That's exactly what happened to me. I when I was first saved, I attended Young Life, which doesn't get too deep in the scripture one way or the other regarding Calvinism, but I was reading the Bible for myself about an hour a day for two- and one-half years before I even started attending regular church. I'd been a Christian 7 years by the time I found myself under a pastor who believed Calvinism. I knew it was wrong.
The Bible has never led anyone into calvinism. Commentaries, studies, and sermons by calvinists lead people to change the way they look at scripture, re-interpreting scripture for man's doctrine.
Totally wrong. I came to Reformed/Calvinist understanding of salvation reading the Bible as a teenager. I had no clue about Calvin. BTW, I asked AI ChatGPT: "According to the Bible, how can a sinner living in hatred of Jesus Christ use her/his "free will" to choose Christ for salvation?" Obviously, voting for Calvinism (Biblical Sovereign Grace Salvation theology, conservative Biblical Reformed Protestantism): ChatGPT said: "ChatGPT This is a profound theological question that touches on the nature of free will, human depravity, and God's grace. According to Scripture, a sinner living in hatred of Jesus Christ cannot, by their own unaided "free will," choose Christ for salvation. Let’s unpack this in light of biblical teaching: 1. Human Nature in Sin The Bible teaches that humanity, apart from Christ, is in spiritual bondage to sin. Romans 3:10-12: "None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one." Ephesians 2:1-3: Sinners are described as "dead in trespasses and sins," walking according to the course of the world and under the influence of the devil. A person in this state does not naturally desire God or His ways; their will is enslaved to sin (John 8:34). 2. Hatred Toward Christ John 15:18-25: Jesus states that the world hated Him before it hated His followers. This hatred stems from sin and rebellion against God. Romans 8:7: "For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot." A person who hates Christ is spiritually blind and unable to recognize their need for a Savior (2 Corinthians 4:4). 3. God's Sovereign Grace While human beings cannot, by their own free will, choose Christ, the Bible teaches that God works through His sovereign grace to draw sinners to Himself. John 6:44: "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him." Ephesians 2:4-5: "But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ-by grace you have been saved." 4. The Role of the Holy Spirit The Holy Spirit convicts sinners of their sin and opens their hearts to the truth of the Gospel. John 16:8-11: The Spirit convicts the world concerning sin, righteousness, and judgment. Acts 16:14: The Lord opened Lydia's heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul. 5. Faith as a Gift The ability to believe in Christ is itself a gift from God. Ephesians 2:8-9: "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast." Philippians 1:29:" For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake." 6. God Changes the Heart Through regeneration (being born again), God transforms the sinner's heart, enabling them to respond to Him in faith. Ezekiel 36:26-27: "And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh." John 3:3-8: Jesus emphasizes the necessity of being born of the Spirit to see and enter the kingdom of God. Conclusion A sinner living in hatred of Jesus cannot choose Christ by their natural "free will" because their will is bound by sin. However, God, in His grace, works to draw sinners to Himself. Through the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit, God grants a new heart and faith, enabling the sinner to turn to Christ for salvation. This truth highlights the depth of God’s mercy and the power of His grace in saving those who are otherwise unable and unwilling to come to Him."
The fact that these people are standing firm on the teachings of a man (Calvin) while shrinking from the Word of God which taught us the true gospel of grace through the blood of Christ, says everything. When they start preaching Calvinism, RUN!
Ha, I kept running into it and bouncing off because it wasn't really presented as Calvinism, it was only the stealthy version that didn't seem to make sense with free will.
I've finally realized what Calvinism is about, its about defending Calvinism not the Bible. You have to follow their thought process to understand what they believe. If you just read the Bible you never will. It's like going down the rabbit hole, theology in a tube. You can't argue with them, because they can't see out of their hole. The Bible is a Narrative, God's Story, from Genesis all the way through to Revelation. We have an invitation to be part of it. Calvinism is a usurper that tries to impose it's own ideas on to the message, completely ignoring the story.
I was raised "Independent" Baptist which is Augustinian"Anticalvinism"..The reason I became Calvinist however was because I was raised believing in particular penal substitution which is held by independent freewill Baptists also and naturally agrees with Calvinism on particular salvation by particular substitution. It really doesn't matter if GOD's faith or your faith activates the particular salvation if GOD hates before He loves and cannot love before payment there is little difference between the two sides of the coin no matter how much one wishes to bicker.
@@joshualeibrant3443 It matters to the degree you perceive God. PSA is nowhere found preached as the Gospel in the NT What God hates is sin and the attitudes of the heart. God wrath rests upon those who cling to those, because they cling to them not because He hates them. Jesus died to save us from sin and therefore death. i.e. God loves us, for God is Love. And knowing that is knowing Him and His Love personally.
Thank you for this great post. I grew up in Holland where Calvinism is very strong. Was15 when my family immigrated to Canada. And our family joined a similar church. Finally after some 28 years, hearing a sermon on Pentecost, and the man preaching said clearly that he did not know about the Holy Spirit, right after that said that not all “believers” are filled with the Holy Spirit. My antlers went up! I grabbed the Bible in front of me and it fell open on Romans 8. Verse 9 reads: Those that do not have the Holy Spirit are not one of mine! After I confronted him by sending him the full sermon, the first time he saw me, he said: see, I did not say that. I then asked him if he had read his sermon. He replied: I did not have that in my notes! My response to him was: I don’t care about your notes, it is about what you said in the sermon. He turned his back to me. This happened some 28 years ago. Until this date my husband is still angry for me leaving”his wonderful church”. I am in a Christ centred church now, and taught that God loves me! So thankful.
Wow. I am sick of people saying that we don't know the Bible because we don't agree with their false gospel. I have over 30 years of Bible reading and study behind me and I never came to a Calvinists conclusion of scripture.
@@JakesVandenHeever-y8q The Gospel is plain to understand. Anybody can understand the Gospel. If you believe the Gospel, you have the Holy Spirit. The Gospel is the very foundation that everything else is built on. If it isn't your foundation, you will definitely get it wrong. Most people make works or knowledge their foundation. That is like building your house before laying the SURE foundation, and it will fall.
Steve Lawson is employing such shady marketing tactics and just sprinkling words like "grace" all over his speech as if he's got a monopoly on the word in the discussion. Rhetoric doesn't make the theology any more or less "gracious" in the real world. It's just turd-polishing and the intelligent folks will see it a mile away.
So why did he if it was already hard? Why further harden it? Why did God ordain Pharoah to be born exactly where he is, precisely how he would think, his character, his experiences to lead up to his heart hardening? That is scripture example of God knowing exactly was going to happen before he made Pharaoh. Are you saying the fact your own salvation in Christ only exists because you didn't harden your own heart? So you obtained God's grace? You are now basically saying that God doesn't distribute to who he chooses to receive his Grace. Somehow you are now sovereign in choosing God? God clearly knew you before you were born. He predestined you to be exactly where you are.
@@colt4531 “Are you saying the fact your own salvation in Christ only exist because you didn’t harden your own heart..” That’s what they’d probably believe. They walked in faith and are granted a reward. They have a desire for God and a desire against God, and if they desire God currently, being actively repentant, walking well enough, then if they die in that state they will be rewarded life by the Spirit given to them in heaven. I think no matter what, God created the world knowing some wouldn’t enter the kingdom, and in their view he would’ve had to make the world and watch events play out to which he knew (but clearly he still determines stuff, and chose Israel to be the blessed nation that knew him, not the other nations). Some people wouldn’t come to knowledge of Jesus, some would reject the knowledge, some would have sufficient knowledge brought fourth their way or grew up in the right circumstances and continually desired God adequately enough until death. Even if that view is correct, from the beginning God makes people who wouldn’t have faith, and those who would. God saves those who would have faith, and leaves those who don’t in condemnation, designating them to the lake of fire. I’m just not sure how Jesus’s death was so sufficient to the semi-pelagianists that during Gods time with his people they constantly turned on him in a nation built for him, while he was present with them, but for 2000 years somehow people remain faithful when all that has come to pass. Did God think of the perfect way to design the world and know there would be Noah with faith. What about Elijah and those with him? Or did God influence them enough, enticing their will to become faithful? If that option, then why does he not do the same for everybody, and why can he do it for one? Did God know that his sacrifice on the cross would be the thing to make peoples wills more approachable to him somehow?
@@colt4531 Enough with your terrible Calvinist-tainted Socratic method. Answer the question. According to you, Pharoah was incapable of anything other than disobedience, so why did God harden his already-hardened heart?
Will heaven be full of people glorifying themselves for their wisdom or good choices ? We see the saints glorifying the Father and His Son for what they did to redeem wretched blind sinners.
@45Nasman saying i choose to believe in God is not glorifying one's self but giving Glory to God because I am created to have fellowship with God through Jesus Christ the Son of God. Living to and for Christ is what gives Glory to God. Doing good works through Christ is what gives God Glory.
The more I listen to these men, the less I hear Christlike humility and the amazing love, patience, grace and mercy of of a sovereign God. John MacArthur "Well, I was looking at the internet the other day and some wistful girl said " how I became a Calvinist and left Calvinism" Well the sophomoric comment like that from somebody who should keep her thoughts to herself, because she has no idea what she is talking about, is to be measured against some one, who for 50 years, has taken every text of the Bible and put doctrine into that text and see if it survives, and I can say that it has." . A Question posed to Phil Johnson. "Is it fruitful, in your estimation to retroactively throw out all of a teachers ideas/thoughts and writings due to character flaws? Is there a limit." Phil's reply " Like I said earlier there are certain cases where I might look at my library and purge some guy's books you know. I tend not to do that with people who are already dead and buried, you know, people who in these days want to throw out. Not just RL Dabney, but George Whitfield and Johnathon Edwards and all the Puritans, and if you do that, what doctrine are you going to be left with." Of course there are many more but these struck me as odd. John MacArthur saying he spent 50 years putting doctrine into the text, and Phil Johnson claiming that without people like RL Dabney, what doctrine would we be left with. Well pardon my obviously warped understanding, but I thought we were supposed to exegete the text, not eisegete the text. And I thought, in my obvious ignorance, doctrine actually came from the Bible it's self.
Interesting how these ostensibly expert exegetes elevate the teachings and interpretations of men like Augustine, Calvin, the Puritans, etc. and elevate these to the level of Scripture. Frighteningly similar to the Scribes and Pharisees
YES. That was my exact reaction as well. The comment ,"without people like RL Dabney, what doctrine would we be left with." Says it all IMO. It could be restated; "without people, what doctrine would we be left with." and have the same meaning. Scripture must always be the authority. The problem with which Calvinists constantly battle is this; their 'doctrine' runs into too many passages in scripture which directly oppose it. And those which 'seem' to support it at first blush do not when examined in proper context. Rather than viewing scripture in harmony with God's character, Calvinists find themselves boxed into a system of beliefs which force them to constantly defend the God they worship from it's own claims. And their only defense is "we know God is good.... we just can't explain "how" he is."🤦🏻♂ Dr. Flowers just posted a short vid(EXCELLENT) on 7 points consistent with 'questionable' doctrines which he came across. It's generic, not specific to Calvinism... But the similarities are unmistakable. ua-cam.com/video/DPyTQ4xU2ws/v-deo.html
appeal to you, brothers,a by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. 11For it has been reported to me by Chloe’s people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. 12What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” 13Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I belong to Sproul, I belong to White, I belong to Flowers. This has always been a serious pitfall. 2 Timothy 4:3 likewise helps appreciate the problem. The "Good News" is very difficult to locate when it's so much about personalities and debates and "likes" and paid subscriptions.
@@AnArborReal_Life I can appreciate and share your desire to see Christian brothers "get along". Scripture says they will know us by our Love. That's not a 'new' idea. I'm curious to know what your position is regarding how to identify the "Gospel" message you seek. And if you have found it in the claims of Calvinism's "Doctrines of Grace" commonly recognized as TULIP?
@@scottsimpson9506 being willfully ignorant of anything doesn’t comport with calvinism. Not sure who you are addressing or what you are saying exactly but being willfully anything doesn’t make sense within Calvinism.
