrasts himself with all others. And in this sense it is used in Romans 5:15, where Paul does not speak of any part of men, but embraces the whole human race.” [Calvin’s Commentary on Matthew 20:28]
“For he intended expressly to state [in John 3:16] that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favour of God, YET HE SHOWS HIMSELF TO BE RECONCILED TO THE WHOLE WORLD, when he invites all men without exception to faith in Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life.” (Calvin’s Commentary on the Gospel of John)
2 peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
calvinists: "yeah all OF THE ELECT"
@@tomtemple69So you believe God will never punish the world?
Because If all means all human beings then there will never be a Time for God to punish the world...
Generation follows generation.
And it God is graceful against whom?
Against US.
@@DieAbsoluteWahrheit He punishes those who reject Christ
@@tomtemple69 And are you better then those who reject him?
Are you smarter or better?
Or why did you choose to Accept Christ?
Acts 13:47-48 "For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation to the ends of the earth.
And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord; and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed."
Not willing that any (of us) should perish. He is speaking to the saved.
@susiewoodford2047 Who need to come to repentance? That makes no sense.
@TruthLewiston keep it in context. Verse1 - who is he talking to? Beloved. Verse 8- who is he talking to? Beloved. Verse 9- who are the you? Beloved. Who are the any? Beloved
@dtaase They're beloved but they haven't repented yet? A person is dead in trespasses and sins before repentance. They are enemies of the cross of Christ. That's why they need to repent.
@@dtaase And while you're struggling with this one, let us know what the word "all" means in this verse:
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
Using a very similar analogy your “god” would allow the little 2 year old to get hit by the train because his own immaturity and will didn’t cause him to move because all kids are stubborn. My God goes to the track and grabs the toddler, against his will and saves him…
You error, not knowing the scriptures. Babies are innocent. David knew this and knew he'd see his child again. Read your Bible more. Watch reformed videos less.
Matthew 19:14 "But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven."
Jonah 4:11 "And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand..."
2 Samuel 12:23 "But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me."
@@TruthLewiston our sinful nature is passed onto us at the moment of conception, inherited from our earthly fathers; Psalm 51:5 says “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me” The way babies that die are saved, (born and unborn), is the Father reveals the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ directly to them even in the womb if needed. We see this revealed to John the Baptist in Luke 1:41, “And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:” don’t you know these scriptures?
@@cal30m1 lol... We see that from a baby moving in the womb? That's quite a stretch, even for Calvinists... And the rest of babies burn in hell. This is deformed theology.
Babies inherit a sin nature, but not a sin record. There is major difference, but Calvinists are too stuck on their Confessions to see the easy answer in God's word.
We just covered this on Sunday. Learn the answer here: ua-cam.com/video/mFYwF4qOFGE/v-deo.html
He lay on the track for us in the person of Jesus Christ. And that way, Jesus got Himself excommunicated from the Calvinist churches.
@@TruthLewiston No one is innocent and time is the only barrier between youth and maturity.
I'm enjoying your sermons pastor
So does the enemy.
@themedialies6613 Why does the enemy enjoy his sermons.
25:20 God is sovereign... he is free to do as he pleases. God is not obligated to control anything simply because he possess the ability. Calvinists assume God uses his power as they might if only they had it....
Thank God they don't. Satan is jealous of God's power, Calvinists also seem to have an uncanny focus on God's power.
They also always, always come from the perspective that "they are the "Elect" and need to show everyone else that they are not. The pride and arrogance is sickening.
But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(Ep. 2:4-5,8)
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
(Pr. 16:4)
Amen brother
The illustration at the beginning of the sermon is 100% accurate.
Tell me something, Calvinists: why would you listen to the entire sermon if you think it's wrong?
The sermon is truth. That's why you listen to it.
For example: I wouldn't listen to a Jehovah (false) Witness speak for 5 seconds. The doctrine is wrong. And I don't need to listen to them.
But the Calvinists will tune into a truthful sermon such as this one delivered by Mr Logan Fowler, because they are insecure and are not convinced that their doctrine is accurate.
Let me help you out here.
I was in a calvinist church for 3 years. The calvinist pastors are deceivers. And they don't even realize it. They double talk. They don't tell you what they really believe. They don't know the difference between the church and Israel. They play "jackrabbit theology" where they dodge a topic and jump to another to avoid being exposed. They take one verse out of context and wedge it into their false man-made system that is rooted in gnosticism, Greek philosophy and Roman Catholicism. They do not compare scripture with scripture.
Calvinist pastors are deceived. They have misled you.
Mr Fowler is trying to help you.
You have to consistently listen to KJV rightly-dividing pastors such as Logan Fowler, James Knox, Laurence Vance and David Cloud to help you untangle the calvinistic cobwebs.
Changing is tough. But it is necessary and you will be a great witness for the Lord Jesus Christ if you ditch the false doctrine of Calvinism.
Whosoever will not whosoever of the elect which is what Reformed add to John 3:16 or loved the world "of the elect" It is heresy nothing else!
I thank the Lord for being Reformed by God through Reformed Doctrines.I will never,never gamble Reform Doctrines.I thank and praise the Lord for this.Thank You Lord for Reform Doctrines.
The blood of Christ is what saves, not reformed doctrines. You're praising the wrong thing.
Say it over and over and click your heels together and you will eventually believe it. The wizard (Satan) wouldn't lie to you!
Will you listen to yourself? Praising the doctrines of man and not the Word of God? TULIP is the doctrine of man, it is a fairy tale. It has nothing to do with biblical Christianity. As a former Calvinist of over 20 years, i understand Calvinism and Calvinism is vain babbling and Scripture warns about it. Please friend come to your senses
Okay I’m a Calvinist myself and the way you worded that is very bizarre. It like you’re venerating reformed doctrines 😂
It’s totally not a cult.
From a practical point of view, I do not know what God has pre-determined. So, I just trust Him and put my faith in Him and ask for His help in everything I do. My relationship with him is interactive as I journey through life. My freedom constantly mingles with his guidance. He wants to be part of my life. I want Him to be part of my life. He created me free as He is free. I don’t know how my life will turn out, but I share my life with Him. In my freedom I often act like I am powerful. It would seem like asking for His help shows that I am weak. But, with his help we can be strong when we need to and compassionate and listening to others when we need to. The concept of pre-determination only makes sense when looking back on your life in a historical way. Otherwise, it is useless and only stirs up controversy. He may know how things turn out. But we are rarely given such foresight.
Acts 11:17-18 "Forasmuch, then, as God gave them the same gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, what was I, that I could withstand God?
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life."
If God is love and grace is irresistible then I would think He would irresistibly save everyone since He isn’t willing that any should perish. The bad thing about Calvinist’s is they don’t believe all means all.
And yet there are many who hear the word of God but they don’t have ears to hear and are not saved. Why?
@@nimrod9088 because they have not been convicted of their sins or they reject the calling of God.
@@stevennelson2683Thats what WE Calvinist believe too
So if God is love why didn’t he create a world where everyone would be saved? That’s not a good argument
Romans 9 tells you why He chose not to save everyone
The Reformation is part of History. Calvin did not make a new doctrine but all he did is referring to the early church fathers like John Chrysostom, against the heresies of the Catholic church However I gladly give you some Bible text
Words like “predestined - predestinated - foreknowledge - elect - election - foreordained” appear with regularity and are always the basis for Pauline teaching on salvation. When someone denies personal predestination from before the foundation of the World” it shows that they have never really stood toe-to-toe with the Bible and read it for what it actually says. The staunchest brick wall opposition to deny the truth of God’s word is always built on traditions of men; never on the clear word of Scripture. Our fleshly, human ego just loves the idea that our “will” is totally at liberty. Yet, the Bible tells us that we are “dead in trespasses and sins.” Human tradition refuses to believe that. And Biblical salvation is always based on God’s free and sovereign grace, Only His will and His good pleasure; NEVER on our willingness first and God’s grace last. Again, human tradition refuses to believe that.
Exodus 33:19 And he said, “I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The Lord.’ And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy.
Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.
Matthew 20:23 He said to them, “You will drink my cup, but to sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.”
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.”
Matthew 25:34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
Mark 13:20 And if the Lord had not cut short the days, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days.
John 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.
John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
John 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
John 17:9 I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.
Romans 8:28-30 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
Romans 9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
Romans 11:7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened,
2 Timothy 1:9 Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,
Ephesians 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will.
Ephesians 1:11-12 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory.
1 Peter 1:2 According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
1 Peter 1:20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you
Galatians 1:15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace,
1 Thessalonians 1:4 For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you,
Revelation 13:8 And all who dwell on earth will worship it, ( So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast) everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
Revelation 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more.
Revelation 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan WILL BE released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. “WILL BE” means it will happen BECAUSE of God’s Decree.
Why now release Satan to deceive the nations? This lifetime is short and Hell is forever. Would you rather be presumptuous and not find out the truth. Never Lost is Never Saved.
How much FREE-WILL do people in Thailand have with 93% practicing Buddhist and 5.5% Islam 1.5% divided in no religion and Christians? To be born & raised a Buddhist only a miracle from our Sovereign Lord can change the heart of a person. If God wanted all to be saved all would be saved. The old covenant was for Israel only. The new covenant does not have limitation to certain people.
God elected/chose/predestinated believers -- those "in him." And, yes, not one of these will be lost. Watch this debate. It will help you: ua-cam.com/video/pjBsZBdTSnM/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Mormonism is part of history also. And yet they miss the mark on Scripture.
Luther was a part of history and even the Reformation, but in later life he was a raging antisemite and a proponent of the heresy we now call Replacement Theology.
Just because someone is part of history - even the history of the church - doesn't mean they were right. That's why it's vital we interpret Scripture separated from our preconceived notions. If we go in looking for Calvinism, we'll find it. If we go in asking God to teach us what the Scriptures *actually* say, we'll find that also.
@@shawnkeith1164 That is why I have all these Bible text there. Bud God can Harden hearts. And they will not be saved
@@TruthLewiston You should get off that Pulpit. It will give you unspeakable grief and PAIN. This Reply is not hate, but out of love and concern for you.
Why do you think God has to harden people's hearts and blind their eyes? Because they COULD get saved, but after watching them reject Christ again and again, God decides to stop giving them chances.
