Closer than ever before. Me and my 8 year old did a review of the new update. just like yours, minus the production value, professionalism and accurate info
Great video Gerald! I’m and S1 shooter (and Gh5). The ONE THING I miss on the S1 is synchro scan. I shoot events with lots of LEDs and projectors and having synchro scan on the GH5 has saved me from huge amounts of banding in my footage. Holding out for a firmware update!
Jesus Christ, the image quality of the S1 series and S5 smokes Sony and Canon, Panasonic did a terrific job, if I ever get depressed because of the AF, I go look at the stuff people made with Panasonic full frame bodies, then I look at my own stuff, and I tell myself (Who needs AF anyway, these cameras produce image so good you never will worry again)
Great video! Big thanks to @Dennis Schmitz also for keeping the Panasonic feet to the fire re: the ghosting. It's a real problem and I hope they get it sorted soon, along with the issue some people are having with corrupted files. I know the GH5 had it and it got fixed in firmware with v2.0, so it's more a question of when. Hopefully around NAB time (even though it's cancelled). I chose the S1H myself as I'm a narrative filmmaker who needs DCI4K etc, plus the OLPF stops moire. Not to mention unlimited recording time and no compromises re: modes etc.
@@geraldundone I have the same 'ghost edge' problem on my sony a6300. Especially in cine4 picture profile and high ISO. In S-LOG2 not really noticeable. 🤷♂️
Gerald, just a Thanx for all your great output here on UA-cam! 20 year Nikon shooter that bought S1 + Atomos Shinobi. Bit of a learning curve, but the new rig is showing promise. Keep up the Great Work. Bob
I'm thinking on pushing the button on the S1 since they dropped it down to $2000 but I'm trying to see if they might drop the price on the S1h when the R5 is released and the Komodo.
hoodaffairstv I just picked up an open box S1 with the 24-105 for under 2000, so deals are there to be had on this; literally half the price of the S1h, and comes with a great lens!
Hey Gerald or anybody else here, I know the Video is old but maybe you can answer my questions: A Does with the 2.1 update the Panasonic S1 finally offer true 24p when recorded to the Ninja V? or is it just 23.97? I am thinking of making an S1 my second camera alongside my BMPCC6K so any good ideas and any input is very Wellcome. Thank you a lot! Maybe it would be great to hear about the cameras abilities now in 2022.
Whilst Sony and Canon still protecting their expensive cinema cameras, Panasonic isn't afraid to cannibalize its own sells in order to keep the buyers happy and away from the competition.
yes!!! So happy that someone is doing this comparison!!! Everybody judge me because I bought the S1 and not the S1H and then I hear that I have to explain to them that it's not justified the extra 2000$ !
Razvan Zot Well, I bought the S1H for two reasons: the lowpassfilter and 4K/60 10bit, but of course this is everyone’s personal decision, especially because it is so expensive...
@@starnutron6147 Yeah, until this point I sold the S1H. Autofocus was the main argument for me, but also the lack of 4K/60 or higher framerates without crop. Kind of sad but well, I‘m still waiting for a successor - at least until then I‘ll stick to Canon…
Personally, I would take neither. The GH5 is $1300 brand new and when you get to the point of needing the image for professional use, you are going to light the scene anyway, almost fully negating the advantage of the big sensor. For the price of S1H one would buy pretty much the whole GH5 system, lens(es), recorder, cards and all...
The GH5 has about three stops less dynamic range in comparison which is quite noticeable even in good professional lighting situations. Especially when trying to create a moody look with lots of practicals like I did with my GH5 back in 2018: vimeo.com/265473073
Hey Gerald, it would be wonderful if you could do a follow up review of the S1 vs S1H with all the new capabilities that have been added through firmware etc, and the options in 2021 :)
@@KamilKeenanVisuals with current firmware the s1 is definitely better than the s5 and theres almost no reason to get the s1H panasonic basically made their high end s series obsolete through firmware other than the ALL-I options. While I do love both my s1 and s5 the battery life, screen brightness and clarity, extra internal recording options, and full size hdmi output/xqd card slot of the s1 bring it ahead of the s5.
@@idlemindsmedia hi can you help me please? I am curious if the S1 after most recent update can do both 24fps AND 60fps @ 10-bit internally? Secondly, I am used to h.264 on my gh5, and I am a little concerned with the h.265 that the S1 uses. Can you share your experience? Is h.265 at all recording modes or just 10-bit 4k60? Also I do not have a Ninja so I would be doing everything internally
@@billem16 so I came from the gh5 as well but I primarily use the mov format which does support all the way to c4k 60p at 10 bit and I don’t have any issues editing . It will also do 6k 30p internally at 10 bit if you need it to!
Can I just say how much I enjoyed hearing you and Dennis have a really substantive (i.e., no bull****) talk about specific technical issues. I know how much of a pain it is to edit something like this (especially when show the specific technical issues like temporal ghosting on-screen) but this level of in-depth geekery is so interesting. At least to me--and probably many others. Nice work and carry on, Gerald!
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Hi Gerald, I'd be interested to see a similar kind of comparison between the gh5 and g9 with vlog upgrade. I have seen a video in which the g9 actually looks much sharper than the gh5. I think this could be an interesting video, especially for those intending to use an external recorder regardless of their choice.
Actually no one buys the external recorder for the 4k 60fps,and now the vlog is free so the price is 2000dollars for s1 and 4000dollars for the s1h..i don't think s1h is worth so much.....
