Well at least mega beedrill was good in let’s go! It was a solid choice as a powerhouse at 1v1. Not necessarily the best but a good and not rare choice.
Pokerogue fixes mega beedrill by giving him the passive of tinted lens (deal double damage with non-very efective attacks), basically making it at least hit neutral to everything
Mega beedrill was pretty GOATED in singles especially with fairy types now being in game, adaptability with 150 attack and 145 speed was pretty nuts plus it had great coverage moves
Beedrill was a legit threat in smogon singles UU and could have a role in OU. It just suffered from opportunity cost that you couldn't use a better mega. It was particularly good in gen 7 when the speed change took immediate effect and no longer had to run protect.
Gen 7 Mega Beedrill was a menace in Singles. Used it with big success all the time in OU. I used Drill Run, Poison Jab, U-Turn and Fel Stinger.. pickinf off a pokemon with Fel Stinger was extremely broken as most players sacrificied a pokemon to get a safe switch to a Beedrill check that can take 2 hits and can OHKO Mega Beedrill.. but with +3 Atk that was impossible :D
He needs to try giving Mega Banette another win just to see if he can do it, as a challenge, if he doesn't have something 10x better to do in a tournament anyway lol no point in sacking something really exciting or cool. I'd just really love to see if he can.
For VGC fans that are curious to know if any of these megas had any success in Singles formats: - Mega Alakazam, Mega Pidgeot and Mega Beedrill were good and saw notable competetive play in smogon formats. - Mega Altaria was amazing in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire smogon singles and was one of the best pokemon in the format.
@@Tauschung Mega Blastoise is a certified Ubers mon in Natdex formats due to having access to its Mega form and Shell Smash at the same time. Mega Alakazam is generally banned from draft league formats due to having too many shenanigans.
I've been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and been going through my treatment for 2 months now my will to live have been at a all time low pokemon is the only thing that made me feel good and watching your video makes me feel good I just wanted to thank you wolfey i love your videos
Cancer can suck a fat one. Stay strong brother. I know pancreatic is particularly rough and I don't want to assume, but I wish you the best hope for recovery.
stay strong dude, i hope you can keep going to see what new things both pokemon and wolfey can come up with, along with other good things that life can offer you in the future.
I gotta respect the editor(s) for taking some of the things Wolfe says and making it more understandable for the less initiated with competitive pokemon
The amount of people I genuinely stomped with Mega Beedrill lol U Turn, Knock Off and Poison Jab honestly did a lot for me at times. My spicy pick. The early Routed Weedle…a true legend.
@dephony5648 it's not that hard. Bee is a stone cold killer. You just have to actually put a thought or two into how you're playing, it's just not an auto win
@@RyanGraham-k2n What thoughts do you use when It comes to a very, VERY subpar mon that also wastes your mega slot? It dies to a sneeze and has average for the gen stats, meaning you won't be one shotting most mon while they will one shot you. As well as not great typing for doubles, it's hard to bring it safely into battle or keep it alive as a lead. If you legit won a high ELO doubles OU game on showdown with it I want to see it, like put it on UA-cam.
Dude, I hated going against mega beedril it had a great offensive pivot set, and it has a ground move for heatran, gengar, and the last mon he had that was poison. I think bro forgot Beedrill has Drill Run... bad in doubles? yes Bad in singles? NO
At 13:05, Wolfey says that he "was always trying to skill swap [no guard] to put it on another pokemon and then try and use one-hit KO moves like sheer cold and fissure". This is misleading, as he uses the past tense, despite the fact that he is actively streaming an attempt to skill swap no guard onto lapras to use sheer cold.
Yes! What a coincidence that this video released on the same day Wolfy is streaming a tournament using the skill-swap no-guard sheer-cold combo team :P
Because the bug scary wallbreaker role that just throws out insanely powerful moves that are hard to take is very bad in doubles, because you will just get KO’d by the second mon and there arent really proper walls to break
@@murcielago4471 I understand why, thanks. In singles, having an insanely strong STAB U-turn with a speed stat like that is just great - basically a pseudo scarfer/revenge killer that can swap out and keep momentum on your side, without the drawback of bring unable to switch moves. Of course in a doubles meta where you only have 4 team members and (sometimes) access to box legendary Pokemon, a strong U turn just isn’t gonna cut it if that’s your niche. Lokix currently functions very similarly to how drill did, except it’s arguably better
IM 90% sure altaria is a victim of the meta at this time it was so centralized around things like mega kanga that it never got a chance singles banned most of the broken ones.
@Mobtrapper-hq8is Frankly, looking at primal Groudon and Kyogre, at that point someone in GF said "Fuck balance, let's see how broken we can make one of the already strongest dragons in the franchise".
It’s so funny that most of the worst megas in VGC are some of the best in Smogon singles. Really makes you think about what attributes are important in each format.
I came from the smash ultimate scene before Pokemon and I love how widely considered incinaroar is in smash to be one of the coolest and fun characters but come to the Pokemon scene where he is the curse to anyone who has tried comp in these last few years
@@plumali_youtube163 I wouldn't say Incineroar sucks so much as it's entirely outclassed. Landorus-T is still the best Intimidate user in Singles while Incineroar fell off. It's the inverse of what happened in Doubles where Lando fell off and Incineroar became #1.
A major change to Mega Absol that can HOPEFULLY make it better is to change its stat distribution and change its typing. One fan variant of the mega is that it was turned into a Dark/Fairy type given that it learns Play Rough
The fact that that thing isn't evil, but a misunderstood guy who wants to help humans by warning them about disasters and the fairy wings somehow didn't make gamefreak go "oh yeah this thing could be dark/fairy" is insane. And agreed, it's so stupid how many Megas got their Megas mediocre or wasted simply because GF went full gen 3 syndrome again to make them mied attackers.
I’d give it fairy typing, but also move 60 points of its special attack into its bulk, so it doesn’t always get one shot. Btw, when you said “fan variant”, do you mean the one in radical red showdown?
@@kailesperance1922 It's absolutely insane how hard they bungled Mega Absol. They looked at a pokémon with 130 attack and 75 special attack and went "yeah, let's put 40 into its special attack and *only 20 into its attack stat"* ... having it stay insanely frail, but insultingly, its Mega form still has lower special attack than the regular form has attack. Its stat distribution absolutely should've been something like 65 HP, 160 Attack, 90 Def, 45 Special Attack, 90 Spdef, 115 Speed or something. Like, with Beedrill, Sableye, Mawile and Pidgeot, they absolutely understood the assignment on how to make them usable, but somehow they dropped the ball hard with quite a few gen 3 megas. Mega Absol being one of the most egregious. I love Mega Banette and its design, and I love they pumped 50 into its attack for an absolutely disgusting 165, but then they also gave 10 special attack for... a paltry 93. Instead, they should've chopped 50 off its special attack and redistributed it. I agree that you must absolutely not min-max any pokémon's mega with already super strong stats like starters, pseudos or something, but any pokémon with less than 480 BST absolutely should've gotten some min-max with a dump stat just to be able to keep up with having 50-100 less BST to work with in the first place.
shoutouts to beedrill's case, where back in gen 6 megaevolving didnt applied the new speed value on the same turn, so it couldn't even get value of it's huge speed increase until the next turn(supposing it could survive until the next turn)
Okay, but can we agree that that worst Mega Evolution is still one of the coolest looking? I love the design and the fact that it got a Mega Evolution in the first place.