The fact that God blinds eyes is actually proof that they could have been saved. Why would unelect people need to be blinded?
I just left a church that was Calvinistic.
Why?
@@Fairford2001 well then you left a church that was teaching the truth of the scriptures. Running from the truth only proves that you do not truly seek the truth, but you only seek what your interpretation of the truth is and not the truth that scripture clearly teaches.
God does not send us to hell, He saved us out of it. It's where we were going in the first place. We were DEAD in our trespasses.... Thankful for God saving me. I give HIM ALL the glory... Wasn't me (that any man should boast).
There is no boasting in choosing to receive a free gift. There is, however, boasting in believing that somehow God picked you because you're special.
Abel chose the blood. Did this give him room to boast? No. Cain had a choice to make. If he had chosen the blood, he wouldn't have had room to boast either.
Genesis 4:7 "If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."
I do not feel that people who are chosen boast at all. If anything we see God's amazing grace and mercy.
@TruthLewiston I guess you can thank yourself for making smart decisions and achieving salvation.
@@teamrecon2685 That's like saying the person who looked at the brazen serpent could boast about healing themselves. Only an idiot would say that. And only an idiot would make the comment you just made.
Yep, if giving God all the glory makes me an idiot, then ABSOLUTELY, I am an Idiot. I take NO credit for ALL that HE has done. All praise to HIM
GOD IS ALL TIME everywhere all the time.
Off topic, but Dominic says he wants to be the Pastor at the "far away church." .... I told him I think they already have the next pastoral generation covered. Lol! I praised him for that way of thinking though.
It is amazing how people display their ignorance in public and boast about it. If we are born slaves to sin, how on earth can we have free will ? And if we are not slaves to unrighteousness or slaves to sin as Paul calls every unbeliever in Romans 6 ? Then why would I need a saviour. Slaves do not have free will as it relates to sin, and even if they had free will they would be unable to exercise it, they are slaves.
You have no respect for the power of the word of God to make men alive, and the power of the gospel to set me free. You are lost.
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
John 8:32 "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Really ? All those verses you quoted support Calvinism. The word of God quickens and makes alive the elect, without them doing anything. You just proved my point. It is not up to man, but God that gives life. 1 Corinthians 3:6 “I have planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase.@@TruthLewiston
@@henrka You don't know Calvinism. Calvinism teaches that faith is gifted out randomly to previously chosen individuals. The truth is, anyone who hears the gospel can have faith and choose to believe. Stop calling yourself a Calvinist. You aren't one.
Well, you state “everybody who hears the gospel can have faith and choose to believe”. What you are stating is contrary not just to Calvinism, but the entire Protestant reformation including Luther. It is also contrary to the Council of Orange that condemned pelagianism in 529 AD. Regardless whether I am a Calvinist or not, orthodox Christianity considers your statement heresy, and so do I. Not even Classical Arminians agree, that when the gospel is preached man can choose to believe or disbelieve. What Arminians call previnient grace is not given to all men every time the gospel is preached. Your position is not anti-Calvinist, but pelagian which is heretical. The word of God is powerful to convert the elect, but nowhere near as powerful to convert every man that hears the gospel, if it was every man would believe. Luke 16:31 is abundantly clear, that many people cannot possibly be converted by God’s word. And 1 Corinthians 2:14 also makes it clear that the natural man cannot hear or understand the gospel, this has nothing to do with the word of God having no power, but that man is blind to understand it as 2 Corinthians 4:4 states..@@TruthLewiston
@henrka Look at you looking to church history instead of God's word for answers. You're a fool.
I never claimed that all who hear the gospel believe, but I certainly claim that all who hear the gospel can believe.
The fact that mankind can hear the gospel, be convicted by the spirit, and still choose to reject Christ, also flies in the face of Calvinism's "irresistible grace" stupidity.
Acts 7:51 "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."
But yes, the word of God has the power. Anyone who hears it can choose to accept it or reject it.
Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
Psalm 119:93 "I will never forget thy precepts: for with them thou hast quickened me."
Psalm 119:154 "Plead my cause, and deliver me: quicken me according to thy word."
Psalm 119:156 "Great are thy tender mercies, O Lord: quicken me according to thy judgments."
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
I Pet. 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever."
2 Timothy 3:15 "And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."
Luke 24:32 "And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?"
The analogy is not even a little close to what reformed theology teaches.
How does it differ?
@@TruthLewiston I will take the time later when I am off work and explain why it is different if you really want to hear.
@@3BadBostons Yeah, just give one example, your best example. Thanks.
If Joey was His, Joey would of heard His voice. You seem to forget that God created Joey and if God had created Joey as a vessel of mercy He would have responded. God created Pharoah and Moses and "chose" each for a specific purpose.
I don't know how long you have believed in Jesus for your eternal salvation, but you seem to be one that thinks that you chose to believe in Jesus.
It is not of him who wills or runs, but of God who shows mercy.
It is He that works in us.
God works through our free will, and does not force us but perfectly gives us Light.
The whole point of God's Word is He is Light and in Him is no darkness. Are you in the light?
You decided to believe on your own? No! You heard the Word and were able to believe His Word (even if you don't understand His sovereignty).
Jesus said, MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE....
@@3BadBostons You limit the power of God's word. It can quicken (make alive) whoever hears it. Not just the reformed "elect."
Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
Moses chose to believe in the God of the Israelites. Pharoah chose to sin yet more and harden his heart. God did not force either into this outcome.
Hebrews 11:24 "By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;"
Exodus 9:34 "And when Pharaoh saw that the rain and the hail and the thunders were ceased, he sinned yet more, and hardened his heart, he and his servants."
Your theology has no answer for all of scripture. Ours does. For example, answer these two verses.
Jonah 3:10 "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
You also must understand that people reject God's grace all the time. Calvinism is a lie.
Acts 7:51 "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."
Amen, praise the Lord...
Excellent word
We need to ask the question, "Why do Christians go to Reformed Churches?" The advent of the entertainment based mega churches has pushed many Bible believers out of the Church. So, you visit a Reformed Church, even a Reformed Baptist Church and for a while it looks good! They use Hymn books, they pray, it's not chaos, and for a while all is good. After several years you realize that Calvin and the 'Confessions' have replaced the Holy Spirit. It gets worse, it's like the spell wears off, and the 'Determinism', turns into hopelessness, and you have what seems like a 'Probational Salvation' if you are not perfectly Holy. And your Christan life is a depressed mess. Years ago, the infighting of Independent Baptist Churches, and scandals led me to a Reformed Church. And I left after 10 years a mess. If you can find a 'Non-Ruckmanite' independent Baptist Church join it. There are some good churches out there but there are few and far between. If you are blessed enough to have a real pastor - pray and fast for him.
so, does that mean, that once you are saved, you are ALWAYS saved REGARDLESS of how you live your life? meaning, that after you have come to faith and repented, you can LIVE in willful sin and still be saved?
That's the hypothetical question that those who believe in works salvation (e.g., Mormons) love to ask. The truth is, I've never met a saved individual who willfully continued to disobey God's word, reject the conviction of the indwelling Holy Spirit, and disregard the chastisement of the Father. If there were such a person we'd have every reason to conclude they were never saved in the first place.
If you're saved, you'll want to live right.
But living right isn't what saves. Christ saves.
believing in the life, death on the cross and most importantly ..the resurrection of Jesus Christ is what saves..if your saved you're saved..if you live like the devil..then you are a disobedient child of God if you sin,but you believe in what Jesus did .....the scripture says "Believe"..but you must repent of thinking that you can live good enough..so, we can't live "good" enough"..we should be children of satan..lest the grace of God
@@TruthLewiston the parable of the prodical son says different.
@@eyezon1975 No it doesn't. The correct way to view the parable is that all have gone astray though sin (Isaiah 53:6), but if we repent (change our minds about our sin) and trust Christ, God will receive us.
Isaiah 53:6 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."
@@TruthLewiston I disagree.
The son was already part of the "family" with all it had to offer - he wasn't a lost sinner. The son then choose to go live in sin. The father considered the son "dead" (the wages of sin is death) until the son repented and returned to the Father. Only then was he declared "alive" and welcomed back into the family. Given back clean clothes and the ring of authority to show this fact. Had the son died in the pigsty (in his sin), he would have gone to hell. This is the same fate that will await Christians who live in habitual, repeated, continuous and unrepentant sin.
This parable is not only meant as a warning for Christians, but also to show the mercy and love of God. It is not a picture of the unsaved coming to repentance. The unsaved is not children of God and thereby not part of the family..the prodigal son was..
Truth Lewiston said:
"You do realize that you're simply quoting all of the failed Reformed talking points that I've already refuted in the video and in the comments section?
The Bible makes hearts come alive (look up "quicken" in scripture and read Romans 10:17).
God draws all men unto him (John 12:32), though some men resist the Holy Spirit (Acts 7:51).
Here's a straightforward, simple question I'd like to give you the chance to answer. None of your colleagues have even dared to. What does the word "all" mean in this verse?
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
i said:
You need to understand "all without distinction" (Jew and gentile, groups, kinds.ect) and "all without exception" (everyone).
John 12:32 the all is "all without distinction" because if all means everyone and the Greek word for "draw" is put rather as "drag" and is the same Greek word in John 6:44 in which this "draw/drag" is effectual then you just stated that God effectually brings everyone to Christ and I don't think you believe universalism. So its rather put God draws "all without distinction" not "all without exception"
Acts 7:51 I'd say the workings of salvation are not even an issue in Acts 7:51 because Stephen isn't inviting his hearers to become believers. Stephen's just scolding them for being opposed to God's work in the world and, in particular, the Spirit's work of witnessing to Christ through the early church leaders.
But even if his hearers were resisting a call to be saved, we'd make a distinction between God's general call that goes out to all men and can be resisted and his effectual call which cannot.
Here's a straightforward, simple question I'd like to give you the chance to answer. None of your colleagues have even dared to. What does the word "all" mean in this verse?
(I did lol) you should read that comment I made. further up.
Romans 5:18 Simply put, all men represented in Adam are condemned. Likewise, all men represented in Christ are justified. All those in Adam will be condemned. All those in Christ will be granted eternal life. Each all is as comprehensive of its representative head.
Paul's dealing with Adams federal headship.
lets see if he will reply.
