What Is Sovereignty in Calvinism? - Honest Calvinist Conference

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  • Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
  • Recently, in an alternate universe, Calvinist thought leaders from all across the world met together at the first annual Honest Calvinist Conference. There, they spoke of Calvinism as it is, raw and unfiltered. Men like John MacArthur of @gracetoyou James White of @AominOrg Steven Lawson of @ligonier Josh Buice of @G3Ministries Paul Washer of @Heartcrymissionary Voddie Baucham of @gfbc1689 and many others gathered together for the first time, to reveal what Calvinism REALLY believes about the Sovereignty of God.
    #parody #calvinism #sovereignty #satire
    🚨 Yes, we used AI and some editing to provide this humorous critique of the Doctrines of Grace. HOWEVER, the statements made during the intro sequence, prior to Josh Buice speaking are 100% real clips taken from the actual speaker. These actual statements are used to ground our subsequent critique. AI is only used once Josh Buice comes on screen and from then on it's satire driven entirely by AI.
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  • @a.k.7840
    @a.k.7840 10 місяців тому +63

    *This should be played on a 24 hour loop!!!*

    • @IdolKiller
      @IdolKiller  10 місяців тому +10

      Yes! Let's get that view count up! 😂

    • @a.k.7840
      @a.k.7840 10 місяців тому +4

      @@IdolKiller maybe you can get sponsorship from Papa Johns?! BWAHAHAH 🤣🤣

    • @tyrothrock256
      @tyrothrock256 10 місяців тому +5

      This was both hilarious and true. I found myself saying “yep” numerous times. I am also commenting to boost this video and your channel. Keep ‘em coming Warren.

    • @IdolKiller
      @IdolKiller  10 місяців тому +6

      @tyrothrock256 thank you!

    • @moderndayzorro7072
      @moderndayzorro7072 10 місяців тому +2

      Oh, way ahead of you.

  • @chriskeith5742
    @chriskeith5742 10 місяців тому +54

    Ironically, it's the Calvinist that limits God's sovereignty by asserting that He doesn't have the power to create a being with the free will of choosing to serve Him.

    • @nathanhellrung9810
      @nathanhellrung9810 10 місяців тому +10

      Its definitely ironic. It’s a cognitive dissonance for sure.

    • @chriskeith5742
      @chriskeith5742 10 місяців тому +7

      @nathanhellrung9810 yep...Another example of this is they believe salvation is purely monergistic. Well, if you believe salvation has absolutely nothing to do with how you freely respond to God's prompting, then that also means ( if your being consistent) that damnation has nothing to do with how you freely respond to God's calling. In short, if you end up damned its all on God.

    • @Drew32296
      @Drew32296 10 місяців тому +4

      BANG! 🎯👍👏

    • @kevinkleinhenz6511
      @kevinkleinhenz6511 8 місяців тому +8

      @@chriskeith5742 I’m truly not trying to be inflammatory but when I debate with a Calvinist I feel like I’m talking to the JW’s or Mormons at my door. Clipped proof texts, out of context verses and complete disregard for logic. It appears a form of sickness or indoctrination because at some point I don’t feel I am talking to a rational human despite their so called “educational status”.

    • @zebra2346
      @zebra2346 7 місяців тому

      ​@kevinkleinhenz6511 As a former Calvinist and now being able to see things from a biblical perspective, it's astonishing how the all Calvinist's use the same cookie cutter proof texts, arguments, redefined biblical words and vernacular to support Calvinism. It really is a cult with many followers, and once you are gripped by it, it's very difficult to read the Bible that is not Calvinistic.

  • @BtZealot
    @BtZealot 10 місяців тому +20

    I didn't catch on till I heard Lawson say "Every fart." 😂🤣

    • @johngraves9237
      @johngraves9237 10 місяців тому

      😅😅😅😅😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @RevReads
    @RevReads 10 місяців тому +26

    I would love to see a video that is a collection of real quotes from the conference that are just as crazy.

  • @JohnSmith-tx3ys
    @JohnSmith-tx3ys 10 місяців тому +44

    I started out by following sermons from John MacArthur because he seemed to be dedicated to truth, unlike wishy washy preachers like Joel Osteen. Gradually, I embraced all five elements of tulip. Then I began to teach double election, it was only rational. By this time, I was on the verge of becoming a fatalist. I even pondered pursuing a post graduate degree in philosophy. Who knows where I would have ended up.
    Calvinism may not be a literal cult, but there are similarities. Cults don’t give you all the dirty secrets up front. They gradually take you deeper and deeper into their practices. Why don’t Calvinists tell new Calvinists about the murderers in Geneva sooner? Why don’t they mention that God ordains the abuse of children up front? Simply because that would scare away young proselytes.