Since you asked... I produce most everything with my GH5 and have no complaints other than noise in low light. The GH5s isn't an option because I'm mostly run & gun. Which brings me to FF and what I'm going to purchase next to deal with low light filming or photography. Also image quality obviously should will improve with FF. Last, is cash! How much can I afford? I'm almost to the point that my Canadian budget can afford the S1 or do I wait until late fall and hopefully have enough to buy the S1H. I still cannot answer that question. So, I'll just keep saving until I get the right answer or enough cash comes my way. Cheers
!!!! this answers about all my questions between these two. !!!! I have been waiting to pull the trigger on an S1 for about 2 mo because my questions over whether or not to spend the xtra cash on the S1H have not, up to now, been answered. Thanks!!!
it is a nice review as always... I am from Africa I hope you will give me a response to my question...Mr Gerald I am from Ethiopia I am young, I have level ii certificate on film making from vocational school and I have tried to join film making industry but i have no professional camera to start this business and my families are poor to help me so let me ask you one big question please help me i.e please send me a camera if you have a camera you did not use right now(unusable camera).
Hi, I'm a documentary filmmaker for cinema and I have the S1. But I have three major problems with it. My question here: Does the S1H has the same? 1.) The rec button of the S1 cannot trigger my external recorder from ATOMOS, because my S1 doesn't put out timecode over HDMI or a trigger. So when I want to shoot simultaniusly internaly (backup) and externally I have to press two times rec. Which is a pain and sometimes to slow to react in shooting in a documentary. So the S1H should be a winner here, because it has at least timecode and I think also a trigger - right? 2.) I would love to shoot in some difficult situations without an external monitor/recorder. The great EVF would allow that. But I shoot most of my films for cinema in cinemascope (not anamorphic). But there is really no options in the S1 for framing markers inside the camera. Only helping lines for photo. That is really a shame for a video oriented camera. So I cannot frame my picture without a monitor. Does the S1H has this option? I think I read somewhere that it also not have this feature. 3.) The switch to APS-C mode is not assignable to function buttons. You have to go into the menu and click twice. Simply to long for some situation where you have to change it fast or when the camera is on a gimbal. An my Sony a7M3 you can have this switch simply by pressing a button. This is a joy to use. When you record with external recorder only you can change it during record - like a cut. Does the S1H has this option? Thanks for the help WOLFGANG
I've been using GH5 for 3 years, and just bought eos R for my second camera, a better AF and also want to experience canon color science. In conclusion, I think I love the color from Lumix more and would just stick on Lumix camera to upgrade in the future.
I have the S1 and love it! Although I will purchase the S1H in the future and then switch the S1 to my B cam. I have invested a ton in this system including the Atomos and lenses and couldn’t be happier with it. Thanks for the great content!
Bruno Lazaro I will probably wait for Panasonic to work out a few of the issues. One thing that I do know about Panasonic is that they are constantly improving their products through firmware updates. I have watched Gerald for a long time and have always trusted what he says as he seems very honest even when the truth hurts. Thanks for looking out though 🙂
@@cbflazaro Gerald wouldn't not mention an issue for affiliate money. Consider the possibility that he did not have the file corruption issues you speak of.
Great to see you compare these, I got to use the S1 a few weeks back and it was a beast. Think I had the 35mm sigma on board and man it was heavy. My hand started to ache after a short time. I moved to the Fuji GFX100 was found ot lighter 🤔. Would love the S1 my self tbh.
The S1 is on sale at BHphoto body only for $1,997 .99. The V-LOG software upgrade comes free too. So you're saving $700 in total right there and that money can be put towards a nice lens.
What about the 6k/4k photo mode on the S1? Is it worth using? To my knowledge it shoots 4k60 at 10bit with a 1.5crop, just like the S1H does. Is there a reason not to shoot with it/is there an advantage to instead use the 1080p60 10bit mode?
Thanks Gerald and Dennis! I was hoping for an informed video on this very comparison.. the similarities and differences, the issues, and that price difference! Great video!
With the latest 2021 firmware update, these two cameras are even closer than before. I think of the S1H like the GH5 and the S1 like the G9. They're so similar that 99% of buyers would be happy with the cheaper model. And, for the other 1%, the Netflix approval is probably what pushes the S1H over the top more than anything else. Due to the unreliable autofocus, neither of these cameras makes much sense for any situation when the camera is unmanned, so look elsewhere if you're a vlogger. All of this competition is great for consumers though because it's forcing all of the manufacturers to make their stills cameras more capable for video.
Very helpful and thoughtful and entertaining! I was on the fence of those two and I've decided to go to S1 if I am going to ditch the a7m3 soon enough. Thank you!
S1H video and an S1R for photos. You could also mention the waveform in stills mode which gives more info like the histogram 😉 BTW the manual focusing with S PRO lenses are awesome, as you can set it to linear mode and set the throw as well! My 24-70 S PRO is also parfocal and no focus breathing at all. Panasonic provides outstanding hybrid lenses for both video and stills shooters as well!
I'm seriously thinking about upgrading from an A7III to an S1H. I'm really glad to hear about the quality of the lenses as I have the Sony 24-70 GM and wanted to know how Panasonic's lenses were. Thanks!
JoeShon Monroe Here is a great example about the S Pro lens performance: ua-cam.com/video/B0i0fQvviBg/v-deo.html As I heard the 70-200 2.8 also acts like this lens when it comes to focus breathing and parfocal capabilities! Just like the pro cinema lenses!
To even compete with the S1H you have to rig up the BMPCC6k and it still won't be a full frame camera. It's not as good at taking photos as the S1H either. Also the S1H is Netflix approved. The S1H is just all around better and more convenient.