It's so bizarre how all of these Calvinistic doctrines that are supposedly just "the Bible," aren't found ANYWHERE in the actual Bible. John Calvin's theological conclusions aren't the Bible. Same with Augustine or any church father.
"Because they don't know the Bible." This implies that they alone have superior knowledge compared to those who deny Calvinism. But it's an argument without any merit whatsoever. The same could be said by the opposition. "Why do you Calvinists embrace Calvinism?" "Because they don't know the Bible."
Grace and Peace to you. Would you like to be included in our Theology Group chat on a different platform for further discussion? The group an assortment of people with various theological beliefs and backgrounds. What we all have in common is a desire to discuss the bible, religion and Christianity. It's a good opportunity to witness to non-believers and fellowship with believers.
The scary thing I’m realizing is that they pressure and guilt you into accepting Calvinism like: “God chose you, you better be grateful. Don’t worry about the reprobates, just be happy you were chosen and leave the mysteries of God’s will to God.” And then if you have reservations and think Calvinism seems wrong or unbiblical, you then worry that maybe you aren’t elect because you can’t understand the “things of God.”
Nearly the exact phrasing wording presented to me in youth Sunday school in a reformed presbyterian church @ 35 years ago. The belongingness was very much based on adherence. The effort ,energy ,and focus was to persuade one to accept calvinism/reformed was pressure packed . Friday night youth group was often RC Sproul vhs or teaching elders doing similar . Fortunately I had and deeply needed my relationship with Jesus before the indoctrination attempts began.
@@keith3362 🎯 Leighton's new short video focuses on this exact thing; ua-cam.com/video/DPyTQ4xU2ws/v-deo.html "7 Marks Of A Questionable Doctrinal System" It's not a list specifically directed at Calvinism...but it so perfectly describes it.
You have as much to do with your Salvation as your physical birth from your mama's womb. You didn't contribute a thing to it, and neither to your Salvation. Calvinism gives all glory and all sovereignty to God.
@@keith3362What is salvation? It is a spiritual birth from above. Outside of God's Grace, you have no will or desire or capability for your physical birth, how much more do you have to do with your spiritual birth from heaven? Calvinism gives all grace and all glory to God, And you are attempting to take away God's Glory by claiming 'free will.'
I was in a “reformed” Calvinist led Church. I really didn’t know much about it. When the Pastor basically recommended James White to me I stumbled across him agreeing that God decrees child rape. I was appalled and disgusted and went on a deep dive into searching out the depths of Calvinism. I was astounded at what I found. I left that Church but not before giving everyone ample reasons why. Calvinism is Satanic and one of the most dangerous and deceptive cultish heretical systems to ever plague the Church’s
Notice the dissonance in Lawson's answer. Why would a christian reject Calvinism? He should've simply said: "because God decreed that they should reflect"!!!
Those beliefs are not needed to trust in Christ Jesus and His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of our sins; which is the Gospel that we are saved by placing our faith in that we read in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
@@Adam-gm5tm ??? Calvinism teaches the OPPOSITE!! You get regenerated FIRST, and THEN have faith in Christ! Study to show thyself approved before you correct others please.
My struggle with the reformed theology is that it's rather fatalistic akin to Islam's view of God. Everything is up to God. Is if a child crosses the street and gets hit, that's God's will! So if I'm bankrupt now and struggling financially, it's not because I made a wrong move in life, but it's what God ordained for me to suffer from.
Don't forget Calvinism is just one of several branches of theology that came out of the Reformation. Some other groups, such as the Moravians, did not (I think) adopt the deterministic type theology of Calvin. Calvinists today tend to claim the term "Reformed theology" only for themselves, but I don't think this is accurate. Lutherans, Anglicans, etc. also came out of the Reformation.
I also came across the video where Sproul made the comment that Arminians are barely saved. I was shocked to put it mildly! In his book " Chosen By God" Sproul places all Non Calvinists as Arminian. I'm not Arminian, so now what do I do! I am a member of a conservative Calvinist denomination. After doing much research into this doctrine, I am really struggling on how I can worship in this church which holds to such a belief system!
I have been looking for years for someone who points out that calvinism is gnostic and that it does not allow people to be true image bearers. You did both in one video.
Apparently the church fathers, outside of Augustine, were ignorant of the Bible. They only defended and died for what they believed in but they didn't know the Bible.
…and these anti-nicene christians died for faith, while augustine advocated violence in faith matters… as well as the medieval augustinian John Calvin… as our Lord taught us - by the fruits you will now them…
Indeed… Concerning augustinian calvinism without going to much into dispute a quote from john calvin himself from the wikipedia article “augustinian calvinism” John Calvin wrote, "Augustine is so wholly within me, that if I wished to write a confession of my faith, I could do so with all fullness and satisfaction to myself out of his writings."[3] "This is why one finds that every four pages written in the Institutes of the Christian Religion John Calvin quoted Augustine. There are some other quotes from other reformed there too on augustinian calvinism. Using that only for purposes to refer to augustinianism as a broad stream in which calvinism seems to be one branch of or a development. If one prefers other definitions no problem…
God doesn’t force us to Love him. No Christian is a Christian against their will just like any God hater is content with it. The free will aligns with that persons nature. I didn’t choose Christ. He chose me. How could I save myself? I’m not that smart or special. God lifted the veil. Allowed me to see and feel his Holy Spirit. I believe if you accept Christ you are elect. That will was instilled in us. 1peter 1 7-9 the negative I went thru prior was for my human nature to understand and see that it’s all from Him. Even my righteous acts are filthy rags. Isaiah 64:6. The mysteries cannot be explained or completely understood. God tells us this. The Trinity, Creation. Who created God? Is the Devil able to beat God or does God allow Satan? If you say Satan controls the evil then it implies God is helpless to stop it. I’d rather like to think God knows best when it comes to Human fairness as we all are sinners and deserve Hell.
@@ReformedView717 Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
@@fantasia55 this is absolutely false, and you know it! Does Islam believe in a Triune God? That Jesus was God and died on the cross for sins? That He rose on the third day? That believing on Him and Him alone (and not works) is what saves??
@josephgarrett3075 Predestination and God hating people and Scripture not being a creation of the Church, among other things, are from Islam. And many Calvinist preachers, such as James White, emulate imams.
@@fantasia55 Predestination is the Bible and existed 600 years before Islam. Now, we may disagree on the nuance/nature of the predestination, but to assert that it came from Islam is majorly incorrect. God doesn't owe love to anyone, and He hates sin and condemns unbelieving sinners. This is not even a Calvinistic take, and again- in Scripture hundreds or years before Islam came around. " Scripture not being a creation of the Church " Huh??? What does this have to do with anything? Plus, it IS true that the Church did NOT create Scripture (and that has nothing to do with Islam). Scripture came from God. Early Christians just recognized it as such but they did not create Scripture. You did not address my comments above and how it shows the vast difference between the two. And James White does not emulate imams.....have you not seen how he debates Muslims and does so with conviction? Correcting them on their false claims of Christ? Why are you being dishonest friend?
It's honestly baffling now to hear the circular reasoning, the strawman arguments, the ad hominem, the cognitive dissonance, the insecurity, the bravado, and all the various ad hoc improvisations over the text... these people talk in a way that betrays their lack of real heart belief in their unlivable systematic, and the cognitive dissonance is clear. And when I remember that for a time I considered this systematic believable, I feel all the more terrible for those beloved brothers and sisters caught in its contemptible web. Calvinists charging others with heresy loudly enough, for long enough, has been the cruel and vapid tactic God's enemy has used to bully millions into assent. May God grant all good success to your channel and those of all the others pushing back against this - they might not share their platforms with us - so we will have to build our own, for their sake and the sake of all who have ears to hear.
I understand why someone would disagree with the specific teachings, but there is no way to say that the idea or application of grace is missing from the "doctrines of grace". No one deserves salvation and God graciously brings sinners to Himself thru Christ. Nothing of themselves. What could possibly be more gracious?? God would have been just and righteous to leave all of us in our sin and send everyone to hell, but He didn't. He sent a Savior and is gracious to save sinners. Calvinists (and non-Calvinists) believe this wonderful truth about God. Certainly feel free to disagree with Calvinism brother (or sister), but don't deceive yourself and think that grace is somehow missing from its teachings.
@@josephgarrett3075Lordship Salvation erase completely the concepto from grace in the doctrine, it puts a weight on human works upon salvation as a valid evidence for it, therefore is Gnostic and not the gospel. The difference between a believer and a Calvinist is that the understanding of the gospel came as revelation from God into believers heart, as for example Peter who acknowledge Christ due to a revelation from the father into Peters heart, not due to a comprehensive human philosophical understanding, that is a sprout of Catholicism which is the secular academic approach to Christ which cause more confusion into the simplicity of Christ, Calvinism is the wrong approach to Christ, that is why is classified as Gnosticism, don't blame me, blame Augustine.
@Popexify how would you define Lordship Salvation though? My understanding is that it simply says that a person who has been supernaturally changed WILL indeed bear fruit of that heart change; neither MacArthur or Lawson would ever say you have to work to complete your Salvation or that you have to work to gain Salvation.
I was a fan of RC, MacArthur, and most of the Reformer teachers. I didn't consider myself a 5-point Calvinists but I leaned mostly toward reform theology. As I study Islam, I came to the verse in the Quran. Moses said to Adam, "because of your sin, we were kicked out of paradise. " Adam replied, "why do you blame me? It was written for me before I was created." It turned a switch in my head. I started to question the doctrine of Calvinism. This lead me to stop listening to Reformed teachers. Steven Lawson was one of whom I listened to sometime. Now I realize how arrogant he is. Thank you for your videos.
Be ause Calvinism is almost indistinguishable from Satanism. I've met actual Satinists and they where actually decent people and how they think of Satan is way more tame than the Calvinist god.
John Piper teaches (essentially) that part of the joy of the elect and the glory of God is the torture of the unelected - sort of like passing a car wreck on the side of the road and taking delight in that you yourself were not involved in that, like a “sucks for them” mentality. When I understood this perspective a lot of the arrogance and nastiness made more sense
you'd have to provide some sort of link to this message. i don't know what john piper said at any point about taking joy in the "torture of the unelected", but i've been in and around reformed churches for more than 30 years, and on not one occasion have i ever heard anything like this preached, taught, espoused or even spoken about casually........by anyone. every reformed christian i've known is willing to acknowledge god's sovereignty in everything...to include who he chooses to extend his grace to....while humbly receiving this gift that they believe they, by the very shared fallen nature of adam and eve, are neither worthy of, nor would choose on their own. and what's more, they also acknowledge that they could not possibly know who else god chooses to extend his grace to, and that they are actually called....each and every one....to be used by god to bring his people to himself. though i know not all will be saved, i still am led by the holy spirit to offer heartfelt prayer for the salvation of all.
Thank you for this video. I am grateful to you for making this stand for the truth regarding Calvinism. I came to an awareness about 2 years ago that I was attending a church that was Reformed 'Calvinist', and having done my own research into the five points of TULIP Calvinism, I couldn't support the leaders of the church with a clear conscience anymore and I left. I have found the books What Love Is This? by Dave Hunt and The Dark Side Of Calvinism by George Bryson to be particularly helpful in exposing the theological problems caused by TULIP, Calvin's false definition of predestination, his promotion of gnostic Augustinianism and his evil persecution of those who opposed him in Geneva 👍
@@blessedjohn Thanks Blessed John, yes I have benefited greatly from S101 these past couple of years, not just in the teaching but also in the grace & humility that Leighton extends to those who insist on Calvinism being the gospel 👍
I think people understand how preposterous it is to believe that God's sovereignty is threatened by the REAL Gospel. It was God, Who in His sovereignty, chose to elect and predestine those who believe unto salvation and not the other way around.
