I've given up on the structure of college football. As long as it's chasing money it will never be stable, there will be major changes every other year. Tradition is over.
College Football has never been more popular and it keeps growing every year. The 2 most valuable conferences are just preparing for the inevitability of paying their players and it's not their obligation to take care of the programs that can't afford to compete with them.
@@haroldflashman4687 The poor schools can easily afford their football programs, because they are profitable enough to pay for themselves, but they don't have to watch their players get destroyed in the most difficult league against big brands that have 10x the revenue they do.
Nothing sad about it. It was a much needed correction. Far too many small schools (and the number is growing) were (and still are) leeching off big ones. It’s about time the big schools started getting a bigger piece of the pie.
Sad that the money that has been driving and dictating the sport is now all out in the open? That it's public that the small programs never had a seat at the table to begin with? That the hypocrisy of academia is being exposed for having leeched off its "students athletes" despite calling themselves institutions of higher education?
@@haroldflashman4687 I thought dudes named Harold were nice and nerdy, wear colored socks with shorts, etc., not mean douchebags like you, is your name even Harold?
The SEC and B1G need to breakaway. The NCAA is broken beyond repair. The only way college football can be saved at this point is the super leagues take control. It may suck for some schools short term but it is what is best long term.
If the SEC and Big Ten actually think the 60-70% of college football fans they alienate would continue to follow them if they were to form their own playoff they've got a rude awakening ahead of them. Not only would it ruin college football altogether, but it would cut their own viewership by a good margin. College football has become so huge because all these fans (including G5 schools) all feel like they have a stake in it. Those fans are a chunk of who watches Big Ten and SEC fans. But if they alienate those fans than their value outside of the midwest and southeast ain't gonna be what it is now. And if they continue to threaten to leave then just let them go -- they will eventually anyway so might as well get it over with and let the ACC and Big 12 work with the G5 to form a general college league and keep the Big Dance for themselves. Greg Sankey has single handedly ruined what used to be a great thing and he's on the verge of letting his own greed ruin the good thing he has .
No, Greg Sanky did not have college football as a whole in mind during these playoff discussions. At that point he had already poached UT and OU and was already trying to reconfigure college football into what it is now.
The Alliance died when USC decided that even the proposed scheduling agreement would not be enough to save the PAC and decided to leave for the B1G. Among several, a PAC mistake was not treating keepin USC+X a lost coause and preemptively backfilling from the top of the then BIG12, BYU, etc.
Who knows whether or not if Sankey should have made his stance sooner. But regardless, I think more positives will come out of this in the near future. And if there is a separation of the lower tier programs from the major cardholders, I mean it may be the best thing for a Wyoming, Oregon St. They would compete with teams more in line with their level of production. And I think fans of the smaller programs would be more interested is seeing their team, like a Missouri State vs Vanderbilt, or Temple vs Wake Forest. I may be wrong, and this is just an opinion. But competition with Ohio St, Georgia, Michigan, Bama, etc just ain't cutting it.
@@robertstuart480There's a chance the G5 would merge with the top FCS conferences or individual schools (think MVC, Big Sky, CAA/SOCON) considering the athletic budgets are not that large in difference and it gives the divion a chance to have national coverage.
This would only have delayed the current landscape. Anyone actually believe that FSU would want to remain in the ACC. Would USC have stayed? Half the time you want the B10 and SEC to get to the end game now. The other half you're trying to delay certain things from taking place. Only thing that might have prevented the B10 from taking USC would have been the SEC not taking Texas. The only thing that would have prevented Texas from leaving would have been extremely unequal revenue sharing. This was always going to happen.
The Big 12 made a mistake by not offering OUT higher revenue shares back in 2020 when Bowlsby floated the idea of GoR extension so he could start negotiating a new media deal for the Big 12. Of course ESPN made it clear that they weren’t interested in negotiating a new deal or renegotiating the current deal. But still having OUT locked up would have made future media negotiations a lot stronger.
