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- Welcome back, Travelers! Today we're going to explore what it means to have 20 STR in D&D or BG3, as well as how much STR Superman would have if he were introduced to the D&D universe.
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I keep getting comments about this, so I'm going to pin a comment explaining the numbers I used.
From the DnD Fifth Edition Player's Handbook - "A score of 10 or 11 is the normal human average, but adventurers and many monsters are a cut above average in most abilities. A score of 18 is the highest that a person usually reaches. Adventurers can have scores as high as 20, and monsters and divine beings can have scores as high as 30."
I understand that people want to use different power scales, but I'm using the exact words from the book to figure mine out. Normal humans, Adventurers, and Monsters are all mentioned by name in this quote, so I cannot accept that the 10 or 11 "normal human average" is referring to adventurers only. If that were the case, the very next words wouldn't be "but adventurers."
Even though those are 2 pretty cool words...
1980's & 90's child, grew up on AD&D and TMNT.
There has always been snowflakes and gate keeper.
Edd Greenwood, " Player characters are that world's superheroes a cut above the common tier of people."
Along with my favorite, " The rules are mere suggestions to get the story going. "
Point being, I grew up with a weight bench, my first gaming shop in the late 90's before WotC3e came out Had a weight bench.
My second gaming shop had a weight bench.
AD&D strength chart, average bench & deadlift put us early twenty-year-olds at Str:15 with +1dmg modifier.
With WotC, about everyone level at Str:13+1mods.
What pizz off the armchair lawyers is that dishwashers had better strength scores then what they had.
Then we just challenge them to plastic baseball fight or used foam weapons.
Very Few collage age males could break AD&D Str:18.
Only those in their late twenties or early thirties Had Str:18 with +2 to hit and +3dmg.
BUT, AD&D didn't have in system the rules to raise your ability scores with Xp like Other systems did at the time.
Also from my life experience, there are no 0zero-level humans.
I can explain what Hp are latter.
If you drop down to DND 3.5 those stats can be much higher. Divine entities are on average in the mid 40ies high 50ies for the really powerful ones
The weight limit is why I prefer the Pathfinder system. You suffer penalties for everything above light (medium and heavy loads above) and quadrupeds (or more legs) double this limit. That pack mule is probably your most valuable asset.
Scales can also be linear or exponential
Not quite right according to the Rules.
The most Stats are the Max - the GM is accountable to ask for Rolls or not.
Also, there are Feats and Abilities that let one exeed that Values.
Thoose Modifiers can only be coming from one of each Sources - 2 of the same do not stack while 1 of different Sources add up and do not multiply - even when it is saying so like in Haste. Here, it is clearly referring to the basic Movement Range and the only exeption is to use the "Sprint" Action (again, regardless from what sources this comes as long as it does not come from 2 of the same sources lkike Scroll+Spell).
So most of the "Ultrasonic-Builds do not work properly, yes. The whole Internet and Playerbase is thecnically wrong - but that is not bad or wrong in itself as everyone plays as they want.
Also, the Size Multiplicator multiplies - it is stated so specifically. So yeah, you can with a Char fully and soley focissed on that throw insane Amounts - mind, it is meant to be calculated in Pound, not kilo or Tons. Makes a huge difference when minding the Clamps in a Mathformula.
So, out Gargantuan Brawler can throw around 60 Tons of wheight as we do with a 1kg Stone.
Also, the "Common Adventurer" has different Rules - you can not apply the same Rules for a Playerchar and the Enemies at all - they are mearly references.
Keep in mind, a STR16 Char kills most Commoners with one Punch - like in "Head Explodes". The World is a different one, not based in Physics rather than in "Concepts" and "Ideas" Very Powerful Entities make up and bring into existence in their Vicinity by existing and "beeing like that" alone.
The thoughts can literally shape the World (literally what everyone can study - naming "to become a Wizzards") or even be Gifted with by Nature though different Circumstances.
Most NPC have a Level of some sort and only thoose without any significance have none as they never did anyting significant - which grants you your first Class and Level.
