Just because he didn’t get max goes on ever element does mean he’s under scored 💀 he got scored nicer then everbody else and yall still being delutionals
This was a perfect free skate from Yuzuru Hanyu. He was at ease, flying through his jumps, and everything was beautiful. Per the Italian commentators, Yuzuru should've gotten 100 PCS. It was just that perfect of a performance.
The most egregious judging decision to me is Yuzu skating and turning on one foot into 3A with his free leg well clear of the ice, landing on a beautifully deep edge and then kicking his free leg over his goddamn head and getting a +2.71 GOE, and yet Javi gets a +3 for starting from both feet, his free leg touching the ice on the way in (note the spray of ice) and not doing anything as amazing as a kick split. It's completely unjustifiable, I can't believe judges can be so unfair. It makes me feel so angry and helpless.
MelancholyRoses while I do agree that yuzu should’ve gotten a +3 on his 3A (#robbed) Javi had many difficult turns ands steps leading up into the entry of his 3A. And also his free leg touching the ice as he takes off is just the way he takes off for his axel jumps. You could take off from a skid (which yuzu does; basically using the momentum from his leg to take off with out touching the ice) or from the toe pick (which javi does; he’s using the push from the toe pick to propel himself forward into the rotations) 😀
I hope this video makes a lot of fans aware of the superbness of Yuzu's performance. But on the other hand I hope we contain this among fans.Some said they wanted to post this to ISU's sns，that is not a good call. ISU might not care nor change，instead they may even get annoyed and it can hurt Yuzu. So fans be supportive and be careful
BBC commentator on Yuzu：no one will have the delicacy of this jumping, this technique. It IS delicate, even though he's flying through the air. They are light and elegant. There is no tension in his upper body when he rotated. There is never any tension in his upper body when he skates anyway. Looking at the 8 bullets, Yuzu's 3A I would say satisfy ALL of them. It would be ridiculous (and what I truly wanna say is a scandal) to not only deny it of +3GOE, but even give it lower points than a 3A without such entry and exit, such ease and use of music. And all of his jumps are the top in most of the bullets. 1. Difficult entry: counter 3A, twizzle 3A, spread eagle....noted by so many commentators and commonly recognized 2. Movements immediately preceding the element: same as1. 3. Delay in rotation: Commented by Nathan Chan's coach Rafael Arutyunyan 4. Good height and distance: you can see in the video, there was a news in Japan about how he covered the length of 12 seats alongside the rink with just one 3A 5. Good extension on landing and creative exit: also widely known, checking out the 3A in sp 6. Good Flow entry to exit: see for yourself 7. effortless throughout: referring to BBC comments above 8. Element matched to musit: Think about that 3F in lp, melt into music and choreography. And the 3A in sp too! Those qualities are commonly presented in his jumps and technical style. That been said, I just wonder, and ponder, and ponder... How much more perfect do you expect him to be, before you can recognize his superbness, Judges?
Who can you like the number 3 please where Rafael Arutyunyan commented about the delay of rotation. He is one of Yuzu's fan but honestly I feel sorry for Nathan. I feel like they are pushing a lot on him. He got potential but I really hope they take good care of their athlete.
This is the best comment ever! Yuzu is, like Plushenko and others say, from another planet. He is in a completely different level. Yuzu has the real "whole package".
Totally agree. Fair judgement is needed to be advocated. Yuzuru’s jumps have great height, difficult entries, good speed and flow when entry and land the jumps. I cannot understand why some judges give +2 or even only +1 as Yuzuru’s clean jumps fulfil most of the GOE elements. Uno’s jumps seem have the problems such as under-rotated and cheated especially the quad loop in the video, and his free leg sometimes almost touches the ice when landing. I am confused about why these jumps can always get +2, +3 GOE. P.S.: I really want to know why Yuzuru’s counter 3A and spread eagle 4lo cannot get +3? Which element is insufficient compared to Javier or Uno’s (GOE+3) 3A?......
6 judges gave the 3A +3s, I think the other that gave +2s was because it was a bit off-axis in the air. As for the spreadeagle 4Lo it was clearly off-axis in the air and had not much speed on the landing so I can see why not +3 for that.
I think most obviously it is the quality of the landings where there is a MAJOR difference. Yuzuru's landings are easy and smooth whereas Shoma's are wild and hard to control. In the air during rotation they are similar.
Yuzuru's 3A is so much better than others in the height and with complex entry and beautiful landing and speed. While uno's 4 lo seems UR and also the free leg touches the ice for some of his landings. I wish judges could align criteria for all the players. Current judge system is ridiculously unfair
I always adore Japan for its strictness in the quality control of their products, and their "never cheating" reputation. So lucky Japan has Yuzuru as their pride and representative. He spent so much effort to polish every element in his program, his spin, his steps, his jumps, it reflects what Japan stands for. All his hard work should be fairly rewarded. I don't understand why they underscore him considering his contribution to this sport. It seems like because of his domination in this sport, he paid more tax than others and then, bang ! After the tax paid he receive less point than others with subsidy
They really did the most to make Shoma Uno the new World Champion or Javier Fernandez the new 3-time World Champion but universe said the otherwise and still chose Yuzuru Hanyu despite of all obstacles.
They tried. Even in the Olympics they tried but Yuzu is touched by fate, he has an epic destiny ahead of him. Corruption and adversity can try to take him down over and over and over but he'll always get up and fight his way back.
Yuzu's 4Lo in sp, 3A in sp, 4s in LP definitely should get 3 in GOE. His 3F in LP is also perfect. ISU should consider retraining their judges if they don't follow the rule when giving GOE. Uno's free leg is usually too low when he lands. His toe jumps always look like edge jumps, which is a thing ISU should take serious just as how they treat taking off with wrong edge
Did you guys realized the rules and regulations of judging GOE that shown in the beginning of the video? There are 8 elements to judge how many points should add to the jump/spin/step sequence, and I remember for +3, the skater should fulfill at least 5-6 elements or above. By comparing other two skaters with Hanyu, you can see the transition in and out of Hanyu's jumps were so difficult and skillful! The jumps are textbook. In my understanding, once the skater fulfill the requirements, they should gain certain points according to the rules. Of course, you may say some judging element is quite subjective, and that's why we have this video. Hanyu for sure, every jump is able to get points of GOE. However, none of his jumps get +3 in World Championship 2017 for both SP and LP. And you can see in the video, the two skaters are getting +2.XX to +3 for GOE but when we compare them with Hanyu, objectively, I must say Hanyu did much better! Either the jumps or transitions and landing. And take a look of Hanyu's GOE, it is much lower than other two skaters. That's totally acceptable that the judgers may not think Hanyu is perfect enough to get +3 for GOE, as I said, some elements are quite subjective for justice. But only one thing, PLEASE USE THE SAME STANDARD TO TREAT EVERY SKATERS!!! I am not saying that the two skaters are not good. What I thinking about is that they are not judging and adding GOE for your skills, but for who are you and where are you from. I think most of you could recognize the unfairness of the justice. The judgers are just having different rules and standards for Hanyu which is totally unfair and unacceptable.
I agree with you. While Hanyu Yuzuru certainly isn't perfect, you can see how dedicated and passionate about skating he is, and how much work he puts into his jumps, spins, steps, etc. While Shoma is also very diligent and a skilled skater, this and many other videos show that he needs to work on some of his elements. I think you're right when you say that Hanyu is being judged at an entirely different standard, which really isn't fair despite that he is on an entirely different level.
Oh Yuzuru Hanyu Always got underscores GOE in most of his career not only in 2017 WC. I just don't understand what through the judges mind when they gave the scores ?
Did you see how close Yuzu's and Shoma's final scores were? For some reason the ISU and JSF are selling Shoma to overtake Yuzuru. I wonder why. Shoma is not on Yuzu's level, they're just making people believe he is by inflating his GOE. What is their purpose I wonder? Shoma isn't even on the level of Javier but it looks like they sure want people to think he is. Why would they be grooming him like this? Why would the ISU and the JSF want to undermine the gift to them that Yuzu is?
There are only 2 reasons that this happened. 1. The judges are biased 2. The judges are blind Thank you for sharing this video, as there's finally evidence that shows just how much the judging system is screwed. Even with all the underscoring, Yuzuru Hanyu still manages to break a world record. I agree to the fact that this is the most underscored world record yet. To not grant Yuzuru's 3As +3s in GOEs is beyond me. C'mon judges, stop being bias and give the kid some proper scores. Over-scoring the skater representing your country? That's fine. Biasses are unavoidable. But to downgrade another skater's hard work and dedication and talent by giving unfair scores is unacceptable. GIVE CREDIT WHEN CREDIT IS DUE! I hope this video comes to the ISU's attention, or we'll be seeing another score scandal in Pyeongchang olympics...
Another possibility. I hope this is not the case, but... 3. The judges got bribes so they favor Uno. Btw, also Uno's flutz has been often overlooked since he was a child. In the 2010 Chubu district contest for 11 to 13 year olds, he definitely jumped a flutz, but he did not receive even a "!" mark, not to mention the "e" mark.
As for Uno's flutz in 2010 Chubu district novice competition, here's a proof.↓ ua-cam.com/video/UI8u8zjv6HY/v-deo.html The scene of the take off is 1:10~1:11. That's definitely a flutz. But look at the protocol.↓ Uno's in the 1st place. www.jsfresults.com/National/2010-2011/fs/block4/data0505.pdf There's no "e" nor "!" and 2 of the 5 judges gave +2 for GoE. Another 2 gave +1. No one gave -1~-3.