WTF?! I don't understand camera manufacturers these days. Adding Temporal Noise Reduction without any option to turn it off is CRAZY! Sometimes it feels like those cameras are not made for professional/skilled people, but for the smartphone-crowd, who might want simple controls and less options. The Picture Profiles in those cameras are super stupid and unnecessarily limited as well. We have cryptic names such as "scenery" or "portrait" or "CineD", and NO information about tone value curves and other details of those profiles. Also the order is chaotic, and there's no way to remove/blend-out stuff, you don't use. Instead of putting in those stupid profiles + contrast slider (+ additional highlight/shadow setting, which is stupidly not part of a profile), they should let us freely define our own contrast curves and save them as presets. Saturation and HUE Shifts (by LUTs) should be included in those presets as well. Especially HUE Shift is needed to get rid of those pinkish lips, the GH5 is producing for no reason. (This is not fixable with white balance or any other in camera setting. It's also already in the RAW files. Red Lips are shifted towards pink.) Oh ... sorry for ranting. It's just, that I don't understand, how companys can produce such sophisticated (and in many ways great) tools, but then completely FAIL at such easy things.
Can't recall if I mentioned this earlier, but it's worth repeating. The AF is terrible on both these cameras. But for fully manual shooters (like myself) that means next to nothing. What does mean something are 1) ability to punch in to check focus while rolling and 2) ability to use peaking to maintain critical focus on moving subjects/objects while rolling. The S1 has the inexplicable anomaly of peaking that virtually vanishes, especially in flatter profiles, as soon as you hit record. This is actually the reverse of the GH5. It's peaking actually boosts as soon as you hit record. Fortunately, the S1H maintains usable peaking while rolling. No. It's not as good as the X-T4 peaking (nothing is) but if you depend on peaking to track subjects while rolling the S1 will not be your camera. That's why I sold mine. In addition, to add insult to injury, Panasonic did not provide a punch-in while rolling. No AF, no punch in, no peaking---could Panasonic possibly do more to keep you from achieving a correctly focused image and keep it during the shot?!? If so, tell me how. Black the screen out and just have to totally guess in the dark. Of course, neither camera, last I checked, has the ability to punch in while rolling---Fuji does, and it's great!
Dude your the only one that down plays the s1h it the best video NOT STILL camera. If not why does every one else encluding Netflix Prasad the video capability....I was set to buy the h but listing to you I should run out an get sony aIII A7R4 or wait the new sIii
DVX200 had the same problems with ghosting and this was completely removed by turning off the NR. It's surprising that this issue still affects Panasonic cameras given their attention to detail with all other aspects.
@@MarkoPejovic I can only compare it to my GH5, it looks amazing. I cant believe they shipped the peaking working so poorly for a camera that struggles with AF.
Got a question I haven’t been able to find the answer to. When I used the s1h, when touching screen to focus, I then had to press the af button actually make it focus. Was there something wrong with the s1h I was using or a setting I missed? That isn’t the same behavior as the gh cameras, so I thought it was really weird.
Amazing video Gerald! When I made the choice to get the S1H over the S1, the 4k60 and HD120 10-bit options were the main reasons. I don't like shooting V-log in 8-bit as I get varied results, and as a documentary shooter it's hard to expose every shot perfectly. Having 10-bit for all shooting modes allows me to shoot in V-log all the time for my shooting situations and speeds up my workflow a lot. Also coming from the GH4 and GH5s, the articulating screen was something I didn't want to lose. Sometimes I'm filming in such a tight spot that I have to move my screen in a very awkward position just to get the shot. Without an articulating screen, this isn't possible.
its not , you can use a mirror , infect a mirror is in my kit , because when i shoot with on camera flash , and want to bounce it i use a mirror and its much easier then grabbing the bag , setting up commander , stand , the flash , get it all to work and then shoot , sometimes there is no time for that , so i use a mirror or a mirror like surface . I also cut off one LED light bulb plastic cover , its round and i cut it off put it on flash as a disperser , there are also flashes that can be purchased like this , but most are branded and expensive , and no one is paying me to work . I already lost half of my lenses , they broke , and if someone doesn't pay something they will not get the images , and maybe then they will realize something they got for free , is not free , gear brakes , even if you do it for family like i do . My friend has a flash for his crop Nikon body , and it has a round disperser on top , makes a lot of difference but he is payed but the local governor , to take pictures of him for media . so he got 400$ flash for nothing , i on the other hand use a mirror , and a cut of light bulb disperser .Point being , there is always a way .
Gerald, really appreciate the in depth comparison and honest look at things! I actually just bought the S1H a week ago as an upgrade from my GH5! I think the S1H does a great job of having everything one would need to just pick it up and film without adding extra accessories.
Man this video was amazing and has convinced me that my A7III may not be around much longer lol. But in other news that guy @11:18 almost got whacked!!!!
I went ahead and ordered the S1H in the end, since I wanted the more compact option of having the flip out screen without always needing the Ninja V. And the firmware update for the S1H has just come out fixing thr noise reduction issue, and adding raw. Hi from Australia. Solid video. Huge Fan.
@@DennisSchmitz Yes very true. I love this camera. The main reason I'm not willing to switch is because I'm still not in a condition to use 4k on a daily basis because I don't have a system powerful enough to render (i5 2nd gen gt 1030) content on a daily basis. Not to mention it takes more space and storage is a big concern too..😅
Killer video as always my man! Your ability to convey vast multitudes of technical data in an efficient and intelligible manner continues to astound, entertain, and inform me.