Most Grannys have accumulated enough wisdom and have trained enough different Things as they had to do it by necessity in their Lifes that they are elegible to take one Level in (Lore)Bard.
Timmy, always Bullied and constantly throwing a fit now when poked slightly is elegible as Barbarian now as he had trained up Strengh to be "Stronger and able to beat thoose Bullies up himself".
Guards often have encounters and thus get also some XP whilst their Duty - thus can have even more than one Level - even 3-5 depending on Rank and Status they have earned by their "Feasts done" aka Quests solved.
On the other Hand, the "Evil Prince" that is an arrogant C**t most probally is only a mere Commoner regrdless of his Studies and Status as he bnever did anything himself.
So, as a Dogs Intelligence is not compaqrable with the Humanoids Intelligence the Strengh is not comparable as well.
And Checks should be made when carry more than the usual 20-40% of ones Weight - but also keep in mind, Players are considrered "Trained" and thus arte like a Soldier who is used to march and carry his Stuff for a march while the same Dude from the Gym will fail horribly doing the exact same.
And thoose Checks are usually redundant and distracting for the easy flow of the Narrative - thus, there are no rolls made and the Maximu8m is assumed to be "possiblöe" - but by all means, not easy.
Chars will be pumping heavily and be pretty exhausted at the end of such a March - and prolonging it will cause harm to their Performance furthermore (Perception checks are harder when pushing so hard - and even when half the Distance is done, they often can not use specific Abilities or Traits/Feats whilst doing so (when rolling Perception).
So, if yoiu want something "easy" then you need to half the Distance and concider the Weight be carried properly (like in a "Kiepe") and also you probally should half the Weight for the Checks to be easy enough to be considred "so easy you always succeed".
BTW: Hire a Hireling asap. Some Dude - a simple poor commoner - for carry your stuff. He may die, sure - but that makes extraordinary additional Carryweight" until you get a Bag of Holding. 1GP per day is "Superfancy" for the most Commoners. 4HP is not much, but the real Deal is when it comes to "carry the Loot home" - so after Battles.
And when he dies before - no Harm, loot the Money back and done.
Keep in mind, Backpacks are specifically designed for making thoose Rolls for carrying Stuff easier aka lower the DC of them - thoose are just not done/ignored my 99,9% of all Players and GMs.
But, a Survival Campaign is not only "Survival" because of "no Loot, no Regen and more difficult Enemies". The Enviroment should be #1 Foe for you.
So, basically, most of the stated is true - but only because People disregard the proper and more complex Rules for that as they also ignore Spellcomponents and then complain about Caster be too Powerful while most of thoose could not cast a Spell in their Setup at all without putting the Weapon away and getting the Components ready - so 2 Actions that are no Cast, no Atrtack - nothing.
There is a Reason Clerics tend to have their Symbol in a Shield as well so they can use a Shield as Focus oor similar Things.
Also, when considering the Rules for "Sprinting in consecutive Turns" and Exhaustion most Fights would be going very differently as well.
"So I want to play a pop culture character, he's got a 12,000,000 strength ......."
DM: get out.
Hello Khan_The_Destroyer
@@noukan42 destroyer of what?! Fucking Planets?! Solar Systems?!
Wow using the lifting and carrying section of the player's handbook to ballpark reverse engineer "All Star Superman's" str he comes in at 33 quadrillion str score according to the math..........
Oh yeh, you can get so ridiculous with his numbers... he can basically warp reality in some stories...
@@PanicRolling Oh yeah, I forgot about strange superman who held reality together after the universe ended so his friends could leave that universe to go to another in some spaceship
push drag lift is how much you can push drag and lift without a roll
@@Alax881 and that section of the PHB does state that for lifting purposes that the amount, in pounds, is your str score times 30. So rearranging that equation to be (lifting capacity/30=str score) allows you to calculate a ballpark str score, obviously without figuring in having to roll aka feats accomplished outside the norm.