Wolfey titled the video wrong. He ranked Mega POKÉMON, not Mega EVOLUTIONS. Mega Beedrill is easily the best Mega Evolution, considering how much it improves the base Pokémon. Beedrill has been beyond useless competitively ever since Gen I and Mega Beedrill actually had a niche, however small. I suppose you could make the argument that Mega Mawile is the best Mega Evolution, but Gen VI Mawile has the best typing AND one of the best abilities in the game already, so the starting point, while low, was nowhere near the bottom of the barrel that is Beedrill. And really? You want to fix Beedrill so badly that you scrape stat points from its Special Attack, but Mega Mawile can just have an Ability that effectively more than doubles its base Attack?? The hell, Game Freak??
Just wanted to say that I actually really appreciate you explicitly not saying the pokemon that it was. It comes off as super thoughtful (especially because I haven't finished the video yet lol)
it's the worst VGC wise but in a singles perspective it's pretty good! UU iirc and it was just a massive pivoting revenge-killing threat, similar to the hold that Lokix currently has in Gen 9 UU. Its main flaw was having competition with Mega Aerodactyl as the physical and fast glass cannon, but Adaptability U-turn is also kinda that worth it.
correction, Mega Incineroar which gets 50 points in speed, 25 points in both defenses, and has simultaneously Intimitdate, Special Intimidate, Prankster, and Regenerator.
Mega Incineroar with intimidate, so you can get intimidate twice and has points added to it's defenses and speed. Or Mega Incineroar with Prankster Parting shot. And has 50 points in each defenses Or Mega Incineroar with Good as Gold.
@@picklehari9531 intimidate is not enough, gotta have a special counter too xD So lower special attack by transforming, then parting shot, then switch in to lower it again. If all goes well we'll see flutter mane -3 sp attack xD
Not to rant at Wolfey but I just wanna say that Aggron got Body Press as of later generations. So if it were to come back it would be able to use the ridiculously high def stat. Justice for Aggron! Thanks for attending my TedTalk
@Mobtrapper-hq8is I think that because Zamazenta gets a +1 boost, STAB Body Press and is much faster and tankier overall (HP and Sp. Def) he's safe as the king Body Presser.
@Mobtrapper-hq8is zamacenta hits body press with stab and doesn't waste the mega slot, so I think aggron wouldn't be enough to take its place, I might say that neither archaludon's one because it have stamina.
If Aggron had a better base stat spread, for example, taking away 40 points from its special attack that it never even uses, and putting them in special defense or hp, then it would be really good.
Whats really funny about this is that Pokémon like M-Beedrill or M-Pidgeot were actually fairly decent in singles, which I find really cool to play both formats because they are incredibly different
I wish Mega Altaria was retconned to just be a regular evolution. It's a shame that it has a really cool typing that we have never seen since and the stats are 590 still putting it below pseudo-legends and it has some good moves.
100% this, infact i think alot of the 2 stage mons that got megas should be made regular evos. Prime case Banette, the counterpart to Dusclops who got Dusknoir so Mega Banette should be an evo with same bst of Dusknoir. Also Houndoom, Medicham, Camerupt, Sharpedo, Manetric, Abomosnow, Lopunny and few others
@@xierotron Some pokemon would be really op if megas were the base evolution, Mega Mawile with life orb and if you are able to set up trick room would be Thanos
@@paradoxzee6834 yes please read fully what I said, my example was mega Banette should be an evo with the same BST as Dusknoir not 100+ so obviously you would balance them out
I do hope some of the mega become normal evolutions soon. Some of the mons that got them really need them to be the base Absol, lopunny, mawile, ect. They can still evolve since 3 evolutions are max so why did they give mega and force them to never get an evolution in the future.
Mega Blastoise may be a real, genuine threat when Megas come back because under no circumstances should a Pokémon with *those* stats be 50 feet near a move like Shell Smash, which it got in Gen 8.
I literally had no idea Mega Absol wasn't a dual dark/fairy type. For my entire play time I always assumed it had the fairy type because LOOK AT IT?????
Honestly the mega would have to be insane for it to be good. Intimidate is such a useful ability, and the megas almost always have a different ability than base forme
Audino is my favorite Pokémon. Every day I am heartbroken at how dirty they did Mega Audino. I'm begging on my knee's for Gamefreak to give it a better ability in Legends Z-A.
I do agree with most of these points, but Mega Beedrill absolutely does NOT have terrible coverage. Drill Run and Knock Off hit all three types that resist Bug and Poison. The issue here is 4 moveslot syndrome. You want X-Scissor, U-Turn, Poison Jab, Drill Run, Knock Off, Protect, Fell Stinger and Swords Dance all to varying degrees. Mega Beedrill just can't do everything all at once.
yeah no as someone who RELIGIOUSLY ran mega bee in oras saying its coverage is bad is downright ridiculous. now fitting all you want in one set however....
Give it Regenerator back as an ability, buff its special attack to 120-125 and both of its defenses up to 200 points each, be slightly faster with a speed stat of between 90 and 100, give it OP Fairy-Type moves like Moonblast, and unpopular opinion, but I think both normal and Mega Audino should have been pure Fairy-Types. If a Pokemon with access to Mega Evolution can actually terastalised at the same time, if both mechanics exist in the same game anyways, imagine how decent would a Fairy-Type Tera Mega Audino be (only if it was in Scarlet and Violet). I love the design, it's in fact, one of my favourite Mega Pokemon design wise, it's such a shame that this cute magical girl Audino had it's stats messed up and poor thing can't do much damage. Only if they're buffed in the future, I would have used it a lot in battle in a normal playthrough. What sucks even more is (and honestly unfair in my opinion) the fact Audino is the only one from Unova to get a Mega Evolution, Maractus never got one, Zebstrika never got one, Leavanny never got one, Victini never got one and Mienshao never got one to name a few, and it's a shame to because while I love Mega Audino personally and I think Audino needed one, the others needed one too.
Pidgeot could have been a special sweeper with a very good special attack, but the moveset is what let it down. It doesn't even get focus blast, and not a single special attack boosting move, besides work up. But that's whey too unreliable, could've been better
@LucasLillie Yes, while I would have done more to improve Pidgeot moveset wise, I think making Base Pidgeot have at least 90 base special attack would be good, while No guard is a decent ability for Mega Pidgeot, its moveset is what's holding it back from being at least an OU Pokemon. The fact Pidgeot does not get much moves to make up for its above average special attack (same as Base Alakazam). Really makes it a generic Mega. I think if it got nasty plot, focus blast, a better moveset, it would've been better
@@silver_was_found Yeah, and also, Calm Mind wouldn't be a bad pick but if you want a full on offensive Flying type special attacker, you might as well add nasty plot to the moveset as well. Or give it a special attacking counterpart of "Fell Stinger". But it'd be broken in Singles if that were to ever happen lolz
@LucasLillie even though it won't be completely broken due to more power creep, it could at least get some buffs to its moveset to make it at least viable, as well as some stat buffs to make it actually good. But not broken
@@somethingelse8498 The list is based off VGC. In challenge runs like radical red and say Run and Bun where mega beedrill is absolutely cracked, the same cannot be said when it comes to 4v4 doubles.
i think the gravest sin Mega Audino committed was that it implicitly brought with it the promise of more Gen 5 Megas. and that would've been awesome to see. i'm picturing Mega Vanilluxe in my head and it's just... yeah that would've been a sight to behold. sadly, this never came to pass.
9:47 "to use an analogy that players who have started with scarlet and violet would understand" and proceeds to compare everything to flutter mane actually feel so called out because every time i see a stat spread i just think "how close is this stat spread to flutter mane" 😭
I don't know WHAT GameFreak was thinking giving audino a mega. There are so many gen 5 pokemon that deserved a mega, like excadrill, gigalith, haxorus, darmanitan, hydreigon, seismitoad and more. Out of all those mons, they gave audino a mega?! Here's hoping for more gen 5 megas in Legends ZA🤞.
