We are actually aware of one of the patents infringed. Here : "In a first mode, an aiming direction in a virtual space is determined based on a second operation input, and a player character is caused to launch, in the aiming direction, an item that affects a field character disposed on a field in the virtual space, based on a third operation input. In a second mode, the aiming direction is determined, based on the second opetion input, and the player character is caused to launch, in the aiming direction, a fighting character that fights, based on the third operation input." For those who doesn't want to read or don't understand, this is basically the concept of throwing an item at something, which in here would be throwing a pokeball. However there is loads of issues in that. Those are : - The concept of the patent is extremely vague. Because of the vagueness, throwing a grenade at an enemy in a shooter would infringe the patent, making the whole patent unreliable. - The patent was filed on May 2nd, 2024, which is several months AFTER the release of Palworld and decades after the pokemon licence started. - The patent was accepted in August and Nintendo attacked in September. This is clearly a deliberate act of lawfare where Nintendo want to hurt Palworld financally as hard as possible.
All I'm sure of is it's the ending of gaming and innovation of gaming. There's no such thing as honor to any single company in existence and even if they tell you they have honor, they're flat out liars hoping to make you stfu through law or "moral standing" or thru peer pressure.
Hello so does anyone remember the 1st assassin's creed game from UBISOFT. Nintendo breath of the wild copied the mechanics where in AC the assassin gets to a sync point that allows players to view the surrounding area and a area of the map gets revealed in breath of the wild when link reaches the top of a tower he uses the slate then a cut scene viewing the surrounding area and an area of the map gets revealed same mechanics but UBISOFT thought of the idea 1st
Yo-kai watch was competition but the Pokemon company copied them in Sun and Moon, Rotom Dex is a ripoff of whisper they're not hiding it even the black line between it eyes, more cartoony Artstyle in the anime, Z-ring= Yo-kai watch, Z-moves= Soultimate moves, Z- crystal= Yo-kai medal, obviously they didn't invent dancing, dancing when doing Z-moves= dancing when sending out Yo-kai.
The problem with Nintendo nowadays or at least the Pokemon Company is that they HATE competition. Why else do you think they are consider in a genre of they own? They don't have to compete with other devs in popular categories. This is the reason why Miyamoto is feared in the department. He pushes and he pushes whatever team he runs HARD even when he has nobody to race aginst! Pokemon Company doesn't have that type of person in their department and now they're scared another cash cow is eating the grass.
Nintendo in 2017: The code of honor says you a Japanese game company can not enforce a patent against another Japanese game company by suing them. You sue us, we sue you ten fold! Nintendo in 2024: FUCK THE CODE OF HONOR!!!
@@TaIathar it is tho. Corporate Name CEO Description of Business Founded Office Pocketpair, Inc. Takuro Mizobe Game planning, development, and operation April 2015 Higashigotanda Square Building, 2-10-2 Higashigotanda, Shinagawa-ku, Tokyo 141-0022 information available on their own website. what are you talking about.
Recently Japanese game industry consultant Dr. Serkan Toto compared Nintendo's actions and behavior to the Mafia/Yakuza and said that the company is now acting and behaving the way it is now acting and behaving because they are scared of Palword and feels themselves threatened and disrespected when they suddenly have real competition.
@duduvec5971 I can confirm the weird mentality with the disrespect thing though. The comments from Japan are wild and extremely stupid and irrational. They don't realize what it would mean for their own livelihood and development if Nintendo gets away with this. Honor and Seniority won't always save them from people's wrong doing, Greed is an unfortunate human nature, no matter one's culture.
@@lunerlilly Not only that, by sucking up to Nintendo, they are _SPITTING_ on Eons worth of Honor that has made up their culture, that predate _both_ Nintendo and the Yakuza in general.
Fact that nintendo needs to realize: the "catching" mechanic doesn't belong to nintendo. One of the first games (if not the first) to have it was Megami Tensei which was released 4+ years before Red/blue/green/yellow was released for Japan.
Unfortunately the first person to patent something gets to keep it. Though it could be used as an argument that ball catching is unoriginal and generic and therefore is unpatentable.
@@Mewza Wrong, you're supposed to only be able to patent something that is a novel idea and can't be easily replicated. If others have done it before you, it's not a novel idea.
O really? Musicians like Prince copyrighted his songs and so do other artists like Eminem. Paintings don't have patents, but all pictures you find during your Google search do. All pictures are patented by someone. They are all behind a wall of money. So you are wrong in everything you just claimed.
@@vuurwater6784 to be more clear, one thing is "do not make a company/brand of cereal called Kellogggs with the same logo and almost same mascot, but instead "do not sell corn in the form of flakes cereal" kind of situation. One is protecting their image from potential misuse or confusing costumers, another is stopping people from entering the market as competition
Keep in mind this is the Japanese Legal system. Their court has different rules. I'm very interested in seeing what patent Palworld is being accused of infringing on, and I'm enough of a Devil's Advocate to not assume this is nothing. I can't really think of a patent here that holds up besides: 'the act of putting monsters in balls to fight with later' but I ain't a legal expert for the land I live, much less anywhere else. I'm honestly shocked this ISN'T a copyright thing, because some of those designs were REALLY too similar to Pokemon to me to be safe. When it looks like they traced Lycanrock and Lucario and painted them different colors, I thought that would be the lawsuit. EDIT: Also fuck WotC and go ORC
Watch as Japanese courts not only say differently but ultimately decide allowing anyone to enter their territory of law and patent literally everything to abuse.
@@ethanwilliams4559 fr I can play on Game Pass, but I just bought the game on Steam out of sheer spite after hearing about the lawsuit! Game Freak (and Nintendo) needs to up their game if they want money. Enough lazy releases, enough low quality stuff. They need to be taught a lesson and I really hope Palworld wins this.
Seriously, Nintendo ! We don't create or play fangames to steal your work or anything. We do that to honor your games. Why don't they want to get it in their heads ? They do realize that if the more fans are declining, the more revenue they lose
@@OhKayEl The same was once said of Disney. Look at them now. They are trying to cawtow to the very fans of whom they previously spat in their faces to suck up to the "Modern Audience".
Just stop bothering to honor nintendo, they don’t care about their fans just like literally ever other trash game company they just love money and Nintendo fanboys are one of the biggest cash cows in the industry
I have friends who agree that Nintendo is a scummy corporation, and that Pokemon has been stale, but will still buy every single Pokemon game and other Nintendo games. man It's just not worth it. I'd rather give my money to companies that respect their fans and community. Mostly indie games.
@@whitedragonzerureusu4480 _AND_ you can play it legally on any console or PC, and it makes it superior to Pokemon! Seriously, for Pokemon, you need a specialized Console to play it.
I just wanna say that I hope Pocket Pair wins this case. It genuinely would upset me if Nintendo won this case. Like you said here, it feels like nintendo is basically saying one can't make a creature capture game. This it's stupid. I have been saving up money for a better system just to play palworld. Not getting to play it *while I did pay for it* would be awful
I think Nintendo’s plan too is to draw out the suit as long as possible so Pocketpair runs out of money. Then win or lose in court Nintendo doesn’t just get Palworld to modify a mechanic. They get the game shut down completely. That’s why they are asking for an injunction too. To cut off pocket pair from any revenue. This isn’t about protecting a franchise that sells 10m copies a year of crappy pokemon game after crappy pokemon game. This is vindictive against pocket pair making games that resemble Nintendo games.
@spawnofapathy yes but the problem is pocketpair made a game called Craftopia that came out in 2020 that had the same game mechanics way before pokemon did their own game mechanics. This lawsuit will not work in their favor. Also palworld was meant to be released in 2021 but postponed it to move from unity to unreal engine to amp up the graphics before releasing their game. They had everything approved year's back.
I was just watching a Legal Mindset video where he breaks this down, and it turns out what Nintendo did was Piggyback off an existing parent patent to make these new ones that they can retroactively enforce to the date of the parent patent. It also let them split an older patent into several subpatents that Pocketpair now needs to defend against. Basically, this is entirely a weaponization of the patent system to try and kill a studio that stepped into Nintendos turf.
@@alaricpaley6865 The problem with half the videos on this topic, is that they are all looking at it from a US patent lawsuit. It is not, it's a Japanese one. So, yes Nintendo did apply for a patent in the US recently, but the Japanese patent they are piggybacking off of existed before Palworld released. And In the end it will be two different patents because it is two different countries. Patent laws greatly differ from one country to the next. So sadly, Nintendo has a very strong case in the Japanese courts where this lawsuit is filed, not the US courts like most people are assuming when they hear about this case.
@@ZHibiki True, but Palworld had not released how you captured their creatures yet by the time Nintendo filed their patent. Now did Nintendo know something and jumped the gun or what, I don't know.
@@Sugurain I hope this can happen since them not siding PocketPair in some form means giving up a potentially huge franchise in the future for their consoles. Nintendo can sue PocketPair for money, but no way they can cancel Palworld on money alone if Sony AND MS steps in. Also it will be amusing if that happens.
At least I have understood so far that Sony has already had plans to productize and commercialize Palword and their plans include toys, an animation series, a live action movie, a manga series and making PlayStation a home console for Palword. And some have even suspected that this deal with Sony was the final trigger for Nintendo that made them act.
@@danielmalinen6337 Yeah, Palworld Entertainment with Sony Music Japan AND Aniplex. If they cared for the future of this promising franchise, they have plenty of reason to not just sit out of this.
I think Sony had something call inviZimals that was their own pokemon for the vita. It was actually like pokemon go way before pokemon go Forgot to mention on the ps3 there was a game call folklore too. It was sort of a tum Burton style with spirit creatures that can be captured to give abilities to fight
I'm glad that someone's finally spoken out about this, especially since you elaborated on what kind of lawsuit this actually is! Patenting game mechanics is absolutely asinine, and what Nintendo is trying to do is just corporate bullying. They didn't go after Temtem, they didn't go after Nexomon, they didn't even go after Cassette Beasts, but they chose to harrass Palworld because it's actually making money. And you know what the funniest part is? Nintendo "took inspiration" from Dragon Quest for the monster designs. This is genuine bullshit, and I can only hope that Nintendo loses this case in as spectacular a way as possible. Pocketpair, good luck. I'm rooting for you.
funniest thing is pokemon literally ripped off dragon quest for the entirety of dex 1 there's even side by side comparisons lol, their whole empire was built on stealing from others, many fan concepts were stolen and incorporated into scarlet and violet and everyone is tired of them at this point
I get the feeling that they decided to sue for patent infringement rather than copyright infringement for that exact reason. It'd be hard to defend their copyright on Pokemon designs if it was proven that said designs were blatant ripoffs of Dragon Quest to begin with.
@@akiranara6404 that and they can no longer defend Creatures Inc. in court 😂 so instead they opened child cases of their patents, which is literally them admitting "we may not be the best but we will spend our fortune killing the competition"
@ProjectXv2 even though pocketpair made the game called Craftopia that came out in 2020 and used the same game mechanics that made palworld way before pokemon did theirs lol
I remember Temtem. I ended up losing interest in it when I found out the devs A: Mostly focus on thr pvp aspect of the genre B: Aren't interested in releasing expansions or sequels So I never even finished the game.
