They have a new tv deal with their package with the MW right now but yeah, if they tried to rebuild the conference they would need to renegotiate and there’s no guarantee how good it would be especially since nobody wanted the old PAC12
In 2013, the American Athletic Conference (AAC) had SEVEN former Big East teams after the Big East collapse, with teams such as Louisville, Rutgers, Cincinatti, UCF etc. That's not even including the strong brands they added, like Memphis and Houston. They tried to label themselves as "Power 6," as they used to be in the BCS era. They still could never get it's autonomous status back. Why would Oregon St. and Washington St. think they have a better shot with fewer brands than seven brands & remnants of the old Big East to AAC?
Great video and breakdown. Truthfully I can see a scenario where the B1G adds FSU and Clemson to get to 20, the SEC only expands to 18 by grabbing North Carolina and Virginia, the Big 12 expands to 20 with Miami, Virginia Tech, North Carolina State and Louisville. Then the remaining ACC grabs UConn, Memphis, Tulane, USF, Oregon State, Washington State and San Diego State and remains a P4/A4 conference.
I think that is definitely a potential path and maybe even the most likely based on the mindset of the ACC leadership (not that it is the correct mindset as I argued in my recent video m.ua-cam.com/video/o93mRxhYEbo/v-deo.html) but they could potentially maintain their A4 status but it would be very, very tight and their tv marketability would plummet. The only way for them to maintain national relevance and ensure A4 status remains is to go grab national brand teams with with strong on field football success like Boise, Air Force, and maybe Fresno State in addition to the teams you listed. Boise is the only team with a brand large enough that comes anywhere close to the teams lost to help continue to draw in national interest from outside the conference.
@BroncoBleymaier That's true. The Big 12 pretty much stripped the G5 bare of national names that TV would pay for when they grabbed Cincinnati, BYU, Houston and UCF, and as a result eliminated any true non-P5/4 targets in the G5.
I saw stories a few months ago about the ACC vetting a bunch of AAC schools down to schools like East Carolina. I think they want to stay on the East coast but they also just added Stanford and Cal so idk
Thank you! Appreciate that! I have fun getting to talk about these things as they happen. Definitely an exciting time to have a college football UA-cam channel!
The reality is that Oregon St. and Washington St. aren't that far off from Mountain West brands already. They just need to accept their fate at this point it's inevitable.
Oregon State and Washington State are still holding out hope that they can get an invite into the ACC or possibly the Big 12. The ACC being the more likely landing spot. ESPN flat out told the ACC when they added stanford, Cal and SMU that ESPN would have preferred the ACC have added Oregon State and Washington State because they have superior football value. I'm also thinking that the reason they haven't merged yet is because their lawyers are trying to figure out how much they will owe with these lawsuits. How much of that $255 million war chest has to be saved to cover the lawsuits.
Why would a West Coast team want to be in an East Coast Conference…..better than nothing or the MW??? PAC 2 needs to fight for a West Coast Division of the Combined ACC/B12/Pac2…with three regional leagues…West/Central/East Competing against the Power 1/2…for TV and 24/7 … Coast to Coast coverage !! The cost of traveling to Miami and Syracuse is stupid! If 3/4 teams leave ACC …among FDU/NC/ND/Clem/Mia…what would ESPN or Notre Dame do( if they resist)…so a combo of the remnants would be required. Better fight for the combined strategy..or you will be left out!! Get with Yormack…ACC will play the hubris/ego route…same as PAC 12 did …letting Notre Dame and North Carolina leave you hanging…as UT/OU and USC/UCLA and AM/Ark., Neb/Missouri and Ore./ Wash. all did…did anyone learn anything from this ??
@@BroncoBleymaier yeah, but a conference built from the best MW and best AAC would be a better conference, and the conference champ would surely get the 5th AQ. Great video btw! Keep this kind of analysis coming. I'm here for Pac-12 rebuild content
Also, I think Gonzaga and St Mary's to beef up basketball. Hey, I wouldn't mind if they join the MW, but I suspect they get more money by staying Pac12 for the next two years
It's sad and depressing what has happened to the PAC. Great point Bronco on the MW being a true regional conference. I would happily accept OSU and WSU into our family... then I can drive 3 hours to watch Boise play in Pullman... little side bonus there.
This makes sense with the playoff expanding to 12 teams this year. The four remaining powerschools all get automatic bids and the top team from each of those four conferences are your 4 first round byes. And then the other eight teams play each other in the first round. It makes the math a lot easier for the expanded playoffs and makes it a lot more fair
There is a chance for OSU and WSU getting into the ACC because of Cal and Stanford. As a regional standpoint it benefits Cal and Stanford. I personally believe OSU and WSU will try to rejuvenate the PAC, but it could never get to its one great luster. As a USC fan I would have liked the PAC sticking together, but the PAC has been screwing USC over for so many years and that's why they left. If the MW wasn't so greedy they would have been a power conference right now. BYU, Utah, and TCU would have stayed. Then with Boise coming in, that would have been a dang good conference. The NCAA was actually looking at giving the MW the power status, then the conference got greedy by wanting to control the TV rights of all the programs. BYU, Utah, and TCU said no and they took off. Not going to lie, I am intrigued to see how Malachi Nelson does for your Broncos. Good QB right there.
Yes, Craig Thompson nearly destroyed this conference. Just the worst thing to ever happen to the MW. Glad Gloria Nevarez is in charge now and moving the MW finally forward. Cal and Stanford were added begrudgingly and the ACC isn’t looking to placate them by adding regional teams. I think in the backwards way of looking at team potential that those in power use UNLV and SDSU are better West Coast teams to add and with the correct way of looking at team value that I advocate for BSU and Fresno State are better picks. In either way I just don’t see OSU/WSU getting the call until the ACC has used up all East Coast options and potentially a couple of West Coast programs.
I highly doubt the view BSU & FSU over the Beavers & WSU. If the ACC drops more than the 2-3 teams (FSU, Clemson & UNC) the conference may implode. Losing FSU & Clemson alone will cause ESPN to renegotiate the contract. In order for OSU & WSU to decide to go to the ACC (if offered) I am certain the media deal would have to be around 20 million. The cost of travel would not be worth it. If the ACC loses FSU & Clemson their CFP money would drop off significantly since those two teams are the only ones that made it to the CFP this century. ACC CFP payouts would drop below the B12. The PAC2 lost their A5/4 status but still have the PAC12 assets. In order to keep those assets they cannot join another conference or those assets will be split between the original PAC12 teams. Those assets add up to about 275-280 mil right now. So I guess it is either ACC/B12 (very doubtful) but still possible, or rebuild the PAC12. How good can the PAC12 media deal be? We will see. OSU & WSU has pretty good viewership numbers over the last few years, WSU longer. So the PAC? isn't dead, lost some power. I know some of you think us Beaver & WSU fans live in ivory towers but that is a few, not the majority. I know some of BSU fans look down on some of your own conference mates, and some of your fellow conference member think BSU are arrogant and live in ivory towers. Some do & some don't. Look at it this way, if you were in OSU & WSU's positions, would you just give up and take the relegation without a fight for everything you could get? I doubt it. Just so you all know I am a long time Beaver fan, not alum cause I got my degree while serving in the military over seas. I DO look forward to building a new PAC12 conference with the MWC together in what ever form it takes. Best wishes & respect to BSU fans. I have met many of you at games in Corvallis, great people on most accounts. BTW,please forgive any missed grammatical & spelling errors. I had a few tonight.