If I weren’t so invested in anamorphic glass the s1 would have been ok. But being an anamorphoholic the s1h seems like the best upgrade from the gh5. Stay safe guys ✌🏽
I'm late to the party here as I stumbled across this video looking for something else. Nice video and glad the ghosting issue had a fix :) There's one point I want to clarify. Since the introduction of Dual Native ISO by Panasonic in 2014, I've spent a bit of time with the Pana engineers and got a lot of early hands on with their cinema cameras. Lets put aside the ISO variance in this video as to noise as we all now the S1H was updated. The test included here to compare the noise of both at different ISO's is an apples to apples test, whereby both are operated the exact same way. Understandable. However the S1H has another option. So dual native ISO is present on the S1 and S1H, but it works differently on both models. Let's assume Vlog setting for all the below. On the S1, as you dial the ISO up (gain up) it auto switches from the low to high iso setting at ISO4000. Yes, we are all familiar with that. The S1H works differently. Whilst there's an auto setting that will make your camera work like the S1, I'd never recommend using it. On the S1H low setting base you can gain up from 640 to 5000ISO. Then in High base setting you can gain up from 4000 base to 51200 ISO. The important difference here is that on the High base ISO setting you can also gain down. Set your base to High (4000iso) and then gain down to 2000ISO for example. What you're actually doing here is reducing the SNR i.e. there's less noise. This is easy to compare for anyone who owns an S1H. Set ISO at low base and gain up to 2000ISO and record. Set ISO High base and and gain down to 2000ISO and record. View them on a 4K monitor side by side. The result is a cleaner image. This is also how the Varicam35, LT and EVA1 work, but again not how the S1 works. There is a clear advantage to doing it this way. Anyway, just thought I'd clarify that.
This is the first I have heard of the ghosting issue being fixed. Got any information on that or do you just know because you have it? If I remember that last firmware didn’t mention it but perhaps I missed it.
I really love your videos ....but the ending with slowing down to 75% making me feel stupid and uncomfortable....i understand 99% (I am not a native english speaker). My image of you as a "camera superhero" as I called you while ago has because of this changed to not clicking on your videos. Is probably just some kind of psychological shit in my head but maybe you losing 0.00000001% of viewers....which is not necessary. Peace
Hi Gerald ... have you done any videos on the EVA1?? I just love the way you explain things ... you make understanding the most technically difficult explanations - SIMPLE!
Funny thing, in 2023 the S1 has most of the features of the S1H now including anamorphic IBIS, 4k 60 at 10 bit and 6k recording. It’s a baby S1H 😃
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That is all.
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Closer than ever before. Me and my 8 year old did a review of the new update. just like yours, minus the production value, professionalism and accurate info
Gerald you've convinced me I'm ditching Sony and getting the S1
Eric Starick you won’t regret it. I switched and was heavily invested in Sony. Couldn’t be happier
Panasonic is the way to go
I have both
Honestly im just waiting to see if Sony is going to fire back hard this year, if not I'm moving on.
Some guy is selling me the s1r for 2k I’m fishi about buying it sounds like a scam. That’s way to low
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Great video Gerald! I’m and S1 shooter (and Gh5). The ONE THING I miss on the S1 is synchro scan. I shoot events with lots of LEDs and projectors and having synchro scan on the GH5 has saved me from huge amounts of banding in my footage. Holding out for a firmware update!
I have used this on my gh4 for years. Is there still no syncro scan in 2022?
Jesus Christ, the image quality of the S1 series and S5 smokes Sony and Canon, Panasonic did a terrific job, if I ever get depressed because of the AF, I go look at the stuff people made with Panasonic full frame bodies, then I look at my own stuff, and I tell myself (Who needs AF anyway, these cameras produce image so good you never will worry again)
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Damn, Camera Canada are really taking the storm from Henry
Always solid, relevant and clear. I tell myself I don’t have time to watch the full video. Then I watch it twice :-)
Great video! Big thanks to @Dennis Schmitz also for keeping the Panasonic feet to the fire re: the ghosting. It's a real problem and I hope they get it sorted soon, along with the issue some people are having with corrupted files. I know the GH5 had it and it got fixed in firmware with v2.0, so it's more a question of when. Hopefully around NAB time (even though it's cancelled).
I chose the S1H myself as I'm a narrative filmmaker who needs DCI4K etc, plus the OLPF stops moire. Not to mention unlimited recording time and no compromises re: modes etc.
Thanks for chiming in, Paul. Always love hearing your thoughts!
@@geraldundone I have the same 'ghost edge' problem on my sony a6300. Especially in cine4 picture profile and high ISO. In S-LOG2 not really noticeable. 🤷♂️
Gerald, just a Thanx for all your great output here on UA-cam! 20 year Nikon shooter that bought S1 + Atomos Shinobi. Bit of a learning curve, but the new rig is showing promise. Keep up the Great Work. Bob
I'm thinking on pushing the button on the S1 since they dropped it down to $2000 but I'm trying to see if they might drop the price on the S1h when the R5 is released and the Komodo.
hoodaffairstv I just picked up an open box S1 with the 24-105 for under 2000, so deals are there to be had on this; literally half the price of the S1h, and comes with a great lens!
Hey Gerald or anybody else here, I know the Video is old but maybe you can answer my questions: A Does with the 2.1 update the Panasonic S1 finally offer true 24p when recorded to the Ninja V? or is it just 23.97? I am thinking of making an S1 my second camera alongside my BMPCC6K so any good ideas and any input is very Wellcome. Thank you a lot!
Maybe it would be great to hear about the cameras abilities now in 2022.
Whilst Sony and Canon still protecting their expensive cinema cameras, Panasonic isn't afraid to cannibalize its own sells in order to keep the buyers happy and away from the competition.
Reading this 1 year later after panasonic released their 2.0 firmware for the S1. Panasonic is such a great company.
yes!!! So happy that someone is doing this comparison!!! Everybody judge me because I bought the S1 and not the S1H and then I hear that I have to explain to them that it's not justified the extra 2000$ !
