10 BIG Differences Between the S1H and S5
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- These are 10 big differences between the Panasonic S1H and Panasonic S5. They are both great mirrorless cameras, but a lot of people don't really know which camera they should go with. In this video we talk about some differences that may sway you to one camera over the other.
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0:00 Intro
1:10 Difference 1
3:27 Difference 2
5:13 Difference 3
6:04 Difference 4
6:33 Difference 5
7:14 Difference 6
8:17 Difference 7
9:17 Difference 8
10:10 Difference 9
10:41 Difference 10
11:31 Outro
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Need to clarify something at 7:28. I think I'm crazy or something because I've covered loop recording on a video before, but loop recording will continuously record on 1 card until you stop recording. Even if the card fills up it will overwrite what you have recorded. This is useful if you are recording something that is unpredictable like wildlife and don't want to miss the shot. No idea why I changed my mind.
IBIS- S1H is 6.5 stops; S5 is 5.5 stops. I have and use both. The diff is negligible. I do handheld with both. Love the S5
Have you found that you turn the stabilization off??? I can't decide if the jitters it takes out is worth the aliasing that is created by the stabilization???
One of the best feature comparisons between the two that I have seen so far!👏🏾🙏🏾
Appreciate the support🙏
Made me feel better about my S1H purchase haha love this channel dude!
Glad it did! It’s a tough decision, but it definitely still has its advantages. The S1H is Netflix approved as well if that means anything. The S5 most likely won’t get that. Appreciate the support 🙏
Great comparison video, Just bought the S1H out of the new great options, really happy with the decision
Thank you 🙏. I love it
Great job on this video Dustin. Keep up the good content. Be sure to make an update if the auto-focus is improved again in the firmware updates.
Appreciate the support 🙏 oh for sure I will make an update of another one comes
Team S1H, i am so glad i have it.
Same here 👍
Same here
This might be the best lighting I have seen on a tech video.
That's what I said! Any tips, Dustin?
Ummmm I'm not really sure haha. The best tip I can give is you don't need expensive lights to get good lighting
Very informative video! Thank you
Appreciate the view 🙏
The s5 works. We need to understand that its meant to be a hybrid competitor to the a7iii, and eos R. S1H and S5 serves a different target audience. That said, it's gonna be able to get the job done. Only depends on what you need for the job
These are good points👍
"S1H and S5 serves a different target audience". Could you explain more pls i struggle to understand why the s1h is double the price of the s5. need a new cam i broke my gh5 and i'm tired about micro 4/3 and low light conditions.
@@chokedboy hmmm I think you just gotta ask yourself what features you currently need in your line of work. The big reasons why S1H cost that much is mainly due to the camera being centred on a video/cinema centric camera. Better ergonomics, better EVF resolution, no weird record limitations on different resolutions, and higher data rates for video. I can’t say for sure that S5 would be the best choice for you without knowing what you need. But for me, S5 just works because I do both photo and video. I struggle with the EVF a lot of times tho, I almost exclusively use the screen to take pictures now haha
Many thanks, I have been using Canon for the past 7 years, considering very much moving into Sony gear, but now I am very impressed with Lumix come back... color and stabilization looks amazing, still worried about the auto focus though... I hope they improve it with firmware upgrades! Said that, I would love to get an S5, at the moment it seems to be the best cost/benefit ratio of the market. Congrats on the video, it was very helpful!
Autofocus is secondary issue. I bought canon 90D year ago, when friends recommended to buy GH5 to get 10bit video. Now I regret that I falled into autofocus trap.
Man. If you shooting behind the camera, and can always confirm autofocus it works good! That cameras worth it! I'm switching to s1h in couple of weeks. I chose between s1h and canon r6, and my choice is clearly s1h. That's the best camera with best specs on the market for its price. Besides the autofocus but it is good enough if you can see and control it.
Always enjoy watching your videos. Currently I'm a sony user and I'm thinking of switching to panasonic s1h. Coming from a sony user, how do you find the auto focus on the s1h compared to the sony? I'm using the a9ii mostly for stills, I know the s1h can't compare, but if I switch, I want to trust that the AF on the s1h won't let me down for tracking. And with the updated firmware for the s1h, whats the AF like now for video? Is it the same as the sun? Cheers
Here’s what I’ll say. I was a Sony user as well and had hopes the autofocus would be decent for video. But was pretty disappointed when I got it. It was fine though because I was ready to shoot manual if needed. I’ve heard with the new update if you’re shooting at super35, it’s much better. But if you’re not, I made a video testing it and it’s not much different than before. I can’t really say how the Focus is for photos but I’ve heard it’s pretty good. I won’t lie, coming from Sony and switching to Panasonic, I prefer Panasonic over Sony. That’s just me though
Good stuff. Thanks Dustin!
