Great analysis. I also cover NCAA Hockey and they use a pairwise formula that includes a SOS component to determine the field of 16. Why wouldn't college football want to adopt something similar? I know some may not want a computer setting the field and like an argument about who the last teams in should be, but if we're in the business of getting things right, why not something mathematical?
Great show, I've been saying Indiana doesn't deserve to be in and honestly the committee's crystal ball was the Ohio State game, I believe SMU and Clemson are about to have the same thing done to them and the Notre Dame Indiana game was just to see who gets slaughtered by Georgia anyways. There are a lot of mediocre teams in this year
Josh, I agree, but at about 12:40, we start to disagree. We only know bama is flawed because they played competition. Playing noone hides ur flaws. If u give bama, IUs schedule. They would get in but they would still be that flawed team. Sos should carry more weight. I don't want to see everyone trying not to play anyone.
So, since Ohio State just destroyed Tennessee, I guess that means the SEC is no where near being the same "caliber" that would suggest needing four 9-3 teams in the playoffs because you think their schedule is tough.
@@nicholashardin3704 Doesn’t mean there won’t be blowouts at times, especially with a 12 team playoff. Sorry it was I guess, but you don’t leave a 12-1 P4 team out when the other teams in contention couldn’t win the necessary games.
@@slimmdusty8809 The only reason IU ended the regular season at 11-1 is because they played a soft schedule. Should everyone start scheduling as many creampuffs as possible? Or will we reward teams that choose to play strong opposition?
@@dominickowalczyk8253 I am laughing as I see Notre Dame out class Indiana. What if Penn State is mediocre. What if Oregon is just slightly less mediocre. And what if Indiana just didn't really play anybody except Ohio State after they lost their best two offensive lineman? What is a seemingly middling year in the SEC was actually a log jam of five different SEC teams that could dominate the Big ten? When SMU beats Penn State.... Ohio State will be watching those events with doubt growing exponentially in the back of their mind. We are about to outclass them. They get all this talent on paper. I think people who don't mind contact and want competition go to the SEC. The players that transfer to Ohio State just want money and an easier route via lesser competition. Ohio State doesn't develop those good recruits that they get, That's why they had to bring in lots of guys and all those guys mostly started. By recruiting standards, they should only need minimal (IF ANY) portal transfers. They trying to get as many portal transfers as Ole Miss! Ryan Day is Butch Jones with a beard. He is uninspiring and the reason they are soft. That's the reason for 2-14 versus SEC! Iron sharpens iron. Ohio State simply outclasses everybody and the only team to really challenge them is Michigan, The only team that has equivalent talent. They don't have to try hard against other people, so it's really hard for them to turn it on at a moment's notice after Tennessee has run the gauntlet of SEC competition. South Carolina, Ole Miss, Alabama, I honestly think Auburn could beat Ohio State.
Here's what I predict from the ND naysayers: 1) Indiana isn't that good because they lost to Notre Dame (no true Scotsman logical fallacy). 2) Notre Dame isn't that good because they only beat Indiana by 10. (Moving the goalposts logical fallacy).
@@bigneiltoosome might. But most of us knew Indiana wasn’t that good beforehand. So yeah Notre Dame had a good win over an overrated team but they still do have something to prove in terms of beating great teams. They’ll get a shot to prove it against Georgia
You can argue that Indiana deserved to be there, but Miami, Bama, Ole Miss, and South Carolina are all better teams than Indiana and nobody really doubts that.
agreed but long term I like decisions like this bc one day a longshot team like Indianna is gonna upset a couple teams and that payoff will be legendary lol
Both can be true at the same time. Indiana WAS overrated... but they still deserved to make it, because they only lost one game, against a Top Ten opponent. They beat the pants off of everybody else. Even MICHIGAN couldn't handle Cignetti's boys! What everyone is overlooking about this game is that the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame were UNDERRATED, by only being named the 7 Seed...
The scoreboard lies about how lopsided and hopeless this game actually was for Indiana. That's the one thing Josh Pate said that I absolutely agree with! If you saw the game, you know damn well that the final score was just "window dressing," and that the Hoosiers never had any hope of competing in this game at all, until ND put in its' second stringers on defense and special teams.
It was 27-3 with 4 min left, and could have easily been 35-3 of the Irish wanted to score TDs. ND shut down to vanilla offense when it was 14-0 to save playbook for UGA. They were playing passive precent defense that allowed an IU TD with 2 min left, then an inside and another prevent TD.
We’ve always had blowouts even with the 4 team playoff. Most of the semifinals and championships were not competitive. Last years natty, Georgia vs TCU, Alabama vs OSU 2020, LSU vs Clemson, Alabama vs Clemson 2018, and Oregon vs OSU. Games like this will continue to happen even with the expansion.
And who could forget such terrible games like Georgia vs Michigan, Alabama vs Michigan State, Alabama vs Washington, and that time Clemson shut down Ohio State 31-0.
You forgot Clemson over OSU, Oklahoma, and ND. We will see even more blowouts in the expansion. It’s why I was against expanding. I could have seen going to 8 teams, but this 12 and soon to be 16 is a bit crazy. I’m a Clemson fan and no I don’t think we are a playoff team, but here we are. Do they have a chance today? Yes, but it will take playing the best game of the year.
@@JohnMandock I agree. But to blame the playoff for putting in an 11-1 team is not the problem. We need 10-12 team conferences where things can get sorted out
bama and ole miss were better if you watched the games. They choked for sure but they were better. Just like ohio state was the best team in the country but choked twice
Tennessee simply got rolled. It can happen in any game. OSU came out with their hair on fire after getting dunked on for two weeks (and Tennessee fans trolling). But thinking Bama wouldn't have done better just because they lost to Tennessee is akin to saying Indiana would beat OSU just because Indiana beat Michigan (and OSU didn't).
Cant wait to see your take on how Tennessee didn’t deserve to be in the playoff, you’re right truly no cinderellas! I think Vandy should have made it personally (I mean look who they played! They play in the SEC!!!)
@kevinmoraghan2088 Absolutely none, Ohio State had a better game plan and executed it almost to perfection. Tennessee gotta learn that if it doesn't work don't keep trying!
It felt like IU fell into the same trap Ohio State did against Michigan. They wanted to prove they could run the ball against a strong opponent and played right into ND's hands
Indiana's QB had a pretty lousy game as well, so even if they had abandoned the run game, I'm not sure that would have made any difference. Notre Dame was simply in a different class, with their defense.
They did TRY to throw the ball, they just couldn't. Notre Dame does have a really good Defense, so let's give them a little more credit. They took the Hoosier's passing game away. And I made comments all week leading up to the game that the ONLY THING that mattered in this game were this: Could Indiana handle Notre Dame's Offensive and Defensive Lines? For the most part, they couldn't. I am not going to downplay Indiana's season. They had a terrific season and I won't take anything away from them. However, this game was a very clear indication of the Talent disparity between the 2 teams. Good luck going forward, Hoosiers. GO IRISH!!!
@@FlexApeal08 that narrative is provably false. They were dared to run the ball by having a light box. They still couldn't run. Number one rushing defense in the Big ten maybe.. SEC defenses are different you will see tomorrow.
What are you talking about? I haven't watched anything with him, seen him speak to the press or do some kind of interview, or anything like that. So what was he saying?
@@jordantaylor1042 His interview on GameDay was cringe worthy. He literally said "we don't just beat top 25 teams, we beat the sh!t out of them!". Apparently referring to the 1 week Nebraska snuck into the top 25 for a few minutes. He sounded like a HS JV coach trying to impress some chicks. His arrogant "tough guy" persona was exposed. But kudos to him, he used his soft as a baby's bottom powderpuff schedule and parlays it into a long term multi millions $$ contract. When the schedule gets tougher and he goes 7-5, people will be chuckling.
Dude, IU football has been completely irrelevant in this state except for the one year Micheal penix was here then left. They were expected to be a bottom 5 team this year and was a top 5 big ten team. As a Hoosier fan, Cignetti can say whatever he wants, he earned it this year and wait for the next 5 years. Just getting started
Yeah Indiana didn’t look like they belong. The offense was non existent for the majority of the game. Even though ND has one of the best defenses but at least score more than 3 in 3.5 quarters
Was just you. Turned it off in the third. This was bad football. Indiana just was a mid at best team and refused to adjust. ND wasn't impressive. They just had better talent and won due to that. The game wasn't fun, it was very basic and bland.
It's now 30 hours later and we have a 4 game sample size. I could only wish that this would tamp down the (further) expansion talk. But, money does what money does.
Strength of Schedule should be given much more weight in determining what teams are better and should be ranked higher. I hope that the folks that make these decisions give Strength of Schedule increasing importance going forward.
And we are dealing with 18-22 year olds. One week they play great and the next they don’t. SOS is harder gage with a dynamic range of quality of play each week. Plus factoring in injuries causes our data to be muddied even further. You have a major iid problem, so using statistical analysis like strength of schedule won’t provide the value you think it will.
@ If autobids are given out to conference champs, the rest of the at large bids should be held to a higher standard. Or, what happens when an 8-5 conference champ gets in? The problem is agreeing on a SOS model that most can agree on. It is NOT public knowledge on how the committee measures SOS. ESPN's FPI, The Sagarin Ratings, Colley Matrix, Massey Ratings, Billingsley Ranking are all calculated differently. Sagarin uses a universal formula across all of the FBS in an attempt to eliminate bias. The problem with wins and losses only mattering is that they give equal value to Arkansas & Arkansas State, Michigan & Central Michigan, and so on. An example of this is when Oregon was ranked higher than Washington in their final poll last year. Despite Washington winning head to head. It was the fact that Oregon had a higher margin of victory in a major bowl game against Liberty than Washington did in its major bowl over Texas. Then Washington played an extra game that hurt them mathematically. College Football Network has Michigan as their #1 SOS. They get a boost because Arkansas State went 7-5. But if they played 6-6 Arkansas, mathematically, that would've hurt their SOS. But which would have been a tougher match-up? The truth is, people pick and go with a SOS that favors their team or situation.