    • @angelamc2923
      @angelamc2923 10 місяців тому

      Maybe not every calvinist church/group is a cult but many of them literally are...people have been escaping in droves and telling their stories, like Bodies Behind the Bus, and Tia Levings. I think the calvinist definition of sovereignty enables abusers and cult leader mentality quite a bit. And its often combined with Gothard "umbrella of authority" or "spiritual covering" doctrine or the mistranslation in Hebrews "obey your elders." (The word obey doesn't even occur in the Greek.) If God micromanages and forces everyone to comply like a despot, why shouldn't we?

    • @tonygardiner5585
      @tonygardiner5585 10 місяців тому

      they do

    • @tonygardiner5585
      @tonygardiner5585 10 місяців тому

      watch john piper, the bible also talks about it .

    • @mrnoedahl
      @mrnoedahl 10 місяців тому +2

      I was just like you. I listened to all of JMac sermons. I even made gospel tracks with his QR code on them to give to people. Then I heard him twist scripture to fit his Calvinism and I could not believe it. I threw away all the tracks with his QR code on it. It’s such a shame he is really a good preacher; he just refuses to let go of his Calvinism.

    • @mrnoedahl
      @mrnoedahl 10 місяців тому +2

      @@tonygardiner5585Why should he listen to another Calvinist? How about reading the whole Bible not just select verses.

  • @Andrew_the_Worthy_Shield
    @Andrew_the_Worthy_Shield 10 місяців тому +15

    Missed opportunity for Sproul, he could have shouted from the back of the audience saying, "What's wrong with you people?"

    • @IdolKiller
      @IdolKiller  10 місяців тому +9

      Just wait until the Honest Calvinist Conference releases highlights from their talk on Total Depravity 😂

    • @lindajohnson4204
      @lindajohnson4204 Місяць тому

      We can say it, and do!

  • @R.L.KRANESCHRADTT
    @R.L.KRANESCHRADTT 10 місяців тому +10

    These 'truths' are among the typical reasons most Atheists reject God.... Having accepted Calvinism's portrait of him, which they rightly reject, they throw God away with they frame in which Calvinism places him.

    • @user-fk2ur9cv7h
      @user-fk2ur9cv7h 10 місяців тому +2

      This statement is dead on.

    • @R.L.KRANESCHRADTT
      @R.L.KRANESCHRADTT 10 місяців тому

      @@user-fk2ur9cv7h Tks. Calvinism provides them the excuse they need to reject God in their own rebellion.

    • @mitchielou9622
      @mitchielou9622 10 місяців тому +1

      So true and so sad.

  • @TheOverlapLifewithTimBarber
    @TheOverlapLifewithTimBarber 10 місяців тому +17

    I myself knew it was satire when I saw "Honest Calvinism" Conference. There may be honest Calvinists, but Calvinism relies heavily on deception, not least the insistence that they are the bearers of truth - at the cost, even of their true thoughts.

  • @THEGOSPELISFOREVERYBODY
    @THEGOSPELISFOREVERYBODY 10 місяців тому +24

    If a calvinist becomes an atheist, who was responsible for that?
    Was it:
    A) the calvigod who gifted 'trick faith' or 'false faith'
    Or
    B) Man, who according to Calvinism, cannot generate their own faith
    🙃

    • @JonathanGrandt
      @JonathanGrandt 10 місяців тому +9

      We don’t know that Calvinists aren’t already atheists. If they don’t even know if they are Elect then they don’t even know if they actually believe in God, for it is only by God’s determination that any should believe, so then every Calvinist may be an atheist.

    • @R.L.KRANESCHRADTT
      @R.L.KRANESCHRADTT 10 місяців тому +1

      @@JonathanGrandt Yes. Since no one is guaranteed the "Gift of Perseverance" their doctrine requires to spend eternity in Heaven, an 'Honest' Calvinist sleeps with one eye open.

    • @THEGOSPELISFOREVERYBODY
      @THEGOSPELISFOREVERYBODY 10 місяців тому +8

      @@JonathanGrandt No Calvinist can explain the above. They will end up going in circles like the congregation in the video.

  • @retro-orthodox
    @retro-orthodox 10 місяців тому +13

    Wonder if any Calvinists are pondering why God authored this through you?

  • @saraircrew8517
    @saraircrew8517 10 місяців тому +37

    This is a meticulously determined masterpiece!!

  • @78LedHead
    @78LedHead 10 місяців тому +30

    Warren, you've outdone yourself bro. Perfectly worded and hilarious, why? Because it's true. It's past time that we let idols like Calvinism go. Has no place in the world to come.

  • @IbecomeU
    @IbecomeU 10 місяців тому +13

    You're making yourself a target bro, your righteousness alone will protect you.

    • @IdolKiller
      @IdolKiller  10 місяців тому +12

      I've received so many arrows and daggers. But if it helps others, so be it.

    • @IbecomeU
      @IbecomeU 10 місяців тому +5

      @IdolKiller you'll have that little cripple guy after you now, you could say you've made it Brother.

