How Much DEX Would Spider-Man Have? | Baldur's Gate 3
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I wanna show up to a table with this character, and look a DM dead in the eyes. "Yeah, I rolled these naturally. It was very lucky."
Just imagine playing as lore accurate Spider-Man in bg3. He solos that campaign so hard it isn't even funny.
It would be like a Gloom Stalker solo run but instead of killing everyone in sight, they're all just webbed up.
@@PanicRolling Just as soon as they let him spider-climb on walls and ceilings.
D'ya think Lolth would be worshipping HIM!?
Or just really quietly doing lots of lustful scrying 😵💫 🕸️ 😂
@@Wraithing that explains why Peter could never get a win in the romance department Lolth Has been using divine power to sabotage him the whole time. So that she could have him for herself
@@sharksam8583 Yup. We need that comic book series now! 😁
Spiderman is what happens when you're not trying to make a supersoldier and then accidentally make a supersoldier.
Are you referring to his creators or whomever experimented on those spiders?
@@Lordmewtwo151 scientist man, scientists. Everyone after Captain American tried to craft their own version of a super soldier, they all failed. However many years later, "did you hear about this kid from Queens that dresses up in spandex" to look like a spider and he's able to perform feats greater than what Steve Rodger's did on the regular.
@@mileslugo6430Playing a Fighter/Monk in BG3 now, & I justify the Strength Elixirs as his Super Soldier Serum, he just has to drink it every day.
@@mileslugo6430but the whole point is that they were trying to make super soldiers with the spiders. Well, they are in like 90% of continuities at least
The interesting thing about daredevil and his perception is that it is well within D&D. Because blindsight, while rare, is a thing in that game. Spiderman is above and beyond in perception even when considering blindsight.
Yeh they are both very high on Wisdom checks also lol! And then of course INT is Spider-Man's best stat...he's so friggin broken.
@@PanicRolling yeah. Daredevil is probably a good 20 wis character example as well. And traditional Monk example.
@@PanicRolling Spider-Man: Brokenly high Dexterity and high perception. Daredevil: Brokenly high perception and high dexterity.
But then Daredevil's strength is like, 14 or something, so Spidey eclipses him pretty easily.
This is honestly why I put him next to Nightwing for comparison. I think a fight between DD and Nightwing would be awesome and almost as evenly matched as you can get, and I think they both get absolutely stomped by an enraged Spider-Man.
@@PanicRolling Well, there is a Death Battle between Nightwing and Daredevil if you're interested
Spiderman actually breaks every single attribute...except arguably charisma.
Have you seen Mary Jane, Gwen, and Black Cat?
His CHA might not be maxed, but I'd say he's doing ok 😄
It's the Parker luck that causes the Nat 1 rolls, not his Charisma lol
Nah, Spiderman has plenty high charisma. The problem is his luck stat.
...guys...all I said is that he doesn't BREAK charisma and even that's arguable. Like he's not got mindcontrol levels of charm in most incarnations.
...depending on the incarnation, he's depicted through his environment as socially awkward in quite a few. An outright loser in others. Yeah...that clashes with the girls he keeps attracting, but there's superhero logic for you.
That said...I remember dimly that there was an alternate reality version of Peter that was fabulously wealthy and wildly popular...so that one would probably have 20 at least...also really hard to tell what Spiderman can do, since it's kind of canon that there's near infinite versions?
I do agree however...peter has just about the second worst luck stat in superhero comics.
20 Charisma is not a break, sure.
But his permanent 60% chance to set his luck to -1 for a short time is sure a problem.
"spiderman failing a dex roll" buddy, with a bonus of 25, the lowest he can roll is 26. even on a critical fail, he's still hitting higher than most characters can get on a good day.
Sounds about right.
Too bad that many DM have house rules where if you get a nat 1, you fail regardless of bonus or proficiencies.
@@LoboGuara5bruxaria i remember him mentioning in the video something about a legendary action where if he does fail, he can just say "no i didn't"
I would honestly rule it as him having something similar to reliable talent when it comes to dex rolls lol if he rolls low enough, it just overrides to a higher roll
I would actually equate Spidey's Spider-Sense less to a high perception and more to a sort of built-in blindsight, though it depends on which spidey we're talking. Some media describes it as the way spiders can use fine hairs on their body to detect changes in airflow, while others literally just describe it as like a mystical force, so its definitely up to interpretation
Yep absolutely. The way Marvel does multiverse nonsense every other week, you could explain any minor or major variations by saying they are from a different dimension.
It's a cop out, but if you can look past that part...totally viable.
Spidey would also basically have the equivalence of elven accuracy with spider sense when it comes to dex and perception rolls. Spider sense is basically multi-feature ability.