Cute idea, but the problem is that you have to add to scripture to get there. Here's your rewrite:
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men REPRESENTED IN ADAM to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men REPRESENTED IN CHRIST unto justification of life."
Shall we rewrite whatever passages don't fit your doctrine?
I Tim. 2:4-6 "Who will have all men to be saved REPRESENTED IN CHRIST, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all REPRESENTED IN CHRIST, to be testified in due time."
Heb. 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man REPRESENTED IN CHRIST."
Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth REPRESENTED IN CHRIST: for I am God, and there is none else."
Isaiah 53:66 "All we REPRESENTED IN ADAM like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one REPRESENTED IN ADAM to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all REPRESENTED IN CHRIST."
Titus 2:11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men REPRESENTED IN CHRIST"
And this is just a small sample of verses. Wow, you have a lot of rewriting to do!
Proverbs 30:6 "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
@@TruthLewiston “Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men REPRESENTED IN ADAM to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men REPRESENTED IN CHRIST unto justification of life."
Right because any other way would be: everyone in Adam and now everyone is in Christ is righteous, how do you not see that? Plus the context is federal headship. So saying “cute idea” and then saying my interpretation and its context is faulty…. You therefore believe in universalism.
I don’t have try to argue your mocking about me interpreting Romans 5:18 and the fore that means all these verses you listed have the same interpretation it’s about context which you don’t seem to understand.
You never disproved my interpretation you just took other verses, and say well may as well use it here then. This is honestly childish and then you completely skipped all my other rebuttals.
@@TruthLewiston also wait to you reliaze other translations have different words that represent the same Greek and Hebrew text. But all you believe is KJVO and I’m not gonna try to debate with that arrogance.
@@JesseVarnon That's an illogical conclusion. The free gift is available to all men, but it is up to men to receive it or not.
John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
And here are all those verses again without your additions to them. Please, just read and believe. Faith comes by hearing the word of God, not by hearing the Reformed nonsense. Praying for you.
I Tim. 2:4-6 "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."
Heb. 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."
Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."
Isaiah 53:66 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."
Titus 2:11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men"
Rom. 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
@@TruthLewiston "That's an illogical conclusion. The free gift is available to all men, but it is up to men to receive it or not."
Romans 5:18 would therefore mean that this "righteousness" done by Christ is given to "all" in your interpterion is "everyone" then Christ satisfied the wrath for from the Father for everyone and therefore no one can stand condemned, you are implying that this gift "righteousness and satisfied wrath" must be naturally accepted apart from divine intervention and mans incapacity to due what is spiritually pleasing to God. (Genesis 6:5; Genesis 8:21; Ecclesiastes 9:3; Jeremiah 17:9; Mark 7:21-23; John 3:19; Romans 8:7-8; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 4:17-19; Ephesians 5:8; Titus 1:15.) Your adding that this gift which must be received (I agree with that it must be received) comes before regeneration and is for all without exception. Regeneration precedes faith (Romans 8:14; 1 Corinthians 2:10-13; 1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 Corinthians 12:3; 2 Corinthians 3:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17-18; 1 Peter 1:1-2, Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18; Acts 13:48; Acts 16:14; Acts 18:27; Ephesians 2:8-9; Philippians 1:29; 2 Timothy 2:25-26, Romans 8:14; 1 Corinthians 2:10-13; 1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 Corinthians 12:3; 2 Corinthians 3:6; 2 Corinthians 3:17-18; 1 Peter 1:1-2. We disagree on the order of the how this gift and I say is for all without distinction is made, God regenerates you and then believe and accept the gift. (Ephesians 2:1-10)
"Faith comes by hearing the word of God, not by hearing the Reformed nonsense." Praying for you."
I agree that faith comes by hearing the word of God, its the means God uses to draw His elect to the ends He established. Faith is a gift of God not a result of mans works (Ephesians 2:8-9) I also prayed for you, I'm just merely disagreeing on interpretations.
"1 Tim. 2:4-6 "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."
1 Timothy 2:4
The key to this passage, again, is the context: 1 Timothy 2:1-6. The first appearance of the phrase “all men” comes at the end of 1 Timothy 2:1. The very next phrase of the sentence explains Paul’s meaning: “…for kings and all who are in authority.” Why would Paul have to given such instructions? First, if one takes “all men” in 1 Timothy 2:4 to mean “all men individually,” does it not follow that Christ of necessity must be mediator for all men as well? If one says, “Yes, Christ mediates for every single human being,” does it not follow that Christ fails as mediator every times a person negates his work by their all-powerful act of free will? One could hope that no biblical scholar would ever promote such an idea, for anyone familiar with the relationship between atonement, mediation, and intercession in the book of Hebrews knows well that to make such an assertion puts the entire argument of Hebrews 7-10 on its head. For the moment, we simply point out that it is far more consistent with biblical theology to recognize that Christ mediates in behalf of the elect and perfectly saves them than it is to assert that Christ mediates for all (but fails to save all). So its "all without distinction".
"Heb. 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."
Verse 10 is the support for verse 9: Christ tasted death for everyone "for it was fitting for him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings." In other words, immediately after saying that by the grace of God Christ tasted death for everyone, the writer explains that God's design in this suffering of Christ was to "bring many sons to glory." This means that the "everyone" of verse 9 probably refers to every one of the sons being led to glory in verse 10. In other words the design of God-the aim and purpose of God-in sending Christ to die was particularly to lead his children from sin and death and hell to glory. He had a special eye to his own elect children. It's exactly what the gospel of John says in 11:52-that Jesus would die to "gather together into one the children of God who are scattered abroad." These "children of God" that Christ died to gather are the "sons" that God is leading to glory through the death of Christ in Hebrews 2:10.
"Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
I agree God commands all without exception to repent :) but God commanding does not mean mean we have the capacity to do all He commands. He commands us to be Holy and perfect as the Father is holy and perfect does that mean we have a capacity to be holy and perfect or an incapacity? Again repentance is something the Sprit grants. (Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18; Acts 13:48; Acts 16:14; Acts 18:27; Ephesians 2:8-9; Philippians 1:29; 2 Timothy 2:25-26.)
"Isaiah 45:22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."
I also agree with that verse I believe God has a people under every nation and tongue. (all without distinction)
"Isaiah 53:66 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."
Again the context here's the full context:
Who has believed what he has heard from us?[a]
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 For he grew up before him like a young plant,
and like a root out of dry ground;
he had no form or majesty that we should look at him,
and no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected[b] by men,
a man of sorrows[c] and acquainted with[d] grief;[e]
and as one from whom men hide their faces[f]
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he has borne our griefs
and carried our sorrows;
yet we esteemed him stricken,
smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
and with his wounds we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned-every one-to his own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
Verse 1 "who has believed" Verse 4 He has born "our griefs". This is the elect, those believing He bore their sin. Verse 6 the "All" is "all those who believed" not for thos who haven't believed.
"Titus 2:11 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men"
The context makes the meaning very clear; "older men" (Tit 2:2), "older women" (Tit 2:3), "young women," (Tit 2:4) "husbands," (Tit 2:4, 5), "children" (Tit 2:4), "younger men" (Tit 2:6), "bondservants" (Tit 2:9) and "masters"(Tit 2:9) alike are all guilty before God, but from them all God gathers his people (Rev 5:9; 7:9). Therefore they should should live consecrated lives (Tit 2:12-13). Titus 2:14 confirms this meaning as Paul writes, "who gave himself for us to redeem us [a specific group] from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people ["a people," not all people] for his own possession who are zealous for good works." (all without distinction)
"Rom. 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Right again I agree the whosoever refers to the elect seen in many other passages its the order election precedes salvation.
Now did i manipulate the scriptures you gave in any way? Or did I show it context? I believe scripture interprets scripture.
Thank you so much! Praise God for God! Amen
Thank you for this information
It is very clear that God is love and compassionate and merciful He is also just
James 2:3 mercy triumphs judgment *
This man burned a straw man of Calvinism.
Romans 9:15-18
[15] For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” [16] So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. [17] For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” [18] So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
He won’t explain what this passage says.
Also his case for Jesus dying and paying for everyone’s sins is illogical. If Jesus receives the penalty for everyone and if people don’t receive Jesus, they receive the penalty that was put on Jesus. But what penalty is left? How can this pastor say two men suffered for the one persons sins? You see Jesus suffered for their sins and if the person doesn’t believe he suffers too. That doesn’t make any sense.
Your latter point is like saying what penalty is left for those who didn't apply the Passover Lamb's blood? They will face the penalty of death because they did not have faith in the blood of the Lamb. This isn't hard.
And as for Romans 9, we have many lessons on it. Here's one: ua-cam.com/video/sysigecl60A/v-deo.html
@@TruthLewiston "Your latter point is like saying what penalty is left for those who didn't apply the Passover Lamb's blood? They will face the penalty of death because they did not have faith in the blood of the Lamb. This isn't hard"
That is not at all what I was referring to. The Passover lamb was a finite atonement for Gods chosen Israel, Jesus is the lamb and atonement for those whom the father gave Him.
John 10:22-30
I and the Father Are One
[22] At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter, [23] and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the colonnade of Solomon. [24] So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.” [25] Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, [26] but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. [27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. [28] I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. [29] My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. [30] I and the Father are one.” (ESV)
So the objection still stand with the sacrifice of Jesus: If Jesus receives the penalty for everyone and if people don’t receive Jesus, they receive the penalty that was put on Jesus. But what penalty is left? How can this pastor say two men suffered for the one persons sins? You see Jesus suffered for their sins and if the person doesn’t believe he suffers too.
This is a very weak line of reasoning. You would do well to consider another path.
Christ's blood purchases salvation for whoever chooses to receive it. It is like a reservation purchased at a hotel. The payment has been made whether someone chooses to receive the gift or not. Christ's blood creates a way for all men to escape. But if we neglect it, trodding under foot the blood of Christ, we will not escape.
Hebrews 2:3 "How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;"
Hebrews 10:29 "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"
I think all of this would be easier for you if you could forget all of the garbage you've learned in the reformed church. You've lost the simplicity of the gospel.
@@TruthLewiston "This is a very weak line of reasoning. You would do well to consider another path."
Reformed theology holds to what's called Trinitarian Harmony in Atonement. (THA) Which states: The Father gave a certain people to Christ, Christ atoned and paid for those whom the Father gave Him, the Spirit applies and guarantees their redemption.