No thank you for watching
Yes! Low pass filter test plz. Nobody has made one. I don’t have a S1H, but compared to Eva 1, I do notice trees and plants being too “crispy” on s5. Haven’t see any significant moire yet on s5. Like the crazy ones we used to see on 5D mk2 back in the days
If I can get my hands on another S5 I will
Amazing comparison! Are there any differences in autofocus capabilities?
They're the same
Sirui's recent announcement of Full Frame Anamorphic lens lead me here. I think if sirui expands their full frame lenses like their current MFT versions, S1H will be a better choice in future than GH5 II for anamorphic productions on low budget.
Thank you for breaking it down easily
You know me!
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I have both cameras and loved them both. They have different uses for sure. For me one of the deciding factors that people should pay attention to is the limited vs unlimited recording in 4K. S1H unlimited; S5 is 30 min. In 1080, S5 is unlimited.
Yeah I mentioned unlimited recording as number 10
Has the S1H given you any problems recording in 6k internal with SDCX cards?
@@lapinchetele Nope, not at all. Editing on computer is a little slow unless i build proxies. However, i do not use it that often. Don't have a need for 6k. The 5.7k/5.8k range in general is enough IF I'm trying to do OpenGate (multi-aspect ratio) clips. Usually 4k is plenty.
@@ToddWhiteStudios And in 4k you didnt had any problem?
@@lapinchetele Nope. NOTE: I'm using V90 Cine cards that are 300/260 read/write speeds.
A perfect review !
Love the lighting on the background! How strong was your key light in this video?
I'm using a ring light that's just pointed at the wall at almost full brightness to give me a nice big soft light
@@DustinArmstrongPro cool! I'm guessing you did a bit of grading in post to achieve this look?
Yes I did
Panasonic S1 seems to be the sweet spot between the Panasonic S5 and Panasonic S1H especially a second hand Panasonic S1 with all the updates
Great review bro! It's been a minute and I'm glad to see your channel has grown! The S1H is definitely suited to the video pro and S5 to the beginner/intermediate user. Even simply from the price tag perspective of the S1H as it would be a hefty investment. I love mine and would not replace it with an S5 in regards to my needs
Appreciate it🙏 It is growing yes. I agree though
Do you meen Genlock or just timecode ? Otherwice you can use one of the sound chanels on the S5.
Great Video I learned A lot About Some Features I didn't know the S1h even had. a few things to point out the S5 does have loop recording but its called "relay record" under slot function(this only records on the next card available but doesn't overwrite it). it also has varicam menu as well. unlimited recording can be done in 10 bit 1080p until 4k which is capped at 30mins. The S5 also has internal 6k 30fps 10 bit via 6k photo mode but thats all you're getting 6k wise unless you have the Ninja V. I believe the external timecode part is only via hdmi tho. For me if the S5 could get the S1Hs All-I Codecs that would be Amazing. btw are you working on another project with the S1H if so I Cant Wait To See It.
So loop recording is actually different than relay record. Although by mistake for some reason I explained relay record (see my pinned comment) watch my video 10 settings the S1H has other cameras don’t and I explain loop recording correctly. How do you bring up the Varicam menu? You can do external timecode with a ninja V and AtomX sync but those are additional accessories you have to buy. You can’t do it like the S1H. All-I probably won’t be added. In most cases it’s not needed and is a big advantage to the S1H as well as a true 24 FPS mode. Plenty more on the S1H to come. Maybe even more than just that🤔🤫
I was curious about ALL-I recording too--that was a big differentiating factor for me but isn't really mentioned in a lot of comparisons btwn s5 and s1h, including this one. Unless I missed it, which is possible! 🤔😅
@@cinema-q When I mention codecs I mean the S5 is missing ALL-I, but I don't specifically say it's missing ALL-I. So technically you didn't miss anything. I probably should have been more specific haha
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Has the S1H given you any problems recording in 6k internal with SDCX cards?
Crazy, since this video Panasonic announced a firmware update coming to their cameras, making the S1 a more obvious choice as a B cam for the S1H.
Shooting file can separate make S1H will be the most safe camera, and internal 6K shooting both are good point make me choose S1H over than S5.
Thought I would ask here if anyone is using the Lumix RAW to an Atomos Ninja V on an S1h (or even the S5). I was so excited to try this on the S1h, but the lag is making it nearly useless for me. Am I doing something wrong? I mean, it's fine if you are not trying to pull focus, but we are working with Lumix here, and for many reasons need to be able to pull focus. For a feature I was so excited about, I'm left very frustrated. Thanks!