Total assets should be 255 million between the two of them, which had $190 million in future earnings which future schools joining the conference would be entitled to unless they signed something to the contrary which I have no idea why they would, and $65 million from the departing schools which my understanding is regardless they get to keep. In either scenario they are having to split the $190 at least 12 ways (either between all departing members if they dissolve the conference or between 10 new members joining the conference) and OSU/WSU’s long term gains are the exact same. However, the longer they drag their feet the less the MW (their inevitable future home) gains from their presence and in the clash of conferences in college football the wheels of media bias turn quickly. If OSU/WSU join now they could ensure the MW is cemented as the top G5 conference and seal up the CFP autobid. If they delay it could give the Sun Belt time to steal the spotlight and OSU/WSU would be forced to join a conference in a struggle for relevance.
The ACC is not going to implode like the Democrats of the West Coast stupid PAC did. Not happening. WazzU and OzzU are academically superior to Bozo State and Firehose State and athletics are better too. This also applies to Memphis, Tulane, USF, CCU, App State, JMU, all three service academies, San Diego State, Marshall, Liberty, UCONN, Villanova, UC Davis, and other schools have more prestigious academics and overall athletics programs are better without compromising what the college system is supposed to be for. But the PAC name is not more valuable than ACC. Also any try at a rebuild is over now. No AAC nor SBC nor MAC nor CUSA let alone any MWC schools will join a rebuilt PAC. Even the WAC and ASUN which are moving back to FBS/D1A from D1AA will not sabotage their efforts by joining a group of hopes and maybes. Keep in mind the deal with CW requires both schools to provide their own production and facilities and financial services and crews. The CW is just airing the games as WazzU and OzzU have to basically do something similar if it were to be aired on the defunct PAC12 network and not kidding about that. I do agree that no way in hell would Bozo State nor FreeShoes State are ahead in desire. What will happen in the ACC is that they will lose 2-6 schools and still be a power conference and still get 30 million per school or close and will add WazzU and OzzU and SDST and Tulane, USF, and either Memphis or UCONN and all three service academies for all sports over the next few years as schools leave ACC. I do agree with this channel that if only 3 schools leave ACC, they may not add any other schools and stay at 14.
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If power 1/2 breakaway .. and finish their draft process of taking whoever they want ..then the game starts all over again ! Probably from when ESPN decides to renegotiate contracts ..which can be done at anytime …but don’t think you are going to get more money …they are losing money and are renegotiating down …meaning the ACC and B12 ( with similar money) can only negotiate up by combining …not adding teams ! Unfortunately , the only way for WSU/OSU…to get into the Power 3…is to join the ACC/B12/ Pac2 coalition and they set up a three division or league …with a Western /Central/ Eastern Division bringing the old PAC12 / and best of the MW together (The Western Pacific League ) along with the Central American League of Big8/SWC members and Lastly a few eastern members along with the ACC remnants to make the Eastern Atlantic League …all into one conference and the Rival of the Power 1/2. This brings back Regional rivalries at lower cost ..where fans can travel in all sports! Look at the combos …can have 12 /14 team leagues bringing in a San Diego State/ Boise State /UNLV adds in the West and Memphis , Tulane and UTSA in the Central and USF /UConn in the East …think about it ..24/7 coverage in great states and cities across the Nation and all time zones with multiple Bowl games ..your own Playoffs and control of March Madness ! Time to get a national Plan together …when the Power 1/2 get thru playing their own game of conquer and divide ! We form a Conference of getting an education sharing the money, and being pretty close to the same level of competition …size and money and closer locations …for the fans !
Hmmm interesting video, it very possible MW does merge with PAC2 ... That said, I would assume with all the unrest and instability in ACC, the PAC2 will hold there conf status (in title and war-chest assets) as long as possible. - The Pac 12 war-chest and western locate (near Cal/Stan) maybe there ticket into a reconstituted ACC... it's going to be a interesting next couple of months 4sho.
I don’t think this personally changes much. OSU & WSU’s options are in order of how ideal it is: 1 Join a P4 conference 2 Rebuild the PAC 12 (just not autonomy now) and eventually join a P4 down the road (just like every g5 team wants.) 3 If all else fails (all else probably will fail) join the Mountain West
This now removes option 2 and option 1 was and is extremely unlikely. They may not accept that their options have changed but the reality is that likelihood has greatly reduced in the second
Here is a serious question I have for anyone here to answer, what are the benefits for OSU & WSU to join the MWC over a merger of the MWC joining the PAC12? If there is a (reverse) merger the MWC can bring their assets with them. However, due to the PAC12 court case if the PAC12 closed the conference & joins another all assets reverts to being split with the original PAC12 members. That would be including NCAA MBB units. PAC12 Bi-laws state all assets are to stay with the conference, unless the conference closes its doors. If the MWC merges & joins the PAC? they will share in the PAC's assets.
Reverse merger is certainly possible but the only way it would really happen is if it’s actually a merger with the MW in everything but name. In any case the new conference would be the MW under the PAC12 name and the PAC12 as we have known it would still be dead. The MW at this point though has a stronger name and brand than the PAC so there’s a good possibility it won’t happen. The assets to be gained from merger with the PAC are not as significant as many would think (about 15 million per gaining member) and if that somehow got the MW members out of their exit fee agreement (which they may not feel inclined to sign again) then it likely wouldn’t be seen as worth it by the MW conference administration. It could happen but I don’t think it’s the most likely avenue at this point.
@@BroncoBleymaier You certainly do hate the PAC12, I can tell by the way you speak of them. Fine, if you like to call the PAC12 dead & it floats your boat. However if it is a merger keeping the PAC name it is hardly dead. It will be filled with former MWC teams. Alsoif the merger does happen, and all of the MWC teams merge, there would be no exit fees for any team. Gloria N. would probably take over the conference Commissioner job, & I would be happy if that happened. I think she is a good Commissioner.
