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People doesn't know that palworld game mechanics came from craftopia that was out from 2020 way before pokemon had their own mechanics they are far too late lol.
@paxhumana2015 look up craftopia that's where their game mechanics came from. And not only that it came out in 2020 years before pokemon did their own open world game mechanics. Also palworld was ment to be released in 2021 when they have video's and game play of it but they postponed the release till 2024 to use unreal engine to improve the gaming graphics and other stuff which again proves that pokemon didn't have any way to prove that they took their own ideas and patent right because pocket pair had theirs out first before pokemon could do anything.
To me, it's hypocritical as f because Nintendo was on the other side of such bs lawsuit in the 80's and won because you can't patent something you can easilly replicate in the real world.
@jamielishbrook2384 idk lol maybe a giant ball opens, then a net comes out and and something like what u do when fishing and it reals them in lol, maybe it could work
I've read from Japanese responses and comments that Nintendo is allowed to make these patents on video game mechanics and gameplays because the company is highly respected and honored among them. And in Japan, Nintendo is also considered merciful and good when it willingly allows other game studios and developers around the world to use their intellectual property freely as long as they don't compete, step on Nintendo's toes, be disrespectful or try to sue first. And this is a lot about how society, culture, social hierarchy and atmosphere in Japan has become the way it is today. But in any case, I agree the current globalizing patent system is cery flawed and broken and needs a fix if not a complete overhaul it to patch the loopholes in order to bring it into the modern world. And this should involve all the countries of the world so that the new system can be better and more functionally universalized.
That's a shame if they are allowed to capitalize on loopholes in the Japanese legal system just because of the business they bring to the country. It shouldn't be surprising though since that's the casing pretty much every country if your business is big enough.
Nintendo may have won the hearts of the japanese but it will certainly did not win mine and I will make sure to push away everyone I know away from Nintendo. As a FOSS developer who has also contributed on several open source projects, one of the things I hate the most is definitely patented game mechanics.
@@oratankWhen did any other monster catching series offer them significant competition though? Yo-kai Watch did for a couple of years but it was so different that there was no loophole to sue them, but then Pokemon sure did take inspiration from it for the Sun and Moon era.
It's dumb because pocketpair made those mechanics first in craftopia in 2020. Palworld was announced in summer 2021 and they filed their patent in December 2021. So pocketpair thought they were safe because who would have thought to see if their own mechanics got patented by someone else months later. Nintendo knew about craftopia and palworld this was scummy on nintendo
Two thoughts: 1 - If Palworld applied for their patent first _then_ Nintendo applied for the same kind of thing later, Palworld may have a good argument that Nintendo can't "own" it. 2 - Regardless, the Poke Ball is still a recognizable, signature element of Pokemon as a whole, and which predates the one patent suspected so far (about throwing Poke Balls Legends Arceus style). But, given how even Pocketpair hasn't been informed of all the specific details yet, us armchair commenters are in even less position to make anything but snap impressions at this time. Pokemon _did not_ "invent" the genre of creature-collecting / monster-taming, and they _should not_ be allowed to selectively enforce exclusivity over something as broad as "player throwing a projectile to interact with a non-player entity", but Palworld's (also Craftopia's) method of capturing creatures _does_ appear to be derivative of Poke Balls specifically, which casts at least an appearance of potential IP infringement.
@@Stratelier if it's just any projectile than they will outright lose because of how broad that is. It's more specific most likely, and if I had to guess it would most likely be capture entities with spheres like objects and even that could be potentially fought against do to sphere like objects being an optimal throwing tool. That is pretty much the only thing I could see them successfully pulling off but the lawsuit is occurring in Japan so I'm not sure how it's going to turn out. I don't think Nintendo is targeting other monster gamers in general but I think palworld may have made them angry. With some of the tweets I've seen from pocketpair I wouldn't be surprised if they did something to piss Nintendo off. It would be funny if it was because pocketpair refused to put palworld on switch but I think it was because they have what is basically similar creatures to pokemon and it's popular. It's not even completely original, and it's obvious it's just different enough to be legally distinct.
@Stratelier Funny part about the PokeBalls…. Compare the normal PokeBalls to the UltraSeven balls from Ultraman in terms of design, color scheme, and how they function. You can also do the same thing with the Super Dimensional Balls from Doraemon, with the GreatBalls. Both of which used the concepts decades before Pokemon Red/Blue.. however since they were in the cartoons, anime, manga, and live action T.V series but not the games, but would still be able to use as a argument in court against Nintendo.
@@hosswik I checked the gadgets in Doraemon that were listed alphabetically, there is no mention of super dimensional balls. Also Pokemon predates red and blue as red and green (JPN). Ultra Man also took from gashapon and aren't balls and aren't used for catching monsters, so they are not the same in function, which is why Pokemon is pressing on the capture mechanic.
I hadn't even thought of this. The only (slight) difference is the Mega-Digivolve usually involves the tamer getting fused into the form (at least in the anime). Still agree with you
That is not how it works. Craftopia having the mechanic doesn't matter because they are not suing over Craftopia. Also having the mechanic in other games doesn't matter because the way patents are implemented in Japanese law. Legally speaking Palworld is probably going to lose and lose hard at that, at least according to some Japanese lawyers.
@imatiu even in Japan, you can't get a valid patent for something that was already made publicly available anywhere in the world before you filed. Every nation includes this novelty clause to avoid a situation where a product already on the market is retroactively sued for infringement despite being the first. Patents protect inventors. You can't claim to be the inventor of anything that is already public knowledge, just because the actual inventor wasn't greedy enough to file. Most Japanese gaming patents are invalid and unenforceable. Companies only file them to avoid wasting money fighting nuisance patent lawsuits from individuals maliciously filing patents in the hopes that the victim company will decide that settling out of court will be cheaper than fighting it. (Which it almost always is.)
@@myria2834 Which is fine since Pokemon's patent is fairly specific, it entails throwing an object to capture and miniaturize a creature, this object will have a percent base chance of succeding and make the creature a property of the player. This is specific enough to not overlap with any other system in other games, at least not any system that has presented a patent or that is publicly available.
@@imatiu For USA Patent Law. Nintendo actually would lose this Patent because it's not new, given Craftopia. Regardless if the Patent was signed off on today or tomorrow. But yes... Japanese Patent are nothing like our law.
@@imatiu Yes and no... At least under USA Patent Law. That is too generic and not specific enough to survive in Court. Not all USA Patents survive the Court after being approved by the Patent Office. As for Novelty?... It's not. Given Craftopia legally predates this Patent. Also, this Patent can be separated into 3 smaller patents, which in America, is also not going to survive in Court. As those Smaller Patents are too generic and not Novelty.
No patents like this shouldn't exsit. Sony has to back them to some level they are partners and most likely a good reason for nintendo going after them because of their partnership. Now it's crash bandicoot vs mario
Oh how I'd love for PlayStation to get a "Kirby Parody" series Me and some of my friends can't wait to yell "Then stop neglecting Kirby series in Super Smash Bro's then" and maybe PlayStation wouldn't take all your fans you can't make it any simpler for Nintendo.
@@jonadams2741 like some pink blob that instead of inhaling the enemies, it just jumps on them for them to go inside of its body and use their power. Nintendo can't patent a blob
@@BlahBlahBlahBlah69 Make it an iridescent black blob that transforms into things it runs into, that has enough resemblance to that sticky ball game, Mario's possession cap, Kirby, and Venom to raise eyebrows but nothing more.
I love Pokemon but I feel the series has been downhill for a while. The games have lost its quality and the anime has been shit ever since ash left. I think Nintendo and Pokemon Company is making a big mistake in suing Palworld for the wrong reasons
@@BigBlackBarret not really palworld has done pretty well for it's self the problem really relies on what they've discussed in the video peer jealously over competition.
@@Nintendofan781 I think they're agreeing with you they're saying Palworld did well and that Nintendo should be looking to it for inspiration to get better as a brand not sue them.
Quality you say they claim they cant put every pokemon new and past in the games cuz they claim they have to remake them then paste them all like ther doing now and reselling said pokemon as dlc and not to mention the graphics that's all blocky etc
I disagree the horizons ain't bad I think it's better than with Ash it's something new instead of Ash 24/7 every region for years on end also the graphics actually have improved compare the switch Pokemon games to the 3DS but not going to lie this day and age they definitely feel lack luster they're still following the same formula right now I'm enjoying Legends Arceus I personally feel like they should do something like that and expand on things like actual voice acting better graphics and performance I think with all their money they should make the switch 2 way more powerful or if people are going to complain about the price cuz it needs more power then they should make the Pokemon game on other platforms like PC PlayStation Xbox etc and make a downgraded version on the switch 2 and give it a longer development cycle and release lower development time Pokemon games in the meantime for the big mainline game people will see a massive improvement and take notice
a good fan game which isn't even disrupting their sales. Oh they're also a$$holes for shutting down many Smash tournaments years back when they're the reason why Smash is even popular to begin with. @@NitwitsWorld
@@NitwitsWorld It being a fan game makes it even worse honestly, imagine hating your fan base so much you shut down fan projects, and then can’t even give said fans a good game in over a decade. Nintendo hates fun, and its fans, they can go kick rocks.