Patents stifle creation. I guess one of the most infamous is WB patenting the Nemesis system. Only 2 games used that system and that was 10 years ago. Open worlds would've been so much more dynamic with the Nemesis system in place but no, the patent won't run out until the year 2035. Pokemon has had the rule of the roost. Without competition, Nintendo didn't have to put in the effort to make good games, they could put in some half arsed attempts and knew it would sell. Palworld is the first to challenge Pokemon and Nintendo are doing this out of spite. They don't want their easy ride and easy money to disappear. It would mean they would need to put in some real work to make their games instead of having the money machine print it for them. They want Palworlds money and want to use Palworld as an example. It's basically a big company throwing their weight around and trying to be the tough guy with their large legal team. This lawsuit MUST fail, otherwise other companies could follow suit against smaller indie devs and creativity will be strangled by these money hungry corpos.I believe this is merely a threat. You want to try and get Palworld to settle out of court. Since they haven't said WHAT patent, I believe Nintendo are scrambling to find something. However, Pocket pair can referance Temtem and even go so far back as Monster Rancher or even SMT which came up with the creature capture concept.
@@GeekEntertainmentConsumer not necessarily talking about it’s importance, I’m saying they are trying to corner the market on anything and everything they can.
My biggest example to people of the opposite of this, is playing a game while there is a loading screen. It expired in 2015 I believe but nobody puts minigames in the loading screen because of this, a really fun mechanic but others couldn't use because of companies patenting it. Edit: Also the AWESOME system in LOTR Shadow of War is patented, which is why we can't have such an amazing mechanic in single player games
@@koffeinekyle yep. He literally makes the exact points you do with some more. It's a shame that even the shittiness of patent suing is becoming predictable.
@Bersh-xq4jy i absolutely hate it, i love the developers who have such innovative ideas that move the industry forward, only for that innovation to be boxed off, then shelved as the series has no known future and is the only game with these mechanics in place until expiration or renewal. It chokes the industry, and is part of why we are in such a poor state of video game preservation and accessibility.
Apparently, the plus-shaped D-pad was also under patent with the NES. This explains why you never saw that _specific shape_ of D-pad on the Genesis, PS1-3, etc., and only recently started seeing it appear on standardized game controllers (1st and 3rd party both), when the patent expired.
I'm pretty sure another reason Palworld is being targeted, but other games aren't, is because there was a high quantity of bitchy Pokemon fans who hysterically harassed Nintendo / the Pokemon Company about Palworld's existence. Nobody wants Pokemon to stagnate more than it's "loyal" community, who may as well have made the games their identity.
That is a Fanbase who behave like a bunch of children, throwing a hissyfit when someone else gives them something better. Cause it was not by their superior feeding their petty egos, they rather lash out and throw tantrums than accept theres a challenge. That, and Nintendo and GameFreak want to milk their powerful cashcows to the very end; where such little crybullies are perfect to make use of and competition a thorn in their side. Allowing a Monopoly to foster, unless the Japan's Antimonopoly Act takes hold against them for their emerging monopolistic practices.
To be frank, Nintendo actually told the Fans to stand down on the fact that they "Cannot Sue Pocket Pair on _COPYRIGHT."_ I suppose if this was an attempt to make the fans happy, I suspect this will backfire on Nintendo. The Loudest voices tend to be the smallest groups.
As a loyal Pokemon fan, I'm extremely fucking mad about people demanding lawsuits from daddy. We should not be encouraging our favorite companies to be draconian about their IP, especially after seeing what they do to the fangame community. They are literally shutting down your fellow fans and you're asking them to do the same to random indie devs? Shame on you.
@goGothitaLOL yeah and funny thing is craftopia had this game mechanics in 2020 years before pokemon did their own game mechanics. Pocketpair got the advantage against them and these people are too blind to see that lol. This lawsuit will not go in Nintendo favor
@@outlawstar2090 Also, Pocket Pair actually briefly launched Palworld in mid-2021, before they pulled it from the Public market to switch out the game engine (People who still bought Palworld before then were able to play it still, hence why we still kept getting footage), whereas the Patent for the Arceus Mechanic was launched in _DECEMBER_ of that same year.
@Victor-056 yeah I know about it they switch from unity to unreal engine but even then they did this project in 2016 while pokemon did their's in 2018. They had enough time to get their patent rights way before pokemon did their's. But because this is Japan not usa or other countries it's still going to be one sided because Nintendo got the money to stall time while pocketpair has to pay for everything still
This video is actually great. The difference in that it is a patent lawsuit, compared to a copyright lawsuit, was something I didn't know about. This helped me understand what was going on with the lawsuit much better.
Looking at the patents involved, Nintendo needs to lose this case. A lot of other IPs will be damaged by such vague patents. Digimon, Monster Hunter, even games in the Persona franchise, as well as many other IPs will be affected by a Nintendo win. Considering the volume of prior use of the mechanics involved, Nintendo should not have even been granted the patents in the first place.
nah, digimon won't be in legal trouble with pokemon, digimon never copied pokemon, it came out the same time as pokemon as a tamagotchi v-pet brand called digital monster, had its manga first in the form of digimon v-tamer, also known as season zero, then had its anime debut the same year as the pokemon anime. digimon is mainly a v-pet and anime/manga franchise. pokemon can't do anything to them, in fact digimon and bandai could sue them for game mechanics too. dna splicers and ultra necrozma are ripoffs of jogress digivolution, mega evolution is a ripoff of the temporary digivolutions in battle mechanic, and the branching evolution paths are a ripoff of the branching digivolution paths, which are more widespread in digimon btw. also digimon designs have never been inspired by pokemon, they're inspired by the bandai ip pocket zaurus, also they're based off yokai, inanimate objects, folk characters, historic humans, myths, demons, angels, etc, beelzemon's female counterpart bellestarmon is based off the wild west outlaw queen belle star for example. pokemon on the other hand are based off animals for the most part. so yeah, if anything this would open the doors for digimon and bandai to finally get payback on pokemon for the playground ripoff arguments keeping the franchise from getting big here in the west.
@@infern209x Which is something the Pokemon/Nintendo stans seem to ignore. That tons of stuff came out before Pokemon and Gamnefreak ripped them off. Like with them screeching about how "Palworld ripped off and copied Pokemon straight up". In a frnachise known for copying off others. Like, really, when you have monsters based off of a key ring and ice cream cone, you would think someone else copying off of mythology and children's stories would not trigger such stan behaviors, but hey, it's the stans.
What's even more messed up is Pokemon's monster collecting, storage and fighting schtick is itself a stolen idea from Megami Tensei and Dragon Quest V. Essentially Nintendo built an empire on a stolen idea they stole decades ago which they tweaked a little bit and then patented the heck out of it. Now they are turning around and savagely siccing their lawyers on any upcoming competitor who dares to try and build upon this monster capturing game concept the same way they did thirty years ago.
Palworld is a fully realized Craftopia, which released two years before Legends of Arceus & most of the patents everyone's speculating. That should matter unless the unconditional support for Nintendo/TPC just ignores it.
Nobody know which patent Palworld violated . Its just a speculation for 1 single patent. Nintendo own more than 5000 active patents and not just pokemon related patents
I don't remember which company made shadow of morder but they copyrighted the nemesis system and haven't even used it again. What's the point? You shouldn't be allowed to gatekeep ideas. If that was allowed nobody would be able to make any game ever without being sued to oblivion.
if this lawsuit shuts down palworld, be nice if there were a law that nintendo has to offer all palworld customers a full refund since they'd be the explicit reason the game ceased function.
So Nintendo is going to have a real bad day if Harvest Moon decides to sue Pokemon for similar game mechanics. Same with a plethora of other games of the past that we all know such as Dragon Quest. Nintendo is just butt hurt Pal World is still going stronger then they expected.
You hit the nail on the head...."Nobody has anywhere to go besides Pokemon.".....so...that's why Nintendo is attacking PalWorld, because they don't WANT any competition for Pokemon. They want to continue holding that Monopoly...(aka...very little to no competition.) Palworld....has gotten popular, and Nintendo "can't have that," now can they? Here's the thing...IF Nintendo wins...then that opens the floodgates for them to go after even smaller games to further their Genre Monopolies....as will other huge publishers doing the same thing. It would be the end of gaming as we know it. No more creativity because Genres are "patented" by AAAAAAAAA Publishers
We also heard around the release of Palword that "fair use" concept in Japan is non existent leaning towards strict copyright which Nintendo could have attempted. But seeing this is patent focused is very much a smokescreen to their motives.
Coromon and TemTem have been my favorite monster tamer type games outside of pokemon. They just don't break the mold enough compared to Palworld. If this lawsuit goes ahead then the likelihood of people innovating more on this genre is unlikely.
What really kills me about these lawsuitis that Nintendo changed 5 patterns a month ago to then sue them , and that is perfectly legal but is just a dick I got enough money to screw you over, just because you are making too much money and making me look bad.
Nintendo fanbase is so bad they would rather see the whole gaming industry burn to the ground just to see Nintendo take down a game the don't like, actually pathetic
@manoftruth0935 that is true, the suit would only effect Japan but I think other Corporations outside of Japan would be able to sue Nintendo for the same thing using the Japanese courts.
I’m done with Nintendo if they win, they’re being bully and petty at this point. It’s sad cuz I’ve been huge fan of Pokémon since red. They’re just jealous cuz they haven’t made a good Pokémon game in years.
@@snintendog Unfortunately true. I'm wary of their new CEO and presidents, they rub me in a bad way. I feel the company's in for a massive decline in the future. Both in quality titles and in consumer service & respect.
I’m so glad you’re bringing attention to this, I genuinely hadn’t heard of this until now, thank you for letting me know about this happening Edit: also, hope the channel transition works out, I sadly cannot say I’ve been terribly supportive because I’ve been busy with college and all that but I do still love your content and hope you’re able to succeed.
Nintendo needs to Grow. Up. They feel threatened? Do Better. Be better. Don't just kick the little People. Cause soon, Nintendo will be kicked in return. And when that day happens, no-one will shed a tear for them.
@@Nytrusdeathcyde I see what Nintendo did as the start to nuclear lawfare in Japan, and this could make every other big company in Japan do exactly the same thing. (retroactively child-patenting a previous patent to weaponize it) Imagine companies like Capcom, or Sony seeing this potential lawfare and fearing Nintendo might decide to sue them with a retroactive patent activation. Nothing stops those companies from do the same thing and looking for a case against Nintendo to bleed them dry too. To me, this was a colossal fuck up on Nintendo's part and it's opening the door to a thermonuclear lawfare war in Japan; because the sad fact is, many Japanese companies hoard patents, and many of them have been around long enough to have a stash full of them they can reactivate in the same way Nintendo did. Edit: It totally slipped my mind that Sony and Microsoft both have some kind of limited partnership with Palworld, so, what I said could actually be VERY real soon if Sony dose decide to "get involved" in similar litigation against Nintendo. They have the money, I'm sure they have a patent vault stuffed with vague patents they can reactivate, and they might want to defend one of the few games they now have a relationship with that gives them a foot in the door in the monster-capture genera against Nintendo.
