I only supercharge mine, since It's not possible for me to charge at home. I'm from Denmark so the price for gas is at 8$ pr gallon, where I pay 0.29$ pr KWh. A gallon of fuel would get me about 42 miles, where I will get 110-120 miles in my Tesla for the same price. So for me It's worth it. In the longrun I hope also
Here in California… I use superchargers primarily. It’s way cheaper than gas still, at least here! I know other states it levels off. I usually spend $15-30 a week, depending on what times I go. I like going late for the cheap $3-$5 charges. Beats my old Honda Civic where I was paying $70 a week for gas. However, yes, I’m interested in seeing if my Model 3 will survive the long haul as I am planning on keeping it for years! Hey, I don’t mind being asked in a few years if my battery dies out of warranty… lol wish me luck!
If you are a single dude yes you can go out on weird hours and sit there. For those who have family and children may not be ideal……just saying. I will never buy an EV wo home charging or at work. My work offers free charging and it is always full, guys gets in real early to take spots. After 9am, forget about it.
In LA and I use superchargers as well. Actually love the experience of going to different supercharger locations. When I’m only going to work through the week, charging once last about 8 days. Before when I was driving a Nissan Altima I was filling up every four days, paying about 60 dollars each time. I’m saving a ton of money now as I rarely pay over $21 to charge anywhere from 80 to 90 percent. Supercharging is not the same as paying for gas unless you driving hundreds of miles every day, driving fast and using heater/aircon
Supercharge is extremely hard on the batter fyi once a month ok, but if you want longevity for your battery it is NOT using a DC level 3. ie supercharge.
Turtle3000 I’ve taken my 2019 M3 on road trips from the Bay Area to Utah, Reno, Yellowstone and several times to LA. I’ll charge to 90 to 100 % for long trips, and have seen almost no battery degradation. Range is about 290 miles. For the record, the car never came close to the EPA estimate of 310. In reality, there are enough superchargers across the country, that it’s really unnecessary to charge to 100% on long trips.
@@jesse6344 Nice! I did my first long trip, LA to Vegas, and it did well! I only had to stop once! Going on 8 months, almost always supercharging. Seems to be going well so far!
Here in NJ the state would not approve the Tesla charger for incentives and so I ended up with a ChargePoint which works fine. I got the $750 electricians bill paid. I charge my "3" from my "3" to 40% from my house power and then up to 80% with solar if the sunlight is a available. This gives me the most free miles. On a cloudy day I charge to 60%.......my car is only 4 months old and so I`ll wait till November and check the battery degradation then. Thank you for excellent advice!
I have a LRMY and I drive 40k miles annually for work. My drives are mostly predictable, so it makes it easy for me to charge to 50% soc and leave the car plugged in at that soc over night. It charges to 70%-80% in the morning right before I leave. I rarely ever use superchargers and I use public free chargers while working as well.
Home charging with a 240 plug was a total game changer. I can run the battery down below 50% now most of the time and recoup the charge quickly. Super off peak hours here are .03 per kwh which feels like theft compared to the price of my old v8 and v10 cars 😂
It’s like having your own gas station at home. Regular wall socket charging has been enough for me. Got a couple of superchargers about 2mi away,. Also have evgo and ChargePoint within the same area too. I’ve used the supercharger 3x at most this year. I also have a Toyota suv, not a hybrid. I filled up about a month ago, it’s been sitting in my garage. The Tesla seems more fun. And I have all the bells and whistles on my RAV4. Totally changed my life.
Great video. I installed a Nema 6-20. IMO this a great balance of charging rate and cost. It charges my M3 at 16 miles of range per hour which is plenty for my 40-50 miles of daily driving. Agree 100% with if you can’t charge at home don’t buy an EV
(Aug 28, 2023) A new report from Recurrent, which has access to data from over 12,500 Tesla vehicles in the US through its software service, now shows clearly that there’s little to no difference in battery degradation between frequent fast charging and rare fast charging:
It all comes down to battery temperature regulation and throttling down the charge rate when close to full. Modern EV's are much better at these things than early Prius days. Tesla's software is very good at optimization of battery conditions, at all times!
I own a Tesla model 3 performance, 2023, and only drive it once a week. And I only charge it once a week. I stay within Tesla's parameters. No lower than 20% and no higher than 80 percent. I keep the battery between 40 percent and 80 percent all the time. I do not use superchargers, only level 2. I have not noticed any degradation. For example I travel 30 mi one way and I use roughly 10% of my battery. That has been consistent for the last year. It's never changed! I'm not putting down supercharging but I don't do it and I think it it does help keep the battery healthy.
Your anecdotal evidence means absolutely squat. Also you can't just say my battery has no degradation because I didn't notice any degradation, you need solid tests if you want to be able to make these statements in an ethical manner. And I guarantee you didn't use Tesla's battery check service.
I stated what’s occurred on my vehicle over the last year and a half. Hey loosen up I was just stating what I’ve been doing and what I’ve been experiencing. Sorry I made you have a bad day. It’s not a blanket statement about doing it my way it’s just the only way I’ve been able to do it. Yes sir, might be some derogation, but I have not noticed it yet without doing a test.
You're the first tesla reviewer to mention supercharging is close to or equal to gas prices! I've had that argument with people and they keep telling me I'm wrong. Thank you for including this tidbit!
Depends on the fuel economy of your IC vehicle. Over the past 5 years I've noted that Tesla generally sets charging prices to equal the cost per mile for a 50 MPG IC vehicle....a Prius. So, yes, fueling costs are about the same as for a Prius. Of course the performance is about that of a BMW M2/3, which consume over twice that of a Prius, and it's more expensive fuel. Bottom line is that fueling at Superchargers fuels your M2/3 equivalent car at the cost of fueling a Prius. Pretty good deal.
The Absolute SOC was very helpful. I always thought ending the day around 50% was the best for my battery but now I know I know to end my day around 20%. NOt that it's going to have a huge impact on my battery health but at least I know it's not bad to end the day around 20%.
Just picked up a 2016 Model X 90D with 64k miles and loving it, new subscriber! Went with the mobile connector to start lvl1, but already purchased the Hubbell 14-50 as they are under $50 now, easy upgrade to lvl2! Thanks for the content 🙌
What do you mean is it efficient? It is free power, other than the initial outlays for the equipment. The draws on a solar power supplied system is going to be the exact same efficiency as a grid powered system. So what are you talking about?
I'm not an expert on the effectiveness of solar power! what i meant by my question was will I have enough solar panels to charge the battery or would it just be easier to plug it up. No need to be a dick about it!
@@jasonpoland1607 really? Because your "question" is what gas fanatics try to pull off when arguing against battery power. Surely you might not be but this is how you have to respond to those individuals.
That's what happens when you ASSume!! I have solar panels on my house jackass!!! as I mentioned before, I was wondering if I had enough on my house in order 2 make it feasible to charge a Tesla battery? I just recently purchased a Tesla model 3, and that was the whole thing point of my question.
If you can’t charge at home, look to see if there’s public level 2 charging near your home or workplace. You definitely won’t save too much over an ice car, but if it’s not inconvenient to plug in at work or overnight you still enjoy the no gas station life. If you have to supercharge, it’s basically like owning an ice car… inconvenient
TIP: If you charge at home and need 100% charge for the next day, adjust the amps (charge rate) to where the estimated time of full charge lines up with when you depart the next day. This way it won't sit at 100% for too long before driving.
I do 100% fast chargings on my tesla model 3 2023 and i have a non LFP battery. I have 16k miles so far. Lets see how will it hold up in long term. I dont go under 18% and charge upto 80%.
Say you’re going on a vacation for a couple of weeks and can’t keep it plugged in, how bad is that for the battery, and, what level of charge should it be left at?
@@rollaroundtheworld oh sorry, I didn’t read. It’s not gonna be terrible for the battery I wouldn’t worry too much about out. Turn off cabin heat protection and sentry mode, charge it to 50-60 and while you’re gone try as little as possible to open the app up and check on the car and the battery won’t lose very much charge at all. Some people say account for 1% loss per day and that’s definitely an over estimation but charge enough to leave you with enough to get to a charger after losing that many percent when you get back and it won’t hurt it at all cheers
I wish I could follow your tips, but I get free supercharging so when I have to choose between free charging or at home charging, nearly 100% of the time it’s been supercharging. Great tips though!
@@Mike6.0 Some people when they originally bought their Tesla, got free supercharging... for the life of the car. One of my neighbors managed to get it transferred to a new Tesla when bought it. He has two Teslas. One he charges at home, the other, with its free unlimited supercharging, he only charges away from home. I have free supercharging until Oct 6th due to my new car having a crack in the overhead glass on the day I bought it, so they gave me 3 months of free charging. So there are a couple ways you can end up with it. But mainly it would apply (as unlimited) to people that bought certain Teslas, years ago...