@@BornofanidlemindExactly. They threw a fit over a free game that wasn't canon or sold and they were so afraid that free game would undercut their sales that they attacked it legally.
To me it spits in the face of the entire industry. It all goes back to Space Invaders, the first arcade space shooter. People loved Space Invaders. Did Taito patent the concept and not allow other companies to make their own? Nope. That's why we got Galaxian, Galaga, eventually R-Type, Gradius, Parodius, Ikaruga, Star Fox, etc etc. Now tell me, what games have more in common? Space Invaders and Galaxian? Or Pokemon and Palworld. What about DOOM Clones? Build engine games? How many games copied Ubisoft open world design? In Breath of the wild, you climb towers to unlock the map. Hm... sounds like Assassin's Creed and Far Cry 3. But when did Ubisoft get petty enough to try to sue or bully their copy cats?
The first "Monster Taming" game was "Megami Tensei," the first SMT game, in 1986 ten years before Pokemon, there was also Dragon Quest 5 from 1994, Two years before Pokemon
There's a thing called a Parent Patent so technically they can link it to a patent they did in like 2021 meaning patents granted in 2024 would be considered being grated in 2021 >_>
@@ViroVeteruscy There is a other game called crafttopia with the same mechanics from 2020 that is from pocket pair, so they still used it before the parent patent. xD
@@ViroVeteruscy Pocketpair made craftopia. which uses the game mechanics Palworld uses. But Craftopia released on 2020. before that patent was filed. and Nintnedo is in violation of Honor Code.
There are many theories. But according to one, the reason may have been, or at least triggered by, the recent partnership between PocketPair and Sony to productize and commercialize Palword into toys, cards, animation, movies and manga, for example. And their deal also includes a plan to make PlayStation a new home console for Palword and its future sequels that Nintendo may not have been happy about but felt this as a threat
I could be wrong but even if they win . They can’t enforce this worldwide. This would most likely only a a Japan thing. If they are really partnering with Sony , I expect Sony to help them in this lawsuit . They are just as powerful in Japan as Nintendo , if not more . As gamer though you hate to see it . This little team made a better game than any Pokémon I played probably at least in the last 10 years . Nintendo is always doing the the bare minimum with the Pokémon IP and sometimes even less than that .
I don't see how this is anything but taking advantage of the law. In the east, they think of intellectual property in a completely different way than we do in the west. That's mostly because, when westerners demanded legal protections for their processes, people in Japan thought they were nuts. The idea simply didn't exist over there and they didn't have any frame of reference for it. What they came up with, was this idea that intellectual property is like a child. And it is the creator of that intellectual property's duty as the "parent" to see that that idea grows the right way. What's happened since then, has been more like a divorce where one parent tries to take the kid from the other to spite them.
@Kratos7560 pocketpair had their game mechanics in craftopia and use that game mechanics in palworld. They had all this approved year's back way before pokemon did their own patent right. Nintendo should give up
I don’t care what the hard core fans say. “Oh no! They copied the ball throwing mechanic. Oh no the made monsters similar pokemon even though dragon quest is original. Blah blah blah” Palworld is a fresh new start and I love the game. Nintendo needs to stop and focus on game instead of patent crap
"For the period from 2014 to 2021, approximately 30 percent of patent infringement cases that came before the Tokyo District Court and Osaka District Court were settled. Of the remainder, 21 percent had the claim upheld, 44 percent were dismissed, 2 percent were dismissed without prejudice, and 2 percent upheld confirmation of the nonexistence of obligation. In 2021, the average duration of an IP case handled by the Tokyo District Court or Osaka District Court (from commencement to a final decision) was 15.2 months." Lets hope PalWorld suit falls in the 48% of cases that are dismissed!
I hope your Right. NINTENDOS team of lawyers according to official records have never lost and in a recent case. While the Patent Infringement claim didn't stick... NIntendo Still strong armed them into settling out of court... massive fines, and forcing them To pay more in Licensing fees... this isn't about winning... It Nintendo trying show a display of Force that they will maintain the Monopoly over this genre and they will kill any company that thinks or acts otherwise.
Companies are allowed to protect their intellectual property like brands, worlds, stories and character designs. That's totally fine by me, but it should NOT be allowed to patent basic game mechanics like throwing a ball to capture a monster. Games have always looked for inspiration in other genres, games, the real world, science, etc. That's how some of the best games we have today came to be and Pokemon is no exception as explained in the video. It just comes of as very malicious ans scummy to sue when they feel threatened by another companies success
The game you're thinking about for mega evolutions is digimon. Each digimon evolution has a name and most of them usually are temporary. And it's more on the side of westerners i guess cause jp and en dub had a bit of switch up between those evolutions
Patenting game mechanics is an absurd thing to allow. There are copyright and other protections against plagiarism that suffice. Being able to legally prevent anyone from making games that even *play similarly* to yours is OBVIOUSLY stifling of competition and creativity both, contributing to monopolistic behaviour. Big companies with lots of patents can basically just pick and choose which 'competitors' are allowed to operate. It'd be like letting artists patent art styles, record companies patent chord progressions...
Funnily enough, what they're referring to with this whole patent thing is probably from Pokemon Legends Arceus. Which is depressingly sad because LA was the best thing to come out of Pokemon in the past 10 years since X/Y. And it's upsetting to be that they're now using their LA Patents to stifle competition. I hope, if they win, Nintendo is never able to make another game again because of patent law.
Also Nintendo is a hypocrite because they promoted crime since gambling is illegal in Japan when they sold their playing cards ro Yakuza. I feel like the copyright extreme is a way for Nintendo (and also Disney who took old stories and made adaptations while tamering with copyright) to avoid accountability and to cover it up
A Sony v. Nintendo battle just because Nintendo didn't like Palworld stealing the spotlight would be insane. I would spend my entire life savings to watch that
Thats like WB patenting the nemesis system in shadow of mordor somthing cool that gets locked away ..... nintendo just has to be bullys right before their next system. This just leaves a bad taste
The Game Boy Advance was when Gamefreak ran out of excuses for not giving all the monsters voice actors. The Nintendo DS, that is, a generation later, was when they ran out of excuses for not putting in full sound.
Z-Moves being inspired by Yokai Watch and Mega Evolutions being inspired by Digimon are kinda a huge deal for someone who doesn't want people making things inspired by Pokemon
I love pokemon, but im hoping they lose the battle so it kinda puts them back into a "we gotta do better state". I get alot ofbthe problems were reported to be the stakeholders, financiers, and the parent company's durective in regards to many of SV's problems. Pokemon really does need to do better in general and not just keep releasing suboar games and content. I m still annoyed at them about the whole national dex thing and then a few patches after that they have an "uneckected effect" of wiping players entire homes content..
A trademark isn't a patent. If you don't defend your trademark then you will lose it. For instance, the name Pokemon is a trademark. That's why Pokemon Uranium (and other fan games) are cracked down on so hard, because if Nintendo and the Pokemon Company don't defend that trademark, then everyone will be able to call their game "Pokemon". A patent on the other hand doesn't have to be defended. You can allow others to use it, or turn a blind eye, or come after people who use it... all at your discretion. For as long as you hold the patent, it's yours. And to answer your question... no. Game mechanics absolutely should not be able to be patented.
Shin Megami Tensei has been around long before Pokemon where you have a "mon" team, too. Weirdly enough, Palworld and Eternal Darkness are in the same boat to me; Nintendo still has a hold on the "Sanity Meter" in that game as far as I know. 😭
Despite me liking Pokèmon, I really hope that Pokémon lose the lawsuit or else the damage to other monster franchises like Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Neopets, Yo-Kai Watch, Palworld, Bakugan, Monster Hunter, TemTem, Chaotic, or Moshi Monsters is permanent. People needs to realize that Pokèmon doesn't own the word "monster taming genre". Pokèmon needs to have some friendly competition.
Maybe, but pal world? That is another can of worms. And the issue is Nintendo trying to kill the game. Certainly they want to mess up Pocket pair too if they can. But murdering pal world due to patents and letting pocket pair "survive" would still be a craptastic result still.
@@Aldenfenris I don't see the problem with Palworld either. There's no way PP will kill their golden goose over a legal issue. Most likely they would have to pay a few millions and tweak the mechanics a little bit.