Megas seemed to be partially based on marketing, and partially who they made art for It’s why Mewtwo got a mega (fan service) and the Gen 3 legends got primal/ mega forms (story and marketing) Then there is Flygon, who didn’t get a mega because the team couldn’t decide on art they liked Mega Audino likely exists because they DID agree on art they liked
I'm guessing GameFreak was probably afraid of making Mega Garchomp _too_ strong, hence why its so terrible... They've shown that they are well aware of the competitive side of things, and Garchomp has been really good for a long time (at least at the time Megas were introduced) so they probably wanted to keep it somewhat "balanced," but ended up just making it worse.
I was expecting Mega Abomasnow. They both have different niches ig? Glalie and Abomasnow are the only ice type megas and Abomasnow just seems like a nuts Trick Room Blizzard user
@captainmega6310 True. My point is a pokemon doesn't have to look like a fairy to be fairy type. Mega Absol's angelic wings and the fact that it's actually a good-willed pokemon that tries to warn people. Those reasons could justify the fairy typing imo.
Cosmog and cosmoem being restricted has ALWAYS been a running joke in the meta, like that they're so terrible that regulations can't allow them in And about Mewtwo, that's *HEAVILY* ironic.
Well, we can also talk about base Necrozma and base Calyrex if we really want. We can also remember that Cosmog and Cosmoem's status as restricted Mons is like honorary, because they're the only restricted prevos to this day. Or, hear me out, we can do both
As a Beedril fan, I saw this comming the second I saw the name of the video, and you are absolutely right... Beedril is one of those Pokemon that should get a 4th evolution to give them some chance of being usable.
The problem is that then competitive players are just... not going to use any of the new guys, which isn't exactly a very good look from a marketing standpoint, unless you go Maximum Dexit and just lock away everything that came before Black/White style (and god knows what the reaction to _that_ would be). I mean, remember when gen 7 tried to do something similar and people just complained about how all the new mons were too slow to be usable?
@@ExeloMinishthey can make pokemons slow and good tho. Like, the difference between 120 speed and 20 speed are 100 points that can distributed between attack and bulk. The bugvest problem is that the insist on a 60-80 level of speed wich is a big waste of BST.
Mega evolution is the coolest but worst competitive feature... A team can only have one so you're naturally gonna go for the best and all the other ones will never be touched and become a waste of time. Really sad that such a cool feature is so badly designed.
Which was probably why the next battle mechanics introdued (Z-moves, Dynamax, Terastallization) are all general super moves that can be used by any and all Pokemon. (Aside from the hero wolves, who can't Dynamax, but they have a signature attack related to the mechanic.)
Your Absol to Arceus story reminded me of spending an entire day catching all shapes of Unown in gen 2 because I thought you got some cool reward for it. Turns out all you get is the ability to print in the Unown alphabet with the Gameboy Printer, which I never owned.
i do hope that even when incineroar stops being meta like 20 years from now that wolfe still throws up incineroar graphics in videos for people to comment about 2 minutes after a video releases.
frankly I don't think incin will ever stop being meta. it's a dark type neutral against fairies with intimidate, fake out, and multiple switching moves. you would need absurd levels of power creep that would probably necessitate significantly raising the BST floor before incin can become relatively frail enough for those qualities not to be extremely useful.
@@Sizzyli doubted that they love trolling wolfey about incineroar i mean they buff it this generation wolfey makes the competitive pokemon so relevant so i doubted that they will nerf it next gen
Im not sure why they didn't revamp Mega Evolution to be "Pokémon with stats below 500 get buffed to 650" or something. Sure that means some Pokémon get 145 stat points but like, that's just a little stronger than a Pseudo. That way a bunch of bad Pokémon, get noticeable improvements. They gain so many stat points that it's hard *not* to be good.
The absol evolving into arceus thing resonates with me 😂 my brother was for some reason convinced that Spinda would evolve into Zangoose and that that was the only way to get one
I think your discussion about how many megas would be good if they were a pokemon's new base form is what game freak learned from gen 6. Mega ampharos had to die so fluttermane could live...and kill everything else
Valid placement for VGC, though it should be prefaced that mega beedrill is genuinely threatening in singles, and it gets great coverage in drill run, a ground type move that hits fire, rock, and steel type that it otherwise couldn't (although from my experience it still loses out to mega gengar due to its lower speed and being so frail). If you remove sucker punch users, it can very quickly sweep especially after fell stinger or swords dance.
@LucasLillie yeah you can't really argue it's placement when a single stray from rock tomb will likely 0KO... but in singles he's viable while not at all meta
@@KeelHeel"although from my experience it still loses out to Mega Gengar due to its lower Speed and being so frail" Do you mean Mega Beedrill is still worse than Mega Gengar in singles? If so, you're absolutely right, but that has more to do with Mega Gengar's insanely broken ability, as Mega Beedrill is actually faster than Mega Gengar; it's Mega Alakazam, and I think Mega Aerodactyl, that are faster by like 5 points.
It's a general rule that fast strong glasscanon (especially if they can pivot) are strong in single where you only have one mon to worry about that has to take the hit or let someone else do, compared to doubles where you can play around it with protect. It's a lot harder to justify constantly switching around after getting like one hit in double, with 4 mons and 2 targeting you.
@@KeelHeelif it was ORAS then it may also have been that who moves first in the turn was decided before mega evolution so on the turn they mega evolve Gengar would have been faster.
I'm a fan of mixed sweeper Mega Altaria, it has really good coverage. Return, EQ, Fire Blast, Roost/Cotton Guard/DDance. But I think I just wanted it to work because the pokemon looks so cool...
It’s not the mega that gets me mad, but the terrible hidden ability. Charizard gets a huge power buff in the sun. Venasaur doubles speed, and Blastoise…heals an insignificant amount of HP in the rain. How about increase D/SpD in the rain? That would play to his strengths while also keeping with the themes of the other trio. What a waste
I mean now Blastoise has shell smash so mega Blastoise could maybe get to do something?? But idk that defense drop may be an issue since it can't run white herb
@@bricecube320thank every being above that G-max Beedrill doesn't exist. Overlooking other G-max Pokemon's design conventions it would be a very small bee with a ginormous stinger reminiscent of an industrial drill, that's also a hive with smaller Beedrills tending to it
GameFreak will probably make Mega Incineroar in the Legends game to play as an Offensive threat instead of Support allowing two different playstyles in a pokemon. They will probably be happy to see their Fav cat at his former prime usage rates.
It made competitive a lot more fun in my opinion. Another dimension to be concerned about without it completely changing the trajectory of the battle in one turn like tera does
A big reason is because the power of beedril mega is the pivot with U-Turn and high attack, but in vgc that strategy is not good, not only because singles have longer battles, but vgc is "attack fastly with maximum power and win". But is better in vgc than mega banette
@@Paulo-Gabriédenpivot strats work well in vgc, you just also have to do something on entry/ exit. Incin has intimidate Rillaboom has grassy terrain Even Miraidon ran volt switch because it hits hard and can reset its own terrain “Just” strong u turn isn’t enough.
