New Tesla Model 3 Standard LFP v Long Range v Performance - real world range and charge compared!
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- Опубліковано 11 січ 2022
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Well this was interesting!
I’ve recently been driving the latest Model 3 Standard Plus ( previously known as SR+ ) and it’s remarkably efficient. In the real world I don’t think it can be too far off the bigger battery Longe Range and Performance models for range.
But there’s only one way to see. Drive them side by side in convoy at the same time on the same roads at the same speed!
LFP can be charged to 100% daily compared to the others 90%. It looks like this then equates to the same range! The others only gaining if you charge to trip level.
It’s a cold day including rain sleet and snow but we set off and head for Rugby Services.
We measure their efficiency both with and without supercharging pre-heating. We then work out pro rata range for each.
And yes we checked all tyre pressures. And yes we swapped the order of the cars in convoy to ensure no aero advantages.
Then we can map the charging profile for each car. How long will it take to add 100miles, 150miles and also replenish all that was used to get there?
I found it interesting and I hope you do too.
Richard Symons
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For me the LFP battery is a game changer. It can be 100 percent charged every time, is more rugged, degrades less quickly than the other type batteries, contains fewer of the precious materials, able to receive twice as many charge cycles in its life time. Yes it is heavier for a given capacity but yet again Tesla have shown the way forward.
Agree exciting times ahead 😀
Also affected by cold weather more too, do nothing for range, and will only be offered in standard range vehicles.
The main reason for the switch is profit margins as they are cheaper. Because of their weight, they'll be kept ro shorter range vehicles.
They are also not exclusive to Tesla, and you can expect them in ither standard range vehicles in the future.
Great that battery tech is moving forward though, the real jump forward will be the Panasonic 4680 cylindrical battery, which can store 5 times as much power as current Teslas can.
LFPs degrade when excessively charged to 100% too. Not as bad as Li Ion, but quite a lot, do your research. The only reason Tesla is suggesting to charge to 100% is so that the BMS knows where is up and down. On LFP, anything below 90% and above 10% is almost exactly the same voltage so unless you do 10-100% charges the BMS is screwed. But 100% is not good for LFPs either. Also, even at 100% charging and almost all DC charging you can still expect maximum 10-12% degradation on Li Ion after 150-200,000km, which is more than most people do in the lifetime of the car... Maybe 5% on LFP, not a difference there.
@@guybrushthreepwood3002 lets first see what the 4860 is before we make suggestions. I think initially these will be a let down - too much hype
@@marcusbiller867 LFP battery is lithium battery too. (Lithium Iron Phosphate, LFP)
We are here in Brazil always rooting for your success and that you continue to send us early and relevant information for the motorsport scenario of the future! thanks !
Your convoy comparisons are always some of the most interesting and well made real world testing!
Terrific video and comparison! Love my 2021 M3 SR+ and have found it to be a very road worthy family (2 adults, 2 teenage boys) vehicle during the 9months / 10,000 miles I’ve driven it. It’s been on a few round trips of 1,000-1,200 miles.
I’ve got a spring trip from California to Kentucky (~2,500 miles one way) coming up and I’m very excited to see how the car performs.
Thanks for the great work and enduring freezing cold! Stay warm.
Excellent real world experiment. Selling my pickup truck and buying a Tesla 3. Was stuck between standard and extended range. Seeing your results, I am going standard! Not worth the extra 5K for about 25 miles distance. I'm glad I found this video.
Big fan from Canada. Subscribed shortly after receiving my 2021 M3 LR this past September and have learned so much from this channel. Thank you!
Just ordered my model 3 standard and this has calmed my nerves about range anxiety. Thank you
Amazing test! Just what I was looking for. Thanks so much for what you and your team do!
Thanks for all the hard enjoyable work that went into this real world range test
A perfect report, thanks! I particularly liked the spreadsheet data at the end, rather than spoken detail,during the film, it’s easier for me t understand the comparison. Cheers guys!
Another great video. I understand the value of the LFP batteries being able to charge to 100% on a daily basis, but a journey like this for me would be a proper road trip where I would charge my LR AWD M3 to 100% . So it would be good to see the comparison with 100% charge in all cars. Maybe a journey of 275 miles including charging .
Embrace your geekery and numbers! As someone with a science background, I really enjoyed the data obtained and graphs in this video. Especially in real world conditions. Really helped me make an informed decision between a standard model and Longe Range model. Keep up the good videos!!
Another great video! Was waiting for a comparison of the 3 versions. Thanks so much.
Exactly what I was wondering about (and I love a good spreadsheet). Thanks for doing the analysis, very useful.
Spot on Richard 👍🏼 ..with the changes and updates in recent times I’ve been waiting for a direct comparison video. Thank you sir 🙏🏼
Great video. I appreciate that you educated viewers about pre-conditioning and included that as part of a pre-road trip checklist.
Great comparison, and putting the stats on the screen really helped, thanks!