The best way to charge your Tesla is via 240V at home using electricity generated by your solar panels. Longest battery life and lowest cost. The other alternative is to live in the Jackson, Wyoming area where electricity is 6 cents a KWH. Compared to fueling a BMW M2/3 (similar performance vehicles) at 20 mpg with premium fuel at $3.50 a gallon, for 300 miles of driving the BMW would cost $52.50, while the Tesla would cost $4.50.
I started with a Bolt (which I really liked) but upgraded to the MYLR for the range and yes, the charging network. I do have a hard wired Emporia Level 2 charger. Living in Las Cruces NM, during the summer the overnight garage temps can easily be in the upper 90s. The Bolt really cranked up the batter cooling system and the overhead was pretty high. For that reason I dialed down my charger to 24A. With the Tesla I still normally use 24A. That meets my needs to start a charge at 12:15 am from as low as 20% up to 80% before I need to drive it. So, with that long prolog in mind, is there any advantage (from a battery life perspective) to charge at a higher amperage?
The charging recommendation and lack of information from Tesla on battery damage when exceeding the recommendation is why I chose to not buy a Tesla to replace my older EV. I am sticking with my old one for short drives and went back to a fun dinosaur burner for the longer drives. The LFP battery was not available in the Y and the 3 with the LFP did not qualify for the tax credits so not worth it. Tesla says to keep the charge 30-80% to avoid damaging the battery. That is only 50% battery / range availability. For a 285mi range performance Y it is only 142.5 mi usable range. If you use heat or AC that will drop maybe 10-15mi and if you drive in a hilly area, accelerate quickly, or go faster than the speed used to determine the range estimates you will use another 10-15mi. So now you are down to 112.5 mi usable range before needing to charge or risk battery damage. Most of the time this is more than adequate, but if you need to go a greater distance or you get stuck in some type of traffic mess you will have to charge. Tesla does not share the same info you did about it's okay to charge to 100% and drain to 5% as long as you do not leave it there for long durations of time. The sales person did not know how to answer my questions regarding this or my statement of it is really just a short range EV. There was not enough information to know how much damage this causes so I could not make an informed decision. I did not think that expense for a car that has a short usable range was worth it.
Charging above 80 or draining below 20 won't damage the battery, it's simply a recommended best practice to not leave the vehicle sit at those states of charge for an extended period of time to avoid accelerated degradation. This isn't true for just Tesla vehicles, this is a fact of lithium-based batteries in anything: cars, phones, power tools, game console controllers, etc. The advice in this video is great for someone who can charge at home and plans to keep the vehicle for the long term, maybe 7 years or more, which is still within the battery warranty by 3 years. Planning on owning one of these cars for less than that and selling it afterwards, this becomes nearly a non-issue, and the vehicle can be charged to the owner's heart's content without worry about the lifespan of the battery. Me personally, I'm keeping my car until it becomes financially non-viable to repair if it craps the bed, so I pay a lot of mind to my charging habits. It requires a bit more forward planning than driving an ICE car, but quickly settles into a rhythm which is easy to manage. For instance, my commute is 75 miles round-trip every day. I keep my car at 65% charge limit, and this gets me back home with between 35-40% depending on weather conditions. This is enough to make some side trips to grocery stores or to get food on my way home, and I never have to pay any mind to range, and it's in a pretty happy window as far as battery longevity is concerned. Every few weekends, I drive about 4 hours to see family, and I charge to 100% and play a game with myself to see if I can make it on one charge, knowing I have a supercharger both at the destination and about 20 miles back as a fail-safe. The night before, I just set my limit to 100% and in the morning I have a full tank. There's a lot of battery hocus-pocus out there and I did a lot of digging and researching before buying my car to make sure it would fit my use case and so far it's been a great little daily. cheers 🍻
@@floodtheinbox Thank you for the very indepth reply. I find it interesting the Tesla sales rep had no intelligent reply like yours when I shared I can't justify buying the new Y with that range limitation and battery degradation risks. If he had, I might be driving the new Y. Either he does not know this or has not been trained. I will keep my 5 yo Leaf for a commuter and burn dinosaurs for the longer trips. Even though I paid more for the new dinosaur burner it is better looking, slightly faster than the Y performance, and much more fun to drive.
Hey Jeremiah, I took delivery of my 2024 Model Y LR this past Sunday. Is it supercharging detrimental to your battery's health until you can get a charge installed at your house?
1:30 ..... well shit. i just bought the 2024 model 3 (like took delivery not even a week ago). but i live in an apartment so i wont be able to always be plugged in. did i screw myself over?
Yes you have, not having a L2 at home. If you don’t have free charging at work, you are double screwed. Relaying on Supercharger only is gonna cost you money and worst of all, time.
@@jml9550 id love to hear your thoughts. my work will probably be my primary charging place which is a chargepoint charger (and free). i think those are slow ones equivalent to at home charging right? I saw a lot (like over 15) EVs (10 are teslas) at my apartment garages so i figured if its working for them, it should be fine. I also plan to visit my parents every week or so and charge at their place. they dont have a wall charger but i can use the mobile charger i guess There is a super charger spot not even half a mile from me, but i doubt id use it often. maybe if im near 20% and need a charge fast? plus, at work, on some days i get in around 730 and teh parking lot is empty. its fairly empty friday afternoons as well. So I plan to charge during those times
@@pvic6959 most apartments charger at level 2s. So if you get those spots you will be fine. Plus your work offers free charging which sounds like will be your primary source. Mobile charging only gives you 5-6 miles per hours, it is better than nothing, but i wouldn’t count on it. Supercharging will be my last resort, doing it often cost fast battery degradation and money, My last thought, it sounds like you are younger and single. If so you have a lot of time flexibility which is good. Best of luck and enjoy the Tesla.x
@@jml9550 my apartment also has free ChargePoint chargers. but not many. With there being 10+ EVs, they are always in use. So I would have to get lucky. maybe late night? idk For the mobile charger, I could do that if I stay the night at my parents, which i do often (well.. that was before I had a car haha). So if its over night, I can do 10+ hour charges I agree super charging will be my last resort as well I think my best bet will be 2 times a week when i get to work at around 730am. I can charge at that time I think I am single for now, but 27 so idk if "young" still counts haha. Thank you!
I have a Tesla model 3 performance, 2023. I drive it once a week and charge it once a week. I stay within the charging perimeters recommended by Tesla. Don't let it drop under 20% and no higher than 80%. So after a full year, I've noticed no degradation. For example, I drive one way 30 MI, I use 10% of the battery. That has always stayed consistent! I will note that I do not use superchargers. Always level two. As a norm I always keep it between 40 and 80 percent. Don't sweat it!
Keep you car charged over 55% most of the time increases “calendar aging.” 40-60% is not the sweet spot. 30% to 50% is the most ideal state of charge range to keep your battery at most of the time.
What’s up Jeremiah, Happy Friday Eve! I hope this is not a stupid question, but I currently use level 1 home charging and I don’t have garage. I wanted to know if it’s okay to leave my 2024 Model Y plugged while it’s raining or drizzling outside. Lastly do you have to schedule preconditioning when you set schedule charging or the battery is smart to warm up for scheduled charging.
I just bought my model Y but I am stuck at my apartment until march, but I just park in the backyard about 20 ft away from my backdoor. my question is is it okay for me to get an industrial extension cord for my dryer plug and charge off that? I hear about people burning their house down and I just want to know if this will work. Thanks!
RIGHT!!!! Why would you get an EV when you don’t have a charging at home or a place to charge it? I see a lot of people who bought an EV who doesn’t have a home charger. Reason being, they live at an apartment or they simply don’t have a charger. At my local Walmart they have a charging station. I think it has 5 or 6 stations & it’s always full of EV. The funny part is that there’s always someone in the car. They’re simply charging it up & not shopping. I mean, there’s nothing wrong with that, but that would be such a headache always going to a charging station to “filler up”. Not only that, hoping that nobody is there occupying it. And if your car is super low, then you know it’s going to be charging for a long time. Definitely, something to consider before purchasing an EV.
Great video, thanks for this! Curious about your opinion on something: I have the Universal Wall Charger and leaving it at 48 A, I do get 40-something miles of range added per hour. But I really don't NEED to charge that fast. I usually drive no more than 60 miles per day, I could charge much slower overnight to replenish my daily range. Definitely planning on keeping my Model 3 a long time; would you dial that way down in the app to charge more slowly overnight for long-term battery health?
Is it better to go from 80% to 30% before charging each time to reduce charge cycles? My commute to work is so short I’d be charging every day from 75% to 80%. My friend said it’s better to wait until it drains to 30% before charging to 80% to reduce number of charges.
My ‘20 Tesla came with free Supercharging for life of ownership and a new SC station is just 0.3 miles away from my home. My house also has solar panels and TOU rates and net metering. I have a NEMA 14-50 plug at home. I’m retired so don’t put on much mileage, maybe around 5,000 miles/year. So what kind of charging should I do? Someone needs to come up with a charging calculator where various factors can be input and a charging plan is figured out to optimize charging.