Razvan Zot Well, I bought the S1H for two reasons: the lowpassfilter and 4K/60 10bit, but of course this is everyone’s personal decision, especially because it is so expensive...
You don't have to explain anything to anyone when you're spending YOUR money!
@@felixmentele Now S1 also have 4k60 in 10bit
@@starnutron6147 Yeah, until this point I sold the S1H. Autofocus was the main argument for me, but also the lack of 4K/60 or higher framerates without crop. Kind of sad but well, I‘m still waiting for a successor - at least until then I‘ll stick to Canon…
Waiting for a S1H II with 4K 120, little more dynamic range and no rolling shutter. Also would be great to have a built in variable electronic ND
I'd love for you to cover an equivalent camcorder. eg Panasonic AG-CX350
That camera looks really interesting, hopefully he will do it!
this video Need a refresh, the S1 with the last Fw update go up 6k resolution
Personally, I would take neither. The GH5 is $1300 brand new and when you get to the point of needing the image for professional use, you are going to light the scene anyway, almost fully negating the advantage of the big sensor. For the price of S1H one would buy pretty much the whole GH5 system, lens(es), recorder, cards and all...
But the updated G9 is basically a GH5 with better autofocus so who knows.
The GH5 has about three stops less dynamic range in comparison which is quite noticeable even in good professional lighting situations.
Especially when trying to create a moody look with lots of practicals like I did with my GH5 back in 2018:
vimeo.com/265473073
Maybe it was an old issue, tried it and everything is fine for me now 2021.04.11 Vlog and HLG work both just fine
Hey Gerald, it would be wonderful if you could do a follow up review of the S1 vs S1H with all the new capabilities that have been added through firmware etc, and the options in 2021 :)
yeah, now with latest S1 updates I don't know if it's better than S5, and much closer to S1H?
@@KamilKeenanVisuals with current firmware the s1 is definitely better than the s5 and theres almost no reason to get the s1H panasonic basically made their high end s series obsolete through firmware other than the ALL-I options. While I do love both my s1 and s5 the battery life, screen brightness and clarity, extra internal recording options, and full size hdmi output/xqd card slot of the s1 bring it ahead of the s5.
@@idlemindsmedia hi can you help me please? I am curious if the S1 after most recent update can do both 24fps AND 60fps @ 10-bit internally? Secondly, I am used to h.264 on my gh5, and I am a little concerned with the h.265 that the S1 uses. Can you share your experience? Is h.265 at all recording modes or just 10-bit 4k60? Also I do not have a Ninja so I would be doing everything internally
@@billem16 so I came from the gh5 as well but I primarily use the mov format which does support all the way to c4k 60p at 10 bit and I don’t have any issues editing . It will also do 6k 30p internally at 10 bit if you need it to!
@@idlemindsmedia can you confirm the battery life being better than the S5?
How do you remove the white square from the screen/viewfinder? I’m trying to shoot with no obfuscations.
Can I just say how much I enjoyed hearing you and Dennis have a really substantive (i.e., no bull****) talk about specific technical issues. I know how much of a pain it is to edit something like this (especially when show the specific technical issues like temporal ghosting on-screen) but this level of in-depth geekery is so interesting. At least to me--and probably many others. Nice work and carry on, Gerald!
No one seems to be talking about the s1r as much. Why is that? I guess for you its in the description that you are focusing on video aspects.
There is too much aliasing with the S1R because of the line skipping...the moire goes wild with that camera
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Hi Gerald, I'd be interested to see a similar kind of comparison between the gh5 and g9 with vlog upgrade. I have seen a video in which the g9 actually looks much sharper than the gh5. I think this could be an interesting video, especially for those intending to use an external recorder regardless of their choice.
Actually no one buys the external recorder for the 4k 60fps,and now the vlog is free so the price is 2000dollars for s1 and 4000dollars for the s1h..i don't think s1h is worth so much.....
Considering how good is the quality of the 1080i 60p 10bit...I will never buy an external recorder
Since you asked... I produce most everything with my GH5 and have no complaints other than noise in low light. The GH5s isn't an option because I'm mostly run & gun. Which brings me to FF and what I'm going to purchase next to deal with low light filming or photography. Also image quality obviously should will improve with FF. Last, is cash! How much can I afford? I'm almost to the point that my Canadian budget can afford the S1 or do I wait until late fall and hopefully have enough to buy the S1H. I still cannot answer that question. So, I'll just keep saving until I get the right answer or enough cash comes my way. Cheers
I've been waiting for a video like this and I should have known Gerald would be the one to do it. Love this channel
!!!! this answers about all my questions between these two. !!!! I have been waiting to pull the trigger on an S1 for about 2 mo because my questions over whether or not to spend the xtra cash on the S1H have not, up to now, been answered. Thanks!!!
What is your decision?
it is a nice review as always... I am from Africa I hope you will give me a response to my question...Mr Gerald I am from Ethiopia I am young, I have level ii certificate on film making from vocational school and I have tried to join film making industry but i have no professional camera to start this business and my families are poor to help me so let me ask you one big question please help me i.e please send me a camera if you have a camera you did not use right now(unusable camera).
55media is down now. Do you have any other details for the LUT?
🔥 Having both, I always pick up the S1H first. What makes the S1 great is it makes a fabulous B Cam with almost exact same video quality.
Nate's Film Tutorials doesn’t S1 have slightly different look at 24 FPS due to no shutter angle option?
Jan Komorowski I don’t notice it
Anybody know if the ghosting issue has been fixed on the newest updates, looking at buying an s5 from an a7r3 and not sure what to do
If the S1 had 1080p120, I'd be compelled....
I think it does now with the new firmware update.
Hi, I'm a documentary filmmaker for cinema and I have the S1.