Honestly if we are going try to keep Spider-Man’s DEX at 30, then he should also always have Advantage because of his Spider Sense.
You a madman if you do all the attributes. Good luck with Charisma and Wisdom
Ill take a wild guess...
Superman Strenght
Spiderman Dexterity
the hulk Constitution
The maker(or ridd Richard if you are lame)Intelligence
Batman Wisdom
Lucifer carisma
@@airprocidaredevil’d fit better for wisdom imo
Nah charisma is easy. Naruto.
I'd offer up purple man for charisma, but as a wild card, Logan for Wisdom
Charisma's easy, Jack Black.
You could have infinite dexterity and still slip on the ice surfaces one of your teammates created at the worst time.
Yep. That's one of those rolls where it might say 5%, but it's 95%.
@@PanicRollingAlso wanted to say this was a great video. Spider-Man has some ludicrous speed feats like catching a bullet in his hand while actually dying due to sickness and being fast enough to web up a gun after the trigger has been pulled. He tends to be one of the last people standing in huge fights for a reason.
Oh yeh. If Pete was bloodlusted, there are not many people I'd bet on over him.
What if spider man had the rogue skill where he can't roll less than 10 when dealing with dex checks.
Spiderman could be as well as a lv 20 Monk with 26 Strength, 30 Dexterity and 30 Wisdom, with expertise in athletic, acrobatic, insight and perception. Which would make his acrobatic, insight and perception check a +22, which is not that far off from +25. Monk also have Evasion feature which would let him dodge explosions, taking no damage on a successful save that require a Dex save. Spider Sense can act as the Alert and Observant feat, making it impossible to sneak on him.
You are right for the monk stats, yet wrong for Spiderman.
A thing most seems to forget is that the common/classic Spiderman limit himself. He never use his full strength and ability from fear to hurt people. It's pretty obvious from the very few times when he lost it from wrath.
You also forget a monk do all that because he is very focused. Spider do it casually, all the time, sometimes out cold or asleep !
So more 30 str, 60 dex, 20 con, 20 int, 18 wis, and 8 Cha. With a -10 luck.
I think Danny MacAskill is probably a real-life representation of 20 Dex.
Simone Biles?
@@gamelairtim I just watched a video of this guy talking about just how physically strong and gifted she is, like how doing a floor routine when you look at her leaps she could easily jump over a whole Shaquille including the O'Neal. She is also 27 and for female gymnast of that caliber isn't that over their retirement age to compete at that level.
I know that you justified it later on, but those DCs aren’t based on a human standard, when it says “nearly impossible” it isn’t referencing the human limit, it is talking about what even physically is possible to happen, that’s why it is considered a difficulty worthy of a god.
So yeah, Spidey *would* have his points near 30 and proficiency *would* help him go even further (he could even have expertise on those skills since he qualifies for both rogue and bard lol), but gods have their cap around the 30s and you implying Spider Man is at least twice as powerful as a god feels really weird
In the comics there are no gods that can match Spider-man for agility and dexterity. If DC had an Agility Force, Spider-Man would be it's avatar. (Yes. I know. That's the point.)
"god" is a title
a god in dc is not the same as a god in dnd is not the same as a god in warhammer is not the same as a god in god of war
I would need to know the feats of these "gods" so we can scale them. Can they dodge bullets? (Imagine you pull up to a god, and they act all that only to be unable to dodge a gun)
I remember looking up spidermans stats in marvel. And deciding to transfer that data into 3.5 dnd. And I did end up with something very similar. Super heroes and villains are just that. Super,
Based upon how lifting worked in 3.5 it ended around 60-70ish range for str for spiderman which is godly back then. And I based that upon lifting tonnage over head. Now I lost the sheets long ago but it gave a good idea of just how amazing spiderman is. And I do remember his dex ending up around 50s in 3.5 *yes spiderman is stronger then he is dexy. His strength is beyond what most people expect* Now I do not have the exact math on me as its lost long ago for all this but, Your numbers seem to check out to something very similar to rough memory of my own past experiments :D.
9:30 Imaginary Axis made a calculation on Spider-man's lift power. In one of the older comics he was capable to momentairly lift and crawl out of aprox. 50+ metric tonnes of rock and steel. Admittedly, this was the biggest example of calculable feat and it was the a strain to his absolute limits at the time. And he performed this in his late teens or at the verge of his twenties, so Spidey still had some room to grow even stronger.
So yes, Spider-man is a lot stronger than most ppl give him credit for. And durable. Peter literally rolls with the punches of normal humans solely to not break their wrists. Or so the story goes.
Yeh I've seen a few instances of buildings collapsing on him, or him jumping in there to protect someone else.
I definitely want that guy on my team.