You have one of the best channels discussing Tesla’s. You guys actually give relevant information vs the goofy “ things I wish I knew” type stuff way too many UA-camrs are doing with goofy thumbnails and useless stuff. Keep it up.
Thank you so much for doing this real-world comparison Richard! Really isn’t much in it between SR+ (LFP) and LR! 🙌
Enjoy watching your videos!! Both you and your team.....Excellent work!!!
The best data analysis I have seen on UA-cam! This makes me happy with my choice of the standard range, although I was stuck with opting for the performance rims for a faster delivery date. But shouldn't hurt the range too much especially since I live in LA,CA.
Great details and content much appreciated all the effort that goes into making this 👍
Another great convoy range test. Love the addition of the consumption and estimated range graphics.
Another great video. Really interesting to see the new SR perform so well in comparison. Like others, I'd like to see the LR with 18 areos.
excellent! thanks for taking the time to produce such a video/test. (y)
Very interesting to see a real world comparison. Great work.
sir your videos are amazing! such a easy watch any time of the day!
Good video. Loving the trance music too. I’ve noticed my long range drop it’s range quite a bit but nothing too bad. Roll on the summer 🤣
Nice video Richard,getting my RWD in the next couple of weeks after what seems like waiting decades.Keep up the great work. Mike
Thanks for another great video update. Great to see the data well done take care and safe travels
Always quality and fascinating real world rEViews 👏🏽
I just love your channel, videos & indepth yet simplistic analysis/so easy anyone to understand.👍
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Excellent perspective, very well done and thought through.
Great comparison. Thank you for all the effort.
Love the numbers and the graph. Great information
Great job. Well done. Interesting. And clear!
Excellent comparison, thanks Richard.
Great video and data! Definetly a great channel, i subscribed as well keep it up!
Thanks for providing the figures also in metric, greetings from 🇩🇪
AWESOME! THANK YOU, THAT HELPED A LOT TO MAKE MY DECISION ON MY MODEL 3 PURCHASE.
Excellent video. Great analysis!
Thank you for this video. Much needed.
Now waiting for Model Y comparisons ones you can get your hands on it.
I don't like Tesla's, but had to watch your video anyway, such a great channel 😉. And thanks for adding the kWh/100km. Great job as always. 👍👍
Very useful, nicely done, thanks a lot!
Very informative and well presented. Thank You.
I find these comparison tests absolutely fascinating, Richard - thank you as always...
But, oh my Lord man...
Whilst I'm one for stats and data - jeez, fella... your spreadsheet at the end gave me brain freeze...!! 🤣
Really enjoyed that! Have you got a 2022 version of the same vid?
Nice one, i really liked that comparison. cheers
Very informative. Thank you.
This was so helpful thank you
Another great video! Thanks!
Great video! Keep up the good work
Richard, since speaking to you about the Model S, seeing this and other videos, I am changing to a Model 3. This video is definitely going above and beyond. Really great videos. I'll call you soon regarding a Model 3
Keep up the good work, it's very much appreciated 👍
Great dedicated EV channel... subscribers should explode this year. GREAT CONTENT!
Great video again. It shows how good the SR is. Although saying that I have a MIC LR on 18” standard wheels with aero covers. Would be interesting to find out what the LR on 18s would have got compared to 19”s…
And did you take into consideration degradation? (Or very similar mileage in 3 cars?).
And those total ranges on P and LR.. based on the 90%? As if I was going to do a 200m trip, especially in winter, would charge to 100%…
Thanks again! Keep at it!! 👍👍
Excellent video. Thanks
Excellent to see "time to add miles" as a stat ! Hopefully you will be leading others reviewers doing that.
Another great video, great stats and good to see associated costs. I think the SR is the no brainer choice looking at those stats.
Great video Richard.
I am considering buying a Model 3 so this range comparison is really useful. Thx for your work.
Really nice video. I have one remark for the 3D graph that you showed. Like my Data Analysis teacher once said: "There is no need for 3D if 2D explains everything already".
Excellent as always.
Very interesting analysis video. Also interesting on how Tesla has managed to keep all the M3 models so close for range in real world driving. Keep them coming. Summer comparison? (when the time comes, of course, and given that the same cars are available for test)
Really good video 👍🏻 thanks a lot
Fantastic video!
Amazing channel. Thanks.
Great video, thank you
I have a 2019 Model 3 SR+ with 45,000km on the clock running 19s and full charge too 100% gets me 353km on the dash which it never does anyway unless driving like miss daisy. Be good to see a comparison of maybe 3 of the same eg early SR+ 2018/9 and then a 2020 and then a MIC with the latest battery pack. Mix it up with a high mileage one for variety.
Great stuff as always, your a blessing to the EV world.
Great video as usual 🙂👍
Nice editing!
Excellent episode! I would add that if a driver was attempting a long - one or more stop to supercharge journey - you might at least start off from home with 100%. So the Lon Range may get another 30 miles before needing to stop (or get away from the charger earlier) and similarly for the Intercooled Turbo. I mean Performance. However, if you don't care for spleen shattering acceleration and can do without an active sub and front fogs then the "base model" with heated steering wheel, electric boot lid makes a compelling package for the price.