8:35 - thank you for clarifying "with specificity" because it's such an aggravating red herring that Calvinists say we all ontologically have an evil nature anyway and God lovingly and miraculously chooses to save some from that, but the sense of evil in general is NOT the main problem (it is *a* problem). In Calvinism, God PICKS all the evil desires of every individual and what they specifically are, when specifically they will have them, and how strong they are. If some guy comes up with the most disgusting porno in the world, in Calvinism, it's only because it existed in the mind of God in eternity past and for all time such that He PLANNED it Himself (and being atemporal, it's always on His mind). He's the first director of that garbage in Calvinism before any human ever conceived of it. This is the elephant in the room that should shake people off the fence, but hardens already existing Calvinists to just get more upset.
The funny thing about these Calvinists is that they're always the first to cast a stone toward false preachers lmao meanwhile They themselves are the biggest heretics!
Does anyone else get annoyed when Calvinists talk as if Arminians are somehow the opposite side of the Christian spectrum, rather than immediately adjacent. I mean, they’re basically the same beliefs (total depravity & determinism)
I rejected Calvinism because it ruined my life. I remembered how happy I was and how I loved to pray before I became infected with the doctrines of grace, and I thought Christians aren't supposed to hate their lives. I watched your vids and Leighton's vids and they helped me. In case anyone cares why I reject Calvinism.
Calvinism is wrong! Bible is so clear God came to save ALL Mankind and wishes NO ONE to parish. Why would God than choose who is to be saved and others send to Hell, total contradiction!!. God is not an author of confusion. Macarthur, Washer, Sproul and Piper are preaching a false Gospel!
I lost a friend of 40 years due to Calvinism. He has a huge library filled with books (some are hard to get and expensive) written by dead men with beards. And continuing to grow bigger. He pretty regularly told/recommended these books to me. I finally obtained one, read it, was disgusted by it, and told him. He was offended. That was the last time I've heard from him.
"Dead men with beards" made me laugh! It's a good term for the Calvinists' much-idolized "giants of the faith" they hold higher than the Bible. I call them the "DCPs" short for "Dead Calvinists on Pedestals".
Same here. After I experienced a personal tragedy an old friend called to offer his consolation. He said "well, at least you can know this is God's best for you today"🤦🏻♂ He's become a Calvinist. He now is convinced God has predetermined his favorite flavor of toothpaste from before the foundation of the world. The conversations that followed became too much, I got tired of him getting angry and hanging up every time I pointed out the inconsistencies of what he now believes God has determined him to believe. I could have just ignored them, but it was too hard... When someone continually speaks casually in ways then directly contradict what they claim is their 'core' belief the cognitive dissonance is mind -numbing.... it might even be contagious under constant exposure.🤯 A person who deals with the mentally ill 24/7 needs a break once in a while.
How does anybody reject Calvinism, or anything else, if everything is predestined? My wife’s brother-in-law is an elder in the PCA. He anathematized both me and my family for not believing that God “meticulously predestinates everything that has or will ever happen for His own good pleasure and glory.” It turns out that he was cheating on his wife with multiple women the whole time he was condemning me. It must be then that God found please in his wife saying, “Sayonara you creep.”
My Sunday school teacher said we are no more responsible for our salvation, our new birth, than we are for our first birth. Then he went on to describe how we are not only responsible but rightly damnable, for our condition at birth. No matter how hard I tried to point out the hypocrisy of his point, the harder he dig in his heels. Then he said he prays for the salvation of those who disagree with him. When he said that, I knew the conversation was over. Felt like he was trying to squash discussion - which is exactly what happened. Very sad…
We are responsible because we are born sinners, we are born of a fallen nature rebellious against Gods will. It's unescapable. God doesn't think how we think, that's why His Grace is so unfathomable, it kills our pride.
@@HispanicFromAnothaPlanet Whatever the condition of man after the fall is by God's decree. Holding man accountable for hating God 'from birth' would be the same as God hating any man for the color of their eyes or skin, about which they have no control and is only by God's own decree. For God to condemn his own creation for being exactly how he created them is antithetical to God's own nature. Cain was not born hating God, any more than was Able. There is no scripture verse or passage in proper context which ever establishes state of man "from birth" to be one which is 'unable' to respond positively to God. It doesn't exist. God was very clear about that with the very first man born after the fall. In Gen 4, God speaks with Cain specifically about his ability to choose to do well. And experience the results of is own choice, whether good or bad. God was not lying, as Calvinism must suggest in order to defend their false premise. Neither was God being disingenuous as both are contradictory to his nature. This does not suggest anything man can do will merit salvation, because God is not obligated to save anyone. But... it does confirm man is able to do what is pleasing to God. And God is merciful and able and willing to extend grace to save.
Thanks for doing this video. The Lord through the study of the Bible via the Holy Spirit led me out of the Seventh-day Adventism. And I don't want to get into another false movement.
Hmm, could you please state as to why you left Seventh-day Adventism? I believe that as a whole the Seventh-Day Adventist Church as it stands preaches a gospel that is no different than any other Protestant sect. However, I think that Ellen White herself clearly was able to differentiate between what is romanism-which is principally coercion of conscience-and understanding reality as it is. And that is by knowing the God of reality and that God through his principles upholds and sustains reality. That also means that God cannot use might or power as Zechariah 4:6 states, "not by might nor by power but by the way the Spirit works says the Lord. Sadly, many Adventists today will uphold the standard of the Sabbath but not understand the sign unto which it points. It points to the Lord as Creator and his laws are not arbitrary; His character is not revengeful, vindictive, arbitrary but his character is shown through His abundant love for humanity in sending His Son to die and rise again completing/perfecting humanity in Himself in holiness. Yet, I've noticed even as this is true, many Adventists act in part as the Jews did 2,000 years ago. They had slain the Lord of the Sabbath and yet wanted him down off of the cross before sunset so that they could keep their Sabbath. That is because they could not differentiate between the imperial Roman law system that all the governments of this world maintain control and orthodoxy which is completely alien to the tangible constants empowered by the Lord that sustain reality. I think that as Christians we ought not to hold to any “ism” whether that be Calvinism, Methodism, Presbyterianism, Baptism, Catholicism, Adventism, Episcopalianism, etc. Christ Himself said that life eternal is knowing God and that knowledge of Him is revealed in that love-outflow of benevolence-Christ had shown during his earthly ministry and shows forth now in holding back at bay the ultimate consequences that sins brings which is separation from our Lord.
Thank God for a happy inconsistency. None of us know as much as we think we know. What a wonderful day when we come to this realization. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments and his ways past finding out."
It's interesting, for me what's so humbling is that God loves everyone, who He created in His Image, and desires that all might be saved, and extends that Grace to all, even me, that has brought me true humility; in myself and towards others
@reverendronsrevelationroom1405 The God of the Bible does NOT love everyone. The scriptures are clear that Yahweh hates individuals. Psalm 11:5 The Lord tests the righteous, but His soul HATES the wicked and the one who loves violence. Psalm 5:5 God hates the worker of iniquity. Romans 9:13 God HATES Esau. There are many other verses that clearly teach that God does NOT love everyone. I hope you clearly see this.
Do you have a document for the texts that you brought to your Pastor with exegesis? I would love to use it. I will make it if you don't already have it.
Brother, I love your righteous indignation. Too many Christians today are limp wristed, afraid of offending someone else for the sake of the truth. Calvinism is nothing more than an impugning of God's character. It's as if Satan himself said to God, "you created me to fail so that you would receive all of the glory." I love how you described it as an anesthetizing of their conscience.
That doesn't make any sense. Just because you prescribe to a theological system that outlines your beliefs (Calvinism) doesn't mean that you don't have full trust in the God of that theological system. What if I told you not to follow a mere mortal man (Jacob Arminius of Arminianism) and follow Jesus instead??
Most of the Converts to Eastern Orthodoxy: 1) Are well versed in their Scripture; 2) Reject Calvinism. The Claim that those who reject Calvinism don't read or understand Scripture is HOGWASH!!!
I love your content Warren.👍 You identify the flaws of Calvinism, and help so many of us to articulate why we reject that misrepresentation of God. Please continue this great work; You are helping many of us more than you know.🙏
My issue was that it seems to me that if Christ truly died for the sins of the whole world, as the Bible clearly says, then to say that he did not is very dangerous grounds. Seems blasphemous to me.
They try to say that 'world' doesn't mean everyone because of their interpretation of more obscure texts. This itself is a problem. You do not explain obvious texts by more obscure ones; you do just the opposite. If you're making obvious texts say things they don't say, you're manipulating.
@@Myrdden71 I despise the argument that one is right because they know what it means and you don’t. They’ve studied more, so just shut up and agree cause they’re right
@@majorcajun5524 I guess I just don't understand such dogmatism bordering on arrogance on secondary issues. I can admit that I may be wrong on any secondary issue, such as how to baptise or the perseverance of the saints. I hold strong to the non-negotiables, the primary doctrines, such as are found in the early Creeds. I can be wrong on how election works, so I do not call Calvinists or others who believe differently 'heretics' or 'blasphemers' or 'semi-gnostics' or whatever. I often do not get the same consideration from them ("barely" saved, as R.C. Sproul put it once for example).
@@Myrdden71 I agree, there were even disagreements in the early church almost right away. I feel like the term “heretic” is thrown away much too loosely by some, who want to manipulate others into adhering to their own understanding of secondary issues. Maybe it is insecurity of their own position, I don’t know.
What’s worse with the limited atonement argument is Calvinists will say that if Christ died for everyone, he didn’t do a good job because there a people in Hell. Now this view is utterly blasphemous. First time I heard this was from Jeff Durbin. I was flabbergasted.
I've yet to figure why Augustinian theology hasn't been rejected by more as the Heresy it is. "Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name."
The cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy. Example, Paul Washer will say all people were either elect (Augustinian not Pauline) or reprobate before the world was created and it's an unchangeable decree and then out the other side of his mouth claim millions of people are going to Hell "because of the sinner's prayer".
You clearly didn't understand what Washer meant. Totally twisted his words like a pretzel. The point Washer is trying to make is that "the sinner's prayer" is not the means God works through evangelists to save people. When people think that someone is saved just because they did the "sinner's prayer" they are making an unbiblical assumption that is not in the Word of God. Noone is saved by just saying words, they have to have a heartfelt and true repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His work on the Cross. That doesn't contradict with Calvinism at all, Calvinism doesn't say that we can't know whether someone is or isn't saved, its just NOT OUR OWN WORKS that do the saving.
@@johnathanl8396 Re-read my comment. And I know exactly what Washer said and means, I was taught TULIP from Sunday school at a Second Reformed Presbyterian Church. I didn’t walk away from RT until around 2003.
All Christians reject Calvinism. "Christian" means "little Christ" or Christ follower. Jesus wasn't a Calvinist. You can't follow Jesus (be a christian) and be a Calvinist.
I am not sure if you the of aware have a link to to the video but but I am going to send it too because see if you it is a video of have can yogic send Offered you can are aware of this
Great video! Your articulations rejecting the concepts and finer points of the lunacy of fatalism/platonism/calvinism are spot on. Keep up the fine work! If I ever hear one of their proponents voice any anger or seem upset about any sin in society or corruption in our world I'm liable to ask why they are upset at all. I'll state that their "god" couldn't love it any more than he does and couldn't have it any other way. I may just ask, "Why do you care??!!" If that doesn't work I'll threaten to ask his wife if he told her that he was ordained to be rude to her the last time he was. We'll see how that works out...
TULIP is purpose built to remove man’s requirement to believe in Christ. T - removes our requirement to believe in Jesus (says we can’t) U - removes our requirement to believe in Jesus (says we’re already saved) L - removes our requirement to believe in Jesus (says Jesus atonement wasn’t for all sin just the chosen, back to point U) I - removes our requirement to believe in Jesus (says we can’t believe God will make us believe) P - removes our requirement to believe in Jesus. (Says God will make us preserve) If anyone has to question if their family and friends are “elect” their hope for salvation is not in Christ alone, it’s in “election”. Any teaching that takes the focus off Christ alone for salvation is a false teaching.