Humans usually make decisions long after the brain has begun processing it. So, it actually makes some sense that Spider-Man can sense Nick’s actions before he even imagines them. This, in 5e, would be high Insight, though, while Spidersense would either be Perception or, more likely, a straight Wisdom check.
I would also like to point out, 3.5e had an Epic-Level Handbook where feats such as this were possible.
Spidersense is straight up a Precognition ability, its just that some spider people have stronger versions of it, and the ability can be trained to get stronger like the assassin spiderman did. Madame Web has the strongest and can straight up see the future and past with it.
There is already a precedent within the 5e rules to include a bonus from a mental stat to increase a characters reaction (initiative) bonus. See Wizard War and Ranger Gloomstalker for adding Int or Wis to initiative, and of course the Alert feat. Given your comment on Spidey's insane wisdom score with his Spidey Sense, it'd make sense to me that he could include his Wisdom modifier on any Dex checks too.
I think this works perfectly, because it also represents the synergy of those 2 things very well.
Luckily, we have stories where Spidey's senses are messed up, and we can actually see the huge impact it has on his overall DEX scores. He basically has to re-learn how to be a superhero lol.
The problem with using D&D's d20 system to represent this kind of thing is that no matter what there will always be at least a 5% chance to completely fail or succeed. That's great for a game, but not for telling a story in my opinion.
Yeh, agreed. Others have suggested guaranteed checks up to a certain difficulty for certain heroes, and I think that works out pretty well.
Superman is NEVER going to fail a normal STR check or save. Never once. So he pretty much just auto-passes any of those checks. But you could still have a player roll a DEX check or something to make sure he doesn't destroy everything around him during his STR check.
(Not that Superman has less than god-tier DEX, just using that as an example)
Dex proficiency bonus - Spider-Man condition - breathing.
I did something similar once for super heroes in 5e, as I thought back then that Spiderman was the strongest character in this attribute that 5e can simulate. Anyone better than him and the system implodes.
I put his Dex at 30, expertise instead of proficiency in all Dex related rolls (saves and attacks included), a homebrew version of Elven Accuracy that triggers on any Dex related roll, and since there's a 9th circle spell that is basically spider sense, I gave him that efffect as well, permanently. And there's a monster (marillith) that has infinite reactions (one per turn) and 7 attacks, so I gave Spider the same infinite reactions thing, and defined that he could make 1 attack for each point of his Dex modifier. And because Rogues can't roll bellow 10 on anything they are proficient with reliable talent, I just gave that as well to any Dex roll.
Lastly, I gave him a monk AC.
So we're looking at a +10+12 roll in which he can roll 3 times per attack, save, or check, and he can't roll bellow 10, and any action against him is made with "elven accuracy disadvantage" (roll 3 die, pick the worst).
ABSURDLY POWERFUL, and yet somehow inside the system. Beatable, if you have a lot of spellcasters.
I think the daily abilities where he can just pass a dex check makes sense. There is no way he has a 5% chance to automatically miss a dex check. Maybe a .01% chance
Dexterity is definitely Spidey's key attribute score, and as you pointed out, his strength score is also clearly above 20, but he's also really high on ALL his stats.
Peter Parker is canonically one of the smartest people in the Marvel universe. He's a certified supergenius who builds all his own tech and has a cutting edge understanding of every field from molecular biology to particle physics, so his INT score is probably as high as or even higher than his STR.
His CON score is at least complementary to his strength score, since he is shown to be able to take a serious beating. He can't just throw a car, he can have one thrown at him and keep fighting.
His CHA score is also really high, though probably not above 20. He makes constant use of Vicious Mockery in battle, to great effect. His constant quipping reliably gets under his enemies' skin and keeps them off center.
Really the only stat he has that might be in the normal range is Wisdom, and...well...he's from Queens, so at least he has street smarts.
Yeh this is one of the challenges of trying to stat superheroes lol. They're each like 4 or 5 classes stapled together.
His luck would also be in the negatives potentially haha
Spiderman has been able to lift more then 20 tons for a while now. He can lift 55 tons fairly easily and if we bring up the live action versions its like triple that.
I believe it! I don't think a lot of people realize how much that adds to his agility and acrobatics, also.
If you are strong enough to lift buildings, your own body weight is going to be absolutely nothing for you to move around.
@@PanicRolling I will say that unless I'm missing a comic that said otherwise, his Spidersense doesn't help with his accuracy, it's not what he uses for his web swinging either, he just has a very intelligent mind that allows for the split second math calculations, if his spidersense was doing that for him he wouldn't occasionally slip up. The main thing Spidersense does is tell him when something is a danger to him or when somebody else is in danger, it's precognition that let's him see a second or so into the future.
Madame Web has the strongest and it let's her see into the future and past to help solve crimes.
It helps him in the same way The Flashes enhanced perception does, without it they wouldn't be able to utilize their agility and speed to the fullest.