Verses for the Father giving a certain people to the Son: John 17:6,John 17:9,John 17:24,John 6:37,John 6:9, John 10-28-29,Epesians 1:4-6, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14.
Verses the Son atoning for theses certain people: Matthew 1:21; Matthew 20:28; Matthew 26:28; John 10:11; John 11:50-53; Acts 20:28; Romans 8:32-34; Ephesians 5:25-27; Hebrews 2:17; Hebrews 3:1; Hebrews 9:15; Hebrews 9:28; Revelation 5:9.
Verses the Spirit saving effectually these certain people: Romans 1:6-7; Romans 8:30; Romans 9:23-24; 1 Corinthians 1:1-2; 1 Corinthians 1:9; 1 Corinthians 1:23-31; Galatians 1:15-16; Ephesians 4:4; 2 Timothy 1:9; Hebrews 9:15; Jude 1:1; 1 Peter 1:15; 1 Peter 2:9; 1 Peter 5:10; 2 Peter 1:3; Revelation 17:14.
So no I don't need to change my idea and reasoning when it is clearly in the scripture.
"Christ's blood purchases salvation for whoever chooses to receive it. It is like a reservation purchased at a hotel. The payment has been made whether someone chooses to receive the gift or not. Christ's blood creates a way for all men to escape. But if we neglect it, trodding under foot the blood of Christ, we will not escape."
Again this is a weak view of atonement, Jesus never actually paid for anyone sins in your view. Because atonement means paid and guaranteed for not "possible general faceless atonement that's impersonal" I deny your idea that mans will is what determines Christ atonement to be effective or not. I also think your hotel idea is flawed, its rather put as debt one owes not a mere offer that doesn't pay off debt. Its rather better stated as "If I paid off your mortgage and you don't believe me then you have to pay your mortgage off" that's so illogical and unbiblical.
Verses that teach Jesus actually saves and guarantees sins and trespasses are forgiven not mere "possible atonement": Matthew 1:21; Luke 19:10; Acts 5:31; Romans 3:24-25; Romans 5:8-9; Romans 5:10; 1 Corinthians 1:30; 2 Corinthians 5:18-19; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Galatians 1:3-4; Galatians 3:13; Ephesians 1:3-4; Ephesians 2:15-16; Ephesians 5:25-26; Philippians 1:29; Colossians 1:13-14; Colossians 1:21-22; 1 Timothy 1:15; Titus 2:14; Titus 3:5-6; Hebrews 9:12; Hebrews 9:14; Hebrews 13:12; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 Peter 3:18; 1 John 1:7.
"Hebrews 2:3 "How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;"
"Hebrews 10:29 "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"
I agree with these verses I do not see how this proves possible atonement that only is a effectual if the mere creature believes it.
"think all of this would be easier for you if you could forget all of the garbage you've learned in the reformed church. You've lost the simplicity of the gospel."
I have read the scriptures and the scriptures don't teach a nameless, faceless, general atonement that has the Father wanting to save not a certain people but everyone and the Son not saving a certain people but merely only those who "finalize" the work of Christ and the Spirit only saving some people. That is inconsistent and that is why I believe THA is the only right view that glorifies the triune God that's found in the scripture listed above.
‘Thants not real Calvinism. Real Calvinism has never been tried…’
Bro… best comment
College age voter 2024?
That is the same thing that is always said about communism @@troywagner7551
99% of all people who would read the Bible alone without any outside aids would not come up with the ideas of Calvinism. What does that say?
Wrong
That's why there is only a remnant that receive Gods effectual grace. Grace makes no sense in a free will doctrine. "Faith" doesn't earn Gods grace, salvific faith is the gift of Gods grace
@@ManassehJones Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
Faith, through repentance, are preached in all four of the gospels as a requirement for your salvation. John, Jesus, and all the Apostles told over and over again, "repent for the kingdom of GOD is at hand." Most Christians today don't believe this. Just say this simple prayer and believe aids manys path to hell.
@@robertc.frank1st203
Acts 17:30
In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
Correct.
This is an awesome way to show the demonic spirit behind Calvinism. It reminds me of how Adam and Eve came to a false conclusion that God planned to keep them from something better by withholding truth from them. The doctrine of Calvinism grieves me so much.
How can I make a choice if my heart is already inclined to do the opposite of faith unless God changes my heart first?
Unless the Spirit sovereignly changes my heart from stone to flesh I will never be able to make that choice.
It's all about the power of the word of God, something Calvinists stopped believing in years ago.
Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
I Pet. 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever."
Romans 3:10-11 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Thanks for exposing the Calvinist poison.
Calvinism is not a prison; it is a godly, biblical and rational explanation of God's sovereignty and saving grace.
What bothers many Christians is that it puts God far above sinful man.
In this matter of reformed theology I stand with these true Baptists. Reformed theology is a damnable heresy.
Really? what is heresy about according to you?
This is a blatant misrepresentation of Reformed Theology and who God is. He makes the same mistake that most opponents of Reformed Theology makes which discounts God's absolute and all-knowing sovereignty and omniscience. If God is all knowing then He knows your choice before you do. That doesn't take away from His loving kindness one bit. You can't pick and choose the attributes of God according to what pleases you.
Knowing the future is much different than dictating the future. God did not force mankind to sin just as he does not force a man to molest a child. This ungodly choice is made by the freewill of man.
Genesis 6:6 "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."
Your theology is deformed. How have we misrepresented it?
Read 1Samuel 23. David ask God will Saul come down to Keilah. God said,” he will come.” David ask, “ will the men deliver me over to his hand?” God said, “ they will.”
David left the city. Saul heard about it and didn’t come. The men of the city didn’t turn him over. All conditional
"You can't pick and choose the attributes of God according to what pleases you.".... that's exactly what reformed theology does.
So God doesn't love everyone who believes in the triune God?
It absolutely is not a misrepresentation
“For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.”
1 Thessalonians 2:13 KJV
“and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
2 Thessalonians 2:10-14 KJV
“as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.”
2 Peter 3:16-17 KJV
It would appear that the Lord is true to His word in dealing with false teachers in regards to this site .
The opening analogy is spot on. Calvinists will of course say it’s wrong. They’ll throw out their old faithful: “you just don’t understand Calvinism!”.
Either they don’t actually understand Calvinism, or they have a watered down and therefore incorrect view of Calvinism.
If not this, then they are an unknowing victim or a willing participant of double think.
Calvin himself wrestled with these inconsistencies but apparently couldn’t bring himself to admit he was wrong. Instead, he proclaimed these inconsistencies were true due to mystery.
I’m going to tell you a story. For the purposes of my story, I’m going to be Mrs. Fowler, Pastor Logan’s wife. One beautiful Sunday morning I invite a couple of children home after church to play in the Fowler garden. Sallie and Janie accept eagerly. Once there, I tell them my rules: you can eat any of the wholesome foods from any of the plants in my garden. Asparagus and spinach and English peas and kale. Eat to your heart’s content. But from the candy tree in the middle of the garden-licorice and taffy and lollypops and tootsie rolls and chocolate bars-you shall not eat. And if you dare, very bad things will happen to you.
The little girls had great fun playing. They ran and skipped and jumped and climbed and danced. At last they were very tired and very hungry. They looked around them at the available food. Spinach? Ugh, they hated that. Kale? Even worse. Mushy peas? Are you kidding me? This is awful!
But then Sallie took a glance toward the center of the garden. A huge tree with low lying branches. All the luscious candy they had ever enjoyed! Easy pickings! They went over and each selected several. They remembered what Mrs. Fowler had said, but they were HUNGRY. They took a bite. They took a lick. They bit and licked and bit and licked till they were all gone.
Suddenly, Mrs. Fowler appeared, red eyes blazing! She ordered them out of the garden and let them know they would never be allowed to return. Not only that, but they would die young. They might live into their twenties and have a child or two. But then, they would die miserable deaths. And the same would happen to every single one of their miserable children. And their children’s children. And they’re children’s children’s children. The progeny of such wicked, naughty little children! The offspring of disobedience!
Now, in this story, Mrs. Fowler is “God.” What would you call this God if you had to describe them? Evil? Unmerciful? Horrendous? Totally lacking in all compassion?
Oh, and I have another story. This time Mrs. Fowler invited a bunch of Sunday Schoolers out to dinner at parishioners homes all over the city. Thirty of fourth places. She and her husband had trained a couple of dozen evangelists to go out to whichever home they wanted. They had tried to train more, but there just wasn’t enough volunteers. And some of those they did have weren’t the greatest teachers in the world…if you know what I mean. They might have trouble selling a fresh-off-the-grill juicy hamburger to a starving, homeless person. After the meal, each evangelist gave a gospel presentation. And many of the kids “walked forward” to give their lives to Christ at the homes where the talented evangelists taught. Fewer at the homes where the evangelists had less talent. Almost none at the homes were the teacher with little ability. And none, of course, at the dozen or so houses where no one showed up.
All the children who didn’t walk forward were strapped to railroad tracks and run over. They only had themselves to blame. They heard the word and didn’t respond. (Well, of course, except for those who never heard. So sad about them. We need more missionaries!)
So, now, what kind of a “God” would you characterize Mrs. R. Minnie Ann Fowler to be?
Despicable? Unfair? Mean-spirited? Weak? Vengeful? You decide!
Analogies are really good ways to twist the teachings of those who oppose you. No Calvinist would even begin to recognize the supposed god of Calvinism that Pastor Fowler depicted. In his story, Bobby and Joey were human…and so was “God.” And this is the problem with so much of Arminian thought. You anthropomorphize God. You cannot see that God is on a whole nother level altogether. A whole nother plane of existence. Calvinists ascribe to human beings just as much freedom of will as Arminians do. But they also ascribe to God perfect sovereignty over things. Kind of like an author has sovereignty over how characters act in a book they are writing.
I’m pretty sure there are not many videos out there that denigrate Arminians with such vitriol. Most Calvinists look at you as our brothers and sisters in Christ. To be fair, many-if not most-Arminians return the favor.
And then there are the haters. They have amended their Bibles to read:
“Hate those who love you. Do evil unto those who treat you well.”
Christ used both analogy and satire, so we know they can be helpful when sharing or defending truth. Our analogy is based on mainstream Calvinist doctrine as clearly outlined in the Westminster Confession of Faith. If you disagree with the Westminster Confession you should stop calling yourself a Calvinist.