Sounds you explained how you feel about the slip vs Tilt Screen Backwards and Fast,, So im not Clear On What You Meant & Or Favored Most? hard to go back To WHICH? PLEASE Explain? and Which Type You Prefer BEST :-)
(( For Most And Speaking for Myself,, the 360 Flip is Best & eventually will make it onto Most Main Bands
Watch the video again. The S1H has a tilt and flip screen. The S5 can tilt but only by articulating the screen out. The S1H can tilt without flipping the screen out. I prefer the S1H version.
At keynote speeches, I have 2 x S5’s, a Gh5, a gopro and a Zoom f6 audio recoder. I can wirelessly timecode sync all of that with the Atom SYNC modules attached to ATOMOS NINJA V’s, plus a Timecode Systems Syncbac on the GoPro and the Bluetooth receiver accessory on the F6. You assign one NINJA V as the master T/C generator and everything else slaves off it via Bluetooth. You use a menu on the master T/c NINJA V to find and pair all the devices. It’s fast and seamless to set up and super useful. No S1H sync port needed. Did I mention I’m on team S5?
Totally I wasn't saying there wasn't a way to sync timecode, just that you don't have to buy anything else to sync externally. The AtomX Sync modules with the Ninja V are a great solution though
So being BT based is range and/or signal interference ever an issue.
@@Docfly62 so far, no. The furthest I’ve had everyting separated so far is around 30 metres, inside a crowded space, no doubt with loads of RF flying around and nothing has missed a beat. Only downside is you’re wedded to the ATOMOS/ Timecode Systems ecosystem. You can’t tack on any Tentacle Sync kit for example. They don’t talk.
Hey Dustin. What SD Card are you using with your S1H? For 6k 25p and 4K 50p 10bit it’s recommended to get V60? Or V30 could be ok or even V90 for some reason. I am getting S1H now and already had problem with my S1 with V30 SanDisk 6k 25p made .mdt file.. could be other reason but asking those who really use that camera. What do you think?
I use ProMaster. There's a link in my bio. I recommend V60 minimum but V90 is definitely recommended.
@@DustinArmstrongPro ok, so if I don’t need All-I Codec then V60 is ok or better to get V90?
That's a good assumption yes. Possible a V90 would be better for 6k as well, but V60 might be fine. Haven't really tested since all my cards are V90
@@DustinArmstrongPro Ok, thanks! ;)
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Stop being CHEAP!!
Hi Dustin, my s5 have a VarioCam Display with all the settings. In the German manual is the page 67.
By the way, i like your videos 👍
Interesting. It’s in the manual but does the camera bring up the menu?
@@DustinArmstrongPro yes mine shure. Just press the Disp button
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That's not the varicam menu. If you watch the video again, they are completely different
You can choose in between 1 goes to the other when filled up or an back up recording.
感謝大師的分析
谢谢
@@DustinArmstrongPro 希望有機會來台灣玩
我們好好接待您
Hi Dustin,
Greetings from Singapore again. Need your advise.
Basically, I own a S1H, GH5 & GH5s for video production for the longest time. I shoot mainly corporate videos and interviews, social media TVCs etc
2 days ago, I sold my GH5s(for no apparent reason) as the GH6 is supposed to be launched end of this year. Thought that ill sell it before the value of the GH5s drops further.
Currently, having 2 cameras works for me just as long as I dont need a 3rd cam or if suddenly 1 cam decides to breakdown on me. I still got my old GH4 and Nikon D850 if i ever need a 3rd cam for the time being.
But I'm feeling itchy and thought of getting the S5. I found a 8 months old S5(with warranty) selling for about USD1350.00 and I thought it is a pretty good buy.
But im at a cross road as I feel that I'll won't keep the S5 for long. And as soon as the S1H mk ii is out, ill discard the S5. Maybe.
Also, I thinking of the GH6 and hoping it to be a lot better than GH5, with 6K 50p recording without crop etc.
I do like to have both m/43 & FF cameras as they are suited for different needs; e.g. I prefer m4/3 on gimbals and handheld shots. More depth of field and better ibis.
I have quite a few lens for both system.
FF lens
Sigma Arts 12-24mm f2.8 L mount
Sigma Arts 35mm f1.2 L mount
Panasonic Leica 24-70 f2.8
Sigma Arts 85mm f1.4
Panasonic Leica 70-200 f4
Aside to the above, I have a full range of Nikon F mount lens with Metabones adapter.