    • @melissaschubert1653
      @melissaschubert1653 10 місяців тому +1

      The blood of Jesus protects us❤️

    • @2wheelz3504
      @2wheelz3504 3 місяці тому

      Bulls**t

  • @mikelyons2831
    @mikelyons2831 10 місяців тому +20

    So thankful you were absolutely & meticulously determined to produce this unknowable revealed truth of mysteries which are unsearchable yet clearly understood by the elect.

  • @stevencash1609
    @stevencash1609 10 місяців тому +42

    I didn't even realize this was satire till I heard James White speaking😂. I truly thought Steve was just trying to be silly. I should have known better. Calvinists are only so frank about their beliefs in their own churches and echo chambers. They are very wise to not be so honest with the public.

    • @NUdude
      @NUdude 10 місяців тому +2

      Same 😉

  • @user-fk2ur9cv7h
    @user-fk2ur9cv7h 10 місяців тому +20

    To realize the influence that Calvinistic doctrine has had and just how many aspects of it ( if only in part) are viewed as core tenets of Christianity, moves me to a state of astonishment & sadness.
    Only to further realize that not only are they viewed as such but in fact are part of ‘Christianity’.
    That much of what is and has been called ‘Christianity’ by the world and many Christians; the focus, the deductions, the rationale is based upon presuppositions not founded in the scripture claimed to be its foundation.
    Much of what is thought of as being a follower of Jesus the Christ, is (& it bothers me to say this) in actuality, a man made religion; this is an overwhelming and very heavy realization.
    Thanks for all the effort you have put into examining many of these claims Warren.

  • @DiGrace44
    @DiGrace44 10 місяців тому +9

    This is the absolute best! We now need Justin Peters to point out how all other Christian are wrong.

  • @exjwlaura
    @exjwlaura 10 місяців тому +8

    Wow, I often find those trying to help people come out of Jehovah's Witnesses are often Calvinists and don't realize they're in their own kind of cult, it's so hard to tell them too because they think that we just don't get it because we come to Christ out of a cult...😢 but they don't understand that the Holy Spirit is so strong in US and that that Veil is been taken away so Calvinism it's so easy to see through

    • @melissaschubert1653
      @melissaschubert1653 10 місяців тому +2

      Soooo true - and now that it is clear to people like us, we have to join with believers who saw this easily and live in the TRUE power of the Holy Spirit as we have been somewhat dumbed down by this satanic teaching

    • @Drew32296
      @Drew32296 10 місяців тому +3

      100 percent. I’m convinced I’m the only one in my church that sees through this Satanic deception. The Holy Spirit has been urging me to leave that church. It just sucks because all the people I’ve met there I’ve became pretty close with and they’re very nice and loving towards me but they’re just being taught unbiblical dogma

    • @melissaschubert1653
      @melissaschubert1653 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Drew32296 true, but we have to stand against lies against the Bible and truth and spread truth if we can even after being so deceived. Also the spiritual gifts and true spiritual knowledge are covered bc we are to live in these and fight these lies and there is no power supporting evil. The evil one is all about stealth deception and we have to become wise, TRULY battle with the armor in Ephesians 6 and tear down those strongholds.

  • @alanrhoda228
    @alanrhoda228 10 місяців тому +7

    Brilliant and funny. Great job, Warren!

  • @ShowCat1
    @ShowCat1 10 місяців тому +13

    Hillarious! I really needed the laugh. Thanks

  • @acts413biblecollege8
    @acts413biblecollege8 10 місяців тому +2

    This is THE quintessential tool to quickly sum up Calvinism for Christians who aren’t familiar with it.

  • @tedfordhyde
    @tedfordhyde 10 місяців тому +10

    Those opening quotes are painful and so slandering of the true and holy God. Thanks for the levity that followed them! 😆

  • @timb.6144
    @timb.6144 10 місяців тому +5

    Oh. My. Goodness. This is awesome!! 😂😂😂

  • @HangingOnHisWords
    @HangingOnHisWords 8 місяців тому

    Bro! Your content scratches the itch I've had with Calvinism for so many years lol.

    • @IdolKiller
      @IdolKiller  8 місяців тому +1

      Thanks! I release serious content as well as humorous and satirical criticism. The bizarre mix reflects my own warped sensibilities, so it's always nice to hear I'm not alone!

  • @ericedwards8902
    @ericedwards8902 10 місяців тому +5

    This my friend is BRILLIANT!

  • @EnHacore1
    @EnHacore1 10 місяців тому +14

    Wow amazing to see Calvinism in its true meaning. Thank you Warren for the great work.
    I didn't know if I should laugh or cry. I am sorry but this video is too raw to laugh at their ideas knowing how many people have been mislead by the fatalism preached by these so called preachers

    • @franciscafazzo3460
      @franciscafazzo3460 10 місяців тому

      how can it be fatalism if that was able he wouldn't be harmed by this aspect. I heartily deny these men peach any gospel but Gods sovereignty int the real problem. how could it be?