@@stormgalaxypegasus It heavily depends on what patents are in question and how willing nintendo is to just let go with a 'ok, pay this fine, and pay us royalties'. what if nintendo wins, decides 'nope we never gave you permission for that, and you can't use it' and they have to remove the mount mechanics, or the capture or whatever inane mechanic the patents in litigation are?. Also, I am sure it will be a ridiculous number of money, because 'projections of profits and lost profits and all kind of legal mumbo jumbo that means 'we pulled this number out of our rear' as damages . And then try to figure some bizarre alternate or different systems that... completely change some of the main appeal of the game? People act like it is as simple as 'oh, right, we just change the sphere for a square!' and that will work!. But I worry it most likely is far from that easy. (if it is? wonderful, but I just worry on the 'what if it isn't' scenario)
@Aldenfenris here's a thing pocketpair made a game called Craftopia that used the same game mechanics they put on palworld which gives them the patent right. Craftopia came out in 2020 years before pokemon did their own game mechanics. Nintendo is doing is wrong here
Not just Dragon Quest though they did rip a lot of game mechanics not just designs from Dragon Quest… They also took “inspirations” from Ultraman, Megami Tensei, Godzilla, and Doraemon. Everyone though usually just focuses on the monsters and some mechanics, if you want to get to the most glaring example look at the PokeBalls. Look up how the PokeBalls designs and how they function compared to the Ultraseven balls from Ultraman (the normal Pokeballs) and/or the Super Dimensional Balls from Doraemon (GreatBalls.)
Pokemon and Palworld Could have been the Friendly Rivalry the industry needed to step up their games and really improve their product... instead they choose to be Team Rocket and try to take everything from people... and stomp out anything it sees as competition.... they are Horrible... I loved Pokemon since the Red/blue/Yellow/Green Days... but this Malicious attack on Palword... no.. they lost my love and adoration... At the end of the day, winning or losing the court case doesn't matter. This is a show of force... its Mind Control/Manipulation... they will maintain their Monopoly over this Genre and they bleed any company that attempts to challenge them to death to maintain it. Their Broad Patent strokes are proof of that...
Nintendo sees Palword as their biggest threat, especially since Sony has now partnered with Pocket Pair and planning on expanding the Palword universe to media and merchandise.
If the patent is only enforceable in Japan then wouldn’t this only affect the Japanese market? Definitely pretty petty from Nintendo . All because they been upstaged by this little developer.
@@Nicky-zz8np I doubt that it would. It wouldn’t be enforceable in Western markets which is the biggest market by far. Plus, keep in mind games and movies do edit their content for release in certain markets. It’s going to take many years for this to play out. They could either edit the game specifically for the Japanese market or take the game out of the Japanese market altogether if it’s only a small fraction of the sales.
I played Arceus, it's a good game but i would understand if you like Palworld more. Usually pokémon fans are big Monster Hunter fans as well and Palworld is a weird mix of everything.
LOL no kidding at least PlayStation doesn't contradict themselves. Nintendo doesn't want competition but constantly neglects their main Ip's to, I honestly wish another company would make a super successful parody of Kirby so Nintendo can for once make smarter marketing moves which it's going to happen but will Nintendo change is the question.
Get Palworld. I played arceus and honestly palword's open world is better. Sure you might need to craft items to mount flying/water mounts for some stuff but that's not needed plus you're not forced to stay in one area for 5 hours because the story doesn't allow you to go there or "YoU'rE rAnK iS tOo lOw tO pRoGrEsS!". But you might get reality checked by a boss pal or a random level 40 pal because you accidentally angered it. Plus shinies (Or lucky pals) have actual use in palworld. Sure they are just bigger and make noise unlike normal pals (These are not alphas, alphas are basically boss battles!) but they give you a unique trait which you can pass through breeding called "Lucky" which gives +15% Work Speed and +15% Attack for the pal that has it. And you can breed any species together, that includes legendaries, you just need a male and female pal + some cake and wait until you get an egg. There's also a breeding calculator so you can check which pals come from which parent combinations so you can look and breed for the pal that you want, even you can get one of the better Pals to work for your base, Anubis which is normally a level 40 boss iirc.
Sony and Microsoft both have invested in Palworld, it was a game pass exclusive for a long time and So y is wanting to produce an anime, so I wonder what's gonna happen with the situation involving them
I think this isn't about Patents, this is about fear and GameFreak. Scarlet/Violet are abysmally designed in optimization, this team has struggled with this yet were unable to get a time extension. Normally teams would get help or get a time extension (Tears of the Kingdom) which implies Nintendo or The Pokemon Company are responsible for rushing and declining quality while refusing to offer funding. GameFreak would likely face repercussions for this and Nintendo would hire or replace them with better Devs, which in turn means the now jobless ex-employees would have incentive to speak out against Nintendo. Imagine this: "If I was respectful and kept working I'd get fired, if I tried to save the series from this and show children and customers respect I'd get fired." If this kind of thing came to light it could destroy Nintendo's reputation with its own people.
Rotom was cool until Gen 6, poor bastard was inbred into every device it shouldn't be in. I still love Rotom as a species, but _fuck_ the Dex and Phones.
This is why I only tell people to play the Gen 1 through Gen 6 games. Outside of Rescue Team DX, every Pokemon game from Sun and Moon onwards ranges from mid to terrible.
Considering Palworld just recently launched on PS5, obviously Nintendo is in the same position as Pocket Pair, fighting an uphill battle. Nintendo has managed to one-up Sony in consoles twice and has almost always one-upped Sony in games, but considering Sony managed to crush the N64, the GameCube and the Wii U, obviously Sony is going to give Nintendo some trouble considering how much money Palworld will make in sales.
21:00 the thing is here... (Not that I am dismissing the argument!!) but, who cares? Nintendo has enough money, goodwill and brand recognition that this "hit to their rep" is a drop in the bucket. People will still line up around the block for their new pokemon game, doubly so if there's no competition. People didn't much like the new Zelda game, yet bought part 2 in DROVES. The number of people who stop buying Nintendo IPs won't even *register* with Nintendo. As far as they're concerned, this has ONLY upsides, and the only way we can convince them otherwise is not to buy their games. .... which we won't do. Love him or hate him, Asmongold was right - "Every outrage, boycott and promise never to buy another game is one, three-minute trailer away from being over." What nintendo is doing is SCUM of the highest order, but when it comes down to numbers and brass tacks, they stand only to gain from this - and both their lawyers and their PR reps know this.
Am sorry but it isn't a Time thing with Gamefreak anymore, they haven't even figured out 3D game development on a console fully and it shows in their games. Can they make something fun and enjoyable yes, will it be new and innovative, possibly, will it look great? No. Ever since Gamefreak hit the Switch their games have had a lack in quality that isn't just a product of time constraints, if anything it's become harder for them to hide just how much they were winging it with their game designs on the Gameboy and DS. Hackers have picked apart thei games and have seen how out dated their development techniques are and how wasteful they are with Memory. Gens 1-5 had one man on the team that actually knew his shit and knew how to compress files, he was the sole reason gen 2 had two regions. After gen 5 he left and eventually passed away. My hot take is Gamefreak needs to clean house and hire people that know what they're doing and stop being stubborn about doing it the way they've always done things. Gen 9 was enjoyable but it had a vast amount of room for much needed improvement and not just the bugs. People will say graphics don't matter, but the reality is they do to some degree and for those that say they don't, you've just admitted you'd play the game whether it looked like garbage or mind blowingly amazing. Ultimately Gamefreak is being kept alive today because of their fluke with pokemon, without Pokemon they'd have faded away in this industry a long time ago. And now they're hiding behind Nintendo who is just as guilty of not enforcing quality control on Gamefreak, because it's making their system look bad.
Minor correction, but Iwata was involved with the Gen 6 games as well, mainly XY, ORAS, and PSMD. You're right though that Iwata leaving before Gen 6 prematurely ended is when Pokemon became a bad franchise.
And u should not forget that Gachapon used to be to have Insects in them. (They are basicly Pokeballs) xD And why they used insects back then in Gachapon? Because kids in Japan catch bugs and let them fight each other, oh wait its basicly POKEMON in RL before pokemon existed. xD
Its clearly bullying, they didn't say anything regarding the gameplay during Palworld's release, they only cared about the design of the monsters/creatures at that time, but because they couldn't sue them over Pals design they decided to switch to gameplay mechanics(which they post many of them but they still didn't know which one to use against Pocket Pair), so far most people think that its "throwing an item(they didn't mention if its a ball or not) to capture monsters" which is something most game are using as part of their gameplay.
Not to mention the creator of dragon ball Z also had a part in Pokemon and a few games game like dragon quest so that makes sense that it looks similar to Pokemon but Nintendo was completely fine with that. Plus they been many times in the past where Nintendo would rush to develop a game to release over holidays.
Id argue pokemon has been trash since gen 6. Ever since i learned that they kill fan projects i stopped sypporting nintendo. 20 years i have sailed the high seas and I'll continue to do so. My kids will be taught to hate nintendo for generations to come.
Artist inspire each other all the time and that’s perfectly fine. The design comparisons between Pokemon and Dragon Quest are there but most are different enough or in the case of Dragonite he’s more round while the DQ example uses more sharp edges. Also while Gyarados is inspired by the Azure Dragon it’s also a reference to the tale of the Koi that climbed a waterfall and became a dragon. I personally didn’t want Nintendo to go after Palworld and instead use it as inspiration to improve. I tried Palworld and couldn’t get into it. P.S. I highly recommend the Digimon Cyber Sleuth games and Digimon Survive.