I agree and I'm also so sorry, and I saw Italian experts who spoke about it after OG 2018 on some TV channel (they said even that Yuzuru Hanyu has been underscored for a long time), but this judging system is surely surely better than the older one, with only 10 points when each judge could use each mark only once. I remember the frustration which I felt in some moments of scoring even now after years. There was a time I convinced I can't see it anymore. So I did not. And then with a new rules and judging system I has been able to watch it again. It's not perfect for sure, but it's really better by my opinion.
@@hiroki2622 Yes. I don't doubt it. It's said the JSF don't like Yuzuru's popularity or whatever. They are totally hyping Shoma the way the ISU in the US are totally hyping Chen. Shoma doesn't have the following or the star power Yuzuru has. He's cute but he's not Yuzuru cute and he has nowhere near Yuzu's golden personality. So that's not going to work for them. Maybe that's what they want. Someone less charismatic than Yuzu that isn't so much work. Less security, less crowd control, less cleanup on the ice, less rock concert atmosphere, less screaming fans. Less complaints from other skaters about the attention Yuzu gets.
So that's why Yuzu once said he wanted to do jumps that earns 3+ no matter how you look at it. He probably knew the judges are playing it dirty on him, so he wants to smack it on their faces by letting any other who has eyes acknowledge his jumps. And we haven't even started on the PCS.
Oh Yeah! He did say that in an interview if i Remember correctly? When it comes to Yuzuru, im Very very impressed with his jumps, but his artistry and passion is amazing!!
It's just funny that Hanyu's gotten himself to a point where they can't inflate his scores since those would simply end up being his rightful scores. So they have to inflate others and to leave room for that, they have to skim Hanyu's scores (and deduct whatever they could, even for things they could've and would've usually overlooked). That's just the way it is, I guess. Even Chan needed blatant inflation to get to where he was pre-Sochi. But here, pre-PC, Hanyu remains far enough ahead despite getting skimmed scores (as opposed to the inflation of others) and making mistakes himself. This is how good the guy is. **shakes head** I believe the guy himself knows it, too. And that his solution is to simply be better. And if that means increased tech difficulty and higher consistency in cleanliness to build momentum, then his fate would be in nobody's hands but his own. And that, I feel, is the best solution of all.
Yep, Yuzuru Hanyu's scores has been deflated after his 2nd Olympic gold medal while other skaters' scores are inflated. Yuzuru's jumps are the best with both power and beauty and he is so dedicated to his performance and yet, ISU is inflating other skaters and just crowned a new 2022 Olympic gold medalist. Since 2018, ISU changed their judging system where skaters can get +5 GOE. Damn, since 2018, Yuzuru has been working and changing his programs, but his scores were always deflated. In 2019 Worlds Championship in Saitama, he did a 4T + 3A + SEQ and received +3.12 GOE. This was a SCANDAL because this combination has never been done, especially a jump into a 3A. It's terribly difficult to do. Nope, he didn't win Worlds, but man, he was fighting like hell. It was a great performance.
Great video! My feeling is that there are obviously two sets of standards for ISU to treat Yuzuru Hanyu and others just as they are NOT in the same scoring system. I'm so upset about this because I know Yuzuru is a man going for perfect in every details. He broke the limit of highest standard again and again and pushed this sport to an unprecedented level. He definitely deserves more. To the ISU JUDGES: WE ARE NOT BLIND, SHAME ON YOU!!!
I swear to God if they'd scored Shoma's 4Loop higher than Yuzuru's I'd have had a heart attack. On the other hand those triple axel scores are a disgrace. Yuzuru is the best at that jump, without question.
Most of shoma's quads are just 3.2 rotations. He has so many wrong edges and horrible landing. A 4f that's neither a flip Nor a quad. I'm so shook the judges turns a blind eye so much. They freaking deducted Yuzu for late start. *Shakes my head*
I don't get why this kid is so loved by the judges, he cheats all the time. To an amateur it might look like he has a cool style so I don't blame people for loving him anyway, but the judges? They just keep letting him off the hook
No offensive to skaters themselves, but there are only two conclusions I could ever get from this video - either Yuzuru was underscored or Shoma was overscored. There was no way that Yuzuru HANYU did not get +3 for wonderfully landing these flawless quads and triple axels without any prerotation. What I am saying is that the WC version Hope and Legacy (Yuzuru's FS program) definitely deserves a higher score even though it has already been the world record. And no doubt, Let's Go Crazy (the short) also worthes plus three goe for the execution of 4Lo and 3A. Again, agree with Celeste B, Yuzuru's H&L is the most underscored world record ever :)
Yuzuru Hanyu is too good with natural talents that ISU have to inflate other skaters to give it competition and to create a new champion. This has already been done since after Yuzuru Hanyu won his 2nd gold Olympic medal and his scores continued to be deflated, making him not #1 in the men's figure skating anymore. Now, it's all about the jumps, especially doing the most quads and even if your program is not all (drawing in the audience), as long as your program have no falls, you basically get above 90 PCS. That's all there is to it. You just have to jump the quads, even if it's easy entries and that that beautiful...as long as it's landed, you're better than Yuzuru Hanyu. Damn, Yuzuru has been treated unfairly since 2018 and fighting like hell to get to #1 again, but regardless, he's still the GOAT. Like the Canadian commentators, including Kurt Browning, there are good and great skaters, but there is only Yuzuru Hanyu. He's roo special and in a class of his own.
We all want to give Yuzu the fairest scores in the competition, even he has won the gold medal. Shona is also a good skater. But he has got higher GOE than Yuzu, although his jumps look not as beautiful as Yuzu. I think it is really unfair.
Thank you for making this video! I really agree that the judges were unfair with giving out the scores! I like Shoma a lot and he has improved so much, he deserved winning silver for sure (just with a little lower score though), but how come he got more +3 and +2 than Yuzu? He still underrotates most of his jumps and that should be called out, while Yuzu does not have a single underrotation and, of course, as you said, has difficult entries and exits in and out of his jumps, which is impressive and should be awarded. Also, going with PCS wise, they were also unfair. Like at 4CC, the judges are giving high PCS to skaters who have a lot of quads but don't have that great skating skills, while those who don't have so many quads but have excellent skating skills, like Jason Brown and Patrick Chan especially, are given lower PCS (Shoma had the same PCS as Patrick at the Worlds' FS, come on!). Anyways, I'm sorry for this rant, but it's so frustrating when this happens, I like things to be fair, nationalities and preferences should not exist when scoring =(((
"he deserved winning silver for sure (just with a little lower score though)" "but how come he got more +3 and +2 than Yuzu? " "has difficult entries and exits in and out of his jumps, which is impressive and should be awarded" It is really most heartbreaking to see Yuzu not well recognized in GOE for all he does. With all those fabulous jumps and the efforts going into his program, why shouldn't he be awarded?
Thanks for making this great video. With the comparison we can see the unfairness clearly.Obviously Yuzuru deserves higher GOE , all his jumps deserves GOE +3 ,especially his 3A .I hope that referees can give the scores with more fairness .
Someone (or all of us) needs to post this to ISU social pages or something to bring it to their attention because honestly, it's just plain unfair and unjust.
But wondering how they will react. Would they, instead of correcting their own wrong, take it out on Yuzu instead? I do not feel much trust...sorry to say that
But I think it might not be a good idea. ISU has the judging power.It is very unlikely that they will be convinced to change their way of grading. If we make a big fuzz under their own sns account，it might turn out to be harmful to Yuzu instead. The judges might be annoyed and take it out on Yuzu. Let's keep it a separate discussion between ice fans. Do not go so far as to post it to ISU's site.
I've thought of that too but then again, IF they do the negative reaction of making things difficult for Yuzu then they would seem petty and degrade their own reputation and I doubt they want that. And rather than making a big fuss out of it and bombarding their page, it's more like just 'wanting' them know that such as situation exists. Then again, social media is pretty huge these days so I doubt we'll actually need to post on their page, they'll probably see it somehow eventually.
Bringing this to ISU won't harm Yuzuru. There was a lot of talk about Nathan's PCS and you saw the campaign to try and justify it. In other words, bringing this to ISU attention is good. It's a -we are watching you, careful - type of thing. Yuzuru's scores are going to get worse next season. ISU doesn't want him for a repeat Olympic champion, they want Shoma or Nathan. So this won't hurt him. It can only be good though probably it won't do much, as ISU is an awful organization.
I cannot be sure about that. Each case is different for each skater from different country，at different position. I would not do it at Yuzu's risk. And as Die Hart said，it is already big now on social media，no need to go that far as directly posting to isu
Any 3A yuzuru jumps satisfy at least six bullets, but do not get goe＋3.Others satisfy at most four bullets,can get goe+3. I really want to know what the referee's standard.
Yuzu is the best man in the world, the most precious man of our True fans. He've paid so much efforts to perish his performances. However, seems labor in vain because of the unfair judgement. If some of these so-called fans don't cherish him, we will support and try our best to protect him instead.
actually, it shouldn’t even say “3.25F”, in my opinion. shoma picked with his entire blade rather than just his toe pick, which basically makes his “flip” an edge jump rather than a toe jump, which makes it a loop. i love shoma, but that jump should have gotten the value of a 3.25Lo, not even a 3.25F. a “floop”, if you will. i still can’t believe that even with all the technical panels the judges can’t even see excessive full blade rotation, pre-rotation, and under-rotation when it’s staring them right in the face.
@Nicole Luo I think the ISU rulebook actually literally ALLOWS skaters to use prerotation. Like, they don't let the judges and tech panel slow down the footage if they want to check a skaters take off, so it's pretty easy to get away with prerotation and things like that. Of course, I could be mistaken, but I remember reading that somewhere. But yeah, I agree with you, they seriously need to do something about how they score Shoma and the rest on their jumps and such.