  • @EricSmyth4Christ
    @EricSmyth4Christ 10 місяців тому +7

    It was funny the whole time, but then somehow the papa Johns got me

  • @NUdude
    @NUdude 10 місяців тому +5

    Superb 👏!! Get ready for the Calvinist defenders backlash. It has been decreed to be swift and vengeful 😉

    • @DamonNomad82
      @DamonNomad82 10 місяців тому +4

      The Calvinist troll-in-chief, Manichean Jokes, has already been throwing a fit in the comments...

    • @ri3m4nn
      @ri3m4nn 10 місяців тому +1

      I agree, it's hilarious, but if people just understood that Calvinism at its root is simply based on taking power away from the "church" then I think we wouldn't be so harsh on their interpretations. However, it's nice to see a balancing with non-calvinist dominant channels occurring.

  • @neosporran
    @neosporran 10 місяців тому +7

    Circular logic, circular meat-lover's pizza. It was destined to be so.

  • @aaronhaskins9782
    @aaronhaskins9782 10 місяців тому +7

    Very well done, and this does not even cover the damage they do to the Parishioners.

  • @jeffedwards8195
    @jeffedwards8195 10 місяців тому +12

    I don't know what's more scary - exhaustive Calvinistic determinism or AI technology 🤔 Both have the ability to make you think what you've just heard is true, and it takes a moment to suspect something's not quite right 😉

    • @IdolKiller
      @IdolKiller  10 місяців тому +8

      At least with my AI videos you have a disclaimer in the description 😂

    • @apilkey
      @apilkey 10 місяців тому +1

      AI coupled with Deep Fake.
      Even modern Television is beyond real now that when watching say a football game the colours are soo vivid that they are no longer natural.
      And then if you look at modern gaming technology say on Madden NFL, it’s getting closer to looking the exact same because you have real Football looking not-so-real, and unreal football looking more real.
      I believe this is part of the conditioning of our minds so that we will no longer know if an AI Robot is a human, or if a President is really speaking or not and it’s a Deep Fake instead etc etc.
      It will be quite easy to fool people with a talking beast who has been given power to deceive nations.

    • @ri3m4nn
      @ri3m4nn 10 місяців тому +1

      Has any group of Calvinists ever done a crusade?

  • @apilkey
    @apilkey 10 місяців тому +7

    Sovereignty = Exhaustive Divine Determinism (EDD/ a.k.a. Fatalism).

  • @heaththielen8259
    @heaththielen8259 10 місяців тому +1

    Warren, I sent these to my family group chat. I cannot get over how good these are. Thank you!

  • @John17apologetics
    @John17apologetics 10 місяців тому +5

    🤣😄😆. I'm so unbelievably dead

    • @DamonNomad82
      @DamonNomad82 10 місяців тому +3

      Uh-oh! Now the Calvi-gnostics will be comparing you to a corpse like Lazarus...

  • @Amy-bs1qp
    @Amy-bs1qp 10 місяців тому +5

    God decreed this parity.

  • @BigGuy86ed
    @BigGuy86ed 10 місяців тому +5

    This is gold! Loving the AI HC universe lol

  • @michaellawlor5625
    @michaellawlor5625 10 місяців тому +6

    Lol. Keep them coming! 😁

  • @scottthong9274
    @scottthong9274 10 місяців тому +2

    With Calvinism, every day is an exercise in Poe's Law

  • @thomasfryxelius5526
    @thomasfryxelius5526 10 місяців тому +5

    This was great!

  • @hannacastaneda8219
    @hannacastaneda8219 10 місяців тому +10

    This actually seems more like a cult now...

    • @Drew32296
      @Drew32296 10 місяців тому +3

      It is

    • @raymatthews4319
      @raymatthews4319 8 місяців тому

      If it wasn't one before it has certainly degenerated into one today.

  • @KevinHale-vq2xr
    @KevinHale-vq2xr 10 місяців тому +2

    Sovereignty is used so misused and misdefined, it’s the way they twist the the true character of God.

  • @Greyz174
    @Greyz174 10 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for including the production of this video in your eternal decree, Calvinist god

  • @GregoryStephenSchumacher
    @GregoryStephenSchumacher 4 місяці тому

    These honest Calvinist conference vids are going to go down as complete classics!!

  • @sharonlouise9759
    @sharonlouise9759 10 місяців тому +15

    I was listening while playing mahjong. But I stopped when I heard what "James White" said. I said, "What? Is he really saying that?" So after, looking at the video with the dialogue I discovered that this was one of your creations....which you do so well. This is what they would be saying if they were speaking truthfully about what they believe. Great job! Love the Papa John's.

  • @plumber1874
    @plumber1874 10 місяців тому +8

    Pure theological gold

  • @Jerold-bu3ul
    @Jerold-bu3ul Місяць тому

    Really in for a treat, lol, wonderfully done brother.