The current realignment was set off by the Supreme Court ruling against the NCAA and universities by allowing the players to finally get paid. The valuable schools consolidating is the natural process because they are preparing for the inevitability of paying their players, while having enough left over to pay for their non-revenue generating sports. Although It's not the athletes, from the revenue generating sports, obligation to pay for them. So that will most likely eventually be chipped away at. The big schools make enough from tuition and research to pay for them.
@@TheJasonJackson84 I get nothing from my school getting more money. But I still want it to get as much as possible. I dont want my schools brand value to subsidize a bunch of small programs.
@@roris5882The research funds aren't paying for the athletics, they are mutually exclusive, including from a legal standpoint. Student fees (some explicit/some not within tuitions), the fan generated athletics revenues (gate, merch, ad sales, media, etc.) and donors are paying or will pay for the athletes.
The in-house fighting of Bob Bowlsby and Texas and Oklahoma caused all of this. During that time, everyone had a media deal, good/bad, but Texas beef with big 12 which led to OU and Texas going to the SEC. That impact was felt all around the country because it made thr SEC more powerful. The Alliance was made to promote healthy competition, but UCLA and USC had money problems. After seeing the SEC go all in with ESPN, Texas and OU went for the money. USC and UCLA pulled a move also because of it's conference instability. Moral of the story, all this happen because the Big 12 was fighting it's own members.😂
Excellent analogy of the truth. I’ll also put in Notre Dame the blame as well for sinking the Big East and having the ACC go on that same route. To all Big 12 fandom I’m sorry they never was and never will be the Big Ten so stop all the hate, shade and blame you guys throw over to the Big Ten. I actually like a lot of Big 12 (esp the old Big 8 & some SWC) schools but the fan base can be a tad delirious.
@goblue636 I'm a Big10 supporter all day. I listened in and couldn't believe they were saying Kevin Warren was to blame. The big12 was to blame. Bad media deals. Bad tv ratings. Poor commissioner led to in house fighting. Remember, Nebraska, TAMU, Missouri, and Colorado left the Big12 too. Then Texas and Oklahoma. 6 schools left the conference because it couldn't agree on things. But they worried about the Alliance....smh.
Until Brett Yormark took over the Big12 the entire purpose of the existence of the conference had been to provide UT with exactly what they wanted, when they wanted it. UT continued to make bad decisions for the conference that drove away Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and A&M and then refused to add BYU when they knew they would add value to the league.
@@michaeldavis2966any schools the big 12 could add was useless and TX knew it. It was all about big schools, big brands, and big money. Separation between the sec and big 12 just got bigger and bigger. All other big 12 schools would jump at the chance to go to the SEC today.
One good thing about packing all the money programs into three conferences is that they can then more easily work together to eliminate 90% of the problem created by the transfer portal. SEC already started working on this by making a rule their schools aren't allowded to use players transferring from other SEC schools without the sit-out period. If they can get the B1G and Big 12 to make a reciprical agreement then that basically restores status quo pre-2019 because its not like FCS schools are gonna be able to poach top tier talent from money schools.
I didn't realize the SEC made that rule -- the Big Ten and Big 12 are crazy if they don't implement the same thing. In fact the Big 12 and ACC should implement it against SEC and Big Ten schools since their grand scheme is to use their money to make the ACC and Big 12 feeder leagues.
Please stop blaming ex B10 Kevin Warren. The P5 commissioners were hired to work at the behest of the teams in their conference. Jim Phillips and George K are their own men. They made their decision...not Kevin Warren.
SEC and B1G, Don't let the door hit you on the way out! The rest of the leagues will have a better chance at making the college football championship with ya'all gone!
Let'em go. Never play them in any sport ever again. There was never a moment for Sankey. There was a plan to frustrate people to walk away and now they have cover..hey we tried but you forced my hand. I'm calling BS.
The poor schools will be better off competing in their own league against schools with similar resources. Then they can actually have a realistic opportunity to compete for a championship, instead of begging the big brands to sacrifice their players to fund their program.