If he didn't have over 20 in every stat, he wouldn't be able to use his Agility as well as he does, he is a good example of a character who has a perfect set powers that amplify each other on top of a super genius level intellect.
There are a few panels where they show him basically "detecting" his web targets as he swings. He definitely does calculations for swinging like you said though!
This is the best part about Spider-Man. He has like 5 unrelated powers, but they all synergize so well together, with the help of his genius-level INT...and he ends up with more powers than you originally thought.
Next one is what is the constitution of THE HULK
I imagined it was more like that scene from Batman vs Superman where Batman was just climbing on the walls in that movie fast asf for no reason
Another great video Colo. One of my favorite Spider-Man anecdotes is they explain the reason he's always clowning and joking in the middle of fights is because he practically sees the world in slow motion. His brain is operating just that efficiently. So if he didn't entertain himself he'd go crazy from boredom. Consequently, if he ever gets into a fight and he's not making jokes it's because he using his full concentration and they say that's when he's at his most frighting because you absolutely do not want him giving you his undivided attention. He's probably going to hurt you really badly.
Like the time he decided to beat Kingpin within an inch of his life? Even revealing his identity because he wanted to hurt him as Peter, not as Spider-man.
While not a western comic, One Piece was shown in this video, so I honestly think that's a great place to draw insanely high Charisma characters from. If I were to make Luffy, for example, I’d copy a short I saw, and play a Warlock flavored as him stretching(fruit themed devil was the patron listed in the short), to facilitate having a very high Charisma. All of the leaders of all of the many factions have Charisma, with Conqueror’s Haki being the weaponized force of personality of a character, which sounds like it’s just Charisma. But the most Charismatic character, who talks himself into more and more important positions, despite not wanting them, is Buggy the Clown. That man is 100% maxed out on Charisma, with an automatic success on every Cha check he doesn’t want to make.
Just a suggestion for Charisma, when you eventually get there.
Lmfao Buggy is the epitome of "failing upwards"
Luffy is one of my favorite characters in all of media. Imagine his willpower with a Green Lantern ring. He'd be a planetbuster, for sure.
But you're 100% correct, the different forms of Haki are going to be mentioned in the next few videos!
Think a lot of Spiderman's feats of agility can count as the result of mixing 20 dex with high str and a bonus on accuracy.
Str not just cause he can punch hard and lift heavy things, but also in the sense that his own body weight is extremely light for him, so he can throw himself around even with just the muscles of his fingers alone.
And high accuracy because he can maintain focus on specific targets despite performing complex stunts under pressure.
Great video as always Colo.
I would argue that spidersense doesnt count. It would be more like a divination wizards portent (both are time based powers). With spidersense peter could basically set his dex rolls to 20 on the dice, thus needing a +10 to auto achive nearly impossible challenges. A DEX score of 30 suffices (and conveniently is the 5e max).
Yeh it's very broken, but there are also stories where he doesn't have access to his Spider Sense, and he's still top tier in Agility and Reflexes. He just doesn't have the crystal ball to predict his future at those times lol.
he has 30 dex expertise in things like acrobatics, proficiency and advantage on dex saves, and probably has a prof bonus of like 20 (if you really don't wanna break the 30 limit).
The crazy thing is - that's the Peter Parker who didn't "embrace" the spider within. The 616 version of him that did literally died, cocooned himself, and emerged practically a God. He's basically immortal. Spidey is the goat 🐐 🕷
The Spider-Man "other" series is absolutely crazy
Great video, as always!!
Wait, what? Cool!
26 Dex, expertise in some skills, the alert feat, and the reliable talent feature to never roll below a 10 on proficient checks.
I’m gonna have to do some serious modifications to my monk lol
Withers is always there for you! What a guy...
@@PanicRolling hell yeah
So, here's my take based on a discussion back in the 3/3.5 days. Spidey would have between 28-32 dex. He'd have not just proficiency, but expertise in all STR and DEX skills. He rolls with Advantage on all DEX skills and Saves. He has Evation active at all times. He can never lose his DEX bonus, even when restrained or incapacitated. He has The monk Class feature of unarmored AC (potentially the Barbarian unarmored AC on top of that). He can force Disadvantage on an attacker (a la 'Silvery Barbs') as a reaction a number of times per short rest equal to his DEX bonus.
This is insanity, but... Canonically, he has had not just the foresight, but agility to evade an entire room of mounted LASERS set to random fire directions. You know... LASERS, moving at near lightspeed.
So spiderman's stats are as follows?
Str 20
Dex 30
Int 18
Wis 18
Con 16
Cha 14
Probably has the alert feet, designed the webshooters so definitely clever
Hate to say it, but higher.