I only supercharge as I live in an apartment and a supercharger is nearby and I got 20000 km of free charging. Supercharging over here (in the Netherlands) is cheaper than electricity at home would be for me.
Please read your Owners Manual. Take it from there, it’s from Tesla. If you can’t trust the official advice from Tesla, why did you pay them loads of hard earned money to buy one??? I charge my M3 LFP 100% at least once a week. In other words, it might be more often than once a week. It won’t overcharge itself, the Battery Management System will prevent that. Being plugged in allows you to precondition your High Voltage Battery more efficiently and it will recharge your low voltage Lithium battery ( not the Lead Acid battery in older models) . I mostly use a Tesla Wall Connector, occasionally Supercharge when out of town.
Just got an $11,000 estimate to upgrade our electrical panel, run the romex to the garage and install the outlet! Welcome to CA where Tesla certified electricians over charge- no pun intended. Rebates / incentives only apply to “disadvantage areas”.
New subscriber here and Tesla Model Y owner. Just for clarification, if my charge limit is set for 80% and it hits that mark, is it best to unplug at that point? Because leaving it plugged just keeps increasing the charge %. Thanks again
Keep it plugged. Adjust your charge limit to 80%, I’ll will stop charging once it reaches it. Leaving it plugged won’t increase the charge %. It’s all control from the app or vehicle
@@anirtishot thank you! Learning this is all new! I figure to just drive it as much as I need to throughout the day and worry about plugging when I am done for the day.
Great Video Jeremiah, what’s your recommendation for charging if I don’t have an LFP battery? I drive a lot daily like 300 miles or more.. I can charge at home and trying to avoid supercharging as much as possible
It’s best to charge prior to you leaving your home. So rather than starting say at midnight and you leave by 8am, I would have it start at 4am if that’ll change you up to 90% prior to you leaving. This way, you don’t have the car sitting at a high SoC. If you drive daily for 300, I’d keep it between 80-95% by the time you depart.
300+ is to much to do without supercharging. Realistically we get about 280ish miles for a 100% charge. Prehaps you have chargers near your work? Unless your doing uber/doordash
You said don't let it sit at 100% but you also said to leave it plugged in. So which is it? I live in an apartment so I can't be plugged in all the time.
You can adjust how much the car charges so just set it to only charge to 80% and you can also adjust the amps so you can charge at like 18 amps and only to 80% state of charge. Mine is set up to charge from 11pm to 6am at 18 amps 240 v to 80%. It cost me an average of $4.00 to $5.00 to charge twice a week.
I am so with you on that, I would never recommend an EV for someone that lives in an apartment and always has to fast charge. I will certainly add that to my comments whenever I sell my Tesla….”home charged” 99% of the time. 👌🏼
I made this as its own comment but its relevant here too: well shit. i just bought the 2024 model 3 (like took delivery not even a week ago). but i live in an apartment so i wont be able to always be plugged in. did i screw myself over?
@@pvic6959 not exactly unless your daily drive is 100+ miles. I wouldn’t buy a used Tesla from someone that didn’t charge at home and constantly had to use a supercharger 2 to 4 times a week as an only charge. Nor would I want that for my Tesla if I plan on keep it over 100k miles.
@@robertquinonez_ i do plan to keep it long term. my work will probably be my primary charging place which is a chargepoint charger (and free). i think those are slow ones equivalent to at home charging right? I saw a lot (like over 15) EVs (10 are teslas) at my apartment garages so i figured if its working for them, it should be fine. I also plan to visit my parents every week or so and charge at their place. they dont have a wall charger but i can use the mobile charger i guess my daily will be under 25mi, under 10 even most days.
Oh man, I’m looking into getting a MY but I have no option for home charging. You think it’ll hurt my battery a lot if I’m planning to keep the car for a long time?
AGREE: EVs are for those who can accommodate home or at work charging, and, ideally, while protected from rain & cold. Not being able to charge at a naturally convenient location creates stress, hassle, and expense.
Facts, if you don't have home charging, it's just sub par and more of a hassle. People arguing against, don't know because the never had or are just in denial. They always make some sort of coping excuse as to why it's "ok or better" to spend more time at a public charger as to having that time back.
EVs are for whoever wants to buy one. One of my friends lives in an apartment but works at Ford and charges his Tesla at work everyday. There isn’t one way to own. And I’m sure Tesla wants everyone to buy.
Had my Model 3 for about 2 months now and charge at home. I have it set to 80% and I’ve noticed some days it will charge to that limit but sometimes it charges to 83%. Is that normal?
That's odd. I've had mine for just under a month so not very long, but I haven't seen that happen. It's suuuper easy though to accidentally bump the charge limit slider in the app - could that be what happened?
@@whiterabbit0503 No. Now last week I had to take my car to the service center. It’s getting a hv battery replacement. I took it in last Friday after the battery would no longer charge at all. Granted it’s all under warranty so I have to pay $0 for the replacement and they also gave me a Tesla loaner while I wait for the repairs, also at no charge to me… BUT it’s still so disheartening that I have to even do this at all. I’ve only had this car for a little over 5 months. I bought it used (2021 model 3LR) but it’s not like I got it from Billy Bobs Nissan. I bought it FROM TESLA. I’ve had to have service done to this car at least once a month since I bought it. The first time being 2 weeks after purchasing
The conundrum I have is that I use schedule charging to start charging at 10pm. (Off peak) Once the charge is complete (I use 75%) at maybe 1am the charging stops and wont provide power again until 10pm the next night. So while the car is plugged in, in reality its as if its not plugged in as it cannot receive any power. The only solution is to either manualy plug in at 10pm without schedule or turn off the schedule charge function and then turn it back on every day in the App? Scheduling is convenient as I plug in at maybe 6pm and forget it and it nicely begins at 10pm without my thinking about it. How can I use scheduling and benefit from "always be plugged in" at the same time?
10:00 The problem is in europe, therte isn't an alternative. Take the base model 3 . It has incentives for initial purchase and thus you can get it for like 35.000 euro (vat included) So you go and look up what else you can get for like 35k, 30k or lower. And nothing else you find is worth it. Lets do a cheklist, for powertrain, trim level, car size (utility) and brand recognition. No other EV even stands a chance in the first place. We are being offered renault, peugeot, volvo and other brands that give much smaller cars, much less power and well, much less renown (volvo is just the logo, because is 100% a chinese car, making it an overpriced lowcost car offer, only for the most idiotic of idiots..same as MG brand) So Tesla model 3 rwd has no ev competition for it's price on all the counts. Lets go into the combustion engines. This is where you start to pull your hairs out. They are offering us for 30.000 euro cars with a 1.5l engine...wtf, wtf, wtf...On a variety of brands. A vw golf in mid trim level with a 2.0 tdi 150hp engine costs as much as the almost 300hp tesla 3 rwd that has a shit ton more trim, comfort, performance, utility and brand value than the garbage generic brand that vw is. I've look up, at everything. Ford even has the nerve to sell a car for 35.000 euro that has a 1 liter engine. yes, the puma st with that over abused little 1.0 engine . I've looked far and wide and there is no competition to speak of when wanting to buy a new car The problem is, if you can't afford a tesla 3, you are being forced into wasting 20-25k euro on a scam car from all the others, cars with 1.2-1.5 engines and usually small city cars or small crossovers.
I ask tesla canada in person they said if u charge tesla with superchargers same as home chargers will never effect the battery . So idk cuz i still think to buy one and i don’t have any charge at my apartment
As a brand new Tesla owner I’m a bit shocked, I went from a 2019 wrx to a long range model y but the battery experience is a bit lackluster, I feel like I charge every 2 days and i need to get a wall mounted charger asap because I get 1kwh at home🤣 but it also kills my battery that I drive uphill to go home and waste like 10-15% a day from what it feels like😭
Yep, Tesla stated range is grossly overrated.. take 30% off and you will be happy. Using a lot of heat in winter and AC in summer lessen the range even further.
even tho I don't have the telsa charger at home to charge so I always super charge. where you say you should leave the car always plugged in when not using should I still keep it plugged in if I am just using a normal wall outlet? or will the wall outlet not help or hurt
I charge my Tesla at a supercharging station omw to work once a week up to 90% I work 6 days a week for almost a year now. But I haven’t check the degradation yet.
I would love to charge at home, but until I can afford the electricians bill to install electricity and the charger in my garage, it’s still 50% cheaper to supercharge when I need too VS my previous 22’ ICE.
Hey dude, go to your in car Display screen go to Battery, the information is all there at your finger tips. If it’s LFP, it will ask you to charge to 100%, period.
I don't get how no one can charge at home? I have level 1 right now, and I have no issues getting to 100% (LFP). I will be looking to get a level 2 at some point but I could live well with level 1 for the time being.
‘ Always’ charging is a misunderstanding. Always PLUGGED in is not possible either unless you don’t use your car at all. The Battery Management System will not allow your Tesla to be “Always Charging “. The BMS will stop the charging once the battery is charged to the specified level eg 80% or 100% for LFP models. But your Tesla will draw power from your wall charger for other purposes other than charging your battery. Your Tesla don’t sleep when you go to bed, it has to maintain various systems in your car.