But I have three major problems with it. My question here: Does the S1H has the same?
1.) The rec button of the S1 cannot trigger my external recorder from ATOMOS, because my S1 doesn't put out timecode over HDMI or a trigger.
So when I want to shoot simultaniusly internaly (backup) and externally I have to press two times rec. Which is a pain and sometimes to slow to react in shooting in a documentary.
So the S1H should be a winner here, because it has at least timecode and I think also a trigger - right?
2.) I would love to shoot in some difficult situations without an external monitor/recorder. The great EVF would allow that.
But I shoot most of my films for cinema in cinemascope (not anamorphic). But there is really no options in the S1 for framing markers inside the camera. Only helping lines for photo.
That is really a shame for a video oriented camera. So I cannot frame my picture without a monitor.
Does the S1H has this option? I think I read somewhere that it also not have this feature.
3.) The switch to APS-C mode is not assignable to function buttons. You have to go into the menu and click twice.
Simply to long for some situation where you have to change it fast or when the camera is on a gimbal.
An my Sony a7M3 you can have this switch simply by pressing a button. This is a joy to use.
When you record with external recorder only you can change it during record - like a cut.
Does the S1H has this option?
Thanks for the help
WOLFGANG
1meter60 The S1 is advertised as a photography camera with video options, not a videography camera with photography options.
yo did homie at 11:18 almost die or what!?
I’d argue he P6K is a better value but understand the void that the Panasonic is trying to fill. (The people waiting for the now mythical A7Siii)
Hey Gerald! Did lumix update for the lumix S1H?
You're Canadian, but your English is perfect. Nice! 👊
Do I deserve to be given a camera?
Can you compare it with XT-4 please.
Don't forget that the S1 now supports CFExpress cards in the XQD slot! Game changer.
Test the X-T4 and the dynamic Range, compare it to the GH5 and test maybe some lenses for video please
At 5:57 the wall is seems like there are homocentric cycles with light variations , i have the problem when i shoot vlog with my S1 . Is it normal ?
Not if you film in 10 bit, but a bit of clean film grain help to avoid that during the export.
I've been using GH5 for 3 years, and just bought eos R for my second camera, a better AF and also want to experience canon color science. In conclusion, I think I love the color from Lumix more and would just stick on Lumix camera to upgrade in the future.
Thanks for sharing
I have the S1 and love it! Although I will purchase the S1H in the future and then switch the S1 to my B cam. I have invested a ton in this system including the Atomos and lenses and couldn’t be happier with it. Thanks for the great content!
dont. s1h has lots of file corruption issues. He didnt mention, dunno why (affiliate money? )
Bruno Lazaro I will probably wait for Panasonic to work out a few of the issues. One thing that I do know about Panasonic is that they are constantly improving their products through firmware updates. I have watched Gerald for a long time and have always trusted what he says as he seems very honest even when the truth hurts. Thanks for looking out though 🙂
@@cbflazaro Gerald wouldn't not mention an issue for affiliate money. Consider the possibility that he did not have the file corruption issues you speak of.
@@cbflazaro I have S1 its good bro just the autofocus in video is not that good
Great to see you compare these, I got to use the S1 a few weeks back and it was a beast. Think I had the 35mm sigma on board and man it was heavy. My hand started to ache after a short time.
I moved to the Fuji GFX100 was found ot lighter 🤔. Would love the S1 my self tbh.
The S1 is on sale at BHphoto body only for $1,997
.99. The V-LOG software upgrade comes free too. So you're saving $700 in total right there and that money can be put towards a nice lens.
What about the 6k/4k photo mode on the S1? Is it worth using? To my knowledge it shoots 4k60 at 10bit with a 1.5crop, just like the S1H does. Is there a reason not to shoot with it/is there an advantage to instead use the 1080p60 10bit mode?
Thanks Gerald and Dennis! I was hoping for an informed video on this very comparison.. the similarities and differences, the issues, and that price difference! Great video!
With the latest 2021 firmware update, these two cameras are even closer than before. I think of the S1H like the GH5 and the S1 like the G9. They're so similar that 99% of buyers would be happy with the cheaper model. And, for the other 1%, the Netflix approval is probably what pushes the S1H over the top more than anything else.
Due to the unreliable autofocus, neither of these cameras makes much sense for any situation when the camera is unmanned, so look elsewhere if you're a vlogger.
All of this competition is great for consumers though because it's forcing all of the manufacturers to make their stills cameras more capable for video.
Very helpful and thoughtful and entertaining! I was on the fence of those two and I've decided to go to S1 if I am going to ditch the a7m3 soon enough. Thank you!
The value for money of the S1 is too good! Good choice Jonathan!
Now, over a year later...has there been a fix for the ghosting in the S1H? I can't find any evidence of a fix being released.
RAW doesn’t means it’s the real RAW Sensor Stream. The camera company’s always tweaks around.
Don't say that 😞
was it just me or did anyone eles notice at 11:21 old dude almost gets clobbered by the red bus?
S1H video and an S1R for photos. You could also mention the waveform in stills mode which gives more info like the histogram 😉 BTW the manual focusing with S PRO lenses are awesome, as you can set it to linear mode and set the throw as well! My 24-70 S PRO is also parfocal and no focus breathing at all. Panasonic provides outstanding hybrid lenses for both video and stills shooters as well!
I'm seriously thinking about upgrading from an A7III to an S1H. I'm really glad to hear about the quality of the lenses as I have the Sony 24-70 GM and wanted to know how Panasonic's lenses were. Thanks!
JoeShon Monroe Here is a great example about the S Pro lens performance: ua-cam.com/video/B0i0fQvviBg/v-deo.html As I heard the 70-200 2.8 also acts like this lens when it comes to focus breathing and parfocal capabilities! Just like the pro cinema lenses!