Thank god one of those 9-3 SEC teams didn’t get in because Tennessee just got absolutely destroyed and the SEC is looking extremely sus rn if you didn’t think they were already
I'm sure Ole Miss or SCAR would have competed better. At least would have made adjustments. Ole Miss is actually a good team, Lane is both a strength and a weakness at the same time. If he'd just take the points, their record would reflect the team talent more. If you watched them, you'd know that.
Exactly sorry I weighed getting smashed by a disgustingly mediocre Oklahoma…probably the physically worst beatdown Bama has had in the regular season in almost two decades and little cherry on top was that Vandy lose. Enjoy the couch…South Carolina would’ve deserved the spot more at least they lost tight games to ranked opponents and only have one black eye loss to Florida
I honestly think the marketing campaign to convince people the big 10 was as good as the sec gave indiana a leg up... The fact is outside of their top 4, everybody sucks.. Big ten people are always bringing up losses and not wins. Why? Because his conference lacks opportunities for big wins and even intermediate wins
Wonder if the reaction to this game changes a bit since it’s now know to be the closest first round game despite game control clearly favoring one team
I guess with the logic I've heard previously Tennessee did not belong in the playoff because they got blown out so how could teams in the same conference ranked below them deserve in??? I believe Tennessee did deserve to be in but had a bad game so how come these other teams don't get the same courtesy? Is it because they don't play in the same conference?
My feeling before the game is the same as it is now. Indiana deserved to be in the playoff, they just weren't good enough to be in the playoff. Not the first time we've seen this in college football, and it won't be the last. I suspect there are at least two more this year.
@@mervyngreene6687bama was ranked 11th and sitting at home. We don’t have the best 12. We have a DEI playoff. This is why you are talking about deserved v good enough
@@Fred-t8q That is a very good point. They deserved to be in the playoffs as the 11th seed. PLEASE don't show this to my brother! Or, any of my cousins in Jefferson and Tuscaloosa County, Alabama!
We are Indiana. The losingest football program in the country. Before this year I hadn't gone to a game since 1981. Before this year Lee Corso was our best coach leading us to our 1st bowl win in 1979. For the 1st time in my 60 years I have purchased season tickets for next season. 11 -2....hmm better than Alabama, Texas A&M and Ole Miss...2 horrible losses in games we weren't competitive in...we can handle losing. We are learning what winning is all about and how we have to step up to the next level. When we win a championship, we can look at this team as the foundation of something beautiful...until then, go Notre Dame I hope you win it all this year!
Better than Alabama, A&M, and Ole Miss in raw wins and losses only. Any sensible person could predict the outcome if Indiana played any of those teams. Having said that, I think it's great that the Indiana fan base is rejuvenated. I think it's terrible to go into a season thinking it's already a lost-cause.
Wait I thought you were joking about being better than bammer, and ole piss. The sc chickens would mop the floor with yall. No disrespect yall are a great story. I like cignetti, but wait till you see what we’re going to do with the ☘️
Corso was better than Mallory? I think not. More entertaining, yes. I love Corso, but Mallory did amazing things with very little institutional support. Hoepner laid the foundation for where IU football has evolved, but clearly there is work yet to do.
lol you guys were fake contenders who beat a bunch of BUMPKINS and basically was saved by other teams in front of you losing. Indiana would get killed by either of those teams you named haha go buckeyes!! Oh ya remember that game? You guys looked fake af your roster is full of James Madison transfers hahaha
So we going to talk about that Tennessee game? Strength of Schedule matters. And I don't think that Indiana is a better team than them. They got walloped too, and I don't think that that walloping is going to be used to say that they never belonged.
OSU ceiling is far superior to ND. If you dont agree to that, you are ignorant AF. If you know that, TN actually competed as well, if not better than Indiana. If OSU plays ND, both are at their best. OSU wins by 21+. I hate TN, but the talent on this OSU team should beat the best teams in the county by 8+ points easily.
LOL, when they beat Georgia, come back, but they're going to be playing a much better team next week than a team with a crap strength of schedule team. Indiana was exposed again as being a fraud and should have never been there.
@@DennisCoffman-dd8ok Okay, I have NEVER been a Notre Dame fan. I REALLY hate the whole "Touchdown Jesus" thing. HOWEVER, Notre Dame is probably one of the three best teams in the country! They should have been the fifth seeded team.
If you only went by SOS, ND could have been left out of this year's playoffs. Those schedules are made well in advance and if your opponents aren't up to the task, you shouldn't be penalized. Obviously, ND deserves to be in the hunt. There isn't a magic solution. There are sweeps in the World Series, Super Bowls that are blowouts...it happens.
Blow outs happen in the playoffs every year I don’t know why people are saying Indiana didn’t belong. They earned a spot, they’re just not one of the top teams in the country
Indiana definitely didn't belong, nor deserve it. This is what happens when you play no one during the season, and lose to the only decent team you play.
I agree. Even with 4 teams. Clemson vs Notre Dame, Clemson vs Oklahoma, LSU vs Oklahoma, Alabama vs Michigan State, Oregon vs Florida State, there have been plenty of blowouts much worse then this.
I don’t know who lied to you Josh, but 32.4 is a number you have ran far enough with now. It’s time to put it down. The freezing point of water is exactly 32°F. It’s not 32.4°F. It’s 32°F
So Josh is off on his number slightly. Yeah it's funny, but give him a break. His metaphor still works even if his info is slightly off. This is a sports show not a physics lesson. Show some grace.
Josh! You are literally the best coverage in CFB… but please join us and Bic that dome. You will be a Pate State All-Star with a Bic head look. Total R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Whattt??? We’ve rarely heard such gobbledygook as so called analysis…. “Indiana should be in the CFP, but being in it shows they shouldn’t have been in & that the committee that they should focus on strength of schedule… a 8& 3 team is better than Indiana (that got slammed by VANDERBILT) just because they are a historically dwindling team named Alabama or, so Carolina… blah blah blah.” Oh, & then the either dishonest or ignorant discussion of how Vegas Odds makers should determine the CFP. What a jackarse idea. The bias in Vegas odds just by how the odds work in favor of big names & teams which naturally benefits the quickly dwindling in “strength” B1🤪 & SEC. On the + side, we got some great laughs out of listening to this sports minded person stuck in the last century🤣😂
@WeknowhoUR u obviously don't listen. He said Vegas oddmakers should distinguish strength of schedule that the committee then would use as an appropriate metric...
and the statement about Indiana is straight up truth. They based on a 12 game resume deserved to be ranked in, not only for being 11-1 but for whipping 10 teams out of 12 on there schedule badly. But seeing them get beat once made it so definitively clear they don't meet the freeze point that they would have to meet as a playoff team. The problem for IU was that they didn't have a second time in the regular season to test the freeze point until the playoff.
I feel sorry for the Indiana players. Best season they’ve ever had and they didn’t even get a bowl game. Just a cold and an ass whooping. Now they gotta ride on a bus 😭 damn
Given the result of the game already sending them home, it might as well have been a Bowl Game. So they have no reason to complain. They still got a postseason.
Too bad however it's not a coast to coast bus ride. 5 days of misery. As a frquent Trailways flyer, i know what I'm talking about. Those buses are pergatory. Time stands still and you lose your mind after about 400 miles.
Weird. No instant reaction for Tennessee taking it up all the way to their stomach, Mr Pate? You gonna Wax poetic to us about how the SEC is just built different and are so elite when it’s them that gets blown out?
I remember when Love was nearly clear of all the IU defense on that run and I very calmly told my wife, "He's going to the house." It's just EXPECTED. The dude is insane even when he's not totally healed and recovering from a cold.
Before the game, I said Indiana at minimum should be in the bubble conversation. Was always weird to me that they were just presumed to be in without ever proving they belonged in the upper echelon.
@@nathank556Purdue is not good coming from a big 10 guy i completely understand why Indiana got in but completely disagree with the logic as to why they got in Josh pate says it all the time you are not always what your record says you are in cfb
It is not true they were always presumed to be in. There was a legitimate conversation before the OSU game of how far they would fall if they lost. They did it and then only felt 3 or 4 spots. At that point then yes. They would obviously be in. There wouldn't be another opportunity to downgrade them.
Loved Indiana's grit and they were a great story this year. They belonged in the playoff because they earned it, instead of "giving" a spot to miami or some random sec team.
This was the best game of the 4 first round games. Best CFB atmosphere. Best and loudest and hostile crowd. Best fans. Best energy. Best hype. Best showmanship Hell of a game to kick off the expansion era. Historical! ND went crazy!
Glad Josh brought up the aggression of Indiana. I never truly watched an Indiana game this season. It blew my mind watching their return man continuously fair catch it at the like 10-15 yard line where ND was taking it out of the endzone. And on offense, they seemed to never switch gears, even when getting behind the sticks. Run on 1st and 2nd, try a 3rd down pass play that's a 1 on 1 match up to their best guy.
Respectfully Josh, what do you say about Notre Dame strength of schedule and them making the college football playoff? By your argument for keeping Indiana out of the college football playoff altogether.