It’s not about hate, it’s about facts. The PAC12 was the worst run conference in America and got everything it had coming to it so yes I take joy in that justice. However, my argument is not based on feelings, it is based on facts and logic. The point on restructured exit fees which is what has given the MW stability is a strong one against a possible merger
@@BroncoBleymaier I think the PAC is right there with the ACC for poorly ran conferences. Exit fees probably wont save the ACC. I think the elitist attitude of the PAC12 & ACC are their main downfalls. Those are from schools like Stanford, CAL, UCLA, USC, Washington, Oregon, & Arizona (somewhat). Not OSU & certainly not WSU. Oregon would be in OSU position now if it were not for NIKE/Phil Knight. The ACC has theirs as well, UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, ND, Miami. Sometimes FSU & Clemson. Admit it though, you despised the PAC12, probably because they never looked at BSU when they looked at expanding, I don't think the BSU haters were ever OSU & WSU. Those PAC12 schools snub their noses at OSU & WSU though the years as well. A hand full of them start another conference back in 1958 California, (USC, UCLA, Stanford and Washington), bust the PAC reformed in 1964. Just so you know there are a few things I despise as well; oregon ducks & Notre Dame. My three favorite teams are the Beavers, Army, and whoever plays the ducks. Facts are realignment isn't done yet. We don't know for certain how the assets from the PAC12 will be used. The immediate future of all FBS schools not in the B1G, SEC, B12 is unknown as well. If you want conformation on that, then cal Gloria Nevarez. I agree that the MWC is safe even though their future may change. Take care Mr. Bronco
ACC needs to add Washington State, Oregon State, San Diego State, Fresno State and possibly Boise State. Then group them with Cal, Stanford and SMU to make the Pacific Division of the ACC. The remaining ACC schools will be the ACC Atlantic Division. The Pacific champ plays the Atlantic champ for the conference championship... Of course this is only my opinion
Geographically speaking they'd need to become The TCC (TransAtlantic Championship Conference). And I am old enough to remember the NL West Braves and Astros and The NFC West Falcons and Saints. Incidentally does anyone know if Duke, Wake Forest, NC State, Miami, Pittsburgh, Boston College, Georgia Tech, Syracuse, and Louisville have received or entertained offers to go elsewhere? And Delaware is slated to jump to D1FBS in 2025 destination as yet unknown.🤔🏈🏀B.W.
Total assets should be 255 million between the two of them, which had $190 million in future earnings which future schools joining the conference would be entitled to unless they signed something to the contrary which I have no idea why they would, and $65 million from the departing schools which my understanding is regardless they get to keep. In either scenario they are having to split the $190 at least 12 ways (either between all departing members if they dissolve the conference or between 10 new members joining the conference) and OSU/WSU’s long term gains are the exact same.
For the life of me I cannot understand why they don’t join the MW and pump it up as a reformed PAC whatever. Makes complete sense to me. The PAC 2 reminds me of Europe as they sleepwalked into WWI.
Fair, but I think you could see a PAC12 situation where the ACC feels its wit more valuable than it is and not add teams feeling confident it can still get a pretty good tv deal without compromising their elitist academic sensibilities. Either way ESPN can renegotiate the deal in 2025 so with that in the offing either way they might feel they want to take their chances with the core they have then add teams they don’t want and end up with the same result.
That is a good point on the 15 teams though. I will modify my statement in the video slightly to say it would take a minimum of 3 teams to leave to consider expanding instead of 4 but everything else I said still applies. OSU/WSU are not their first choice
OSU and Wazzu should stay away from joining the ACC. They should especially stay away if they are getting anything less than a full share. Calford made a big mistake (although Stanford can afford it), cost of travel for all sports teams too prohibitive
@@BroncoBleymaier Florida St and Clemson gone for sure. If UNC goes, ESPN pays $15 - $20 million/school at the most. Remember they only wanted to pay $9 million/school for the PAC 10 last year. Even half of $30 million/year isn't worth all of the literal coast-to-coast (it's in the name) travel. It's better to just stay in the West
@jamesmckenzie9529 that has been a frequent point of possibility in conference realignment. When the Big 12 reduced to 10 teams they discussed adding programs, maybe even Boise as football only members. UCONN is basketball only in the Big East. Hawaii is football only in the MW. For teams with only one strong program or with long prohibitive travel costs adding only 1 sport is a solid option and can allow their main money maker programs to maximize their potential
Geographically OSU and WSU should join MWC. Either way Boise State needs to stay connected to those 2 schools and throw in San Diego State. Those 4 schools need to get together as that would be the foundation of what could be a good conference.
Face it…every team in the B12/ ACC and Pac2 and MW would join the SEC/ B10 , if offered …with Utah and Kansas making the best cases today …..but the tooth fairy could change that overnight ! Until the Power1/2 decide they have had enough …schools will still take more money …whether it makes sense or not …education and location and cost …are not even in the equation for B10…because they are perfect …just ask them ! And the SEC has been fairly disciplined in their approach …contiguous states and top programs in each of these States …loosely called the Southeast ! But they are a little vulnerable with B10 trying to get into their territory …Fla/ SC…and eyeing NC/ Va. So your druthers are just that…yours and nobody else’s…with Santa Claus the only one you can rely on !! Money , greed and power have taken over and are supported by the Devil ( ESPN)!!
Mildly off topic. What do you think of the CUSA right now obviously they are horrible. But when the Sun belt got raided they picked up a bunch of FCS teams, now look at them. Some would even say they are the best G5 (not me or you i presume). I feel like the CUSA schools (while they would all jump on an offer to leave if given one). Have kinda an us against the world mentality where nobody thinks their good and i can’t help but cheer for them because of that
I absolutely despise CUSA. The teams the Sun Belt picked up had a more established track record and they still had a major FBS with many established programs. CUSA is almost majority FCS and the teams that aren’t FCS are the throw away teams nobody else wanted. The only team of any quality in that conference is LU but because they are bogged down by that garbage group of bunk mates they will never get any credit because of their associations. It hurts my soul every single day that my beloved Flames are associated with that refuse heaps masquerading as a conference.
Not begging, OSU and WSU will join eventually whether they want to or not, just trying to help them see reality since they need a lot of help in that direction right now 😉
Honestly I would not be opposed to that. I actually like the idea of the top 8 or so teams from the MW joining the PAC12 with the other top G5 teams. Like I said it’s a fun theoretical conversation. However, it’s not grounded in reality or probability and all this dragging of feet vs accepting the reality of the situation and making the best of it has the potential to compromise the future.
@@BroncoBleymaier if espn wants it they’ll help it so, I think it would be profitable. In all reality however, and from a biased perspective, these talks could just be a pr leverage approach to put pressure on the acc to add us. I’m so exhausted of this realignment talk but I know the powers at be want us fans to roll over. If we do eventually outright join the mwc I’ll try my damndest to be optimistic. As you put it, the best g5/6 conference. But dam near the entire osu fanbase’s ego won’t allow that as an option. We’ll see what Barnes can do.