Thank you for the video. Regardless of which skater we are rooting for, all skating fans want to see 'justice' in the scores. The scores/judgements from all judges must be acurate as much as HUMANLY possible. Skaters should receive the points which their performance deserves, as their protocol guides them to the next step for their future development. Some may say that we shouldn't complain about judges' scores or judgements. I agree to this to some extent; however when we can see any intentions other than assessing each performance purely and fairly, we should not turn an blind eye."Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are." ~ Benjamin Franklin. All we want is justice and consistency to all skaters standing on the ice rink as we want to keep enjoying and appreciating this wonderful sport- figure skating.
what stands out to me the most is that SOME of the judges were getting ready to throw all the candies at javier fernandez and inflate his marks as much as they could, this is worrisome for everyone and should not be ignored, there has to be a reaction against the constant overscoring of fernandez or this will affect the Olympics, he messed up his fs too much this time so they couldn't give him all the gifts they were ready to throw. I love Javier Fernandez, he is one of the best skaters ever and he is clearly a great person, I am sure he is not responsible fr this but something has to be done, not against him but just to tell the judges that we are on to them
I don't think you need to worry about them over-scoring Javi. The quads he did perfectly got high scores because they were done SO well. But, as you can see, when the program fell apart the judges did not hesitate to drop him down in the ranks. Javi does have a maturity, confidence and musical interpretation that is better than most of the male skaters. He also had a LOT of footwork whereas Shoma and Yuzuru's programs were a little light on footwork. Look at the whole picture, not just the jumps.
Thank you for the bright analysis. It is obvious that Yuzu's jumps are underscored while Javi's and Uno's jumps are overscored. It's unfair. not right.
We are proud of Yuzuru, his long program was incredible and marvelous. Shoma Uno does have a better ability than some skaters, but his ability doesn't worth a 3 GOE score.
Fans have been a little less aggressive because Hanyu still wins with underscored programs, but when they decide to underscore hanyu and overinflate others in so that hanyu loses, there will be hell to pay
This is really worrisome. Not only is it unfair to Yuzu, but a skater always takes their protocols especially their GOEs seriously. They may pattern their overall workout based on their scores in their GOEs. The judges should always fairly judge whoever it is because the scores that they might give will always affect the development of the figure skater.
all comments during the FS and SP always call Yuzuru's jumps 'textbook', which I havn't heard them use for others, but then why are his GoEs so much lesser? It's like Yuzu is the Hermione of Figure Skating and the judges are Professor Snape.
Great video! Yuzuru’s jumps actually worth higher GOEs. It is obvious that these jumps in the video satisfy all the standards to get the award. It is upset to see that his GOEs were not as many as it was expected to be, while some other athletes could get higher scores with some distinct flaws! Of course we respect other athletes well, and we know all the athletes spare no efforts to try their best, but it is unfair that the judges treat these athletes discriminatingly, and it is also bad for the athletes to improve their techniques. We need fair judges, and we strongly wish the scores match athletes’ brilliant performance!
The landing on Hanyu's 3A was bad, the left side swung back so not good flow bullet point or effortless bullet point and he didn't have a good extention so no bullet point for that so +2 is fair even though it looked good. Shoma had spread eagle takeoff, good height/distance, good flow, good extention (for a change), looked effortless and matched to music, no issues to deduct so yes +3 is fair.
Stop lying. His landing wasn't bad. Not in this competition. Hanyu's jump ticked the bullets easily. 1. Difficult entry/short set up to jump? Check. 2. Difficult movements/preceding steps into jump? Check. 3.Varied position in the air? He did the rippon so Check! 4.Good height and distance? Check ofc.5.Good extension on landing? Check. 6. Good flow? Check. 7.Effortless throughout? Are u kidding? It's 3A! Check. 8.Elements matched the music? This is subjective but for me yes. So??? Spread eagle is not the only "hard" elements skaters can do for the entry and exit for jumps. Look at Hanyu's steps into jump from his performance. He did mohawk, rocker,crossed chasse and 3 turn into the jump. I have nothing against shoma but seriously? Give only +2 for Hanyu when he did the most to get the points while Shoma only spread eagle into his jump. He didn't even had varied air position but he still got +3 because of other bullets criteria while Hanyu?
@@eienbeau His left side (shoulder and hip) wern't checked and swung round. If he hadn't put the double toe on the end he would either have stepped out or you'd have really seen a poor landing. That's why a +2 and not a +3
Ben Bailey Shoma's landing is worse. Not effortless at all. Shoma looked like he had to struggle to land it. and dont forget that his toeloop are all taken off with full blade.
This video shows how ISU is going to hell. Unfair judges. Wrong edges not being called. PCs forgotten or underscored. Seriously. Yuzuru is flawless, delicate and light. His jumping techniques are text book yet they seem effortless and mesmerising. And even with all that unfairness he's still breaking records. It makes you wonder what the real scores would have been... Yuzuru, you are incredible! No matter what. The world knows it and you own it!
Yuzuru still winning despite being underscored is a feat upon itself. The problem as i see it is that Yuzuru's dominance is so massive that if they properly and fairly scored Yuzuru, he would set records that would be unbreakable for decades or generations. Once he retires the ISU will be looking for a new champion for the next cycle. To promote the future champions they need to be able to write about them breaking records, so therefore Yuzuru's records need to remain within the reach of mere mortals.
Que apestoso... hay que ir por los anillos de Jordan, ya que han pasado más de 15 años de su retiro y no ha existido ni quien le llegue a los talones... si la ISU desea tener un negocio rentable y admirable, debe de ser justa en sus calificaciones, después de confirmar como han hecho con Yuzuru, no veré ni una maldlita olimpiada de hielo ni ningún deporte donde haya jueces gringos. Hay deportes que necesitan tecnologías para ser atractivos y éticos, y el patinaje artístico es de ellos. Ya que con abaratarlo, sólo consiguen tener un circo de maromistas que ni cirqueros ni artistas, es más los atletas del cirque du soleil transmiten (y son muy técnicos) más que estos robotcitos que ha creado la asquerosa ISU...
Correction! From 3‘36“ to 3'45", Uno (actual score 2.29) and Fernandez (actual score 3) GOE score should be switched. From 6'21" to 6'31" and from 6'45" to 7'04", Uno's score should be 1.43 instead of 1.14. From 11'2" to 11'9", Hanyu's actual GOE score should be 2.43 instead of 2.71 on the screen. Sorry for the typos! I'm so careless... Anyone could tell me how to replace the video without deleting all these thought-provoking comments?
For the sake of fairness, this video just post these performances together and doesn't give any personal opinion. It's quite clear, YUZU deserves much more GOE. PLEASE KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN.
Chinese fans don't want to cause conflicts, and that's the reason why this video only contains the elements and scores, not personal opinions. We sincerely hope that if the judges can see this video, it will remind them of the fairness in the sports field.
Amazing GOEs with pre-rotation, "edge" toe, and "really low" free leg. Go ahead ISU judges, you can bring out an evolution to figure skating. Wait & See...
Thanks for making the video! It just shows the unfairness, doesn't aim at anyone. But I think the judges knew everything, they just want to give Yuzu a lower score because of SOME REASONS...
首先，我们只是把比赛录像拿出来做了一个技术分析对比，是分析事实，就事论事对事而不对人；其次，我们只是想要所有的选手都能在一个公平公正的比赛环境里努力拼搏，无关国籍也无关利益；最后，希望这个视频能够带来一些正面的东西，而不是一场毫无意义的乱仗。 Firstly, Chinese fans just made a video to analyse and compare the TES, as well as to find out the fact. There is NO personal feelings. Secondly, we just hope that every skater can skate in a fair and equal environment where is not for interest or nationality. We honestly wish this video could bring something positive. We are fighting only for justice but not for creating a battle among all the fans or any other meaningless mess.
Hardly. Check out this story. www.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/2014-12/15/content_19088190.htm Also, the Chinese government (through its embassy in Tokyo) gave Hanyu a stuffed panda toy after his second Olympic win, wishing him the best in Beijing! ua-cam.com/video/bDPJh1-NKTw/v-deo.htmlm2s
That is ironic that Shoma's jumps earned high GOE and seemed clean. Yet his jumps are all cheated with simple entry movements. What a scandal it is! I try to understand that ISU wants to make more "superstars" in Men's competitions and is quite generous to give those "selected stars" higher GOE, but all programs should be judged with the same guidelines. Anyway, skating fans are not fools.
Shoma will never be a superstar. At least not on the level of Yuzu. Shoma doesn't have that "it" factor. He might be a kind of a cute little thing, but Yuzu came out of the gate on fire and changed EVERYTHING. He took over the ice like a rockstar. That can't be repeated. Not by Shoma, not by Nathan.
Thank you so much for making this video. "Uno landing" is so ugly. Prerotation should be called. GOE should not be inflated. Skating order should not affect GOE. Look at the first jump of Javier Fernandez, all judges gave +3, you know what judges wanted to do... BTW, Is the Spanish judge who gave Yuzuru super low score a member of Javier Fernandez's team⁇ Is it allowed⁈ Shame on ISU...
it might affect the goe but a prerotation of less than 1/3 is still a valid jump, and in any case some people actually find the landing quite nice. i do think the scores are skewed though and isu definitely needs to work this out
The uno landing is nice? I don't know... I remember Yuzuru having such a landing in the gpf 2016 SP for his 3a and his GOE wasn't as high as usual. I don't see why Shoma making the same landing is somehow considered nice and when Yuzuru does it people say it wasn't perfect.