I don’t think you would like a world without those 2 conference. Rabid fans would remain loyal but the average fan would gravitate to the SEC/BIG schools and media/sponsors would follow. You would wake up and Baylor would be on the same level as INT
@@dg1019 what would the world look like if you let em go? The world would tune in for the power to championship and ignore the rest and essence you would be getting scraps.
just get Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama and Georgia and have a super duper league where they play the other 3 teams 4 times each, super duper duper league
I say get Norte Dame Florida St Clemson Miami North Carolina Virginia Tech. The Super conferences split from the rest of College Football and don't look back!!
@@robertstuart480 Can you please link to an article where a representative from either conference complained about not making enough money? You can't, because it has never happened. But every time I try to enjoy some football content on this channel, I'm met with 3 grown man-babies crying about realignment, or rule changes, or any other change that's made to college football. It's nauseating
Cool, they can go form their own tournaments for all other sports as well.
Okay. 😂
That's the flex the others aren't using. And yes, they will lose viewership even in football if there is a separation
That's the plan, they will soon have all the best players and programs.
@@roris5882
Good luck when half your viewership drops out.
Okay
I've given up on the structure of college football. As long as it's chasing money it will never be stable, there will be major changes every other year. Tradition is over.
And exactly what tradition would that be? The tradition where small programs need to be subsidized by big ones?
College Football has never been more popular and it keeps growing every year. The 2 most valuable conferences are just preparing for the inevitability of paying their players and it's not their obligation to take care of the programs that can't afford to compete with them.
@@roris5882 bingo! Programs that can’t make it on their own should perhaps reconsider their decision to field football teams and athletics in general.
@@haroldflashman4687 The poor schools can easily afford their football programs, because they are profitable enough to pay for themselves, but they don't have to watch their players get destroyed in the most difficult league against big brands that have 10x the revenue they do.
Major college football*. We still have the FCS, D2, D3, NAIA, etc.
Sad what has happened to college football.
Nothing sad about it. It was a much needed correction. Far too many small schools (and the number is growing) were (and still are) leeching off big ones. It’s about time the big schools started getting a bigger piece of the pie.
Why, it's ridiculous to have 130+ teams in the same league because the big brands have nothing in common with the tiny schools?
Sad that the money that has been driving and dictating the sport is now all out in the open? That it's public that the small programs never had a seat at the table to begin with? That the hypocrisy of academia is being exposed for having leeched off its "students athletes" despite calling themselves institutions of higher education?
@@haroldflashman4687 I thought dudes named Harold were nice and nerdy, wear colored socks with shorts, etc., not mean douchebags like you, is your name even Harold?
The SEC and B1G need to breakaway. The NCAA is broken beyond repair. The only way college football can be saved at this point is the super leagues take control. It may suck for some schools short term but it is what is best long term.
If the SEC and Big Ten actually think the 60-70% of college football fans they alienate would continue to follow them if they were to form their own playoff they've got a rude awakening ahead of them. Not only would it ruin college football altogether, but it would cut their own viewership by a good margin. College football has become so huge because all these fans (including G5 schools) all feel like they have a stake in it. Those fans are a chunk of who watches Big Ten and SEC fans. But if they alienate those fans than their value outside of the midwest and southeast ain't gonna be what it is now. And if they continue to threaten to leave then just let them go -- they will eventually anyway so might as well get it over with and let the ACC and Big 12 work with the G5 to form a general college league and keep the Big Dance for themselves. Greg Sankey has single handedly ruined what used to be a great thing and he's on the verge of letting his own greed ruin the good thing he has .
No, Greg Sanky did not have college football as a whole in mind during these playoff discussions. At that point he had already poached UT and OU and was already trying to reconfigure college football into what it is now.
At this point, I just want the HUGEB1G and MEGASEC to just do it! Quit talking, and just do it.
The Alliance died when USC decided that even the proposed scheduling agreement would not be enough to save the PAC and decided to leave for the B1G. Among several, a PAC mistake was not treating keepin USC+X a lost coause and preemptively backfilling from the top of the then BIG12, BYU, etc.