Boycott Nintendo and Pokemon Company! Their patents on game mechanics will hurt the gaming industry, especially for indie developers. This type of nonsense needs to stop and we have the power to do it. Stop buying their products and supporting them on social media. They will feel it I promise, cause they are nothing without us. This isn't just because of Palworld, but Pocketpair did show us a better method of doing things and Nintendo hasn't been innovative in 20+ years.
The fact that japan allowed this bs show how they love their black companies.. So much with their 'be respectful' culture, money shows their true color
US does the same Otherwise, WB would’ve never patented the Nemesis system, even if they could in a alternative universe where patenting game mechanics is illegal
@@goGothitaLOL Except Unreal is heavily influenced by SFM, and since they are from US and the patents, there is nothing like this.Same goes with TF2 and Overwatch.
I think you have missed the most important part of these claims if they are indeed around the catching mechanic patent. The original JP patent was filed after Palworld was announced, The English version was done this year long after the spike of Palworld had ended. These were not long standing patents that they are now trying to up hold. They were filed defensively specifically so they can be used for this kind of situation.
The Japanese are apparently defending Nintendo. It sounds like Pocket Pair has the fight in them so I hope they win, otherwise creativity is endangered.
@@JeannieLove they are defending Nintendo because they see them as a god company, basically if u get a job at Nintendo ur the elite of the elite in the Japanese eyes
Keep in mind that the Japanese are on Nintendo's side. Unlike in the West where we hate large corporations, Nintendo is almost like a national treasure to Japan that garners a lot of respect. They see Palworld as a hacky rip-off of Pokemon and deserve getting sued for disrespecting the Pokemon franchise and Nintendo. So don't get too confident with the PR nightmare online. Nintendo has the Japanese on their side and this is a Japanese case.
I don't know how many fans Nintendo will lose over this, but I gaurantee they won't make fans of it. I only bought my switch to play Metroid Dread. I did buy a total of 30 or 40 games, and was disappointed with most. Bayonetta 3 looked and ran like crap. BOTW felt boring to play. Super Smash bros has barely changed at all since melee, which is the best game in the series, so I got bored of Ultamite pretty quickly. Bored of Mario, bored of Mario Kart. Bored of the subpar graphics and performance. Switch 2 is supposedly comparable to a ps4 pro, but with DLSS and it's like... Big whoop. My PC sits between a PS5 and a PS5 Pro. Metroid is the only thing I've consistently liked from Nintendo, but it ain't worth it. Win or lose, I'm skipping the switch 2. There's plenty of games on PC, granted that Nintendo doesn't try to sue every developer that isn't Nintedo.
I think that most of the game industry that is not under Nintendo's umbrella will be done if this outcome is realized. And that would be the worst outcome. In that case, the game industry and developers need to look for / develop newer, more creative and more original ways to implement future video games without Nintendo's patented game mechanics, and Nintendo has patented several hundred of them.
I just started the process of deleting my Nintendo account It's been a little more than a year already with no plans to go back so I'm not doing it directly in protest, but the timing is perfect lol
@brainchamber99 especially since they don't listen to their customers and cause more issues. BULut be careful Nintendo likes hunting pirates for money.
I love how your argument detailed the long term damaging effects of this lawsuit on gaming in the future. This is something people who supported Nintendo here need to understand there's more malicious intent in the lawsuit than protecting their own IP Especially in Japan which a lot support their big daddy Nintendo blindly out of loyalty instead of common sense.
The last actually fun Pokémon game for me was Arceus. It kind if made a fresh new experience on how to fight, not ever interrupting to much. But Scarlet and Violett just became like the ones before, more text boxes than actual fights Also no contact between pokemon anymore, like why? If you punch someone in the face you don't do it from 5 meters away
it's funny how Pokemon Stadium has better animation and physics than these newer Pokemon games. ironic that their real only upgrades are the numbers of polygons for each pokemon 😅
Ive seen some of the patents that nintendo is using for the lawsuit, (Hopefully the articles i read were correct) An example: Was the use of a chracter weakening a creature with the intent to capture it with a device I dont know the full legal mumbo jumbo, but that mechanic is not just a pokemon thing Shadow of war, both games had the use of weakening a target to capture them for your cause Ark, currrently, has mechanics in which the player uses a previoulsy tamed monster or their own weapons to weaken a creature enough to knock it out and tame it If nintendo wins this and people start pushing for more mechanics to be patented, What would happen if the creators of titanfall said that their boosted wall running mechanic has a patent What if any of the gacha games, star rail, ZZZ, etc, say rolling a box for a character is a patent Regardless of who wins this lawsuit, in my opinion, this will go poorly for the future of gaming.
Nintendo needs to realize that they are stopping game devs and games from evolving, Palworld is the perfect example of HOW GOOD a game can be and HOW SUCCESFUL it can be all thanks to the dev team who made it possible. Nintendo, a big F you, i don't need your toxicity in my life, i don't need your games and i don't need your consoles. You are the big company. set an example rather then attacking art in an attempt to take it down.
Agreed... I don't want Palworld to go, I have fun with the game - especially as it does not need separate console for it! I hope that Nintendo lawsuit fails... I agree with this. Hopefully Judge sees like this and puts the case down.
This is BS. Is Bethesda going to sue all developers of open world RPG games for patent infringement because of the Elder Scrolls games mechanics? No, this is nonsense. Derivative works are protected by copyrights.
Man, if they really do try to patent using a capture device on an enemy then Dragonquest, Robotrek, and Monster Rancher are all due some royalties from Pokemon. I liked Pokemon since I was a kid, back when Red/Blue first came out on the Gameboy, and played everything up till Pokemon Go, but felt the series lost it's spark lately. Having also played Palworld I don't see it as "Pokemon with guns", it's more like Ark with a cute anime style skin and a MUCH better smoother game engine.
Even with backdate to 2019. If it can be proven that palwords company was developing this capture system prior to their December 2019 initial patent date then the patent will most likely fail. Not to mention that Nintendo and Pokémon will also have to fight against a few other big companies who have or want contracts with palworld such as Sony and Microsoft.
As far as I heard, the first pal world demo was in January 2021, and in an interview they say 3 months of work. So January 2021 is as far back they might be able to proplerly show, but there is no info on what the playable demo at the expo had in it. And they speak the dev process was a mess and they lack older builds either. So that also makes it harder to prove when they used the system, heard their previous game use similar mechanics for catching? Craftopia I think it was? But not sure if that will stand. And we still do not know what patents are being quoted. Still, regardless what the patent is, this lawsuit is a joke and plain bullying.
I recall seeing a post recently that discussed a little about the patent in question. Supposedly that patent was submitted or finalized this year. After Palworld was already a game. But that could have been a speculative post. Either way, definitely a scummy move by the big Nin, and one that is solidly anti player
ITs what we call a Divvisive patent... It takes an old patent they have circumvents the 20 year law of the idea and makea brand new pattent all they have to do is.. Re invent the wheel as it were.
There shoud be a webpage or something where the gamers could rise up against nintendo. They are a scummy company, and we should have a way to voice our dissatisfaction.
HA GAME MECHANICS? Nintendo is the king of using other companies mechanics. Legend of Zelda with the towers is taken from assassins creed for example, there was a guy who pointed out many more so before you ask just look it up
Win or loose, Nintendo already shown intent and ad they said, "it's the Thought that counts". I am Emulating any new Nintendo games starting to day. I am thinking of selling my Switch Lite, but I think the better thing to do is have it "cracked" to play emulated games. These huge Company quite often forget that the only thing stopping people from Pirating Games is "Good Faith". Nintendo just lost theirs to me.
i enjoyed palworld for a good 20-30 hours even though my frame-rate numbers were around my playtime numbers. its a very good game that deserves nothing but more love. i enjoyed Pokemon scarlet and violet for like 10 hours. it was good, but it just left me wondering why they didnt do another legends Arceus game (the game in which i sunk over 50 hours into) or just put more effort into it. i cant remember anything when i think of S/V, but when i think of playworld, i think of my base, my pals, my achievements. sorry if this was a badly written comment, im no writer. thanks for making this though.
What's sad is that a sizable portian of the Japanese public are on Nintendo's side. While there are nuances to it, the court of public opinion in the country where it matters will not side with Pocketpair.
We need to stand up. We can't rely on lawyers to make this right. This isn't about the winner. The very idea is dangerous for the gaming community, and frankly, we need to stop it here and now. For too long, we've been letting triple A game studios and mega corporations like Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft tell us how we should play, and we just take it. With games being underdeveloped and studios not listening to the fans, with pay to win loot crates, not owning a physical copy of our game and games being removed from libraries and eshops. Games are being locked behind consoles. It's just a bunch of stuff we hate. And we take it because they are in charge. Nintendo is targeting a studio that listens to it's fans and is trying to make a truly enjoyable game, which shouldn't be a problem but it is because these studios don't want to listen to us, it scares Nintendo they don't want competition. But lets be real if pokemon was doing a better job using that massive revenue to be making the best games in different styles like survival and listening fans rather than copy print games that are easy which I personally like but I know many don't. Pal world would not stand a chance. But Nintendo and gamefreak aren't doing that. They view us as a wallet, not an important point when making decisions. So, at the core of this lawsuit is the game industries desire to put us down, not pocket pair. No US, the gamer community. This is an act to destroy the people who listen to us and return the power to the giants that don't care. Personally, I think this is the time to put our feet down collectivly. We need to stop this. It will be hard. We love Nintendo games. But the only way to hit them is to stop buying their stuff. Boycot them. Send a message we've had enough. If we can band together and damage Nintendo, not only will this make people think twice about this sort of dangerous tactic in court. But it will also send a message. None of you corporate giants are safe. This is our gaming community, and we aren't playing your games metaphorically, and if you f×ck up literally. We need to hit them where it hurts.
If the pokemon company wins this legal battle, that is a net-loss for the legal system and the original idea behind what a patent was supposed to be. You patent *very specific* things. Like the very specific connector used to connect the razor handle to the razor blade, so people dont use off-brand razor blades to save cost. That is fine. There is literally *hundreds* such patents, since you just want to make sure other brands dont copy your very specific connector, and there is pretty much an infinite amount of ways to build a connecting mechanism. The patent is not for connectors themselves, nor for connectors for razorblades. That's simply not specific enough. In a similar fashion, you should absolutely be able to patent, say, an new algorithm, so you can profit off of people using them in their engines, or make your own engine using it and protect that approach. You should absolutely not be able to patent "catch a creature with a ball", *even if* you specify exactly how often the ball needs to wobble before the catch is made. That's just nonsensical. Ideas are not intellectual property. And certainl shouldnt be patentable. That was never the plan. Yet such patents exist. So do patents for other trivial and manners, like minigames in loading screens. The entire system is stupid and against the idea of patents themselves. This works really well for physical / engineering ideas, and also for algorithms, but not for game mechanics.
Pretty sure if iwata was still alive none of this would be a problem. He pushed for creativity, he pushed for the next smash. Nintendo once even pushed for quality. Now that he is gone, all Nintendo has been doing is looking for any reason to sue, make money off of indie devs and, rerelease old games while putting very little work into their 1st party games. I kinda feel like Nintendo just doesn't have the dev teams like they used to and, they are too scared to compete or change their formula. Whatever the reason, this new Nintendo sucks, I hope there next console gets hacked day one. Especially with how they treated the smash community and, the regulations that they put on ultimate and, because of how they treated Nintendo fans in general. I mean I want them to succeed but, seeing them do all this slimy crap. It's really starting to make me hate Nintendo
@@whitedragonzerureusu4480this is bullshit and i can't believe this keep being said as if itwata was a developer and not a ceo. He didn't push for shit he was an executive and even at his time Nintendo already was like this.