So, let's say that your Tesla is rated for 300 miles on a full charge. If you follow the recommendations of keeping your battery between 80% to 20% for regular, local driving, then you're charging the battery at least every 180 miles. With battery charge dissipation, it's less than that. I just started recording the data, but I suspect I'm going to find out that I'm charging from 20% to 80% every 120-130 miles or so. I think that's kinda lame, but it is what it is.
Mmmm… I don’t think you’re correct, I have a 2022 Model 3 SR+ and I just use Tesla superchargers to charge my car in the UK and every time I put the car on charge it says on my screen that the best way to keep my battery health is to use the battery until around 20% and then charge on the supercharger till 100% once a week. So who’s wrong here, you or Tesla?
No one is wrong. Tesla gives recommendations for the “casuals”, if you will, because they don’t want to overload them with information and the minute details.
I have both.. it depends what model S you're looking at and price range. If money no object model S 100D 2017 or newer all the way, but if you're looking for something sub 35k, there's some really nice used model Y long range out there.
@@jeffreymagni1272 I’ve been watching Cars&Bids for a couple of months. It seemed like there were a lot of the Model S’s out there in the past, but not so many now. Also, most were in California, so either a long drive or a couple thousand dollars to ship to Southeast Michigan.
These people charging their LFP‘s to 100% every day, and very frequently on superchargers is going to degrade them faster. They are still lithium based batteries. They just have less voltage spike than magnesium cadmium batteries do at higher state of charge. Charging your LFP battery to 100% a couple of times a week is plenty to help. Keep the battery management system calibrated. Plus, at 100% state of charge you’re not getting full region when you’re breaking. It’s more comfortable to stop at 95% for that reason.
I agree with you comment. Not having full regen periodically should help remind you to use your brakes from time to time, as they too should be used on occasion.
You will own BEVs from now on. Just go with the Tesla Wall Connector and be done with it. Won't save money with those other options. The need for mobile EVSE is less and less ....
I can fill my diesel car anyway i want and stil would not hurt it. So when evs gets that and not have problems during Winther well then evs might be an option. And puling a caravan is what i do alot. I dont want to wait for a charger every time during holiday and have to unhook my trailer to charge. Eves are not for me.
Diesel fuel can become contaminated far more easily than gasoline due to its higher viscosity. Common fuel contaminates include water, soot, dilution, glycol, debris, and even microorganisms. Contaminants can find their way into your fuel through damaged caps, seals, or gaskets. Storing your diesel engine for long periods of time can also cause contamination, as will the weather. When contaminants penetrate your fuel system, it can lead to major engine problems
Actually you should charge to 100 percent. A full charge is actually 80 percent. System software wont actually charge to 100 percent. This mean 100 percent is actually 80 percent. Example when an ice care gauge say empty it actually has another 5 gallons in it.
It turns out that it's a bit of a myth that Superchargers degrade your batteries. If you have LFP, just charge to the top once you get down to 20% or 30% then up to 100% and you're good. If you have NMC, then just charge regularly to about 75% or 80%. Remember that up high, the charge rate slows anyway, and a lot of the new data shows no real increase in degradation with Supercharging as long as you don't go nuts to 100% all the time. If you do have LFP, once a month or so, let it dip below 10% and leave it there an hour or so, then to 100% That will help the BMS calibrate. And just FYI, I've owned both an NMC and an LFP Tesla.
@@Techridr oh sweet, well based on my commute I usually don’t charge over 65% daily and when I get home I’m at about 40% on NMC batteries. Thanks for the insight
Unfortunately most of these “Tesla Tubers” now they don’t care about real information and sharing knowledge, the main thing now is make videos to fill up with ads for accessories that nobody what to buy 🤷♂️🤦♂️
I just bought a 2019 model 3 LR with about 41,000 miles. The vin code has a e in the battery identifier so I think it is lithium only? Should I aim for the 50% with charging stopping at 60% ?
If you see the 300ish miles of range on a Tesla and assume that you can get away with charging once a week then a Tesla is not for you. Lots of the charge will go to preheating the interior and battery not to mention the quoted range numbers are in unrealistically ideal scenarios. I drive my model Y about 50 miles a day which uses anywhere from 20 to 30% of the charge. Jeremiah is right in that you do need to be able to charge at night. That being said I’m able to do it with a standard wall outlet. Wish I could use a dryer outlet, but I would have to use an extension cord from my dryer which sounds like a fire waiting to happen lol
@JremiahJones lithium batteries are best between 30 to 60% health. No need to charge daily if you don't travel much. What you recommend is what Tesla says. They provide a more balanced response for situations when you need to travel further.
Nonsense. When I got my first Tesla, I didn't have home charging. I only Supercharged once a week and got free juice when at Target and Trader Joes and sometimes the malls. I have home charging now and it's much better, but not everyone travels a lot of miles, so not everyone needs a home charger. Also, many might have charging at work, so there's that.
In the SF Bay Area, Superchargers are cheaper than most home $/kWh. That’s ridiculously higher than other regions, but it’s still about half of what I’d pay for gas.
@@ResetPhil Yeah I saw the prices in San Jose and they're high. Actually a bit lower in SF, but that's a bit expected in those areas. Here in So Cal I'm at about .26c at home. 10 years ago it was about .17c. It's hard to swallow when some parts of the country you can pay like .14c still. Good thing solar is also getting cheaper as years go on
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I only supercharge mine, since It's not possible for me to charge at home. I'm from Denmark so the price for gas is at 8$ pr gallon, where I pay 0.29$ pr KWh. A gallon of fuel would get me about 42 miles, where I will get 110-120 miles in my Tesla for the same price. So for me It's worth it. In the longrun I hope also
Yeah, his suggestions apply to people who own a home -- which means this is a personal/bias review. For us apartment owners, we'll make due.
@@RampagingJupiterapartment renters*🎉
Same bror
Here in California… I use superchargers primarily. It’s way cheaper than gas still, at least here! I know other states it levels off. I usually spend $15-30 a week, depending on what times I go. I like going late for the cheap $3-$5 charges. Beats my old Honda Civic where I was paying $70 a week for gas. However, yes, I’m interested in seeing if my Model 3 will survive the long haul as I am planning on keeping it for years! Hey, I don’t mind being asked in a few years if my battery dies out of warranty… lol wish me luck!
If you are a single dude yes you can go out on weird hours and sit there. For those who have family and children may not be ideal……just saying. I will never buy an EV wo home charging or at work. My work offers free charging and it is always full, guys gets in real early to take spots. After 9am, forget about it.
In LA and I use superchargers as well. Actually love the experience of going to different supercharger locations. When I’m only going to work through the week, charging once last about 8 days. Before when I was driving a Nissan Altima I was filling up every four days, paying about 60 dollars each time. I’m saving a ton of money now as I rarely pay over $21 to charge anywhere from 80 to 90 percent. Supercharging is not the same as paying for gas unless you driving hundreds of miles every day, driving fast and using heater/aircon
Supercharge is extremely hard on the batter fyi once a month ok, but if you want longevity for your battery it is NOT using a DC level 3. ie supercharge.
Turtle3000 I’ve taken my 2019 M3 on road trips from the Bay Area to Utah, Reno, Yellowstone and several times to LA. I’ll charge to 90 to 100 % for long trips, and have seen almost no battery degradation. Range is about 290 miles. For the record, the car never came close to the EPA estimate of 310. In reality, there are enough superchargers across the country, that it’s really unnecessary to charge to 100% on long trips.
@@jesse6344 Nice! I did my first long trip, LA to Vegas, and it did well! I only had to stop once! Going on 8 months, almost always supercharging. Seems to be going well so far!
Here in NJ the state would not approve the Tesla charger for incentives and so I ended up with a ChargePoint which works fine. I got the $750 electricians bill paid. I charge my "3" from my "3" to 40% from my house power and then up to 80% with solar if the sunlight is a available. This gives me the most free miles. On a cloudy day I charge to 60%.......my car is only 4 months old and so I`ll wait till November and check the battery degradation then. Thank you for excellent advice!
I have a LRMY and I drive 40k miles annually for work. My drives are mostly predictable, so it makes it easy for me to charge to 50% soc and leave the car plugged in at that soc over night. It charges to 70%-80% in the morning right before I leave. I rarely ever use superchargers and I use public free chargers while working as well.
How many total miles are on the car? Have you had any maintenance/repairs?
@@jay.rsingh2530 I’m right at 90k miles. I replaced the upper control arms and charge port door under warranty. Cabin air filter change and tires.