Jessica W I think what axoletl means is some people think prerotation makes landing nice. Not Uno landing is nice. Yuzu's landing of 3A in SP of GPF 2016 was not perfect as it was this time, but still it was not Uno landing. Shoma's landing was really bad, that's one of the reason why he got low GOE.
Ah I see, I thought it was about that scary knee bend and a running leg that nearly touches the ice plus the jerky arm movement that characterizes Shoma's landings... I think he still got great GOEs for jumps like that though, I was surprised when I saw his protocols. He got quite a lot of +2s for it which is just mind boggling. I like the way he moves to the music but among the top 6 skaters I hate his jumps the most.
Jessica W Yes, you were right. Shoma got high GOE for that interesting technique...The comparison in the video shows that Yuzu deserves more GOE because of his perfect jumps. Speaking of the moves to the music, I recently read an article about Shoma saying he omits/compromises his step sequence and spin for jumps this season...for example, his chsq is so short...I also question his pcs, and GOE on step sequence and spin. I think he is using selected music to hide his poor step sequence.
BTW thank you so much for making this video and posting this on UA-cam! Some people really needs to polish their eyes and realize the truth. Whether to consider technically or artistically, there are big gaps between Yuzuru Hanyu and Shoma Uno. For us who do not have bias due to the nationality, there's no doubt that Yuzuru Hanyu is much better than another Japanese skater.
Hanyu doesn't have a history of being overscored like this. If he had, he would've won worlds 2015, sc2016 plus worlds 2014 with a better margin just to name a few. Nobody blamed the skaters, they blame the judges and point out the skaters' flaws. Which is perfectly acceptable because it's just obviously there. Why can't viewers point out cheated technique? Relax, everyone knows the skaters aren't the ones who give themselves scores and GOEs.
Так- то оно так, но сколько пережил этот мальчик! По его глазам было видно. Эпоха Ханю запомнится не только его блистательными достижениями, но и тем, как ISU ,, гнобило" величайшего фигуриста современности.
Yuzuru's jumps were definitely most light and look natural, Shoma's triple axel combination was good as well but it looked more forced, so Yuzuru's GOEs should've been higher. Also, Shoma's prerotations and full blade takeoffs for his flips were never called out, he's essentially doing floops instead of actual flips
Thank you, I don't agree with the goe too. But yuzuru always pull through in the hardships, and clearly, he still got the WR eventhough he is not the judges favourite.
Obviously, this judging is unfair. Even not only in this #helsinki 2017.：）I really hope that more people to know about it.Please let yuzuru get the scores in he deserves it.
6:54 Shoma's flip doesn't look like a flip to me?? (don't get me wrong, I love Shoma) When he takes off the whole blade is on the ice instead of only the toepick. Correct me if I'm wrong. And Yuzu definitely deserves more.
This comment is to the voices that think we shouldn't against the ISU's judging system. Seriously, this video just mixed different jumps together with no comment, if you feel uncomfortable with it, it means that you also find out how ridiculous the GOE score is. If Uno's jumps are really deserve that high GOE, how come will you feel embarrassed to compare with yuzu's jumps.
Yuzuru : beautiful entry and exit, the height, length, body position and landing transition are all textbook-ish. Obviously not the same level with the other two. The judges couldn’t tell?! What were they thinking ...
Amazing thing is: he scored a world record whilst being underscored.
Just because he didn’t get max goes on ever element does mean he’s under scored 💀 he got scored nicer then everbody else and yall still being delutionals
This was a perfect free skate from Yuzuru Hanyu. He was at ease, flying through his jumps, and everything was beautiful. Per the Italian commentators, Yuzuru should've gotten 100 PCS. It was just that perfect of a performance.
The most egregious judging decision to me is Yuzu skating and turning on one foot into 3A with his free leg well clear of the ice, landing on a beautifully deep edge and then kicking his free leg over his goddamn head and getting a +2.71 GOE, and yet Javi gets a +3 for starting from both feet, his free leg touching the ice on the way in (note the spray of ice) and not doing anything as amazing as a kick split. It's completely unjustifiable, I can't believe judges can be so unfair. It makes me feel so angry and helpless.
MelancholyRoses while I do agree that yuzu should’ve gotten a +3 on his 3A (#robbed) Javi had many difficult turns ands steps leading up into the entry of his 3A. And also his free leg touching the ice as he takes off is just the way he takes off for his axel jumps. You could take off from a skid (which yuzu does; basically using the momentum from his leg to take off with out touching the ice) or from the toe pick (which javi does; he’s using the push from the toe pick to propel himself forward into the rotations) 😀
Javi deserved the +3, Yuzu deserved it too but Javi's steps were astonishing
La ISU apesta... no ha cambiado mucho desde el escándalo en salt lake city
this video needs to go viral. Yuzuru's Hope and Legacy was the most underscored world record ever!
"most underscored world record ever"
I hope this video makes a lot of fans aware of the superbness of Yuzu's performance. But on the other hand I hope we contain this among fans.Some said they wanted to post this to ISU's sns，that is not a good call. ISU might not care nor change，instead they may even get annoyed and it can hurt Yuzu. So fans be supportive and be careful
BBC commentator on Yuzu：no one will have the delicacy of this jumping, this technique. It IS delicate, even though he's flying through the air. They are light and elegant. There is no tension in his upper body when he rotated. There is never any tension in his upper body when he skates anyway.
Looking at the 8 bullets, Yuzu's 3A I would say satisfy ALL of them. It would be ridiculous (and what I truly wanna say is a scandal) to not only deny it of +3GOE, but even give it lower points than a 3A without such entry and exit, such ease and use of music.
And all of his jumps are the top in most of the bullets.
1. Difficult entry: counter 3A, twizzle 3A, spread eagle....noted by so many commentators and commonly recognized
2. Movements immediately preceding the element: same as1.
3. Delay in rotation: Commented by Nathan Chan's coach Rafael Arutyunyan
4. Good height and distance: you can see in the video, there was a news in Japan about how he covered the length of 12 seats alongside the rink with just one 3A
5. Good extension on landing and creative exit: also widely known, checking out the 3A in sp
6. Good Flow entry to exit: see for yourself
7. effortless throughout: referring to BBC comments above
8. Element matched to musit: Think about that 3F in lp, melt into music and choreography. And the 3A in sp too!
Those qualities are commonly presented in his jumps and technical style. That been said, I just wonder, and ponder, and ponder... How much more perfect do you expect him to be, before you can recognize his superbness, Judges?
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Who can you like the number 3 please where Rafael Arutyunyan commented about the delay of rotation. He is one of Yuzu's fan but honestly I feel sorry for Nathan. I feel like they are pushing a lot on him. He got potential but I really hope they take good care of their athlete.
This is the best comment ever! Yuzu is, like Plushenko and others say, from another planet. He is in a completely different level. Yuzu has the real "whole package".
And the BBC commentator who said that isn't just anyone. He's Robin Cousins - four-time Brit champ.
Wait, WHAT?
TWELVE WHOLE SEATS LENGTH?
That's...
INCREDIBLE!
man.....if fs was judged correctly yuzuru's world records would be near impossible to beat
Totally agree. Fair judgement is needed to be advocated.
Yuzuru’s jumps have great height, difficult entries, good speed and flow when entry and land the jumps. I cannot understand why some judges give +2 or even only +1 as Yuzuru’s clean jumps fulfil most of the GOE elements.
Uno’s jumps seem have the problems such as under-rotated and cheated especially the quad loop in the video, and his free leg sometimes almost touches the ice when landing. I am confused about why these jumps can always get +2, +3 GOE.
P.S.: I really want to know why Yuzuru’s counter 3A and spread eagle 4lo cannot get +3? Which element is insufficient compared to Javier or Uno’s (GOE+3) 3A?......
The 2nd 4F is even worse than that 4Lo. They should give a < mark.
6 judges gave the 3A +3s, I think the other that gave +2s was because it was a bit off-axis in the air. As for the spreadeagle 4Lo it was clearly off-axis in the air and had not much speed on the landing so I can see why not +3 for that.
By comparison, we can see that the quality of yuzuru's jump is so high.Ashamed of ISU! Yuzu performed really great! Thank you soooooo much！
I think most obviously it is the quality of the landings where there is a MAJOR difference. Yuzuru's landings are easy and smooth whereas Shoma's are wild and hard to control. In the air during rotation they are similar.
Yuzuru's 3A is so much better than others in the height and with complex entry and beautiful landing and speed. While uno's 4 lo seems UR and also the free leg touches the ice for some of his landings. I wish judges could align criteria for all the players. Current judge system is ridiculously unfair
many of his jumps has the question of free leg touching ice(or almost touching ice)，yet the judges ignore that
I always adore Japan for its strictness in the quality control of their products, and their "never cheating" reputation. So lucky Japan has Yuzuru as their pride and representative. He spent so much effort to polish every element in his program, his spin, his steps, his jumps, it reflects what Japan stands for. All his hard work should be fairly rewarded. I don't understand why they underscore him considering his contribution to this sport. It seems like because of his domination in this sport, he paid more tax than others and then, bang ! After the tax paid he receive less point than others with subsidy
tt Lo I know! So unfair
tt Lo I thought Evgina was a clean give away that judging was corrupt and unfair lol
tt Lo i wonder why judges give 3 to Javier but can't give 3 to Yuzu creative 3A. Yuzu 3A entry is amazing and look more difficult than others
They really did the most to make Shoma Uno the new World Champion or Javier Fernandez the new 3-time World Champion but universe said the otherwise and still chose Yuzuru Hanyu despite of all obstacles.