Just let sec and big 10 play each other
Who knows whether or not if Sankey should have made his stance sooner. But regardless, I think more positives will come out of this in the near future. And if there is a separation of the lower tier programs from the major cardholders, I mean it may be the best thing for a Wyoming, Oregon St. They would compete with teams more in line with their level of production. And I think fans of the smaller programs would be more interested is seeing their team, like a Missouri State vs Vanderbilt, or Temple vs Wake Forest. I may be wrong, and this is just an opinion. But competition with Ohio St, Georgia, Michigan, Bama, etc just ain't cutting it.
Ultimately FBS IMO will break into 3 divisions. Div 1 : P2; Div 2: P2 & P3; Div 3 : G5. Each with own CFP.
So, D1 will be four divisions instead of just two.
@@robertstuart480There's a chance the G5 would merge with the top FCS conferences or individual schools (think MVC, Big Sky, CAA/SOCON) considering the athletic budgets are not that large in difference and it gives the divion a chance to have national coverage.
This would only have delayed the current landscape. Anyone actually believe that FSU would want to remain in the ACC. Would USC have stayed?
Half the time you want the B10 and SEC to get to the end game now.
The other half you're trying to delay certain things from taking place.
Only thing that might have prevented the B10 from taking USC would have been the SEC not taking Texas.
The only thing that would have prevented Texas from leaving would have been extremely unequal revenue sharing.
This was always going to happen.
The Big 12 made a mistake by not offering OUT higher revenue shares back in 2020 when Bowlsby floated the idea of GoR extension so he could start negotiating a new media deal for the Big 12.
Of course ESPN made it clear that they weren’t interested in negotiating a new deal or renegotiating the current deal. But still having OUT locked up would have made future media negotiations a lot stronger.
The current realignment was set off by the Supreme Court ruling against the NCAA and universities by allowing the players to finally get paid. The valuable schools consolidating is the natural process because they are preparing for the inevitability of paying their players, while having enough left over to pay for their non-revenue generating sports. Although It's not the athletes, from the revenue generating sports, obligation to pay for them. So that will most likely eventually be chipped away at. The big schools make enough from tuition and research to pay for them.
Since you 2, Harold & Roris, are getting more money now from the Big 10 and SEC let me borrow a couple hundred
@@TheJasonJackson84 I get nothing from my school getting more money. But I still want it to get as much as possible. I dont want my schools brand value to subsidize a bunch of small programs.
@@roris5882The research funds aren't paying for the athletics, they are mutually exclusive, including from a legal standpoint. Student fees (some explicit/some not within tuitions), the fan generated athletics revenues (gate, merch, ad sales, media, etc.) and donors are paying or will pay for the athletes.
The in-house fighting of Bob Bowlsby and Texas and Oklahoma caused all of this. During that time, everyone had a media deal, good/bad, but Texas beef with big 12 which led to OU and Texas going to the SEC. That impact was felt all around the country because it made thr SEC more powerful. The Alliance was made to promote healthy competition, but UCLA and USC had money problems. After seeing the SEC go all in with ESPN, Texas and OU went for the money. USC and UCLA pulled a move also because of it's conference instability. Moral of the story, all this happen because the Big 12 was fighting it's own members.😂
Excellent analogy of the truth. I’ll also put in Notre Dame the blame as well for sinking the Big East and having the ACC go on that same route. To all Big 12 fandom I’m sorry they never was and never will be the Big Ten so stop all the hate, shade and blame you guys throw over to the Big Ten. I actually like a lot of Big 12 (esp the old Big 8 & some SWC) schools but the fan base can be a tad delirious.
@goblue636 I'm a Big10 supporter all day. I listened in and couldn't believe they were saying Kevin Warren was to blame. The big12 was to blame. Bad media deals. Bad tv ratings. Poor commissioner led to in house fighting. Remember, Nebraska, TAMU, Missouri, and Colorado left the Big12 too. Then Texas and Oklahoma. 6 schools left the conference because it couldn't agree on things. But they worried about the Alliance....smh.