Home charging with a 240 plug was a total game changer. I can run the battery down below 50% now most of the time and recoup the charge quickly. Super off peak hours here are .03 per kwh which feels like theft compared to the price of my old v8 and v10 cars 😂
It’s like having your own gas station at home. Regular wall socket charging has been enough for me. Got a couple of superchargers about 2mi away,. Also have evgo and ChargePoint within the same area too. I’ve used the supercharger 3x at most this year. I also have a Toyota suv, not a hybrid. I filled up about a month ago, it’s been sitting in my garage. The Tesla seems more fun. And I have all the bells and whistles on my RAV4. Totally changed my life.
Great video. I installed a Nema 6-20. IMO this a great balance of charging rate and cost. It charges my M3 at 16 miles of range per hour which is plenty for my 40-50 miles of daily driving. Agree 100% with if you can’t charge at home don’t buy an EV
Great info. Did not realize it is OK to leave plugged in when at 80% and not using. thanks.
I don't do this. Because if a thuderstrom is comming i want disabled the car from the house electric network.
So you haven't read the manual of the car.
@@yodagerhard8389you don't know how electricity, fuses/AFCIs/GFCIs, and transformers work at all.
(Aug 28, 2023) A new report from Recurrent, which has access to data from over 12,500 Tesla vehicles in the US through its software service, now shows clearly that there’s little to no difference in battery degradation between frequent fast charging and rare fast charging:
It all comes down to battery temperature regulation and throttling down the charge rate when close to full. Modern EV's are much better at these things than early Prius days. Tesla's software is very good at optimization of battery conditions, at all times!
Yep, turns out Tesla's software is quite good at keeping them batteries pretty happy.
I own a Tesla model 3 performance, 2023, and only drive it once a week. And I only charge it once a week. I stay within Tesla's parameters. No lower than 20% and no higher than 80 percent. I keep the battery between 40 percent and 80 percent all the time. I do not use superchargers, only level 2. I have not noticed any degradation. For example I travel 30 mi one way and I use roughly 10% of my battery. That has been consistent for the last year. It's never changed! I'm not putting down supercharging but I don't do it and I think it it does help keep the battery healthy.
Your anecdotal evidence means absolutely squat. Also you can't just say my battery has no degradation because I didn't notice any degradation, you need solid tests if you want to be able to make these statements in an ethical manner. And I guarantee you didn't use Tesla's battery check service.
I stated what’s occurred on my vehicle over the last year and a half. Hey loosen up I was just stating what I’ve been doing and what I’ve been experiencing. Sorry I made you have a bad day. It’s not a blanket statement about doing it my way it’s just the only way I’ve been able to do it. Yes sir, might be some derogation, but I have not noticed it yet without doing a test.
You're the first tesla reviewer to mention supercharging is close to or equal to gas prices! I've had that argument with people and they keep telling me I'm wrong. Thank you for including this tidbit!
Depends on the fuel economy of your IC vehicle. Over the past 5 years I've noted that Tesla generally sets charging prices to equal the cost per mile for a 50 MPG IC vehicle....a Prius. So, yes, fueling costs are about the same as for a Prius. Of course the performance is about that of a BMW M2/3, which consume over twice that of a Prius, and it's more expensive fuel. Bottom line is that fueling at Superchargers fuels your M2/3 equivalent car at the cost of fueling a Prius. Pretty good deal.
really depends on location, time and how much you need to fill. But you are right in certain scenarios!
The Absolute SOC was very helpful. I always thought ending the day around 50% was the best for my battery but now I know I know to end my day around 20%. NOt that it's going to have a huge impact on my battery health but at least I know it's not bad to end the day around 20%.
Just picked up a 2016 Model X 90D with 64k miles and loving it, new subscriber!
Went with the mobile connector to start lvl1, but already purchased the Hubbell 14-50 as they are under $50 now, easy upgrade to lvl2!
Thanks for the content 🙌
if someone has solar panels, is that an efficient way to charge the battery?
Yes it is. I have 27 solar panels and right now it’s charging my Tesla.. free power 👍😃
What do you mean is it efficient? It is free power, other than the initial outlays for the equipment. The draws on a solar power supplied system is going to be the exact same efficiency as a grid powered system. So what are you talking about?
I'm not an expert on the effectiveness of solar power! what i meant by my question was will I have enough solar panels to charge the battery or would it just be easier to plug it up. No need to be a dick about it!
@@jasonpoland1607 really? Because your "question" is what gas fanatics try to pull off when arguing against battery power. Surely you might not be but this is how you have to respond to those individuals.
That's what happens when you ASSume!! I have solar panels on my house jackass!!! as I mentioned before, I was wondering if I had enough on my house in order 2 make it feasible to charge a Tesla battery? I just recently purchased a Tesla model 3, and that was the whole thing point of my question.
In LA gas is about $80 for a full tank, charging is $10-$30, not as good as home charging but still worth it
How fast do you get charged up?
@@schm14715-30 min
Depends upon the % but from 20 to 80 it's about 20 minutes, 20 to 100 about 40
If you can’t charge at home, look to see if there’s public level 2 charging near your home or workplace. You definitely won’t save too much over an ice car, but if it’s not inconvenient to plug in at work or overnight you still enjoy the no gas station life. If you have to supercharge, it’s basically like owning an ice car… inconvenient
TIP: If you charge at home and need 100% charge for the next day, adjust the amps (charge rate) to where the estimated time of full charge lines up with when you depart the next day. This way it won't sit at 100% for too long before driving.
Great idea! Thank you. Hadn’t occurred to me.
Exactly. No battery, regardless of chemistry likes to sit at 100% charge for long periods of time.
Can’t you set up a schedule to fix that?
I do 100% fast chargings on my tesla model 3 2023 and i have a non LFP battery. I have 16k miles so far. Lets see how will it hold up in long term. I dont go under 18% and charge upto 80%.
How has your car been holding up, because I’ve been wondering if I should charge my model 3 2025 to 100% once or twice a week or not
@@sketch4948i have 45k miles on it and i get 252 miles on 80%, used to get 266. Idk if its degradation or need calibration.
Say you’re going on a vacation for a couple of weeks and can’t keep it plugged in, how bad is that for the battery, and, what level of charge should it be left at?
Driving the car to below 50% and leaving it plugged in with a charge limit of 50% would be easiest on the battery for storage.
@@floodtheinbox but, I don't have a plug available. I can't leave it plugged in. Thanks, though.
@@rollaroundtheworld oh sorry, I didn’t read. It’s not gonna be terrible for the battery I wouldn’t worry too much about out. Turn off cabin heat protection and sentry mode, charge it to 50-60 and while you’re gone try as little as possible to open the app up and check on the car and the battery won’t lose very much charge at all. Some people say account for 1% loss per day and that’s definitely an over estimation but charge enough to leave you with enough to get to a charger after losing that many percent when you get back and it won’t hurt it at all cheers
Can you make a video of the Tesla dog behind you? I would love a video because I'm not sure if its worth buying
I wish I could follow your tips, but I get free supercharging so when I have to choose between free charging or at home charging, nearly 100% of the time it’s been supercharging. Great tips though!
How is it free?
@@Mike6.0 Some people when they originally bought their Tesla, got free supercharging... for the life of the car. One of my neighbors managed to get it transferred to a new Tesla when bought it. He has two Teslas. One he charges at home, the other, with its free unlimited supercharging, he only charges away from home.
I have free supercharging until Oct 6th due to my new car having a crack in the overhead glass on the day I bought it, so they gave me 3 months of free charging. So there are a couple ways you can end up with it. But mainly it would apply (as unlimited) to people that bought certain Teslas, years ago...
@@Mike6.0 Tesla will provide incentives from time to time to move cars lifetime free supercharging is one of them
What was that diagnostic app you showed on the screen?
Tesla Service mode
You go into your car's settings > software > tap and hold on your car's model logo > type "service"
The best way to charge your Tesla is via 240V at home using electricity generated by your solar panels. Longest battery life and lowest cost. The other alternative is to live in the Jackson, Wyoming area where electricity is 6 cents a KWH. Compared to fueling a BMW M2/3 (similar performance vehicles) at 20 mpg with premium fuel at $3.50 a gallon, for 300 miles of driving the BMW would cost $52.50, while the Tesla would cost $4.50.
Or Star valley that has the same co op and housing is somewhat affordable 😂😁👍
I started with a Bolt (which I really liked) but upgraded to the MYLR for the range and yes, the charging network. I do have a hard wired Emporia Level 2 charger. Living in Las Cruces NM, during the summer the overnight garage temps can easily be in the upper 90s. The Bolt really cranked up the batter cooling system and the overhead was pretty high. For that reason I dialed down my charger to 24A. With the Tesla I still normally use 24A. That meets my needs to start a charge at 12:15 am from as low as 20% up to 80% before I need to drive it.
So, with that long prolog in mind, is there any advantage (from a battery life perspective) to charge at a higher amperage?
i guess the only advantage is time saving?
In which case if you are worried about time to that degree, I would say don't get a Tesla.