They tried. Even in the Olympics they tried but Yuzu is touched by fate, he has an epic destiny ahead of him. Corruption and adversity can try to take him down over and over and over but he'll always get up and fight his way back.
Yuzu's 4Lo in sp, 3A in sp, 4s in LP definitely should get 3 in GOE. His 3F in LP is also perfect. ISU should consider retraining their judges if they don't follow the rule when giving GOE.
Uno's free leg is usually too low when he lands. His toe jumps always look like edge jumps, which is a thing ISU should take serious just as how they treat taking off with wrong edge
Did you guys realized the rules and regulations of judging GOE that shown in the beginning of the video? There are 8 elements to judge how many points should add to the jump/spin/step sequence, and I remember for +3, the skater should fulfill at least 5-6 elements or above.
By comparing other two skaters with Hanyu, you can see the transition in and out of Hanyu's jumps were so difficult and skillful! The jumps are textbook. In my understanding, once the skater fulfill the requirements, they should gain certain points according to the rules. Of course, you may say some judging element is quite subjective, and that's why we have this video. Hanyu for sure, every jump is able to get points of GOE. However, none of his jumps get +3 in World Championship 2017 for both SP and LP. And you can see in the video, the two skaters are getting +2.XX to +3 for GOE but when we compare them with Hanyu, objectively, I must say Hanyu did much better! Either the jumps or transitions and landing. And take a look of Hanyu's GOE, it is much lower than other two skaters.
That's totally acceptable that the judgers may not think Hanyu is perfect enough to get +3 for GOE, as I said, some elements are quite subjective for justice. But only one thing, PLEASE USE THE SAME STANDARD TO TREAT EVERY SKATERS!!!
I am not saying that the two skaters are not good. What I thinking about is that they are not judging and adding GOE for your skills, but for who are you and where are you from. I think most of you could recognize the unfairness of the justice. The judgers are just having different rules and standards for Hanyu which is totally unfair and unacceptable.
I agree with you. While Hanyu Yuzuru certainly isn't perfect, you can see how dedicated and passionate about skating he is, and how much work he puts into his jumps, spins, steps, etc. While Shoma is also very diligent and a skilled skater, this and many other videos show that he needs to work on some of his elements. I think you're right when you say that Hanyu is being judged at an entirely different standard, which really isn't fair despite that he is on an entirely different level.
Oh Yuzuru Hanyu Always got underscores GOE in most of his career not only in 2017 WC. I just don't understand what through the judges mind when they gave the scores ?
Did you see how close Yuzu's and Shoma's final scores were? For some reason the ISU and JSF are selling Shoma to overtake Yuzuru. I wonder why. Shoma is not on Yuzu's level, they're just making people believe he is by inflating his GOE. What is their purpose I wonder? Shoma isn't even on the level of Javier but it looks like they sure want people to think he is. Why would they be grooming him like this? Why would the ISU and the JSF want to undermine the gift to them that Yuzu is?
There are only 2 reasons that this happened.
1. The judges are biased
2. The judges are blind
Thank you for sharing this video, as there's finally evidence that shows just how much the judging system is screwed. Even with all the underscoring, Yuzuru Hanyu still manages to break a world record. I agree to the fact that this is the most underscored world record yet. To not grant Yuzuru's 3As +3s in GOEs is beyond me. C'mon judges, stop being bias and give the kid some proper scores. Over-scoring the skater representing your country? That's fine. Biasses are unavoidable. But to downgrade another skater's hard work and dedication and talent by giving unfair scores is unacceptable. GIVE CREDIT WHEN CREDIT IS DUE! I hope this video comes to the ISU's attention, or we'll be seeing another score scandal in Pyeongchang olympics...
Another possibility. I hope this is not the case, but...
3. The judges got bribes so they favor Uno.
Btw, also Uno's flutz has been often overlooked since he was a child.
In the 2010 Chubu district contest for 11 to 13 year olds, he definitely jumped a flutz, but he did not receive even a "!" mark, not to mention the "e" mark.
Seriously? First time hearing about this. Even Hanyu the JWC in 2010 got called for his flip edges
As for Uno's flutz in 2010 Chubu district novice competition, here's a proof.↓
ua-cam.com/video/UI8u8zjv6HY/v-deo.html
The scene of the take off is 1:10~1:11. That's definitely a flutz.
But look at the protocol.↓ Uno's in the 1st place.
www.jsfresults.com/National/2010-2011/fs/block4/data0505.pdf
There's no "e" nor "!" and 2 of the 5 judges gave +2 for GoE. Another 2 gave +1. No one gave -1~-3.
I agree and I'm also so sorry, and I saw Italian experts who spoke about it after OG 2018 on some TV channel (they said even that Yuzuru Hanyu has been underscored for a long time), but this judging system is surely surely better than the older one, with only 10 points when each judge could use each mark only once. I remember the frustration which I felt in some moments of scoring even now after years. There was a time I convinced I can't see it anymore. So I did not. And then with a new rules and judging system I has been able to watch it again. It's not perfect for sure, but it's really better by my opinion.
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Yes. I don't doubt it. It's said the JSF don't like Yuzuru's popularity or whatever. They are totally hyping Shoma the way the ISU in the US are totally hyping Chen. Shoma doesn't have the following or the star power Yuzuru has. He's cute but he's not Yuzuru cute and he has nowhere near Yuzu's golden personality. So that's not going to work for them. Maybe that's what they want. Someone less charismatic than Yuzu that isn't so much work. Less security, less crowd control, less cleanup on the ice, less rock concert atmosphere, less screaming fans. Less complaints from other skaters about the attention Yuzu gets.
So that's why Yuzu once said he wanted to do jumps that earns 3+ no matter how you look at it. He probably knew the judges are playing it dirty on him, so he wants to smack it on their faces by letting any other who has eyes acknowledge his jumps.
And we haven't even started on the PCS.
Oh Yeah! He did say that in an interview if i Remember correctly? When it comes to Yuzuru, im Very very impressed with his jumps, but his artistry and passion is amazing!!
It's also probably the reason behind his thesis where he recommended using AI tech to analyse jumps in order to remove the human bias from it.
When are judges ever gonna be fair:/ Yuzu deserves so much more.
It's just funny that Hanyu's gotten himself to a point where they can't inflate his scores since those would simply end up being his rightful scores. So they have to inflate others and to leave room for that, they have to skim Hanyu's scores (and deduct whatever they could, even for things they could've and would've usually overlooked). That's just the way it is, I guess. Even Chan needed blatant inflation to get to where he was pre-Sochi. But here, pre-PC, Hanyu remains far enough ahead despite getting skimmed scores (as opposed to the inflation of others) and making mistakes himself. This is how good the guy is. **shakes head**
I believe the guy himself knows it, too. And that his solution is to simply be better. And if that means increased tech difficulty and higher consistency in cleanliness to build momentum, then his fate would be in nobody's hands but his own.
And that, I feel, is the best solution of all.
Yep, Yuzuru Hanyu's scores has been deflated after his 2nd Olympic gold medal while other skaters' scores are inflated. Yuzuru's jumps are the best with both power and beauty and he is so dedicated to his performance and yet, ISU is inflating other skaters and just crowned a new 2022 Olympic gold medalist. Since 2018, ISU changed their judging system where skaters can get +5 GOE. Damn, since 2018, Yuzuru has been working and changing his programs, but his scores were always deflated. In 2019 Worlds Championship in Saitama, he did a 4T + 3A + SEQ and received +3.12 GOE. This was a SCANDAL because this combination has never been done, especially a jump into a 3A. It's terribly difficult to do. Nope, he didn't win Worlds, but man, he was fighting like hell. It was a great performance.
If you really think Shoma's jumps are clean and deserve +3 goe when Yuzu got only 1 and 2's, then you are blind. Period.
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He is prerotate his 4f. Why theres positive GOE tho.
@@imcskchannel2864 he also uses his entire blade to jump, it’s a floop not a flip
Great video! My feeling is that there are obviously two sets of standards for ISU to treat Yuzuru Hanyu and others just as they are NOT in the same scoring system. I'm so upset about this because I know Yuzuru is a man going for perfect in every details. He broke the limit of highest standard again and again and pushed this sport to an unprecedented level. He definitely deserves more. To the ISU JUDGES: WE ARE NOT BLIND, SHAME ON YOU!!!
I swear to God if they'd scored Shoma's 4Loop higher than Yuzuru's I'd have had a heart attack. On the other hand those triple axel scores are a disgrace. Yuzuru is the best at that jump, without question.
A strong jumper would never be afraid of slow motion replay. ISU and JSF, especially JSF, will take their consequences after Yuzu's retirement.
Most of shoma's quads are just 3.2 rotations. He has so many wrong edges and horrible landing. A 4f that's neither a flip Nor a quad. I'm so shook the judges turns a blind eye so much. They freaking deducted Yuzu for late start. *Shakes my head*
What we intended is not so called "FANS BATTLE", all we wish is a fair judgement.
Yuzuru deserves more.
辛苦了
羽生值得更高的分數，不只一國的解說稱讚過他教科書般的跳躍，可以接受嚴格打分但不能接受雙標。
Yuzu's 3A deserve +3 ！！！
Shoma Uno still got very high GOE while his jumps were underrotated. Unbelievable.
Mio An not only are they UR but he pre rotated excessively as well
I don't get why this kid is so loved by the judges, he cheats all the time. To an amateur it might look like he has a cool style so I don't blame people for loving him anyway, but the judges? They just keep letting him off the hook
durcheinander considering we have judges letting Flutzgenia off the hook this isn’t surprising
Hahah I think I'm gonna start calling her that :D Surprises me more with with him tho. She's Russian after all, the odds are in her favor
durcheinander they don’t have any Russian men to inflate so I guess Shoma is the next best thing
Yuzu deserves higher goe scores!! This video is solid proof!