@@robertt.juengel4298 ok so this is wwhat he can lift without too much effort I dont usually read through the pfp fully so i didnt know
One thing. It´s 150 pounds while running, jumping and moving around. Deadlift is WAY more
According to the way the way the rules as written are you can without a strength check, meaning little strain, deadlift 300 lbs. That would be the start of the workout and from there on you would do strength checks until you failed. That's RAW in 5e DND.
Honestly, equipment of gunner with a machine gun in full bulletproof equipment, helmet, boots, night goggles, scopes, ammo, side arms, MRE, personal tools and medkit today ez can reach 150lbs. And it's not. Running, jumping, moving around is considered difficult terrain. It's just walking in not too dense forest, down the road, through the field or barrens. Deadlift is double this amount. Make long story short 10 Str DnD is normal jacked dude kind of strength.
+5 is like being a genuine champion or prodigy, like Mike Tyson or Mozart. +4 is like, an Olympic athlete or world master. +3 is a professional. +2 is a component rookie. +1 is probably the first thing people notice about you on a date
Bold of you to assume its not -2 (min maxxer)
+1 is meant to be above statistical average in ability, and +5 is not just the humanoid upper limit, it's the top 0.1% WITH racial modifiers and/or decades of experience. A starting adventurer can have a maximum unmodified roll of 18 (+4), which means that you need to be either level 10 for two stat increases to get a stat of 20 (+5) or have a racial modifier that boosts 18 to 20.
Not to be a party pooper, but as retired Navy I have to point out that the point source force of Superman lifting a ship with his hand would bunch through the outer plating and fracture the keel. Basically the ship would break in two.
It’s a weight distribution thing.
Very true! To be nerdy for a second, the comics do address this, at least for Superman. The rest, less so. Superman is not relying on strength but actually using force of will and disabling the natural gravity of the object. Giving it a gravity he controls. It's the same way he flies. He is applying that to the object he lifts. It's comic book science, but it's the explanation at least.
Its a comics thing
its called tactile telekinesis, thats how hes able to do it
@@uno_3099 Yes. The canon explanation(one of many) is that The Supers(Clarke, Kara, Conner, etc.) have Touch Telekenisis. Thus, Supes is not lifting the ship with is arm, he is lifting it with his mind/will.
This is actually something the comics address, you see when Superman is lifting something large he doesn’t actually exert that force over just his point of contact with it, he actually extends his bio electric field to spread under the surface of what he’s lifting and more evenly exert force on it, which is why things don’t collapse under their own weight when he lifts them. Superman’s clone Superboy at first only had this ability (called tactile telekinesis) and was able to manipulate it to simulate super strength (he later got the rest of the kryptonian power set). This bio electric field Superman has is also how he flies.
20 strength should be enough to pick up and throw a person without using fucking enlarge reduce.
It should be at least enough to open a jar of pickles by yourself, no doubt.
Kind off. If anything your throw should be limited by your size first. Then by your strength. At some point you stop throwing an object so much as you're pushing off of it no matter how strong you are. Sure a 170lb 30str character can easily lift 200lbs. But you'll have to lash them to the ground if they want to throw that much weight.
I could argue physical reality all I want. But It's all made up game stats nonsense in the end.
@@PanicRolling Not even superman has that much!
The tarrasques low carrying capacity and push pull drag score comes from a fact that is actually pretty true in real life. Large creatures use most of their strength just to move. You also have to take the tarrasques weight into thought tho, it still weighs 130 tons. It does not need a lot of strength go do damage, it just needs to throw its weight alone at things to do damage.
which is why the Tarrasque has special abilities like Siege Monster which automatically doubles it's damage to any kind of object or structure. And it's multi attack is both frightful presence, and an almost unheard of 5 attacks with various parts of it's body every turn. To simulate that it's mere presence and body mass is doing most of the damage just incidentally by moving around.
I know, I love this discussion also! I watched a video someone did about the maximum size a creature could possibly grow to on Earth, and it was awesome.
Even in our world, the average human can lift the average human. The average elephant can't lift close to the average elephant.