S1 + Ninja V is still a better deal. Recording via SSD and getting prores /dnx is way superior and cheaper than S1H internal codecs minus the 6k.
I watched twice to get your views up. Great work!
Can you do a new video with the 2.0 firmware S1 update? The S1 will be closer to the s1h
Absolutely loving the S1H, Shoot mainly on the EVA1 but using the S1H more and more when i show up on sets haha
Great comparison Gerald, thanks for the video 👍🙏
YAYYYY lets get undone
any reason to choose the S1H over the BMPCC6K?
To even compete with the S1H you have to rig up the BMPCC6k and it still won't be a full frame camera. It's not as good at taking photos as the S1H either. Also the S1H is Netflix approved. The S1H is just all around better and more convenient.
Let's say that the P6K is the perfect camera to use on studios, for anything else the S1H is better.
WTF?! I don't understand camera manufacturers these days.
Adding Temporal Noise Reduction without any option to turn it off is CRAZY!
Sometimes it feels like those cameras are not made for professional/skilled people, but for the smartphone-crowd, who might want simple controls and less options.
The Picture Profiles in those cameras are super stupid and unnecessarily limited as well.
We have cryptic names such as "scenery" or "portrait" or "CineD", and NO information about tone value curves and other details of those profiles.
Also the order is chaotic, and there's no way to remove/blend-out stuff, you don't use.
Instead of putting in those stupid profiles + contrast slider (+ additional highlight/shadow setting, which is stupidly not part of a profile), they should let us freely define our own contrast curves and save them as presets.
Saturation and HUE Shifts (by LUTs) should be included in those presets as well.
Especially HUE Shift is needed to get rid of those pinkish lips, the GH5 is producing for no reason.
(This is not fixable with white balance or any other in camera setting. It's also already in the RAW files. Red Lips are shifted towards pink.)
Oh ... sorry for ranting.
It's just, that I don't understand, how companys can produce such sophisticated (and in many ways great) tools, but then completely FAIL at such easy things.
It both sounds amazing but let's be frank, I can't afford either of these :/
HfoSlayer many selling their S1’s..look for a used one deal
That's Paul Dano...playing his character Gerald.
Can't recall if I mentioned this earlier, but it's worth repeating. The AF is terrible on both these cameras. But for fully manual shooters (like myself) that means next to nothing. What does mean something are 1) ability to punch in to check focus while rolling and 2) ability to use peaking to maintain critical focus on moving subjects/objects while rolling.
The S1 has the inexplicable anomaly of peaking that virtually vanishes, especially in flatter profiles, as soon as you hit record. This is actually the reverse of the GH5. It's peaking actually boosts as soon as you hit record.
Fortunately, the S1H maintains usable peaking while rolling. No. It's not as good as the X-T4 peaking (nothing is) but if you depend on peaking to track subjects while rolling the S1 will not be your camera. That's why I sold mine.
In addition, to add insult to injury, Panasonic did not provide a punch-in while rolling. No AF, no punch in, no peaking---could Panasonic possibly do more to keep you from achieving a correctly focused image and keep it during the shot?!? If so, tell me how. Black the screen out and just have to totally guess in the dark.
Of course, neither camera, last I checked, has the ability to punch in while rolling---Fuji does, and it's great!
The S1h May 25th RAW firmware update, will apparently address the noise reduction ghosting. They will enable a -1 level. Which should be "off".
Maybe it has less noise reduction values than the S1...it can be that they added the -1 to match the look with the S1
Dude your the only one that down plays the s1h it the best video NOT STILL camera. If not why does every one else encluding Netflix Prasad the video capability....I was set to buy the h but listing to you I should run out an get sony aIII A7R4 or wait the new sIii
DVX200 had the same problems with ghosting and this was completely removed by turning off the NR. It's surprising that this issue still affects Panasonic cameras given their attention to detail with all other aspects.
Finally, someone else mentions the focus peaking issue on S1.
i have same problem on gh5s. it would be amazing if Gerald did some test so panasonic could fix that. on my old gh4 peaking works flawlessly..
@@MarkoPejovic I can only compare it to my GH5, it looks amazing. I cant believe they shipped the peaking working so poorly for a camera that struggles with AF.
Got a question I haven’t been able to find the answer to. When I used the s1h, when touching screen to focus, I then had to press the af button actually make it focus. Was there something wrong with the s1h I was using or a setting I missed? That isn’t the same behavior as the gh cameras, so I thought it was really weird.
Amazing video Gerald! When I made the choice to get the S1H over the S1, the 4k60 and HD120 10-bit options were the main reasons. I don't like shooting V-log in 8-bit as I get varied results, and as a documentary shooter it's hard to expose every shot perfectly. Having 10-bit for all shooting modes allows me to shoot in V-log all the time for my shooting situations and speeds up my workflow a lot. Also coming from the GH4 and GH5s, the articulating screen was something I didn't want to lose. Sometimes I'm filming in such a tight spot that I have to move my screen in a very awkward position just to get the shot. Without an articulating screen, this isn't possible.
its not , you can use a mirror , infect a mirror is in my kit , because when i shoot with on camera flash , and want to bounce it i use a mirror and its much easier then grabbing the bag , setting up commander , stand , the flash , get it all to work and then shoot , sometimes there is no time for that , so i use a mirror or a mirror like surface . I also cut off one LED light bulb plastic cover , its round and i cut it off put it on flash as a disperser , there are also flashes that can be purchased like this , but most are branded and expensive , and no one is paying me to work . I already lost half of my lenses , they broke , and if someone doesn't pay something they will not get the images , and maybe then they will realize something they got for free , is not free , gear brakes , even if you do it for family like i do . My friend has a flash for his crop Nikon body , and it has a round disperser on top , makes a lot of difference but he is payed but the local governor , to take pictures of him for media . so he got 400$ flash for nothing , i on the other hand use a mirror , and a cut of light bulb disperser .Point being , there is always a way .