No offensive to skaters themselves, but there are only two conclusions I could ever get from this video - either Yuzuru was underscored or Shoma was overscored. There was no way that Yuzuru HANYU did not get +3 for wonderfully landing these flawless quads and triple axels without any prerotation. What I am saying is that the WC version Hope and Legacy (Yuzuru's FS program) definitely deserves a higher score even though it has already been the world record. And no doubt, Let's Go Crazy (the short) also worthes plus three goe for the execution of 4Lo and 3A. Again, agree with Celeste B, Yuzuru's H&L is the most underscored world record ever :)
This video is so accurate, it gives everyone the opportunity to judge facing the facts. Thank you so much for sharing it!
Yuzuru Hanyu is too good with natural talents that ISU have to inflate other skaters to give it competition and to create a new champion. This has already been done since after Yuzuru Hanyu won his 2nd gold Olympic medal and his scores continued to be deflated, making him not #1 in the men's figure skating anymore. Now, it's all about the jumps, especially doing the most quads and even if your program is not all (drawing in the audience), as long as your program have no falls, you basically get above 90 PCS. That's all there is to it. You just have to jump the quads, even if it's easy entries and that that beautiful...as long as it's landed, you're better than Yuzuru Hanyu. Damn, Yuzuru has been treated unfairly since 2018 and fighting like hell to get to #1 again, but regardless, he's still the GOAT. Like the Canadian commentators, including Kurt Browning, there are good and great skaters, but there is only Yuzuru Hanyu. He's roo special and in a class of his own.
I really want those judges to see this video and realize what they have done to such an outstanding athlete.
We all want to give Yuzu the fairest scores in the competition, even he has won the gold medal. Shona is also a good skater. But he has got higher GOE than Yuzu, although his jumps look not as beautiful as Yuzu. I think it is really unfair.
羽生くんのSPの３Ａ（バックカウンターから跳んで、着氷後に足を思い切り蹴り上げる）に+３を付けないで、何につけるんですかーって思ってみてたら、ハビエルのジャンプに＋３ついてたｗ まあ、大きいジャンプだったけどね・・・。ＦＳでは、宇野くんの滞空時間が短い小さなジャンプにも加点多い。プレロテだし、着氷後のフリーレッグが氷につきそうなジャンプも多い割に彼は評価されてるよね、不思議だー。イタリアの放送では、羽生くんのジャンプにほとんど＋３でも良い！って言われてたね。
Thank you for making this video! I really agree that the judges were unfair with giving out the scores! I like Shoma a lot and he has improved so much, he deserved winning silver for sure (just with a little lower score though), but how come he got more +3 and +2 than Yuzu? He still underrotates most of his jumps and that should be called out, while Yuzu does not have a single underrotation and, of course, as you said, has difficult entries and exits in and out of his jumps, which is impressive and should be awarded.
Also, going with PCS wise, they were also unfair. Like at 4CC, the judges are giving high PCS to skaters who have a lot of quads but don't have that great skating skills, while those who don't have so many quads but have excellent skating skills, like Jason Brown and Patrick Chan especially, are given lower PCS (Shoma had the same PCS as Patrick at the Worlds' FS, come on!). Anyways, I'm sorry for this rant, but it's so frustrating when this happens, I like things to be fair, nationalities and preferences should not exist when scoring =(((
"he deserved winning silver for sure (just with a little lower score though)"
"but how come he got more +3 and +2 than Yuzu? "
"has difficult entries and exits in and out of his jumps, which is impressive and should be awarded"
It is really most heartbreaking to see Yuzu not well recognized in GOE for all he does. With all those fabulous jumps and the efforts going into his program, why shouldn't he be awarded?
Thanks for making this great video. With the comparison we can see the unfairness clearly.Obviously Yuzuru deserves higher GOE , all his jumps deserves GOE +3 ,especially his 3A .I hope that referees can give the scores with more fairness .
Someone (or all of us) needs to post this to ISU social pages or something to bring it to their attention because honestly, it's just plain unfair and unjust.
But wondering how they will react. Would they, instead of correcting their own wrong, take it out on Yuzu instead? I do not feel much trust...sorry to say that
But I think it might not be a good idea. ISU has the judging power.It is very unlikely that they will be convinced to change their way of grading. If we make a big fuzz under their own sns account，it might turn out to be harmful to Yuzu instead. The judges might be annoyed and take it out on Yuzu. Let's keep it a separate discussion between ice fans. Do not go so far as to post it to ISU's site.
I've thought of that too but then again, IF they do the negative reaction of making things difficult for Yuzu then they would seem petty and degrade their own reputation and I doubt they want that. And rather than making a big fuss out of it and bombarding their page, it's more like just 'wanting' them know that such as situation exists. Then again, social media is pretty huge these days so I doubt we'll actually need to post on their page, they'll probably see it somehow eventually.
Bringing this to ISU won't harm Yuzuru. There was a lot of talk about Nathan's PCS and you saw the campaign to try and justify it. In other words, bringing this to ISU attention is good. It's a -we are watching you, careful - type of thing. Yuzuru's scores are going to get worse next season. ISU doesn't want him for a repeat Olympic champion, they want Shoma or Nathan. So this won't hurt him. It can only be good though probably it won't do much, as ISU is an awful organization.
I cannot be sure about that. Each case is different for each skater from different country，at different position. I would not do it at Yuzu's risk. And as Die Hart said，it is already big now on social media，no need to go that far as directly posting to isu
Any 3A yuzuru jumps satisfy at least six bullets, but do not get goe＋3.Others satisfy at most four bullets,can get goe+3. I really want to know what the referee's standard.
Yuzu is the best man in the world, the most precious man of our True fans. He've paid so much efforts to perish his performances. However, seems labor in vain because of the unfair judgement. If some of these so-called fans don't cherish him, we will support and try our best to protect him instead.
there is a mistake in this video,“4F”should be “3.25F”
Love this lol
actually, it shouldn’t even say “3.25F”, in my opinion. shoma picked with his entire blade rather than just his toe pick, which basically makes his “flip” an edge jump rather than a toe jump, which makes it a loop. i love shoma, but that jump should have gotten the value of a 3.25Lo, not even a 3.25F. a “floop”, if you will. i still can’t believe that even with all the technical panels the judges can’t even see excessive full blade rotation, pre-rotation, and under-rotation when it’s staring them right in the face.
It's 3Lo, actually.
at first i though he will do spiral 😂😂
@Nicole Luo I think the ISU rulebook actually literally ALLOWS skaters to use prerotation. Like, they don't let the judges and tech panel slow down the footage if they want to check a skaters take off, so it's pretty easy to get away with prerotation and things like that. Of course, I could be mistaken, but I remember reading that somewhere. But yeah, I agree with you, they seriously need to do something about how they score Shoma and the rest on their jumps and such.
並べて見ると選手の個性がはっきり分かるので面白いですね🤣
私は細かいルールは分からないけど羽生さんのジャンプは世界一美しいと思ってます。ジャンプに関しては他の追随を許さないくらいです。
助走が極端に少ないのに全く力まず、ふわっと跳ぶ。初めて生で見たときは震え上がりました！
宇野さんはジャンプのタイミングが絶妙です。プログラムに溶け込んでます。
3A-3Tは特に音と合いすぎてて！（キーン！のあと無音になってその時跳ぶやつです）
私はプロトコルが絶対だと思っていません。と言うのもむかし織田くんが完璧に決めた美しい4T-3Tを大人の都合で回転不足扱いにしたからです。それはオリンピックシーズンの出来事でした。
もうそろそろオリンピックシーズンが始まります。疑惑の採点が無くなるように、全ての選手に対して公平にジャッジをして欲しいですね。
Thank you for the video. Regardless of which skater we are rooting for, all skating fans want to see 'justice' in the scores. The scores/judgements from all judges must be acurate as much as HUMANLY possible. Skaters should receive the points which their performance deserves, as their protocol guides them to the next step for their future development. Some may say that we shouldn't complain about judges' scores or judgements. I agree to this to some extent; however when we can see any intentions other than assessing each performance purely and fairly, we should not turn an blind eye."Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are." ~ Benjamin Franklin. All we want is justice and consistency to all skaters standing on the ice rink as we want to keep enjoying and appreciating this wonderful sport- figure skating.
Yuzuru's 3A are so fabulous !! He should be treated in a just way .
what stands out to me the most is that SOME of the judges were getting ready to throw all the candies at javier fernandez and inflate his marks as much as they could, this is worrisome for everyone and should not be ignored, there has to be a reaction against the constant overscoring of fernandez or this will affect the Olympics, he messed up his fs too much this time so they couldn't give him all the gifts they were ready to throw. I love Javier Fernandez, he is one of the best skaters ever and he is clearly a great person, I am sure he is not responsible fr this but something has to be done, not against him but just to tell the judges that we are on to them
By overscoring a skater so much they are definitely not recognizing them in the way they should too.
This really should be put a stop at.
I don't think you need to worry about them over-scoring Javi. The quads he did perfectly got high scores because they were done SO well. But, as you can see, when the program fell apart the judges did not hesitate to drop him down in the ranks. Javi does have a maturity, confidence and musical interpretation that is better than most of the male skaters. He also had a LOT of footwork whereas Shoma and Yuzuru's programs were a little light on footwork. Look at the whole picture, not just the jumps.
If you wanna say Yuzu's is light on footwork, you gotta bring data. For what I know, he has brilliant footwork.
officeaddict33 Light on footwork?? Where in the world did you get that from??