They could still take the best of the MW in a few years and build a stronger conference than what is currently the MW. WSU vs. BSU sounds more exciting than BSU vs UNM. They PAC2 still pull excitement and will for some time. Even as they lose Power 5 whatever status. You can't tell me...a conference with WSU/OSU/BSU/UNLV/CSU/USU/FSU/SDSU/AF and maybe the Montana schools or even NMSU along with UNM doesn't sound fun.
But you can get that same outcome by just absorbing WSU and OSU. Plus don’t forget about the basketball element. BSU vs NM in basketball sounds just if not more exciting than BSU vs WSU
I'm not sure it'll take 2 years. So you rhink a 11-1 or 12-0 MWC, or AAC school doesn't get a playoff birth over a Pac 2 school with the same record? I wouldn't bet anything on the Pac being the choice in that instance. But..... an undefeated or 11-1 Pac school in the MWC gets in everytime.
Yup, they get to remain a conference and control of their assets for 2 years but if they don’t expand to I believe it is a minimum of 8 teams by then they are gone and in the mean time they do not qualify for the auto bid. Now they can still make an at large spot but basically they are operating similar to an Independent right now.
How can you say right now that the Pac is dead? A lot is going to still change in the next few years. You sound like you just want OSU and WSU to fail and that you find joy in that. They got screwed over big time and most of America is still pulling for them. You are in the minority here with your joy over what has happened to them.
Yes, after the years of ivory tower elitism and backwards thinking that kept deserving teams like BSU from advancing to the PAC12 I will admit I find pleasure in watching Justice have its way with the PAC12. Aside from that though the PAC12 is dead because it just lost any chance of being rebuilt. It is a husk of a conference living on borrowed time with a 100% terminal diagnosis. Did you watch the video?
The Mountain Worst is NOT the Best G5 conference. Stay off the drugs man lol 😆. The SBC is better than MWC and AAC is still better post season wise. If they get back to being better in the regular season again then AAC will be better completely. When Boise goes to Georgia Southern, they will get surprised by how good they are. It won’t be like when Boise lost to UGA but they will learn that the SBC is better than Boise State and its fans and alumni and MWC as a whole previously thought. Don’t get me wrong, I think Boise will go 7-5 or 8-4 but this year win a bowl game. Boise has a non conference slate that is a bit challenging for a 1st yr coach with all the changes to everything. Also the conference schedule is no easy task either. By the way, the MWC champions had 8 wins and 6 losses last year. How the heck is that the best non autonomy conference when all the other conferences has champions with 11 wins or more and with 3 losses or less. Now could the MWC thus coming season or next season reclaim the title as best non power conference? Maybe 🤔? But SBC has really been on a tare the last 3-4 years.
The problem is judging a conference is based on performance in all sports. Sun Belt is better than the Mountain West in football but in every other sport they are behind. If they were better in the eyes of ESPN, then ESPN would be paying them more money than the Mountain West gets. But unfortunately for them, they are not right now. Their basketball programs need some serious improvement.
It’s about to to bottom strength. The Sun Belt has 3 good schools, 2 of them elite even. The AAC also has 3 good schools, 1-2 of them elite. The MW has 8 solid programs, 5 good schools, and 3 elite programs. The MW has more P5 and head to head wins against the other conferences and that’s even with the AAC’s teams that jumped ship factored in. The MW consistently over the last decade+ has produced the best G5 products but has been ignored due to East Coast Bias. The fact that an 8-6 Boise team won the MW shows how much parity there is within the conference first off and secondly Boise was only 8-6 because of Avalos who they fired. That team was better than their record. The MW has so much competition and top level schools that it often canonizes its self and produces a multiple loss champion. It’s not like the other weak conference that a team can just breeze through with 1 or fewer losses. The MW is the SEC of the G5.
How is the Sun Belt better than the MW in football? How? They gave 3 good teams, App, Troy, JMU. That’s it. They are extremely weak middle to bottom and their top team got destroyed by the MW’s 4th best team!
Also the MW’s 4th best team crushed the Sun Belts best team this year in bowl sealing and JMU had every single one of their players while AF had several top players limited by injury.
I don't think you are well informed. It is a well known fact that the ACC has vetted 6 additional schools in prep for the loss of 4 to 6 teams. This is clickbait. Thanks anyway.
How is that any different than what I said? I said if the ACC looses 4-6 teams they will add more but it would take 6 or more losses for them to add WSU/OSU.
Also vetting and deciding to add are completely different things. Teams get vetted all the time, it’s a pre-emptive first step like compiling a list of candidates, that doesn’t mean all or even any of those candidates are going to be selected. Circumstances and those in control’s perspective of those circumstances drive that
Some people man 🙄 They can’t counter the actual argument so they build their own based on facts either misstated or taken out of context. Classic Strawman argumentation.
How long will it be till OSU and WSU join the MW?
As a last resort, would loose its assets.
They have a new tv deal with their package with the MW right now but yeah, if they tried to rebuild the conference they would need to renegotiate and there’s no guarantee how good it would be especially since nobody wanted the old PAC12
It’s now in last resort mode. They still get the 65 million from the settlement and the rest of the assets won’t be worth much in a few years anyway.
3 years. Like you said 2 years of hoping for a miracle and then reluctantly joining the MW unless a realigned ACC comes calling.
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In 2013, the American Athletic Conference (AAC) had SEVEN former Big East teams after the Big East collapse, with teams such as Louisville, Rutgers, Cincinatti, UCF etc. That's not even including the strong brands they added, like Memphis and Houston. They tried to label themselves as "Power 6," as they used to be in the BCS era. They still could never get it's autonomous status back. Why would Oregon St. and Washington St. think they have a better shot with fewer brands than seven brands & remnants of the old Big East to AAC?
100% very solid point.
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Great video and breakdown. Truthfully I can see a scenario where the B1G adds FSU and Clemson to get to 20, the SEC only expands to 18 by grabbing North Carolina and Virginia, the Big 12 expands to 20 with Miami, Virginia Tech, North Carolina State and Louisville. Then the remaining ACC grabs UConn, Memphis, Tulane, USF, Oregon State, Washington State and San Diego State and remains a P4/A4 conference.
I think that is definitely a potential path and maybe even the most likely based on the mindset of the ACC leadership (not that it is the correct mindset as I argued in my recent video m.ua-cam.com/video/o93mRxhYEbo/v-deo.html) but they could potentially maintain their A4 status but it would be very, very tight and their tv marketability would plummet. The only way for them to maintain national relevance and ensure A4 status remains is to go grab national brand teams with with strong on field football success like Boise, Air Force, and maybe Fresno State in addition to the teams you listed. Boise is the only team with a brand large enough that comes anywhere close to the teams lost to help continue to draw in national interest from outside the conference.