I'm stronger than an elephant, confirmed!
Hilariously one of the few realistic things about the Tarrasque. The precident of the Tyrannosaurus Rex's specific wording on its multiattack, that it can't attack the same character with both its bite and tail, which makes sense because it's a huge, long creature, is something the Tarrasque curiously lacks despite being gargantuan; the Tarrasque can bite, claw twice, gore with its horns, and swipe with its tail a creature proportionally the size of a mouse to a human, all in six seconds, as well as up to three more attacks as Legendary actions immediately after another creature's turn. The Tarrasque is an Elden Ring flailer boss, screw inertia.
Haven’t finished the video yet, but 20 strength is the exact stat given to a polar bear. Pretty crazy but you ain’t picking up a tank but a small car is possible.
Now imagine a Polar Bear dual-wielding tanks.
Reminder, Barbs get up to 24 Strength with their Capstone.
That sadly only amounts to 360 lbs.
Couldn't a path of the bear have doubled their carrying capacity by then?
@@lukkaredwolf3534yes, and so could any number of races, and we’re not talking about humans with Superman involved
Sadly even a goliath barbarian thats been enlarged by a spell cannot lift a 1 meter block of granite to save his life 😅
Thats why they were called bezerkers...
Ex-Paratrooper - Just give a IRL view of it, I know things have changed in the Infantry since my time, the mid 90's, but at that time my common load out as a machine gunner and anti armor specialist was between 80 - 120 pounds, and up to 150lb for shorter (1-5 miles) movements. For movements, if we were on the heavy side, the standard was about 2.5-3 miles per hour. With lighter loads (50-70lb), and shorter distances (up to 12 miles) as fast as 4 miles per hour. 4 miles per hour was the minimum pace to earn an Expert Infantryman's Badge. All those numbers aside, it would take most people months to build up to the level of fitness and very few would be able to do it repeatedly for days. A 20+ mile movement with full equipment would see as much as many of 5% of a rifle company needing some form of even minor medical attention. The Manchu Mile, 100 mile march , Commemorating the 9th Infantry Regiment's force march through the mountains of Korea, would take average person 3-5 days and would need a few days to recover from.
Hell yeh, thanks for the numbers!
You are amazing @seankirk2713 cheers for the info and numbers!
Took me 24 hours and I did need a few days to recover.... good times lol
Normal untrained people, such as most RPG players, are terribly out of shape compared to a normal fit human who lived in a pre-mechanical society. We can get those potential back vie intense training and skilled gear packing. Great going Marines!
@@dyadica7151 Not to mention the legions of rome or the armies of sparta, who maxed out the average man's potential on the battlefield.
This made me realize that dnd characters are terrifying. Like if you just take into account what they can just do without even trying they are irl versions of inevitables
Oh yeh no doubt. If you think about combat turns lasting 6 seconds each, and then realize there are characters who can attack up to 10 or 11 times in a single turn...it's nuts.
It would be like a DragonBall Z fight with cuts faster than you can even see. They'd be a walking blender.
Walked through the room when the kids were watching Dragonball Z and all I remember is 20 minutes of grunting and then light coming out of outstretched hands. (This was years ago.)
when the fictional series has superhuman characters
(this is somehow surprising)
@@PanicRolling I like to think about it as a bit more than that. In a real fight, you don't just swing once in 6 seconds as a regular joe. I treat it as "could get X feasible opportunities to land a hit against a reasonable opponent in 6 seconds". This accounts for the lower number at low levels and gives proper respect to how they'd be later when they're fighting dragons, demons, and whatever else.
Even just the first few levels their hit points / endurance DOUBLES compared to commoners. Taking a point-blank heavy crossbow bolt to the chest unarmored, and continuing to fight unhindered, even after up to THREE bolts, just at level 2.
Variant encrumbrance somewhat brings carry capacity to believable levels, but tends to bog down the story.
You simply wouldn't ever roll for superman. He succeeds at w/e he attempts
Roll for Perception...