Strength -> he can lift multiple tons, he's in the 30's with strength
Wisdom is perception. He is so good he's a natural pre-cog, at least 26 if not 30 if you count spidey-sense as a separate ability.
Con is debatable, 18 is a pretty crazy con, so it might count.
I had thought that, but it's difficult to work it out when considering skills associated with them such as insight. Strength, he could have expertise in athletics or something.
His intelligence matches that of reed richards, so it would be 20, or even higher there as well. Strength, too.
I'm only 3:38 in, but I'd like to put forward that Spidey's Dexterity and Wisdom both are at least 22, and that he has a monk's unarmored defense. To that end, though, while Spidey's got preternatural reflexes (preflexes, even), he _does_ get hit sometimes, but bro's tough as nails, his Constitution is also probably way up there. Plus he's ridiculously smart, charming and witty, and actually strong to boot...bro's just OP in general, and a damn decent person, yet the universes all conspire to make him miserable... -u-;
Spider-Man also has a genius level intellect up there with Tony Stark Bruce Banner and Reed Richards
In slowly realising just how worthless the physical stats are compared to the mental stats in dnd. And then how weak everything is compared to comics.
Mutants are no jokes
I mean Wisdom is a godly stat in Dnd, but unless you're playing a class that requires INT, what exactly is the point it outside a few niche circumstances--mostly fighting a handful of enemy types, most commonly mindflayers or brain devourers?
Decades ago I use to play A.D.& D. 2nd edition. Played it daily for many years and through a combination of pretty good ( not ridiculous ) initial rolled ability scores, years of campaigning with my character and magically raised scores (tomes, wishes etc.) I was able to raise his dexterity to 24. Yep he was a bad ass ! D.M.s hated him but hey they were the ones who made it possible.
Basicaly, spider man has a 35 AC and has a passive that grants him the adamantite armor passive of ignoring critical hits.
Honestly i feel like the dnd human limit, like comics, is higher than real life, id say the realistic peak strength in our world is probably like 15-16, giving the extra 4-5 stats to the adventurers cap the "passing the human limit" nightwing having 20 dex is accurate seeing as he truly is superhuman in his dexterity
Spider-man should have a dex of 30, proficiency in strenght and dexterity based skills and an ability based on spider-sense that gives him bonus in dangerous situations
I feel like you're taking expertise out of the equation. 30 is the legal cap in ability scores. An expertise in acrobatics and stealth means spidey rolls 1d20+10+12. The lowest he can roll is 23, and the higest is 42. Make him a rogue with reliable talent, the minimum becomes 32. He does NOT need 60 Dex to function. Hes just a rogue with expertise and super high dex and wisdom.
Love these videos, keep it going.
Spider Man would have 30 dex an expertise in acrobatics and dex saving throughs and the barbarian’s danger sense that gives him advantage on dex saves
He would have reliable talent on any ability check hes proficient with, so hed never roll lower then a 10
Love this series
How much DEX would the Flash have? 100? The ability modifier of +70 to any non-surprise roll/check? Flash would absolutely break the rules. He's pretty much a god in the universe he's in.
Yeh I mentioned this in another comment. I didn't include the Flash in this video because his speed isn't really "Dexterity" as much as it is "Speed Magic".
Yes he is capable of doing the things I've mentioned in this video, easily...but he's also capable of running so fast that he time travels, or adding infinite mass to his punches by increasing his velocity.
Flash stories aren't about a nimble dude, they're about a Speed God.
Plus any roll below 10 is treated as a 10 and he has expertise in all dex based abilities
I'd say at least 11 levels of rogue for reliable talent. The hare-trigger (proficient in intiative)ability that harengons get. Expertise in all DEX skills. Luck feat. Plus a 30 in both DEX and WIS. Also at LEAST 1 level in monk(possibly barbarian) for unarmored defense. Also alert feat.
Spider-Man is 30 dex, has the alert feat and can dodge all attacks with his reaction.
I mean, the batons thing Daredevil and Nighwind do where it bounces over several surfaces to hit a specific target with massive accuracy I would also rate as basically impossible or least very hard, yet they seem to do it and at very easy or medium, they should have around +10 bonus or even more, they also break the scale.
The thing is you cannot really translate comics or movies to D&D cause you know, you can always roll a 1 and fail, and I don't see how a superhuman would fail something that is supposed to be very easy by the average person. Like... Imagine a superhuman like Captain America failing to push a child just cause he rolled a 1?
In D&D gods can also roll a 1 and fail miserable whatever task they were doing, and I can't image that translated to movie or comic. Like imagine Normamu trying to impale Dr. strange and rolling a 1 and whiff the spell.
Like definetly these extra powerfull beings have to have like a way to automatically success a basic stuff and not just a bonus on the roll
Yeh you're right lol. The baton ricochets are beyond absurdity.