@@dashantyler1475 the point is both Indiana and ND have equally mediocre SOS. Before last night, both in the high 50s/low 60s. They both were 11-1. And Indiana had a much better loss. They both deserved to be in, but you can’t say just because of last night Indiana should have ever had a chance of being left out
Indiana just needs players that are bigger, faster and stronger. It would not shock me to see Cignetti win a national championship someday. I don't know if he can do it at Indiana.
That's the whole big 10's problem... no speed at all positions... thats why the SEC pounds Big 10 teams 95% of the time..... it's a issue that those schools outside of a OSU that never gets addressed... yes there are isolated times where a big 10 player has great speed but overall its definitely a Big 10 weakness
Please tell me when strength of schedule is actually going to matter because this committee failed to recognize strength of schedule, even though they said that it was going to be included in their decisions.
Everyone who hates the fact that IU, Clemson, SMU, ASU, etc. got into the playoff's ideal college football playoff lineup: 1. Bama 2. Alabama 3. University of Alabama 4. The University of Alabama 5. THE Bama 6. The university in Tuscaloosa 7. Auburn's biggest rival 8. The team Bear Bryant used to coach 9. The team Nick Saban used to coach 10. The team Forrest Gump played for 11. Georgia 12. Tennessee The last 2 teams may be substituted for the Crimson Tide, and the team with an elephant mascot, respectively.
Nah, we just want teams that actually earned a shot, not teams that sleepwalked through a cupcake schedule and lost to the only ranked team they played, and only beat one team with a winning record.
Vandy and Oklahoma are second tier SEC teams this year. OU maybe third tier. They both could've run the table with Indiana's schedule. They have the athletes to at least challenge OSU. If Vandy and OU are bad teams so is Indiana.
Dude, I didn’t say ND had a weather advantage, I said their game plan was to beat the shit out of them regardless of the weather. If you could read and comprehend.
Dude, I never said there was a weather advantage. I said the game plan was for ND to beat the shit out of the other team regardless of the weather. If you could read and comprehend.
Notre Dame played well, actually better than I thought they would . I have no problem with Indiana being in the playoff. In terms of the payoff structure the real problem is the imbalance of conference strength, more than the structure itself . I still love college football!!
Not an "SEC" fan. Fan of an SEC team. We've been beating TN like this for years, even when they had better QB play. I do think OSU at their best, is the beast team this year. This is not the year to judge a team off their best. Enjoy the win we've been seeing for years. OSU should win the Natty. Will they? Who knows? After this year, maybe Arizona (doubtful) will.
Break up the mega conferences, this is an inevitability with the current day ACC, SEC, and Big 10. It still won't be perfect but teams will have to perform at minimum against the best teams in their conference to make the playoff.
This is why I'm rooting for the big 10 to get wiped out... That would majorly screw up the networks plans for an NFC vs AFC college football league which is where we are headed currently
listed below are the teams records that Indiana beat this season. 1.) FIU who fired its coach and finished 4-8 in the C-USA of all things. 2.) Western Illinois… to easy. 3.) UCLA who fired it’s OC and finished 5-7 in the mid 10 conference. 4.) Charlotte who also fired its coach (I’m sensing a pattern here) who finished… you guessed it 5-7 in the American. 5.) Maryland who finished next to last in the Mid 10 conference who ended with a 4-8 season. 6.) Northwestern who finished 3rd from last in the Mid 10 conference who also ended the year with a 4-8 season. Patterns are forming here. 7.) Nebraska who finished this year at 6-6 in the Mid 10 Conference who only proceeded to win one more game after losing to Indy. 8.) Washington who finished 6-6. Patterns… 9.) Michigan State who finished 5-7… really good schedule so far. 10.) Michigan… hey finally a good win… a 7-5 team… by 5 points at home… 5 points… 11.) Purdue… the worst power 4 team in America who finished 1-11 on the year. The one regular season loss was 38-15 to Ohio State and anyone who watched that game will tell you there was never any doubt Ohio State was going to win. Just admit it. Indiana was a media darling because they we’re different. Nobody actually thought they were a legit contender for this thing. Alabama, Ole Miss, South Carolina, heck even Miami all deserved it over Indy. No offense. I like Indy personally. They just didn’t deserve it.
@@Capadona40and this is the argument why they shouldn't. IU ducked Oregon, PSU, and Iowa. They lost to OSU. Their best win was Michigan who was only such because they beat OSU, which further drilled down that Indiana wasn't that good (OSU is far from the juggernaut they were supposed to be). If IU went undefeated they'd be in 100%. Heck, if they beat OSU but lost to Michigan they should be in. But you shouldn't get brownie points for beating a bunch of terrible teams in your conference and losing to the only quality ones you play. I would 100% make the same argument for Texas and PSU who are in the same boat. Neither should've made it but they did because of their logos. The 3 SEC teams with 3 losses all have vastly superior wins to either of them.
@@Commentleaver-c6x that has to do with players not a whole program and we don’t have any starting freshman so that won’t effect us at all as long as we get a good QB in the portal
We should expect the 1st round and maybe the 2nd round will be blowouts this year and future years. It will happen year in and year out. 12 teams are too many if you want closer games. But, if we want more "meaningful" games in later weeks of the season than this is just the way it will always be, except for an occasional close game.
@@brucetucker4847 Joel Klatt got outed as a pretty spectacular moron by this result, given that he FLAT OUT CALLED FOR AN INDIANA UPSET OF THE IRISH just last night!!! lol
I remember in 2021 when my wolverines ran into GA in rnd 1 and got ran through.. sometimes the moment is too big for teams their first time in. I think Indiana with only a single loss on the season deserved their shot. They just didn’t have it. It was too big and so was ND lol. That’s how I felt about M in 21’. If they can keep it rolling, they will improve next go round. I don’t feel bad for them.. now they know how far they have left to go. Let’s see if they can build on it. ND is GA is going to be a Game!!
Expect Michigan beat a few top 10 teams that season and won the big 10 to earn their spot in the playoffs. And had a proven big dog Head coach who is currently the top 3 coaches alive.
@ not even close. Maybe more skilled, but deserving?! when you drop a terd the way they did against OU, lose by over 20 to a .500 team and don’t even score a TD? The Vandy loss I can excuse and say, yeah, probably.. but that was one of the worst performances of the year by ANY team. Way before Tide standards. I like Bama, but I cannot agree with that. I would say the same if it had been my Wolverines. Can’t play like that and get in. Combined with 2 other losses.. nope. Can’t do it.
Best performance of the night is the Disney executives who convinced the masses that the 4 team playoff system was broken cause teams got robbed, then the #8 team in the rankings gets spanked by #5 and they get millions of dollars from it. Bernie Madoff-esque moneymaking abilities from them
Whoever convinced us these teams were top 10 teams were the real heroes.....imagine convincing someone of that back in 2014/2015...you'd be laughed out of the room.
@@canyonoverlook9937College football isn’t the NFL. Don’t know why people want to turn it into it. Different levels of play all around the country, we can’t just act like all the conferences are the same like you can divisions in the NFL
@@squires32 All divisions aren't the same in the NFL. I agree all conferences aren't the same. I like larger playoffs. A 24 team playoff would be good. They have 40 teams in the lower divisions.
What I’d like to see in the future is teams like BYU that have beat ranked teams, have played tougher schedules and only 2 losses to get more love then teams with only one loss but haven’t beat top 25 teams
Aaaaand fake UT got embarrassed worse than both IU and SMU COMBINED. The only thing more embarrassing than fake UT's play today is Josh's garbage takes.
All the comments I've made on these football channels talking about how undeserving Indiana was to be in the playoff are aging like wine. They did literally nothing this year but blowout terrible teams. And the warning signs were there when they got absolutely destroyed by Ohio State. Yet the committee just blindly looked at the loss column and put them safely in. Anyone else below them even all the way down to #25 would have given Notre Dame a better game.
Who was more deserving, then? The teams that didn't make it all had awful losses. I think Miami has a legitimate argument, but everyone else has egregious losses.
@@nathank556bad losses but awesome wins. Gotta look at both sides of the spectrum. To me, it was obvious that these SEC teams that were in question on are better than IU and SMU. Unfortunately people are tired of teams like Bama and the SEC getting in, so they settled for a good B10 without zero quality wins and this is the result. Hopefully people learn their lesson so we don’t have to experience this again
Maybe we should bring back the BCS formula. At least it had a strength of schedule component in it. It's not perfect, but better than what we got this year.
@@CroMagJohnsonone highly boring game. Both teams looked like high school teams. Both defenses are just that good? C’mon now, you can’t argue with what we all saw tonight. Inept offenses, terrible QB play, laughable coaching decisions, terrible special teams play.
Oh, this is just the beginning, it will get worse before its over!!! I'm still amazed that no one has mentioned that the 15th ranked team beat the 16th ranked team to get in and get a 1st round buy! That is just absolutely amazing to me!!!
We ask who did IU beat during the season. We could ask that same question for other teams in the playoffs as well. I do not think it will ever be fair based on SOS or conferences.
Defense is legit, most people don’t know football, much less college. Despite this defense having a good junk of veteran starters injured that haven’t played the entire season or since the first two weeks of the season, I’d say it’s a testament to the key places that stayed healthy & the freshmen stepping up. The are especially strong in the Nickel, which is something half the country is just not good at. The stats are there against teams that were gonna “upset” them or expected to have explosive offenses that they’d struggle with. No matter what, you’ll get MD hate from zoomer fans mostly, who like their conferences & team, but genuinely have no idea what’s going on during the game/what happening during plays. However, depth is the key here with already all the injuries they’ve sustained since the beginning, can those starters keep going if NDs offense can keep them off the field for enough rest. There run is game is good, solid group of backs and the freshmen on o-line who stepped in due to injuries have filled in well, but the QB & WR core isn’t where it should be. The offense needs to step up there game and figure it out or NDs defense (or any defense) can only do so much if their constantly back on the field.