  • @Aaron-cp9ys
    @Aaron-cp9ys 10 місяців тому +3

    This is great! Thanks for putting this together! 😂

  • @GhostBearCommander
    @GhostBearCommander 10 місяців тому +18

    Ok, there really needs to be a united movement amongst us Non-Calvinists to hammer hard on this massive weakness in Calvinism.
    For too long, we have tried to keep the conversation on Free Will. While that’s an important subject, its actually secondary to how we define Sovereignty, because Calvinism’s denial of Free Will entirely flows from its gnostic and esoteric views on Sovereignty. The whole debate can be concluded there, at least practically speaking.
    If Sovereignty does, in fact, equal determining all things, then yes free will doesn’t exist. If Sovereignty doesn’t mean Determinism, the entire basis for denial of Free Will is a house of cards. Calvinism dies if Determinism dies.
    Luckily for us, the Bible is pretty clear that God doesn’t determine all things, and all we’ve gotta do is show the verses (like Jeremiah 19:5) which prove it.
    Hammer this truth home: Sovereignty does not mean, nor has it ever remotely meant, Determinism. Sovereignty just means having the authority and power to do as you see fit.
    And no, Determinism isn’t the “high view” of Sovereignty, it’s an Un-Biblical view of Sovereignty with esoteric, pagan gnostic origins.

    • @lukebrasting5108
      @lukebrasting5108 10 місяців тому

      Pagan Gnostic origins? You mean Jewish Kabbalist origins, because that's what they teach in the Zohar, and John Calvin was a crypto-Jew...

    • @mitchielou9622
      @mitchielou9622 10 місяців тому

      @jacobdillard8508 Preach!! ❤

  • @TheGuy..
    @TheGuy.. 10 місяців тому +5

    The "Sovereignty of God" is a fabricated inaccurate description of God.
    I'm not a King James only advocate but do you know how many times the word sovereign is in the KJV bible? 0 times.
    Do you know how many times sovereign is in the NASB? 8 Times.
    Do you know how many times sovereign is in the NIV? 295 times.
    Notice the progression here?
    Now doesn't that raise an eyebrow? The newer the bible, the more you see this word creeping into the English translated bibles.
    Solution, check the original language. In the Greek, κυρίαρχος is the word for sovereign. Well guess what? You won't find that word in the NT or the Septuagint (sorry, I don't know Hebrew but the Septuagint was accepted scripture at the time of Christ).
    When you see the word sovereign in English translations, the Greek is κύριος (lord), δυνάστης (potentate, also, this is where we get the word dynasty so this is inferring a family headship) and δέσποτα (despot, in the Greek this simply implies a king with absolute, unlimited power, unconstrained by external laws, but is not necessarily tyrannical).
    In many places, sovereign is just added to the scripture where there is no other word that it's supposedly replacing. Example, in the NIV you will often see "Sovereign Lord" and the only word in the Greek is κύριος (lord).
    A sovereign is a type of ruler that is impersonal. The God I serve is relational.
    A sovereign is immovable. The God I serve hears and is moved by our prayers.
    A sovereign is a meticulous controller (sounds sort of Calvinist, eh?). The God I serve has designed us with free-will.
    Personally, I never use this unbiblical word to describe our King of Kings, Lord, our Mighty Fortress, our Savior, our Wise Counsellor (and several other descriptions that isn't "sovereign"). Sovereign is a word that Calvin used to describe God and I think it was in order to make excuses for why God (in their view) arbitrarily selects only some to be saved and passes over the rest..."it's a mystery, God is sovereign!".
    I think calling God "sovereign" plays into the hands of the Calvinists when there are plenty of other adequate ways (which are actually biblical) to express our understanding of God.

    • @eelikh
      @eelikh 10 місяців тому +2

      Doesn’t this reveal that the KJV is in-fact better/more pure than the new versions? I used to be reformed and used the ESV for 8 years and NIV for 5. I dropped both of them after researching the Bible version issue. There are MASSIVE differences between the KJV and any other modern English version. Verses missing, important words changed or missing and doctrine-altering words removed as well.
      I 100% trust and believe every word of my KJV. Check for yourself! Your modern version tells you to doubt Mark 16:9-20 (it’s in brackets in most modern versions).