The charging recommendation and lack of information from Tesla on battery damage when exceeding the recommendation is why I chose to not buy a Tesla to replace my older EV. I am sticking with my old one for short drives and went back to a fun dinosaur burner for the longer drives. The LFP battery was not available in the Y and the 3 with the LFP did not qualify for the tax credits so not worth it. Tesla says to keep the charge 30-80% to avoid damaging the battery. That is only 50% battery / range availability. For a 285mi range performance Y it is only 142.5 mi usable range. If you use heat or AC that will drop maybe 10-15mi and if you drive in a hilly area, accelerate quickly, or go faster than the speed used to determine the range estimates you will use another 10-15mi. So now you are down to 112.5 mi usable range before needing to charge or risk battery damage. Most of the time this is more than adequate, but if you need to go a greater distance or you get stuck in some type of traffic mess you will have to charge. Tesla does not share the same info you did about it's okay to charge to 100% and drain to 5% as long as you do not leave it there for long durations of time. The sales person did not know how to answer my questions regarding this or my statement of it is really just a short range EV. There was not enough information to know how much damage this causes so I could not make an informed decision. I did not think that expense for a car that has a short usable range was worth it.
Charging above 80 or draining below 20 won't damage the battery, it's simply a recommended best practice to not leave the vehicle sit at those states of charge for an extended period of time to avoid accelerated degradation. This isn't true for just Tesla vehicles, this is a fact of lithium-based batteries in anything: cars, phones, power tools, game console controllers, etc. The advice in this video is great for someone who can charge at home and plans to keep the vehicle for the long term, maybe 7 years or more, which is still within the battery warranty by 3 years. Planning on owning one of these cars for less than that and selling it afterwards, this becomes nearly a non-issue, and the vehicle can be charged to the owner's heart's content without worry about the lifespan of the battery. Me personally, I'm keeping my car until it becomes financially non-viable to repair if it craps the bed, so I pay a lot of mind to my charging habits. It requires a bit more forward planning than driving an ICE car, but quickly settles into a rhythm which is easy to manage. For instance, my commute is 75 miles round-trip every day. I keep my car at 65% charge limit, and this gets me back home with between 35-40% depending on weather conditions. This is enough to make some side trips to grocery stores or to get food on my way home, and I never have to pay any mind to range, and it's in a pretty happy window as far as battery longevity is concerned. Every few weekends, I drive about 4 hours to see family, and I charge to 100% and play a game with myself to see if I can make it on one charge, knowing I have a supercharger both at the destination and about 20 miles back as a fail-safe. The night before, I just set my limit to 100% and in the morning I have a full tank. There's a lot of battery hocus-pocus out there and I did a lot of digging and researching before buying my car to make sure it would fit my use case and so far it's been a great little daily. cheers 🍻
@@floodtheinbox Thank you for the very indepth reply. I find it interesting the Tesla sales rep had no intelligent reply like yours when I shared I can't justify buying the new Y with that range limitation and battery degradation risks. If he had, I might be driving the new Y. Either he does not know this or has not been trained. I will keep my 5 yo Leaf for a commuter and burn dinosaurs for the longer trips. Even though I paid more for the new dinosaur burner it is better looking, slightly faster than the Y performance, and much more fun to drive.
Any inputs on leaving the car in the garage for an extended period( a month). Should I set it to 50 - 60% and leave it plugged ?
Hey Jeremiah, I took delivery of my 2024 Model Y LR this past Sunday. Is it supercharging detrimental to your battery's health until you can get a charge installed at your house?
I pick up my Tesla Model 3 Performance this Friday. I live in an apartment. It won't be plugged in when parked in my driveway. I'll deal with it.
1:30 ..... well shit. i just bought the 2024 model 3 (like took delivery not even a week ago). but i live in an apartment so i wont be able to always be plugged in. did i screw myself over?
Yes you have, not having a L2 at home. If you don’t have free charging at work, you are double screwed. Relaying on Supercharger only is gonna cost you money and worst of all, time.
@@jml9550 id love to hear your thoughts.
my work will probably be my primary charging place which is a chargepoint charger (and free). i think those are slow ones equivalent to at home charging right? I saw a lot (like over 15) EVs (10 are teslas) at my apartment garages so i figured if its working for them, it should be fine.
I also plan to visit my parents every week or so and charge at their place. they dont have a wall charger but i can use the mobile charger i guess
There is a super charger spot not even half a mile from me, but i doubt id use it often. maybe if im near 20% and need a charge fast?
plus, at work, on some days i get in around 730 and teh parking lot is empty. its fairly empty friday afternoons as well. So I plan to charge during those times
@@pvic6959 most apartments charger at level 2s. So if you get those spots you will be fine. Plus your work offers free charging which sounds like will be your primary source. Mobile charging only gives you 5-6 miles per hours, it is better than nothing, but i wouldn’t count on it. Supercharging will be my last resort, doing it often cost fast battery degradation and money, My last thought, it sounds like you are younger and single. If so you have a lot of time flexibility which is good. Best of luck and enjoy the Tesla.x
@@jml9550 my apartment also has free ChargePoint chargers. but not many. With there being 10+ EVs, they are always in use. So I would have to get lucky. maybe late night? idk
For the mobile charger, I could do that if I stay the night at my parents, which i do often (well.. that was before I had a car haha). So if its over night, I can do 10+ hour charges
I agree super charging will be my last resort as well
I think my best bet will be 2 times a week when i get to work at around 730am. I can charge at that time I think
I am single for now, but 27 so idk if "young" still counts haha.
Thank you!
I have a Tesla model 3 performance, 2023. I drive it once a week and charge it once a week. I stay within the charging perimeters recommended by Tesla. Don't let it drop under 20% and no higher than 80%. So after a full year, I've noticed no degradation. For example, I drive one way 30 MI, I use 10% of the battery. That has always stayed consistent! I will note that I do not use superchargers. Always level two. As a norm I always keep it between 40 and 80 percent. Don't sweat it!
Keep you car charged over 55% most of the time increases “calendar aging.” 40-60% is not the sweet spot. 30% to 50% is the most ideal state of charge range to keep your battery at most of the time.
What’s up Jeremiah, Happy Friday Eve! I hope this is not a stupid question, but I currently use level 1 home charging and I don’t have garage. I wanted to know if it’s okay to leave my 2024 Model Y plugged while it’s raining or drizzling outside. Lastly do you have to schedule preconditioning when you set schedule charging or the battery is smart to warm up for scheduled charging.
I just bought my model Y but I am stuck at my apartment until march, but I just park in the backyard about 20 ft away from my backdoor. my question is is it okay for me to get an industrial extension cord for my dryer plug and charge off that? I hear about people burning their house down and I just want to know if this will work. Thanks!
RIGHT!!!! Why would you get an EV when you don’t have a charging at home or a place to charge it?
I see a lot of people who bought an EV who doesn’t have a home charger. Reason being, they live at an apartment or they simply don’t have a charger.
At my local Walmart they have a charging station. I think it has 5 or 6 stations & it’s always full of EV. The funny part is that there’s always someone in the car. They’re simply charging it up & not shopping. I mean, there’s nothing wrong with that, but that would be such a headache always going to a charging station to “filler up”. Not only that, hoping that nobody is there occupying it. And if your car is super low, then you know it’s going to be charging for a long time.
Definitely, something to consider before purchasing an EV.
Great video, thanks for this! Curious about your opinion on something: I have the Universal Wall Charger and leaving it at 48 A, I do get 40-something miles of range added per hour. But I really don't NEED to charge that fast. I usually drive no more than 60 miles per day, I could charge much slower overnight to replenish my daily range. Definitely planning on keeping my Model 3 a long time; would you dial that way down in the app to charge more slowly overnight for long-term battery health?
Great video, can I charge level 1 with 12A or more?
Is it better to go from 80% to 30% before charging each time to reduce charge cycles? My commute to work is so short I’d be charging every day from 75% to 80%. My friend said it’s better to wait until it drains to 30% before charging to 80% to reduce number of charges.
What phone mount is that??
Thanks, lots of helpful info.
Question: I’m home often, have the home Tesla charger (L2) and drive
So for my Tesla Model Y RWD 2024 LFP battery should I keep it plugged in all the time at 100%
So when charging at home what amps are you using with the level 2 tesla charger?
Im charging at 48 amps on a 60 amp breaker
@@dieniewienie143 so it's not better for the battery to charge at lower amps ?
@@gregpelfrey5303 For level 2 charging? Nope.. The cost of charging at lower amperage would outweigh any benefit.
My ‘20 Tesla came with free Supercharging for life of ownership and a new SC station is just 0.3 miles away from my home. My house also has solar panels and TOU rates and net metering. I have a NEMA 14-50 plug at home. I’m retired so don’t put on much mileage, maybe around 5,000 miles/year. So what kind of charging should I do? Someone needs to come up with a charging calculator where various factors can be input and a charging plan is figured out to optimize charging.
LOL. I would love to charge at home but I live in a city. Single family homes are rare here. Supercharging is the only option for many many people.
I only supercharge as I live in an apartment and a supercharger is nearby and I got 20000 km of free charging. Supercharging over here (in the Netherlands) is cheaper than electricity at home would be for me.