I really want palworld to win this lawsuit. The news that Sony might be in palworld corner, might give palworld a fighting chance. But understand Sony is just a platform for them to sell the game on like Steam, Sony might not get involved with the court case. In saying that. it is kind of strange Sony let palworld release an early Access game on a platform that only features fully release games.
I saw a lot Western/American commenters saying racist stuff against Japanese people and the country of Japan just because of this Palworld drama. This is so ridiculous and people should be ashamed. It's just a game that copied a other game and people get emotional over that and make it look bigger than this whole lawsuit is. It doesn't affect the whole gaming industry. Ironically Palworld is Japanese too. Wtf.
Most stuff I’ve been hearing is that these patents, that are assumed to be the ones that are being used in the lawsuit, were made for Legends Arceus. Like there’s one for the mount system (I believe for the transition between Run, Fly, Swim). Nintendo likes to patent a lot of nitpicky things for their games. I still find the whole situation extremely stupid though. (I only basically heard about the whole situation fully like yesterday so correct me if I’m wrong).
But palworld is also made in Japan so they would be hurting the money flow that is also coming to Japan so why would they sue them? But still I don't support Nintendo suing palworld over this and I hope palworld wins in court.
Patents and IP laws are designed to prevent competition so that companies can get rich for no effort by simply being the only people alowed to provide that thing. Stifling inovation is thus kinda the point of having IP laws at all.
I’m Japanese and I’ve been reading an ex-designer of Palworld talking on X about their experiences in the company, and I really can’t defend Palworld….the CEO harassing the designers by forcing them to mimic Pokémon, even if they refused. The company even changed the designer’s monster designs so they’ll look more like Pokémon. The designer quit the job and is struggling from PTSD
Everyone palworld mechanics came from craftopia that was out in 2020 way before pokemon had their game mechanics out in 2022 lol this lawsuit is stupid
Yes well if i remember right dragon quest is a Nintendo property so Pokémon copying other Nintendo games is probably considered okay because they both belong to the same parent company although i do agree that this patent of essentially ideas that can be implemented in games is dumb the capturing mechanics in Pokémon shouldn't be able to be patented
I hate these systems that encourage video game giants to snuff out indie game competition. Imagine if FromSoft patented the Souls-like genre, how many games would have died before they could see the light? Side note: the lv71 Vaporeon using hydro pump on the lv5 Houndour was so cruel lol. Just have it walk beside you and auto-battle if you needed the materials 🤣
Don't forget, Palworld is on Xbox as well, so Microsoft has skin in this game too. With M$ and Sony money backing them, Pocket Pair coukd fight this litigation for months and years on end.
I do this with every game and company, and you can too. When game companys try shitty tactics i dont buy thier games. I promise it works, and the more people that do this the better it works. Im not saying you have to drop pokemon forever, but when the next game comes out, if we all dont buy it the day it comes out, they will absolutely notice. Who am i kidding though, the pokemon fans i know are the kind of gamer that buys both versions on release day and the 3rd "special" version on that ones release as well.
Tbh, I feel like a good portion of the Japanese market are biased for Nintendo. There have been plenty of times where Nintendo has broken the "honor code" but ppl look past it since they make "good" games. It's just an excuse to justify Nintendo's gatekeeping.
Its nintendo that is sueing bringing a long pokemon , not like pokemon company sueing palworld themselves. Also dragon quest 2 probably are closely related to nintendo as well so no sueing between them 🤣
Far from hypocritical, it's just a game of Who Came First mechanics wise and more. And like it or hate it alike truth of the matter is Palworld build there game based on Pokémon mechanics. You know that borrowing someone else works. Rather, you made it improved or not. You still took that work and made it your own when it isn't. Palworld is getting what's given for taking someone else work simple as that.
@paxhumana2015 exactly what Pokémon game in particular? Do you believe Netendo Copyed out of Palworld? I'm most curious. The First Pokémon open world was Sword/Sheild back in 2019 oldest wise and lastly Scarlett/Violet/ Legends both in 2022 Palworld was in 2024.... heres a Fun Fact on who came first and copy. Pocket pair company Is a Business that Startred in April of 2015. The Netendo Company was in 1889 oh and the Pokémon Company was in 1998. So yeah might want to check that whole Pokémon copied from Palworld stick because the evidence is plan as Day and it's out there for all to see hardly need a legal degree to know who's on the wrong rather you like it or not. And Palworld/Pocket Pair are in the legal Wrong.
5:22 I believe Atari did something similar with Crystal Castles, way back in the 80's. When Bently Bear walked behind another object, you could still see his feet. I'd have to double check to be sure.
Along with how different the franchises are, you have to also remember Nintendo and Bandai have a very close working relationship. There's no point in burning bridges. Palworld is off on its own island though with no relationship with Nintendo.
I do hope Sony does back Pocket Pair in this engagement, as much as I enjoy Nintendo's game franchises, they are getting too cocky as of late with all these bans on fun from fan games just wanting to spread the joy they had for pokemon or mario and what not, to now trying to screw over palworld with a stupid lawsuit. Get your shit together Nintendo.
lol imagine if Call of duty sues other companies for making games that you can shoot each other in lol so dumb.i love pokemon and i been playing since red and blue and i thought palworld was cool played it but i guess pokemon scared of competition lol
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I went to Monster Rancher over Pokemon.
People doesn't know that palworld game mechanics came from craftopia that was out from 2020 way before pokemon had their own mechanics they are far too late lol.
@paxhumana2015 look up craftopia that's where their game mechanics came from. And not only that it came out in 2020 years before pokemon did their own open world game mechanics. Also palworld was ment to be released in 2021 when they have video's and game play of it but they postponed the release till 2024 to use unreal engine to improve the gaming graphics and other stuff which again proves that pokemon didn't have any way to prove that they took their own ideas and patent right because pocket pair had theirs out first before pokemon could do anything.
PoketPair should move to USA.
Palword could show this selectiveness in court.
To me, it's hypocritical as f because Nintendo was on the other side of such bs lawsuit in the 80's and won because you can't patent something you can easilly replicate in the real world.
yep and now they are being the villains
Interesting, when that happened?
How the heck you gonna throw a ball at a monster and have the monster get captured in the ball irl?
@jamielishbrook2384 idk lol maybe a giant ball opens, then a net comes out and and something like what u do when fishing and it reals them in lol, maybe it could work
@@kingkobra5063 ok... But where the hay you finding a real monster.
I've read from Japanese responses and comments that Nintendo is allowed to make these patents on video game mechanics and gameplays because the company is highly respected and honored among them. And in Japan, Nintendo is also considered merciful and good when it willingly allows other game studios and developers around the world to use their intellectual property freely as long as they don't compete, step on Nintendo's toes, be disrespectful or try to sue first. And this is a lot about how society, culture, social hierarchy and atmosphere in Japan has become the way it is today.
But in any case, I agree the current globalizing patent system is cery flawed and broken and needs a fix if not a complete overhaul it to patch the loopholes in order to bring it into the modern world. And this should involve all the countries of the world so that the new system can be better and more functionally universalized.
That's a shame if they are allowed to capitalize on loopholes in the Japanese legal system just because of the business they bring to the country. It shouldn't be surprising though since that's the casing pretty much every country if your business is big enough.
they aren't allowed anything they knew it is for what is it that's why pokemon never have any problem with other monster catcher series
Nintendo may have won the hearts of the japanese but it will certainly did not win mine and I will make sure to push away everyone I know away from Nintendo. As a FOSS developer who has also contributed on several open source projects, one of the things I hate the most is definitely patented game mechanics.
@@oratankWhen did any other monster catching series offer them significant competition though? Yo-kai Watch did for a couple of years but it was so different that there was no loophole to sue them, but then Pokemon sure did take inspiration from it for the Sun and Moon era.
"merciful and good" pah!
It's dumb because pocketpair made those mechanics first in craftopia in 2020. Palworld was announced in summer 2021 and they filed their patent in December 2021. So pocketpair thought they were safe because who would have thought to see if their own mechanics got patented by someone else months later.
Nintendo knew about craftopia and palworld this was scummy on nintendo
Announced and shown a game demo in a japanese indie expo in 2021 as well, way before December
Two thoughts:
1 - If Palworld applied for their patent first _then_ Nintendo applied for the same kind of thing later, Palworld may have a good argument that Nintendo can't "own" it.
2 - Regardless, the Poke Ball is still a recognizable, signature element of Pokemon as a whole, and which predates the one patent suspected so far (about throwing Poke Balls Legends Arceus style).
But, given how even Pocketpair hasn't been informed of all the specific details yet, us armchair commenters are in even less position to make anything but snap impressions at this time. Pokemon _did not_ "invent" the genre of creature-collecting / monster-taming, and they _should not_ be allowed to selectively enforce exclusivity over something as broad as "player throwing a projectile to interact with a non-player entity", but Palworld's (also Craftopia's) method of capturing creatures _does_ appear to be derivative of Poke Balls specifically, which casts at least an appearance of potential IP infringement.