3:6 "The rest of mankind God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of his own will, whereby he extendeth or withholdeth mercy as he pleaseth, for the glory of his sovereign power over his creatures, to pass by, and to ordain them to dishonor and wrath for their sin, to the praise of his glorious justice."
The above quote matches our analogy perfectly, but it does not match scripture which tells us all men can be saved.
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
Agreed. This is sad teaching
@@themedialies6613 No, a sad teaching is to say the God brings babies in the world and ordains for them to be aborted and thrown in hell. That's what the Westminster Confession teaches.
10:3-4 "Elect infants, dying in infancy, are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit ... Others, not elected, ... cannot be saved"
@@TruthLewiston. No, sir, you are wrong. The Westminster Confession is but one confession of the Reformed community, and there is no compulsion to subscribe to it to be considered a Calvinist. There are also the Belgic Confession, the Heidelberg Catechism, the Canons of Dordt, and the 1689 London Baptist Confession.
And here’s what one Calvinist says about the “elect infants” line:
“The idea of ‘elect infants’ neither asserts nor denies that all infants dying in infancy are saved. Rather it tacitly concludes that at least some infants are redeemed.”
So it says absolutely NOTHING as to whether…or not…there are any infants condemned to hell. It merely states that at least some are redeemed.
Are all babies saved under Arminianism? I’m guessing there are a variety of answers to that. We simply don’t know. Scripture doesn’t tell us. Why should we quibble over this? Will not the Creator of all the world do what is right?
Your heart is clearly hardened, and you will not listen to me. Let me assure you that you know next to nothing about Calvinism as it is actually practiced. You are leading your followers astray. You purport to be a teacher, and Scripture says that you will be judged accordingly. I strenuously urge you to quit badmouthing your brothers and sisters in Christ in such an unjust manner.
May God bless you, my friend.
@@ericcarlson9885this was well said Eric. This is a delicate subject on either side of the camp. (Infants) And the rest you said there was spot on. God Bless you brother.
Our free will only takes us to a cult. He must bring us out of darkness and give us the gift of faith
@@tbuitendyk---- I'm NOT calvinist in any way shape or form BUT notice your verse you gave " which were born NOT of the will of the flesh "
Our free will ONLY takes us to a man made cult. When we all get together in heaven we WILL KNOW HE chose each one that accepted HIM as Saviour
There is no will or work of the flesh required to receive a free gift. You just hear of the gift in scripture, hearing brings faith, hearing quickens your heart (makes it alive), and then you simply receive the free gift. Calvinists totally deny the power of God's word to make dead hearts come alive.
1 Peter 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
@@TruthLewistonEphesians 2:8-9 Destroys your whole Philosophy Nonsense.
Faith doesnt come from Yourself.
Peter is the perfect example:
" Flesh and blood doesnt revealed that to you but my father in Heaven".
John 17:19.
You are blasphemous against The God of the bible.
@@DieAbsoluteWahrheit You don't know where faith comes from? Let me help you.
Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Eph. 2:8-9 teaches that salvation is a gift. Faith isn't the gift. It is the requirement.
Jesus wasn't a Calvinist. He rebuked people for not having faith. Didn't he realize that he had to gift it to them first? That's nonsense.
Mark 4:40 "...how is it that ye have no faith?"
@@TruthLewiston Your exegesis of Ephesians 2:8-9 shows me how you treat the bible.
Grace AND faith is meant by the conditional sentence.
You are twisting the scripture
The "reformists" are frustrating the grace of God. It's another gospel. Your point about them negating the power of God's Word to quicken is right on. I see that most Christians today do not believe in the inerrancy of scripture which would certainly account for this doubt of trusting the truth of Romans 10:17. Thank you for posting this important lesson.
Here are some scriptures to ponder when it comes to eternal security.
Scripture against Eternal security
Matthew 18:27-35
27Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. 28But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. 29And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 30And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. 31So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. 32Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? 34And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
Acts 27:31 abide in the ship
2 Timothy 2:12 deny us
Philippians 2:12 work out salvation
Hebrews 10:26,27 sin deliberately
Romans 11:20-24 cut off, unbelief
James 1:27. Polluted by world
Mark 9:43-48 foot, hand, eye
2 Timothy 4:7 kept the faith
Hebrews 3:14 if we hold steadfast
Colossians 1:22,23 if you continue
John 8:31,32 if you hold
Matthew 6:15. Forgive others
Matthew 18:29-35 unforgiveness
2 Peter 1:10,11. Election sure
2 Cor. 3:14,16 The veil is taken away
John 20:27 unbelieving, believing
1 Corinthians 15:2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached.
Hebrews 12:15 Be careful that no one falls short of the grace of God.
1 Tomothy 4:1-5 Depart from the faith.
James 1:12. Endure temptation.
HEBREWS 3:12-14
12Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. 13But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
1 Corinthians 10:1-12
1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. 7Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. 8Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 9Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. 10Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. 11Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
If someone believe it's "their" faith the keeps someone "in" Christ, they will be greatly awakened when they stand before the Lord.
"Grace that kept me safe this far....and grace that'll bring me home."
Trusting in your Self is NOT the salvific faith of Christ.
Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh 👉I live by the faith ....OF ....the Son of God👈, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
@@ManassehJones
2 Timothy 4:7
I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
@@mrnoedahl Can you honestly quote Gal 2:20 as your testimony?
@mrnoedahl Who is the author of 2 Timothy and Galatians?
@@mrnoedahl 2 Tim 4:7 says 3xs "I have." By whose power and faith is Paul giving glory to in saying "I have?" His own?
the thing about “joey”, is while he was being called, he never responded.
“many are called but few are chosen”
matthew 22:14
“joey” himself never called out to be saved.
”Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done.“
Romans 1:28
How many infants do you know who are capable of responding to the gospel? They're still filling their diapers, man.
God calls to people in full knowledge that they cannot respond? That's sadistic. That's stupidity. That's not holy.
I don't think I've ever heard such a misrepresentation of Reformed Theology before in my life.
@GraceandTruthChurchofAthens What was misrepresented? Your best example please.
@@TruthLewiston I'm not interested in arguing with anyone online, with all due respect. I was just stating in my comment that the Reformed Theology and Calvinistic views of God, man, justice, grace, and the gospel were extremely misrepresented by this brother as a whole. Maybe you disagree, but I believe it's ok to state my belief about this, without having to provide a defense for what I believe... at least on this kind of platform. I don't think it would be fruitful for any of us. I'm not wimping out here, by any means. I just think that this platform allows more room for strife, than for peace, and I'm more interested in peace among all my brothers in Christ, even though we may have some strong disagreements. I simply wanted to state that the beliefs of your brothers who are Reformed and/or Calvinistic (they are two different things, not one and the same thing) were very much misrepresented by this brother who preached this sermon. None of the preachers who were mentioned by name near the beginning of this sermon believe or teach what this brother claims they believe or teach. If you disagree with that, well, I'm not going to argue with you about it. God bless you. I wish you the best.
@@GraceandTruthChurchofAthensCalvinism has its own christ.
I’m a follower of Jesus The Messiah, it is impossible to cohere these two figures.
@@truthseeker5698perhaps your understanding is limited by a set of principles you refuse to break. No one is forcing anyone in reformed circles, not even by God. It may be true that your Jesus may indeed be a very different person from Christ the Lord.
@@joc4384 Jesus The Messiah I serve is much much Much different than the Christ of Calvinism reformed theology. There is no perhaps involved
Who is I and II Peter addressed to? To God's Elect......so God desires that none of the Elect should perish...and they won't because God saves ALL the Elect sheep; not one more and not one less...ALL of them. If what you believe is true and God really wants to save everyone; then you should spend 15 hours a day; every day going door to door preaching the Gospel...why do anything else? Because its not true. Jesus said, "I will build MY CHURCH!" How does God build the Church? Peter said, "Youre the Christ, the Son of the Living God!" and Jesus responded; "Blessed are you Peter because flesh and blood did not reveal that you, but it was revealed to you by My Father who is in heaven." God reveals who Jesus is only to the Elect....not everyone. Man has no free will to respond to the Gospel. He is dead in his sins. If salvation worked the way you think it does then noone would get saved...because everyone is dead UNTIL GOD regenerates us! Your free will Arminian view has ZERO chance of being true. It does not even pass the common sense test. But they hated what you call Reformed Theology in the 1st Century too....See John 6:64-66....when Jesus taught it many of His disciples no longer followed Him. So nothing new here.
No...people go to hell because of their sins.....NOT because they don't believe in the Gospel. God didn't have to die for anyone. God would have been completely just if He let everyone go to hell because thats what our sins deserve. God chose to have mercy on some; the Elect. Thats why Peter says to make sure your calling and election are sure.....2Pe 1:10 Therefore, brothers, rather be diligent to make sure of your calling and election; for doing these things, you will not ever fall.
Let me ask you a question.....did Jesus die for Hitlers sins on the cross? So whose sins is Hitler dying for now in hell? Thats why unlimited atonement makes zero sense....because that would be double jeopardy. Jesus only died for the Elect's sins on the cross....not everyones sins. Matthew 1:21 "He shall save His people from their sins." Not only that...It is truly absurd to believe that ALMIGHTY GOD wanted to save everyone and yet devised a plan where only a few would get saved....thats the nonsense you believe. Whereas I believe Almighty God saves EVERYONE that HE wanted to save; the Elect...All the Elect get saved; not one more and not one less!
You've watched too many reformed videos, and read your Bible too little.
1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
Hitler is in hell because he rejected the free gift of salvation.
Acts 7:51 "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."
The gift of salvation is accepted by faith and faith comes by reading the Bible. You should try that. Watch the video again and then watch this: ua-cam.com/video/pjBsZBdTSnM/v-deo.html
John 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
Psalm 119:93 "I will never forget thy precepts: for with them thou hast quickened me."
Psalm 119:154 "Plead my cause, and deliver me: quicken me according to thy word."
Psalm 119:156 "Great are thy tender mercies, O Lord: quicken me according to thy judgments."
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Elect is never referred ones to Salvation, in the Bible it is to service and blessings, in the book of Peter he is talking about his people the Jews.
Contexts and calvinism have never gone together.