35:20 My reaction: "Good job, you're determined to die in hell because you're determined to sin. Such a loving God." Dude. Such blasphemy. God sending Jesus to save us means nothing in Calvinism. Why would God have to send Jesus and Jesus have to live, die, resurrect, and give us the Holy Spirit and give us commandments to follow if everything is determined anyway. This is pure nonsense.
I gotta agree with Lawson here… “Calvinism is not a secondary issue.” I mean I think I know all the common secondary issues I’m sure I can rattle at least 30 off the top of my head but unlike secondary issues, calvinism literally does funnel EVERYTHING through it… I mean just being reasonable, calvinism is not just one belief or preference that effects just a sliver of God and the Bible. I mean calvinism is a full fledged MIGHTY TOWER belief system of SEVERAL false teachings rooted in common heresies from the time of the early church and effects Christianity at its core…there’s nothing that calvinism does not touch… so can we really blame Lawson who believes that his beloved Calvinism, which is SO HUGE and CORE to his every single belief, calls it primary to Christianity? I think Lawson is actually being an “honest Calvinist” here and it would be more disingenuous of him to say it’s secondary when He so clearly holds it as primary to EVERYTHING he believes in. So honest right now … I think all the big names on UA-cam who expose calvinism call it a secondary issue and really, being honest with ourselves and really wrestling with this, how is it NOT primary? I think this is so worthy of talking about yet everyone who brings it up saying “well.. gee… this is some big heresies, I think this is primary to Christianity…” immediately gets dismissed, gaslighted, and this reasonable viewpoint gets shewed away and responded with “No! This is not a primary issue because it’s not a primary issue and it’s secondary! You are just saying that because you like calling people heretics!” At least that is what I’ve heard in the videos from a few of the big names that make videos against calvinism. But if there’s a pastor at the G3 conference in the pulpit teaching Calvinism… is he not… a…heretic? I’m not saying this with any malice whatsoever I’m only trying to be factual, I really don’t think this needs to be confusing. From the accounts of the apostles and the early church, alllllll these Calvinist claims are just textbook heresy that was unapologetically condemned for what it is and WHO was spreading it would not be received. Warren you are the only person on here who I think is even willing to publicly wrestle with this. TRUST ME I’m not completely black and white about this in that I really believe that it is possible for someone to affirm calvinism AND be saved BUT I’m struggling because I genuinely cannot see HOW this isn’t primary because it doesnt come close to any of the other actual secondary issues. Maybe it is contradictory to say “yes calvinism is a primary issue and also it is possible to affirm it and still be a true Christian .” I’m seriously willing to say that Calvinism is PRIMARY to Christianity yet it is possible to be a Christian and affirm it but you are playing with fire and you need to get out of this since this is heresy and it will poison you if not kill you!! I mean should Calvinists especially Calvinist pastors be received in Christian congregations and just shrug shoulders calling it just a difference in interpretations? Would that be “putting up” with Calvinists and doing the most common modern day equivalent to 2 Corinthians 11:4? Idk the Bible seems to take a way bigger stand in these situations, arguing that it is the more loving thing to do to make a stand! And of course I have already shared that I take dealings with Calvinist pastors and teachers very intentionally and seriously in light of Galatians 1:9. I’m so sorry if I’m being annoying and talking your ear off about this but I don’t really have anywhere else to share these concerns. I think you actually listen and have a voice in this.
This is a "prinary issue", you're just a head of the curve. In the meantime, while we wait for others to catch up, strengthen yourself. Know your enemy. Know their tactics, and know how to refute them. I myself struggled with Calvinism back in 2009. There was no Idol Killer, or Leighton Flowers back then. I walked in deception for about a year, until I learned their errors, double-talk, fallacious logical arguments and psychological manipulation tactics -- then my eyes were opened to the truth -- by the grace of God - Calvinism is Satan's Trojan Horse, deceiving the minds of the proud & naive -- They place their confidence in Calvinism, instead of Christ. Confidence is Latin for "con fide", "with faith". Only IN CHRIST is one "made alive", compared to their faith that they were made alive outside of Christ, via their doctrine of Irresisitble Grace & Regeneration.
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that ANY should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (2 Pet 3:9) I guess Calvinists don't believe clear scripture. Everyone in scripture and not in scripture has free will to sin or not and to accept Christ or not.
One of the best I have heard on Calvinism. God bless you for sharing to help those so wounded by this doctrine. You are so right in stating that reading the Bible on your own and just believing what it says you would NEVER go into this terrible false doctrine called Calvinism. The God of Calvinism is anything but a loving Savior wishing none to perish but instead hates so much that he sends almost everyone to hell forever! I have subscribed to your channel and am sharing this with friends as an encouragement and a warning . When I needed help, the book by Dave Hunt "WHAT LOVE IS THIS" greatly helped me. The God of Calvinism made me run from such a terrible God. The God of the Bible made me run into the arms of my loving Savior.
Calvinism supposedly non-Calvinism are illeterates and anti-gospel. In fact, Calvinism are the ones that are pround and arrogant. You're doing a good job in your rebuttals to Calvinism.
To be born again you must be born from above, like your physical birth, you had nothing to do with your new Spiritual birth in Christ. HE gets all the Glory, you get none of it.
@@HispanicFromAnothaPlanet Us accepting that there's nothing we can do to save ourselves and reaching out to the one who offers to save us out of His love and grace DOES NOT give us any glory. The will of the Father is that those who look to the son and believe in Him shall have eternal life. That's God's will. It is by believing that we may have life in His name. We stand in God's grace by faith. This is what clear passages say. Don't create your own doctrine out of passages that are less clear. Don't create arbitrary rules that say God is somehow more glorified if He chooses to save people not even based on faith and then forces them to have faith... that is not more glorifying. You are incorrect, and you should flee from calvinism, it is demonic false teaching that will teach you to twist scripture until you are unable to understand it. RUN.
@@HispanicFromAnothaPlanetTo be born from above is fulfilled by Jesus Christ and has nothing to do with CHOOSING to acknowledge your sins and believe the gospel. God says I did this for you and you abandon yourself and have faith in his promise.
If Lawson is correct, then I was pre-determined to oppose Calvinism. Why doesn't he just say that? Could it be he's just rebelling against his own theology ?
Calvinism doesn't conflict with your own responsibility to accept good doctrine. Just because us Calvinists believe that God is sovereign over things in this world doesn't mean God is responsible for people's incorrect beliefs.
@@johnathanl8396 Calvin himself will disagree with your statement as do other notable Calvinist scholars such as Binion. I'm speaking of the higher form Calvinist which you may not be one of them. Theistic determinism does support my previous statement however.
@@davidochiengbuoga7165 according to Calvinism doctrine, whatever good or evil wrong or right, God decreed it for me to do. Therefore I'm not only a puppet on a string, but now God is the author of sin and evil. Thanks Calvinism for making our God as one of those fatalistic pagan gods.
@@dronelocations1339 What I know is that God is not the author of sin but the devil,sin first originated from heaven with the devil before introduced on earth, before the creation of mankind.God decreed judgement on Satan.He later proceeded to create mankind to dwell on earth.However ,Satan didn't know the mind of God
If you hadn’t noticed, the moment after he said “they don’t know the Bible”, the audience at first awkwardly laughed. It really seemed like they weren’t sure if he was serious or not. To the audience it sounded silly, until the theological brainwashing kicked back in and they started to applaud.
@@IdolKiller Calvinism is like an invisible Serpent winding it's way through Christian History creating wreckage and waste where ever it takes root. Exposing it should be a priority for every pulpit in America. "Be not partakers of the Evil Works of Darkness but rather Expose them." Keep it up Warren.
I'm sure the reason why I was never a Calvinist was because when I was a new believer I read God's word instead of listening to popular preachers.
That's exactly what happened to me. I when I was first saved, I attended Young Life, which doesn't get too deep in the scripture one way or the other regarding Calvinism, but I was reading the Bible for myself about an hour a day for two- and one-half years before I even started attending regular church. I'd been a Christian 7 years by the time I found myself under a pastor who believed Calvinism. I knew it was wrong.
Same
Excellent point. I need to do the same.
The Bible has never led anyone into calvinism. Commentaries, studies, and sermons by calvinists lead people to change the way they look at scripture, re-interpreting scripture for man's doctrine.
Totally wrong. I came to Reformed/Calvinist understanding of salvation reading the Bible as a teenager. I had no clue about Calvin.
BTW, I asked AI ChatGPT:
"According to the Bible, how can a sinner living in hatred of Jesus Christ use her/his "free will" to choose Christ for salvation?"
Obviously, voting for Calvinism (Biblical Sovereign Grace Salvation theology, conservative Biblical Reformed Protestantism):
ChatGPT said:
"ChatGPT This is a profound theological question that touches on the nature of free will, human depravity, and God's grace.
According to Scripture, a sinner living in hatred of Jesus Christ cannot, by their own unaided "free will," choose Christ for salvation. Let’s unpack this in light of biblical teaching:
1. Human Nature in Sin The Bible teaches that humanity, apart from Christ, is in spiritual bondage to sin. Romans 3:10-12: "None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one." Ephesians 2:1-3: Sinners are described as "dead in trespasses and sins," walking according to the course of the world and under the influence of the devil. A person in this state does not naturally desire God or His ways; their will is enslaved to sin (John 8:34).
2. Hatred Toward Christ John 15:18-25: Jesus states that the world hated Him before it hated His followers. This hatred stems from sin and rebellion against God. Romans 8:7: "For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot." A person who hates Christ is spiritually blind and unable to recognize their need for a Savior (2 Corinthians 4:4).
3. God's Sovereign Grace While human beings cannot, by their own free will, choose Christ, the Bible teaches that God works through His sovereign grace to draw sinners to Himself. John 6:44: "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him." Ephesians 2:4-5: "But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ-by grace you have been saved."
4. The Role of the Holy Spirit The Holy Spirit convicts sinners of their sin and opens their hearts to the truth of the Gospel. John 16:8-11: The Spirit convicts the world concerning sin, righteousness, and judgment. Acts 16:14: The Lord opened Lydia's heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul.
5. Faith as a Gift The ability to believe in Christ is itself a gift from God. Ephesians 2:8-9: "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast." Philippians 1:29:" For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake."
6. God Changes the Heart Through regeneration (being born again), God transforms the sinner's heart, enabling them to respond to Him in faith. Ezekiel 36:26-27: "And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh."
John 3:3-8: Jesus emphasizes the necessity of being born of the Spirit to see and enter the kingdom of God.
Conclusion A sinner living in hatred of Jesus cannot choose Christ by their natural "free will" because their will is bound by sin. However, God, in His grace, works to draw sinners to Himself. Through the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit, God grants a new heart and faith, enabling the sinner to turn to Christ for salvation. This truth highlights the depth of God’s mercy and the power of His grace in saving those who are otherwise unable and unwilling to come to Him."
The fact that these people are standing firm on the teachings of a man (Calvin) while shrinking from the Word of God which taught us the true gospel of grace through the blood of Christ, says everything. When they start preaching Calvinism, RUN!
Thanks for your work, brother. Trying to heal from this abusive ideology.
"Like a dog returning to his vomit"
Brother, you just got a new subscriber!!!
This video is absolutely excellent,
I pray that God keep using you!
Thank you! Welcome to the channel
Lawson: I kept running at the brick wall and bouncing off
Everyone: did you choose to run at it? Or did god decree you bounce off?
🤡
Ha, I kept running into it and bouncing off because it wasn't really presented as Calvinism, it was only the stealthy version that didn't seem to make sense with free will.
I've finally realized what Calvinism is about, its about defending Calvinism not the Bible.
You have to follow their thought process to understand what they believe.
If you just read the Bible you never will.
It's like going down the rabbit hole, theology in a tube.
You can't argue with them, because they can't see out of their hole.
The Bible is a Narrative, God's Story, from Genesis all the way through to Revelation.
We have an invitation to be part of it.
Calvinism is a usurper that tries to impose it's own ideas on to the message, completely ignoring the story.