Amazing and very precise comparision. It is hard to find such a high quality comparision videos on yt. Great job Gerald ! :)
Wow, what an awesome video. Really went through it all. Thanks 😊
I swear if the 6k bmpcc had amazing autofocus, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Gerald, really appreciate the in depth comparison and honest look at things! I actually just bought the S1H a week ago as an upgrade from my GH5! I think the S1H does a great job of having everything one would need to just pick it up and film without adding extra accessories.
is there Aputure DEC Vari-ND Wireless Lens Adapter for this camera ?
love the video Gerald great work ! basically the S1 is a bigger full frame G9 and the S1H is a bigger full frame GH5s
Andy Salinas then i am waiting for ver.2 firmware for S1
Man this video was amazing and has convinced me that my A7III may not be around much longer lol. But in other news that guy @11:18 almost got whacked!!!!
The A7III is an amazing camera, don't play the camera manufacturers game to jump from brand to brand...
ua-cam.com/video/xDjLHiiatUA/v-deo.html this just looks like a scene from a movie
which lens did he use???
I'm Gerald Undone and the sixth sick sheik's sixth sheep's sick.
How many times did you practice that tongue-twister off camera?
Excellent comparison, as always. Thanks Gerald!
I went ahead and ordered the S1H in the end, since I wanted the more compact option of having the flip out screen without always needing the Ninja V. And the firmware update for the S1H has just come out fixing thr noise reduction issue, and adding raw. Hi from Australia. Solid video. Huge Fan.
Has this been confirmed, the total fixing of the noise ghosting/compression?
@@jasonnowwhat5041 yes it's foxed
I'm not going to blame Denise. Sold on S1H but I'm going to stick to my GH5..
still a great camera and V-log L doesn't have any of these issues mentioned on the GH5.
@@DennisSchmitz Yes very true. I love this camera. The main reason I'm not willing to switch is because I'm still not in a condition to use 4k on a daily basis because I don't have a system powerful enough to render (i5 2nd gen gt 1030) content on a daily basis. Not to mention it takes more space and storage is a big concern too..😅
@@einstankan then it makes even more sense. 1080p on both the S1 and S1H is quite bad.
This is a great video been scared of the s1 for a while now.... I think I am going to pull the plug
Go for it if you can, it's a fantastic camera!
Dennis my guy! 😊
If Chris Pratt and Dane Cook had a baby it would be Gerald.
Killer video as always my man! Your ability to convey vast multitudes of technical data in an efficient and intelligible manner continues to astound, entertain, and inform me.
Great comparison as always Gerald!
If I weren’t so invested in anamorphic glass the s1 would have been ok. But being an anamorphoholic the s1h seems like the best upgrade from the gh5.
Stay safe guys ✌🏽
I'm late to the party here as I stumbled across this video looking for something else. Nice video and glad the ghosting issue had a fix :)
There's one point I want to clarify. Since the introduction of Dual Native ISO by Panasonic in 2014, I've spent a bit of time with the Pana engineers and got a lot of early hands on with their cinema cameras. Lets put aside the ISO variance in this video as to noise as we all now the S1H was updated. The test included here to compare the noise of both at different ISO's is an apples to apples test, whereby both are operated the exact same way. Understandable. However the S1H has another option. So dual native ISO is present on the S1 and S1H, but it works differently on both models.
Let's assume Vlog setting for all the below.
On the S1, as you dial the ISO up (gain up) it auto switches from the low to high iso setting at ISO4000. Yes, we are all familiar with that.
The S1H works differently. Whilst there's an auto setting that will make your camera work like the S1, I'd never recommend using it. On the S1H low setting base you can gain up from 640 to 5000ISO. Then in High base setting you can gain up from 4000 base to 51200 ISO. The important difference here is that on the High base ISO setting you can also gain down. Set your base to High (4000iso) and then gain down to 2000ISO for example. What you're actually doing here is reducing the SNR i.e. there's less noise.
This is easy to compare for anyone who owns an S1H. Set ISO at low base and gain up to 2000ISO and record. Set ISO High base and and gain down to 2000ISO and record. View them on a 4K monitor side by side. The result is a cleaner image. This is also how the Varicam35, LT and EVA1 work, but again not how the S1 works. There is a clear advantage to doing it this way.
Anyway, just thought I'd clarify that.
This is the first I have heard of the ghosting issue being fixed. Got any information on that or do you just know because you have it?
If I remember that last firmware didn’t mention it but perhaps I missed it.
@@colinthomas2525 Colin it was a very old issue fixed by firmware long ago on the S1H.
@@NoelCJEvans thanks for the info
Folks might think I'm crazy, but I got just as nice images from my XT3. In some cases even nicer. But yeah, these S1 cameras are great.
I really love your videos ....but the ending with slowing down to 75% making me feel stupid and uncomfortable....i understand 99% (I am not a native english speaker). My image of you as a "camera superhero" as I called you while ago has because of this changed to not clicking on your videos. Is probably just some kind of psychological shit in my head but maybe you losing 0.00000001% of viewers....which is not necessary.
Peace
It's not a joke about you, it's a joke that I talk too fast. I can't help it, I just always talk that way.
Hi Gerald ... have you done any videos on the EVA1?? I just love the way you explain things ... you make understanding the most technically difficult explanations - SIMPLE!
Well that was some great info. Bravo man.