@@daviddriedger3244 That is just stupid nonsense....2 Peter 1:10 'Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election." Paul says in I Corinthians 3 times! That GOD chose the weak things, and the despised things and the things that are not! What Bible are you reading from? You have made up your own Bible...sad and pathetic....PLEASE READ!! I Cor 1:26-31 "Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things-and the things that are not-to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God-that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”
This has to be the worst explanation of reformed theology I have ever heard. It’s beyond ridiculous. All this sermon proves is this pastor is not educated.
Ask yourselves this question.
Are you saved because of a smart decision you made of your own free will. Or because God saved you.
His idea of Gods sovereignty is ridiculous. Comparing God to mere man.
Read your whole Bible friends. God doesn’t shy away from his Sovereignty. He hardens Pharos heart? Why?
The free gift is definitely available to all. The problem is in your free will, you will NEVER choose Christ. In John it says NO MAN can come to Jesus unless the father draws him. Does he draw every human who ever lived? Did he draw hitler? If he did, then did God fail?
Could have Jesus went to the cross and man in his free will not one single person accept his gift. Was God in heaven hoping someone would get saved?
No!
Jesus said he came for HIS sheep.
You don't know the Bible.
All men can and are commanded to believe. It is our free will that gets in the way.
John 1:9 "That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world."
John 12:32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."
Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
2 Pet. 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
The Bible is what builds faith.
Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
Learn more here: ua-cam.com/video/sysigecl60A/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Yes I AM saved because of a decision I made. Of course God made the first move by deciding to give me the offer. HOWEVER are YOU saved? How do you KNOW? Calvinism says God chooses based on his good pleasure. So can you tell me exactly what pleasure he found in you? You cannot know if youre saved because you have no idea on what basis God chooses. There are 3 choices for you
1) He chooses based on works (you and I both reject that I assume)
2) He draws names for a hat
3) He saves those who place their faith in him willingly
So you see, even if calvinism were true, there is still a condition. God has a reason for everything he does, so what is his reason for choosing you? If you dont know the answer, you cant know youre saved. You could also be suffering from "evanescent grace" the calvinist notion that God tricks people into believing theyre saved, only to fond in the end they arent. That is why calvinism is the same as arminianism, for both say that if you dont persevere til the end youre lost, and neither can know if theyre saved. Both John Piper and John MacArthur have stated they will not know for sure until they die. The "sheep" you refer to were not the "elect" as youre thinking. They are those who had already believed the Father and had faith, so they were ready to accepth that Jesus was the messiah. that is why Jesus said "my sheep hear my voice" because those who had already believed God (the Father) would naturally believe the Son. None of the "sheep" were forced or predestined to believe. they believed willingly, Just as Cornelius did
@@TruthLewiston all you did was pull verses out of context
@@caman171 nope
@@brandon1967w ah the famous calvinist responses are
1) "strawman"
2) "you just dont understand calvinism"
3) "nope"
I used to feel and think the same way. I no longer even care whether it's true, or not. What I care about is that He saved me, He redeemed me, and He changed me. I want to live the remainder of my life which I had squandered, for Him. By His grace, I am no longer the rebellious, God-hating monster that I used to be. I don't even care whether I had a say in my salvation, or not. I'm just thankful that I am saved, and that I am no longer God's enemy and under God's wrath.
Good for you. Now, what will you tell the world? That most of them have no chance to have what you have? They have no choice to make?
@@TruthLewiston Of course not. I don't know who will receive the message and who will reject it. That isn't in my power any more than it is to force the decision onto them. Jesus told us to make disciples of all men and to take this Gospel to all the ends of the earth. What people do with the message is up to them, and ultimately, God already knows who will accept and who will reject the message, and I am okay with not having that knowledge, because I am not called to be omniscient. I'm called to be yielded, trusting, and obedient.
I appreciate your story explaining how all things cannot be ordained by God and yet He escapes all blame. This is absolutely true.
One can know beyond a shadow of any doubt that God does not save people by arbitrarily picking a handful while purposely damning the vast majority of men, women and children. A simple short illustration presented to me by a reformed brother is the proof.
He painted a picture of a ship that sunk and a huge boat passing by that had room to hold everyone and yet only picked up a few people while allowing the rest to perish. In any court of law that has the least amount of justice the captain of the boat would be found guilty of murder. Yet the reformed person viewed this as if God is innocent because he did not need to rescue anyone. This is the trouble with making God like a man. God's justice is so far above our sense of justice. Men commit euthanasia thinking the ends justifies the means all the time but scripture condemns murder. It is scripture that let's us understand how God saves and scripture clearly says that it is God's will that none should perish. It is scripture that teaches us the reason why God does not want any to perish. Namely love. For God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son to save whosoever repents. Thus we can say without a shadow of a doubt God does not save men this way of a special election. If God did save this way He would be obligated to save all men because God is perfect and no injustice can be found in Him. This is hard proof that God does not save in this fashion regardless of how good a con man your professor of theology is to convince you otherwise.
I do take issue that with your eternal security position on the same grounds as you stand against calvinism. You take one obscure word in scripture, like the calvinist looks at election, and make it into a guarantee while glossing over all the clear warning of finishing the race. Any person just reading scripture in context alone without being taught certain lines of thinking would come to the conclusion that a believer in Christ can make a willful decision to apostasize. The scripture plainly says this and warns us over and over on almost every page if one can give up on always sticking with systematic theology of certain denominations and just be a plain Christian. All of this man interjecting his line of thinking into scripture is not healthy and leads to error. God does not take away our free will once we are saved. Just as man does not lose his salvation on a daily basis. Man does have the ability to apostasize and the proof is that it happens all the time. Thus the warnings in scripture are real warnings and God is not a liar. To pretend that all these warning are not real is like pretending God chosing not to save a helpless person does not incriminate Him. It is the same blindness that arises from men meddling with scripture.
Great sermon. (I wish you could cut out the background noise) I went to a large Baptist church and TULIP never came from the pulpit but it was taught by one Sunday school teacher and only Calvinistic books were in the Men's Bible study. The average non-Calvinist Baptist did even know that they were being indoctrinated with false teaching.
This is a fantastic example of a straw man argument!!!
@crucifiedwithChrist_G220 How so? Best example please.
@@TruthLewiston I think J.I. Packer speaks quite well to the supposed contradiction of God’s sovereignty and man’s responsibility: “What is true is that all Christians believe in divine sovereignty, but some are not aware that they do, and mistakenly imagine and insist that they reject it. What causes this odd state of affairs? The root cause is the same as in most cases of error in the church-the intruding of rationalistic speculations, the passion for systematic consistency, *a reluctance to recognize the existence of mystery and to let God be wiser than men*, and a consequent subjecting of scripture to the demands of human logic. People see that the Bible teaches man’s responsibility for his actions; they do not see how this is consistent with the sovereign leadership of God over those actions. *They are not content to let the two truths live side-by-side*, as they do in the Scriptures, but jump to the conclusion that, in order to uphold the biblical truth of human responsibility, they are bound to reject the equally biblical and equally true doctrine of divine sovereignty, and to explain away the great number of text that teach it.” -J.I. Packer Evangelism and the Sovereignty of God
There is some mystery to how God saves men. Anyone humbly studying scripture can come to that conclusion. Yes, man is responsible for his actions. Yes, God is sovereign over salvation. Our sinful pride can puff us up and make us think we have all the correct answers and hold the only right position. Instead of mocking, denigrating, and anathematizing an orthodox Christian position, I would encourage you to sit down with some Reformed or Calvinist pastors and have some deep conversations. Unite with them in your passion to share the Gospel, rather than dividing and making enemies. My two cents brother
If thats the case, then by your theology, God decreed him to strawman and not understand
The motto of the Reformed crowd is Sola Scriptura, scripture alone. But as you point out that is not what they go by. They treat the reformers as THE church fathers when they are far from it. Like 1500 years from it.
My Brother, and Apostle, Paul, was the firstfruits of the predestined and elect, chosen in Christ before the foundations of the world, by the will and grace of God alone.
There's no "Calvinists" in heaven, just Elect sons of God.
We must learn to grapple with mystery in the study of dogmatics.
What about Job? And what about Romans 9 specifically 20-23?
The Reformed idea of Predestination is false.
ROMANS 8:22-25
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the *firstfruits of the Spirit,* even we ourselves groan within ourselves, *waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.*
24For we are saved by *hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?*
25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we *with patience wait for it.*
A Born Again Christian receives the gift of salvation by believing the gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4. He is SEALED with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. We have the FIRSTFRUITS of the Spirit. We are bought with a price and are a possession of God.(Acts 20:28, Ephesians 1:14) We are saved by Grace through Faith, YET here we are saved by HOPE in verse 24. We are Justified, but we are not Glorified...yet.
EPHESIANS 1:4-5
According as he hath chosen us in him *before the foundation of the world,* that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5Having *predestinated us unto the adoption of children* by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
I did not exist before the foundation of the world, but Jesus Christ did. He hath chosen us in Him (before the foundation of the world). This verse is another proof of Jesus Christ's always existing. We are PREDESTINED to be ADOPTED. When are we adopted? At Justification? No, at Glorification. (Romans 8:23) No sin can enter Heaven, and Paul explains How we are to be changed in 1 Cor. 15:48-53:
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49And as we have borne the *image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.*
50Now this I say, brethren, *that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.*
51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
*53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.*
To Inherit the kingdom a Christian cannot turn from sin, do works or do anything of his own power to change his corrupt flesh. God Himself changes the Christian from a creature with TWO NATURES into a glorified saint.
Romans 8:29-32
For whom he did *foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,* that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30Moreover whom *he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified:* *and whom he justified, them he also glorified.* 31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also *freely give us all things?*
Foreknown>Predestined>Conformed to the Image.
Called>Justified>PREDSTINED>GLORIFIED. Therefore FREELY given ALL Things.
Notice the absence of sanctification here.
What Known/foreknown means:
GALATIANS 4:9
*But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God,* how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
verse 8:8 *Howbeit then, when ye knew not God,* ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
God "knew" you AFTER your Justification. A Christian "knows" God, and God "knows" a Christian.