I was raised "Independent" Baptist which is Augustinian"Anticalvinism"..The reason I became Calvinist however was because I was raised believing in particular penal substitution which is held by independent freewill Baptists also and naturally agrees with Calvinism on particular salvation by particular substitution. It really doesn't matter if GOD's faith or your faith activates the particular salvation if GOD hates before He loves and cannot love before payment there is little difference between the two sides of the coin no matter how much one wishes to bicker.
@@joshualeibrant3443
It matters to the degree you perceive God.
PSA is nowhere found preached as the Gospel in the NT
What God hates is sin and the attitudes of the heart.
God wrath rests upon those who cling to those,
because they cling to them not because He hates them.
Jesus died to save us from sin and therefore death.
i.e. God loves us, for God is Love.
And knowing that is knowing Him and His Love personally.
He speaks as if he is the only one who understands anything, why does he believe he's so special. Calvanism makes my blood run cold
@@joshualeibrant3443
The only thing God hates is sin
Because of what it does to His creation
If you don't know God is Love, you don't know God
Thank you for this great post. I grew up in Holland where Calvinism is very strong. Was15 when my family immigrated to Canada. And our family joined a similar church. Finally after some 28 years, hearing a sermon on Pentecost, and the man preaching said clearly that he did not know about the Holy Spirit, right after that said that not all “believers” are filled with the Holy Spirit. My antlers went up! I grabbed the Bible in front of me and it fell open on Romans 8. Verse 9 reads: Those that do not have the Holy Spirit are not one of mine!
After I confronted him by sending him the full sermon, the first time he saw me, he said: see, I did not say that.
I then asked him if he had read his sermon. He replied: I did not have that in my notes!
My response to him was: I don’t care about your notes, it is about what you said in the sermon.
He turned his back to me. This happened some 28 years ago. Until this date my husband is still angry for me leaving”his wonderful church”.
I am in a Christ centred church now, and taught that God loves me! So thankful.
Wow. I am sick of people saying that we don't know the Bible because we don't agree with their false gospel. I have over 30 years of Bible reading and study behind me and I never came to a Calvinists conclusion of scripture.
That's because you have the Spirit of decernment. Being one of the 9 gifts they believe does not exist...duh.
@@richardpaulin6048 no, it's because if you can read and think for yourself, you can understand the Bible.
Calvinism is absolutely demonic.
You can read your Bible your whole life, and stil don't understand it, because only The Spirit can open scripture to you
@@JakesVandenHeever-y8q The Gospel is plain to understand. Anybody can understand the Gospel. If you believe the Gospel, you have the Holy Spirit. The Gospel is the very foundation that everything else is built on. If it isn't your foundation, you will definitely get it wrong. Most people make works or knowledge their foundation. That is like building your house before laying the SURE foundation, and it will fall.
"There's no good news in Calvinism" ...that hit.
Totally false. There have been many great Calvinist evangelists, George Whitefield, Charles Spurgeon, James Kennedy...
Steve Lawson is employing such shady marketing tactics and just sprinkling words like "grace" all over his speech as if he's got a monopoly on the word in the discussion. Rhetoric doesn't make the theology any more or less "gracious" in the real world. It's just turd-polishing and the intelligent folks will see it a mile away.
I would like any Calvinist to explain why God hardens already-hardened hearts, that already couldn’t obey God.
They would say, "You just don't understand Calvinism," lol
Would probably say that God hardens their hearts just as the Gospel hardens unbelievers hearts (stumbling block).
So why did he if it was already hard? Why further harden it? Why did God ordain Pharoah to be born exactly where he is, precisely how he would think, his character, his experiences to lead up to his heart hardening?
That is scripture example of God knowing exactly was going to happen before he made Pharaoh.
Are you saying the fact your own salvation in Christ only exists because you didn't harden your own heart? So you obtained God's grace?
You are now basically saying that God doesn't distribute to who he chooses to receive his Grace. Somehow you are now sovereign in choosing God?
God clearly knew you before you were born.
He predestined you to be exactly where you are.
@@colt4531 “Are you saying the fact your own salvation in Christ only exist because you didn’t harden your own heart..”
That’s what they’d probably believe.
They walked in faith and are granted a reward.
They have a desire for God and a desire against God, and if they desire God currently, being actively repentant, walking well enough, then if they die in that state they will be rewarded life by the Spirit given to them in heaven.
I think no matter what, God created the world knowing some wouldn’t enter the kingdom, and in their view he would’ve had to make the world and watch events play out to which he knew (but clearly he still determines stuff, and chose Israel to be the blessed nation that knew him, not the other nations).
Some people wouldn’t come to knowledge of Jesus, some would reject the knowledge, some would have sufficient knowledge brought fourth their way or grew up in the right circumstances and continually desired God adequately enough until death.
Even if that view is correct, from the beginning God makes people who wouldn’t have faith, and those who would.
God saves those who would have faith, and leaves those who don’t in condemnation, designating them to the lake of fire.
I’m just not sure how Jesus’s death was so sufficient to the semi-pelagianists that during Gods time with his people they constantly turned on him in a nation built for him, while he was present with them, but for 2000 years somehow people remain faithful when all that has come to pass.
Did God think of the perfect way to design the world and know there would be Noah with faith.
What about Elijah and those with him?
Or did God influence them enough, enticing their will to become faithful?
If that option, then why does he not do the same for everybody, and why can he do it for one?
Did God know that his sacrifice on the cross would be the thing to make peoples wills more approachable to him somehow?
@@colt4531 Enough with your terrible Calvinist-tainted Socratic method. Answer the question. According to you, Pharoah was incapable of anything other than disobedience, so why did God harden his already-hardened heart?
When I read the Bible. I never concluded to Calvinism. This was before I heard of Calvinism.
Try to read it more consistently and more sincerely
@eldennis the only concestinty in Calvinism is the inconcestinty it provides.
Will heaven be full of people glorifying themselves for their wisdom or good choices ? We see the saints glorifying the Father and His Son for what they did to redeem wretched blind sinners.
@45Nasman saying i choose to believe in God is not glorifying one's self but giving Glory to God because I am created to have fellowship with God through Jesus Christ the Son of God. Living to and for Christ is what gives Glory to God. Doing good works through Christ is what gives God Glory.
Calvinism has to be taught
The more I listen to these men, the less I hear Christlike humility and the amazing love, patience, grace and mercy of of a sovereign God. John MacArthur "Well, I was looking at the internet the other day and some wistful girl said " how I became a Calvinist and left Calvinism" Well the sophomoric comment like that from somebody who should keep her thoughts to herself, because she has no idea what she is talking about, is to be measured against some one, who for 50 years, has taken every text of the Bible and put doctrine into that text and see if it survives, and I can say that it has." . A Question posed to Phil Johnson. "Is it fruitful, in your estimation to retroactively throw out all of a teachers ideas/thoughts and writings due to character flaws? Is there a limit." Phil's reply " Like I said earlier there are certain cases where I might look at my library and purge some guy's books you know. I tend not to do that with people who are already dead and buried, you know, people who in these days want to throw out. Not just RL Dabney, but George Whitfield and Johnathon Edwards and all the Puritans, and if you do that, what doctrine are you going to be left with." Of course there are many more but these struck me as odd. John MacArthur saying he spent 50 years putting doctrine into the text, and Phil Johnson claiming that without people like RL Dabney, what doctrine would we be left with. Well pardon my obviously warped understanding, but I thought we were supposed to exegete the text, not eisegete the text. And I thought, in my obvious ignorance, doctrine actually came from the Bible it's self.
Interesting how these ostensibly expert exegetes elevate the teachings and interpretations of men like Augustine, Calvin, the Puritans, etc. and elevate these to the level of Scripture. Frighteningly similar to the Scribes and Pharisees
YES. That was my exact reaction as well. The comment ,"without people like RL Dabney, what doctrine would we be left with." Says it all IMO. It could be restated; "without people, what doctrine would we be left with." and have the same meaning.
Scripture must always be the authority. The problem with which Calvinists constantly battle is this; their 'doctrine' runs into too many passages in scripture which directly oppose it. And those which 'seem' to support it at first blush do not when examined in proper context.
Rather than viewing scripture in harmony with God's character, Calvinists find themselves boxed into a system of beliefs which force them to constantly defend the God they worship from it's own claims. And their only defense is "we know God is good.... we just can't explain "how" he is."🤦🏻♂
Dr. Flowers just posted a short vid(EXCELLENT) on 7 points consistent with 'questionable' doctrines which he came across. It's generic, not specific to Calvinism... But the similarities are unmistakable. ua-cam.com/video/DPyTQ4xU2ws/v-deo.html
Amen
appeal to you, brothers,a by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. 11For it has been reported to me by Chloe’s people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. 12What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” 13Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
I belong to Sproul, I belong to White, I belong to Flowers.
This has always been a serious pitfall.
2 Timothy 4:3 likewise helps appreciate the problem.
The "Good News" is very difficult to locate when it's so much about personalities and debates and "likes" and paid subscriptions.
@@AnArborReal_Life I can appreciate and share your desire to see Christian brothers "get along". Scripture says they will know us by our Love. That's not a 'new' idea. I'm curious to know what your position is regarding how to identify the "Gospel" message you seek. And if you have found it in the claims of Calvinism's "Doctrines of Grace" commonly recognized as TULIP?
I'm dying to ask a Calvinist, "You say a dead person can't respond to God because dead means dead, then how can I be "hostile to God" and an "enemy"?
I’m waiting for them to translate dead into zombie. Walking dead sermon, anyone anyone?
@@CCiPencil💀💀 best reply
@@scottsimpson9506 being willfully ignorant of anything doesn’t comport with calvinism. Not sure who you are addressing or what you are saying exactly but being willfully anything doesn’t make sense within Calvinism.
I don’t see how this question makes sense.. the hatred towards God and hostility are the indicators of death.. and it’s spiritual death btw
@@eldennis it’s tough to think outside your presuppositions
It's so bizarre how all of these Calvinistic doctrines that are supposedly just "the Bible," aren't found ANYWHERE in the actual Bible. John Calvin's theological conclusions aren't the Bible. Same with Augustine or any church father.
I hate the term "church father."
Yep , calvinism is unscriptural and blasphemous as it corruptly portrays GOD and HIS righteousness.
And Pink.
"Because they don't know the Bible."
This implies that they alone have superior knowledge compared to those who deny Calvinism. But it's an argument without any merit whatsoever.
The same could be said by the opposition.
"Why do you Calvinists embrace Calvinism?"
"Because they don't know the Bible."
Grace and Peace to you. Would you like to be included in our Theology Group chat on a different platform for further discussion?
The group an assortment of people with various theological beliefs and backgrounds. What we all have in common is a desire to discuss the bible, religion and Christianity. It's a good opportunity to witness to non-believers and fellowship with believers.
True. They are a form of Gnostics.
The scary thing I’m realizing is that they pressure and guilt you into accepting Calvinism like: “God chose you, you better be grateful. Don’t worry about the reprobates, just be happy you were chosen and leave the mysteries of God’s will to God.”
And then if you have reservations and think Calvinism seems wrong or unbiblical, you then worry that maybe you aren’t elect because you can’t understand the “things of God.”
Sounds cultish to me, and Calvinism is cultish
Nearly the exact phrasing wording presented to me in youth Sunday school in a reformed presbyterian church @ 35 years ago.
The belongingness was very much based on adherence.
The effort ,energy ,and focus was to persuade one to accept calvinism/reformed was pressure packed .
Friday night youth group was often RC Sproul vhs or teaching elders doing similar .
Fortunately I had and deeply needed my relationship with Jesus before the indoctrination attempts began.
@@keith3362 🎯 Leighton's new short video focuses on this exact thing; ua-cam.com/video/DPyTQ4xU2ws/v-deo.html "7 Marks Of A Questionable Doctrinal System" It's not a list specifically directed at Calvinism...but it so perfectly describes it.
You have as much to do with your Salvation as your physical birth from your mama's womb. You didn't contribute a thing to it, and neither to your Salvation. Calvinism gives all glory and all sovereignty to God.