I also agree with the fact that these heroes would just have to have a guaranteed success on most normal to medium rolls, and possibly even some hard ones, depending on the situation.
A 20 dexterity technically only reduces your chances of being hit by 25% and would not save you from many bullets.
Counterpoint. Spider-Man’d likely be a rogue or monk, either way he’d get evasion and/or uncanny dodge to help with that.
I just default to him having some ability that lets him add his Wisdom modifier and proficiency bonus to all his rolls that use Dexterity. If we assume he's level 17+ and adds his proficiency bonus to EVERYTHING Dexterity related (including initiative), Spidey would need a Wisdom of 28 or 29 to achieve +25 at the bare minimum. Though, one could make the argument to swap Dexterity and Wisdom in this regard if you think the Spidey sense is actually stronger than his feats in Dexterity. But that's probably not accurate. Looking forward to the other videos!
Interesting idea for videos! Subbed!
I would add the caveat that dnd characters can represent feats of agility outside of the stat dexterity.
A lvl 1 human fighter could have 19 dexterity (assuming they rolled 4 dice, dropped the lowest, and got 6 on the remaining 3 and added 1 from racial bonuses)
A lvl 20 monk/rogue (assuming they don't have any items that break the cap) can only have 20 dex at most.
But because monks/rogues have a lot of movement related abilities they can do things that would make them a lot more "agile" than the lvl 1 wizard.
For example such a monk can move 120 feet up vertical surfaces or across the surface of water if they use the run action as opposed to a lvl 1 character only being able to run up to 60ft on level ground
or or spiddy senses add a +15 to all dex related rolls and add advantage. as we are agreed his spider senses in combination with his dex make it work. after all when they dont work he is much weaker.
True enough. This is the real answer for most superheroes, honestly. They would just need a special effect added on for certain situations.
Imagine Nightcrawler. You'd have to be able to Misty Step pretty much without any limitations, and probably Dimension Door with very few limitations.
The numbers don't tell most of the story, sometimes.
I mean, Nightwing was a genetialy altered human ment to become a Tallon. Easily has 20 Dex.
Edit: you should look up M&M 3e and the table they use for ability scores. The chart is very helpful as it shows how far you can throw X weight with Y score. It also does this for speed.
30 Dex, proficiency bonus of +6, double expertise in all dex checks for a total bonus of +28
20 anything, should be interpreted as the natural top performance for that stat that is possible for that race. A 20 Dex human should be the equivalent to an Olympic gymnast. Spiderman is far beyond those levels.
You need to make a Mutants and Masterminds one day, it was custom made for Marvel/DC role-playing campaigns and is so similar to D&D to easily pick it up
Considering dnd characters literally are magical superhuman monsters that can fight otherworldly magical creatures, transcedental entities, the avatar of a god, and a collosal monster (the tarrasque) that acts as a literal force of nature. dnd characters have literally dozens to nearly a hundred times the hp of an average person, to even a dnd character with only 16 strength being able to one shot kill the average person with one punch 100% of the time, I think daredevil and nightwing are more like 16 dex and spiderman is more like 20-24. I think 20th level dnd characters, especially spellcasters can more than keep up with the likes of spiderman, with a 20th level wizard being spidermans blatant superior.
Okay side note what was that animation with the red eyed man fighting a wolf and archer? Cause that looks bad ass and I'd love to see more of that.
"Still Here" League of Legends cinematic.
Say what you want about League (I can't play mobas...I'm very bad at them and they piss me off too badly) but Riot's cinematics team is outrageous.
I recommend every single one of their cinematics.
Edit: just for another nugget of lore you might not care about - the Wolf and Lamb together are a character called Kindred. They show up when its time for you to die...like Death.
The character lore is fantastic in Runeterra.
The fact that they give you a limit of 20 in a fantasy game with Gods and Monsters makes no sense to me. Previous editions didn't have this problem. If you wanted to get the dexterity of Spider-Man or the strength of the Hulk you could have got there eventually.
I would've given him a 70 since +30 Dexterity bonus would make things nearly impossible trivial.
I the idea of pushing against his limits. It's similar to stading upside down for hours!
That number for spidys dex at the end... wow.
I mean. wow. I can see the logic, but theres still sticker shock.
What about Neo from Matrix? How much DEX, STR and Speed Stats would he have in DnD?
I really like the idea of heroeic inspiration and ill be adding it to my games obviously not as high but i think a double or triple your proficiency bonus would be fine id also let players choose if theyd want to add their to their roll or let them reroll like regular inspiration incase they bonus wouldnt push them over the dc
I think it could work as a fun mechanic. You'll have to figure out how much to limit its use, but I think its definitely workable.
Maybe it debuffs you for a while afterwards, like you went too far and hurt yourself trying to save someone? Something like that.