    • @TheGuy..
      @TheGuy.. 10 місяців тому

      @@eelikh I have serious issues with the NIV and ESV (as I mentioned on the "sovereignty" issue, and more) where I don't have as many issues with the CSB or NASB. However, with those I still have problems. Greek is my 2nd language. I lived in Larissa Greece back in the 70's and have continued with the language since then. With the KJV, I have many problems with that also and have found the NKJV to have corrected "some" of those problems, but not all.
      For non-Greek speakers, I suggest using a parallel Bible and when you see apparent conflicts you can refer to a Greek-English interlinear Bible which will be a more technically accurate translation (though it may again be difficult to understand because of the grammar differences and figurative expressions of the ancient Greek or Hebrew culture...I have to do that with the Hebrew OT since I really don't know more than about 20 of their words. With the OT, I'll often look to the Septuagint).
      Even with the ancient κοίνε Greek, I'll occasionally have difficulty with that since Greek has changed quite a bit over the last 2000 years. I can even see a slight difference between the later writings of John with the earlier writings of Paul, though it may only be style differences.
      On this, since the Greeks have the continued experience of their own language, I'll often refer to their modern translations (on those difficulties) since they would have understood their own earlier cultural expressions better than us English speakers, lol.
      The Greeks also have the same problem we do in deciding what should be included as canonical (such as the Mark 16 and other transmission line differences). On this, we can still tell from the text that is consistent between all the lines of transmission what is the correct core message and nature of what God would expect us to understand of scripture and of Him.
      When you say you trust 100% every word of the KJV, why? There were several English translations before the KJV...Tyndale, Wycliff, Cloverdale, Bishops etc. People of those days would have to do the same with their translations...refer to the original Greek and Hebrew text for clarity. Why? Because the translations are translated by those with their own biases and by those who don't know the original language as well as they think they do (which includes the KJV translators).
      Translators translate using what is called scribal glossing which is to make the translation read smoother (in their opinion) and in doing so they will sometimes select words without foreseeing the future interpretation difficulties.
      Also, they use what is called inserting dynamic equivalences. This is where an expression, which would be totally foreign to us, is replaced with a figurative equivalence which can be more easily understood by us. And when that happens, you can imagine the "lost in translation" problems there.
      One of the best things for us to do is to examine ourselves and pray that we are being led by God to understand Him and His Word and His expectations correctly. When we do that, He will excuse our mistaken ignorance (that is Biblical) but may not excuse our rebellious biased arrogance (I'm not saying that is what you are doing, lol).
      Anyway, from my studies, that's just my conclusions on all of this.

    • @TheGuy..
      @TheGuy.. 10 місяців тому

      @@eelikh I just got curious as to what influences you have. I like many of the channels that you subscribe to but then I ran into the Cody Zorn show. How can you sit in the pews there and listen to that over animated hollering chanting display? Preachers like that love to be seen and heard by those who just accept everything they say. Just listen to the people sitting in the pews worked up into an emotional frenzy, like sheep being led to the slaughter. He hollers King James only and you believe it.
      If his message is true, then why can't he preach like he talks in a normal civilized conversation? I thought his head was going to burst open.
      He has a pulpit where he can yell at the top of his lungs and nobody questions it. When people (whether atheist or a visiting Christian like me) come to a church like that for the first time they usually will either say "forget this, this a madhouse" or they will be the type that will fall for any cultish teaching with a need for belonging anywhere they will be accepted (though I was glad to hear he wasn't Calvinist).
      Don't get me wrong. Much of what he said was correct and true but often the truth gets error laced in unnoticed.
      Here's a challenge for you. Question his King James only view and watch his reaction. See if he will allow a calm, slow moving, intellectual discussion on that without him immediately throwing up his defense shields. OR, bring up my challenge on the unbiblical use of the word sovereign, which even the King James Version doesn't use to describe our Creator God. But mainly, watch how he reacts to YOU.
      Btw, I won't bother you anymore. I'll only reply if you reply back. I just felt led to respond back to you this one more time.

  • @edgarsalaf
    @edgarsalaf 10 місяців тому +3

    Thank you, you made my day! I’m thankful that God unchangeably decreed me to watch this 😂

  • @electricguysvcs
    @electricguysvcs 10 місяців тому +2

    I use a term when I meet people like these speakers:
    ""They're so smart that they are Stupid"
    this doesn't mean that I don't love them or believe that they are not saved
    Calvinism seems to embrace self intellect most of the time

  • @bornagainbeliever1429
    @bornagainbeliever1429 10 місяців тому +10

    Lol! I didn’t realize this was satire until I read the comments- This was really good 😅 of course I laughed at Lawsons comments, but scratching my head with Whites comments.. thanks for showing literally what they believe!

  • @jmatt5152
    @jmatt5152 10 місяців тому +5

    Minute 5:43. Grand slam homer. If my Calvinist friends can’t laugh at this I’m not sure we can friends😂.

  • @St.Irenaeus
    @St.Irenaeus 9 місяців тому

    Dude howwww did you do the voices!? This was hilarious. I had to stop and realize this was satire. Beautifully done!!! 👏🏽

    • @IdolKiller
      @IdolKiller  9 місяців тому

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @st.christopher1155
    @st.christopher1155 8 місяців тому

    I have an ex-Catholic friend who is a “devout” atheist. We have interesting discussions about topics like determinism, etc. I told him that his beliefs about determinism were very much aligned with Augustine (5th century) and Calvin (16th century). He responded by saying, “I am just one god away from being in the same camp as them”. So true and yet so sad for both the deceived Calvinists and those that they poison ☠️ with their fatalistic beliefs.
    ☦️🙏🏼📖

    • @IdolKiller
      @IdolKiller  8 місяців тому

      The "Atheists believe in one God less than you" claim is so tired. "People who failed math just believe in one less solution than you." Yet they see this as a reasonable utterance. Praying for your friend

  • @VictorFelipe82
    @VictorFelipe82 10 місяців тому +3

    Beautifully crafted!