I feel like Paradox Pokémon were Game Freak's attempt to give us "megas" without stones.. just a shame they based their ability to rely on holding an item again! 😂
Wait, as far as I know BASE Alakazam got +10 Sp. D. boost in Gen 7, so both gens give it +100 BST. I may be wrong though, just saying this info should be double checked
@ldmtag just double checked it, alakazam is consistently base 500 but Gen 6 mega zam is base 590 while Gen 7 base mega zam is base 600, atleast according to serebii
This is the single worst day of my life
Lol
"Worst day of your life, so far" - Homer J. Simpson
Its ok bug buddy
Look on the bright side buddy, Fell Stinger never works but when it does, it's the funniest set in Gen VII UU
fr, mega beedrill is ngl, VERY op, it won me a small tournament with ease
Mega Beedrill exists to help us remember that "it would be really funny tho" is a perfectly valid reason to do something
Well at least mega beedrill was good in let’s go! It was a solid choice as a powerhouse at 1v1. Not necessarily the best but a good and not rare choice.
Pokerogue fixes mega beedrill by giving him the passive of tinted lens (deal double damage with non-very efective attacks), basically making it at least hit neutral to everything
Mega Beedrill was pretty fun in casual play. Sure it dies in one hit but it can get some pretty nasty damage out if given the chance lol
Mega beedrill was pretty GOATED in singles especially with fairy types now being in game, adaptability with 150 attack and 145 speed was pretty nuts plus it had great coverage moves
@@Zwow007 it had drill run and knock off and could still run over teams not packing decent priority, assuming you can get it onto the field
Sucker Punch: * exists *
Mega Alakazam: "Guess I'll die" 🤷♂
tapu lele switch in: "you ain't gonna die buddy"
@@LAIDDN24Dugtrio: Oh yes you are! *Arena Trap kicks in*
@@stevelucky7579 this is doubles right?
then amoonguss: rage power
@@LAIDDN24You forgot my UU play!
has safety goggles
Blud will die in one normal type bite
What sucks about mega Beedrill being so ass it that it looks genuinely terrifying… until you remember it’s a bug type from route 2
Beedrill was a legit threat in smogon singles UU and could have a role in OU. It just suffered from opportunity cost that you couldn't use a better mega. It was particularly good in gen 7 when the speed change took immediate effect and no longer had to run protect.
@LucasLilliehonestly from this comment I'd love to see this type of video for singles.
Gen 7 Mega Beedrill was a menace in Singles. Used it with big success all the time in OU. I used Drill Run, Poison Jab, U-Turn and Fel Stinger.. pickinf off a pokemon with Fel Stinger was extremely broken as most players sacrificied a pokemon to get a safe switch to a Beedrill check that can take 2 hits and can OHKO Mega Beedrill.. but with +3 Atk that was impossible :D
It's one of the strongest Megas in singles thanks to STAB U-Turn and massive physical damage in general
Mega Beedrill has a redemption arc in Run and Bun 🥰 he’s a legitimately great encounter there
Wolfey himself saving Megabanette from being in the list by winning 1 time with it is certainly funny
Bannette be like - Thanks incine- loving guy.... 😂
He needs to try giving Mega Banette another win just to see if he can do it, as a challenge, if he doesn't have something 10x better to do in a tournament anyway lol no point in sacking something really exciting or cool. I'd just really love to see if he can.
Prankster destiny bond can be pretty scary, or being a menace with prank status moves
Banette my beloved pokemon
@@FTW1230still good but you're playing by a thin line against new beasts lol
For VGC fans that are curious to know if any of these megas had any success in Singles formats:
- Mega Alakazam, Mega Pidgeot and Mega Beedrill were good and saw notable competetive play in smogon formats.
- Mega Altaria was amazing in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire smogon singles and was one of the best pokemon in the format.
Mega Ala is straight up ban worth and is.. it's amazing
Didn’t Mega Blastoise also come up in some Smogon formats?
@@Tauschung Mega Blastoise is a certified Ubers mon in Natdex formats due to having access to its Mega form and Shell Smash at the same time. Mega Alakazam is generally banned from draft league formats due to having too many shenanigans.
I know I loved having Mega Altaria on my team in Omega Ruby
mega altaria was my floofball back when i bothered with smogon competitive :")
I've been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and been going through my treatment for 2 months now my will to live have been at a all time low pokemon is the only thing that made me feel good and watching your video makes me feel good I just wanted to thank you wolfey i love your videos
Cancer can suck a fat one. Stay strong brother. I know pancreatic is particularly rough and I don't want to assume, but I wish you the best hope for recovery.
Don't worry i'm sure you will beat this stupid cancer in no time. Stay strong, i will be rooting for you.
stay strong dude, i hope you can keep going to see what new things both pokemon and wolfey can come up with, along with other good things that life can offer you in the future.
Cancer sucks, I'm sure you'll pull through dude.
Stay strong dude. Be as positive as you can and keep enjoying Pokémon.
I gotta respect the editor(s) for taking some of the things Wolfe says and making it more understandable for the less initiated with competitive pokemon
plus the editing is funny
The amount of people I genuinely stomped with Mega Beedrill lol U Turn, Knock Off and Poison Jab honestly did a lot for me at times. My spicy pick. The early Routed Weedle…a true legend.
If you made mega beedrill work in doubles you deserve a medal lmao
@dephony5648 it's not that hard. Bee is a stone cold killer. You just have to actually put a thought or two into how you're playing, it's just not an auto win
@@RyanGraham-k2n What thoughts do you use when It comes to a very, VERY subpar mon that also wastes your mega slot? It dies to a sneeze and has average for the gen stats, meaning you won't be one shotting most mon while they will one shot you. As well as not great typing for doubles, it's hard to bring it safely into battle or keep it alive as a lead. If you legit won a high ELO doubles OU game on showdown with it I want to see it, like put it on UA-cam.
Dude, I hated going against mega beedril it had a great offensive pivot set, and it has a ground move for heatran, gengar, and the last mon he had that was poison. I think bro forgot Beedrill has Drill Run... bad in doubles? yes Bad in singles? NO
At 13:05, Wolfey says that he "was always trying to skill swap [no guard] to put it on another pokemon and then try and use one-hit KO moves like sheer cold and fissure". This is misleading, as he uses the past tense, despite the fact that he is actively streaming an attempt to skill swap no guard onto lapras to use sheer cold.
Yes! What a coincidence that this video released on the same day Wolfy is streaming a tournament using the skill-swap no-guard sheer-cold combo team :P
Wolfie prolly thought while making this video "After all... why not? Why shouldn't I skill swap No Guard onto my Sheer Cold user?"
He was. He still is, but he was too. Always live by the jank.
@@WG_Zombeenie win and die by the jank
Shuckle with the fact check.
Incineroar appears at 0:26 in a video talking about the worst megas
Dear arceus you're fast
@@Idrop123 Not as fast as Wolfey mentioning Incineroar
mega incineroar
*Boosting this comment by replying*
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The single best buff that they can give mega aggron going into legens ZA is body press. Finally, a reason for that humongous def stat
The return of The Wall
Aggron does get body press in the newer generations (heat crash too!) so the wall finally become one of the best megas
As a singles player, it’s so funny learning that so many top tier threats are totally useless in VGC 😂 beedrill and altaria were great in singles
Literally
Because the bug scary wallbreaker role that just throws out insanely powerful moves that are hard to take is very bad in doubles, because you will just get KO’d by the second mon and there arent really proper walls to break
@@murcielago4471 I understand why, thanks. In singles, having an insanely strong STAB U-turn with a speed stat like that is just great - basically a pseudo scarfer/revenge killer that can swap out and keep momentum on your side, without the drawback of bring unable to switch moves. Of course in a doubles meta where you only have 4 team members and (sometimes) access to box legendary Pokemon, a strong U turn just isn’t gonna cut it if that’s your niche. Lokix currently functions very similarly to how drill did, except it’s arguably better
IM 90% sure altaria is a victim of the meta at this time it was so centralized around things like mega kanga that it never got a chance singles banned most of the broken ones.