@BroncoBleymaier That's true. The Big 12 pretty much stripped the G5 bare of national names that TV would pay for when they grabbed Cincinnati, BYU, Houston and UCF, and as a result eliminated any true non-P5/4 targets in the G5.
I saw stories a few months ago about the ACC vetting a bunch of AAC schools down to schools like East Carolina. I think they want to stay on the East coast but they also just added Stanford and Cal so idk
Glad to see a Boise fan have a UA-cam channel
There’s actually a bunch of us! Here is a complete guide to all of the BSU focused UA-camrs m.ua-cam.com/video/mjT8snqpjwk/v-deo.html
You have good insight. First time in checking out your channel.
Thank you! Appreciate that! I have fun getting to talk about these things as they happen. Definitely an exciting time to have a college football UA-cam channel!
The reality is that Oregon St. and Washington St. aren't that far off from Mountain West brands already. They just need to accept their fate at this point it's inevitable.
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Oregon State and Washington State are still holding out hope that they can get an invite into the ACC or possibly the Big 12. The ACC being the more likely landing spot. ESPN flat out told the ACC when they added stanford, Cal and SMU that ESPN would have preferred the ACC have added Oregon State and Washington State because they have superior football value. I'm also thinking that the reason they haven't merged yet is because their lawyers are trying to figure out how much they will owe with these lawsuits. How much of that $255 million war chest has to be saved to cover the lawsuits.
Strong point on the liability aspect.
Yep, and Florida State came out and stated that they preferred Oregon State (and likely Washington State).
This, and FSU preferring OSU and WSU makes me wonder...would FSU stay in the ACC if they just merge with PAC2 and bring them in?
Why would a West Coast team want to be in an East Coast Conference…..better than nothing or the MW???
PAC 2 needs to fight for a West Coast Division of the Combined ACC/B12/Pac2…with three regional leagues…West/Central/East
Competing against the Power 1/2…for TV and 24/7 … Coast to Coast coverage !! The cost of traveling to Miami and Syracuse is stupid! If 3/4 teams leave ACC …among FDU/NC/ND/Clem/Mia…what would ESPN or Notre Dame do( if they resist)…so a combo of the remnants would be required. Better fight for the combined strategy..or you will be left out!! Get with Yormack…ACC will play the hubris/ego route…same as PAC 12 did …letting Notre Dame and North Carolina leave you hanging…as UT/OU and USC/UCLA and AM/Ark., Neb/Missouri and Ore./ Wash. all did…did anyone learn anything from this ??
Interesting point, at this point I think they are past the point of no return. Plus their issues with the ACC go beyond simply conference members
EAST: Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, Duke, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, USF. WEST: Tulane, SMU, SDSU, Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State.
Yikes… 😬😬😬 Definitely not A4 and barely stronger than the MW
Rebuilding the pac12 into the top G6 conference would give them a good chance at thw 5th automatic qualifier for the CFP
So would simply joining the MW and that option is far easier to accomplish.
@@BroncoBleymaier yeah, but a conference built from the best MW and best AAC would be a better conference, and the conference champ would surely get the 5th AQ. Great video btw! Keep this kind of analysis coming. I'm here for Pac-12 rebuild content
@davestrrr true but very tough to do with exit fees and University presidents/boards. Will be interesting to see what happens for sure!
Also, I think Gonzaga and St Mary's to beef up basketball. Hey, I wouldn't mind if they join the MW, but I suspect they get more money by staying Pac12 for the next two years
@davestrrr would be one of the top basketball conferences in the country
It's sad and depressing what has happened to the PAC. Great point Bronco on the MW being a true regional conference. I would happily accept OSU and WSU into our family... then I can drive 3 hours to watch Boise play in Pullman... little side bonus there.
This makes sense with the playoff expanding to 12 teams this year. The four remaining powerschools all get automatic bids and the top team from each of those four conferences are your 4 first round byes. And then the other eight teams play each other in the first round. It makes the math a lot easier for the expanded playoffs and makes it a lot more fair
Pac 12 killed the pac 12
Poetic justice really
There is a chance for OSU and WSU getting into the ACC because of Cal and Stanford. As a regional standpoint it benefits Cal and Stanford.
I personally believe OSU and WSU will try to rejuvenate the PAC, but it could never get to its one great luster.
As a USC fan I would have liked the PAC sticking together, but the PAC has been screwing USC over for so many years and that's why they left.
If the MW wasn't so greedy they would have been a power conference right now. BYU, Utah, and TCU would have stayed. Then with Boise coming in, that would have been a dang good conference. The NCAA was actually looking at giving the MW the power status, then the conference got greedy by wanting to control the TV rights of all the programs. BYU, Utah, and TCU said no and they took off.
Not going to lie, I am intrigued to see how Malachi Nelson does for your Broncos. Good QB right there.
Yes, Craig Thompson nearly destroyed this conference. Just the worst thing to ever happen to the MW. Glad Gloria Nevarez is in charge now and moving the MW finally forward. Cal and Stanford were added begrudgingly and the ACC isn’t looking to placate them by adding regional teams. I think in the backwards way of looking at team potential that those in power use UNLV and SDSU are better West Coast teams to add and with the correct way of looking at team value that I advocate for BSU and Fresno State are better picks. In either way I just don’t see OSU/WSU getting the call until the ACC has used up all East Coast options and potentially a couple of West Coast programs.
Great to hear a USC fans take on our new QB! Means a lot! Really hoping he does great things here. He looked great in the Spring Game!
I highly doubt the view BSU & FSU over the Beavers & WSU. If the ACC drops more than the 2-3 teams (FSU, Clemson & UNC) the conference may implode. Losing FSU & Clemson alone will cause ESPN to renegotiate the contract. In order for OSU & WSU to decide to go to the ACC (if offered) I am certain the media deal would have to be around 20 million. The cost of travel would not be worth it. If the ACC loses FSU & Clemson their CFP money would drop off significantly since those two teams are the only ones that made it to the CFP this century. ACC CFP payouts would drop below the B12.
The PAC2 lost their A5/4 status but still have the PAC12 assets. In order to keep those assets they cannot join another conference or those assets will be split between the original PAC12 teams. Those assets add up to about 275-280 mil right now. So I guess it is either ACC/B12 (very doubtful) but still possible, or rebuild the PAC12. How good can the PAC12 media deal be? We will see. OSU & WSU has pretty good viewership numbers over the last few years, WSU longer.