@@Stratelier if it's just any projectile than they will outright lose because of how broad that is. It's more specific most likely, and if I had to guess it would most likely be capture entities with spheres like objects and even that could be potentially fought against do to sphere like objects being an optimal throwing tool. That is pretty much the only thing I could see them successfully pulling off but the lawsuit is occurring in Japan so I'm not sure how it's going to turn out. I don't think Nintendo is targeting other monster gamers in general but I think palworld may have made them angry. With some of the tweets I've seen from pocketpair I wouldn't be surprised if they did something to piss Nintendo off. It would be funny if it was because pocketpair refused to put palworld on switch but I think it was because they have what is basically similar creatures to pokemon and it's popular. It's not even completely original, and it's obvious it's just different enough to be legally distinct.
@Stratelier Funny part about the PokeBalls…. Compare the normal PokeBalls to the UltraSeven balls from Ultraman in terms of design, color scheme, and how they function.
You can also do the same thing with the Super Dimensional Balls from Doraemon, with the GreatBalls.
Both of which used the concepts decades before Pokemon Red/Blue.. however since they were in the cartoons, anime, manga, and live action T.V series but not the games, but would still be able to use as a argument in court against Nintendo.
@@hosswik I checked the gadgets in Doraemon that were listed alphabetically, there is no mention of super dimensional balls. Also Pokemon predates red and blue as red and green (JPN). Ultra Man also took from gashapon and aren't balls and aren't used for catching monsters, so they are not the same in function, which is why Pokemon is pressing on the capture mechanic.
Mega evolution is literally a Digimon thing and works as it does in Digimon
I hadn't even thought of this. The only (slight) difference is the Mega-Digivolve usually involves the tamer getting fused into the form (at least in the anime). Still agree with you
@@WitchCecelia That was only a thing in Tamers, a single season of like, 9
Just fyi Craftopia existed before Legends Arceus. So the throwing and mounting mechanic they are trying to patern doesn't even really belong to them.
That is not how it works.
Craftopia having the mechanic doesn't matter because they are not suing over Craftopia. Also having the mechanic in other games doesn't matter because the way patents are implemented in Japanese law.
Legally speaking Palworld is probably going to lose and lose hard at that, at least according to some Japanese lawyers.
@imatiu even in Japan, you can't get a valid patent for something that was already made publicly available anywhere in the world before you filed. Every nation includes this novelty clause to avoid a situation where a product already on the market is retroactively sued for infringement despite being the first.
Patents protect inventors. You can't claim to be the inventor of anything that is already public knowledge, just because the actual inventor wasn't greedy enough to file.
Most Japanese gaming patents are invalid and unenforceable. Companies only file them to avoid wasting money fighting nuisance patent lawsuits from individuals maliciously filing patents in the hopes that the victim company will decide that settling out of court will be cheaper than fighting it. (Which it almost always is.)
@@myria2834 Which is fine since Pokemon's patent is fairly specific, it entails throwing an object to capture and miniaturize a creature, this object will have a percent base chance of succeding and make the creature a property of the player.
This is specific enough to not overlap with any other system in other games, at least not any system that has presented a patent or that is publicly available.
@@imatiu
For USA Patent Law. Nintendo actually would lose this Patent because it's not new, given Craftopia. Regardless if the Patent was signed off on today or tomorrow.
But yes... Japanese Patent are nothing like our law.
@@imatiu
Yes and no... At least under USA Patent Law. That is too generic and not specific enough to survive in Court. Not all USA Patents survive the Court after being approved by the Patent Office.
As for Novelty?... It's not. Given Craftopia legally predates this Patent.
Also, this Patent can be separated into 3 smaller patents, which in America, is also not going to survive in Court. As those Smaller Patents are too generic and not Novelty.
No patents like this shouldn't exsit.
Sony has to back them to some level they are partners and most likely a good reason for nintendo going after them because of their partnership.
Now it's crash bandicoot vs mario
Oh how I'd love for PlayStation to get a "Kirby Parody" series Me and some of my friends can't wait to yell "Then stop neglecting Kirby series in Super Smash Bro's then" and maybe PlayStation wouldn't take all your fans you can't make it any simpler for Nintendo.
@@jonadams2741 like some pink blob that instead of inhaling the enemies, it just jumps on them for them to go inside of its body and use their power. Nintendo can't patent a blob
@@BlahBlahBlahBlah69 They'll try but it will still be funny to watch lol. With the way they are acting for Palworld I would never hold it pass them.
@@BlahBlahBlahBlah69 Make it an iridescent black blob that transforms into things it runs into, that has enough resemblance to that sticky ball game, Mario's possession cap, Kirby, and Venom to raise eyebrows but nothing more.
I love Pokemon but I feel the series has been downhill for a while. The games have lost its quality and the anime has been shit ever since ash left. I think Nintendo and Pokemon Company is making a big mistake in suing Palworld for the wrong reasons
Agreed on that. Pokemon is awesome but it should take Palworld as a kick in the pants to improve not play victim.
@@BigBlackBarret not really palworld has done pretty well for it's self the problem really relies on what they've discussed in the video peer jealously over competition.
@@Nintendofan781 I think they're agreeing with you they're saying Palworld did well and that Nintendo should be looking to it for inspiration to get better as a brand not sue them.
Quality you say they claim they cant put every pokemon new and past in the games cuz they claim they have to remake them then paste them all like ther doing now and reselling said pokemon as dlc and not to mention the graphics that's all blocky etc
I disagree the horizons ain't bad I think it's better than with Ash it's something new instead of Ash 24/7 every region for years on end also the graphics actually have improved compare the switch Pokemon games to the 3DS but not going to lie this day and age they definitely feel lack luster they're still following the same formula right now I'm enjoying Legends Arceus I personally feel like they should do something like that and expand on things like actual voice acting better graphics and performance I think with all their money they should make the switch 2 way more powerful or if people are going to complain about the price cuz it needs more power then they should make the Pokemon game on other platforms like PC PlayStation Xbox etc and make a downgraded version on the switch 2 and give it a longer development cycle and release lower development time Pokemon games in the meantime for the big mainline game people will see a massive improvement and take notice
Nintendo really did not want to have competition in this genre I guess
@@connieliquorson4368 because they want it to be their only special thing. They don’t care about their IP becoming fun as long as they monopolize it.
I lost any sympathy for Pokemon and Nintendo when they went after Pokemon Uranium.
That was a fan game, my dude. Not a good comparison.
a good fan game which isn't even disrupting their sales. Oh they're also a$$holes for shutting down many Smash tournaments years back when they're the reason why Smash is even popular to begin with. @@NitwitsWorld
@@dissidius13 Nintendo is evil. They work for the Yakuza and they still do today
@@NitwitsWorld It being a fan game makes it even worse honestly, imagine hating your fan base so much you shut down fan projects, and then can’t even give said fans a good game in over a decade. Nintendo hates fun, and its fans, they can go kick rocks.
@@BornofanidlemindExactly. They threw a fit over a free game that wasn't canon or sold and they were so afraid that free game would undercut their sales that they attacked it legally.
To me it spits in the face of the entire industry. It all goes back to Space Invaders, the first arcade space shooter. People loved Space Invaders. Did Taito patent the concept and not allow other companies to make their own? Nope. That's why we got Galaxian, Galaga, eventually R-Type, Gradius, Parodius, Ikaruga, Star Fox, etc etc. Now tell me, what games have more in common? Space Invaders and Galaxian? Or Pokemon and Palworld. What about DOOM Clones? Build engine games? How many games copied Ubisoft open world design? In Breath of the wild, you climb towers to unlock the map. Hm... sounds like Assassin's Creed and Far Cry 3. But when did Ubisoft get petty enough to try to sue or bully their copy cats?
@@paxhumana2015 that's what I don't get. ID software hasn't gone out of business. What's Nintendo so scared of
I can’t believe how anti-balling this move is from Nintendo. They are certainly not winning an MVP award from me. 🏀
The first "Monster Taming" game was "Megami Tensei," the first SMT game, in 1986 ten years before Pokemon, there was also Dragon Quest 5 from 1994, Two years before Pokemon
And Nintendo filed patents AFTER Palworld was released.
There's a thing called a Parent Patent so technically they can link it to a patent they did in like 2021 meaning patents granted in 2024 would be considered being grated in 2021 >_>
@@ViroVeteruscy There is a other game called crafttopia with the same mechanics from 2020 that is from pocket pair, so they still used it before the parent patent. xD
@@ViroVeteruscy Pocketpair made craftopia. which uses the game mechanics Palworld uses. But Craftopia released on 2020. before that patent was filed. and Nintnedo is in violation of Honor Code.
@@circledude2362 does Japan have honor code?
@@delta5287 this is to stop trolls from abusing Patents.