Until Brett Yormark took over the Big12 the entire purpose of the existence of the conference had been to provide UT with exactly what they wanted, when they wanted it. UT continued to make bad decisions for the conference that drove away Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and A&M and then refused to add BYU when they knew they would add value to the league.
@@michaeldavis2966any schools the big 12 could add was useless and TX knew it. It was all about big schools, big brands, and big money. Separation between the sec and big 12 just got bigger and bigger. All other big 12 schools would jump at the chance to go to the SEC today.
One good thing about packing all the money programs into three conferences is that they can then more easily work together to eliminate 90% of the problem created by the transfer portal. SEC already started working on this by making a rule their schools aren't allowded to use players transferring from other SEC schools without the sit-out period. If they can get the B1G and Big 12 to make a reciprical agreement then that basically restores status quo pre-2019 because its not like FCS schools are gonna be able to poach top tier talent from money schools.
I didn't realize the SEC made that rule -- the Big Ten and Big 12 are crazy if they don't implement the same thing. In fact the Big 12 and ACC should implement it against SEC and Big Ten schools since their grand scheme is to use their money to make the ACC and Big 12 feeder leagues.
We should have done this, the rest of these teams don’t bring home the bacon
14 million per school? We have that in our couch cushions here in Big Ten country.
Please stop blaming ex B10 Kevin Warren. The P5 commissioners were hired to work at the behest of the teams in their conference. Jim Phillips and George K are their own men. They made their decision...not Kevin Warren.
They can’t do this in basketball where the Big East has won 9 championships since 1999.
Both of them have so many teams now they could have their own playoff and their own championship every year.
Let them go! This is about college football not about 4or 5 teams in the SEC and B1G. The cockiness is off the charts ridiculousness
SEC and B1G, Don't let the door hit you on the way out! The rest of the leagues will have a better chance at making the college football championship with ya'all gone!
Let'em go. Never play them in any sport ever again. There was never a moment for Sankey. There was a plan to frustrate people to walk away and now they have cover..hey we tried but you forced my hand. I'm calling BS.
The poor schools will be better off competing in their own league against schools with similar resources. Then they can actually have a realistic opportunity to compete for a championship, instead of begging the big brands to sacrifice their players to fund their program.
After the P2 consolidate to ~24 each, how will a threat not to play them in any sport have any effect?
I don’t think you would like a world without those 2 conference. Rabid fans would remain loyal but the average fan would gravitate to the SEC/BIG schools and media/sponsors would follow. You would wake up and Baylor would be on the same level as INT
@@adamb6370 Table scraps forever, wow that's appealing. May as well just fold up the tent and shut down sports and all schools not P2.
@@dg1019 what would the world look like if you let em go? The world would tune in for the power to championship and ignore the rest and essence you would be getting scraps.
They can’t do it in basketball, baseball, hockey, etc. The Big East has won nine national championships in basketball since 1999.
just get Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama and Georgia and have a super duper league where they play the other 3 teams 4 times each, super duper duper league
That’s a great idea you know the viewership would break records on TV. Big12 is the reason why conference realignment started!!!
This officially kills this P4 nonsense that i hear on B12 message boards.
Its the P2... end of discussion
I say get Norte Dame Florida St Clemson Miami North Carolina Virginia Tech. The Super conferences split from the rest of College Football and don't look back!!
The sec and the big 10 can fight each other for their titles , does not concern me , I’m a fan of my team and they are not in those league’s.
It is called FAFO.
I used to enjoy watching this channel, but it’s devolved into incessant whining
I feel the same way about the SEC and B1G. Just constantly griping about wanting more money. And I say this as a fan of an SEC team.
cool story, goobledygook name guy
@@robertstuart480 Can you please link to an article where a representative from either conference complained about not making enough money? You can't, because it has never happened. But every time I try to enjoy some football content on this channel, I'm met with 3 grown man-babies crying about realignment, or rule changes, or any other change that's made to college football. It's nauseating