Thank you, I have an LFP and scared to plug it in every night. So many people say it’s still a lithium battery so I plug in only twice a week.
Please read your Owners Manual. Take it from there, it’s from Tesla. If you can’t trust the official advice from Tesla, why did you pay them loads of hard earned money to buy one??? I charge my M3 LFP 100% at least once a week. In other words, it might be more often than once a week. It won’t overcharge itself, the Battery Management System will prevent that. Being plugged in allows you to precondition your High Voltage Battery more efficiently and it will recharge your low voltage Lithium battery ( not the Lead Acid battery in older models) . I mostly use a Tesla Wall Connector, occasionally Supercharge when out of town.
@@jacobheinz8236 hmm, I agree. It says to charge to 100 percent at least once a week and it is ok to charge daily.
Just got an $11,000 estimate to upgrade our electrical panel, run the romex to the garage and install the outlet! Welcome to CA where Tesla certified electricians over charge- no pun intended. Rebates / incentives only apply to “disadvantage areas”.
It's not hard to run yourself tbh
New subscriber here and Tesla Model Y owner.
Just for clarification, if my charge limit is set for 80% and it hits that mark, is it best to unplug at that point? Because leaving it plugged just keeps increasing the charge %. Thanks again
Keep it plugged. Adjust your charge limit to 80%, I’ll will stop charging once it reaches it. Leaving it plugged won’t increase the charge %. It’s all control from the app or vehicle
@@anirtishot thank you! Learning this is all new! I figure to just drive it as much as I need to throughout the day and worry about plugging when I am done for the day.
Great Video Jeremiah, what’s your recommendation for charging if I don’t have an LFP battery? I drive a lot daily like 300 miles or more.. I can charge at home and trying to avoid supercharging as much as possible
It’s best to charge prior to you leaving your home. So rather than starting say at midnight and you leave by 8am, I would have it start at 4am if that’ll change you up to 90% prior to you leaving. This way, you don’t have the car sitting at a high SoC.
If you drive daily for 300, I’d keep it between 80-95% by the time you depart.
Just get a Prius
300+ is to much to do without supercharging. Realistically we get about 280ish miles for a 100% charge. Prehaps you have chargers near your work? Unless your doing uber/doordash
would your position on supercharging if you had unlimited free supercharging?
You said don't let it sit at 100% but you also said to leave it plugged in. So which is it? I live in an apartment so I can't be plugged in all the time.
They don't know. Hence, "Trust the owners manual" being the strongest argument made in the video.
You can adjust how much the car charges so just set it to only charge to 80% and you can also adjust the amps so you can charge at like 18 amps and only to 80% state of charge. Mine is set up to charge from 11pm to 6am at 18 amps 240 v to 80%. It cost me an average of $4.00 to $5.00 to charge twice a week.
I would consider 240v using the mobile charger with 14-30 adapter should be level 1.5. This is the solution I use daily.
I am so with you on that, I would never recommend an EV for someone that lives in an apartment and always has to fast charge. I will certainly add that to my comments whenever I sell my Tesla….”home charged” 99% of the time. 👌🏼
I made this as its own comment but its relevant here too: well shit. i just bought the 2024 model 3 (like took delivery not even a week ago). but i live in an apartment so i wont be able to always be plugged in. did i screw myself over?
@@pvic6959 not exactly unless your daily drive is 100+ miles. I wouldn’t buy a used Tesla from someone that didn’t charge at home and constantly had to use a supercharger 2 to 4 times a week as an only charge. Nor would I want that for my Tesla if I plan on keep it over 100k miles.
@@robertquinonez_ i do plan to keep it long term. my work will probably be my primary charging place which is a chargepoint charger (and free). i think those are slow ones equivalent to at home charging right? I saw a lot (like over 15) EVs (10 are teslas) at my apartment garages so i figured if its working for them, it should be fine.
I also plan to visit my parents every week or so and charge at their place. they dont have a wall charger but i can use the mobile charger i guess
my daily will be under 25mi, under 10 even most days.
@@pvic6959 yea your good. That’s nice you can charge at work, especially it being free. 👌🏼
@@robertquinonez_ thank you!
Oh man, I’m looking into getting a MY but I have no option for home charging. You think it’ll hurt my battery a lot if I’m planning to keep the car for a long time?
AGREE: EVs are for those who can accommodate home or at work charging, and, ideally, while protected from rain & cold. Not being able to charge at a naturally convenient location creates stress, hassle, and expense.
Been fine for me
@@deegSZ What is your routine charging solution?
Facts, if you don't have home charging, it's just sub par and more of a hassle. People arguing against, don't know because the never had or are just in denial. They always make some sort of coping excuse as to why it's "ok or better" to spend more time at a public charger as to having that time back.
EVs are for whoever wants to buy one. One of my friends lives in an apartment but works at Ford and charges his Tesla at work everyday. There isn’t one way to own. And I’m sure Tesla wants everyone to buy.
So do you fill up your ICE car at home too?
And it is good to charge once a month on SUC. Why? It will dry the accu inside, because more of higher head.
Had my Model 3 for about 2 months now and charge at home. I have it set to 80% and I’ve noticed some days it will charge to that limit but sometimes it charges to 83%. Is that normal?
That's odd. I've had mine for just under a month so not very long, but I haven't seen that happen. It's suuuper easy though to accidentally bump the charge limit slider in the app - could that be what happened?
@@whiterabbit0503 No. Now last week I had to take my car to the service center. It’s getting a hv battery replacement. I took it in last Friday after the battery would no longer charge at all. Granted it’s all under warranty so I have to pay $0 for the replacement and they also gave me a Tesla loaner while I wait for the repairs, also at no charge to me… BUT it’s still so disheartening that I have to even do this at all. I’ve only had this car for a little over 5 months. I bought it used (2021 model 3LR) but it’s not like I got it from Billy Bobs Nissan. I bought it FROM TESLA. I’ve had to have service done to this car at least once a month since I bought it. The first time being 2 weeks after purchasing
The conundrum I have is that I use schedule charging to start charging at 10pm. (Off peak) Once the charge is complete (I use 75%) at maybe 1am the charging stops and wont provide power again until 10pm the next night. So while the car is plugged in, in reality its as if its not plugged in as it cannot receive any power. The only solution is to either manualy plug in at 10pm without schedule or turn off the schedule charge function and then turn it back on every day in the App? Scheduling is convenient as I plug in at maybe 6pm and forget it and it nicely begins at 10pm without my thinking about it. How can I use scheduling and benefit from "always be plugged in" at the same time?
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What if I hang out like 60-80%?
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The problem is in europe, therte isn't an alternative.
Take the base model 3 . It has incentives for initial purchase and thus you can get it for like 35.000 euro (vat included)
So you go and look up what else you can get for like 35k, 30k or lower.
And nothing else you find is worth it.
Lets do a cheklist, for powertrain, trim level, car size (utility) and brand recognition.
No other EV even stands a chance in the first place. We are being offered renault, peugeot, volvo and other brands that give much smaller cars, much less power and well, much less renown (volvo is just the logo, because is 100% a chinese car, making it an overpriced lowcost car offer, only for the most idiotic of idiots..same as MG brand)
So Tesla model 3 rwd has no ev competition for it's price on all the counts.
Lets go into the combustion engines.
This is where you start to pull your hairs out.
They are offering us for 30.000 euro cars with a 1.5l engine...wtf, wtf, wtf...On a variety of brands.
A vw golf in mid trim level with a 2.0 tdi 150hp engine costs as much as the almost 300hp tesla 3 rwd that has a shit ton more trim, comfort, performance, utility and brand value than the garbage generic brand that vw is.
I've look up, at everything. Ford even has the nerve to sell a car for 35.000 euro that has a 1 liter engine. yes, the puma st with that over abused little 1.0 engine .
I've looked far and wide and there is no competition to speak of when wanting to buy a new car
The problem is, if you can't afford a tesla 3, you are being forced into wasting 20-25k euro on a scam car from all the others, cars with 1.2-1.5 engines and usually small city cars or small crossovers.
I ask tesla canada in person they said if u charge tesla with superchargers same as home chargers will never effect the battery . So idk cuz i still think to buy one and i don’t have any charge at my apartment
As a brand new Tesla owner I’m a bit shocked, I went from a 2019 wrx to a long range model y but the battery experience is a bit lackluster, I feel like I charge every 2 days and i need to get a wall mounted charger asap because I get 1kwh at home🤣 but it also kills my battery that I drive uphill to go home and waste like 10-15% a day from what it feels like😭
Yep, Tesla stated range is grossly overrated.. take 30% off and you will be happy. Using a lot of heat in winter and AC in summer lessen the range even further.
@@jml9550i thought gas cars also looses range on uphills.
@@Tech4geeks21st sure it uses more gas. I ain’t no MIT physicist, EV use the same energy going uphill and downhill?
If you drive uphill to go home then that means you're going downhill when leaving home, which would recharge your battery a bit, no?