So the PAC? isn't dead, lost some power. I know some of you think us Beaver & WSU fans live in ivory towers but that is a few, not the majority. I know some of BSU fans look down on some of your own conference mates, and some of your fellow conference member think BSU are arrogant and live in ivory towers. Some do & some don't. Look at it this way, if you were in OSU & WSU's positions, would you just give up and take the relegation without a fight for everything you could get? I doubt it.
Just so you all know I am a long time Beaver fan, not alum cause I got my degree while serving in the military over seas. I DO look forward to building a new PAC12 conference with the MWC together in what ever form it takes. Best wishes & respect to BSU fans. I have met many of you at games in Corvallis, great people on most accounts.
BTW,please forgive any missed grammatical & spelling errors. I had a few tonight.
Total assets should be 255 million between the two of them, which had $190 million in future earnings which future schools joining the conference would be entitled to unless they signed something to the contrary which I have no idea why they would, and $65 million from the departing schools which my understanding is regardless they get to keep. In either scenario they are having to split the $190 at least 12 ways (either between all departing members if they dissolve the conference or between 10 new members joining the conference) and OSU/WSU’s long term gains are the exact same. However, the longer they drag their feet the less the MW (their inevitable future home) gains from their presence and in the clash of conferences in college football the wheels of media bias turn quickly. If OSU/WSU join now they could ensure the MW is cemented as the top G5 conference and seal up the CFP autobid. If they delay it could give the Sun Belt time to steal the spotlight and OSU/WSU would be forced to join a conference in a struggle for relevance.
The ACC is not going to implode like the Democrats of the West Coast stupid PAC did. Not happening. WazzU and OzzU are academically superior to Bozo State and Firehose State and athletics are better too. This also applies to Memphis, Tulane, USF, CCU, App State, JMU, all three service academies, San Diego State, Marshall, Liberty, UCONN, Villanova, UC Davis, and other schools have more prestigious academics and overall athletics programs are better without compromising what the college system is supposed to be for.
But the PAC name is not more valuable than ACC. Also any try at a rebuild is over now. No AAC nor SBC nor MAC nor CUSA let alone any MWC schools will join a rebuilt PAC. Even the WAC and ASUN which are moving back to FBS/D1A from D1AA will not sabotage their efforts by joining a group of hopes and maybes.
Keep in mind the deal with CW requires both schools to provide their own production and facilities and financial services and crews. The CW is just airing the games as WazzU and OzzU have to basically do something similar if it were to be aired on the defunct PAC12 network and not kidding about that.
I do agree that no way in hell would Bozo State nor FreeShoes State are ahead in desire. What will happen in the ACC is that they will lose 2-6 schools and still be a power conference and still get 30 million per school or close and will add WazzU and OzzU and SDST and Tulane, USF, and either Memphis or UCONN and all three service academies for all sports over the next few years as schools leave ACC. I do agree with this channel that if only 3 schools leave ACC, they may not add any other schools and stay at 14.
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@@BroncoBleymaier PAC2 also will get an additional 20mil in NCAA MBB from this years tourney.
If power 1/2 breakaway .. and finish their draft process of taking whoever they want ..then the game starts all over again !
Probably from when ESPN decides to renegotiate contracts ..which can be done at anytime …but don’t think you are going to get more money …they are losing money and are renegotiating down …meaning the ACC and B12 ( with similar money) can only negotiate up by combining …not adding teams ! Unfortunately , the only way for WSU/OSU…to get into the Power 3…is to join the ACC/B12/ Pac2 coalition and they set up a three division or league …with a Western /Central/ Eastern Division bringing the old PAC12 / and best of the MW together (The Western Pacific League ) along with the Central American League of Big8/SWC members and Lastly a few eastern members along with the ACC remnants to make the Eastern Atlantic League …all into one conference and the Rival of the Power 1/2.
This brings back Regional rivalries at lower cost ..where fans can travel in all sports!
Look at the combos …can have 12 /14 team leagues bringing in a San Diego State/ Boise State /UNLV adds in the West and Memphis , Tulane and UTSA in the Central and USF /UConn in the East …think about it ..24/7 coverage in great states and cities across the Nation and all time zones with multiple Bowl games ..your own Playoffs and control of March Madness !
Time to get a national Plan together …when the Power 1/2 get thru playing their own game of conquer and divide !
We form a Conference of getting an education sharing the money, and being pretty close to the same level of competition …size and money and closer locations …for the fans !
If the P2 breaks away the rest of college football is done. The new FCS at that point. Nobody is going to watch that
Hmmm interesting video, it very possible MW does merge with PAC2 ...
That said, I would assume with all the unrest and instability in ACC, the PAC2 will hold there conf status (in title and war-chest assets) as long as possible.
- The Pac 12 war-chest and western locate (near Cal/Stan) maybe there ticket into a reconstituted ACC...
it's going to be a interesting next couple of months 4sho.
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I don’t think this personally changes much.
OSU & WSU’s options are in order of how ideal it is:
1 Join a P4 conference
2 Rebuild the PAC 12 (just not autonomy now) and eventually join a P4 down the road (just like every g5 team wants.)
3 If all else fails (all else probably will fail) join the Mountain West
This now removes option 2 and option 1 was and is extremely unlikely. They may not accept that their options have changed but the reality is that likelihood has greatly reduced in the second
@@BroncoBleymaieroption 2 is not gone.
Here is a serious question I have for anyone here to answer, what are the benefits for OSU & WSU to join the MWC over a merger of the MWC joining the PAC12? If there is a (reverse) merger the MWC can bring their assets with them. However, due to the PAC12 court case if the PAC12 closed the conference & joins another all assets reverts to being split with the original PAC12 members. That would be including NCAA MBB units. PAC12 Bi-laws state all assets are to stay with the conference, unless the conference closes its doors. If the MWC merges & joins the PAC? they will share in the PAC's assets.
Reverse merger is certainly possible but the only way it would really happen is if it’s actually a merger with the MW in everything but name. In any case the new conference would be the MW under the PAC12 name and the PAC12 as we have known it would still be dead. The MW at this point though has a stronger name and brand than the PAC so there’s a good possibility it won’t happen. The assets to be gained from merger with the PAC are not as significant as many would think (about 15 million per gaining member) and if that somehow got the MW members out of their exit fee agreement (which they may not feel inclined to sign again) then it likely wouldn’t be seen as worth it by the MW conference administration. It could happen but I don’t think it’s the most likely avenue at this point.
@@BroncoBleymaier You certainly do hate the PAC12, I can tell by the way you speak of them. Fine, if you like to call the PAC12 dead & it floats your boat. However if it is a merger keeping the PAC name it is hardly dead. It will be filled with former MWC teams. Alsoif the merger does happen, and all of the MWC teams merge, there would be no exit fees for any team. Gloria N. would probably take over the conference Commissioner job, & I would be happy if that happened. I think she is a good Commissioner.