@@DKHurricane14you act like it’s the first year a team turned out to not be as good as we thought. They went 11-1 in the B10. They “deserved” and were “good” enough to get there.
Josh - Can Fandual calculate the probability of an upset, or what the upset probability was for this year vs other years? It’s seems like there have been a lot of upsets this year. Maybe why it wasn’t a great year for the Ramon noodle express? It would be interesting if there was an upset index - well maybe just interesting for nerds. It would be interesting to be able to apply it to past seasons to determine which had the most upsets and or biggest upsets. Maybe when the games aren’t being played during training season.
That's why the format doesn't work. Notre Dame should have had a bye because they are the 4th ranked team. Indiana would have played Boise State in the first round in a straight 12 format. That's would have been a better first-round game
Does 4th or 5th really matter? Technically, Notre Dame accepted a max 5th seed spot because they play one less game. If they are an elite championship caliber team then they can endure playing an extra opponent in the playoffs to offset the lost game in the season no?
@ if we have a top 12 format then they would be ranked wherever they ranked at the end of the season. Either way it they are ranked 4th or 5th they aren't playing Indiana in the first round
So half of the sec should be in the top 12? Even if 3 of those teams have lost a total of 9 games? Talent be damned, shouldn’t consistency and execution matter at some point? If not, why do we even play these games?
@@drizzle452They play much tougher teams, that's the difference. Bama would be undefeated with Indiana or NDs schedule. Indiana would have 4 or 5 losses minimum playing in the SEC
@supersanic1254 So much speculation. Maybe some day sec teams will be motivated to play better nonconference games and hang more Ls on those non sec teams.
Great year for IU. They should be proud and I think they have a really bright future with Cig. They are going to start making waves in recruiting and will be another quality team for the Big 10. Just in time to secure their spot in conference for the future
quality breakdown. so tired of uninformed talking heads on Football and College football in general. You forgot to mention the CFP committee needs to get rid of the Conference championships byes. Pure Rank of 1-12 and of course conf champs teams factor in but how is Boise and Arizona state get a bye and Oregons reward for being the best team in college football a rematch with maybe the closest roster to theirs and Penn state gets maybe two walks in a park. Total joke. Go Irish !!!!
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Great analysis. I also cover NCAA Hockey and they use a pairwise formula that includes a SOS component to determine the field of 16. Why wouldn't college football want to adopt something similar? I know some may not want a computer setting the field and like an argument about who the last teams in should be, but if we're in the business of getting things right, why not something mathematical?
Great show, I've been saying Indiana doesn't deserve to be in and honestly the committee's crystal ball was the Ohio State game, I believe SMU and Clemson are about to have the same thing done to them and the Notre Dame Indiana game was just to see who gets slaughtered by Georgia anyways. There are a lot of mediocre teams in this year
@@Senorpepinill0so real lol
Josh, I agree, but at about 12:40, we start to disagree. We only know bama is flawed because they played competition. Playing noone hides ur flaws. If u give bama, IUs schedule. They would get in but they would still be that flawed team. Sos should carry more weight. I don't want to see everyone trying not to play anyone.
So, since Ohio State just destroyed Tennessee, I guess that means the SEC is no where near being the same "caliber" that would suggest needing four 9-3 teams in the playoffs because you think their schedule is tough.
Josh pate dreading the upload button for the Ohio state Tennessee review
Indiana has played 2 ranked teams and got dominated in both games. .
thanks, captain obvious
Ok, so what? One is in a playoff game, some playoff games are blowouts.
@@slimmdusty8809they shouldn’t be because they are putting in the most deserving teams instead of the best teams
@@nicholashardin3704 Doesn’t mean there won’t be blowouts at times, especially with a 12 team playoff. Sorry it was I guess, but you don’t leave a 12-1 P4 team out when the other teams in contention couldn’t win the necessary games.
@@slimmdusty8809 The only reason IU ended the regular season at 11-1 is because they played a soft schedule. Should everyone start scheduling as many creampuffs as possible? Or will we reward teams that choose to play strong opposition?
Indiana never had a chance in this game
They did when they got that first INT. But that was very short-lived. So yeah never really had a chance.
People were pretending hard though they did. And we have better teams sitting at home
@@EXOmakemeHorolologuess they shouldn’t have lost games?
They did, but Cig sure does like to get his guys punched in the mouth with his big mouth
Their run defense was non-existent.
Indiana got their ass handed to them.
@@dominickowalczyk8253 I am laughing as I see Notre Dame out class Indiana. What if Penn State is mediocre. What if Oregon is just slightly less mediocre. And what if Indiana just didn't really play anybody except Ohio State after they lost their best two offensive lineman?
What is a seemingly middling year in the SEC was actually a log jam of five different SEC teams that could dominate the Big ten? When SMU beats Penn State.... Ohio State will be watching those events with doubt growing exponentially in the back of their mind. We are about to outclass them. They get all this talent on paper. I think people who don't mind contact and want competition go to the SEC. The players that transfer to Ohio State just want money and an easier route via lesser competition. Ohio State doesn't develop those good recruits that they get, That's why they had to bring in lots of guys and all those guys mostly started. By recruiting standards, they should only need minimal (IF ANY) portal transfers. They trying to get as many portal transfers as Ole Miss!
Ryan Day is Butch Jones with a beard. He is uninspiring and the reason they are soft. That's the reason for 2-14 versus SEC! Iron sharpens iron. Ohio State simply outclasses everybody and the only team to really challenge them is Michigan, The only team that has equivalent talent. They don't have to try hard against other people, so it's really hard for them to turn it on at a moment's notice after Tennessee has run the gauntlet of SEC competition. South Carolina, Ole Miss, Alabama, I honestly think Auburn could beat Ohio State.
agreed, but I hate that ND gave up the 2 late TDs.
Here's what I predict from the ND naysayers: 1) Indiana isn't that good because they lost to Notre Dame (no true Scotsman logical fallacy). 2) Notre Dame isn't that good because they only beat Indiana by 10. (Moving the goalposts logical fallacy).
@@bigneiltoosome might. But most of us knew Indiana wasn’t that good beforehand. So yeah Notre Dame had a good win over an overrated team but they still do have something to prove in terms of beating great teams. They’ll get a shot to prove it against Georgia
@@icandoallthings5326 No True Scotsman logical fallacy. Funny how ND is the FAVORITE against Georgia who you pretend is "elite".
You can argue that Indiana deserved to be there, but Miami, Bama, Ole Miss, and South Carolina are all better teams than Indiana and nobody really doubts that.
agreed but long term I like decisions like this bc one day a longshot team like Indianna is gonna upset a couple teams and that payoff will be legendary lol
Ok. Win your games and you will be in.
@@slushymatis It's hard to "win your games" when you play in a deep conference.
Schedule mostly cupcakes. Don’t take much risk and you are in. It’s really that simple guys. Oh, but don’t you’ll love the parity.
@ Indiana doesn’t pick their schedule Lol. There’s 12 spots, if your team can’t grab one it’s their own fault
Half the country said Indiana was overrated and never deserved to make it
Both can be true at the same time. Indiana WAS overrated... but they still deserved to make it, because they only lost one game, against a Top Ten opponent. They beat the pants off of everybody else. Even MICHIGAN couldn't handle Cignetti's boys! What everyone is overlooking about this game is that the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame were UNDERRATED, by only being named the 7 Seed...
I believe it was more. Except for Bloomington
Yep, we said it over and over again, so did everyone else. This was a political decision by the committee!!!
@@jacob4920exactly
Indiana still deserved to be there
That Indiana kickoff onside recovery and TD made score closer than it actually was.
The scoreboard lies about how lopsided and hopeless this game actually was for Indiana. That's the one thing Josh Pate said that I absolutely agree with! If you saw the game, you know damn well that the final score was just "window dressing," and that the Hoosiers never had any hope of competing in this game at all, until ND put in its' second stringers on defense and special teams.
It was 27-3 with 4 min left, and could have easily been 35-3 of the Irish wanted to score TDs. ND shut down to vanilla offense when it was 14-0 to save playbook for UGA. They were playing passive precent defense that allowed an IU TD with 2 min left, then an inside and another prevent TD.
@@TheLearningCatalystCoach so indiana could have lost by a larger margin than alabama did against oklahoma, but didn't?
@@DBRooperAlabama would have athletes that challenged ND. ND just toyed with Indiana
@@GMS8201 Alabama lost to 2 different unranked 6-6 teams. Has been bama isn't doing shit against anyone!
We’ve always had blowouts even with the 4 team playoff. Most of the semifinals and championships were not competitive. Last years natty, Georgia vs TCU, Alabama vs OSU 2020, LSU vs Clemson, Alabama vs Clemson 2018, and Oregon vs OSU. Games like this will continue to happen even with the expansion.
Bama vs. Notre Dame lol
Roughly 1/3 of the CFP games in a 4 team playoff were a 1 score game.
@@sebastienc.2257Lmao. I forgot about that one.
And who could forget such terrible games like Georgia vs Michigan, Alabama vs Michigan State, Alabama vs Washington, and that time Clemson shut down Ohio State 31-0.