@PanicRolling yes definetly needs some kind of limiter i think it could work similar to exhaustion levels with barbs where after limit breaking they get a level of exhaustion
Spiderman has expertise in acrobatics which encapsulates his strongest assets. For his resulting profficency bonus to reach 15 he has to be cr 25 or higher. This places him at the level of a Marut the ultimate extraplanar police.
Easy fix: Keep the dex at 30 but he has expertise in ALL dex based checks and attacks
spiderman would have 30 dex, a proficiency bonus AND a feat
18:18 like reliable talent or luck points
Bro Peter is not only superhuman but he's also a literal genius. He's extremely witty, he's got this kind of awkward charisma that literally makes several very attractive women fall in love with him. He's this odd combination of a Rogue, a Bard, and an Artificer.
Spiderman can run up building walls, but the spider in my sink can't climb out. Real spider must have rolled a bad dex score.
What a terrible spider. That thing should be ashamed of itself.
Honestly Spiderman with Dex would be reliable talent but set to 20
30 Dex is quite fair Proficiency at lvl 20 would be +6 (or 16) and then giving him advantage would achieve the same result as a 60 dex, since you always take the larger of the two dice as your base. in addition Spider man has always seemed more like a rogue to me, despite using Web Slingers and his fists (Monk). which rogue can obtain a class feature that if they roll a check less than 10 they can upgrade the roll to a 10 making a near impossible roll a 26 minimum. With advantage it would make any near impossible roll quite trivial with a single + 4 Dex save item.
20 stats are peak human. Characters like Batman, daredevil, Robin and Captain America have 20’s. Beyond 20 is superhuman to godlike.
Honestly, if you're playing with spider-man in your campaign he aught to have a spider sense skill that makes it so he doesn't fail dex saves + has a + 15 to all dex checks, and has danger sense, and has evasion, so he can't be surprised and takes no damage on dex saves. He really should have the rogue estire where he can't roll less than 10 though specifically dex checks.
Thank you so much for the imperial measures!
In earlier editions they would descride what the different scores would look like for a player. Having a 1 in dex was being nearly paralyzed.
I also came up to 60 Dex right before you said it because i thought about an adult fighting a child would be at least 3 times more effective so 3x20 = 60.
At start of the video i thought 30 Dex.
14:45 idk... i think it would be nice if he had 9 more dex
Let's see, if we put him as a 30 dex, at base he has a +10 on dex checks like Acrobatics. Now he's obviously proficient, so if he's lvl 1-4 he has +2, making it 2. Due to him being so good at it, he clearly has expertise, meaning the proficiency is doubled, for a +4. Now I doubt Spidey is lvl 1-4, He'd at least be a lvl 10 if not higher, which means he has a proficiency of +4. With expertise, that's +8. His athletics would be a +18. With that much... he can more or less only fail if it rolls a nat 1. Cuz even rolling a 2, that's +18 for a total of 20. It's rare for rolls to be 20, even rarer for them to be higher than that.
If that aint enough, make him lvl 17+. He has a proficiency of 6, making it a +12 with expertise, you now have +22 to Acrobatics. At 10, you couldnt get below a 20, which is already pretty much automatic dodging at that point. If you have to have a difficulty DC above 20, you're on pretty much demi-god if not god lvls already.
Making him have +25 from dex alone... dude, if I did that for even lvl 1-4 with expertise, He'd already have +29 acrobatics. Dex saving throws being 27 (cant have expertise there). At that point you're practicly the god for gods already.
To get the +25 he'd be 60 dex. No being in DnD ever gets close to that. Highest is fucking 30, anything beyond that and you're playing at being the god for the gods god.
I say you can play as Spiderman, go monk at lvl 1t take the alert feat this represents your start as Spiderman. you are not as good but you will if live through your messed up adventure lvl 3 monk is what kind of spiderman you want to play as.
Man, it's crazy my DM agreed for me to start with "Blessing of Anansi" boon.
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This is why people choose Spider-Man’s super powers over most marvel characters super powers.
I still think the spider sense would be perception instead of Dex
I actually have a DEX 20 char (High Elf). I've always assumed DEX 20 would be Legolas-level. Like the crazy, unnatural maneuvers he pulls off in the movies. Cool and beyond human capabilities, but still not superhero stuff.
Yeh that's about how I'd rank DD and Nightwing. They are definitely above realistic human levels of agility, accuracy, durability...pretty much every stat. But they're not punching out God, either.
Haven’t watched yet but im already going to ask you to keep making these.
But real question is - how much constitution wolverine has?
I'd say something like 20-22 DEX, CR 12~14, and with Boss stat block with legendary actions action and all that good stuff. Tha can be a low ball, or can be a bit high, I'm too tired to overthink, this is just an approximation if I had to make for my next session.