M4/3 native lens
Lumix 7-14mm f4
Lumix 10-25mm f1.7
Lumix 12-60mm f2.8-4
Lumix 42.5mm f1.7
Lumix 70-200mm f2.8
And as before, I do have Metabones speedbooster for Nikon F lens to m4/3.
So, do you think I should just:
1) Get the S5 1st and see what happens?
2) Wait for the GH6
3) Wait for the S1H mkii
4) Get rid of all the m4/3 system and go ff all the way?
What are your thoughts on this? Looking forward to hear from you.
Or get a used S1 instead of a S5?
For sure. Biggest problem of S5 it’s a 30 min limit in 4K 25fps 10bit. When they will take off that limit we will get for b cam because of the size :)
What is your experience with fan noise on the S1H? Is it audible in recordings?
Never have heard it even when it's hot
@@DustinArmstrongPro awesome. Glad it’s not like a gaming laptop fan
The S1 with the new update coming up in april would be the best one of all tho, yeah? price/features range
Definitely a great value yes
Does the image of the s5 look the same as the s1h ? Or is their a noticeable difference?
Not super noticeable. Both have great images
How are their low light capabilities in comparison to one another at ISO's like 25,600 etc?
Good question. Would be a good test. I would say the S1H might be slightly better depending on what codec you're using. But if you're using the same codec probably isn't a difference
Team S1H all the way! Love this camera so much.
100%
The low pass filter point. Because the S5 is a true hybrid camera, having no low pass filter is wonderful for photos and their sharpness. The S1H being more videos/cinema focused does need one per your example of moire. And even though we can take great photos, that’s not his primary focus. Being a videographer and photographer, it’s nice not to have the low pass filter on the S5. TheS 1 does not have one either.
You can se moost of your settings by tapping the buttons on the side of the screen.
Thanks for this comparison, it helped me choose S1h.
You didn't talk about having or not having built in ND, raw/log and adaptability to lens variety and mounts
With built in ND you'd lose IBIS. Raw I don't really care too much for. You can adapt EF and PL lenses via adapter
@@DustinArmstrongPro cool, thanks 👍🏽👍🏽 just already talking to the dealer, hopefully good price
S1H is a great camera😎
Aaaah Mate. The S5 is a beast! I love mine
They both are for sure!
Any issues with file corruption??? Do sandisk or only firmware 1.0 solve the issue???
I've only had 2 files go corrupt and they were brand new Sony cards. I returned them and used ProMaster ever since, haven't had any problems
You can run the "smaller" 4 k for ever but I do agree its a bommer, moore because it hasnt any heat problem for them who has tested it. I hoope they can release it by the firmware in the future with moore experiense.
At current UK street prices, the S5 is considerably less than half the cost of the S1H. Is the S5 less than half as capable?
I wouldn't say half as capable. It's pretty freakin cool
What camera did you use for this?
To film everything? Sony A7sIII
@@DustinArmstrongPro For you in studio footage.
Sony A7sIII
@@DustinArmstrongPro thanks.
Thanks for listing these differences but the latest firmware of S1 has made many of these differences redundant! For example the S1 now has 6k internal!
I'm not sure where you got this info, but I'm looking at the firmware update website and all I'm finding is 5.9k 12 bit RAW can be output over HDMI. Are you sure you're not thinking of the S1
@@DustinArmstrongPro My bad. I meant Panasonic S1. Will edit my comment after this apology!
Got it! Well this video is comparing the S5 and S1H not the S1. I am planning on doing a video on that though with the updated firmwares
@@DustinArmstrongPro Looking forward to that. Like you, I also invested in Sony right after college and it has taken me a long time to get good image out of Sony's mirrorless bodies. But, their cinema line is excellent. No problems there. I was an early adopter of their FS line. Very costly but served my needs beautifully. Thankfully, I have always shot on Vintage lenses or I would have been very depressed looking at all that expensive Sony glass lying in my closet!
Maybe i’m wrong, but i think Panasonic just released a software update and «fixed» a lot of the problems you talked about with the s5?
Some yes but not all. I don't own the S5 so I don't keep up with the firmware updates as much
For me it's the 60fps in 10 bit in the S1h. And the full size hdmi and unlimited recording
Is the image from the two cameras identical?
Almost. They're pretty close in my opinion
Hey, do you know you can control the camera with your phone to record? :D I know you know, but that argument that you could not reach the record button on the front... :D just made me smile.
It's true you can but It's not as convenient as just pressing the button though.
Probably already been said but I see this camera as a B cam if you already own an S1H. I have an S1H and two S5s and they work perfectly together.