Thank you for the bright analysis. It is obvious that Yuzu's jumps are underscored while Javi's and Uno's jumps are overscored. It's unfair. not right.
Javier and Shoma have had plenty of good jumps that deserved positive GOEs, but Yuzuru deserved a far better score, especially for this performance.
真心感謝中飯如此細心整理出這樣的視頻，不僅是為羽生結弦發聲，更是傳達出現今裁判打分上嚴重的弊病及其不公正，希望有更多人能夠觀看並且理解，謝謝
2017フィギュアスケート世界選手権男子シングルGOE加点の比較分析（羽生結弦、宇野昌磨、ハビエル・フェルナンデス）
このビデオを創作したのは、プロの方々と観客の皆さんに、羽生結弦選手の規範的な技術と高難度な踏み切り、着氷した後の複雑なステップが、もっと評価されるべきだと、伝える為である。
このビデオは終わったばっかりの2017フィギュアスケート世界選手権で男子シングル羽生結弦選手、宇野昌磨選手、ハビエル・フェルナンデス選手のショート、フリーでのジャンプ加点を比較、分析したものである。選手三人のGOE加点と、そのジャンプの踏み切り、質の高さ、着氷した後の動きの違いは、観客の皆さんもさて見えていたのだろう。
我々はジャッジがGOEを付く時、規定のルールによって、厳格に、そして何より公正に一人一人の選手に点を付いてもらいたい。願えば、選手全員が自分の演技にふさわしい成績を、自分の努力が無関係のものに干渉され、無駄にならないように。願えば、公平がいつでもこの聖なるリンクに存続し続け、この美しいスポーツがもっともっと、たくさんの人に好かれますように。
このビデオは中国のフィギュアスケートファンが創作したものである。我々はこのビデオをフィギュアファンのみの討論交流、切磋琢磨だけに制限し、商用など不法な使途を一切禁ずる。許可を得ていない他の場所での公開、及び転載は全て原作者が責任を追及する。我々は全てのメディア源（映像に使われていた全ての画像、音、文字含め）での法律用途及び著作権を保留する。
We are proud of Yuzuru, his long program was incredible and marvelous. Shoma Uno does have a better ability than some skaters, but his ability doesn't worth a 3 GOE score.
Fans have been a little less aggressive because Hanyu still wins with underscored programs, but when they decide to underscore hanyu and overinflate others in so that hanyu loses, there will be hell to pay
辛苦了!!
Yuzu值得更高的goe，這種雙標打分真的無法接受；；
裁判別水了，公正對待每個選手，免得獎台上不小心站了自由泳冠軍w
This is really worrisome. Not only is it unfair to Yuzu, but a skater always takes their protocols especially their GOEs seriously. They may pattern their overall workout based on their scores in their GOEs. The judges should always fairly judge whoever it is because the scores that they might give will always affect the development of the figure skater.
all comments during the FS and SP always call Yuzuru's jumps 'textbook', which I havn't heard them use for others, but then why are his GoEs so much lesser?
It's like Yuzu is the Hermione of Figure Skating and the judges are Professor Snape.
Namita Sankar Ha ha
Great video! Yuzuru’s jumps actually worth higher GOEs. It is obvious that these jumps in the video satisfy all the standards to get the award. It is upset to see that his GOEs were not as many as it was expected to be, while some other athletes could get higher scores with some distinct flaws!
Of course we respect other athletes well, and we know all the athletes spare no efforts to try their best, but it is unfair that the judges treat these athletes discriminatingly, and it is also bad for the athletes to improve their techniques.
We need fair judges, and we strongly wish the scores match athletes’ brilliant performance!
Yuzuru 3A2T GOE+2.00
Shoma 3A3T GOE+3.00
Why...?????🙃🙃🙃😩
The landing on Hanyu's 3A was bad, the left side swung back so not good flow bullet point or effortless bullet point and he didn't have a good extention so no bullet point for that so +2 is fair even though it looked good. Shoma had spread eagle takeoff, good height/distance, good flow, good extention (for a change), looked effortless and matched to music, no issues to deduct so yes +3 is fair.
Stop lying. His landing wasn't bad. Not in this competition. Hanyu's jump ticked the bullets easily. 1. Difficult entry/short set up to jump? Check. 2. Difficult movements/preceding steps into jump? Check. 3.Varied position in the air? He did the rippon so Check! 4.Good height and distance? Check ofc.5.Good extension on landing? Check. 6. Good flow? Check. 7.Effortless throughout? Are u kidding? It's 3A! Check. 8.Elements matched the music? This is subjective but for me yes. So??? Spread eagle is not the only "hard" elements skaters can do for the entry and exit for jumps. Look at Hanyu's steps into jump from his performance. He did mohawk, rocker,crossed chasse and 3 turn into the jump. I have nothing against shoma but seriously? Give only +2 for Hanyu when he did the most to get the points while Shoma only spread eagle into his jump. He didn't even had varied air position but he still got +3 because of other bullets criteria while Hanyu?
Lol, in what way was Hanyu's 3A landing bad? Are we seeing the same thing?
@@eienbeau His left side (shoulder and hip) wern't checked and swung round. If he hadn't put the double toe on the end he would either have stepped out or you'd have really seen a poor landing. That's why a +2 and not a +3
Ben Bailey Shoma's landing is worse. Not effortless at all. Shoma looked like he had to struggle to land it. and dont forget that his toeloop are all taken off with full blade.
This video shows how ISU is going to hell. Unfair judges. Wrong edges not being called. PCs forgotten or underscored. Seriously. Yuzuru is flawless, delicate and light. His jumping techniques are text book yet they seem effortless and mesmerising. And even with all that unfairness he's still breaking records. It makes you wonder what the real scores would have been...
Yuzuru, you are incredible! No matter what. The world knows it and you own it!
As many people said it was the most underscored World Recorded ever
Yuzuru still winning despite being underscored is a feat upon itself. The problem as i see it is that Yuzuru's dominance is so massive that if they properly and fairly scored Yuzuru, he would set records that would be unbreakable for decades or generations. Once he retires the ISU will be looking for a new champion for the next cycle. To promote the future champions they need to be able to write about them breaking records, so therefore Yuzuru's records need to remain within the reach of mere mortals.
Que apestoso... hay que ir por los anillos de Jordan, ya que han pasado más de 15 años de su retiro y no ha existido ni quien le llegue a los talones... si la ISU desea tener un negocio rentable y admirable, debe de ser justa en sus calificaciones, después de confirmar como han hecho con Yuzuru, no veré ni una maldlita olimpiada de hielo ni ningún deporte donde haya jueces gringos. Hay deportes que necesitan tecnologías para ser atractivos y éticos, y el patinaje artístico es de ellos. Ya que con abaratarlo, sólo consiguen tener un circo de maromistas que ni cirqueros ni artistas, es más los atletas del cirque du soleil transmiten (y son muy técnicos) más que estos robotcitos que ha creado la asquerosa ISU...
Good job ！！！thank you for your video. 辛苦了，加油！
wow hanyu's jump are just perfect.
Correction! From 3‘36“ to 3'45", Uno (actual score 2.29) and Fernandez (actual score 3) GOE score should be switched. From 6'21" to 6'31" and from 6'45" to 7'04", Uno's score should be 1.43 instead of 1.14. From 11'2" to 11'9", Hanyu's actual GOE score should be 2.43 instead of 2.71 on the screen. Sorry for the typos! I'm so careless... Anyone could tell me how to replace the video without deleting all these thought-provoking comments?
You can put a notification there to fix it.
羽生選手のジャンプは綺麗。お手本にされるのもわかる。羽生選手とハビエル選手は流れの中からジャンプを跳ぶ幅跳び型。GOEは総じて高いのも頷けるけど今回の羽生選手のGOEは押さえられているよう感じる。宇野選手のジャンプは低くてお世辞にも綺麗とは言えない。ジャッジの視点とは違うあくまでも個人の感想。競技ファンを増やしたいなら、このような理解し難いGOEの付け方は止めてほしい。
Shoma's 3.25 Loop given score of a 4 Flip. What the.... No wonder his score was so monstrous
あんまり、こういう疑問は抱えたくないけれど……、羽生くんのジャンプのGOE はもう少し高くないとおかしいのでは？と思ってしまうのはファン心 というものなのだろうか？
私にとって、世界で一番美しいジャンプの持ち主は羽生結弦だ。これも全て羽生くんファン故だろう。
皆同じGOEにならないといけないなら、人間が審査してはダメだね。機械化しなきゃ……
そういう点も理解してるから、ジャッジに関しては諦めている。
For the sake of fairness, this video just post these performances together and doesn't give any personal opinion. It's quite clear, YUZU deserves much more GOE. PLEASE KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN.
Chinese fans don't want to cause conflicts, and that's the reason why this video only contains the elements and scores, not personal opinions. We sincerely hope that if the judges can see this video, it will remind them of the fairness in the sports field.
乔子乔 Chinese fan u did a very good job. 👍👍👍
Amazing GOEs with pre-rotation, "edge" toe, and "really low" free leg. Go ahead ISU judges, you can bring out an evolution to figure skating. Wait & See...
海外の方々が、世界選手権のユズルのFPは史上最小評価だなんて言ってくださるなんてありがたいことですね。
ジャッジは滑ったこともない人もなってるて聞いたことありますが本当でしょうか？
ファギュアの採点は昔から問題ありましたが、今後はAIに見てもらった方がいいかな？
Thanks for making the video! It just shows the unfairness, doesn't aim at anyone. But I think the judges knew everything, they just want to give Yuzu a lower score because of SOME REASONS...