Yeah I really like Pokemon but it's pretty obvious why they're doing this and why they waited 9 months to find something.
There are many theories. But according to one, the reason may have been, or at least triggered by, the recent partnership between PocketPair and Sony to productize and commercialize Palword into toys, cards, animation, movies and manga, for example. And their deal also includes a plan to make PlayStation a new home console for Palword and its future sequels that Nintendo may not have been happy about but felt this as a threat
@@danielmalinen6337 That's a good theory. If they are suing them because of the patnership though then that's even worse as a look.
I could be wrong but even if they win . They can’t enforce this worldwide. This would most likely only a a Japan thing. If they are really partnering with Sony , I expect Sony to help them in this lawsuit . They are just as powerful in Japan as Nintendo , if not more . As gamer though you hate to see it . This little team made a better game than any Pokémon I played probably at least in the last 10 years . Nintendo is always doing the the bare minimum with the Pokémon IP and sometimes even less than that .
@@danielmalinen6337
An Anti Trust Lawsuit is pretty much just this.
I don't see how this is anything but taking advantage of the law. In the east, they think of intellectual property in a completely different way than we do in the west. That's mostly because, when westerners demanded legal protections for their processes, people in Japan thought they were nuts. The idea simply didn't exist over there and they didn't have any frame of reference for it. What they came up with, was this idea that intellectual property is like a child. And it is the creator of that intellectual property's duty as the "parent" to see that that idea grows the right way. What's happened since then, has been more like a divorce where one parent tries to take the kid from the other to spite them.
Sony needs to protect Pocketpair and, by extension, Palworld. That could be a great competitive IP to force Pokemon to actually innovate.
@Kratos7560 pocketpair had their game mechanics in craftopia and use that game mechanics in palworld. They had all this approved year's back way before pokemon did their own patent right. Nintendo should give up
I don’t care what the hard core fans say. “Oh no! They copied the ball throwing mechanic. Oh no the made monsters similar pokemon even though dragon quest is original. Blah blah blah”
Palworld is a fresh new start and I love the game. Nintendo needs to stop and focus on game instead of patent crap
"For the period from 2014 to 2021, approximately 30 percent of patent infringement cases that came before the Tokyo District Court and Osaka District Court were settled. Of the remainder, 21 percent had the claim upheld, 44 percent were dismissed, 2 percent were dismissed without prejudice, and 2 percent upheld confirmation of the nonexistence of obligation. In 2021, the average duration of an IP case handled by the Tokyo District Court or Osaka District Court (from commencement to a final decision) was 15.2 months."
Lets hope PalWorld suit falls in the 48% of cases that are dismissed!
I hope your Right. NINTENDOS team of lawyers according to official records have never lost and in a recent case. While the Patent Infringement claim didn't stick... NIntendo Still strong armed them into settling out of court... massive fines, and forcing them To pay more in Licensing fees... this isn't about winning... It Nintendo trying show a display of Force that they will maintain the Monopoly over this genre and they will kill any company that thinks or acts otherwise.
Nintendo is one of the golden geese of japan. They'll get their way because their loyalists are too loyal for their own good
Companies are allowed to protect their intellectual property like brands, worlds, stories and character designs. That's totally fine by me, but it should NOT be allowed to patent basic game mechanics like throwing a ball to capture a monster. Games have always looked for inspiration in other genres, games, the real world, science, etc. That's how some of the best games we have today came to be and Pokemon is no exception as explained in the video. It just comes of as very malicious ans scummy to sue when they feel threatened by another companies success
The game you're thinking about for mega evolutions is digimon. Each digimon evolution has a name and most of them usually are temporary. And it's more on the side of westerners i guess cause jp and en dub had a bit of switch up between those evolutions
From one of digimon wikis:
Main Digivolution Stages (English adaptation terms with Japanese terms in brackets):
Fresh (幼年期 I, Younenki I?, lit. "Baby I")
In-Training (幼年期 II, Younenki II?, lit. "Baby II")
Rookie (成長期, Seichouki?, lit. "Child")
Champion (成熟期, Seijukuki?, lit. "Adult")
Ultimate (完全体, Kanzen-tai?, lit. "Perfect")
Mega (究極体, Kyuukyoku-tai?, lit. "Ultimate")
I believe the patent system is garbage, and the copyright system is garbage, too.
If Pokemon wasn't so ridiculous with their own very obvious inspirations I would say whatever, but they were so inspired by other games lol
Digimon:"inspired? I think you mean theft"
Patenting game mechanics is an absurd thing to allow. There are copyright and other protections against plagiarism that suffice. Being able to legally prevent anyone from making games that even *play similarly* to yours is OBVIOUSLY stifling of competition and creativity both, contributing to monopolistic behaviour. Big companies with lots of patents can basically just pick and choose which 'competitors' are allowed to operate. It'd be like letting artists patent art styles, record companies patent chord progressions...
Cant forget pokemon stealing mega evolution from digimon. A creature taking a temporary super form that's also called a mega
Funnily enough, what they're referring to with this whole patent thing is probably from Pokemon Legends Arceus.
Which is depressingly sad because LA was the best thing to come out of Pokemon in the past 10 years since X/Y.
And it's upsetting to be that they're now using their LA Patents to stifle competition.
I hope, if they win, Nintendo is never able to make another game again because of patent law.
Also Nintendo is a hypocrite because they promoted crime since gambling is illegal in Japan when they sold their playing cards ro Yakuza.
I feel like the copyright extreme is a way for Nintendo (and also Disney who took old stories and made adaptations while tamering with copyright) to avoid accountability and to cover it up
They literally trying to own the concept of casting a shadow in the shade, this is insane.
According to them, they already DO own it. That's what's crazy. We don't think you should be able to own mechanics like this.
I say we should boycott Nintendo. It’s time they learn a valuable lesson.
A Sony v. Nintendo battle just because Nintendo didn't like Palworld stealing the spotlight would be insane. I would spend my entire life savings to watch that
Thats like WB patenting the nemesis system in shadow of mordor somthing cool that gets locked away ..... nintendo just has to be bullys right before their next system. This just leaves a bad taste
The Game Boy Advance was when Gamefreak ran out of excuses for not giving all the monsters voice actors.
The Nintendo DS, that is, a generation later, was when they ran out of excuses for not putting in full sound.
trust me, its even worse. nintendouce filed these patents AFTER palworld came out for the sole purpose of suing them
Palworld actually looks good and runs well wheras pokemon s an v was a buggy glitch mess and was lazy as hell
NO game mechanics should EVER be able to be patented! All they do is fuck over creativity!!
Z-Moves being inspired by Yokai Watch and Mega Evolutions being inspired by Digimon are kinda a huge deal for someone who doesn't want people making things inspired by Pokemon
Ultraseven & Dragon Quest are the biggest influences on Pokemon. And the original anime took Team Rocket from Time Boken.
I love pokemon, but im hoping they lose the battle so it kinda puts them back into a "we gotta do better state". I get alot ofbthe problems were reported to be the stakeholders, financiers, and the parent company's durective in regards to many of SV's problems. Pokemon really does need to do better in general and not just keep releasing suboar games and content. I
m still annoyed at them about the whole national dex thing and then a few patches after that they have an "uneckected effect" of wiping players entire homes content..
A trademark isn't a patent. If you don't defend your trademark then you will lose it.
For instance, the name Pokemon is a trademark. That's why Pokemon Uranium (and other fan games) are cracked down on so hard, because if Nintendo and the Pokemon Company don't defend that trademark, then everyone will be able to call their game "Pokemon".
A patent on the other hand doesn't have to be defended. You can allow others to use it, or turn a blind eye, or come after people who use it... all at your discretion. For as long as you hold the patent, it's yours.
And to answer your question... no. Game mechanics absolutely should not be able to be patented.
My favorite Monster Capture games are Coromon and Cassette Beasts and Pokemon Uranium!
Pokemon is on Switch, while Palworld is on other systems!
Imagine if the Devs for A Hat In Time Patented Platforming and killed Super Mario games in the process. That's tragically what Nintendo is doing.
Shin Megami Tensei has been around long before Pokemon where you have a "mon" team, too.
Weirdly enough, Palworld and Eternal Darkness are in the same boat to me; Nintendo still has a hold on the "Sanity Meter" in that game as far as I know. 😭
That should not be patented. They should not be able to patent a feature to recruit characters to your party members.
Temporary Mega Evolution?
Digimon did it first!!
Originally the pokeball was literally a Gachapon Capsule and the series was gonna be called "Capsule Monsters"
YUP! Capumon! 😂
Despite me liking Pokèmon, I really hope that Pokémon lose the lawsuit or else the damage to other monster franchises like Digimon, Monster Rancher, Yu-Gi-Oh, Neopets, Yo-Kai Watch, Palworld, Bakugan, Monster Hunter, TemTem, Chaotic, or Moshi Monsters is permanent.
People needs to realize that Pokèmon doesn't own the word "monster taming genre".
Pokèmon needs to have some friendly competition.