You forgot Clemson over OSU, Oklahoma, and ND. We will see even more blowouts in the expansion. It’s why I was against expanding. I could have seen going to 8 teams, but this 12 and soon to be 16 is a bit crazy. I’m a Clemson fan and no I don’t think we are a playoff team, but here we are. Do they have a chance today? Yes, but it will take playing the best game of the year.
These super conferences create vast differences in strength of schedule
Facts, 10-12 teams would ideal.
I agree, it doesn't make any sense. You have 18 teams in the big 10 and you only play half of them. How do you get a true champion
@@JohnMandock exactly.
@pokesNTexans indiana didn't even play Penn, state or Oregon in their conference. Think about that what a joke
@@JohnMandock I agree. But to blame the playoff for putting in an 11-1 team is not the problem. We need 10-12 team conferences where things can get sorted out
After watching Tennessee get rolled by OSU,
Are we really gonna try and say Bama or Ole Miss would've done better?
bama and ole miss were better if you watched the games. They choked for sure but they were better. Just like ohio state was the best team in the country but choked twice
@ Bama was better?
You mean, the same bama boxed by OU? The same bama that lost to this same Tennessee team? Sure bud
Tennessee simply got rolled. It can happen in any game. OSU came out with their hair on fire after getting dunked on for two weeks (and Tennessee fans trolling). But thinking Bama wouldn't have done better just because they lost to Tennessee is akin to saying Indiana would beat OSU just because Indiana beat Michigan (and OSU didn't).
actual final score 27-3
But it wasn't actually the final score.
Yes it was
@@edwardference3979 the actual final score is the actual final score
Tell that to Vegas
Nope. There was no indication that Notre Dame was relaxing and they gave up 14 more points.
Cant wait to see your take on how Tennessee didn’t deserve to be in the playoff, you’re right truly no cinderellas! I think Vandy should have made it personally (I mean look who they played! They play in the SEC!!!)
I think we’re giving the committee too much credit to think they’ll learn anything from this.
What is there to learn. Leave them out they blow out some team in the pop tart bowl and we are left eith what if?
Strength of schedule will be a topic next year. It was simply left out this year. IU would probably not win 5 games in SEC
They didn’t learn from the TCU georgia game, and SMU is currently getting wrecked as well.
What’s the excuse for Tennessee getting embarrassed?
@kevinmoraghan2088 Absolutely none, Ohio State had a better game plan and executed it almost to perfection. Tennessee gotta learn that if it doesn't work don't keep trying!
IU played better than TN. Look how they stacked up against common opponents. Look at final record.
It felt like IU fell into the same trap Ohio State did against Michigan. They wanted to prove they could run the ball against a strong opponent and played right into ND's hands
Indiana's QB had a pretty lousy game as well, so even if they had abandoned the run game, I'm not sure that would have made any difference. Notre Dame was simply in a different class, with their defense.
Mighta been worse if they let Rourke throw all over the place. Cmon now. Indiana just ain’t cut out for it
They did TRY to throw the ball, they just couldn't.
Notre Dame does have a really good Defense, so let's give them a little more credit. They took the Hoosier's passing game away.
And I made comments all week leading up to the game that the ONLY THING that mattered in this game were this:
Could Indiana handle Notre Dame's Offensive and Defensive Lines?
For the most part, they couldn't.
I am not going to downplay Indiana's season. They had a terrific season and I won't take anything away from them.
However, this game was a very clear indication of the Talent disparity between the 2 teams.
Good luck going forward, Hoosiers.
GO IRISH!!!
@@FlexApeal08 that narrative is provably false. They were dared to run the ball by having a light box. They still couldn't run. Number one rushing defense in the Big ten maybe.. SEC defenses are different you will see tomorrow.
@@Kevinyaheardexactly! They kept a light box and still couldn’t run against it. Made the passing game even more difficult
Tennessee is clearly NOT what their record says they are Josh! Is that how this works… Am I doing this right?
This will be remembered by future Committee when putting together future playoff brackets.
Well this playoff is only set for this year and next year so no one knows what this thing will look like in 2026
No it won’t. They will make that mistake again
They won't need to remember this for long. The structure will continue to change until it's a B1G vs SEC pissing match
Hopefully so. Can't just blindly look at the loss column and say that a team is good when they've beaten literally no one all year.
We thought that about TCU. Too many people want DEI in CFB these days. It's not about who you play, just participate. 😐
Ya boring was good for our health
The problem I have is how cocky Indiana’s coach has been vs OSU and nd tonight he got beat man like bruh what you got going on
What are you talking about? I haven't watched anything with him, seen him speak to the press or do some kind of interview, or anything like that. So what was he saying?
Exactly. Before this game, he was saying how IU destroys top 25 teams. BS! IU had no business 😅n the CFP
@@jordantaylor1042
His interview on GameDay was cringe worthy. He literally said "we don't just beat top 25 teams, we beat the sh!t out of them!". Apparently referring to the 1 week Nebraska snuck into the top 25 for a few minutes. He sounded like a HS JV coach trying to impress some chicks. His arrogant "tough guy" persona was exposed. But kudos to him, he used his soft as a baby's bottom powderpuff schedule and parlays it into a long term multi millions $$ contract. When the schedule gets tougher and he goes 7-5, people will be chuckling.
Dude, IU football has been completely irrelevant in this state except for the one year Micheal penix was here then left. They were expected to be a bottom 5 team this year and was a top 5 big ten team. As a Hoosier fan, Cignetti can say whatever he wants, he earned it this year and wait for the next 5 years. Just getting started
He's just trying to instill confidence in a way less talented roster. Cocky and confidence often get confused.
It was a snoozer. Thanks CFP committee!
How about some credit for ND?
Impossible
i didn't find the game boring....maybe it was just me.
It was you and 14 other low pulse viewers...lol
Cut the shit down in the third quarter, lol earlier meaningless bowl games was more fun than this nonsense.
Yeah Indiana didn’t look like they belong. The offense was non existent for the majority of the game. Even though ND has one of the best defenses but at least score more than 3 in 3.5 quarters
Was just you. Turned it off in the third. This was bad football. Indiana just was a mid at best team and refused to adjust. ND wasn't impressive. They just had better talent and won due to that. The game wasn't fun, it was very basic and bland.
Keep the same energy for Tennessee
Crazy to think this was actually the closest game
It's now 30 hours later and we have a 4 game sample size.
I could only wish that this would tamp down the (further) expansion talk.
But, money does what money does.
Strength of Schedule should be given much more weight in determining what teams are better and should be ranked higher. I hope that the folks that make these decisions give Strength of Schedule increasing importance going forward.
The problem is... there's no universally agreed upon SOS across college football. Everyone calculates SOS differently.
You can’t give SOS so much weight that wins and losses don’t matter tho
And we are dealing with 18-22 year olds. One week they play great and the next they don’t. SOS is harder gage with a dynamic range of quality of play each week. Plus factoring in injuries causes our data to be muddied even further. You have a major iid problem, so using statistical analysis like strength of schedule won’t provide the value you think it will.
@ If autobids are given out to conference champs, the rest of the at large bids should be held to a higher standard. Or, what happens when an 8-5 conference champ gets in?
The problem is agreeing on a SOS model that most can agree on. It is NOT public knowledge on how the committee measures SOS. ESPN's FPI, The Sagarin Ratings, Colley Matrix, Massey Ratings, Billingsley Ranking are all calculated differently.
Sagarin uses a universal formula across all of the FBS in an attempt to eliminate bias. The problem with wins and losses only mattering is that they give equal value to Arkansas & Arkansas State, Michigan & Central Michigan, and so on. An example of this is when Oregon was ranked higher than Washington in their final poll last year. Despite Washington winning head to head. It was the fact that Oregon had a higher margin of victory in a major bowl game against Liberty than Washington did in its major bowl over Texas. Then Washington played an extra game that hurt them mathematically.
College Football Network has Michigan as their #1 SOS. They get a boost because Arkansas State went 7-5. But if they played 6-6 Arkansas, mathematically, that would've hurt their SOS. But which would have been a tougher match-up?
The truth is, people pick and go with a SOS that favors their team or situation.
And also strength of conference
Thank god one of those 9-3 SEC teams didn’t get in because Tennessee just got absolutely destroyed and the SEC is looking extremely sus rn if you didn’t think they were already
Ha ha absolutely. Laney boy post anything on X after that game last night?
I'm sure Ole Miss or SCAR would have competed better. At least would have made adjustments.
Ole Miss is actually a good team, Lane is both a strength and a weakness at the same time. If he'd just take the points, their record would reflect the team talent more.
If you watched them, you'd know that.
And what about Texas?
Same energy for Tennessee?
10:30 really we are still crying about a Bama team that scored a field goal on Oklahoma still, wow.
Exactly sorry I weighed getting smashed by a disgustingly mediocre Oklahoma…probably the physically worst beatdown Bama has had in the regular season in almost two decades and little cherry on top was that Vandy lose. Enjoy the couch…South Carolina would’ve deserved the spot more at least they lost tight games to ranked opponents and only have one black eye loss to Florida
@@JohnnyGingy SC lost to Bama..
😂😂😂
@@Bam_Bam_Bam_Bam they sure did, a close game and they got 10 times better after that. Can you say the same thing after Bama lost to Vandy lol
Waiting on Josh Pate to say the same thing about Tennessee.
I honestly think the marketing campaign to convince people the big 10 was as good as the sec gave indiana a leg up...
The fact is outside of their top 4, everybody sucks..
Big ten people are always bringing up losses and not wins. Why? Because his conference lacks opportunities for big wins and even intermediate wins
Honestly the big ten only has 3 decent teams. The rest may as well be MAC teams. Indiana will never sniff another playoff berth in our lifetime.