@@keith3362What is salvation? It is a spiritual birth from above. Outside of God's Grace, you have no will or desire or capability for your physical birth, how much more do you have to do with your spiritual birth from heaven? Calvinism gives all grace and all glory to God, And you are attempting to take away God's Glory by claiming 'free will.'
I was in a “reformed” Calvinist led Church. I really didn’t know much about it. When the Pastor basically recommended James White to me I stumbled across him agreeing that God decrees child rape. I was appalled and disgusted and went on a deep dive into searching out the depths of Calvinism. I was astounded at what I found. I left that Church but not before giving everyone ample reasons why. Calvinism is Satanic and one of the most dangerous and deceptive cultish heretical systems to ever plague the Church’s
Notice the dissonance in Lawson's answer. Why would a christian reject Calvinism? He should've simply said: "because God decreed that they should reflect"!!!
This fact is so undeniable that I am baffled as to why Calvinists refuse to see it.
So true…..no one becomes a Calvinist just by reading the Bible…..
Those beliefs are not needed to trust in Christ Jesus and His death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of our sins; which is the Gospel that we are saved by placing our faith in that we read in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
@@Adam-gm5tm ??? Calvinism teaches the OPPOSITE!! You get regenerated FIRST, and THEN have faith in Christ!
Study to show thyself approved before you correct others please.
@@Adam-gm5tmyeah and honest ones admit this
I did.
Try reading John 6 and 10, Ephesians 1 and 2 and Romans 8 and 9. Then tell me that predestination and election is not in the Bible.
My struggle with the reformed theology is that it's rather fatalistic akin to Islam's view of God. Everything is up to God. Is if a child crosses the street and gets hit, that's God's will! So if I'm bankrupt now and struggling financially, it's not because I made a wrong move in life, but it's what God ordained for me to suffer from.
Don't forget Calvinism is just one of several branches of theology that came out of the Reformation. Some other groups, such as the Moravians, did not (I think) adopt the deterministic type theology of Calvin. Calvinists today tend to claim the term "Reformed theology" only for themselves, but I don't think this is accurate. Lutherans, Anglicans, etc. also came out of the Reformation.
"like a dog returning to its vomit" bwhahahhaa so accurate 🔥
Congrats on the 4k 🎉
I didn't notice! Thanks!!!
@@IdolKiller I know... it's very 'humbling'😎😎 .. Always love your content.
Let us not forget that Lawson's mentor, the late R.C. Sproul once said that he believed that Aminians were barely saved, and he was not joking.
"barely saved" is like "barely pregnant."
It's a pretty 1/0 issue. There's no in between.
I also came across the video where Sproul made the comment that Arminians are barely saved. I was shocked to put it mildly! In his book " Chosen By God" Sproul places all Non Calvinists as Arminian. I'm not Arminian, so now what do I do! I am a member of a conservative Calvinist denomination. After doing much research into this doctrine, I am really struggling on how I can worship in this church which holds to such a belief system!
@@DuaneYantzi I was a member of John MacArthur's church for 11 years when I finally left and began attending a Calvary Chapel.
Barely saved? The Calvinist telestial kingdom.
@@DuaneYantziYou can't. Get out and find a Christian church!
I have been looking for years for someone who points out that calvinism is gnostic and that it does not allow people to be true image bearers. You did both in one video.
In the sense that it brings in manichean theistic determinism - yes it's gnostic. I've been saying this for a long time and it's rarely mentioned.
@@wretchedsinnerRighteousSavior I rejected Calvinism because it stank like Islam and Islam is gnostic and now I fully understand it's genesis
I am trying to understand Calvinism & you have opened the door for clarity for me. Thank you!😊
Apparently the church fathers, outside of Augustine, were ignorant of the Bible. They only defended and died for what they believed in but they didn't know the Bible.
…and these anti-nicene christians died for faith, while augustine advocated violence in faith matters… as well as the medieval augustinian John Calvin… as our Lord taught us - by the fruits you will now them…
And Augustine didn’t even know Greek or Hebrew, just Latin. But Calvinism isn’t the same as Agustinianism
Indeed…
Concerning augustinian calvinism without
going to much into dispute a quote from john calvin himself from the wikipedia article “augustinian calvinism”
John Calvin wrote, "Augustine is so wholly within me, that if I wished to write a confession of my faith, I could do so with all fullness and satisfaction to myself out of his writings."[3] "This is why one finds that every four pages written in the Institutes of the Christian Religion John Calvin quoted Augustine.
There are some other quotes from other reformed there too on augustinian calvinism.
Using that only for purposes to refer to augustinianism as a broad stream in which calvinism seems to be one branch of or a development. If one prefers other definitions no problem…
"I am so humbled that God created me to be loved while hating all those other people."
---Lawson, probably.
God doesn’t force us to Love him. No Christian is a Christian against their will just like any God hater is content with it. The free will aligns with that persons nature. I didn’t choose Christ. He chose me. How could I save myself? I’m not that smart or special. God lifted the veil. Allowed me to see and feel his Holy Spirit. I believe if you accept Christ you are elect. That will was instilled in us. 1peter 1 7-9 the negative I went thru prior was for my human nature to understand and see that it’s all from Him. Even my righteous acts are filthy rags. Isaiah 64:6. The mysteries cannot be explained or completely understood. God tells us this. The Trinity, Creation. Who created God? Is the Devil able to beat God or does God allow Satan? If you say Satan controls the evil then it implies God is helpless to stop it. I’d rather like to think God knows best when it comes to Human fairness as we all are sinners and deserve Hell.
@@ReformedView717 Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
@@4285johan The potter and the clay. Romans 8 and 9 are some powerful Biblical truths to preach!
I’ve never been a Calvinist, and honestly, the more I listen to these Calvinists, the less of Christ I see in them.
Calvinism is more Islamic than Christian.
@@fantasia55very true
@@fantasia55
this is absolutely false, and you know it!
Does Islam believe in a Triune God? That Jesus was God and died on the cross for sins? That He rose on the third day? That believing on Him and Him alone (and not works) is what saves??
@josephgarrett3075 Predestination and God hating people and Scripture not being a creation of the Church, among other things, are from Islam. And many Calvinist preachers, such as James White, emulate imams.
@@fantasia55
Predestination is the Bible and existed 600 years before Islam. Now, we may disagree on the nuance/nature of the predestination, but to assert that it came from Islam is majorly incorrect.
God doesn't owe love to anyone, and He hates sin and condemns unbelieving sinners. This is not even a Calvinistic take, and again- in Scripture hundreds or years before Islam came around.
" Scripture not being a creation of the Church "
Huh??? What does this have to do with anything? Plus, it IS true that the Church did NOT create Scripture (and that has nothing to do with Islam). Scripture came from God. Early Christians just recognized it as such but they did not create Scripture.
You did not address my comments above and how it shows the vast difference between the two.
And James White does not emulate imams.....have you not seen how he debates Muslims and does so with conviction? Correcting them on their false claims of Christ?
Why are you being dishonest friend?
It's honestly baffling now to hear the circular reasoning, the strawman arguments, the ad hominem, the cognitive dissonance, the insecurity, the bravado, and all the various ad hoc improvisations over the text... these people talk in a way that betrays their lack of real heart belief in their unlivable systematic, and the cognitive dissonance is clear. And when I remember that for a time I considered this systematic believable, I feel all the more terrible for those beloved brothers and sisters caught in its contemptible web.
Calvinists charging others with heresy loudly enough, for long enough, has been the cruel and vapid tactic God's enemy has used to bully millions into assent.
May God grant all good success to your channel and those of all the others pushing back against this - they might not share their platforms with us - so we will have to build our own, for their sake and the sake of all who have ears to hear.
And wow, when Calvinists say non-Calvinists are “proud” and “arrogant”…. talk about not noticing the log in your own eye. Sad.😞
The Calvinist motto: "I got mine!"
Only thing missing in the "doctrines of grace" is grace
I understand why someone would disagree with the specific teachings, but there is no way to say that the idea or application of grace is missing from the "doctrines of grace".
No one deserves salvation and God graciously brings sinners to Himself thru Christ. Nothing of themselves. What could possibly be more gracious??
God would have been just and righteous to leave all of us in our sin and send everyone to hell, but He didn't. He sent a Savior and is gracious to save sinners. Calvinists (and non-Calvinists) believe this wonderful truth about God.
Certainly feel free to disagree with Calvinism brother (or sister), but don't deceive yourself and think that grace is somehow missing from its teachings.
@@josephgarrett3075Lordship Salvation erase completely the concepto from grace in the doctrine, it puts a weight on human works upon salvation as a valid evidence for it, therefore is Gnostic and not the gospel.
The difference between a believer and a Calvinist is that the understanding of the gospel came as revelation from God into believers heart, as for example Peter who acknowledge Christ due to a revelation from the father into Peters heart, not due to a comprehensive human philosophical understanding, that is a sprout of Catholicism which is the secular academic approach to Christ which cause more confusion into the simplicity of Christ, Calvinism is the wrong approach to Christ, that is why is classified as Gnosticism, don't blame me, blame Augustine.
@Popexify how would you define Lordship Salvation though? My understanding is that it simply says that a person who has been supernaturally changed WILL indeed bear fruit of that heart change; neither MacArthur or Lawson would ever say you have to work to complete your Salvation or that you have to work to gain Salvation.
@josephgarrett3075 well, it certainly not grace if one is not " elect"
@wib50 true, because grace is a gift, not a demand. A gift is something given freely by the giver; it's not something some chooses to take.
Keep making these vids. Good stuff. Thank you.
Lawson describes his brainwashing process quite well
I was a fan of RC, MacArthur, and most of the Reformer teachers. I didn't consider myself a 5-point Calvinists but I leaned mostly toward reform theology. As I study Islam, I came to the verse in the Quran. Moses said to Adam, "because of your sin, we were kicked out of paradise. " Adam replied, "why do you blame me? It was written for me before I was created." It turned a switch in my head. I started to question the doctrine of Calvinism. This lead me to stop listening to Reformed teachers. Steven Lawson was one of whom I listened to sometime. Now I realize how arrogant he is. Thank you for your videos.
Be ause Calvinism is almost indistinguishable from Satanism. I've met actual Satinists and they where actually decent people and how they think of Satan is way more tame than the Calvinist god.
John Piper teaches (essentially) that part of the joy of the elect and the glory of God is the torture of the unelected - sort of like passing a car wreck on the side of the road and taking delight in that you yourself were not involved in that, like a “sucks for them” mentality.
When I understood this perspective a lot of the arrogance and nastiness made more sense
you'd have to provide some sort of link to this message. i don't know what john piper said at any point about taking joy in the "torture of the unelected", but i've been in and around reformed churches for more than 30 years, and on not one occasion have i ever heard anything like this preached, taught, espoused or even spoken about casually........by anyone. every reformed christian i've known is willing to acknowledge god's sovereignty in everything...to include who he chooses to extend his grace to....while humbly receiving this gift that they believe they, by the very shared fallen nature of adam and eve, are neither worthy of, nor would choose on their own. and what's more, they also acknowledge that they could not possibly know who else god chooses to extend his grace to, and that they are actually called....each and every one....to be used by god to bring his people to himself. though i know not all will be saved, i still am led by the holy spirit to offer heartfelt prayer for the salvation of all.
No compromise in exposing the devastating heresy of Calvinisme, taking this fatal delusion head on.
Thank you for this video. I am grateful to you for making this stand for the truth regarding Calvinism. I came to an awareness about 2 years ago that I was attending a church that was Reformed 'Calvinist', and having done my own research into the five points of TULIP Calvinism, I couldn't support the leaders of the church with a clear conscience anymore and I left. I have found the books What Love Is This? by Dave Hunt and The Dark Side Of Calvinism by George Bryson to be particularly helpful in exposing the theological problems caused by TULIP, Calvin's false definition of predestination, his promotion of gnostic Augustinianism and his evil persecution of those who opposed him in Geneva 👍
Amen! Layton Flowers has a good youtube channel and website S101
@@blessedjohn Thanks Blessed John, yes I have benefited greatly from S101 these past couple of years, not just in the teaching but also in the grace & humility that Leighton extends to those who insist on Calvinism being the gospel 👍
i find it odd when some people leave a copeland benny hinn jakes type church they end up in a Calvinism type church and dont realize it
Seems to me the obvious answer would be, because God decreed non-Calvinist to reject Calvinism?