Regardless of the outcome I'm confident that Pocketpair will resume business as usual. 😎
Maybe, but pal world? That is another can of worms. And the issue is Nintendo trying to kill the game. Certainly they want to mess up Pocket pair too if they can. But murdering pal world due to patents and letting pocket pair "survive" would still be a craptastic result still.
@@Aldenfenris I don't see the problem with Palworld either. There's no way PP will kill their golden goose over a legal issue. Most likely they would have to pay a few millions and tweak the mechanics a little bit.
@@stormgalaxypegasus It heavily depends on what patents are in question and how willing nintendo is to just let go with a 'ok, pay this fine, and pay us royalties'. what if nintendo wins, decides 'nope we never gave you permission for that, and you can't use it' and they have to remove the mount mechanics, or the capture or whatever inane mechanic the patents in litigation are?. Also, I am sure it will be a ridiculous number of money, because 'projections of profits and lost profits and all kind of legal mumbo jumbo that means 'we pulled this number out of our rear' as damages . And then try to figure some bizarre alternate or different systems that... completely change some of the main appeal of the game? People act like it is as simple as 'oh, right, we just change the sphere for a square!' and that will work!. But I worry it most likely is far from that easy. (if it is? wonderful, but I just worry on the 'what if it isn't' scenario)
@Aldenfenris here's a thing pocketpair made a game called Craftopia that used the same game mechanics they put on palworld which gives them the patent right. Craftopia came out in 2020 years before pokemon did their own game mechanics. Nintendo is doing is wrong here
@@outlawstar2090 Here is hoping, never said nintendo was right, just 'technically legally allowed to do this nonsense'
Not just Dragon Quest though they did rip a lot of game mechanics not just designs from Dragon Quest… They also took “inspirations” from Ultraman, Megami Tensei, Godzilla, and Doraemon.
Everyone though usually just focuses on the monsters and some mechanics, if you want to get to the most glaring example look at the PokeBalls.
Look up how the PokeBalls designs and how they function compared to the Ultraseven balls from Ultraman (the normal Pokeballs) and/or the Super Dimensional Balls from Doraemon (GreatBalls.)
Pokemon and Palworld Could have been the Friendly Rivalry the industry needed to step up their games and really improve their product... instead they choose to be Team Rocket and try to take everything from people... and stomp out anything it sees as competition.... they are Horrible... I loved Pokemon since the Red/blue/Yellow/Green Days... but this Malicious attack on Palword... no.. they lost my love and adoration...
At the end of the day, winning or losing the court case doesn't matter. This is a show of force... its Mind Control/Manipulation... they will maintain their Monopoly over this Genre and they bleed any company that attempts to challenge them to death to maintain it. Their Broad Patent strokes are proof of that...
Nintendo sees Palword as their biggest threat, especially since Sony has now partnered with Pocket Pair and planning on expanding the Palword universe to media and merchandise.
If the patent is only enforceable in Japan then wouldn’t this only affect the Japanese market? Definitely pretty petty from Nintendo . All because they been upstaged by this little developer.
I think they would change it regardless. If Nintendo wins in Japan they can use it to help their case in other countries.
@@Nicky-zz8np I doubt that it would. It wouldn’t be enforceable in Western markets which is the biggest market by far. Plus, keep in mind games and movies do edit their content for release in certain markets. It’s going to take many years for this to play out. They could either edit the game specifically for the Japanese market or take the game out of the Japanese market altogether if it’s only a small fraction of the sales.
It sounds like the plan is to put Palworld out of business so Nintendo can make a pokemon survival game.
Hello, I am totally nintendo exec. This video is infringement on our video reviewing patent. We will be taking this down, thanks.
/satire
I'm seriously considering getting Palworld on PS5 now instead of Legends Arceus
personally i prefer palworld over arcues cause it also includes survival aspect and ceafting is bigger paet of the gameplay than in arceus
I played Arceus, it's a good game but i would understand if you like Palworld more.
Usually pokémon fans are big Monster Hunter fans as well and Palworld is a weird mix of everything.
LOL no kidding at least PlayStation doesn't contradict themselves. Nintendo doesn't want competition but constantly neglects their main Ip's to, I honestly wish another company would make a super successful parody of Kirby so Nintendo can for once make smarter marketing moves which it's going to happen but will Nintendo change is the question.
Get Palworld. I played arceus and honestly palword's open world is better. Sure you might need to craft items to mount flying/water mounts for some stuff but that's not needed plus you're not forced to stay in one area for 5 hours because the story doesn't allow you to go there or "YoU'rE rAnK iS tOo lOw tO pRoGrEsS!". But you might get reality checked by a boss pal or a random level 40 pal because you accidentally angered it. Plus shinies (Or lucky pals) have actual use in palworld. Sure they are just bigger and make noise unlike normal pals (These are not alphas, alphas are basically boss battles!) but they give you a unique trait which you can pass through breeding called "Lucky" which gives +15% Work Speed and +15% Attack for the pal that has it. And you can breed any species together, that includes legendaries, you just need a male and female pal + some cake and wait until you get an egg. There's also a breeding calculator so you can check which pals come from which parent combinations so you can look and breed for the pal that you want, even you can get one of the better Pals to work for your base, Anubis which is normally a level 40 boss iirc.
There are better franchises than Pokèmon. You should try out Digimon Surivive or other monster franchises besides Pokèmon.
Sony and Microsoft both have invested in Palworld, it was a game pass exclusive for a long time and So y is wanting to produce an anime, so I wonder what's gonna happen with the situation involving them
Previously on "When Pot Met Kettle"...
I think this isn't about Patents, this is about fear and GameFreak.
Scarlet/Violet are abysmally designed in optimization, this team has struggled with this yet were unable to get a time extension. Normally teams would get help or get a time extension (Tears of the Kingdom) which implies Nintendo or The Pokemon Company are responsible for rushing and declining quality while refusing to offer funding.
GameFreak would likely face repercussions for this and Nintendo would hire or replace them with better Devs, which in turn means the now jobless ex-employees would have incentive to speak out against Nintendo.
Imagine this: "If I was respectful and kept working I'd get fired, if I tried to save the series from this and show children and customers respect I'd get fired." If this kind of thing came to light it could destroy Nintendo's reputation with its own people.
Craftopia had the mechanic before legends Arceus, even existed. Craftopia is pocketpairs first game, and came out before Legends
Yokai Watch is responsible for so many things I hate about Gen 6+ games.
Rotom was cool until Gen 6, poor bastard was inbred into every device it shouldn't be in.
I still love Rotom as a species, but _fuck_ the Dex and Phones.
This is why I only tell people to play the Gen 1 through Gen 6 games. Outside of Rescue Team DX, every Pokemon game from Sun and Moon onwards ranges from mid to terrible.
Considering Palworld just recently launched on PS5, obviously Nintendo is in the same position as Pocket Pair, fighting an uphill battle. Nintendo has managed to one-up Sony in consoles twice and has almost always one-upped Sony in games, but considering Sony managed to crush the N64, the GameCube and the Wii U, obviously Sony is going to give Nintendo some trouble considering how much money Palworld will make in sales.
21:00 the thing is here... (Not that I am dismissing the argument!!) but, who cares? Nintendo has enough money, goodwill and brand recognition that this "hit to their rep" is a drop in the bucket. People will still line up around the block for their new pokemon game, doubly so if there's no competition. People didn't much like the new Zelda game, yet bought part 2 in DROVES.
The number of people who stop buying Nintendo IPs won't even *register* with Nintendo. As far as they're concerned, this has ONLY upsides, and the only way we can convince them otherwise is not to buy their games. .... which we won't do.
Love him or hate him, Asmongold was right - "Every outrage, boycott and promise never to buy another game is one, three-minute trailer away from being over."
What nintendo is doing is SCUM of the highest order, but when it comes down to numbers and brass tacks, they stand only to gain from this - and both their lawyers and their PR reps know this.
It all depends on if you view lack of originality mixed with more mature narratives grounds for lawsuits for stealing or adapting.
Am sorry but it isn't a Time thing with Gamefreak anymore, they haven't even figured out 3D game development on a console fully and it shows in their games. Can they make something fun and enjoyable yes, will it be new and innovative, possibly, will it look great? No. Ever since Gamefreak hit the Switch their games have had a lack in quality that isn't just a product of time constraints, if anything it's become harder for them to hide just how much they were winging it with their game designs on the Gameboy and DS. Hackers have picked apart thei games and have seen how out dated their development techniques are and how wasteful they are with Memory. Gens 1-5 had one man on the team that actually knew his shit and knew how to compress files, he was the sole reason gen 2 had two regions. After gen 5 he left and eventually passed away. My hot take is Gamefreak needs to clean house and hire people that know what they're doing and stop being stubborn about doing it the way they've always done things. Gen 9 was enjoyable but it had a vast amount of room for much needed improvement and not just the bugs. People will say graphics don't matter, but the reality is they do to some degree and for those that say they don't, you've just admitted you'd play the game whether it looked like garbage or mind blowingly amazing. Ultimately Gamefreak is being kept alive today because of their fluke with pokemon, without Pokemon they'd have faded away in this industry a long time ago. And now they're hiding behind Nintendo who is just as guilty of not enforcing quality control on Gamefreak, because it's making their system look bad.