I think we're seeing that a 8 team playoff is plenty.
We don't need a 3 loss National Champion.
Hey I'm from eastern Indiana. It was great to see these two play in this momentous game!! Beautiful. Go Irish beat Georgia!!!😊❤
Fighting Irish can get the win over Georgia, BUT cannot let CARSON BECK be free all night. Have to keep him sacked
Wonder if the reaction to this game changes a bit since it’s now know to be the closest first round game despite game control clearly favoring one team
I guess with the logic I've heard previously Tennessee did not belong in the playoff because they got blown out so how could teams in the same conference ranked below them deserve in??? I believe Tennessee did deserve to be in but had a bad game so how come these other teams don't get the same courtesy? Is it because they don't play in the same conference?
My feeling before the game is the same as it is now. Indiana deserved to be in the playoff, they just weren't good enough to be in the playoff. Not the first time we've seen this in college football, and it won't be the last. I suspect there are at least two more this year.
If your not good enough, how do you deserve to be in the playoffs
@@edwardference3979
IF it was one of the 12 best teams, it deserved to be in the playoffs. AND, it was good enough to be in the playoffs.
@@mervyngreene6687bama was ranked 11th and sitting at home. We don’t have the best 12. We have a DEI playoff. This is why you are talking about deserved v good enough
@@Fred-t8q
That is a very good point.
They deserved to be in the playoffs as the 11th seed.
PLEASE don't show this to my brother! Or, any of my cousins in Jefferson and Tuscaloosa County, Alabama!
Playing an easy schedule doesn’t mean you “deserve” to make the playoffs
We are Indiana. The losingest football program in the country. Before this year I hadn't gone to a game since 1981. Before this year Lee Corso was our best coach leading us to our 1st bowl win in 1979. For the 1st time in my 60 years I have purchased season tickets for next season. 11 -2....hmm better than Alabama, Texas A&M and Ole Miss...2 horrible losses in games we weren't competitive in...we can handle losing. We are learning what winning is all about and how we have to step up to the next level. When we win a championship, we can look at this team as the foundation of something beautiful...until then, go Notre Dame I hope you win it all this year!
Better than Alabama, A&M, and Ole Miss in raw wins and losses only. Any sensible person could predict the outcome if Indiana played any of those teams. Having said that, I think it's great that the Indiana fan base is rejuvenated. I think it's terrible to go into a season thinking it's already a lost-cause.
Great year, but probably weren't better than those 3 teams. Maybe A&M.
Wait I thought you were joking about being better than bammer, and ole piss. The sc chickens would mop the floor with yall. No disrespect yall are a great story. I like cignetti, but wait till you see what we’re going to do with the ☘️
Corso was better than Mallory? I think not. More entertaining, yes. I love Corso, but Mallory did amazing things with very little institutional support. Hoepner laid the foundation for where IU football has evolved, but clearly there is work yet to do.
lol you guys were fake contenders who beat a bunch of BUMPKINS and basically was saved by other teams in front of you losing. Indiana would get killed by either of those teams you named haha go buckeyes!! Oh ya remember that game? You guys looked fake af your roster is full of James Madison transfers hahaha
So we going to talk about that Tennessee game?
Strength of Schedule matters. And I don't think that Indiana is a better team than them. They got walloped too, and I don't think that that walloping is going to be used to say that they never belonged.
60% of this show is him explaining what the JP Poll, freeze point, and challi rating system is. Every dang episode.
Indiana looked like they belonged more than Tennessee did.
Indiana got beat
Tennessee got splattered
Tennessee out there looking like Kent state
Marshall put up more resistance
OSU ceiling is far superior to ND. If you dont agree to that, you are ignorant AF.
If you know that, TN actually competed as well, if not better than Indiana.
If OSU plays ND, both are at their best. OSU wins by 21+.
I hate TN, but the talent on this OSU team should beat the best teams in the county by 8+ points easily.
Tennessee competed fine once Ohio State put in their third stringers. 😂
Ohio State played their starters the whole game vs Indiana.
Here come the Irish!!! ✝️☘️
Dawgs eat Leprechauns.
LOL, when they beat Georgia, come back, but they're going to be playing a much better team next week than a team with a crap strength of schedule team. Indiana was exposed again as being a fraud and should have never been there.
@@DennisCoffman-dd8ok
Okay, I have NEVER been a Notre Dame fan. I REALLY hate the whole "Touchdown Jesus" thing.
HOWEVER, Notre Dame is probably one of the three best teams in the country!
They should have been the fifth seeded team.
@@DennisCoffman-dd8oky’all finna get dawg walked lol
@@mervyngreene6687they are NOT a top 5 team lol
Well, I guess Tennessee wasn't as good as their record either.
I wonder what the reaction will be to Tennessee.
If you only went by SOS, ND could have been left out of this year's playoffs. Those schedules are made well in advance and if your opponents aren't up to the task, you shouldn't be penalized. Obviously, ND deserves to be in the hunt. There isn't a magic solution. There are sweeps in the World Series, Super Bowls that are blowouts...it happens.
Blow outs happen in the playoffs every year I don’t know why people are saying Indiana didn’t belong. They earned a spot, they’re just not one of the top teams in the country
They may have earned it but they are not one of the 12 best teams.
@ The cfp isn’t set up to feature the 12 best teams. Just the auto bids existing takes it down to possibly the best 8 teams
Indiana definitely didn't belong, nor deserve it. This is what happens when you play no one during the season, and lose to the only decent team you play.
I agree. Even with 4 teams. Clemson vs Notre Dame, Clemson vs Oklahoma, LSU vs Oklahoma, Alabama vs Michigan State, Oregon vs Florida State, there have been plenty of blowouts much worse then this.
I don’t know who lied to you Josh, but 32.4 is a number you have ran far enough with now. It’s time to put it down. The freezing point of water is exactly 32°F. It’s not 32.4°F. It’s 32°F
But you get the point that he was making right?
@mbrownie22 that’s not this point. 32.4 Fahrenheit is not the freezing temperature of water. 32 is, not 32.4 or 32.01
lol yeah wtf is that??? The whole point of the freezing temperature is to tell you when water freezes.
So Josh is off on his number slightly. Yeah it's funny, but give him a break. His metaphor still works even if his info is slightly off. This is a sports show not a physics lesson. Show some grace.
It depends on other factors like atmospheric pressure and gravity which vary by time and location
Hope you enjoy your stay, here in Columbus. You’re at a nice spot, nice hotel. Go Irish!
1000 on spread last night ! Video 5 days ago says it all ! Great work !
I feel like 90% of the CFB analysts only watched the games so they could come on here and victory laps their takes
Josh! You are literally the best coverage in CFB… but please join us and Bic that dome. You will be a Pate State All-Star with a Bic head look. Total R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Whattt??? We’ve rarely heard such gobbledygook as so called analysis…. “Indiana should be in the CFP, but being in it shows they shouldn’t have been in & that the committee that they should focus on strength of schedule… a 8& 3 team is better than Indiana (that got slammed by VANDERBILT) just because they are a historically dwindling team named Alabama or, so Carolina… blah blah blah.” Oh, & then the either dishonest or ignorant discussion of how Vegas Odds makers should determine the CFP. What a jackarse idea. The bias in Vegas odds just by how the odds work in favor of big names & teams which naturally benefits the quickly dwindling in “strength” B1🤪 & SEC.
On the + side, we got some great laughs out of listening to this sports minded person stuck in the last century🤣😂
@WeknowhoUR u obviously don't listen. He said Vegas oddmakers should distinguish strength of schedule that the committee then would use as an appropriate metric...
and the statement about Indiana is straight up truth.
They based on a 12 game resume deserved to be ranked in, not only for being 11-1 but for whipping 10 teams out of 12 on there schedule badly. But seeing them get beat once made it so definitively clear they don't meet the freeze point that they would have to meet as a playoff team. The problem for IU was that they didn't have a second time in the regular season to test the freeze point until the playoff.
I feel sorry for the Indiana players. Best season they’ve ever had and they didn’t even get a bowl game. Just a cold and an ass whooping. Now they gotta ride on a bus 😭 damn
Better to get a playoff ass whooping than get whopped in a bowl game because your players opted out
@@pascho1057nahh an ass whoopin is an ass whoopin 💯
Given the result of the game already sending them home, it might as well have been a Bowl Game. So they have no reason to complain. They still got a postseason.
Too bad however it's not a coast to coast bus ride. 5 days of misery. As a frquent Trailways flyer, i know what I'm talking about. Those buses are pergatory. Time stands still and you lose your mind after about 400 miles.
What about the strength of Notre Dame's schedule?
Northern Illinois should have had Indiana's spot
@@theonlykogNo way
@@ChrisSadowski-pp1np Says Notre Dame fan ...🤣
@theonlykog I am a Denver bronco fan and a casual fan of college football.
@@theonlykoggood one 😂
Weird. No instant reaction for Tennessee taking it up all the way to their stomach, Mr Pate? You gonna Wax poetic to us about how the SEC is just built different and are so elite when it’s them that gets blown out?
I remember when Love was nearly clear of all the IU defense on that run and I very calmly told my wife, "He's going to the house." It's just EXPECTED. The dude is insane even when he's not totally healed and recovering from a cold.
Before the game, I said Indiana at minimum should be in the bubble conversation. Was always weird to me that they were just presumed to be in without ever proving they belonged in the upper echelon.