It's because singles have tiers. Remove them and it will be a hell
>special attacker with no guard
>stab can't hit steels
>doesnt get focus blast
@Mobtrapper-hq8is it works well with rayquaza! A bit too well i might add tho..
@@emeraldblade3747 Would be cool if everyone got their special move to m.evolve.
@Mobtrapper-hq8is Frankly, looking at primal Groudon and Kyogre, at that point someone in GF said "Fuck balance, let's see how broken we can make one of the already strongest dragons in the franchise".
Does get Heat Wave
13:05 Wolfe really foreshadow us with that speech about the "no guard - ohko moves" combo
It’s so funny that most of the worst megas in VGC are some of the best in Smogon singles. Really makes you think about what attributes are important in each format.
@@noahzerose not competing with mega khan is why most are good in singles
It does annoy me that he just covers “official” VGC format when most people play singles and the actual game is mostly singles
I came from the smash ultimate scene before Pokemon and I love how widely considered incinaroar is in smash to be one of the coolest and fun characters but come to the Pokemon scene where he is the curse to anyone who has tried comp in these last few years
That's cause they're not playing singles
Incineroar sucks there
Incin looks so cool & awesome in smash though
Then smash players rage because they die at 40 to a random alolan whip (I hate incineroar in smash)
that's because Ultimate is a Singles format and competitive Pokemon is Doubles LMAOOOO
@@plumali_youtube163 I wouldn't say Incineroar sucks so much as it's entirely outclassed. Landorus-T is still the best Intimidate user in Singles while Incineroar fell off. It's the inverse of what happened in Doubles where Lando fell off and Incineroar became #1.
A major change to Mega Absol that can HOPEFULLY make it better is to change its stat distribution and change its typing. One fan variant of the mega is that it was turned into a Dark/Fairy type given that it learns Play Rough
The fact that that thing isn't evil, but a misunderstood guy who wants to help humans by warning them about disasters and the fairy wings somehow didn't make gamefreak go "oh yeah this thing could be dark/fairy" is insane.
And agreed, it's so stupid how many Megas got their Megas mediocre or wasted simply because GF went full gen 3 syndrome again to make them mied attackers.
I’d give it fairy typing, but also move 60 points of its special attack into its bulk, so it doesn’t always get one shot.
Btw, when you said “fan variant”, do you mean the one in radical red showdown?
@@kailesperance1922 It's absolutely insane how hard they bungled Mega Absol. They looked at a pokémon with 130 attack and 75 special attack and went "yeah, let's put 40 into its special attack and *only 20 into its attack stat"* ... having it stay insanely frail, but insultingly, its Mega form still has lower special attack than the regular form has attack.
Its stat distribution absolutely should've been something like 65 HP, 160 Attack, 90 Def, 45 Special Attack, 90 Spdef, 115 Speed or something.
Like, with Beedrill, Sableye, Mawile and Pidgeot, they absolutely understood the assignment on how to make them usable, but somehow they dropped the ball hard with quite a few gen 3 megas. Mega Absol being one of the most egregious.
I love Mega Banette and its design, and I love they pumped 50 into its attack for an absolutely disgusting 165, but then they also gave 10 special attack for... a paltry 93. Instead, they should've chopped 50 off its special attack and redistributed it.
I agree that you must absolutely not min-max any pokémon's mega with already super strong stats like starters, pseudos or something, but any pokémon with less than 480 BST absolutely should've gotten some min-max with a dump stat just to be able to keep up with having 50-100 less BST to work with in the first place.
@ in the radical red rom itself
shoutouts to beedrill's case, where back in gen 6 megaevolving didnt applied the new speed value on the same turn, so it couldn't even get value of it's huge speed increase until the next turn(supposing it could survive until the next turn)
Okay, but can we agree that that worst Mega Evolution is still one of the coolest looking? I love the design and the fact that it got a Mega Evolution in the first place.
Wolfey titled the video wrong. He ranked Mega POKÉMON, not Mega EVOLUTIONS. Mega Beedrill is easily the best Mega Evolution, considering how much it improves the base Pokémon. Beedrill has been beyond useless competitively ever since Gen I and Mega Beedrill actually had a niche, however small. I suppose you could make the argument that Mega Mawile is the best Mega Evolution, but Gen VI Mawile has the best typing AND one of the best abilities in the game already, so the starting point, while low, was nowhere near the bottom of the barrel that is Beedrill. And really? You want to fix Beedrill so badly that you scrape stat points from its Special Attack, but Mega Mawile can just have an Ability that effectively more than doubles its base Attack?? The hell, Game Freak??
Just wanted to say that I actually really appreciate you explicitly not saying the pokemon that it was. It comes off as super thoughtful (especially because I haven't finished the video yet lol)
@@ewormXD Copium
it's the worst VGC wise but in a singles perspective it's pretty good! UU iirc and it was just a massive pivoting revenge-killing threat, similar to the hold that Lokix currently has in Gen 9 UU. Its main flaw was having competition with Mega Aerodactyl as the physical and fast glass cannon, but Adaptability U-turn is also kinda that worth it.
@@king_alloy it was C tier in UU viability. One or two more years of the meta game and it would drop to RU or RUBL
Editor deserves a raise. So much useful extra info included, but not frenetic
Imagine if Legends Z-A introduces Mega Incineroar with 2 abilities being Intimidate and Regenerator
No, just no, not transform the game on a hackrom with 700 millions abilitys in the same pokemon, don't give idea
@@devgoyal4643 pretty accurate heel move though
correction, Mega Incineroar which gets 50 points in speed, 25 points in both defenses, and has simultaneously Intimitdate, Special Intimidate, Prankster, and Regenerator.
Mega Incineroar with intimidate, so you can get intimidate twice and has points added to it's defenses and speed.
Or
Mega Incineroar with Prankster Parting shot. And has 50 points in each defenses
Or Mega Incineroar with Good as Gold.
@@picklehari9531 intimidate is not enough, gotta have a special counter too xD
So lower special attack by transforming, then parting shot, then switch in to lower it again. If all goes well we'll see flutter mane -3 sp attack xD
Not to rant at Wolfey but I just wanna say that Aggron got Body Press as of later generations. So if it were to come back it would be able to use the ridiculously high def stat. Justice for Aggron!
Thanks for attending my TedTalk
I was just going to say this. I dont know if it gets iron defense too but it could definitely have some niche play
@@Cheky-q7b It does
@Mobtrapper-hq8is I think that because Zamazenta gets a +1 boost, STAB Body Press and is much faster and tankier overall (HP and Sp. Def) he's safe as the king Body Presser.
@Mobtrapper-hq8is zamacenta hits body press with stab and doesn't waste the mega slot, so I think aggron wouldn't be enough to take its place, I might say that neither archaludon's one because it have stamina.
If Aggron had a better base stat spread, for example, taking away 40 points from its special attack that it never even uses, and putting them in special defense or hp, then it would be really good.
Whats really funny about this is that Pokémon like M-Beedrill or M-Pidgeot were actually fairly decent in singles, which I find really cool to play both formats because they are incredibly different
I wish Mega Altaria was retconned to just be a regular evolution. It's a shame that it has a really cool typing that we have never seen since and the stats are 590 still putting it below pseudo-legends and it has some good moves.
100% this, infact i think alot of the 2 stage mons that got megas should be made regular evos. Prime case Banette, the counterpart to Dusclops who got Dusknoir so Mega Banette should be an evo with same bst of Dusknoir. Also Houndoom, Medicham, Camerupt, Sharpedo, Manetric, Abomosnow, Lopunny and few others
@@xierotron
Some pokemon would be really op if megas were the base evolution, Mega Mawile with life orb and if you are able to set up trick room would be Thanos
@@paradoxzee6834 yes please read fully what I said, my example was mega Banette should be an evo with the same BST as Dusknoir not 100+ so obviously you would balance them out
I do hope some of the mega become normal evolutions soon. Some of the mons that got them really need them to be the base Absol, lopunny, mawile, ect. They can still evolve since 3 evolutions are max so why did they give mega and force them to never get an evolution in the future.