Do you see a difference with the images though
Define b cam
Which ones more weather proof? I'll be needing something that's able to handle sea spray for open sea yachting once this virus thing settles down... Anyone?
I believe they both are but I do know the S1H is very weather sealed. They even gave it a freezing rating so it’ll work even in freezing temperatures
Nothing less than a sealed plastic housing will protect a camera from salt water.
People has been complaining about AF but they will be happy to buy bmpcc
That's an interesting point ha
People that want af will definitely not be purchasing a BMPCC. HAHAHHAA
I'd assume you use monitors for pro sets. If you were to connect both to a Ninja V, there literally is no difference as far as image quality goes, except the low pass filter. Both give you 5.9k 12bit RAW. There is also no recording limit with a monitor.
I'll remind you that we're comparing a camera with another camera which is less than half of the price of the first camera. That much extra money could be used on more important stuff such as lighting and lenses.
You can tell I prefer the S5 😅
True but one has to factor in the cost of the Ninjas, SSDs and batteries The 12 bit is impressive though and with the Pro Res RAW this is something to consider regardless of model
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I was about to go purchase the S5, until I saw the 30 minute limit to 4k. Look like I will sell my GH5 & add the S5 money to it.😂
I think you can shoot in 4K 8 bit but if you go to 10 bit it has a limit
Copy that, thanks for the reply.
If you buy an external recorder (either Atomos or Blackmagic), that eliminates the record limit as well.
Is it true that S1h has a record limit
No!
Definitely not a fair comparison. The s1h is their flagship full-frame camera. The S5 is their entry-level full-frame camera. The S5 will cover 95% of the filmmaker's needs and is geared towards a hybrid type of shooter who needs both professional stills and professional video. The S5 is actually better than the mid-tier S1, which would have been a better comparison.
For $1600 on sale, the S5 is the better choice, esp since lenses are expensive at the moment. Plus, vlog is preinstalled and you get 14stops of dynamic range in a body size smaller than the GH5. Also, most people will be shooting with vintage (softer lenses) and using black mist pro filters to take off the digital edge so the low pass filter thing really isn't an issue.
The biggest plus about the S1h is it's Netflix approved, but so is the MFT Lumix Bgh1 so I think only like the 1-2% of filmmakers need the s1h, because you'll need a $10k computer setup to handle enourmous 6k files.
People considering, just get the s5. Build your kit with lenses and when you grow with clients you can keep the s5 as a B camera and upgrade to a used S1h or s1h-2 when it comes out.
The comparison isn't meant to be fair. It's to point out what's different about them and then let people decide which one they need more. The 6k files aren't enormous and you don't need a 10k computer. The ALL-I files are much bigger and even those will playback better since they're ALL-I. Most people won't need everything on the S1H and yes the S1 or S5 is probably a better choice. But I don't have access to an S1 currently so I can't make a comparison. It feels like you may not have watched the full video or haven't watched some of my other videos because I have even said if the S5 came out before the S1H I would have gotten it and would probably go with it over the S1H or I would buy a used S1H.
I don't think it takes a $10k setup to work with 6k files. My computer was only about $800 (after purchasing the parts separately), and I was able to color grade 6k R3D files with DaVinci Resolve with no problem.
Panasonic s1h video 4K 50p crop ?
There is a crop yes
@@DustinArmstrongPro thank you👋
Wait, the S5 seriously can't shoot open gate 5.7K internally 4:3 anamorphic, even though the older GH5 was capable of doing that, with unlimited recording time no less? I was really hoping to upgrade from the GH5 to the S5 instead of going with the GH6.
What did you end up with? I'm also trying to upgrade from my gh5
@@diceflawless9115 I switched to the S5 and am generally happy with the purchase. Not sure if the S5MII has open gate mode or not. To tell you the truth, I haven't even checked if there was a way to record a larger format through the Ronin Ninja V yet.
You miss one main difference , Price of the camera.
that intro though....
🙏
we dont have that problem with 25 and 50 fps. Ok 25 isn't 24 but it's damn close
That's actually a little secret I learned. You can switch to pal and shoot at 50fps
The thing is, you are comparing a cheap camera to a fairly expensive camera. The cheap one will obviously not meet your professional expectations. However, I do believe that the S5 is a very capable camera.
Honestly, the S5 definitely meets probably 90% of anybodys professional needs. But if you need ALL-I codecs, true 24 FPS, and external timecode, then yes it won't meet your needs
S5 price got me
It's worth a lot less now too
More and more to be professional you need a tool box of tools, not just one tool does it all.
you scare me bro
I scare myself sometimes