But they beat Purdue by 70 😂
@@nathank556Purdue is not good coming from a big 10 guy i completely understand why Indiana got in but completely disagree with the logic as to why they got in Josh pate says it all the time you are not always what your record says you are in cfb
@kungfukhi2378 my point exactly.
It is not true they were always presumed to be in. There was a legitimate conversation before the OSU game of how far they would fall if they lost. They did it and then only felt 3 or 4 spots. At that point then yes. They would obviously be in. There wouldn't be another opportunity to downgrade them.
@@brunosultanum we’re clearly talking about the conversation after the regular season heading into conference championship weekend
I said this to myself last night about the fact they were playing not to get blown out
And they did
Loved Indiana's grit and they were a great story this year. They belonged in the playoff because they earned it, instead of "giving" a spot to miami or some random sec team.
This was the best game of the 4 first round games. Best CFB atmosphere. Best and loudest and hostile crowd. Best fans. Best energy. Best hype. Best showmanship Hell of a game to kick off the expansion era. Historical! ND went crazy!
Glad Josh brought up the aggression of Indiana. I never truly watched an Indiana game this season. It blew my mind watching their return man continuously fair catch it at the like 10-15 yard line where ND was taking it out of the endzone. And on offense, they seemed to never switch gears, even when getting behind the sticks. Run on 1st and 2nd, try a 3rd down pass play that's a 1 on 1 match up to their best guy.
Respectfully Josh, what do you say about Notre Dame strength of schedule and them making the college football playoff? By your argument for keeping Indiana out of the college football playoff altogether.
Notre Dame played and beat 4 ranked teams this year
@@ronniethomas8780 only 3/4 of those teams are ranked come the end of the year. Probably 4/4 after the final poll since Army lost to Navy
Texas is a better case for your argument
ND BEAT 8 BOWL TEAMS
@@dashantyler1475 the point is both Indiana and ND have equally mediocre SOS. Before last night, both in the high 50s/low 60s. They both were 11-1. And Indiana had a much better loss. They both deserved to be in, but you can’t say just because of last night Indiana should have ever had a chance of being left out
Indiana just needs players that are bigger, faster and stronger. It would not shock me to see Cignetti win a national championship someday. I don't know if he can do it at Indiana.
He can’t even with nil being what it is the likelihood that a small time football team wins a chip is highly unlikely
Carpenter on Indiana’s D lineman made him some money tonight
Can we not go overboard with the hyperbole?
Let's not anoint Cignetti as the next Nick Saban. FFS.😂
@@Will-fk2dkyoure the one doing the hyperbole. No one said he’s the next Saban, you did.
That's the whole big 10's problem... no speed at all positions... thats why the SEC pounds Big 10 teams 95% of the time..... it's a issue that those schools outside of a OSU that never gets addressed... yes there are isolated times where a big 10 player has great speed but overall its definitely a Big 10 weakness
Tennessee didn't deserve to be in the CFP
Josh the type of guy to wear a glasses and mustache disguise to the game
Please tell me when strength of schedule is actually going to matter because this committee failed to recognize strength of schedule, even though they said that it was going to be included in their decisions.
Everyone who hates the fact that IU, Clemson, SMU, ASU, etc. got into the playoff's ideal college football playoff lineup:
1. Bama
2. Alabama
3. University of Alabama
4. The University of Alabama
5. THE Bama
6. The university in Tuscaloosa
7. Auburn's biggest rival
8. The team Bear Bryant used to coach
9. The team Nick Saban used to coach
10. The team Forrest Gump played for
11. Georgia
12. Tennessee
The last 2 teams may be substituted for the Crimson Tide, and the team with an elephant mascot, respectively.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nah, we just want teams that actually earned a shot, not teams that sleepwalked through a cupcake schedule and lost to the only ranked team they played, and only beat one team with a winning record.
@@supersanic1254 Maybe don’t lose to Vandy and OU? Indiana took care of terrible teams you all took Ls against them thats why you’re not in
@@makimaac7I’m a Bama fan,and you are correct! Can’t whine your in to the playoffs after being dominated by Vandy and a shitty OU team.🤦🏻♂️
Vandy and Oklahoma are second tier SEC teams this year. OU maybe third tier. They both could've run the table with Indiana's schedule. They have the athletes to at least challenge OSU. If Vandy and OU are bad teams so is Indiana.
I thought. I can’t believe Indiana QB looks overwhelmed, and rattled.
Because NDs defense dominated Indiana and forced him to be unconformable from the get go. The Irish completely controlled both lines of scrimmage.
That’s what I was saying all week… Doesn’t matter if it’s a blizzard. Notre Dame was just going to lean on them boys all game and get er done.
Dude, ND is in Indiana. There was no weather advantage.
Dude, I didn’t say ND had a weather advantage, I said their game plan was to beat the shit out of them regardless of the weather. If you could read and comprehend.
Dude, I never said there was a weather advantage. I said the game plan was for ND to beat the shit out of the other team regardless of the weather. If you could read and comprehend.
@@Sticknmove8maybe you aren’t as clear as you think you are buddy. Choose your words better and their wouldn’t be a mixup
Notre Dame played well, actually better than I thought they would .
I have no problem with Indiana being in the playoff.
In terms of the payoff structure the real problem is the imbalance of conference strength, more than the structure itself .
I still love college football!!
Hey SEC boy, Tennessee just took a beatdown wise than the teams your hating on stating their not good enough.
Not an "SEC" fan. Fan of an SEC team. We've been beating TN like this for years, even when they had better QB play.
I do think OSU at their best, is the beast team this year. This is not the year to judge a team off their best. Enjoy the win we've been seeing for years.
OSU should win the Natty. Will they? Who knows? After this year, maybe Arizona (doubtful) will.
Indiana scored on the 5th strings. Congrats you got a respectable score
Rudy almost made a tackle
Break up the mega conferences, this is an inevitability with the current day ACC, SEC, and Big 10. It still won't be perfect but teams will have to perform at minimum against the best teams in their conference to make the playoff.
This is why I'm rooting for the big 10 to get wiped out... That would majorly screw up the networks plans for an NFC vs AFC college football league which is where we are headed currently
Alabama, Ole Miss, and South Carolina would have beat them even worse.
Strength of schedule has got to matter more going forward.
Winning your games matter more. Don't lose 3 games and especially in Alabama's case Don't lose 2 games to 6-6 teams.
@@michaelfloyd1127
Clemson lost 3 games and got in.
WAH. Have some cheese with your whine.
Strength of schedule matter 27 to 3 by 4th qtr.
You can't convince me that a future committee would leave this Indiana team out of the playoffs w/ Indiana dominating performance all year
listed below are the teams records that Indiana beat this season. 1.) FIU who fired its coach and finished 4-8 in the C-USA of all things. 2.) Western Illinois… to easy. 3.) UCLA who fired it’s OC and finished 5-7 in the mid 10 conference. 4.) Charlotte who also fired its coach (I’m sensing a pattern here) who finished… you guessed it 5-7 in the American. 5.) Maryland who finished next to last in the Mid 10 conference who ended with a 4-8 season. 6.) Northwestern who finished 3rd from last in the Mid 10 conference who also ended the year with a 4-8 season. Patterns are forming here. 7.) Nebraska who finished this year at 6-6 in the Mid 10 Conference who only proceeded to win one more game after losing to Indy. 8.) Washington who finished 6-6. Patterns… 9.) Michigan State who finished 5-7… really good schedule so far. 10.) Michigan… hey finally a good win… a 7-5 team… by 5 points at home… 5 points… 11.) Purdue… the worst power 4 team in America who finished 1-11 on the year. The one regular season loss was 38-15 to Ohio State and anyone who watched that game will tell you there was never any doubt Ohio State was going to win. Just admit it. Indiana was a media darling because they we’re different. Nobody actually thought they were a legit contender for this thing. Alabama, Ole Miss, South Carolina, heck even Miami all deserved it over Indy. No offense. I like Indy personally. They just didn’t deserve it.
Yeah, but a 1 loss Big10 or SEC team is always going to get into a 12 team playoff, regardless of SOS. IMO at least.
Pretty obvious your not a fan of the Big 10. Your opinion is biased.
@@Capadona40and this is the argument why they shouldn't.
IU ducked Oregon, PSU, and Iowa. They lost to OSU. Their best win was Michigan who was only such because they beat OSU, which further drilled down that Indiana wasn't that good (OSU is far from the juggernaut they were supposed to be).
If IU went undefeated they'd be in 100%. Heck, if they beat OSU but lost to Michigan they should be in. But you shouldn't get brownie points for beating a bunch of terrible teams in your conference and losing to the only quality ones you play.
I would 100% make the same argument for Texas and PSU who are in the same boat. Neither should've made it but they did because of their logos. The 3 SEC teams with 3 losses all have vastly superior wins to either of them.
That was a nice high school level game.
You're an idiot 😂
I think we all know the real final score of this game was 27-3
Yeah, Indiana scored in garbage time. They will be back to being a mediocre team very soon.
@@Commentleaver-c6xhilarious probably a 10+ win next year
@@danielfeitz7438 nope, won’t happen, have you never heard of the sophomore slump?
@@Commentleaver-c6x that has to do with players not a whole program and we don’t have any starting freshman so that won’t effect us at all as long as we get a good QB in the portal
@@danielfeitz7438 I will go on record and guarantee they lose at least 4 games next year.
We should expect the 1st round and maybe the 2nd round will be blowouts this year and future years. It will happen year in and year out. 12 teams are too many if you want closer games. But, if we want more "meaningful" games in later weeks of the season than this is just the way it will always be, except for an occasional close game.
So if Clemson or SMU wins tomorrow can we stop pushing the Big10 over the ACC and Big12?