It's gamefreak it 100 percent will not be new or innovative.
Minor correction, but Iwata was involved with the Gen 6 games as well, mainly XY, ORAS, and PSMD. You're right though that Iwata leaving before Gen 6 prematurely ended is when Pokemon became a bad franchise.
Gameplay shouldn't be owned by a company
And u should not forget that Gachapon used to be to have Insects in them. (They are basicly Pokeballs) xD
And why they used insects back then in Gachapon? Because kids in Japan catch bugs and let them fight each other, oh wait its basicly POKEMON in RL before pokemon existed. xD
Mega was from Digimon
Its clearly bullying, they didn't say anything regarding the gameplay during Palworld's release, they only cared about the design of the monsters/creatures at that time, but because they couldn't sue them over Pals design they decided to switch to gameplay mechanics(which they post many of them but they still didn't know which one to use against Pocket Pair), so far most people think that its "throwing an item(they didn't mention if its a ball or not) to capture monsters" which is something most game are using as part of their gameplay.
Not to mention the creator of dragon ball Z also had a part in Pokemon and a few games game like dragon quest so that makes sense that it looks similar to Pokemon but Nintendo was completely fine with that. Plus they been many times in the past where Nintendo would rush to develop a game to release over holidays.
Id argue pokemon has been trash since gen 6. Ever since i learned that they kill fan projects i stopped sypporting nintendo. 20 years i have sailed the high seas and I'll continue to do so. My kids will be taught to hate nintendo for generations to come.
Nexomon is another Pokemon like game.
Fishing rod's Plastic Floats looks like pokeballs,
and you throw those.
Artist inspire each other all the time and that’s perfectly fine. The design comparisons between Pokemon and Dragon Quest are there but most are different enough or in the case of Dragonite he’s more round while the DQ example uses more sharp edges. Also while Gyarados is inspired by the Azure Dragon it’s also a reference to the tale of the Koi that climbed a waterfall and became a dragon. I personally didn’t want Nintendo to go after Palworld and instead use it as inspiration to improve. I tried Palworld and couldn’t get into it.
P.S. I highly recommend the Digimon Cyber Sleuth games and Digimon Survive.
I really want palworld to win this lawsuit. The news that Sony might be in palworld corner, might give palworld a fighting chance. But understand Sony is just a platform for them to sell the game on like Steam, Sony might not get involved with the court case. In saying that. it is kind of strange Sony let palworld release an early Access game on a platform that only features fully release games.
I saw a lot Western/American commenters saying racist stuff against Japanese people and the country of Japan just because of this Palworld drama. This is so ridiculous and people should be ashamed. It's just a game that copied a other game and people get emotional over that and make it look bigger than this whole lawsuit is. It doesn't affect the whole gaming industry. Ironically Palworld is Japanese too. Wtf.
Most stuff I’ve been hearing is that these patents, that are assumed to be the ones that are being used in the lawsuit, were made for Legends Arceus. Like there’s one for the mount system (I believe for the transition between Run, Fly, Swim). Nintendo likes to patent a lot of nitpicky things for their games.
I still find the whole situation extremely stupid though. (I only basically heard about the whole situation fully like yesterday so correct me if I’m wrong).
I gave this video a like. This wasn’t a rant and gave a fair analysis. Appreciate that this was more like a discussion
Thank you I try my best to keep my videos fair and to analyze things rather than just get angry
But palworld is also made in Japan so they would be hurting the money flow that is also coming to Japan so why would they sue them? But still I don't support Nintendo suing palworld over this and I hope palworld wins in court.
They patented riding animals and shadows behind trees.
Yup, totally fair.
that patent could be easily abused due to all the other monster catching games
Patents and IP laws are designed to prevent competition so that companies can get rich for no effort by simply being the only people alowed to provide that thing. Stifling inovation is thus kinda the point of having IP laws at all.
I’m Japanese and I’ve been reading an ex-designer of Palworld talking on X about their experiences in the company, and I really can’t defend Palworld….the CEO harassing the designers by forcing them to mimic Pokémon, even if they refused. The company even changed the designer’s monster designs so they’ll look more like Pokémon. The designer quit the job and is struggling from PTSD
Nothing more than an attempt to stifle competition, because Pocket Pair joining with Sony is a threat to The Pokemon Company.
Everyone palworld mechanics came from craftopia that was out in 2020 way before pokemon had their game mechanics out in 2022 lol this lawsuit is stupid
Yes well if i remember right dragon quest is a Nintendo property so Pokémon copying other Nintendo games is probably considered okay because they both belong to the same parent company although i do agree that this patent of essentially ideas that can be implemented in games is dumb the capturing mechanics in Pokémon shouldn't be able to be patented
YES!!! Sony needs to help Pocketpair fight Nintendo. Even Xbox could help too.
I hate these systems that encourage video game giants to snuff out indie game competition. Imagine if FromSoft patented the Souls-like genre, how many games would have died before they could see the light?
Side note: the lv71 Vaporeon using hydro pump on the lv5 Houndour was so cruel lol. Just have it walk beside you and auto-battle if you needed the materials 🤣
Don't forget, Palworld is on Xbox as well, so Microsoft has skin in this game too. With M$ and Sony money backing them, Pocket Pair coukd fight this litigation for months and years on end.
True, we forgot about the Microsoft Game Pass deal they had for a bit. Is there another deal beyond that with Microsoft?
I do this with every game and company, and you can too. When game companys try shitty tactics i dont buy thier games. I promise it works, and the more people that do this the better it works. Im not saying you have to drop pokemon forever, but when the next game comes out, if we all dont buy it the day it comes out, they will absolutely notice. Who am i kidding though, the pokemon fans i know are the kind of gamer that buys both versions on release day and the 3rd "special" version on that ones release as well.
Tbh, I feel like a good portion of the Japanese market are biased for Nintendo. There have been plenty of times where Nintendo has broken the "honor code" but ppl look past it since they make "good" games. It's just an excuse to justify Nintendo's gatekeeping.
Oh yeah Mega Evo was Digimon
Don't you also use guns to catch the monsters in Palworld? You don't do that in Pokemon.
Honestly I would rather hope that Microsoft buy it because then it won't be held down as an exclusive.
Should tell Jill why Sony has bad blood with Nintendo >w>
If that rule was like… let’s say 1995, 3D games no other games would do it cause Nintendo didn’t 1st what i understand and so on
Its nintendo that is sueing bringing a long pokemon , not like pokemon company sueing palworld themselves. Also dragon quest 2 probably are closely related to nintendo as well so no sueing between them 🤣
Far from hypocritical, it's just a game of Who Came First mechanics wise and more. And like it or hate it alike truth of the matter is Palworld build there game based on Pokémon mechanics. You know that borrowing someone else works. Rather, you made it improved or not. You still took that work and made it your own when it isn't. Palworld is getting what's given for taking someone else work simple as that.
@paxhumana2015 exactly what Pokémon game in particular? Do you believe Netendo Copyed out of Palworld? I'm most curious. The First Pokémon open world was Sword/Sheild back in 2019 oldest wise and lastly Scarlett/Violet/ Legends both in 2022 Palworld was in 2024.... heres a Fun Fact on who came first and copy. Pocket pair company Is a Business that Startred in April of 2015. The Netendo Company was in 1889 oh and the Pokémon Company was in 1998. So yeah might want to check that whole Pokémon copied from Palworld stick because the evidence is plan as Day and it's out there for all to see hardly need a legal degree to know who's on the wrong rather you like it or not. And Palworld/Pocket Pair are in the legal Wrong.
5:22 I believe Atari did something similar with Crystal Castles, way back in the 80's. When Bently Bear walked behind another object, you could still see his feet. I'd have to double check to be sure.
Yet they stay far away from digimon
digimon really is different in so many ways.
though i think they tried to hit digimon once and lost.
correct me if i m wrong
Digimon has absolutely nothing to do with pokémon.
Compare Digimon World from the PS1 vs Pokémon Red&Blue, night & day difference.
Along with how different the franchises are, you have to also remember Nintendo and Bandai have a very close working relationship. There's no point in burning bridges. Palworld is off on its own island though with no relationship with Nintendo.
Digimon along with other monster franchises needs to make a comeback.
I do hope Sony does back Pocket Pair in this engagement, as much as I enjoy Nintendo's game franchises, they are getting too cocky as of late with all these bans on fun from fan games just wanting to spread the joy they had for pokemon or mario and what not, to now trying to screw over palworld with a stupid lawsuit.
Get your shit together Nintendo.
lol imagine if Call of duty sues other companies for making games that you can shoot each other in lol so dumb.i love pokemon and i been playing since red and blue and i thought palworld was cool played it but i guess pokemon scared of competition lol