I think people understand how preposterous it is to believe that God's sovereignty is threatened by the REAL Gospel. It was God, Who in His sovereignty, chose to elect and predestine those who believe unto salvation and not the other way around.
8:35 - thank you for clarifying "with specificity" because it's such an aggravating red herring that Calvinists say we all ontologically have an evil nature anyway and God lovingly and miraculously chooses to save some from that, but the sense of evil in general is NOT the main problem (it is *a* problem).
In Calvinism, God PICKS all the evil desires of every individual and what they specifically are, when specifically they will have them, and how strong they are. If some guy comes up with the most disgusting porno in the world, in Calvinism, it's only because it existed in the mind of God in eternity past and for all time such that He PLANNED it Himself (and being atemporal, it's always on His mind). He's the first director of that garbage in Calvinism before any human ever conceived of it. This is the elephant in the room that should shake people off the fence, but hardens already existing Calvinists to just get more upset.
Great points, brother! Let 'em get upset. Rebuke is long overdue for them.
Calvinism is not biblical, it's man made doctrine.
By demons, actually.
Yes sir
The bible warned of doctrines of demons. When I hear this, calvinism is the poster child that comes to mind.
It not a doctrine
It’s total defiance and deceptions
@@brendaleehayter8464
False doctrines don't exist?
1600 years of christians including Paul didn't know the Bible.
Its easy to dislike the Calvinist examples in this video. They open their mouth and arrogance comes out.
The funny thing about these Calvinists is that they're always the first to cast a stone toward false preachers lmao meanwhile They themselves are the biggest heretics!
Ugh, Sproul: "God could not have made election more clear than in Romans 9".
Actually, the reverse is true!
Does anyone else get annoyed when Calvinists talk as if Arminians are somehow the opposite side of the Christian spectrum, rather than immediately adjacent. I mean, they’re basically the same beliefs (total depravity & determinism)
I rejected Calvinism because it ruined my life. I remembered how happy I was and how I loved to pray before I became infected with the doctrines of grace, and I thought Christians aren't supposed to hate their lives. I watched your vids and Leighton's vids and they helped me. In case anyone cares why I reject Calvinism.
Me (randomly one morning): Ha, you know what’s silly about Calvinism…?
Wife: Huhm…. Everything?
Calvinism is wrong! Bible is so clear God came to save ALL Mankind and wishes NO ONE to parish. Why would God than choose who is to be saved and others send to Hell, total contradiction!!. God is not an author of confusion. Macarthur, Washer, Sproul and Piper are preaching a false Gospel!
Thanks Warren this video helps a lot.
Thanks for your ministry. A message that definitely needs to be heard.
I lost a friend of 40 years due to Calvinism. He has a huge library filled with books (some are hard to get and expensive) written by dead men with beards. And continuing to grow bigger. He pretty regularly told/recommended these books to me. I finally obtained one, read it, was disgusted by it, and told him. He was offended. That was the last time I've heard from him.
It's unfortunate that it costs friendships.
"Dead men with beards" made me laugh! It's a good term for the Calvinists' much-idolized "giants of the faith" they hold higher than the Bible. I call them the "DCPs" short for "Dead Calvinists on Pedestals".
Same here. After I experienced a personal tragedy an old friend called to offer his consolation. He said "well, at least you can know this is God's best for you today"🤦🏻♂ He's become a Calvinist.
He now is convinced God has predetermined his favorite flavor of toothpaste from before the foundation of the world. The conversations that followed became too much, I got tired of him getting angry and hanging up every time I pointed out the inconsistencies of what he now believes God has determined him to believe. I could have just ignored them, but it was too hard... When someone continually speaks casually in ways then directly contradict what they claim is their 'core' belief the cognitive dissonance is mind -numbing.... it might even be contagious under constant exposure.🤯
A person who deals with the mentally ill 24/7 needs a break once in a while.
Idolatry is the biggest problem in the Church today.
I made it this far down the rabbit hole and hope to follow the echoes out... Now I forgot what I was going to write, so I'm out!
"'choose you this day whom you will serve....". case closed
How does anybody reject Calvinism, or anything else, if everything is predestined? My wife’s brother-in-law is an elder in the PCA. He anathematized both me and my family for not believing that God “meticulously predestinates everything that has or will ever happen for His own good pleasure and glory.” It turns out that he was cheating on his wife with multiple women the whole time he was condemning me. It must be then that God found please in his wife saying, “Sayonara you creep.”
Great video! Thanks for putting this together!
Lawson is a false teacher. “Jesus came to seek and to save those who are LOST”
My Sunday school teacher said we are no more responsible for our salvation, our new birth, than we are for our first birth. Then he went on to describe how we are not only responsible but rightly damnable, for our condition at birth. No matter how hard I tried to point out the hypocrisy of his point, the harder he dig in his heels. Then he said he prays for the salvation of those who disagree with him. When he said that, I knew the conversation was over. Felt like he was trying to squash discussion - which is exactly what happened. Very sad…
He's a Calvinist.... run away.
We are responsible because we are born sinners, we are born of a fallen nature rebellious against Gods will. It's unescapable. God doesn't think how we think, that's why His Grace is so unfathomable, it kills our pride.
@@HispanicFromAnothaPlanet Whatever the condition of man after the fall is by God's decree. Holding man accountable for hating God 'from birth' would be the same as God hating any man for the color of their eyes or skin, about which they have no control and is only by God's own decree. For God to condemn his own creation for being exactly how he created them is antithetical to God's own nature.
Cain was not born hating God, any more than was Able. There is no scripture verse or passage in proper context which ever establishes state of man "from birth" to be one which is 'unable' to respond positively to God. It doesn't exist. God was very clear about that with the very first man born after the fall. In Gen 4, God speaks with Cain specifically about his ability to choose to do well. And experience the results of is own choice, whether good or bad. God was not lying, as Calvinism must suggest in order to defend their false premise. Neither was God being disingenuous as both are contradictory to his nature.
This does not suggest anything man can do will merit salvation, because God is not obligated to save anyone. But... it does confirm man is able to do what is pleasing to God. And God is merciful and able and willing to extend grace to save.
By listening to this presentation, Calvinism became even worse than I ever could emagine.
If a person is reading the Bible, they will never learn about calvinism, much less become calvinists. Calvinism is taught. You learn it from man.
So true.
Not true at all. I believed in Calvinist doctrines before I even knew what Calvinism was or listened to popular teachers.
How does he know he is even saved?
Thanks for doing this video. The Lord through the study of the Bible via the Holy Spirit led me out of the Seventh-day Adventism. And I don't want to get into another false movement.
Hmm, could you please state as to why you left Seventh-day Adventism?
I believe that as a whole the Seventh-Day Adventist Church as it stands preaches a gospel that is no different than any other Protestant sect. However, I think that Ellen White herself clearly was able to differentiate between what is romanism-which is principally coercion of conscience-and understanding reality as it is. And that is by knowing the God of reality and that God through his principles upholds and sustains reality. That also means that God cannot use might or power as Zechariah 4:6 states, "not by might nor by power but by the way the Spirit works says the Lord. Sadly, many Adventists today will uphold the standard of the Sabbath but not understand the sign unto which it points. It points to the Lord as Creator and his laws are not arbitrary; His character is not revengeful, vindictive, arbitrary but his character is shown through His abundant love for humanity in sending His Son to die and rise again completing/perfecting humanity in Himself in holiness. Yet, I've noticed even as this is true, many Adventists act in part as the Jews did 2,000 years ago. They had slain the Lord of the Sabbath and yet wanted him down off of the cross before sunset so that they could keep their Sabbath. That is because they could not differentiate between the imperial Roman law system that all the governments of this world maintain control and orthodoxy which is completely alien to the tangible constants empowered by the Lord that sustain reality. I think that as Christians we ought not to hold to any “ism” whether that be Calvinism, Methodism, Presbyterianism, Baptism, Catholicism, Adventism, Episcopalianism, etc.
Christ Himself said that life eternal is knowing God and that knowledge of Him is revealed in that love-outflow of benevolence-Christ had shown during his earthly ministry and shows forth now in holding back at bay the ultimate consequences that sins brings which is separation from our Lord.
Listening to a Calvinist use a theological word salad reminds me of listening to Kamala Harris on any topic!
Do you know what’s more unbiblical than Calvinism? The arguments supporting Calvinism.
Thank God for a happy inconsistency. None of us know as much as we think we know. What a wonderful day when we come to this realization. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments and his ways past finding out."
Jesus The Messiah leaves nothing to “ search” when it come to His desire for all to repent.
It's interesting, for me what's so humbling is that God loves everyone, who He created in His Image, and desires that all might be saved, and extends that Grace to all, even me, that has brought me true humility; in myself and towards others
Did He love Esau ?
@@stubowl1 yes
@reverendronsrevelationroom1405 The God of the Bible does NOT love everyone. The scriptures are clear that Yahweh hates individuals.
Psalm 11:5 The Lord tests the righteous, but His soul HATES the wicked and the one who loves violence.
Psalm 5:5 God hates the worker of iniquity.
Romans 9:13 God HATES Esau.
There are many other verses that clearly teach that God does NOT love everyone. I hope you clearly see this.
Do you have a document for the texts that you brought to your Pastor with exegesis? I would love to use it. I will make it if you don't already have it.
Brother, I love your righteous indignation. Too many Christians today are limp wristed, afraid of offending someone else for the sake of the truth. Calvinism is nothing more than an impugning of God's character. It's as if Satan himself said to God, "you created me to fail so that you would receive all of the glory." I love how you described it as an anesthetizing of their conscience.
And now look at the humbled Dr Lawson.
Hmm... if we think we stand, let us take heed lest we fall.
It comes down to this: do you follow a mere mortal man (Calvin), or do you follow Jesus? If you're following Calvin, you're on the wrong path.
That doesn't make any sense. Just because you prescribe to a theological system that outlines your beliefs (Calvinism) doesn't mean that you don't have full trust in the God of that theological system. What if I told you not to follow a mere mortal man (Jacob Arminius of Arminianism) and follow Jesus instead??
@@johnathanl8396 I don't follow any man. I follow Jesus.
Most of the Converts to Eastern Orthodoxy: 1) Are well versed in their Scripture; 2) Reject Calvinism. The Claim that those who reject Calvinism don't read or understand Scripture is HOGWASH!!!
I love your content Warren.👍 You identify the flaws of Calvinism, and help so many of us to articulate why we reject that misrepresentation of God.
Please continue this great work; You are helping many of us more than you know.🙏
Thank you so much for the encouragement! It's truly appreciated!
Lawsons comments hit different watching this again after current events
My issue was that it seems to me that if Christ truly died for the sins of the whole world, as the Bible clearly says, then to say that he did not is very dangerous grounds. Seems blasphemous to me.
They try to say that 'world' doesn't mean everyone because of their interpretation of more obscure texts. This itself is a problem. You do not explain obvious texts by more obscure ones; you do just the opposite. If you're making obvious texts say things they don't say, you're manipulating.
@@Myrdden71 I despise the argument that one is right because they know what it means and you don’t. They’ve studied more, so just shut up and agree cause they’re right
@@majorcajun5524 I guess I just don't understand such dogmatism bordering on arrogance on secondary issues. I can admit that I may be wrong on any secondary issue, such as how to baptise or the perseverance of the saints. I hold strong to the non-negotiables, the primary doctrines, such as are found in the early Creeds. I can be wrong on how election works, so I do not call Calvinists or others who believe differently 'heretics' or 'blasphemers' or 'semi-gnostics' or whatever. I often do not get the same consideration from them ("barely" saved, as R.C. Sproul put it once for example).
@@Myrdden71 I agree, there were even disagreements in the early church almost right away. I feel like the term “heretic” is thrown away much too loosely by some, who want to manipulate others into adhering to their own understanding of secondary issues. Maybe it is insecurity of their own position, I don’t know.