  • @TyehimbaJahsi
    @TyehimbaJahsi 8 місяців тому

    It's so cool (and scary!) how you were able to put this together. Hats off to you!🎩👍

  • @christian_gamer_guy6447
    @christian_gamer_guy6447 10 місяців тому +2

    Haha I love this so much. And it's really refreshing to hear these people finally be honest. I want to hear a whole conference now! Haha

  • @daughterofyeshuaa
    @daughterofyeshuaa 10 місяців тому +1

    I pray your channel reaches many people.

    • @IdolKiller
      @IdolKiller  10 місяців тому

      Thank you so much!!!

  • @hudsontd7778
    @hudsontd7778 10 місяців тому +5

    Wow that was Funny, I can't wait for next year Conference.
    Typed in Sovereign/Sovereignty in KJV Bible word search and NOTHING shows up?
    Story as truth making is the god of Calvinism and vain philosophy is the paradyme.

  • @mrnoedahl
    @mrnoedahl 10 місяців тому +1

    EXCELLENT VIDEO. Great job exposing the inconsistencies of Calvinism by the very people who unfortunately preach it. They are preaching another gospel which they are not suppose to do. And will be held accountable for it. I would not want to be in their shoes come judgment day.

  • @timrockholt8782
    @timrockholt8782 10 місяців тому +3

    That was awesome!

    • @IdolKiller
      @IdolKiller  10 місяців тому +1

      Glad you liked it!

  • @gracemercywrath8767
    @gracemercywrath8767 10 місяців тому +3

    “Americans don’t understand Kings” 😂

  • @Redimido42
    @Redimido42 10 місяців тому +8

    Funny and sad at the same time

  • @user-jj4iz4nq2h
    @user-jj4iz4nq2h 10 місяців тому +3

    Ive heard people compare calvinism to being cult like. Years ago I listened to a speaker explain how to identify a cult based on 4 simple math questions.
    Are there Additions to scripture? Beyond the bible do they give authority to other writing?
    Do they subtract from who Christ is? Is Jesus' power, authority, and deity challenged or diminished?
    Do you see them multiplying the way of salvation? Is salvation purely based on faith alone or is your salvation also hinged on works?
    Lastly ask is there a division of loyalty? Are you asked to obey teachings or follow the leadership without questioning them at all even when you disagree? This I would say is specific to a church where leadership is authoritarian and controlling.
    When I really think about these 4 areas in relation to calvinism I see some red flags going up.

  • @HarrisBeauchamp
    @HarrisBeauchamp 10 місяців тому +1

    Holy cow… Warren this might be your best work yet

  • @melissaschubert1653
    @melissaschubert1653 10 місяців тому +2

    Excellent! :)

  • @nathanhellrung9810
    @nathanhellrung9810 10 місяців тому +2

    This is GOLD!

  • @Larry_Wolfe
    @Larry_Wolfe 10 місяців тому +18

    Warren, you kill me 🙂 The satire of the prophet is always the best. Yet I struggle laughing in the midst of this nonsense.

  • @Sine-of-the-Times
    @Sine-of-the-Times 10 місяців тому +4

    Mastering Satire, once again.

  • @MrTimotheousWard
    @MrTimotheousWard 10 місяців тому +2

    That parody logo is brutal

  • @stephenmorrison335
    @stephenmorrison335 10 місяців тому +2

    😄 This is the most honest Calvinist Conference I have ever seen! Great Work Warren!

  • @r.rodriguez4991
    @r.rodriguez4991 9 місяців тому +1

    Really captured James White well except for one thing. He would never say God is a utility. He would say God is a diamond orb shaped utility.

  • @chrispedayo
    @chrispedayo 10 місяців тому +1

    This is brilliant. Welcome back 🤣

  • @timothymcdonald7407
    @timothymcdonald7407 10 місяців тому +13

    This is just outstanding. Thank you. It warms my heart to see Johnny MacArthur and his stable of eunuchs, shown the phoneys that they are.

  • @mikemaynard5481
    @mikemaynard5481 10 місяців тому +8

    Keep dunking on them Warren.

  • @AlanaL3
    @AlanaL3 10 місяців тому +1

    I cannot stop pausing to laugh….holy smokes. This is my favorite lol

  • @ruthsnively7248
    @ruthsnively7248 8 місяців тому +1

    This is so sick!!!! Not the video, but the Calvinism perversion of the great and glorious Gospel!!!!!! Thank you for these simple videos that expose the false teaching.