I think 30 being the absolute top of the scale is a good place to start.
From that point; Is Spider-Man the best example of a "perfect" character on the D&D scale? What's his dump stat?
Probably Charisma, but as you said elsewhere, MJ, Gwen, & Black Cat contradict that. Or his "dump stat" is still 16.
Str, Dex, Int, & Wis are all high. Dex & Wis are off the charts. Con probably lower, but still high.
So would his stats be 20 Str, 30 Dex, 16 Con, 20 Int, 30 Wis, & 16 Char? Would Str and/or Int be higher?
Who else would be in this class of having every stat above average, & several into the stratosphere?
I think a way to controll it would maybe throw for spider sense check then agility? 🤔
I think you scale to attribute is fundamentally wrong, because in DnD what matter most is the level and class. Yes to a character at level 1, to make the feats of Spiderman would need 40 level attributes, but at level 10 they would be able to do it with 20 level attributes, even if difficult. Because Black Widow is a "normal" human, i would put her at level 5, like a rogue or something similar, and without ability to keep leveling up. Spiderman would be probably a level 10 monk, with level around 30 in all his attributes, and some blessing that allow him to cast divination spells constantly as his "spider sense".
I disagree with Daredevil having 20 Dex. I disagree with determining a character's stats based off of the feats they perform using a skill, like acrobatic ability being used to determine someone's dexterity score.
A +5 in acrobatics would be the most acrobatic mother fucker you've ever seen, don't get me wrong, and daredevil has *at least* a +5. *But* a character with a +5 acrobatics doesn't neccisarily have a +5 in Dexterity. With 16 Dexterity and a +2 PB, a character proficient with acrobatics is as nimble as a character is naturally nimble through their Dexterity. I would say Daredevil is a fighter/rogue/monk for sure with 16 Dex and 16 Wis(fighter to get Blindfighting, rogue for expertise in perception and insight, monk for unarmoured defense and martial arts). This gets you the same perceptive abilities as a character with a 24 wisdom, the acrobatic abilities of a character with 20 Dex and the AC of a character with 20 Dex in leather armor. As he goes on his career and picks up a few ability score improvements, he'd probably bump his Dex up to 18.
I'm not sure I can agree with your measuring method because it leaves out things like how skills and proficiencies play into a character's stats.
On this basis, I would say Spiderman *does* have 20 Dex. He is also a higher level than Daredevil, giving him a higher proficiency bonus. Spidey is an avenger who chooses to be a street level hero, making him roughly level 12. With Expertise in Acrobatics and Perception and a 20 Dex and a 16-18 Wisdom, he would have a +13 to acrobatics. That's more than a creature with 30 dexterity! And his perception is just one lower!
I could also argue for Atheltics being able to cover for unreasonable strength, put that isn't RAW so I won't.
But yeah, I'm not sure I can really agree with this metric for measuring a character's abilities. I'd use it to reverse engineer their *skill* bonuses sure, but then extrapolate from that if they have expertise, then what their PB is, then what their level would be.
Now Spiderman's strength is definatetly higher than 20. He runs around with at least 21, probably closer to 25. He got bit by an enchanted spider that gave him the permenant effects of a fire giant strength potion 😂
A 25 Strength with a +4 PB and expertise in Atheltics gets us a +15, which allows him to make rolls that are almost impossible for commoners without breaking a sweat. Because when you're looking at the chart for DCs, remember, those aren't the difficulty classes for commoners. A commoner has a 5% chance of meeting a 'hard' DC. DC 21 or higher is impossible for a normal person. With a +15 he'd do it on a 6 or higher.
Most of what you describe Peter doing would be, at most, DC 25. Clearing tall buildings would be DC 30, and it does require some effort from Peter to pull off so having to roll a 15 on the dice to do so I think achieves this.
I'd also recommend looking at the Using Ability Checks section in the DMG (chapter 8). They help put how Ability Scores and Modifiers are supposed to be used. For example one of the optional rules where if your ability score minus 5 equals the check's DC there is no need to roll and you automatically succeed. Like a creature with 30 strength automatically succeeds on any DC of 25 or lower. I think *at most* you could argue for spidey having a 30 Dex, but I would stick with 20.
Wow thank you for this huge collection of info!
I'm definitely going to work the various bonuses into these better, and I will look at that section of the DMG as well!
I really do appreciate the tips.
Off topic but topic of discussion no the less
We can scale us real world humans on the fallout 4 special, 1-10,
Change my mind
I'm not sure what you mean with this one. My Fallout knowledge is very limited 😅
17:08 Kindred League of Legends.
sPIDER-MAN HAS A DEX OF 35.
30 dex with a feat that gives him an automatic 10 on all dex based rolls?