It’s not about hate, it’s about facts. The PAC12 was the worst run conference in America and got everything it had coming to it so yes I take joy in that justice. However, my argument is not based on feelings, it is based on facts and logic. The point on restructured exit fees which is what has given the MW stability is a strong one against a possible merger
@@BroncoBleymaier I think the PAC is right there with the ACC for poorly ran conferences. Exit fees probably wont save the ACC. I think the elitist attitude of the PAC12 & ACC are their main downfalls. Those are from schools like Stanford, CAL, UCLA, USC, Washington, Oregon, & Arizona (somewhat). Not OSU & certainly not WSU. Oregon would be in OSU position now if it were not for NIKE/Phil Knight. The ACC has theirs as well, UNC, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, ND, Miami. Sometimes FSU & Clemson.
Admit it though, you despised the PAC12, probably because they never looked at BSU when they looked at expanding, I don't think the BSU haters were ever OSU & WSU. Those PAC12 schools snub their noses at OSU & WSU though the years as well. A hand full of them start another conference back in 1958 California, (USC, UCLA, Stanford and Washington), bust the PAC reformed in 1964. Just so you know there are a few things I despise as well; oregon ducks & Notre Dame. My three favorite teams are the Beavers, Army, and whoever plays the ducks.
Facts are realignment isn't done yet. We don't know for certain how the assets from the PAC12 will be used. The immediate future of all FBS schools not in the B1G, SEC, B12 is unknown as well. If you want conformation on that, then cal Gloria Nevarez. I agree that the MWC is safe even though their future may change.
Take care Mr. Bronco
ACC needs to add Washington State, Oregon State, San Diego State, Fresno State and possibly Boise State. Then group them with Cal, Stanford and SMU to make the Pacific Division of the ACC. The remaining ACC schools will be the ACC Atlantic Division. The Pacific champ plays the Atlantic champ for the conference championship... Of course this is only my opinion
I agree but doubt the backwards ACC will do it unless absolutely forced to and at that point the question becomes, would they be worth joining?
Geographically speaking they'd need to become The TCC (TransAtlantic Championship Conference). And I am old enough to remember the NL West Braves and Astros and The NFC West Falcons and Saints. Incidentally does anyone know if Duke, Wake Forest, NC State, Miami, Pittsburgh, Boston College, Georgia Tech, Syracuse, and Louisville have received or entertained offers to go elsewhere? And Delaware is slated to jump to D1FBS in 2025 destination as yet unknown.🤔🏈🏀B.W.
Oregon st and Washington st has more than pride to lose. Future payouts. Money!!
Total assets should be 255 million between the two of them, which had $190 million in future earnings which future schools joining the conference would be entitled to unless they signed something to the contrary which I have no idea why they would, and $65 million from the departing schools which my understanding is regardless they get to keep. In either scenario they are having to split the $190 at least 12 ways (either between all departing members if they dissolve the conference or between 10 new members joining the conference) and OSU/WSU’s long term gains are the exact same.
For the life of me I cannot understand why they don’t join the MW and pump it up as a reformed PAC whatever. Makes complete sense to me. The PAC 2 reminds me of Europe as they sleepwalked into WWI.
Great analogy!
@@BroncoBleymaier thanks !!! 🙏🏽
If the ACC falls below 15 it automatically triggers a renegotiation of their TV rights. The ACC won't survive.
Fair, but I think you could see a PAC12 situation where the ACC feels its wit more valuable than it is and not add teams feeling confident it can still get a pretty good tv deal without compromising their elitist academic sensibilities. Either way ESPN can renegotiate the deal in 2025 so with that in the offing either way they might feel they want to take their chances with the core they have then add teams they don’t want and end up with the same result.
That is a good point on the 15 teams though. I will modify my statement in the video slightly to say it would take a minimum of 3 teams to leave to consider expanding instead of 4 but everything else I said still applies. OSU/WSU are not their first choice
@@BroncoBleymaier The BIG12 is going to get a handful of those teams. Without FSU the ACC is worth much less than now. It is going to cause chaos imv.
OSU and Wazzu should stay away from joining the ACC. They should especially stay away if they are getting anything less than a full share. Calford made a big mistake (although Stanford can afford it), cost of travel for all sports teams too prohibitive
If the ACC is still P4 then it is worth the move
@@BroncoBleymaier Florida St and Clemson gone for sure. If UNC goes, ESPN pays $15 - $20 million/school at the most. Remember they only wanted to pay $9 million/school for the PAC 10 last year. Even half of $30 million/year isn't worth all of the literal coast-to-coast (it's in the name) travel. It's better to just stay in the West
I think it would be worth it in football, but only in football. MW might consider taking in their basketball alone
@@BroncoBleymaier Okay, yes. Maybe if they only took football. But, they wouldn't, that never happens. Why only take a school for one sport???
@jamesmckenzie9529 that has been a frequent point of possibility in conference realignment. When the Big 12 reduced to 10 teams they discussed adding programs, maybe even Boise as football only members. UCONN is basketball only in the Big East. Hawaii is football only in the MW. For teams with only one strong program or with long prohibitive travel costs adding only 1 sport is a solid option and can allow their main money maker programs to maximize their potential
Geographically OSU and WSU should join MWC. Either way Boise State needs to stay connected to those 2 schools and throw in San Diego State. Those 4 schools need to get together as that would be the foundation of what could be a good conference.
I would also throw in Fresno in there
Geography is dead in college football
@piercebradshaw3401 could stay alive with the MW🤷🏻♂️
Face it…every team in the B12/ ACC and Pac2 and MW would join the SEC/ B10 , if offered …with Utah and Kansas making the best cases today …..but the tooth fairy could change that overnight ! Until the Power1/2 decide they have had enough …schools will still take more money …whether it makes sense or not …education and location and cost …are not even in the equation for B10…because they are perfect …just ask them !
And the SEC has been fairly disciplined in their approach …contiguous states and top programs in each of these States …loosely called the Southeast ! But they are a little vulnerable with B10 trying to get into their territory …Fla/ SC…and eyeing NC/ Va.
So your druthers are just that…yours and nobody else’s…with Santa Claus the only one you can rely on !! Money , greed and power have taken over and are supported by the Devil ( ESPN)!!
Are you saying OSU/WSU should just ask to join the Big 10 or SEC…?
Mildly off topic. What do you think of the CUSA right now obviously they are horrible. But when the Sun belt got raided they picked up a bunch of FCS teams, now look at them. Some would even say they are the best G5 (not me or you i presume). I feel like the CUSA schools (while they would all jump on an offer to leave if given one). Have kinda an us against the world mentality where nobody thinks their good and i can’t help but cheer for them because of that
Also they are playing football as a real conference (something the PAC 12 can’t say
I absolutely despise CUSA. The teams the Sun Belt picked up had a more established track record and they still had a major FBS with many established programs. CUSA is almost majority FCS and the teams that aren’t FCS are the throw away teams nobody else wanted. The only team of any quality in that conference is LU but because they are bogged down by that garbage group of bunk mates they will never get any credit because of their associations. It hurts my soul every single day that my beloved Flames are associated with that refuse heaps masquerading as a conference.