  • @heatherwoods5703
    @heatherwoods5703 8 місяців тому

    "You have such nice suits and million-dollar smiles... it feels safe to agree with you."😂

  • @lilnallie05
    @lilnallie05 10 місяців тому +2

    It saddens me that these guys are so big on UA-cam. They were the first people I saw when I first started watching Christian videos and almost turned me off from the faith. Praise the LORD I found Mike Winger (😂) but I wonder how many people just stopped looking into the faith for the truth. I’m now listening to Sam lol .

  • @sylviaa5785
    @sylviaa5785 10 місяців тому +1

    It took me a minute to realise what was going on. Absolutely hilarious and clever 😅

  • @1995dodgetruck
    @1995dodgetruck 4 місяці тому

    These "Honest Calvinist " posts are good. Informing!

  • @richardallangarcia
    @richardallangarcia 9 місяців тому +1

    Before the foundation of the Earth, this was decreed to be hilarious.

  • @John3.36
    @John3.36 10 місяців тому +2

    I for one meticulously welcome our new honest overlords.

  • @davidasholesjr181
    @davidasholesjr181 8 місяців тому

    Wow!
    This is amazingly well done!
    I still don't understand how much of it was AI and how much of it was "mad lib" interjected, or directly scripted word for word, but I literally laughed out loud a few times.
    Rare.
    God caring about the miniscule flatulence... hilarious.
    Thanks for putting this together and sharing it.
    Now I'm sincerely praying whether or not it would be beneficial to post on Facebook and see rebuttals or silence from my Calvinist friends

    • @IdolKiller
      @IdolKiller  8 місяців тому

      I recommend posting such things with something like: "Whether you're a Calvinist or not, this is funny." This way they're presented with the entailments from a position of humor, rather than conflict. If I can get them laughing, then thinking... well, hopefully we can get them free

  • @Bullseyeguy8
    @Bullseyeguy8 10 місяців тому +1

    Absolutely hilarious and fantastic!

    • @IdolKiller
      @IdolKiller  10 місяців тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @Day_Jyer
    @Day_Jyer 6 місяців тому

    Dude! I almost drove off the road laughing!! 😂😂💥💥

  • @joserivera8429
    @joserivera8429 10 місяців тому +1

    Gold. Just gold.

  • @AndrewKeifer
    @AndrewKeifer 2 місяці тому

    I actually downloaded this video to my hard drive so I can watch it any time!

  • @carlpittenger
    @carlpittenger 9 місяців тому +2

    absolutely on point; Calvinism is an atheism factory.

    • @carlpittenger
      @carlpittenger 9 місяців тому +1

      it was of course pre-determined that i would receive a heart

    • @IdolKiller
      @IdolKiller  9 місяців тому +1

      @@carlpittenger indeed!

  • @carrieahicks2
    @carrieahicks2 10 місяців тому +1

    Hilarious. Good job Warren!

  • @matthewjoyal1818
    @matthewjoyal1818 9 місяців тому

    praying for you all God Bless

  • @g-manthenurseman7532
    @g-manthenurseman7532 10 місяців тому

    I wish you could hear my best, thick, Texas accent when I say “You ain’t right!” This is incredibly funny stuff. 👍🏻

  • @EricVida
    @EricVida 10 місяців тому

    "we believe we're elected, because we believe we're elect." had a giggle, but it's sadly accurate.

  • @danielrodriguesaoe
    @danielrodriguesaoe 10 місяців тому

    3:08 What's actually ironic is that Vincent Cheung, who is likely the only truly honest Calvinist/'Monergist', does not shy away from saying that the core points of Calvinism directly imply that God would be, in his own words, 'the author of sin'...

  • @johngraves9237
    @johngraves9237 10 місяців тому +2

    This cracked me up!😂😂😅😅

  • @ChristinaBiasca
    @ChristinaBiasca 10 місяців тому

    I am brand new to your channel and I was so confused at first. I thought this was a REAL conference. It took me until James White who seemed like there was a lag in the audio/video to realize what this was. Brilliant! This was too funny and actually what they say so it convinced me it was legit! LOL

    • @IdolKiller
      @IdolKiller  10 місяців тому +1

      Welcome to the channel! Thank you!!!

  • @tonyramos1204
    @tonyramos1204 4 місяці тому

    Better ingredients, better pizza , papa johns 😂😂😂😂😂😂 that was crazy 😂😂😂😂

  • @WitWisdomandWhatnot
    @WitWisdomandWhatnot 10 місяців тому +3

    😂😂 And to think Papa John’s used to be my favorite pizza

    • @vifcole
      @vifcole 10 місяців тому +1

      Fortunately, God is faithful to forgive and grant freedom from Papa John's... for those predestined to eat Domino's from the foundation of the world.

  • @metot1
    @metot1 10 місяців тому +1

    This craziness of Calvinism is predestined by God. 😂