And was anyone shocked by this result? Not a soul. I doubt anyone that wasn’t trying to farm impressions believed Indiana had a slight chance.
Joel Klatt was shocked.
@@brucetucker4847 Joel Klatt got outed as a pretty spectacular moron by this result, given that he FLAT OUT CALLED FOR AN INDIANA UPSET OF THE IRISH just last night!!! lol
@@brucetucker4847klatt is a big10 homer
Pat McAfee and Curt Cignetti😂
@@brucetucker4847Joels big 10 bias is so ridiculous it makes me think he's just shilling for his network
I remember in 2021 when my wolverines ran into GA in rnd 1 and got ran through.. sometimes the moment is too big for teams their first time in. I think Indiana with only a single loss on the season deserved their shot. They just didn’t have it. It was too big and so was ND lol. That’s how I felt about M in 21’. If they can keep it rolling, they will improve next go round. I don’t feel bad for them.. now they know how far they have left to go. Let’s see if they can build on it. ND is GA is going to be a Game!!
Expect Michigan beat a few top 10 teams that season and won the big 10 to earn their spot in the playoffs. And had a proven big dog Head coach who is currently the top 3 coaches alive.
@@_jse123 "proven big dog head coach" jim harbaugh was literally on the hot seat going into 2021
Bama was more deserving than Indiana for sure.
@@supersanic1254 Why?
@ not even close. Maybe more skilled, but deserving?! when you drop a terd the way they did against OU, lose by over 20 to a .500 team and don’t even score a TD? The Vandy loss I can excuse and say, yeah, probably.. but that was one of the worst performances of the year by ANY team. Way before Tide standards. I like Bama, but I cannot agree with that. I would say the same if it had been my Wolverines. Can’t play like that and get in. Combined with 2 other losses.. nope. Can’t do it.
Best performance of the night is the Disney executives who convinced the masses that the 4 team playoff system was broken cause teams got robbed, then the #8 team in the rankings gets spanked by #5 and they get millions of dollars from it. Bernie Madoff-esque moneymaking abilities from them
I still think there should be a 16 team playoff. I don't care if there are some lopsided wins. It happens in the NFL too.
@@canyonoverlook9937so Carolina got screwed
Whoever convinced us these teams were top 10 teams were the real heroes.....imagine convincing someone of that back in 2014/2015...you'd be laughed out of the room.
@@canyonoverlook9937College football isn’t the NFL. Don’t know why people want to turn it into it. Different levels of play all around the country, we can’t just act like all the conferences are the same like you can divisions in the NFL
@@squires32 All divisions aren't the same in the NFL. I agree all conferences aren't the same. I like larger playoffs. A 24 team playoff would be good. They have 40 teams in the lower divisions.
What I’d like to see in the future is teams like BYU that have beat ranked teams, have played tougher schedules and only 2 losses to get more love then teams with only one loss but haven’t beat top 25 teams
Well put, Josh.
Aaaaand fake UT got embarrassed worse than both IU and SMU COMBINED. The only thing more embarrassing than fake UT's play today is Josh's garbage takes.
All the comments I've made on these football channels talking about how undeserving Indiana was to be in the playoff are aging like wine. They did literally nothing this year but blowout terrible teams. And the warning signs were there when they got absolutely destroyed by Ohio State. Yet the committee just blindly looked at the loss column and put them safely in.
Anyone else below them even all the way down to #25 would have given Notre Dame a better game.
I wouldn't go that far with that last sentence
Who was more deserving, then? The teams that didn't make it all had awful losses. I think Miami has a legitimate argument, but everyone else has egregious losses.
Texas is in the SAME EXACT BOAT. Texas HAS 0 IMPRESSIVE WINS yet made it to number 1 😂
@@nathank556No sir. Its SC. Miami's strength of schedule was no better than Indiana's.
@@nathank556bad losses but awesome wins. Gotta look at both sides of the spectrum. To me, it was obvious that these SEC teams that were in question on are better than IU and SMU.
Unfortunately people are tired of teams like Bama and the SEC getting in, so they settled for a good B10 without zero quality wins and this is the result. Hopefully people learn their lesson so we don’t have to experience this again
Maybe we should bring back the BCS formula. At least it had a strength of schedule component in it. It's not perfect, but better than what we got this year.
it's been 1 game. hahahahaha. for all we know, notre dame could win the whole damn thing.
I’m a big fan of BCS playoff ranking.
@@CroMagJohnsonone highly boring game. Both teams looked like high school teams. Both defenses are just that good? C’mon now, you can’t argue with what we all saw tonight. Inept offenses, terrible QB play, laughable coaching decisions, terrible special teams play.
The playoff should be changed only top 12 teams from sec should make it nobody else plays good teams
South Carolina would have played a closer game
Oh, this is just the beginning, it will get worse before its over!!! I'm still amazed that no one has mentioned that the 15th ranked team beat the 16th ranked team to get in and get a 1st round buy! That is just absolutely amazing to me!!!
We ask who did IU beat during the season. We could ask that same question for other teams in the playoffs as well. I do not think it will ever be fair based on SOS or conferences.
Notre dames defense is legit, I’m excited to see them against a good offense
Or they just played a weak team with a weak schedule
Nah
Defense is legit, most people don’t know football, much less college. Despite this defense having a good junk of veteran starters injured that haven’t played the entire season or since the first two weeks of the season, I’d say it’s a testament to the key places that stayed healthy & the freshmen stepping up. The are especially strong in the Nickel, which is something half the country is just not good at. The stats are there against teams that were gonna “upset” them or expected to have explosive offenses that they’d struggle with. No matter what, you’ll get MD hate from zoomer fans mostly, who like their conferences & team, but genuinely have no idea what’s going on during the game/what happening during plays. However, depth is the key here with already all the injuries they’ve sustained since the beginning, can those starters keep going if NDs offense can keep them off the field for enough rest. There run is game is good, solid group of backs and the freshmen on o-line who stepped in due to injuries have filled in well, but the QB & WR core isn’t where it should be.
The offense needs to step up there game and figure it out or NDs defense (or any defense) can only do so much if their constantly back on the field.
27-17 is not a blowout, that’s barely a 2-score lead.
Real score is 27-3, they put in third stringers and scored junk points.
Scoreboard watcher
It was a blowout. I turned the game off in the third when it was 20-3. This game was gross and hard to watch.
😂😂you didn't watch the game pal
@@thomaskirsch2469real OSU Tennessee score 70-3
Anyone that knows football knew Indiana didn't belong in the playoff.
Anyone who knows the rules of who gets in knows that they did
@@DJ_Cub They were and are frauds
@@DKHurricane14you act like it’s the first year a team turned out to not be as good as we thought. They went 11-1 in the B10. They “deserved” and were “good” enough to get there.
@@DKHurricane14 I’d rather have a 1 loss Big 10 team than an Alabama team that scored 3 points against Oklahoma. Stop crying
@@DJ_Cub especially when vandy put up 40 against bama
Seems to me that Indiana's rush defense was very good outside of that one play. Held ND less than 3 YPC (95 yards on 33 rushes).
Josh - Can Fandual calculate the probability of an upset, or what the upset probability was for this year vs other years?
It’s seems like there have been a lot of upsets this year. Maybe why it wasn’t a great year for the Ramon noodle express? It would be interesting if there was an upset index - well maybe just interesting for nerds. It would be interesting to be able to apply it to past seasons to determine which had the most upsets and or biggest upsets. Maybe when the games aren’t being played during training season.
That's why the format doesn't work. Notre Dame should have had a bye because they are the 4th ranked team. Indiana would have played Boise State in the first round in a straight 12 format. That's would have been a better first-round game
Does 4th or 5th really matter? Technically, Notre Dame accepted a max 5th seed spot because they play one less game. If they are an elite championship caliber team then they can endure playing an extra opponent in the playoffs to offset the lost game in the season no?
Join a conference and you get a bye
@ if we have a top 12 format then they would be ranked wherever they ranked at the end of the season. Either way it they are ranked 4th or 5th they aren't playing Indiana in the first round
@@GR-bn3xj i am not a Notre Dame fan. I just rather have the top 12 format because the matchups would be better
@@GR-bn3xj my bad, i thought Notre Dame was ranked 4th
Yeah, Alabama should have been in the CFP before Indiana. And USC and Ole Miss. And I hate the SEC.
Not to mention SMU.
So half of the sec should be in the top 12? Even if 3 of those teams have lost a total of 9 games? Talent be damned, shouldn’t consistency and execution matter at some point? If not, why do we even play these games?
@@drizzle452They play much tougher teams, that's the difference. Bama would be undefeated with Indiana or NDs schedule. Indiana would have 4 or 5 losses minimum playing in the SEC
@supersanic1254 So much speculation. Maybe some day sec teams will be motivated to play better nonconference games and hang more Ls on those non sec teams.
Great year for IU. They should be proud and I think they have a really bright future with Cig. They are going to start making waves in recruiting and will be another quality team for the Big 10. Just in time to secure their spot in conference for the future
quality breakdown. so tired of uninformed talking heads on Football and College football in general. You forgot to mention the CFP committee needs to get rid of the Conference championships byes. Pure Rank of 1-12 and of course conf champs teams factor in but how is Boise and Arizona state get a bye and Oregons reward for being the best team in college football a rematch with maybe the closest roster to theirs and Penn state gets maybe two walks in a park. Total joke. Go Irish !!!!
As a Notre Dame fan, I was a little bit concerned that injuries could prove to be too costly for Notre Dame. The depth of this team is unreal.