このvideoを見ての率直な感想…
羽生結弦と言う選手の各要素を客観的指標に基づいて平等に評価をしているのか？を問うたvideoだと思います。（決して、ハビくん、宇野くんをsageている訳ではないと思うが？）問題は、羽生さんの各要素がほぼ「ルール内の規定項目」で評価されている訳ではなく、「対過去の羽生結弦選手要素」で評価されている点である。これは主にジャッジ・サイドの主観による判定と成るため、各選手が評価されているような「規定項目要素の遂行」とは異なる評価方法となる。（羽生選手なら、ｶｳﾝﾀｰからの３Aやｲｰｸﾞﾙからのジャンプは跳べて当たり前と言う…）果たしてきちんと「ルールに定めれらた規定項目」に則って全ての要素を各選手ごとに客観的に評価していると「ISU」側・ジャッジ側は答えられるだろうか？「否」である。ここで評価対象者として取りあげられている選手と比較してみてもなんら遜色ないどころか、直前までジャンプ準備動作もなく自然な流れで（難しいステップを踏み）ジャンプし尚且つ着氷後直ぐに次に振付動作に移行しているのであるから。（視覚角度が異なるなどの問題点があったとしてもなお…である。）このような評価（各選手ごとに評価基準があいまいになっている）を行っていけば、少なからず今後のフィギュアスケート界に影響を及ぼしていくものと考える。
「規格外選手＝羽生結弦選手」だったとしても、自分たちで作成した「ルール」をきちんと原則通り運用していかなければ、新しい「ルール」を作成しても無意味と考える。
So grateful to you for making this!! 真的謝謝你！
首先，我们只是把比赛录像拿出来做了一个技术分析对比，是分析事实，就事论事对事而不对人；其次，我们只是想要所有的选手都能在一个公平公正的比赛环境里努力拼搏，无关国籍也无关利益；最后，希望这个视频能够带来一些正面的东西，而不是一场毫无意义的乱仗。
Firstly, Chinese fans just made a video to analyse and compare the TES, as well as to find out the fact. There is NO personal feelings. Secondly, we just hope that every skater can skate in a fair
and equal environment where is not for interest or nationality. We honestly wish this video could bring something positive. We are fighting only for justice but not for creating a battle among all the fans or any other meaningless mess.
Currently, ISU gets itself into some “profit and benifit” too deeply to even touch the surface.
I'm surprised Yuzuru has so many Chinese fans, I thought Chinese hate Japanese.
Hardly. Check out this story. www.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/2014-12/15/content_19088190.htm
Also, the Chinese government (through its embassy in Tokyo) gave Hanyu a stuffed panda toy after his second Olympic win, wishing him the best in Beijing! ua-cam.com/video/bDPJh1-NKTw/v-deo.htmlm2s
not only jump's GOEs, the spin and steps' GOEs are also unfair
正直この大会の羽生選手のフリーのジャンプ(単独の3回転以外)は全部＋3が妥当だと思いますね
辛苦了！感谢姑娘的视频！有些事情通过对比之后真的是一目了然，真心希望柚子所有的努力不被辜负！
That is ironic that Shoma's jumps earned high GOE and seemed clean. Yet his jumps are all cheated with simple entry movements. What a scandal it is! I try to understand that ISU wants to make more "superstars" in Men's competitions and is quite generous to give those "selected stars" higher GOE, but all programs should be judged with the same guidelines. Anyway, skating fans are not fools.
Shoma will never be a superstar. At least not on the level of Yuzu. Shoma doesn't have that "it" factor. He might be a kind of a cute little thing, but Yuzu came out of the gate on fire and changed EVERYTHING. He took over the ice like a rockstar. That can't be repeated. Not by Shoma, not by Nathan.
Thank you so much for making this video. "Uno landing" is so ugly. Prerotation should be called. GOE should not be inflated. Skating order should not affect GOE. Look at the first jump of Javier Fernandez, all judges gave +3, you know what judges wanted to do...
BTW, Is the Spanish judge who gave Yuzuru super low score a member of Javier Fernandez's team⁇ Is it allowed⁈ Shame on ISU...
it might affect the goe but a prerotation of less than 1/3 is still a valid jump, and in any case some people actually find the landing quite nice. i do think the scores are skewed though and isu definitely needs to work this out
The uno landing is nice? I don't know... I remember Yuzuru having such a landing in the gpf 2016 SP for his 3a and his GOE wasn't as high as usual. I don't see why Shoma making the same landing is somehow considered nice and when Yuzuru does it people say it wasn't perfect.
Jessica W I think what axoletl means is some people think prerotation makes landing nice. Not Uno landing is nice. Yuzu's landing of 3A in SP of GPF 2016 was not perfect as it was this time, but still it was not Uno landing. Shoma's landing was really bad, that's one of the reason why he got low GOE.
Ah I see, I thought it was about that scary knee bend and a running leg that nearly touches the ice plus the jerky arm movement that characterizes Shoma's landings... I think he still got great GOEs for jumps like that though, I was surprised when I saw his protocols. He got quite a lot of +2s for it which is just mind boggling. I like the way he moves to the music but among the top 6 skaters I hate his jumps the most.
Jessica W Yes, you were right. Shoma got high GOE for that interesting technique...The comparison in the video shows that Yuzu deserves more GOE because of his perfect jumps. Speaking of the moves to the music, I recently read an article about Shoma saying he omits/compromises his step sequence and spin for jumps this season...for example, his chsq is so short...I also question his pcs, and GOE on step sequence and spin. I think he is using selected music to hide his poor step sequence.
幸苦了！！ really appreciated your work！
BTW thank you so much for making this video and posting this on UA-cam! Some people really needs to polish their eyes and realize the truth. Whether to consider technically or artistically, there are big gaps between Yuzuru Hanyu and Shoma Uno. For us who do not have bias due to the nationality, there's no doubt that Yuzuru Hanyu is much better than another Japanese skater.
I hope this video goes extremely viral so that each and every one of you could stop turning a blind eye to the truth.
Angel0923
Totally agree with you👍
Hanyu doesn't have a history of being overscored like this. If he had, he would've won worlds 2015, sc2016 plus worlds 2014 with a better margin just to name a few.
Nobody blamed the skaters, they blame the judges and point out the skaters' flaws. Which is perfectly acceptable because it's just obviously there. Why can't viewers point out cheated technique? Relax, everyone knows the skaters aren't the ones who give themselves scores and GOEs.
+ Angel0923
"This was happening for a long time even Hanyu in the past was over scored"
Теперь оцениваем мы зрители и Юдзуру будет всегда чемпионом наших сердец и самым лучшим и первым 🙋♀️🌈🖐️❤️❤️❤️🇯🇵
Так- то оно так, но сколько пережил этот мальчик! По его глазам было видно. Эпоха Ханю запомнится не только его блистательными достижениями, но и тем, как ISU ,, гнобило" величайшего фигуриста современности.
@@СветланаФочкина Это жестокий и несправедливый вид спорта но такой прекрасный и Юдзуру Ханью нам ежедневно дарит красоту фигурного катания 🙆♀️🖐️🇯🇵
Shame on ISU
Thank you to all the people who contributed to this video. This issue should be paid attention to!
Yuzuru's jumps were definitely most light and look natural, Shoma's triple axel combination was good as well but it looked more forced, so Yuzuru's GOEs should've been higher. Also, Shoma's prerotations and full blade takeoffs for his flips were never called out, he's essentially doing floops instead of actual flips
Shoma's 4F uses the edge, making it a loop
THANK YOU SO MUCH (for exposing the dirty judging schemes behind the table) !
I love my baby shoma and he is very talented but yuzuru jump should have score higher than him. Yuzuru literally have the most beautiful jump.
Good job!!!♥ Yuzu should get more GOE !!!
Thank you, I don't agree with the goe too. But yuzuru always pull through in the hardships, and clearly, he still got the WR eventhough he is not the judges favourite.
Obviously, this judging is unfair. Even not only in this #helsinki 2017.：）I really hope that more people to know about it.Please let yuzuru get the scores in he deserves it.
shoma has pre rotations on the ice.
6:54 Shoma's flip doesn't look like a flip to me?? (don't get me wrong, I love Shoma) When he takes off the whole blade is on the ice instead of only the toepick. Correct me if I'm wrong.
And Yuzu definitely deserves more.
Lala That 4 flip is in fact a 3.25 loop (underrotated)
Qiqi Chia ahh i see thanks!
Yupz that is not Flip but Floop haha 🤣. And the judges give him +GOE with uncontrolled landing too haha
This comment is to the voices that think we shouldn't against the ISU's judging system. Seriously, this video just mixed different jumps together with no comment, if you feel uncomfortable with it, it means that you also find out how ridiculous the GOE score is. If Uno's jumps are really deserve that high GOE, how come will you feel embarrassed to compare with yuzu's jumps.
Yuzuru : beautiful entry and exit, the height, length, body position and landing transition are all textbook-ish. Obviously not the same level with the other two. The judges couldn’t tell?! What were they thinking ...
On the 4Lo Shoma is spinning 1 rotation while his toe pick is still on the ice before he take off.
Shoma Uno was overscored
Well just watched the quad flip over again... Shoma's prerotation made it almost an edge jump. I do not understand why he still has a plus GOE XD
Judges,Please make more studies.
WTF? It’s no question for me. Hanyu Yuzuru still owns the best FS program in history. Shame on the ISU
also yuzuru being completely robbed of the +3s in the triple axels he deserved was a very common theme
Shoma uno's fucking jump quality.
SHAME ON ISU.