Really enjoy the videos, thank you! Hope to get a Tesla Model 3 Performance soon in New Zealand. Keep up the great work ✌
Excellent content!
Another great analysis RSymons. But I guess the results are as expected. Basically, all Model 3s are rear wheel drive. The dual motor M3s have front wheel traction control and do not drive the front wheels unless the rears slip. The dual motors are heavier so would be slightly less efficient that the rear wheel only drive. The driving conditions were quite benign and wouldn't have engaged traction control at all, so the front motors never drew any power - only if preconditioning was turned on prior to supercharging. Congratulations win the success of the channel.
I ordered the M3LR mainly for the AWD - the larger battery was just a bonus although given the distances in Australia, it will undoubtedly be very handy for longer trips. Cheers and thanks for all your efforts to help educate us.
I'm in Oz and got the M3LR - it's great (if you have the extra cash for the LR) - although the extra juice in reserve is for running the aircon in summer (this zero degrees stuff is fairly irrelevant when there are more real world 30-40 or more degree days..).
The SR+ would also be fine - just would spend a bit more time at super chargers, but boy they are quick.. a bit too quick sometimes!
Performance has AWD too.
great test and analysis
Well done test, very interesting
Really appreciate your methodology used to make the video content. So many UA-camrs do these comparisons utilizing sequential testing instead of parallel testing. This is particularly erroneous when comparing different manufacturers’ models. Thank.
Great video! I do like that the SR can be charged to 100%. I think that that makes it a decent purchase. Part of me is thinking of buying another SR+ with LFP just so I would have less range anxiety with daily commutes. I have a LR on order after selling our SR+
Great test. Time to add miles is the only recharge metric that matters. Its the one I care about - how long to recharge to do another 2+ hrs of driving on a nearly empty battery - in winter. My SR+ is 25mins - just time for a coffee and a pee.
4:53 can we just take a moment to notice that reverse parking...
I also like the VW Fox at 5:25 going forward until he bumps into the curb. Amazing parking skills there.
Excellent video
Great Video . Have you ever tried the model 3 performance with 18 inch standard wheels . Just a thought to see how much it does in Range
John
Great video! Very informative 👍 Have you ever done one of these comparisons without the heat pumps? Cheers ⚡️
We did a long range old v long range new video. Ie one without heat pump.
They were the same, but it wasn’t cold weather
Yet again I'm so impressed with the efficiency of that new Standard Range battery, esp in the cold temperatures you drove in. It is such good value for money. Almost makes it worth considering instead of the long range even if you can afford the long range, esp for 7-8k less............
I wish people would more often quote time to add 100 miles of range. Time from 10-80% penalizes large batteries and doesn't take into account efficiency. It also gives a sense of what a road trip would look like if you were trying to reach the destination as quickly as possible (short charges keeping the battery under 70%).
Even spending about 23 mins to add 150 miles is completely acceptable to me.
How should I be preheating the car before a journey? The schedule thing is a bit weird to use when it’s a one off journey. Am I good just heating the cabin up or should I be preheating the battery too if I want to get max efficiency for a particular journey?
Also, is there any benefit to charging to 50% instead of 90% for the traditional (non LiPo) batteries?
Hope you’ll make content with the BMW i4 you took along for this test as well!!
Omg! Thank you so much for this video. I’ve been debating on which one to get wether the LR or the standard but I wasn’t sure if the LR was worth it if you didn’t really get the mileage they claim you’ll get and I see that you don’t if it’s not technically at 100% charge. This was very helpful in my decision thank you again.
Nice video, but was I misreading the stats, it seemed to show longer charging times for the pre-heated charges?
Brilliant! Thanks
Thank you, Nice report...what was the average speed?
Great review & the standard range holds up well 👍 be interesting to see what figures you get the same trip in the height of summer.
Thank you , for the info, really usefull
great video
This video is helping me lean towards the model 3 RWD now!
I think unless you want the performance or need the 4wd it’s the one to have!
It’s plenty quick enough and has lots of grip. Tesla traction is excellent.
Why carry things you don’t need (the front motor usually sits there not doing much anyway!)
Do the dual motor vehicles give better regen from the two motors (when used) in town so therefore gain longer mileage when driven in that type of situation?
I like your test methods. Do you also rotate who's in the lead so that all the cars experience the same amount of drafting which has significant effects even at normal highway spacing. Bjorn Nyland runs a lot of tests but conditions aren't standardized. Temperature, wind, rain have large effects.
Really informative...makes the decision to go with the S+ much more appealing...
Good content as always! Would be nice to see a convoy test between ev6, model y and Mach e
We should get our Y in Feb BUT in meantime see recent range comparison video. In that we use the 3 long range because we’ve tested that alongside the Y before and it was about identical efficiency..!