What’s worse with the limited atonement argument is Calvinists will say that if Christ died for everyone, he didn’t do a good job because there a people in Hell. Now this view is utterly blasphemous. First time I heard this was from Jeff Durbin. I was flabbergasted.
I've yet to figure why Augustinian theology hasn't been rejected by more as the Heresy it is.
"Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name."
The cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy. Example, Paul Washer will say all people were either elect (Augustinian not Pauline) or reprobate before the world was created and it's an unchangeable decree and then out the other side of his mouth claim millions of people are going to Hell "because of the sinner's prayer".
You clearly didn't understand what Washer meant. Totally twisted his words like a pretzel. The point Washer is trying to make is that "the sinner's prayer" is not the means God works through evangelists to save people. When people think that someone is saved just because they did the "sinner's prayer" they are making an unbiblical assumption that is not in the Word of God. Noone is saved by just saying words, they have to have a heartfelt and true repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His work on the Cross. That doesn't contradict with Calvinism at all, Calvinism doesn't say that we can't know whether someone is or isn't saved, its just NOT OUR OWN WORKS that do the saving.
@@johnathanl8396 Re-read my comment. And I know exactly what Washer said and means, I was taught TULIP from Sunday school at a Second Reformed Presbyterian Church. I didn’t walk away from RT until around 2003.
Lawson explains his brain damage …”hitting the wall of Calvinism “.
All Christians reject Calvinism. "Christian" means "little Christ" or Christ follower. Jesus wasn't a Calvinist. You can't follow Jesus (be a christian) and be a Calvinist.
The arrogance of Lawson…but then again that’s how 99% of calvinists parrot and think….
I am not sure if you the of aware have a link to to the video but but I am going to send it too because see if you it is a video of have can yogic send Offered you can are aware of this
The arrogance is believing you had anything to do with your salvation.
@@HispanicFromAnothaPlanet go toot your Calvinistic cult horn elsewhere…..you parrot 🦜 the Calvinism cultisms……our way or the hiway…
Great video! Your articulations rejecting the concepts and finer points of the lunacy of fatalism/platonism/calvinism are spot on. Keep up the fine work!
If I ever hear one of their proponents voice any anger or seem upset about any sin in society or corruption in our world I'm liable to ask why they are upset at all. I'll state that their "god" couldn't love it any more than he does and couldn't have it any other way. I may just ask, "Why do you care??!!" If that doesn't work I'll threaten to ask his wife if he told her that he was ordained to be rude to her the last time he was. We'll see how that works out...
TULIP is purpose built to remove man’s requirement to believe in Christ.
T - removes our requirement to believe in Jesus (says we can’t)
U - removes our requirement to believe in Jesus (says we’re already saved)
L - removes our requirement to believe in Jesus (says Jesus atonement wasn’t for all sin just the chosen, back to point U)
I - removes our requirement to believe in Jesus (says we can’t believe God will make us believe)
P - removes our requirement to believe in Jesus. (Says God will make us preserve)
If anyone has to question if their family and friends are “elect” their hope for salvation is not in Christ alone, it’s in “election”.
Any teaching that takes the focus off Christ alone for salvation is a false teaching.
35:20 My reaction: "Good job, you're determined to die in hell because you're determined to sin. Such a loving God." Dude. Such blasphemy. God sending Jesus to save us means nothing in Calvinism. Why would God have to send Jesus and Jesus have to live, die, resurrect, and give us the Holy Spirit and give us commandments to follow if everything is determined anyway. This is pure nonsense.
Another video well done Warren! P.S. I watched this video while playing Satisfactory. 😁
Thank you for making this excellent videos, I am a new subscriber today.
Thanks for subscribing! Welcome to the channel.
@@IdolKiller 🙏🙏🙏🙏
I gotta agree with Lawson here… “Calvinism is not a secondary issue.” I mean I think I know all the common secondary issues I’m sure I can rattle at least 30 off the top of my head but unlike secondary issues, calvinism literally does funnel EVERYTHING through it… I mean just being reasonable, calvinism is not just one belief or preference that effects just a sliver of God and the Bible. I mean calvinism is a full fledged MIGHTY TOWER belief system of SEVERAL false teachings rooted in common heresies from the time of the early church and effects Christianity at its core…there’s nothing that calvinism does not touch… so can we really blame Lawson who believes that his beloved Calvinism, which is SO HUGE and CORE to his every single belief, calls it primary to Christianity? I think Lawson is actually being an “honest Calvinist” here and it would be more disingenuous of him to say it’s secondary when He so clearly holds it as primary to EVERYTHING he believes in.
So honest right now … I think all the big names on UA-cam who expose calvinism call it a secondary issue and really, being honest with ourselves and really wrestling with this, how is it NOT primary? I think this is so worthy of talking about yet everyone who brings it up saying “well.. gee… this is some big heresies, I think this is primary to Christianity…” immediately gets dismissed, gaslighted, and this reasonable viewpoint gets shewed away and responded with “No! This is not a primary issue because it’s not a primary issue and it’s secondary! You are just saying that because you like calling people heretics!” At least that is what I’ve heard in the videos from a few of the big names that make videos against calvinism. But if there’s a pastor at the G3 conference in the pulpit teaching Calvinism… is he not… a…heretic? I’m not saying this with any malice whatsoever I’m only trying to be factual, I really don’t think this needs to be confusing. From the accounts of the apostles and the early church, alllllll these Calvinist claims are just textbook heresy that was unapologetically condemned for what it is and WHO was spreading it would not be received.
Warren you are the only person on here who I think is even willing to publicly wrestle with this. TRUST ME I’m not completely black and white about this in that I really believe that it is possible for someone to affirm calvinism AND be saved BUT I’m struggling because I genuinely cannot see HOW this isn’t primary because it doesnt come close to any of the other actual secondary issues. Maybe it is contradictory to say “yes calvinism is a primary issue and also it is possible to affirm it and still be a true Christian .” I’m seriously willing to say that Calvinism is PRIMARY to Christianity yet it is possible to be a Christian and affirm it but you are playing with fire and you need to get out of this since this is heresy and it will poison you if not kill you!! I mean should Calvinists especially Calvinist pastors be received in Christian congregations and just shrug shoulders calling it just a difference in interpretations? Would that be “putting up” with Calvinists and doing the most common modern day equivalent to 2 Corinthians 11:4? Idk the Bible seems to take a way bigger stand in these situations, arguing that it is the more loving thing to do to make a stand! And of course I have already shared that I take dealings with Calvinist pastors and teachers very intentionally and seriously in light of Galatians 1:9.
I’m so sorry if I’m being annoying and talking your ear off about this but I don’t really have anywhere else to share these concerns. I think you actually listen and have a voice in this.
This is a "prinary issue", you're just a head of the curve.
In the meantime, while we wait for others to catch up, strengthen yourself. Know your enemy. Know their tactics, and know how to refute them.
I myself struggled with Calvinism back in 2009. There was no Idol Killer, or Leighton Flowers back then.
I walked in deception for about a year, until I learned their errors, double-talk, fallacious logical arguments and psychological manipulation tactics -- then my eyes were opened to the truth -- by the grace of God - Calvinism is Satan's Trojan Horse, deceiving the minds of the proud & naive --
They place their confidence in Calvinism, instead of Christ.
Confidence is Latin for "con fide", "with faith".
Only IN CHRIST is one "made alive", compared to their faith that they were made alive outside of Christ, via their doctrine of Irresisitble Grace & Regeneration.
Amen my brother. Love your work, glory to God
I'm so glad to have found your channel! Thank you for this video. I'm an ex-MacGauther follower. It IS a cult
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that ANY should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (2 Pet 3:9) I guess Calvinists don't believe clear scripture. Everyone in scripture and not in scripture has free will to sin or not and to accept Christ or not.
One of the best I have heard on Calvinism. God bless you for sharing to help those so wounded by this doctrine. You are so right in stating that reading the Bible on your own and just believing what it says you would NEVER go into this terrible false doctrine called Calvinism. The God of Calvinism is anything but a loving Savior wishing none to perish but instead hates so much that he sends almost everyone to hell forever! I have subscribed to your channel and am sharing this with friends as an encouragement and a warning . When I needed help, the book by Dave Hunt "WHAT LOVE IS THIS" greatly helped me. The God of Calvinism made me run from such a terrible God. The God of the Bible made me run into the arms of my loving Savior.
Calvinism supposedly non-Calvinism are illeterates and anti-gospel. In fact, Calvinism are the ones that are pround and arrogant. You're doing a good job in your rebuttals to Calvinism.
I see you in many comments in videos but I didn’t know you actually uploaded! Subscribed!
Welcome!
Thank you for this video, and being so clear. I'm so grateful that you were able to find your way out of calvinism by following God and His word.
To be born again you must be born from above, like your physical birth, you had nothing to do with your new Spiritual birth in Christ. HE gets all the Glory, you get none of it.
@@HispanicFromAnothaPlanet Us accepting that there's nothing we can do to save ourselves and reaching out to the one who offers to save us out of His love and grace DOES NOT give us any glory.
The will of the Father is that those who look to the son and believe in Him shall have eternal life. That's God's will. It is by believing that we may have life in His name. We stand in God's grace by faith. This is what clear passages say. Don't create your own doctrine out of passages that are less clear. Don't create arbitrary rules that say God is somehow more glorified if He chooses to save people not even based on faith and then forces them to have faith... that is not more glorifying.
You are incorrect, and you should flee from calvinism, it is demonic false teaching that will teach you to twist scripture until you are unable to understand it. RUN.
@@HispanicFromAnothaPlanetTo be born from above is fulfilled by Jesus Christ and has nothing to do with CHOOSING to acknowledge your sins and believe the gospel. God says I did this for you and you abandon yourself and have faith in his promise.
@@HispanicFromAnothaPlanet
We all have bibles and believe your pointless point.
What are you really trying to say Trojan.
Whom the Son sets free is free indeed. There is no freedom and no good news in Calvinism.
If Lawson is correct, then I was pre-determined to oppose Calvinism. Why doesn't he just say that? Could it be he's just rebelling against his own theology ?
Calvinism doesn't conflict with your own responsibility to accept good doctrine. Just because us Calvinists believe that God is sovereign over things in this world doesn't mean God is responsible for people's incorrect beliefs.
@@johnathanl8396 Calvin himself will disagree with your statement as do other notable Calvinist scholars such as Binion. I'm speaking of the higher form Calvinist which you may not be one of them. Theistic determinism does support my previous statement however.
If you use Calvinism logic, the reason why I reject Calvinism is because God decreed me to reject it.
You have no power over yourself but God has.You don't know what future holds but God knows (Ecclesiastes 7:13-14)
@@davidochiengbuoga7165 according to Calvinism doctrine, whatever good or evil wrong or right, God decreed it for me to do. Therefore I'm not only a puppet on a string, but now God is the author of sin and evil.
Thanks Calvinism for making our God as one of those fatalistic pagan gods.
@@dronelocations1339 What I know is that God is not the author of sin but the devil,sin first originated from heaven with the devil before introduced on earth, before the creation of mankind.God decreed judgement on Satan.He later proceeded to create mankind to dwell on earth.However ,Satan didn't know the mind of God
If you hadn’t noticed, the moment after he said “they don’t know the Bible”, the audience at first awkwardly laughed. It really seemed like they weren’t sure if he was serious or not. To the audience it sounded silly, until the theological brainwashing kicked back in and they started to applaud.
Love your style, man. Keep it up.
Thanks!
This might be your best video on Calvinism Warren. Keep Waring.
Wow, thanks!
@@IdolKiller Calvinism is like an invisible Serpent winding it's way through Christian History creating wreckage and waste where ever it takes root. Exposing it should be a priority for every pulpit in America. "Be not partakers of the Evil Works of Darkness but rather Expose them." Keep it up Warren.
Calvinism = "When being better than everyone else ain't good enough"
Praise God, for your testimony! God bless you brother!