@@ausgod538 they hardly put any work into the switch. It's 85% 3rd party games and, ports/remakes. The other games they have worked. When they do actually make a game worth playing. Its always top tier..... Except for Scarlett and, Violet. Those.. where really really bad. Anyway, I have both a modded switch and, a normal switch. And, if you look at Librashop with has around switch 53,000 title, (mix of Japanese and, English titles) only a small number of them are actually made by Nintendo. The rest are indie. Witch Nintendo did say they are going to focus on giving indie devs a platform but, still. They had no hand, in the development of those titles and, all they really do is let the devs put their game in the their eShop and, take a percentage of the sale for selling it on Nintendo eShop.
@@eramferguson1701 It should be noted that the wording of the patent says any item (not ball) that is thrown that captures a fighting creature. So even if it was changed from a Pal Sphere to Pal Cube, that might not stop the lawsuit.
So pokemon has made 150 billion. Palworld has made about 400 mil. All im saying is pokemon should chill out like they have made too much money to worry about palworld. Honestly Nintendo is like that jealous person you date, ya know they just get jealous for no reason and it ends up being a turn off so you just want to leave them even though you loved them for so long.
I guess that's the problem. One side see's this as upholding creative freedoms, while the other (Some people from Japan) see this as using a different system to punish someone who stole an idea. In certain people's minds this is Palworld's just desserts for flying too close to the sun. Although I'll always be on the side of creativity and freedom of expression I see their point, and respectfully disagree that this is a good thing. Palworld is it's own kind of game, much closer in genre to other games like Ark Survival than Pokemon itself. And not only that but this sets a precedent going forward that using patents to control what can be made is fair game...
The one thing I want to note is the fact that Nintendo only publishes Pokémon. They don’t make the games. Gamefreak does. So it’s weird to me that it’s Nintendo doing the lawsuit, rather than The Pokémon Company
Nintendo is the pokemon Company. ITs a 2nd party ClusterFuck. But GameFreak cant fight. TPC is a Front for both Parties but has NO LEGAL POWER so daddy nintendo to the rescue.
Gamefreak owns the rights to the games, The Pokémon company owns the rights to merchandise and branding(Trademarks), Nintendo however owns all the remaining legal rights for example the patents and copyrights
@@snintendog again. Nintendo is just the publisher. They own some of the rights to Pokémon which is why it is exclusive to Nintendo consoles. But they are not the Pokémon Company
Your lack of mention around the patent in question "player throws ball at x to capture creature x" basically, could be confusing to others that haven't read about the specifics. Also from their wording of the patent it almost could apply to freaking thrown grenades basically
Your right its even more vague AHEM. "In a first mode, an aiming direction in a virtual space is determined based on a second operation input, and a player character is caused to launch, in the aiming direction, an item that affects a field character disposed on a field in the virtual space, based on a third operation input. In a second mode, the aiming direction is determined, based on the second operation input, and the player character is caused to launch, in the aiming direction, a fighting character that fights, based on the third operation input."
@snintendog thanks, I posted the quote but included polygons article link, didn't post successfully. But this is what I'd read and yeah seems very vague wording
@@blacktemplar707 the vagueness is designed. Shape of the object isn't the patent it's the fact a thrown item in battle is the patent. So it can be Anything. Capture, grenade, healing, a rock.
I will say that I don't think that Palworld is innovative but the popularity is probably a symptom of people wanting Pokemon to be innovative. At the same time, I think Nintendo should be pressuring the Pokemon Company and not the Palworld developers. If Palworld is successful because Pokemon is stale, then Nintendo should put pressure on Pokemon to be better and put in the right amount of work and creativity.
Here’s the thing with Japan and Fair-Use In Japan, Fair-Use doesn’t exist (unfortunately). Hence the Japanese Copyright legal system being infamously ruthless (and it’s sure as hell not limited to Nintendo *cough* Square *cough* Toei Animation *cough* or most anime companies for that matter). And yet they still have the biggest number of brand loyalists in the world.
I appreciate your video. I'm a fan of pokemon since they started and been a fan of palworld since it announced in 2021. Its a long shot for pocketpair but I'm rooting for them. It's also bs they made the throwing aiming mechanic first in craftopia nintendo patented it a year later the same year palworld was announced.
People keep praising Palworld as "innovative" just because it slaps guns into a Pokémon-style game, but let’s be real - that’s not innovation. It’s a blatant attempt to profit off Pokémon’s iconic formula while adding a superficial twist. How does copying the core mechanics of Pokémon and then strapping guns onto creatures count as a good argument against Pokémon? It doesn’t. If anything, Palworld shows how derivative ideas can be disguised as 'new.' The argument that gaming will die if Nintendo wins the lawsuit is ridiculous. No, gaming isn’t going to collapse because a company rightfully defends its intellectual property. If anything, the greater danger to creativity is letting games like Palworld succeed. Why? Because if developers realize they can simply rip off established franchises without consequence, that’s when true innovation dies. No one will bother coming up with fresh ideas if it’s easier to copy someone else’s work and make a quick buck. Palworld isn’t some underdog game that's advancing the industry - it's taking advantage of a legal loophole and fan frustration. And let’s not forget that lawsuits like this aren’t new for Nintendo or Pokémon. They’ve taken down fan games before, but that’s because it’s their intellectual property. Sure, it sucks for the fans, but legally and morally, they have the right to protect their creation. These lawsuits aren't over every little thing; they go after projects that cross the line. Nintendo is simply doing what any company should - defending its property from being exploited. If we don’t respect that, we might as well throw originality and creativity out the window.
Me : "hyped for jamboree and looking to buy a switch" Nintendo : "Sues Pocket pair with a BS lawsuit" Me : "There goes your sale! And plenty more of them to come!"
I would love to see Sega countersue with SMT and get their fingers in the pokemon pie, would make nintendo think twice next time. I don't know how they were granted a patent for something they didn't invent to begin with.
Loving the genuine intrigue in this topic as this type of thing is very near and dear to me. Sharing around is appreciated for awareness!
I wonder if anyone else would be interested in seeing you stream Palworld now. I know I would!
We are actually aware of one of the patents infringed. Here :
"In a first mode, an aiming direction in a virtual space is determined based on a second operation input, and a player character is caused to launch, in the aiming direction, an item that affects a field character disposed on a field in the virtual space, based on a third operation input. In a second mode, the aiming direction is determined, based on the second opetion input, and the player character is caused to launch, in the aiming direction, a fighting character that fights, based on the third operation input."
For those who doesn't want to read or don't understand, this is basically the concept of throwing an item at something, which in here would be throwing a pokeball. However there is loads of issues in that. Those are :
- The concept of the patent is extremely vague. Because of the vagueness, throwing a grenade at an enemy in a shooter would infringe the patent, making the whole patent unreliable.
- The patent was filed on May 2nd, 2024, which is several months AFTER the release of Palworld and decades after the pokemon licence started.
- The patent was accepted in August and Nintendo attacked in September. This is clearly a deliberate act of lawfare where Nintendo want to hurt Palworld financally as hard as possible.
All I'm sure of is it's the ending of gaming and innovation of gaming. There's no such thing as honor to any single company in existence and even if they tell you they have honor, they're flat out liars hoping to make you stfu through law or "moral standing" or thru peer pressure.
Hello so does anyone remember the 1st assassin's creed game from UBISOFT. Nintendo breath of the wild copied the mechanics where in AC the assassin gets to a sync point that allows players to view the surrounding area and a area of the map gets revealed in breath of the wild when link reaches the top of a tower he uses the slate then a cut scene viewing the surrounding area and an area of the map gets revealed same mechanics but UBISOFT thought of the idea 1st
Yo-kai watch was competition but the Pokemon company copied them in Sun and Moon, Rotom Dex is a ripoff of whisper they're not hiding it even the black line between it eyes, more cartoony Artstyle in the anime, Z-ring= Yo-kai watch, Z-moves= Soultimate moves, Z- crystal= Yo-kai medal, obviously they didn't invent dancing, dancing when doing Z-moves= dancing when sending out Yo-kai.
“In a world where money talks silence is deafening.”
You got me with that line
They've become so greedy and corrupt: Next Nintendo sues Digimon for having trainers, battles, and evolutions.
@@SSGoatanksI would love to see that. And watch Nintendo get their ass beat by Digimon. This coming from a Pokemon fanatic since Diamond and Pearl.
@@manoftruth0935as a Digimon fan from the beginning and a Pokémon player since Red and Blue.... yeah Nintendo would lose that lawsuit
The problem with Nintendo nowadays or at least the Pokemon Company is that they HATE competition. Why else do you think they are consider in a genre of they own? They don't have to compete with other devs in popular categories. This is the reason why Miyamoto is feared in the department. He pushes and he pushes whatever team he runs HARD even when he has nobody to race aginst! Pokemon Company doesn't have that type of person in their department and now they're scared another cash cow is eating the grass.
The Mozzarina is eating the grass the Miltank once held sole ownership of.
Probably why they know they can hit us with mid games since they have no competition, they don’t have to give us higher quality Pokémon games…
@@neraslight4997 The ultimate end of capitalism is monopolistic mediocrity.
@@Spheronic Also the end of quality products
Nintendo in 2017: The code of honor says you a Japanese game company can not enforce a patent against another Japanese game company by suing them. You sue us, we sue you ten fold!
Nintendo in 2024: FUCK THE CODE OF HONOR!!!
Give Nintendo a tanto. I shall stand behind them as their Kaishakunin.
Even yakuza afraid to nitendo,
@@tomorrowisyesterday3215 nintendo is actually a yakuza
@@TaIathar it is tho.
Corporate Name
CEO
Description of Business
Founded
Office
Pocketpair, Inc.
Takuro Mizobe
Game planning, development, and operation
April 2015
Higashigotanda Square Building, 2-10-2 Higashigotanda, Shinagawa-ku, Tokyo 141-0022
information available on their own website. what are you talking about.
lol right after they said that in 2017: Quick grab all the patents we can! we need more ammo.
Recently Japanese game industry consultant Dr. Serkan Toto compared Nintendo's actions and behavior to the Mafia/Yakuza and said that the company is now acting and behaving the way it is now acting and behaving because they are scared of Palword and feels themselves threatened and disrespected when they suddenly have real competition.
Nintendo made deals with Yakuza well before they were a gaming company. Look up Nintendo love hotels and taxi service.
Where can i find that statement from serkan toto? I want to read more about it
@duduvec5971 I can confirm the weird mentality with the disrespect thing though. The comments from Japan are wild and extremely stupid and irrational. They don't realize what it would mean for their own livelihood and development if Nintendo gets away with this. Honor and Seniority won't always save them from people's wrong doing, Greed is an unfortunate human nature, no matter one's culture.
@@lunerlilly Not only that, by sucking up to Nintendo, they are _SPITTING_ on Eons worth of Honor that has made up their culture, that predate _both_ Nintendo and the Yakuza in general.