IF a man chooses to trust in Jesus Christs' death, burial and resurrection for their sins he is Justified. God foreknows you NOW, and you are PREDESTINATED to be conformed to the image of His Son. Who God Justifies He WILL GLORIFY. Your sanctification CANNOT save you or keep you saved:
GALATIANS 3:1-4
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
*3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?*
*4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.*
To think you can be conformed to the Image of Christ by the works of the flesh is heresy. Paul states that in the flesh dwells no good thing. (Romans Ch. 7) How can a Christian with sinful flesh be conformed to Jesus Christ? HE CANNOT, even if he is saved.
The First nature of the Saved Christian:
1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
v24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
verse 25: So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; *but with the flesh the law of sin.*
The Second Nature:
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his *seed remaineth in him:* and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Romans 7:17 *Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.*
verses 22,23 For I delight in the law of God after the *inward man:* But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the *law of sin which is in my members.*
verse 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. *So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God;* but with the flesh the law of sin.
COLOSSIANS 2:10-12
*And ye are complete in him,* which is the head of all principality and power:
11In whom also ye are circumcised with the *circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:*
12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the *operation of God,* who hath raised him from the dead.
God puts off the sins of your flesh in a CIRCUMCISION made without hands. Your flesh cannot corrupt your soul and spirit. This "operation" is done by God, not by a Christians attempt at sanctification.
Works cannot save you. (Romans 4:4-5)
Or keep you saved. (Galatians 3:1-4)
You are Predestined (IF you are Justified, by your faith in the gospel) to be GLORIFIED.
This poor preacher doesn't know what he's talking about. Only the Sovereign grace of God can open his eyes to the truth he ridicules.
Genesis 6:6 "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."
I think God might be changing his mind about creating you as well... You've used your free will to disappoint him one too many times.
What is he wrong about exactly?
@@TruthLewiston wow.....
Reformed Theology in general does not say that God purposly sends certain people to either heaven or hell. Notice the term in this following verse that God foreknew who would submit to Him this week would inherit this salvation. Romans 8:29-30 (ESV)
29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he
The way you are presenting this entire theology is false in itself. And you may think the way you are describing, but definitely not all do. It may be your opinion but it's not all factual.
Westminster Confession of Faith 3:3.
"By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and angels are predestinated unto everlasting life; and others foreordained to everlasting death."
@@TruthLewiston
“Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, ‘My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’; Calling a bird of prey from the east, The man of My purpose from a far country. Truly I have spoken; truly I will bring it to pass. I have planned it, surely I will do it.”
Isaiah 46:9-11 NASB1995
Amen. Great passage. Now reconcile it with facts like God repents (changes his mind based on the actions of man), pleads for all men to repent, and commands all men to repent. The only way to reconcile these things is that God 's good pleasure was to give mankind a freewill.
Jonah 3:10 "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
@@TruthLewiston you believe God changes His mind? You believe God learns?
@@Dan-qh2fv I believe exactly what the Bible says. God has predetermined responses to the choices of mankind. If Nineveh does not repent, he will judge it. If mankind does not repent, he will judge it. If repentance occurs, then he won't. The very fact that there are two possible outcomes is proof of a freewill. The reformed have absolutely no answer for this.
Jonah 3:10 "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Now....hear this...; that verse was spoken to the Jews of Peter's Day; not to the Gentile world where the Apostle Paul was commissioned to PREACH and to EVANGELIZE / proselytize!!
We need to focus on the gospels, particularly jesus teachings. Jesus says you will be able to discern by thir fruit. A good one will not tolerate the other kind. Reformed or whatever denomination. No teacher is above the master, and the true sheep listens to jesus voice. Let's focus on the gospel of God news and salvation, its the only way, the truth and life through jesus to the father. Congregants tend to trust their pastor/elders, doesn't matter what form of theologian stance. We need preaching on jesus word of teaching to dicern the spirit of truth.
Without the New birth from God,no one would turn to Christ. This man calls this truth,ABSURD!. Spiritually dead men cannot accept spiritual gifts,only those made born again are given the gift of faith.
You and James White are very confused. The Bible says the exact opposite in I Peter 1:23. Being born again is not the requirement for faith. Faith is the requirement to be born again. And how do we get faith? By hearing God's word!
Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
1 Peter 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."
@@TruthLewiston Jesus's words are Spirit and life,it's the Word that brings the new birth to God's unregenerate sheep and regenerates them while they are yet dead in sin.Eph 2:4-5,it's by GRACE that we are saved.
@@TruthLewiston 1 Peter 1:23 and Romans 10:17 are the means to Gods ends to the elect. Faith is a gift given by God and not a result of mans works. (Ephesians 2:8-9) You clearly don't know what the true doctrines of grace teach. That's why you had to burn a strawman with the train analogy. An Elder at my church sent me this to disprove Calvinism and it back fired because He realized that's not what Calvinism teaches.
Yep, that’s Calvinist. Everyone is born with an invisible tattoo on their soul. DAMNED or SAVED. From before the foundation of the world. Heartbreaking
Did God not elect us before the foundation of the world? Were our names not written on the Book of Life before the foundation of the world? 🧐
🎯🎯 Obviously, you just don't understand Calvinism🤪🤪😊😊Thanks for preaching truth.
Are You following me around the internet? LOL
Truth in Love
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Reformed people need to be transformed by the renewing of their minds. Now that’s scripture.
Awesome teaching sir 🫡
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Why are these sites so obsessed with calvin? I don't have any care about calvin and I don't know where he is now.
However, scripture tells me that I was chosen to salvation. Scripture teaches our total depravity and our rebellion against God and HIS absolute sovereignty. You cannot read the Word and not see that God is and WILL be absolutely sovereign
The scripture doesn't say you were chosen to salvation. It says believers were chosen for salvation.
God chose those who ARE in him. God did not choose some TO BE in him.
Eph. 1:4 "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"
@@TruthLewiston I was chosen to salvation because I am a believer.
As a preacher you need to quit obsessing over calvin and bow to God's Word.
If you are saved -- God chose you
@@Over-for-now If you believe you are part of the chosen because you believed, you believe in conditional election! You are not a Calvinist at all. Congratulations. The requirement to be part of the chosen group (believers) is to believe! That's exactly what the Bible teaches:
John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
@@Over-for-now My part was to use my free will to receive the free gift of salvation through faith. God did the saving. I did the believing. This isn't hard.
John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
@@TruthLewiston Well well well, you FINALLY figured out that truth that lam NOT a calvinist and NEVER claimed to be. I have been saved since the early 50s and been sealed by that Holy Spirit of promise
Well said pastor.
A few years ago, my father in law passed away at the age of 99. For several days before his death, he repeated the phrase "Now to our God and Father be glory forever and ever. Amen". The night he died, he went to sleep and the following morning, he was gone peacefully. Everybody who knew him thanked and glorified our Lord for such a blessing of how He took his life away.
But, almost at the same period of time, a two year old boy was hit by accident by his own father while taking his car out of the garage. The little child died there. Both parents were christians, loved God and their beloved precious son. This was terrible, devastating. The cry of this couple was heard almost in the whole neighborhood. Nobody we knew of thanked or glorified God for this death.
Many questions could come up to our minds about these two deaths. Did God took both lives away? Why one was so joyful and the other so sad? Why an eternal loving God could do such an awful thing to this boy and his loving parents? Does God has the control of every life and of all? Were these two deaths part of the eternal plan and will of God? Were these a result of a person's free will, luck or God's determination?
In our very narrow minds, we are not capable to understand this. Maybe we have a very limited knowledge of God's goodness and love, especially under things we don't like.
For sure, these two deaths we're under God's control, God's mercy and God's love.
Maybe, and just maybe, we have given free will a much higher value that it should have. Is God in control or we are?
Death came because of sin. But sin came because of man, not because of God.
What if the father in your story first molested and then murdered the two-year-old. Would you say God caused this to happen? That's absurd. It was man's free will.
Reformed Calvinism teaches this (Westminster Confession 3.1): "God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass..."
God allows certain things to happen because of the consequences of sin and the fall of Adam. It's not His fault, but man's sin nature. This is His permissive will. Man can not save himself. Luke 18:26-27
Even if the couple that had a 2 year old was christian, I would not change the fact that whoever was responsible to take care of the 2 year old was not attentive, one could argued that it was Gods will, but what it was not Gods will, but a human error. We want to blame God for all the bad that happens in the world. But that is the point of moral responsibility. If I go a murder someone randomly, was that Gods fault or my fault ? Someone might argue that God should have stopped me. But if he did, He will have to stopped all other wrong doings at once. And the bible says that it not going to happens until judgement day.
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I agree, calvinism is a false gospel, if calvinism were true then you would have god decreeing before creation that Israel would sacrifice their babies in fire to Baal, then god would punish them for doing that, because he never mentioned it to them or commanded them to do it, in fact it didn't even enter his mind, even though he did ordain that they would do it before creation.
And on top of that the calvinist god doesn't give you any say in the matter on whether or not you want to be with him in eternity, he essentially casts a love spell on certain people to make them love him, which isn't actually love, I'm sure a calvinist wouldn't approve of my actions if I told them I saw a good looking woman that I wanted to marry, so I cast a love spell on her to make her love me.
And of course they will defend the actions of their god, but they're only defending his actions because they're under the love spell, because remember they never wanted him to begin with.
It is good to see Godly men steelmaning and not starwmaning this doctrine that makes God the one that causes all evil, then punishes them eternal when they can't repent
Not all people in reformed churches believe how shallow you are presenting them to be that's like saying all Baptists believe absolutely the same about once saved always saved or pre trib by the way those terminologies are not found free will can be skewed, and all those preachers that you mentioned don't believe exactly the same as well on certain doctrines but yes there are some people who have a skewed version of Grace but we must understand God can do whatever He wants to.
Do you agree with the Westminster Confession of Faith? This portrayal matches it.
@@TruthLewistonI never heard of Westminster confession of until I looked it up but I believe what the Bible says that God can give someone over to a debased mind if He wants and he hardens who He wills but ! Listen to me I personally I believe that God prepared those vessels of destruction as an example for us (before) Christ came to die for all who believe, I believe those who He hardens now after Christ died on the cross deservingly get hardened because of His foreknowledge.
@jumpingjpeg4952 Why does God harden their hearts during their lives? It's because they had a chance to believe but rejected it.
If they were not elected as the Calvinists say, and are completely dead, why would God need to harden their hearts?
This too contradicts Calvinism.
@@TruthLewiston You Not even understand Total depravity.