I got clickbaited by the thumbnail.... but I'm happy that Mega Blastoise is nowhere in this list
This is how I would fix Mega Garchomp's Stats.
HP: 108 Attack: 180 Defense: 125 Special Attack: 80 Special Defense: 105 Speed: 112.
Mega Blastoise may be a real, genuine threat when Megas come back because under no circumstances should a Pokémon with *those* stats be 50 feet near a move like Shell Smash, which it got in Gen 8.
I’m very happy that Mega Rayquaza didn’t make in the list!
Me too
@@benjaminschmitt1562 I'm waiting for it.....
I literally had no idea Mega Absol wasn't a dual dark/fairy type. For my entire play time I always assumed it had the fairy type because LOOK AT IT?????
14:53 “Suffers from having better flying type megas”
*Proceeds to show Mega Charizard X*
the editor is checking if you are paying attention and you passed
Congratulations. You have fallen for comment bait.
@LucasLillieit does have hurricane which is very niche for it but it still has it
@@jakariashafin8685 Mega Zard Y Using Hurricane in Sun it sets up ._.
@@TPfor1 I was talking about base charizard
Wolfeyvgc is preparing for MegaIncineroar
Imagine if they give it prankster.
@@cristhianmontoya6648no, intimidate combined with prankster
Honestly the mega would have to be insane for it to be good. Intimidate is such a useful ability, and the megas almost always have a different ability than base forme
They give it pressure
@@cristhianmontoya6648They give it Intimidate 2 which works off of the higher attacking stat of the opposing pomemon
Audino is my favorite Pokémon.
Every day I am heartbroken at how dirty they did Mega Audino.
I'm begging on my knee's for Gamefreak to give it a better ability in Legends Z-A.
I do agree with most of these points, but Mega Beedrill absolutely does NOT have terrible coverage. Drill Run and Knock Off hit all three types that resist Bug and Poison. The issue here is 4 moveslot syndrome.
You want X-Scissor, U-Turn, Poison Jab, Drill Run, Knock Off, Protect, Fell Stinger and Swords Dance all to varying degrees. Mega Beedrill just can't do everything all at once.
yeah no as someone who RELIGIOUSLY ran mega bee in oras saying its coverage is bad is downright ridiculous.
now fitting all you want in one set however....
The issue is the poor STAB coverage. Pokémon with better STAB just output so much more damage while also freeing up move slots for utility
Mega Audino should have had friend guard. That would be really cool.
Give it Regenerator back as an ability, buff its special attack to 120-125 and both of its defenses up to 200 points each, be slightly faster with a speed stat of between 90 and 100, give it OP Fairy-Type moves like Moonblast, and unpopular opinion, but I think both normal and Mega Audino should have been pure Fairy-Types. If a Pokemon with access to Mega Evolution can actually terastalised at the same time, if both mechanics exist in the same game anyways, imagine how decent would a Fairy-Type Tera Mega Audino be (only if it was in Scarlet and Violet). I love the design, it's in fact, one of my favourite Mega Pokemon design wise, it's such a shame that this cute magical girl Audino had it's stats messed up and poor thing can't do much damage. Only if they're buffed in the future, I would have used it a lot in battle in a normal playthrough. What sucks even more is (and honestly unfair in my opinion) the fact Audino is the only one from Unova to get a Mega Evolution, Maractus never got one, Zebstrika never got one, Leavanny never got one, Victini never got one and Mienshao never got one to name a few, and it's a shame to because while I love Mega Audino personally and I think Audino needed one, the others needed one too.
YES
or just follow me. and give it regen come on game freak
27:00 props to the editor for this way of representing a ranking of the worst, turning the pillars upside down is such an interesting and fun idea
Pidgeot could have been a special sweeper with a very good special attack, but the moveset is what let it down. It doesn't even get focus blast, and not a single special attack boosting move, besides work up. But that's whey too unreliable, could've been better
@LucasLillie Yes, while I would have done more to improve Pidgeot moveset wise, I think making Base Pidgeot have at least 90 base special attack would be good, while No guard is a decent ability for Mega Pidgeot, its moveset is what's holding it back from being at least an OU Pokemon. The fact Pidgeot does not get much moves to make up for its above average special attack (same as Base Alakazam). Really makes it a generic Mega. I think if it got nasty plot, focus blast, a better moveset, it would've been better
Even Calm Mind would've been acceptable. I would've also given it Boomburst personally but that would probably be too much lol
@@silver_was_found Yeah, and also, Calm Mind wouldn't be a bad pick but if you want a full on offensive Flying type special attacker, you might as well add nasty plot to the moveset as well. Or give it a special attacking counterpart of "Fell Stinger". But it'd be broken in Singles if that were to ever happen lolz
@LucasLillie even though it won't be completely broken due to more power creep, it could at least get some buffs to its moveset to make it at least viable, as well as some stat buffs to make it actually good. But not broken
@LucasLillie Inferno? You crazy
I love hearing Wolfey's personal stories with Pokemon. Like the Absol one. Cute.
9:55To use an analogy scarlet AND VOILET players might understand alakazam has the same base HP as a Pokémon not in Pokémon violet
I miss you Mega Beedrill. Your Adaptability U-Turns and murderous Drill Runs captured my heart in Gen 7.
Beedrill being the Number 1 worst mega is a insult like I beat the kanto champion, and radical red with this monster
@@somethingelse8498 The list is based off VGC. In challenge runs like radical red and say Run and Bun where mega beedrill is absolutely cracked, the same cannot be said when it comes to 4v4 doubles.
@@somethingelse8498 its still a monster in pokerogue with fell stinger and thousand arrows lol
Bee drill is insane. I don't know what these ppl are on about. Like they all forget he runs Drill run and outspeeds like 99% of pokemon at the time
MEGA👏ALTARIA👏SOULD👏HAVE👏BEEN👏IT'S👏THIRD👏EVOLUTION👏
Same with mega Absol.
And mega mawile
No
@@monkaeyes the fact that mega mawile and mega sableye couldn't even reach 500 bst is sad
@@ivyartemis2431 the fact that mega mawile didn't need to reach 500 bst to be relevant is pretty cool though
the cynthia comment paragraph 0:55 is REALLY funny. the amount of effort for something that BARELY appears. this is why this is a peak channel
I appreciate that Wolfey acknowledges good non-competitive traits about a Pokemon before he says why they're so bad. I love so many of these megas.
Mega Incine- wait that doesn't work here
Yet
@@dima33 No
@@dima33It’s worst Megas
@@tyquil825 Best in competitive. Worst for competitive. XD
yet
i think the gravest sin Mega Audino committed was that it implicitly brought with it the promise of more Gen 5 Megas. and that would've been awesome to see. i'm picturing Mega Vanilluxe in my head and it's just... yeah that would've been a sight to behold.
sadly, this never came to pass.
Less than 30 seconds and editor snuck in a cheeky incin sprite
9:47 "to use an analogy that players who have started with scarlet and violet would understand" and proceeds to compare everything to flutter mane
actually feel so called out because every time i see a stat spread i just think "how close is this stat spread to flutter mane" 😭
All that Ragnarok Online references with sounds and emotes got me real good. Nice work!!