Fact that nintendo needs to realize: the "catching" mechanic doesn't belong to nintendo. One of the first games (if not the first) to have it was Megami Tensei which was released 4+ years before Red/blue/green/yellow was released for Japan.
Unfortunately the first person to patent something gets to keep it. Though it could be used as an argument that ball catching is unoriginal and generic and therefore is unpatentable.
@@Mewza It is a very specific catching mechanic that is being patented that was present in legend of Arceus.
@@Projolo it was present in Craftopia a year before PLA even released though.
@@Mewza Wrong, you're supposed to only be able to patent something that is a novel idea and can't be easily replicated. If others have done it before you, it's not a novel idea.
Yeah exactly, nintendo and pokemon are trying to act like they didn't rip off ideas from other games to build the pokemon model
Game patents should not be a thing. Games are art, and yet you dont see musicians patenting chord progressions or painters patenting techniques.
O really? Musicians like Prince copyrighted his songs and so do other artists like Eminem. Paintings don't have patents, but all pictures you find during your Google search do. All pictures are patented by someone. They are all behind a wall of money. So you are wrong in everything you just claimed.
@@vuurwater6784 that's copyright, not patent.
@@vuurwater6784 you know nothing so go to sleep
@@vuurwater6784confusing copyright with patents, yeah sure
@@vuurwater6784 to be more clear, one thing is "do not make a company/brand of cereal called Kellogggs with the same logo and almost same mascot, but instead "do not sell corn in the form of flakes cereal" kind of situation. One is protecting their image from potential misuse or confusing costumers, another is stopping people from entering the market as competition
Interesting, D&D tried that with the D20 system, and they lost. As the courts said you can't patent game mechanics.
Keep in mind this is the Japanese Legal system. Their court has different rules. I'm very interested in seeing what patent Palworld is being accused of infringing on, and I'm enough of a Devil's Advocate to not assume this is nothing. I can't really think of a patent here that holds up besides: 'the act of putting monsters in balls to fight with later' but I ain't a legal expert for the land I live, much less anywhere else. I'm honestly shocked this ISN'T a copyright thing, because some of those designs were REALLY too similar to Pokemon to me to be safe. When it looks like they traced Lycanrock and Lucario and painted them different colors, I thought that would be the lawsuit.
EDIT: Also fuck WotC and go ORC
@@gacrazy65 The patent, which was approved in August, is basically the capture mechanic and battle mechanic, its stupidly vague.
Watch as Japanese courts not only say differently but ultimately decide allowing anyone to enter their territory of law and patent literally everything to abuse.
There is a guy who has patented online games
So maybe they should move to the us.
nintendo is lucky they're located in japan. americans would be protesting outside their building and trolling the hell out of them
That's where the Internet comes in
Their also lucky that many Japanese people are on their side
@@ethanwilliams4559 fr I can play on Game Pass, but I just bought the game on Steam out of sheer spite after hearing about the lawsuit! Game Freak (and Nintendo) needs to up their game if they want money. Enough lazy releases, enough low quality stuff. They need to be taught a lesson and I really hope Palworld wins this.
@@ethanwilliams4559the internet that Nintendo is ignoring for a decade because it's just a bubble and not the even 5% of the market?
@@ausgod538It isn't _just_ the Internet.
People have been asking for years on why Pokemon has been half-rearing their games lately.
Seriously, Nintendo ! We don't create or play fangames to steal your work or anything.
We do that to honor your games.
Why don't they want to get it in their heads ?
They do realize that if the more fans are declining, the more revenue they lose
Ya know an old saying: SEGA does what Nintendon't
No matter how much drama Nintendo gets themselves into their sales are never affected.
@@OhKayEl The same was once said of Disney.
Look at them now. They are trying to cawtow to the very fans of whom they previously spat in their faces to suck up to the "Modern Audience".
Just stop bothering to honor nintendo, they don’t care about their fans just like literally ever other trash game company they just love money and Nintendo fanboys are one of the biggest cash cows in the industry
I have friends who agree that Nintendo is a scummy corporation, and that Pokemon has been stale, but will still buy every single Pokemon game and other Nintendo games. man It's just not worth it. I'd rather give my money to companies that respect their fans and community. Mostly indie games.
Add in that Palworld is cheaper than every Pokemon game in existence...
@@whitedragonzerureusu4480 _AND_ you can play it legally on any console or PC, and it makes it superior to Pokemon!
Seriously, for Pokemon, you need a specialized Console to play it.
I just wanna say that I hope Pocket Pair wins this case. It genuinely would upset me if Nintendo won this case.
Like you said here, it feels like nintendo is basically saying one can't make a creature capture game. This it's stupid. I have been saving up money for a better system just to play palworld. Not getting to play it *while I did pay for it* would be awful
Nintendo looks pathetic right now. Like a grown adult beating up a four year old.
I think Nintendo’s plan too is to draw out the suit as long as possible so Pocketpair runs out of money. Then win or lose in court Nintendo doesn’t just get Palworld to modify a mechanic. They get the game shut down completely. That’s why they are asking for an injunction too. To cut off pocket pair from any revenue. This isn’t about protecting a franchise that sells 10m copies a year of crappy pokemon game after crappy pokemon game. This is vindictive against pocket pair making games that resemble Nintendo games.
This is a scare tactic, they decided that their best move is to show any would be people that they shouldn't try to compete
I think that's what Disney did to Filmation over "Snow White and the Realm of Doom"
@spawnofapathy yes but the problem is pocketpair made a game called Craftopia that came out in 2020 that had the same game mechanics way before pokemon did their own game mechanics. This lawsuit will not work in their favor. Also palworld was meant to be released in 2021 but postponed it to move from unity to unreal engine to amp up the graphics before releasing their game. They had everything approved year's back.
IIRC Nintendo filed this patent _after_ Palworld came out, so PW should be protected from retroactivity.
I was just watching a Legal Mindset video where he breaks this down, and it turns out what Nintendo did was Piggyback off an existing parent patent to make these new ones that they can retroactively enforce to the date of the parent patent. It also let them split an older patent into several subpatents that Pocketpair now needs to defend against. Basically, this is entirely a weaponization of the patent system to try and kill a studio that stepped into Nintendos turf.
@@alaricpaley6865 The problem with half the videos on this topic, is that they are all looking at it from a US patent lawsuit. It is not, it's a Japanese one. So, yes Nintendo did apply for a patent in the US recently, but the Japanese patent they are piggybacking off of existed before Palworld released. And In the end it will be two different patents because it is two different countries. Patent laws greatly differ from one country to the next. So sadly, Nintendo has a very strong case in the Japanese courts where this lawsuit is filed, not the US courts like most people are assuming when they hear about this case.
They filed the patent after the first Palworld trailers, but before the game came out.
@@ZHibiki True, but Palworld had not released how you captured their creatures yet by the time Nintendo filed their patent. Now did Nintendo know something and jumped the gun or what, I don't know.
The patent was made about the time Legends of acuius
Sony and Microsoft would KILL to have their own "pokemon", Palworld gave them this chance, I hope they'll help Pocketpair in court against nintendo.
@@Sugurain I hope this can happen since them not siding PocketPair in some form means giving up a potentially huge franchise in the future for their consoles. Nintendo can sue PocketPair for money, but no way they can cancel Palworld on money alone if Sony AND MS steps in.
Also it will be amusing if that happens.
At least I have understood so far that Sony has already had plans to productize and commercialize Palword and their plans include toys, an animation series, a live action movie, a manga series and making PlayStation a home console for Palword. And some have even suspected that this deal with Sony was the final trigger for Nintendo that made them act.
@@danielmalinen6337 Yeah, Palworld Entertainment with Sony Music Japan AND Aniplex. If they cared for the future of this promising franchise, they have plenty of reason to not just sit out of this.
@@danielmalinen6337 i already pre-ordered my depresso plushy..does anyone know if this lawsuit is going to affect this?
I think Sony had something call inviZimals that was their own pokemon for the vita. It was actually like pokemon go way before pokemon go
Forgot to mention on the ps3 there was a game call folklore too. It was sort of a tum Burton style with spirit creatures that can be captured to give abilities to fight
I'm glad that someone's finally spoken out about this, especially since you elaborated on what kind of lawsuit this actually is! Patenting game mechanics is absolutely asinine, and what Nintendo is trying to do is just corporate bullying. They didn't go after Temtem, they didn't go after Nexomon, they didn't even go after Cassette Beasts, but they chose to harrass Palworld because it's actually making money. And you know what the funniest part is?
Nintendo "took inspiration" from Dragon Quest for the monster designs.
This is genuine bullshit, and I can only hope that Nintendo loses this case in as spectacular a way as possible. Pocketpair, good luck. I'm rooting for you.
funniest thing is pokemon literally ripped off dragon quest for the entirety of dex 1 there's even side by side comparisons lol, their whole empire was built on stealing from others, many fan concepts were stolen and incorporated into scarlet and violet and everyone is tired of them at this point
I get the feeling that they decided to sue for patent infringement rather than copyright infringement for that exact reason. It'd be hard to defend their copyright on Pokemon designs if it was proven that said designs were blatant ripoffs of Dragon Quest to begin with.
@@akiranara6404 that and they can no longer defend Creatures Inc. in court 😂 so instead they opened child cases of their patents, which is literally them admitting "we may not be the best but we will spend our fortune killing the competition"
*THANK* you. So many people are ignoring this aspect and the bootlickers don’t want to admit it…
@ProjectXv2 even though pocketpair made the game called Craftopia that came out in 2020 and used the same game mechanics that made palworld way before pokemon did theirs lol
I remember Temtem. I ended up losing interest in it when I found out the devs
A: Mostly focus on thr pvp aspect of the genre
B: Aren't interested in releasing expansions or sequels
So I never even finished the game.
Patents stifle creation. I guess one of the most infamous is WB patenting the Nemesis system. Only 2 games used that system and that was 10 years ago. Open worlds would've been so much more dynamic with the Nemesis system in place but no, the patent won't run out until the year 2035. Pokemon has had the rule of the roost. Without competition, Nintendo didn't have to put in the effort to make good games, they could put in some half arsed attempts and knew it would sell. Palworld is the first to challenge Pokemon and Nintendo are doing this out of spite. They don't want their easy ride and easy money to disappear. It would mean they would need to put in some real work to make their games instead of having the money machine print it for them. They want Palworlds money and want to use Palworld as an example. It's basically a big company throwing their weight around and trying to be the tough guy with their large legal team. This lawsuit MUST fail, otherwise other companies could follow suit against smaller indie devs and creativity will be strangled by these money hungry corpos.I believe this is merely a threat. You want to try and get Palworld to settle out of court. Since they haven't said WHAT patent, I believe Nintendo are scrambling to find something. However, Pocket pair can referance Temtem and even go so far back as Monster Rancher or even SMT which came up with the creature capture concept.
I’d say boycott the next Pokémon game….but we all know that’ll never happen. This is low as fuck, Nintendo
if this message and lawsuit goes publicly world wide i can see it damaging Nintendos reputation and may cause loss of sales
@@Nytrusdeathcyde as it should, this is ridiculous
@@ashleejones586 How to make it big in amerca... Get Midday TV to talk about it and enrage the Karens using Oprah
Palworld isn't that important to boycott Pokemon over it
@@GeekEntertainmentConsumer not necessarily talking about it’s importance, I’m saying they are trying to corner the market on anything and everything they can.