Its Just nonsense
@@DieAbsoluteWahrheit Total depravity is not a bad phrase (though it isn't a Bible term). But what you mean is, "total inability" to receive the free gift of salvation that is available to all. That's absurdity.
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
Good grief. That was a tragic and broken misunderstanding of Reformed Theology. Such straw man arguments only strengthen the faith of a reformed person in their understanding of scripture’s clarity on how some are chosen, called, predestined, drawn etc, by God and some are not.
One of the incredible things about God’s wonderful grace, mercy and love is in the fact that he saves any at all!! None of us deserve salvation. NONE. People miss this constantly. They think too highly of their goodness, too little of the deep significance of their sin, and completely miss the great holiness of God in doing so. You were a corpse before you were saved. You could not choose God anymore than a corpse could reanimate itself. Moreover, your/our sin nature preempts any human desire to seek after God anyway. Even if your spiritual corpse could reach out for God, our sin nature precludes our desire to, absent God’s calling and drawing of us to Him. You compliment yourself too much to think you chose God of your own will. If you are in Christ, it is because God has drawn you to Himself (read John 6, especially the second half).
It would seem this man’s animosity toward reformed theology framed his entire lack of objectivity toward it. He built a straw man, then proceeded to argue against it. 😢
Please reconsider the predestination language in John 6, Romans 8 & 9, and Ephesians 1, to name a few, but honestly it is throughout the entirety of scripture.
Ya'll keep saying it's a strawman but you don't point out a single evidence of this. And if one reads the Westminster Confession of the Faith, they will see the analogy is spot on.
We have already addressed the predestination language. It is speaking of corporate election. God elected all of those "in him." He chose a group -- believers.
And you, like all Calvinists, do not appreciate the value of the Bible. It is what quickens hearts (makes them alive) and gives faith. This is why every "elect" person you have ever met was someone exposed to the Bible. It isn't a coincidence.
God commands and wants all men everywhere to repent. Only a maniacal villain would command someone to do something they could not do. This is not the nature of God as shown in the Bible.
Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
2 Pet. 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Yes, all men are dead in trespasses and sins before they're saved (Eph. 2:1), however, the word of God has the power to breathe life into any soul that is willing to seek God. The Bible has the power to make alive. Calvinists deny this. Note: "quicken" means to make alive.
John 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
Psalm 119:50 "This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me."
Psalm 119:93 "I will never forget thy precepts: for with them thou hast quickened me."
Psalm 119:154 "Plead my cause, and deliver me: quicken me according to thy word."
Psalm 119:156 "Great are thy tender mercies, O Lord: quicken me according to thy judgments."
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
Rom. 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
I Pet. 1:23 "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever."
2 Tim. 3:15 "And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus."
1 Cor. 1:18-21 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."
Heb. 4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."
AMEN
The Reformation was GOD's work. Now all comes against it. Decisional Regeneration started in 1800 with Charles Finney. Before that all preaching was reformed. Like Charles Spurgeon. Millions came to faith in Christ. His preaching was for lost and fallen humanity. Never Lost is Never Saved.
Typical reformed. accuses of misrepresenting then either says nothing else or fires off verses with no explanation or context.
@toniespastafresca That says absolutely nothing. Do you not think that every single theologian and exegete and whatever thinks absolutely the same about their own views whether reformed or otherwise? The quoted statement is empty of meaning, meaning that only the view of me and those like me is correct. It is as empty as saying one is a biblicist. That seems like the Spurgeon quote that Calvinists throw around like it’s conclusive without stopping to consider that Calvinists are a small minority (10-15% depending on where you look) of a Christianity that has a variety of views.
Yep, that's Calvinism in a nutshell. Their God is not the God of the Bible.
No, this is a gross and rude misrepresentation of Reformed Theology and the God is the Bible.
Reformed calvinism synthetic theologies leeching off the scriptures.
Sola de another gospel.
Jesus saved 100% of those He died for and one day,all will know this.
Who all did he die for in this verse? What does the word "all" mean here?
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
@TruthLewiston He died For not only Jews but Gentiles too,but not all Jews and Gentiles, only the Elect Jews and Gentiles. When you take all the salvation verses together, you find that Jesus died for MANY of all men.
@@TruthLewiston Simply put, all men represented in Adam are condemned. Likewise, all men represented in Christ are justified. All those in Adam will be condemned. All those in Christ will be granted eternal life. Each all is as comprehensive of its representative head.
You may also want to distinguish, as many of the reformed do, between the sufficiency of the atonement and the efficacy of it. Christ's death was abundantly sufficient to expiate the sin of every member of Adam's posterity. Because of this, those who perish do so by their own fault since they rejected Christ offered in the Gospel.
The atonement is limited by its decreed design and the rejection of it through unbelief as that decree works out in time, not by its worth.
@@TruthLewistonRomans 5 is about Adam’s federal headship but again you don’t care for context.
Behold the Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world.....wait,... I mean of a privileged few.
“What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?”
Romans 9:14-24 NKJV
Could I get your thoughts??
Sure. Thanks for the question. Pastor Logan did a full video on Romans 9 here: ua-cam.com/video/sysigecl60A/v-deo.html
Imagine trying to explain the works of God by using a silly human analogy. What a small view of God. Romans 11:33-36. (I was predestined to type this :) )
No, the analogy explains reformed theology. The Bible explains God, and we quote plenty of it. Including this verse. Please tell me, what does all mean in it?
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
Thank you for this. It is brilliant. Imagine, people believing this diabolical doctrine. But they do.
Its unbiblical Nonsens.
Calvinism is the Gospel. If you have an issue with calvinism you have an issue with the Gospel.
Faith is A Gift of God.
Ephesians 2:8-9
Why doesnt everybody believe in Jesus Christ?
You have No answer
@@DieAbsoluteWahrheit That's terrible exegesis. Salvation by grace is the gift. Faith is the requirement.
Think about it... Jesus Christ's earthly ministry is full of examples of him rebuking little faith and marveling at much faith. I guess he didn't get the memo that God (He) gave them the faith in the first place)?
The truth is, faith comes by hearing the word of God. Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." This is how anyone can be saved.
@@TruthLewiston You know the text in greec? It literally says that FAITH and GRACE both doesnt come from you. its checkmate
@DieAbsoluteWahrheit If you could spell Greek correctly, you would be more convincing.
Reformed is a misnomer. Calvinism is an anti-gospel.
Also known as a "Doctrine of Demons" " Another Gospel" "Deformed Theology"
Skip 0:00 - 6:30, unrelated story telling.
After 6:30 The speaker goes into his point.
From what I am gathering is that he is challenging “Predestination”. His argumentation starts with an emotional plead for 3 minutes without Biblical basis e.g. without opening the Bible. Although, he promised that he would use the Bible later.
After 10 minutes of Prologue, still no Bible verses. He still uses emotional triggering words such as “maniacal God of theirs [Reformed Theologians]”
13:38 From this point, he started opening the Bible with 2 Peter 3:9
If I was this Pastor, I would outline how Reformed Theologians defend this doctrine of Predetermination and Predestination [and any other doctrine that needs to be challenged]. Then attack each scriptural foundation with other scriptures to counter it, if they are even available.
Moreover, personally I would rather approach for example a Dr. Baucham first and reason with him with my rebuttal/research before going out to the public like this. However, and again, this is just me, this is my personality.
@@deusx.machinaanime.3072 If you disliked this video, you'll really hate this one: ua-cam.com/video/pjBsZBdTSnM/v-deo.html
@@TruthLewiston Please control your tongue.
We are all under the same God.
It is our understanding and what we each accept as Truth that are different and separate us.
Therefore, please do not put our God’s name in vain or you will be paying for it later.
@@deusx.machinaanime.3072 Where did we use God's name in vain?
@@TruthLewiston Watch your own video. Maybe you missed something.
Would you debate the reformed pastors you named?
Gladly.
@@TruthLewiston you should contact them and arrange for a debate
@@saab952001 They'd probably only do it if enough people called for it. Please help us make the case! Contact them too!
This entire sermon is heretical!
What does the word "all" mean in this verse?
Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
Skip 0:00 - 6:30, unrelated story telling.
After 6:30 The speaker goes into his point.
From what I am gathering is that he is challenging “Predestination”. His argumentation starts with an emotional plead for 3 minutes without Biblical basis e.g. without opening the Bible. Although, he promised that he would use the Bible later.
After 10 minutes of Prologue, still no Bible verses. He still uses emotional triggering words such as “maniacal God of theirs [Reformed Theologians]”
13:38 From this point, he started opening the Bible with 2 Peter 3:9
Who are you to talk back to the Calvinist god? If your Golden Calf ordained this sermon, you should praise and worship your Calvinist god for it
What would have been an honest thing for this pastor to do was after reading the Westminster Confession on God’s eternal decree, he would steel man their view by quoting the scripture passages they use to defend it. Instead, he defines their view wrongly then reads passages that seem to argue against the straw man he created. Quite dishonest.
Your mom.
A slight correction is needed. The reformers were Augustinian. These views started with him and extended with the reformers.
Although I am not a Calvinist I have watched half of this video so far but have noticed other things that needed correction .
OK. What?
@@TruthLewiston Firstly let me say that I agree with much of what you say but the things that I disagree with are ( from having viewed the first half) 1) concerning animals ... the original language of scripture tells that animals are Nephesh (which means living soul) and that they have spirits ( Ruach) and 2) I am convinced that man's will doesn't trump the will of our Heavenly Father whose love is over all of His creation and who is all wise, all powerful and who is LOVE.
@@TheHumbuckerboy Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Here's a quick response: (1) Mankind was created in the image of God, animals were not (Gen. 1:27). This is not talking about the physical image of God as God is a spirit (John 4:24). Therefore, the image of God must have more to do with a freewill soul that lives forever as covered in the video. (2) God's will does trump our will. And it just so happens that God created mankind with a freewill and decided that all those who believe in Christ will have eternal life, and those who reject Christ will face eternal damnation. The rules were made by God, and now the decision is ours. The second half of the video covers this in more detail.
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Calvin went back to the doctrines of the early church like Chrysostom not just Augustine. Against the Heresies of the Pope church, not against Arminius. it was 60 years after Calvin that Arminius came with his heresy. All writings of Arminius were forbidden in Holland and never published in Dutch. First edition in English was published in 1825AD His writings were in Latin but not published. I say pope church because Catholic means Universal Christian.