@@schm147 no all that energy is transferred into the brakes
even tho I don't have the telsa charger at home to charge so I always super charge. where you say you should leave the car always plugged in when not using should I still keep it plugged in if I am just using a normal wall outlet? or will the wall outlet not help or hurt
I charge my Tesla at a supercharging station omw to work once a week up to 90% I work 6 days a week for almost a year now. But I haven’t check the degradation yet.
U got me wanting to get a tesla
I would love to charge at home, but until I can afford the electricians bill to install electricity and the charger in my garage, it’s still 50% cheaper to supercharge when I need too VS my previous 22’ ICE.
Model 3 performance 2024… is it lfp?
no only standard range cars are lfp
Hey dude, go to your in car Display screen go to Battery, the information is all there at your finger tips. If it’s LFP, it will ask you to charge to 100%, period.
I don't get how no one can charge at home? I have level 1 right now, and I have no issues getting to 100% (LFP). I will be looking to get a level 2 at some point but I could live well with level 1 for the time being.
The thing I've been struggling to reconcile is the notion that "Always be charging" seems to conflict with the ability to schedule a charging session.
‘ Always’ charging is a misunderstanding. Always PLUGGED in is not possible either unless you don’t use your car at all. The Battery Management System will not allow your Tesla to be “Always Charging “. The BMS will stop the charging once the battery is charged to the specified level eg 80% or 100% for LFP models. But your Tesla will draw power from your wall charger for other purposes other than charging your battery. Your Tesla don’t sleep when you go to bed, it has to maintain various systems in your car.
Unfortunately cant keep mine plugged in throughout the week. I only have a garage spot on weekends :((
Have you noticed any degradation in your battery health?
@@crk58241 nope nothing yet, i bought the car with 5% degradation and haven’t noticed anything
@@crk58241so keeping it plugged in everytime I’m home is healthy for my battery? I’m deciding on staying at 80% limit
So, let's say that your Tesla is rated for 300 miles on a full charge. If you follow the recommendations of keeping your battery between 80% to 20% for regular, local driving, then you're charging the battery at least every 180 miles. With battery charge dissipation, it's less than that. I just started recording the data, but I suspect I'm going to find out that I'm charging from 20% to 80% every 120-130 miles or so. I think that's kinda lame, but it is what it is.
What if you live in a condo or apartment where there is no charger at all?
That's what I'm doing
Mmmm… I don’t think you’re correct, I have a 2022 Model 3 SR+ and I just use Tesla superchargers to charge my car in the UK and every time I put the car on charge it says on my screen that the best way to keep my battery health is to use the battery until around 20% and then charge on the supercharger till 100% once a week. So who’s wrong here, you or Tesla?
No one is wrong. Tesla gives recommendations for the “casuals”, if you will, because they don’t want to overload them with information and the minute details.
@ fair enough man
Jeremiah, I have been juggling between buying a used Model Y and a used Model S. What are your thoughts about these options?
I have both.. it depends what model S you're looking at and price range. If money no object model S 100D 2017 or newer all the way, but if you're looking for something sub 35k, there's some really nice used model Y long range out there.
@@jeffreymagni1272 I’ve been watching Cars&Bids for a couple of months. It seemed like there were a lot of the Model S’s out there in the past, but not so many now. Also, most were in California, so either a long drive or a couple thousand dollars to ship to Southeast Michigan.
ive been told by Tesla employees its best for your battery if you can get away with charging it to 60% do it
I don't have a home charger only go to tesla supercharger and it's still 60 bucks a week or 3 fill ups which would be 180 in my bmw so I'm greatful
These people charging their LFP‘s to 100% every day, and very frequently on superchargers is going to degrade them faster. They are still lithium based batteries. They just have less voltage spike than magnesium cadmium batteries do at higher state of charge. Charging your LFP battery to 100% a couple of times a week is plenty to help. Keep the battery management system calibrated. Plus, at 100% state of charge you’re not getting full region when you’re breaking. It’s more comfortable to stop at 95% for that reason.
I agree with you comment. Not having full regen periodically should help remind you to use your brakes from time to time, as they too should be used on occasion.
Research has shown that level one charging is actually slightly worse for your battery than level two charging.
What research?
9:50-Cars going backwards.... Love the editing! Okay, moving on.....................
Installing a 240v in my area needs a permit from the city and costs 2k minimum
Communists
yup. i have my car charging, or just always plugged in. it always keeps the battery warm
charge mine to 100 every day and it hasnt degraded much more than 6 miles in 2 years now
How much did it effect your electricity bill?
You will own BEVs from now on. Just go with the Tesla Wall Connector and be done with it. Won't save money with those other options. The need for mobile EVSE is less and less ....
I can fill my diesel car anyway i want and stil would not hurt it. So when evs gets that and not have problems during Winther well then evs might be an option. And puling a caravan is what i do alot. I dont want to wait for a charger every time during holiday and have to unhook my trailer to charge. Eves are not for me.
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Everything was perfect until you put your hand over the camera at at the end lol
Actually you should charge to 100 percent. A full charge is actually 80 percent. System software wont actually charge to 100 percent. This mean 100 percent is actually 80 percent. Example when an ice care gauge say empty it actually has another 5 gallons in it.
I disagree super charging is still cheaper then gas and it has been shown not to significantly degrade the battery
So I just bought my Tesla and it has 10k free supercharger miles… i guess it is not good to use the superchargers due to degradation :/
It turns out that it's a bit of a myth that Superchargers degrade your batteries. If you have LFP, just charge to the top once you get down to 20% or 30% then up to 100% and you're good. If you have NMC, then just charge regularly to about 75% or 80%. Remember that up high, the charge rate slows anyway, and a lot of the new data shows no real increase in degradation with Supercharging as long as you don't go nuts to 100% all the time. If you do have LFP, once a month or so, let it dip below 10% and leave it there an hour or so, then to 100% That will help the BMS calibrate. And just FYI, I've owned both an NMC and an LFP Tesla.
@@Techridr oh sweet, well based on my commute I usually don’t charge over 65% daily and when I get home I’m at about 40% on NMC batteries. Thanks for the insight
"Always be plugged in" :D Yeah good luck with that if you don't live in a family house and have no access to electric outlets.
Unfortunately most of these “Tesla Tubers” now they don’t care about real information and sharing knowledge, the main thing now is make videos to fill up with ads for accessories that nobody what to buy 🤷♂️🤦♂️
I just bought a 2019 model 3 LR with about 41,000 miles. The vin code has a e in the battery identifier so I think it is lithium only? Should I aim for the 50% with charging stopping at 60% ?
Dude looks like he's not sleeping or on co co co co co cocaine!!
If you see the 300ish miles of range on a Tesla and assume that you can get away with charging once a week then a Tesla is not for you. Lots of the charge will go to preheating the interior and battery not to mention the quoted range numbers are in unrealistically ideal scenarios. I drive my model Y about 50 miles a day which uses anywhere from 20 to 30% of the charge. Jeremiah is right in that you do need to be able to charge at night. That being said I’m able to do it with a standard wall outlet. Wish I could use a dryer outlet, but I would have to use an extension cord from my dryer which sounds like a fire waiting to happen lol
Best way to use a Tesla: Lease
0 worries
0 depreciation
0 battery health
100% pedal to the floor
Just plug it in all the time literally that’s it
I use a level 2 supercharger for most major charges. U til I can get the level two setup at home I only have and use the level 1.
Battery researchers recommend the opposite... ill stick to what the experts say
And what exactly do these “experts” say?
@JremiahJones lithium batteries are best between 30 to 60% health. No need to charge daily if you don't travel much. What you recommend is what Tesla says. They provide a more balanced response for situations when you need to travel further.
I literally tell people to stay as close to 50% as possible if they care about battery health.
@@JremiahJones ABC always be charging motto doesn't make sense if the goal is stay within 50%
@@kenmasters007 yeah why would you keep charging battery if don't need to
Thank God somebody gave plain hard facts. So much nonsense out there.
The car is engineered to drive. That includes having different SOC. So this is non-sense 😅😅
Do NOT buy a EV if you cannot charge at HOME.
Nonsense. When I got my first Tesla, I didn't have home charging. I only Supercharged once a week and got free juice when at Target and Trader Joes and sometimes the malls. I have home charging now and it's much better, but not everyone travels a lot of miles, so not everyone needs a home charger. Also, many might have charging at work, so there's that.
In the SF Bay Area, Superchargers are cheaper than most home $/kWh. That’s ridiculously higher than other regions, but it’s still about half of what I’d pay for gas.
@@ResetPhil Yeah I saw the prices in San Jose and they're high. Actually a bit lower in SF, but that's a bit expected in those areas. Here in So Cal I'm at about .26c at home. 10 years ago it was about .17c. It's hard to swallow when some parts of the country you can pay like .14c still. Good thing solar is also getting cheaper as years go on
Agree. You can't be a slave to a supercharger somewhere.
Charge at work is fine too.