My biggest example to people of the opposite of this, is playing a game while there is a loading screen.
It expired in 2015 I believe but nobody puts minigames in the loading screen because of this, a really fun mechanic but others couldn't use because of companies patenting it.
Edit: Also the AWESOME system in LOTR Shadow of War is patented, which is why we can't have such an amazing mechanic in single player games
You watch cr1tikals video too?
@Bersh-xq4jy Nah, just been here a while, but now I have a Charlie video to watch
@@koffeinekyle yep. He literally makes the exact points you do with some more. It's a shame that even the shittiness of patent suing is becoming predictable.
@Bersh-xq4jy i absolutely hate it, i love the developers who have such innovative ideas that move the industry forward, only for that innovation to be boxed off, then shelved as the series has no known future and is the only game with these mechanics in place until expiration or renewal. It chokes the industry, and is part of why we are in such a poor state of video game preservation and accessibility.
Apparently, the plus-shaped D-pad was also under patent with the NES. This explains why you never saw that _specific shape_ of D-pad on the Genesis, PS1-3, etc., and only recently started seeing it appear on standardized game controllers (1st and 3rd party both), when the patent expired.
I'm pretty sure another reason Palworld is being targeted, but other games aren't, is because there was a high quantity of bitchy Pokemon fans who hysterically harassed Nintendo / the Pokemon Company about Palworld's existence.
Nobody wants Pokemon to stagnate more than it's "loyal" community, who may as well have made the games their identity.
That is a Fanbase who behave like a bunch of children, throwing a hissyfit when someone else gives them something better. Cause it was not by their superior feeding their petty egos, they rather lash out and throw tantrums than accept theres a challenge. That, and Nintendo and GameFreak want to milk their powerful cashcows to the very end; where such little crybullies are perfect to make use of and competition a thorn in their side. Allowing a Monopoly to foster, unless the Japan's Antimonopoly Act takes hold against them for their emerging monopolistic practices.
@@magia4510 why not both?
Most realistic and nuanced take here.
To be frank, Nintendo actually told the Fans to stand down on the fact that they "Cannot Sue Pocket Pair on _COPYRIGHT."_
I suppose if this was an attempt to make the fans happy, I suspect this will backfire on Nintendo. The Loudest voices tend to be the smallest groups.
As a loyal Pokemon fan, I'm extremely fucking mad about people demanding lawsuits from daddy. We should not be encouraging our favorite companies to be draconian about their IP, especially after seeing what they do to the fangame community. They are literally shutting down your fellow fans and you're asking them to do the same to random indie devs? Shame on you.
100%. They need to lose this. It just sucks that it feels likely they will win, simply because of just how much sway Nintendo has in Japan.
That in the Japan loves being loyal to brands apparently, maybe too loyal
Most of them shit on Palworld on Twitter
@goGothitaLOL yeah and funny thing is craftopia had this game mechanics in 2020 years before pokemon did their own game mechanics. Pocketpair got the advantage against them and these people are too blind to see that lol. This lawsuit will not go in Nintendo favor
@@outlawstar2090 Also, Pocket Pair actually briefly launched Palworld in mid-2021, before they pulled it from the Public market to switch out the game engine (People who still bought Palworld before then were able to play it still, hence why we still kept getting footage), whereas the Patent for the Arceus Mechanic was launched in _DECEMBER_ of that same year.
@Victor-056 yeah I know about it they switch from unity to unreal engine but even then they did this project in 2016 while pokemon did their's in 2018. They had enough time to get their patent rights way before pokemon did their's. But because this is Japan not usa or other countries it's still going to be one sided because Nintendo got the money to stall time while pocketpair has to pay for everything still
This video is actually great. The difference in that it is a patent lawsuit, compared to a copyright lawsuit, was something I didn't know about. This helped me understand what was going on with the lawsuit much better.
Looking at the patents involved, Nintendo needs to lose this case. A lot of other IPs will be damaged by such vague patents. Digimon, Monster Hunter, even games in the Persona franchise, as well as many other IPs will be affected by a Nintendo win. Considering the volume of prior use of the mechanics involved, Nintendo should not have even been granted the patents in the first place.
nah, digimon won't be in legal trouble with pokemon, digimon never copied pokemon, it came out the same time as pokemon as a tamagotchi v-pet brand called digital monster, had its manga first in the form of digimon v-tamer, also known as season zero, then had its anime debut the same year as the pokemon anime. digimon is mainly a v-pet and anime/manga franchise. pokemon can't do anything to them, in fact digimon and bandai could sue them for game mechanics too. dna splicers and ultra necrozma are ripoffs of jogress digivolution, mega evolution is a ripoff of the temporary digivolutions in battle mechanic, and the branching evolution paths are a ripoff of the branching digivolution paths, which are more widespread in digimon btw. also digimon designs have never been inspired by pokemon, they're inspired by the bandai ip pocket zaurus, also they're based off yokai, inanimate objects, folk characters, historic humans, myths, demons, angels, etc, beelzemon's female counterpart bellestarmon is based off the wild west outlaw queen belle star for example. pokemon on the other hand are based off animals for the most part. so yeah, if anything this would open the doors for digimon and bandai to finally get payback on pokemon for the playground ripoff arguments keeping the franchise from getting big here in the west.
also pokemon is not the first monster collecting franchise, dragon quest and shin megami tensei came first, so square and sega could countersue
@@infern209x Which is something the Pokemon/Nintendo stans seem to ignore. That tons of stuff came out before Pokemon and Gamnefreak ripped them off. Like with them screeching about how "Palworld ripped off and copied Pokemon straight up". In a frnachise known for copying off others. Like, really, when you have monsters based off of a key ring and ice cream cone, you would think someone else copying off of mythology and children's stories would not trigger such stan behaviors, but hey, it's the stans.
What's even more messed up is Pokemon's monster collecting, storage and fighting schtick is itself a stolen idea from Megami Tensei and Dragon Quest V. Essentially Nintendo built an empire on a stolen idea they stole decades ago which they tweaked a little bit and then patented the heck out of it. Now they are turning around and savagely siccing their lawyers on any upcoming competitor who dares to try and build upon this monster capturing game concept the same way they did thirty years ago.
@@infern209x Many Digimon games have you capture and tame.
Palworld is a fully realized Craftopia, which released two years before Legends of Arceus & most of the patents everyone's speculating. That should matter unless the unconditional support for Nintendo/TPC just ignores it.
Nobody know which patent Palworld violated . Its just a speculation for 1 single patent.
Nintendo own more than 5000 active patents and not just pokemon related patents
Its a joint suit from nintendo and pokemon which does reduce the patents down to those they jointly own which is only 21 patents all very generic.
I don't remember which company made shadow of morder but they copyrighted the nemesis system and haven't even used it again. What's the point? You shouldn't be allowed to gatekeep ideas. If that was allowed nobody would be able to make any game ever without being sued to oblivion.
That’s why it is illegal. And why Nintendo will loose.
Monolith made it, but they aren't really... a thing anymore. It was Warner Brothers, their publisher that owns the patent for the Nemesis system.
That's WB
That was WB that patented the Nemesis system from Batman Arkham in early 2021
@@porterde08then why did WB copyrighted the Nemesis system?
-it’s cause of money and wealth-
Everyone, send emails to Nintendo and inform them if they win this lawsuit, you will no longer buy their games!
if this lawsuit shuts down palworld, be nice if there were a law that nintendo has to offer all palworld customers a full refund since they'd be the explicit reason the game ceased function.
I will call for Complete Nintendo Oppenheimer if that occurs. As it is I will never Buy from them Period They are BLACKLISTED AND BANNED.
So Nintendo is going to have a real bad day if Harvest Moon decides to sue Pokemon for similar game mechanics. Same with a plethora of other games of the past that we all know such as Dragon Quest. Nintendo is just butt hurt Pal World is still going stronger then they expected.
You hit the nail on the head...."Nobody has anywhere to go besides Pokemon.".....so...that's why Nintendo is attacking PalWorld, because they don't WANT any competition for Pokemon. They want to continue holding that Monopoly...(aka...very little to no competition.) Palworld....has gotten popular, and Nintendo "can't have that," now can they?
Here's the thing...IF Nintendo wins...then that opens the floodgates for them to go after even smaller games to further their Genre Monopolies....as will other huge publishers doing the same thing. It would be the end of gaming as we know it. No more creativity because Genres are "patented" by AAAAAAAAA Publishers
almost any patent claimed just reeks of someone wanting to destroying creativity....
We also heard around the release of Palword that "fair use" concept in Japan is non existent leaning towards strict copyright which Nintendo could have attempted. But seeing this is patent focused is very much a smokescreen to their motives.
Coromon and TemTem have been my favorite monster tamer type games outside of pokemon. They just don't break the mold enough compared to Palworld. If this lawsuit goes ahead then the likelihood of people innovating more on this genre is unlikely.
What really kills me about these lawsuitis that Nintendo changed 5 patterns a month ago to then sue them , and that is perfectly legal but is just a dick I got enough money to screw you over, just because you are making too much money and making me look bad.
Comparing the 2021 patents that tese Divisive patents are now you can see the Arceus UI in the OG but the Newones have the PALWORLD UI.
Nintendo fanbase is so bad they would rather see the whole gaming industry burn to the ground just to see Nintendo take down a game the don't like, actually pathetic
I wanna see Nintendo try to take down Genshin. They don't have the balls.
This will only benefit PocketPair in the long run.
The other pokeclones will rally behind PocketPair against Nintendumb.
@@manoftruth0935 If Pocket Pair fights without financial backing from at least Sony, they will go bankrupt.
@@sarahsturgill9262 Nintendo is going to lose this one. Japan won’t be able to afford the cost of the stagnation Nintendo is known to cause.
@manoftruth0935 that is true, the suit would only effect Japan but I think other Corporations outside of Japan would be able to sue Nintendo for the same thing using the Japanese courts.
I’m done with Nintendo if they win, they’re being bully and petty at this point. It’s sad cuz I’ve been huge fan of Pokémon since red.
They’re just jealous cuz they haven’t made a good Pokémon game in years.
They want to sell licenses to use mechanics eveyone is using
That’s illegal. They will and should loose. If i was pocketpair, I’d countersuit
here it may be illegal but in japan is it illegal?
Nintendo has always been dirty. They will charge full price for a 4 year plus old game. Nintendo aka 'Dirty Ninja'.
At least they don’t lay off hundreds of workers for a tax write off
@zettarin True. Ninjas have honor, but they still play dirty.
@@zettarin When iwata died.. They did do that. The New CEO took a huge pay raise too. The Heart of Old nintendo DIED.
@@snintendog Unfortunately true. I'm wary of their new CEO and presidents, they rub me in a bad way. I feel the company's in for a massive decline in the future. Both in quality titles and in consumer service & respect.
@@zettarin instead they make their old games write off and remove them from history making the work of millions into dust
I’m so glad you’re bringing attention to this, I genuinely hadn’t heard of this until now, thank you for letting me know about this happening
Edit: also, hope the channel transition works out, I sadly cannot say I’ve been terribly supportive because I’ve been busy with college and all that but I do still love your content and hope you’re able to succeed.