23 minutes of begging OrSt and Wazzu to join the mwc while disrespecting us. We trynna pull you up not trynna be dragged down.
Time to play their game and drop the dead weight same age bro
*slightly younger bro ;)
Not begging, OSU and WSU will join eventually whether they want to or not, just trying to help them see reality since they need a lot of help in that direction right now 😉
Honestly I would not be opposed to that. I actually like the idea of the top 8 or so teams from the MW joining the PAC12 with the other top G5 teams. Like I said it’s a fun theoretical conversation. However, it’s not grounded in reality or probability and all this dragging of feet vs accepting the reality of the situation and making the best of it has the potential to compromise the future.
@@BroncoBleymaier if espn wants it they’ll help it so, I think it would be profitable. In all reality however, and from a biased perspective, these talks could just be a pr leverage approach to put pressure on the acc to add us. I’m so exhausted of this realignment talk but I know the powers at be want us fans to roll over. If we do eventually outright join the mwc I’ll try my damndest to be optimistic. As you put it, the best g5/6 conference. But dam near the entire osu fanbase’s ego won’t allow that as an option. We’ll see what Barnes can do.
They could still take the best of the MW in a few years and build a stronger conference than what is currently the MW. WSU vs. BSU sounds more exciting than BSU vs UNM. They PAC2 still pull excitement and will for some time. Even as they lose Power 5 whatever status. You can't tell me...a conference with WSU/OSU/BSU/UNLV/CSU/USU/FSU/SDSU/AF and maybe the Montana schools or even NMSU along with UNM doesn't sound fun.
But you can get that same outcome by just absorbing WSU and OSU. Plus don’t forget about the basketball element. BSU vs NM in basketball sounds just if not more exciting than BSU vs WSU
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I'm not sure it'll take 2 years. So you rhink a 11-1 or 12-0 MWC, or AAC school doesn't get a playoff birth over a Pac 2 school with the same record? I wouldn't bet anything on the Pac being the choice in that instance. But..... an undefeated or 11-1 Pac school in the MWC gets in everytime.
PAC teams are not eligible for the CFP auto bid. They have to make as an at large. Even more reason for them to join the MW sooner than later
@@BroncoBleymaier So the only chance the Pac really had is to join the MWC? Wow, I thought they'd have a shot at the G5 spot.
Yup, they get to remain a conference and control of their assets for 2 years but if they don’t expand to I believe it is a minimum of 8 teams by then they are gone and in the mean time they do not qualify for the auto bid. Now they can still make an at large spot but basically they are operating similar to an Independent right now.
How can you say right now that the Pac is dead? A lot is going to still change in the next few years. You sound like you just want OSU and WSU to fail and that you find joy in that. They got screwed over big time and most of America is still pulling for them. You are in the minority here with your joy over what has happened to them.
Yes, after the years of ivory tower elitism and backwards thinking that kept deserving teams like BSU from advancing to the PAC12 I will admit I find pleasure in watching Justice have its way with the PAC12. Aside from that though the PAC12 is dead because it just lost any chance of being rebuilt. It is a husk of a conference living on borrowed time with a 100% terminal diagnosis. Did you watch the video?
Non News.
Where you been for 3 weeks? 😂
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The Mountain Worst is NOT the Best G5 conference. Stay off the drugs man lol 😆. The SBC is better than MWC and AAC is still better post season wise. If they get back to being better in the regular season again then AAC will be better completely. When Boise goes to Georgia Southern, they will get surprised by how good they are. It won’t be like when Boise lost to UGA but they will learn that the SBC is better than Boise State and its fans and alumni and MWC as a whole previously thought. Don’t get me wrong, I think Boise will go 7-5 or 8-4 but this year win a bowl game. Boise has a non conference slate that is a bit challenging for a 1st yr coach with all the changes to everything. Also the conference schedule is no easy task either. By the way, the MWC champions had 8 wins and 6 losses last year. How the heck is that the best non autonomy conference when all the other conferences has champions with 11 wins or more and with 3 losses or less. Now could the MWC thus coming season or next season reclaim the title as best non power conference? Maybe 🤔? But SBC has really been on a tare the last 3-4 years.
The problem is judging a conference is based on performance in all sports. Sun Belt is better than the Mountain West in football but in every other sport they are behind. If they were better in the eyes of ESPN, then ESPN would be paying them more money than the Mountain West gets. But unfortunately for them, they are not right now. Their basketball programs need some serious improvement.
It’s about to to bottom strength. The Sun Belt has 3 good schools, 2 of them elite even. The AAC also has 3 good schools, 1-2 of them elite. The MW has 8 solid programs, 5 good schools, and 3 elite programs. The MW has more P5 and head to head wins against the other conferences and that’s even with the AAC’s teams that jumped ship factored in. The MW consistently over the last decade+ has produced the best G5 products but has been ignored due to East Coast Bias. The fact that an 8-6 Boise team won the MW shows how much parity there is within the conference first off and secondly Boise was only 8-6 because of Avalos who they fired. That team was better than their record. The MW has so much competition and top level schools that it often canonizes its self and produces a multiple loss champion. It’s not like the other weak conference that a team can just breeze through with 1 or fewer losses. The MW is the SEC of the G5.
How is the Sun Belt better than the MW in football? How? They gave 3 good teams, App, Troy, JMU. That’s it. They are extremely weak middle to bottom and their top team got destroyed by the MW’s 4th best team!
Also the MW’s 4th best team crushed the Sun Belts best team this year in bowl sealing and JMU had every single one of their players while AF had several top players limited by injury.
I don't think you are well informed. It is a well known fact that the ACC has vetted 6 additional schools in prep for the loss of 4 to 6 teams. This is clickbait. Thanks anyway.
How is that any different than what I said? I said if the ACC looses 4-6 teams they will add more but it would take 6 or more losses for them to add WSU/OSU.
Gonna go ahead and guess you didn’t watch the whole video
Also vetting and deciding to add are completely different things. Teams get vetted all the time, it’s a pre-emptive first step like compiling a list of candidates, that doesn’t mean all or even any of those candidates are going to be selected. Circumstances and those in control’s perspective of those circumstances drive that
@@BroncoBleymaierAgreed, that's pretty much what you said.
Some people man 🙄 They can’t counter the actual argument so they build their own based on facts either misstated or taken out of context. Classic Strawman argumentation.