I don't know WHAT GameFreak was thinking giving audino a mega. There are so many gen 5 pokemon that deserved a mega, like excadrill, gigalith, haxorus, darmanitan, hydreigon, seismitoad and more. Out of all those mons, they gave audino a mega?! Here's hoping for more gen 5 megas in Legends ZA🤞.
Gen 5 DESPERATELY needs more megas. If I don't get a mega Cofagrigus, Gothetelle, Archeops, Serperior, Hydreigon, or Scolipede, I will pitch a fit.
Watch Game Freak add Mega Klinkang to Legends ZA 😎
Megas seemed to be partially based on marketing, and partially who they made art for
It’s why Mewtwo got a mega (fan service) and the Gen 3 legends got primal/ mega forms (story and marketing)
Then there is Flygon, who didn’t get a mega because the team couldn’t decide on art they liked
Mega Audino likely exists because they DID agree on art they liked
Thing is : Audino has just nothing going for it compare to Chansey/Blissey so a Mega was needed so it can stand out.
Did you know the designer behind Mega Audino is also behind SM's Mimikyu and SV's Tinkaton and Maushold lines?
I'm guessing GameFreak was probably afraid of making Mega Garchomp _too_ strong, hence why its so terrible... They've shown that they are well aware of the competitive side of things, and Garchomp has been really good for a long time (at least at the time Megas were introduced) so they probably wanted to keep it somewhat "balanced," but ended up just making it worse.
Gamefreak is just bias they didn't care about Rayquaza getting to use an item or mence despite the nerf.
@@grizzlyscalp9506bias for what?
Meanwhile they made Mega Salamence and Mega Metagross within the same generation
And even within the same game, Mega Gengar and Mega Scizor
Big props to the editor sooo much detail in the editing makes the viewing experience fantastic
I was expecting to see mega Glalie in this video, so rare it wasn't even in the honorable mentions...
Refrigerate Explosion is really funny so I'm glad it's not here
refrigerate is one hell of a drug
I was expecting Mega Abomasnow. They both have different niches ig? Glalie and Abomasnow are the only ice type megas and Abomasnow just seems like a nuts Trick Room Blizzard user
Shoutouts to the animators this episode. They really went above and beyond with some of the small and short visual gags. Deserve solid praise.
13:05
"Foreshadowing" is a literary device in which a writer hints at what is to come later in the story...
Man I forgot Mega Absol wasn't a Fairy type...
I blame its angelic wings and the fact that every romhack and fangame with Megas changes it to fit that look with Dark/Fairy 😭
Why fairy type? It doesn't even look like a fairy
@@captainmega6310Neither does Granbull.
@@2CoolBros. Granbull is pink and references a fey creature
@captainmega6310 True. My point is a pokemon doesn't have to look like a fairy to be fairy type. Mega Absol's angelic wings and the fact that it's actually a good-willed pokemon that tries to warn people. Those reasons could justify the fairy typing imo.
no guard hurricane is sad because that's just hurricane under rain.
I'm loving all your longer length videos, Wolfey, they're lovely to knit to! :)
The terror I live in as a Mega Beedrill fan ... My boy. My beautiful baby boy...
It has a good niche in run and bun, I think. One of the really difficult roms.
Beedrill can't hear the haters over how cool he is.
And how loud the buzzing of its wings is.
“Theres no way Mega Ampharos is on the list”
Literally the words in my head as I click on the video
Oh boy I sure do hope my absolute favourite mega evolution, mega beedrill, doesn't show up on this list
You should watch the ENTIRE video to find out. (or skip to the end if you're impatient)
Wolfe: ...Mewtwo is pretty widely agreed upon as being one of the worst restricted Pokemon...
Cosmog: ....
Cosmoem: ....
Cosmog and cosmoem being restricted has ALWAYS been a running joke in the meta, like that they're so terrible that regulations can't allow them in
And about Mewtwo, that's *HEAVILY* ironic.
Well, we can also talk about base Necrozma and base Calyrex if we really want. We can also remember that Cosmog and Cosmoem's status as restricted Mons is like honorary, because they're the only restricted prevos to this day. Or, hear me out, we can do both
"Yeah yeah Mewtwo is the worst don't talk about us he..hehe"
Lugia: …..
Giratina: ……
Reshiram: ……
Kyurem: …..
@@goGothitaLOL ain't no way bro called reshiram worse than Mewtwo 💀
8:32 the detail on the editing is really well done on these videos, kudos.
I love the usage of hollow knight music at 29:24 to highlight how empty I feel thinking about how competitively unviable mega altaria is :'(
19:41 It’s okay ampharos, you’re the best mega to me.😢
FABIOOOOOOO
To me too. I’m SAAAAAAAD
If only it has a set-up move so that it’s 165 Sp. Atk is more than just for show
Like idk, maybe Tail Glow?
@@goGothitaLOLtail glow is what amphy should of had for ages
As a Beedril fan, I saw this comming the second I saw the name of the video, and you are absolutely right...
Beedril is one of those Pokemon that should get a 4th evolution to give them some chance of being usable.
Jesus Christ Cynthia wtf 0:55
This makes me miss all those "New Mega Evolutions for Pokemon Sun and Moon" theory videos
It took 26 seconds for incineroar to appear in a video about the worst mega evolutions, a concept that happened a generation before incineroar did
I really hope they lower the power ceiling with new gens, the fact that a speed stat of 100-115 is middling nowadays is crazy
The problem is that then competitive players are just... not going to use any of the new guys, which isn't exactly a very good look from a marketing standpoint, unless you go Maximum Dexit and just lock away everything that came before Black/White style (and god knows what the reaction to _that_ would be).
I mean, remember when gen 7 tried to do something similar and people just complained about how all the new mons were too slow to be usable?
by this logic a speed nerf to urshifu wouldn't change a thing since it's already slow...obviously not, 97 -> 80 speed would hurt urshifu so much
They should just compress a lot of stats across the board
Sadly that is unlikely, which means its instead better for them to try to raise a few Pokemon up every gen.
@@ExeloMinishthey can make pokemons slow and good tho.
Like, the difference between 120 speed and 20 speed are 100 points that can distributed between attack and bulk. The bugvest problem is that the insist on a 60-80 level of speed wich is a big waste of BST.
26:52 Wolfe "I won a regional with it" Glicke
the editing in this is incredible, your editor is goated on the clips
Mega evolution is the coolest but worst competitive feature... A team can only have one so you're naturally gonna go for the best and all the other ones will never be touched and become a waste of time. Really sad that such a cool feature is so badly designed.
Which was probably why the next battle mechanics introdued (Z-moves, Dynamax, Terastallization) are all general super moves that can be used by any and all Pokemon.
(Aside from the hero wolves, who can't Dynamax, but they have a signature attack related to the mechanic.)
14:53 "In comparison to other flying type mega evolutions" *shows mega charizard X*
Your Absol to Arceus story reminded me of spending an entire day catching all shapes of Unown in gen 2 because I thought you got some cool reward for it.
Turns out all you get is the ability to print in the Unown alphabet with the Gameboy Printer, which I never owned.
i do hope that even when incineroar stops being meta like 20 years from now that wolfe still throws up incineroar graphics in videos for people to comment about 2 minutes after a video releases.
frankly I don't think incin will ever stop being meta. it's a dark type neutral against fairies with intimidate, fake out, and multiple switching moves. you would need absurd levels of power creep that would probably necessitate significantly raising the BST floor before incin can become relatively frail enough for those qualities not to be extremely useful.
@@Pablo360able i'm sure eventually gamefreak will powercreep things enough to make it fall
@@Sizzyli doubted that
they love trolling wolfey about incineroar
i mean they buff it this generation
wolfey makes the competitive pokemon so relevant so i doubted that they will nerf it next gen
@@Pablo360ableincineroar mains after one close combat 🙀
@SonplaysMinEcraft Meinshao is only fighting type who can consistently kill Incin.