Sadly, I've seen the japanese completely siding with Nintendo. Palworld really has no chance of success there.
This is just so bad for the consumer on Nintendo’s part.
Worst thing about this case is the fact that it's happening in Japan I wouldent be shocked at all if they side with Nintendo
Nintendo needs to Grow. Up.
They feel threatened? Do Better. Be better.
Don't just kick the little People. Cause soon, Nintendo will be kicked in return. And when that day happens, no-one will shed a tear for them.
im pretty sure that may be soonish? i see this as an attempt at a monopolization of this kind of game
@@Nytrusdeathcyde Digimon, DQ Monsters and Yo Kai Watch are laughing
@@x149te just you wait until Nintendo uses this opportunity to chew at them as well if they had the chance
@@BonBonToro I hope Nintendo will chew whole Pokemon Company and made new Pokemons themselves, not Game Freak...
@@Nytrusdeathcyde I see what Nintendo did as the start to nuclear lawfare in Japan, and this could make every other big company in Japan do exactly the same thing. (retroactively child-patenting a previous patent to weaponize it)
Imagine companies like Capcom, or Sony seeing this potential lawfare and fearing Nintendo might decide to sue them with a retroactive patent activation. Nothing stops those companies from do the same thing and looking for a case against Nintendo to bleed them dry too.
To me, this was a colossal fuck up on Nintendo's part and it's opening the door to a thermonuclear lawfare war in Japan; because the sad fact is, many Japanese companies hoard patents, and many of them have been around long enough to have a stash full of them they can reactivate in the same way Nintendo did.
Edit: It totally slipped my mind that Sony and Microsoft both have some kind of limited partnership with Palworld, so, what I said could actually be VERY real soon if Sony dose decide to "get involved" in similar litigation against Nintendo. They have the money, I'm sure they have a patent vault stuffed with vague patents they can reactivate, and they might want to defend one of the few games they now have a relationship with that gives them a foot in the door in the monster-capture genera against Nintendo.
Pocketpair needs to countersuit, and I suggest everyone chip in.
Boycott Nintendo and Pokemon Company! Their patents on game mechanics will hurt the gaming industry, especially for indie developers. This type of nonsense needs to stop and we have the power to do it. Stop buying their products and supporting them on social media. They will feel it I promise, cause they are nothing without us.
This isn't just because of Palworld, but Pocketpair did show us a better method of doing things and Nintendo hasn't been innovative in 20+ years.
Nintendo losing the lawsuit would be a miracle, and I believe in miracles.
The fact that japan allowed this bs show how they love their black companies.. So much with their 'be respectful' culture, money shows their true color
US does the same
Otherwise, WB would’ve never patented the Nemesis system, even if they could in a alternative universe where patenting game mechanics is illegal
@@goGothitaLOL Except Unreal is heavily influenced by SFM, and since they are from US and the patents, there is nothing like this.Same goes with TF2 and Overwatch.
I think you have missed the most important part of these claims if they are indeed around the catching mechanic patent. The original JP patent was filed after Palworld was announced, The English version was done this year long after the spike of Palworld had ended.
These were not long standing patents that they are now trying to up hold. They were filed defensively specifically so they can be used for this kind of situation.
The Japanese are apparently defending Nintendo. It sounds like Pocket Pair has the fight in them so I hope they win, otherwise creativity is endangered.
@@JeannieLove they are defending Nintendo because they see them as a god company, basically if u get a job at Nintendo ur the elite of the elite in the Japanese eyes
Keep in mind that the Japanese are on Nintendo's side. Unlike in the West where we hate large corporations, Nintendo is almost like a national treasure to Japan that garners a lot of respect. They see Palworld as a hacky rip-off of Pokemon and deserve getting sued for disrespecting the Pokemon franchise and Nintendo. So don't get too confident with the PR nightmare online. Nintendo has the Japanese on their side and this is a Japanese case.
If Nintendo wins this, im done with them.
I don't know how many fans Nintendo will lose over this, but I gaurantee they won't make fans of it. I only bought my switch to play Metroid Dread. I did buy a total of 30 or 40 games, and was disappointed with most. Bayonetta 3 looked and ran like crap. BOTW felt boring to play. Super Smash bros has barely changed at all since melee, which is the best game in the series, so I got bored of Ultamite pretty quickly. Bored of Mario, bored of Mario Kart. Bored of the subpar graphics and performance. Switch 2 is supposedly comparable to a ps4 pro, but with DLSS and it's like... Big whoop. My PC sits between a PS5 and a PS5 Pro. Metroid is the only thing I've consistently liked from Nintendo, but it ain't worth it. Win or lose, I'm skipping the switch 2. There's plenty of games on PC, granted that Nintendo doesn't try to sue every developer that isn't Nintedo.
I already am done with them. The streaam of bad games recently has already killed my last bit of care for them. The BIG THREE ARE DEAD.
I think that most of the game industry that is not under Nintendo's umbrella will be done if this outcome is realized. And that would be the worst outcome. In that case, the game industry and developers need to look for / develop newer, more creative and more original ways to implement future video games without Nintendo's patented game mechanics, and Nintendo has patented several hundred of them.
I just started the process of deleting my Nintendo account
It's been a little more than a year already with no plans to go back so I'm not doing it directly in protest, but the timing is perfect lol
@@alegotronnortogela7695 get a steam deck or wait for the deck 2. game on the go, entire steam library + more.
If you're still on the fence about it, it's morally ok to pirate Nintendo games
@brainchamber99 especially since they don't listen to their customers and cause more issues. BULut be careful Nintendo likes hunting pirates for money.
I love how your argument detailed the long term damaging effects of this lawsuit on gaming in the future. This is something people who supported Nintendo here need to understand there's more malicious intent in the lawsuit than protecting their own IP
Especially in Japan which a lot support their big daddy Nintendo blindly out of loyalty instead of common sense.
The last actually fun Pokémon game for me was Arceus. It kind if made a fresh new experience on how to fight, not ever interrupting to much. But Scarlet and Violett just became like the ones before, more text boxes than actual fights
Also no contact between pokemon anymore, like why? If you punch someone in the face you don't do it from 5 meters away
it's funny how Pokemon Stadium has better animation and physics than these newer Pokemon games. ironic that their real only upgrades are the numbers of polygons for each pokemon 😅
Ive seen some of the patents that nintendo is using for the lawsuit, (Hopefully the articles i read were correct)
An example: Was the use of a chracter weakening a creature with the intent to capture it with a device
I dont know the full legal mumbo jumbo, but that mechanic is not just a pokemon thing
Shadow of war, both games had the use of weakening a target to capture them for your cause
Ark, currrently, has mechanics in which the player uses a previoulsy tamed monster or their own weapons to weaken a creature enough to knock it out and tame it
If nintendo wins this and people start pushing for more mechanics to be patented,
What would happen if the creators of titanfall said that their boosted wall running mechanic has a patent
What if any of the gacha games, star rail, ZZZ, etc, say rolling a box for a character is a patent
Regardless of who wins this lawsuit, in my opinion, this will go poorly for the future of gaming.
7:52 THANK YOU!! I thought it was crazy nobody pointed this out!!!!
I'm actually digging getting the same level of production from you for different ips. It's refreshing.
Nintendo needs to realize that they are stopping game devs and games from evolving, Palworld is the perfect example of HOW GOOD a game can be and HOW SUCCESFUL it can be all thanks to the dev team who made it possible.
Nintendo, a big F you, i don't need your toxicity in my life, i don't need your games and i don't need your consoles. You are the big company. set an example rather then attacking art in an attempt to take it down.
I am sure they are very aware, they just don't care. They are too big and too much money at stake to try to play "fair" or "honor rules".
I just hope people in the west give Nintendo the Ubisoft treatment, absolute boycot. Would be a nice message to send.
Agreed... I don't want Palworld to go, I have fun with the game - especially as it does not need separate console for it!
I hope that Nintendo lawsuit fails... I agree with this. Hopefully Judge sees like this and puts the case down.
This is BS. Is Bethesda going to sue all developers of open world RPG games for patent infringement because of the Elder Scrolls games mechanics? No, this is nonsense. Derivative works are protected by copyrights.
Man, if they really do try to patent using a capture device on an enemy then Dragonquest, Robotrek, and Monster Rancher are all due some royalties from Pokemon. I liked Pokemon since I was a kid, back when Red/Blue first came out on the Gameboy, and played everything up till Pokemon Go, but felt the series lost it's spark lately. Having also played Palworld I don't see it as "Pokemon with guns", it's more like Ark with a cute anime style skin and a MUCH better smoother game engine.
It's because TemTem is too similar so it has no chance, people can just play Pokemon intend.
CHILLET is a grave threat to pikachu
Even with backdate to 2019. If it can be proven that palwords company was developing this capture system prior to their December 2019 initial patent date then the patent will most likely fail. Not to mention that Nintendo and Pokémon will also have to fight against a few other big companies who have or want contracts with palworld such as Sony and Microsoft.
As far as I heard, the first pal world demo was in January 2021, and in an interview they say 3 months of work. So January 2021 is as far back they might be able to proplerly show, but there is no info on what the playable demo at the expo had in it. And they speak the dev process was a mess and they lack older builds either. So that also makes it harder to prove when they used the system, heard their previous game use similar mechanics for catching? Craftopia I think it was? But not sure if that will stand. And we still do not know what patents are being quoted. Still, regardless what the patent is, this lawsuit is a joke and plain bullying.
digimon:" im safe..i hope"
Digimon has its own internal issues, but yeah I hope they are safe too
I believe they should be safe.
F Nintendo, they are a bunch of anachronistic losers .
The can’t stand someone doing their formula better.
I recall seeing a post recently that discussed a little about the patent in question. Supposedly that patent was submitted or finalized this year. After Palworld was already a game. But that could have been a speculative post. Either way, definitely a scummy move by the big Nin, and one that is solidly anti player
ITs what we call a Divvisive patent... It takes an old patent they have circumvents the 20 year law of the idea and makea brand new pattent all they have to do is.. Re invent the wheel as it were.
There shoud be a webpage or something where the gamers could rise up against nintendo. They are a scummy company, and we should have a way to voice our dissatisfaction.
HA GAME MECHANICS? Nintendo is the king of using other companies mechanics. Legend of Zelda with the towers is taken from assassins creed for example, there was a guy who pointed out many more so before you ask just look it up
I love so many of the games that Nintendo makes. I hate how they're legal department handles things so much.
nintendo trying to sue palworld for throwing an object at a creature and it becoming friends
meanwhile (from what i heard) dragon quest just there
Win or loose, Nintendo already shown intent and ad they said, "it's the Thought that counts". I am Emulating any new Nintendo games starting to day. I am thinking of selling my Switch Lite, but I think the better thing to do is have it "cracked" to play emulated games. These huge Company quite often forget that the only thing stopping people from Pirating Games is "Good Faith". Nintendo just lost theirs to me.
Yup, was considering a Lite for a while but now I've been using yuzu. Totk and Legends Arceus run pretty good on emulator.
i enjoyed palworld for a good 20-30 hours even though my frame-rate numbers were around my playtime numbers. its a very good game that deserves nothing but more love. i enjoyed Pokemon scarlet and violet for like 10 hours. it was good, but it just left me wondering why they didnt do another legends Arceus game (the game in which i sunk over 50 hours into) or just put more effort into it. i cant remember anything when i think of S/V, but when i think of playworld, i think of my base, my pals, my achievements. sorry if this was a badly written comment, im no writer. thanks for making this though.
Today, i heard Nintento also patenting the Mounting mechanics.
What a scum, any games that have mount system will be targeted.
So, so many mmo's will be very upset
What's sad is that a sizable portian of the Japanese public are on Nintendo's side. While there are nuances to it, the court of public opinion in the country where it matters will not side with Pocketpair.
We need to stand up. We can't rely on lawyers to make this right. This isn't about the winner. The very idea is dangerous for the gaming community, and frankly, we need to stop it here and now.
For too long, we've been letting triple A game studios and mega corporations like Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft tell us how we should play, and we just take it.
With games being underdeveloped and studios not listening to the fans, with pay to win loot crates, not owning a physical copy of our game and games being removed from libraries and eshops. Games are being locked behind consoles. It's just a bunch of stuff we hate. And we take it because they are in charge.
Nintendo is targeting a studio that listens to it's fans and is trying to make a truly enjoyable game, which shouldn't be a problem but it is because these studios don't want to listen to us, it scares Nintendo they don't want competition. But lets be real if pokemon was doing a better job using that massive revenue to be making the best games in different styles like survival and listening fans rather than copy print games that are easy which I personally like but I know many don't. Pal world would not stand a chance. But Nintendo and gamefreak aren't doing that. They view us as a wallet, not an important point when making decisions.
So, at the core of this lawsuit is the game industries desire to put us down, not pocket pair. No US, the gamer community. This is an act to destroy the people who listen to us and return the power to the giants that don't care.
Personally, I think this is the time to put our feet down collectivly. We need to stop this. It will be hard. We love Nintendo games. But the only way to hit them is to stop buying their stuff. Boycot them. Send a message we've had enough. If we can band together and damage Nintendo, not only will this make people think twice about this sort of dangerous tactic in court. But it will also send a message.
None of you corporate giants are safe. This is our gaming community, and we aren't playing your games metaphorically, and if you f×ck up literally.
We need to hit them where it hurts.
If the pokemon company wins this legal battle, that is a net-loss for the legal system and the original idea behind what a patent was supposed to be. You patent *very specific* things. Like the very specific connector used to connect the razor handle to the razor blade, so people dont use off-brand razor blades to save cost. That is fine. There is literally *hundreds* such patents, since you just want to make sure other brands dont copy your very specific connector, and there is pretty much an infinite amount of ways to build a connecting mechanism. The patent is not for connectors themselves, nor for connectors for razorblades. That's simply not specific enough.
In a similar fashion, you should absolutely be able to patent, say, an new algorithm, so you can profit off of people using them in their engines, or make your own engine using it and protect that approach. You should absolutely not be able to patent "catch a creature with a ball", *even if* you specify exactly how often the ball needs to wobble before the catch is made. That's just nonsensical. Ideas are not intellectual property. And certainl shouldnt be patentable. That was never the plan. Yet such patents exist. So do patents for other trivial and manners, like minigames in loading screens. The entire system is stupid and against the idea of patents themselves. This works really well for physical / engineering ideas, and also for algorithms, but not for game mechanics.
Pretty sure if iwata was still alive none of this would be a problem. He pushed for creativity, he pushed for the next smash. Nintendo once even pushed for quality. Now that he is gone, all Nintendo has been doing is looking for any reason to sue, make money off of indie devs and, rerelease old games while putting very little work into their 1st party games. I kinda feel like Nintendo just doesn't have the dev teams like they used to and, they are too scared to compete or change their formula. Whatever the reason, this new Nintendo sucks, I hope there next console gets hacked day one. Especially with how they treated the smash community and, the regulations that they put on ultimate and, because of how they treated Nintendo fans in general. I mean I want them to succeed but, seeing them do all this slimy crap. It's really starting to make me hate Nintendo
Yeah... I noticed the change when all of the og people of it started dying or quitting. Rip Iwata...
@@whitedragonzerureusu4480this is bullshit and i can't believe this keep being said as if itwata was a developer and not a ceo. He didn't push for shit he was an executive and even at his time Nintendo already was like this.
Saying Nintendo puts very little work when switch has some of the best games in history is an amazing sign of ignorance
@@ausgod538 they hardly put any work into the switch. It's 85% 3rd party games and, ports/remakes. The other games they have worked. When they do actually make a game worth playing. Its always top tier..... Except for Scarlett and, Violet. Those.. where really really bad. Anyway, I have both a modded switch and, a normal switch. And, if you look at Librashop with has around switch 53,000 title, (mix of Japanese and, English titles) only a small number of them are actually made by Nintendo. The rest are indie. Witch Nintendo did say they are going to focus on giving indie devs a platform but, still. They had no hand, in the development of those titles and, all they really do is let the devs put their game in the their eShop and, take a percentage of the sale for selling it on Nintendo eShop.
Idk about you, but if Nintendo got mad at pocket pair for making a good monster catching game, maybe make a better with your millions of dollars
The patent lawsuit focuses on the game mechanic that captures the monsters (I. E. Poke Ball vs Pal Spheres).
@@eramferguson1701 It should be noted that the wording of the patent says any item (not ball) that is thrown that captures a fighting creature. So even if it was changed from a Pal Sphere to Pal Cube, that might not stop the lawsuit.
Alright. If Nintendo wins this lawsuit, this could spell the death of games...
So pokemon has made 150 billion.
Palworld has made about 400 mil.
All im saying is pokemon should chill out like they have made too much money to worry about palworld.
Honestly Nintendo is like that jealous person you date, ya know they just get jealous for no reason and it ends up being a turn off so you just want to leave them even though you loved them for so long.
So play palworld now just in case I never can in the future. Got it
I guess that's the problem. One side see's this as upholding creative freedoms, while the other (Some people from Japan) see this as using a different system to punish someone who stole an idea.
In certain people's minds this is Palworld's just desserts for flying too close to the sun. Although I'll always be on the side of creativity and freedom of expression I see their point, and respectfully disagree that this is a good thing.
Palworld is it's own kind of game, much closer in genre to other games like Ark Survival than Pokemon itself. And not only that but this sets a precedent going forward that using patents to control what can be made is fair game...
The one thing I want to note is the fact that Nintendo only publishes Pokémon. They don’t make the games. Gamefreak does.
So it’s weird to me that it’s Nintendo doing the lawsuit, rather than The Pokémon Company
Nintendo is the pokemon Company. ITs a 2nd party ClusterFuck. But GameFreak cant fight. TPC is a Front for both Parties but has NO LEGAL POWER so daddy nintendo to the rescue.
Gamefreak owns the rights to the games, The Pokémon company owns the rights to merchandise and branding(Trademarks), Nintendo however owns all the remaining legal rights for example the patents and copyrights
@@snintendog again. Nintendo is just the publisher. They own some of the rights to Pokémon which is why it is exclusive to Nintendo consoles. But they are not the Pokémon Company
Power of money bro thats the harsh reality slam them billions then boom
Your lack of mention around the patent in question "player throws ball at x to capture creature x" basically, could be confusing to others that haven't read about the specifics. Also from their wording of the patent it almost could apply to freaking thrown grenades basically
was that the patent? i thought that was just people taking a wild guess
That is speculation. They never revealed what patent they were infringing upon
Your right its even more vague AHEM.
"In a first mode, an aiming direction in a virtual space is determined
based on a second operation input, and a player character is caused to
launch, in the aiming direction, an item that affects a field character
disposed on a field in the virtual space, based on a third operation
input. In a second mode, the aiming direction is determined, based on
the second operation input, and the player character is caused to
launch, in the aiming direction, a fighting character that fights, based
on the third operation input."
@snintendog thanks, I posted the quote but included polygons article link, didn't post successfully. But this is what I'd read and yeah seems very vague wording
@@blacktemplar707 the vagueness is designed. Shape of the object isn't the patent it's the fact a thrown item in battle is the patent. So it can be Anything. Capture, grenade, healing, a rock.
I will say that I don't think that Palworld is innovative but the popularity is probably a symptom of people wanting Pokemon to be innovative. At the same time, I think Nintendo should be pressuring the Pokemon Company and not the Palworld developers. If Palworld is successful because Pokemon is stale, then Nintendo should put pressure on Pokemon to be better and put in the right amount of work and creativity.
Here’s the thing with Japan and Fair-Use
In Japan, Fair-Use doesn’t exist (unfortunately). Hence the Japanese Copyright legal system being infamously ruthless (and it’s sure as hell not limited to Nintendo *cough* Square *cough* Toei Animation *cough* or most anime companies for that matter).
And yet they still have the biggest number of brand loyalists in the world.
amazing music choice dude, first time ive heard deadbolt ost outside of my own playlist
I appreciate your video. I'm a fan of pokemon since they started and been a fan of palworld since it announced in 2021.
Its a long shot for pocketpair but I'm rooting for them. It's also bs they made the throwing aiming mechanic first in craftopia nintendo patented it a year later the same year palworld was announced.
People keep praising Palworld as "innovative" just because it slaps guns into a Pokémon-style game, but let’s be real - that’s not innovation. It’s a blatant attempt to profit off Pokémon’s iconic formula while adding a superficial twist. How does copying the core mechanics of Pokémon and then strapping guns onto creatures count as a good argument against Pokémon? It doesn’t. If anything, Palworld shows how derivative ideas can be disguised as 'new.'
The argument that gaming will die if Nintendo wins the lawsuit is ridiculous. No, gaming isn’t going to collapse because a company rightfully defends its intellectual property. If anything, the greater danger to creativity is letting games like Palworld succeed. Why? Because if developers realize they can simply rip off established franchises without consequence, that’s when true innovation dies. No one will bother coming up with fresh ideas if it’s easier to copy someone else’s work and make a quick buck. Palworld isn’t some underdog game that's advancing the industry - it's taking advantage of a legal loophole and fan frustration.
And let’s not forget that lawsuits like this aren’t new for Nintendo or Pokémon. They’ve taken down fan games before, but that’s because it’s their intellectual property. Sure, it sucks for the fans, but legally and morally, they have the right to protect their creation. These lawsuits aren't over every little thing; they go after projects that cross the line.
Nintendo is simply doing what any company should - defending its property from being exploited. If we don’t respect that, we might as well throw originality and creativity out the window.
Me : "hyped for jamboree and looking to buy a switch"
Nintendo : "Sues Pocket pair with a BS lawsuit"
Me : "There goes your sale! And plenty more of them to come!"
You could just buy used if you really want it, usually doesn't take that long for used games to appear online.
Love the video! Thanks for talking about this
I would love to see Sega countersue with SMT and get their fingers in the pokemon pie, would make nintendo think twice next time. I don't know how they were granted a patent for something they didn't invent to begin with.
7:13 Temtem and Nexomon are sold on the Nintendo Switch , they obviously got a deal with Nintendo
love the new direction your channel is going in. i'm rooting for you
Nintendo has, for lack of a better word, lost all honor.