Im not sure why they didn't revamp Mega Evolution to be
"Pokémon with stats below 500 get buffed to 650" or something.
Sure that means some Pokémon get 145 stat points but like, that's just a little stronger than a Pseudo.
That way a bunch of bad Pokémon, get noticeable improvements. They gain so many stat points that it's hard *not* to be good.
They didn't care enough lol
@Mobtrapper-hq8is you have to be really careful with that though because if you aren't, you just end up with more mega rayquazas
The absol evolving into arceus thing resonates with me 😂 my brother was for some reason convinced that Spinda would evolve into Zangoose and that that was the only way to get one
23:10
What?!
How dare you slander The Wall!
No man on earth can make him fall!
No one can outstall the wall 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Except for literally any special attack lol
@@mattnic001famous last words before getting destroyed by Body press
@@selena3467
Not with Mega Aggron (BPress is Gen 8+)
@@zumberburg6527 Yeah I know. I meant if Mega Aggron ever makes a return
I think your discussion about how many megas would be good if they were a pokemon's new base form is what game freak learned from gen 6. Mega ampharos had to die so fluttermane could live...and kill everything else
Wolfeys next video: How I won this big tournament with Mega Beedril
29:59 YOU LIED, YOU SAID MY FAVORITE WASNT GOING TO BE ON THE LIST
He can only satisfy so many people
Valid placement for VGC, though it should be prefaced that mega beedrill is genuinely threatening in singles, and it gets great coverage in drill run, a ground type move that hits fire, rock, and steel type that it otherwise couldn't (although from my experience it still loses out to mega gengar due to its lower speed and being so frail). If you remove sucker punch users, it can very quickly sweep especially after fell stinger or swords dance.
@LucasLillie yeah you can't really argue it's placement when a single stray from rock tomb will likely 0KO... but in singles he's viable while not at all meta
@@KeelHeel"although from my experience it still loses out to Mega Gengar due to its lower Speed and being so frail"
Do you mean Mega Beedrill is still worse than Mega Gengar in singles? If so, you're absolutely right, but that has more to do with Mega Gengar's insanely broken ability, as Mega Beedrill is actually faster than Mega Gengar; it's Mega Alakazam, and I think Mega Aerodactyl, that are faster by like 5 points.
@notnath14 hmm, it's been a while, it's highly possible I didn't know about EVs in ORAS... but don't tell anyone that, that's confidential between us.
It's a general rule that fast strong glasscanon (especially if they can pivot) are strong in single where you only have one mon to worry about that has to take the hit or let someone else do, compared to doubles where you can play around it with protect.
It's a lot harder to justify constantly switching around after getting like one hit in double, with 4 mons and 2 targeting you.
@@KeelHeelif it was ORAS then it may also have been that who moves first in the turn was decided before mega evolution so on the turn they mega evolve Gengar would have been faster.
Hey, put respect on Voltorb Flip's name. That was my JAM for years. (Great video though, never even remembered half these megas!)
I'm a fan of mixed sweeper Mega Altaria, it has really good coverage. Return, EQ, Fire Blast, Roost/Cotton Guard/DDance. But I think I just wanted it to work because the pokemon looks so cool...
As a blastoise fan, it absolutely hurts to see it getting the short end of the stick while compared to venasuar and charizad
It’s not the mega that gets me mad, but the terrible hidden ability. Charizard gets a huge power buff in the sun. Venasaur doubles speed, and Blastoise…heals an insignificant amount of HP in the rain. How about increase D/SpD in the rain? That would play to his strengths while also keeping with the themes of the other trio. What a waste
I mean now Blastoise has shell smash so mega Blastoise could maybe get to do something?? But idk that defense drop may be an issue since it can't run white herb
Blastoise was decent in singles iirc so you can take that as a victory
@@InsertFunnyThingHere yeah mega blastoise is banned from natdex OU from how broken shell smash + mega is so it does have that going for it
I mean at the end of the day, stat wise it's basically a water meganium, so it shouldn't be too surprising.
It's still weird to me that they made Mega Beedrill but didn't make a Mega Butterfree to go with it.
I guess you could say they tried to make up for that with G-Max Butterfree?
@@bricecube320thank every being above that G-max Beedrill doesn't exist. Overlooking other G-max Pokemon's design conventions it would be a very small bee with a ginormous stinger reminiscent of an industrial drill, that's also a hive with smaller Beedrills tending to it
0:26 Mega Inceneroar confirmed?!
i come to his videos just to dislike every single one of them because of people like you
@@jake9107 You sound pleasant to be around
@@jake9107bro is incineroar
@picklejho4200 Incineroar doesn't even have a Mega yet.
GameFreak will probably make Mega Incineroar in the Legends game to play as an Offensive threat instead of Support allowing two different playstyles in a pokemon. They will probably be happy to see their Fav cat at his former prime usage rates.
Next Gen: "Let's bring back mega evolutions in a big way, but we some way of promoting it.." "Mega- Incineroar?"
Feels like the editing has gotten better. It was always good, but it's leveling up
23:04 MY BOY DODGED THE PODIUM! LET'S GO!
11:01 just makes me dislike fluttermane more
Mega evolutions were such a cool mechanic. But an absolute nightmare for competitive players
I still think it would have been better to just BE a full evolution.
It made competitive a lot more fun in my opinion. Another dimension to be concerned about without it completely changing the trajectory of the battle in one turn like tera does
if only some of the megas were stronger and some like mega Gengar (not Gengar) gets nerfed more
and they ruined the entire balancing with Primal Groudon/Kyogre and Mega Ray.
Zacian
Calyrex
Urshifu
Regieleki
Nope, Megas were balanced
Despite its excellence in singles, I'm going to guess Mega Beedrill.
It's just something that never works in a doubles format.
I SURE HOPE SOMEONE PICKS UP THAT PHONE
A big reason is because the power of beedril mega is the pivot with U-Turn and high attack, but in vgc that strategy is not good, not only because singles have longer battles, but vgc is "attack fastly with maximum power and win".
But is better in vgc than mega banette
@@Paulo-Gabriédenpivot strats work well in vgc, you just also have to do something on entry/ exit.
Incin has intimidate
Rillaboom has grassy terrain
Even Miraidon ran volt switch because it hits hard and can reset its own terrain
“Just” strong u turn isn’t enough.
Beedrill es mi pokemon favorito 😔
@@galaxystudios370 BECAUSE HE FUCKING CALLED IT!
I feel like Paradox Pokémon were Game Freak's attempt to give us "megas" without stones.. just a shame they based their ability to rely on holding an item again! 😂
Wolfey mentioning new megas coming to the next Legends games is basically willing Mega Kalosian Incineroar into existence.
4:09 catched me, love to all the editors
As always a solid upload. Wolfie never misses.
13:10 ah yes, the move "Sheer cold", the one that has 30 base power and doesnt have accuracy so it never misses, I remember that one!
Good catch =P
Interesting thing about mega alakazam is that it didn't get the +10 boost to sp.def in gen 6, it only got a bst boost of 90
Wait, as far as I know BASE Alakazam got +10 Sp. D. boost in Gen 7, so both gens give it +100 BST. I may be wrong though, just saying this info should be double checked
@ldmtag just double checked it, alakazam is consistently base 500 but Gen 6 mega zam is base 590 while Gen 7 base mega zam is base 600, atleast according to serebii
IronDefense + Body Press Mega Aggron with Autotomize/Rock Polish is gonna go crazy
14:54 “other flying type mega evolutions”
Mega Charizard X