Literal x-ray vision.
In other words, an 8 strength wizard is still vastly stronger than most of us here.
It's like those Harry Potter memes where every character was swole as hell lol
Have you seen the abs on diablo 4 wizard?
@@richardpenn3659 I have not.
5:52 My Gramps plowed with a team of heavy horses. He could easily lift 600lbs. He would take truck to city, buy barrels of gas in 55 gallon steel drums, over 500lbs, and he lift them onto truck and off truck by himself. The local fairs stopped the anvil toss, because Gramps and his two buddies kept winning. My Dad age 70, trolled guys half his age by picking up his snowmobile and toss it into his pickup, 400lbs.
Every once in a while there are those people that were just built different.
Heard stories about Big Joe from my old job, he would unload the 55 gallon barrels off the trucks bare handed. I never got to see it, by the time I was working with him he was already tired and trying to retire.
Some of the things I DID see him do tell me he was not messing around haha.
Age 70 and lifting 400 ibs like it’s nothing? Lol stop bullshitting
The only feats of strength Superman hasn't accomplished are the ones he hasn't tried yet. Dude would be the equivalent of a greater deity in D&D just minus the need for worshippers although he'd likely also have them whether he wanted their prayers or not.
Hell yeh he would be worshipped like crazy. The issue would be how much power AO has over him.
He doesn't have any upgrades to magic resist, so he might have to follow the same rules every other God does.
I'd love to read a story from either perspective, honestly.
@@PanicRolling depends on the Superman. Kingdom come is immune to magic, so is strange Visitor, and that weird 5th dimensional Superman in the barely talked about 2007 mxyzptlk solo comic.
It could be argued that his power does come from large extent from having worshippers.
Also AO's influence over the other gods is not technically magical. His word is effectively law of reality. There are only a couple other beings that aren't necessarily subject to it. One of which is a mostly forgotten god that let's others fulfill his portfolios and primarily just likes to spend his time in his single avatar form or record every detail of people's lives as they pass on.
@@Quandry1 WOTC, in their earliest days as a tiny RPG company, published Primal Order a game system that set Gods apart thanks to their use of "Primal" energy. It completely outmatched anything mortal and all it took was one point of prime to load a spell to max damage and bypass any saving throws or protections the target may have. Primal Blast was a God trying to strike you down with raw power and only Primal shields could stop it.
There was a mag that published an extra for Cosmic Power, which was to Primal Power what that was to mortal magic. A Cosmic being hitting you with a Cosmic Blast was impossible to stop with Primal power. AO would qualify as either Cosmic or even a tier above that.
@@rotwang2000 a tier above is one way of putting it. He's called the first God and the god of creation but basically all of reality is his.
Mystra is magic and magic goes weird without her, to the point of creating new versions of her to sustain and stabilize itself. He's above that. He dictates the rules gods follow and has the power to smite gods. He just doesn't.
He basically sits back and makes sure the gods don't step too far outside their portfolios or abuse the faith of humans too much. There are a few Overgods like him supposedly but have their own areas mostly. And he reports to a luminous one supposedly but doesn't serve them. So cosmic or interdimensional is probably a good fit.
Today's soldiers carry an average of 72 lbs of gear on their body without packs. Rucksacks add between 30 - 45 lbs. Specialty gear can add more and vary depending on the type of gear (demolitions 30-40 lbs, advanced comms up to 15 lbs, medic or CLS kits 5 - 50 lbs). Other specialty items can include breaching equipment, additional weapons, additional ammunitions. This means that your average soldier could be expected to carry on foot upwards of 150 lbs when deployed. During basic training, they will be expected to perform a long-distance march in full gear plus rucksack equaling approximately 100-110 lbs prior to graduation.
That being said, I don't find the 10 standard to be unreasonable for a society that relies on feet for primary means of travel with limited to no technology. The average person in that society would be accustomed to walking those distances and carrying weight on their bodies such as thick heavy clothing, tools, and supplies.
There is an old DC Heroes RPG that works on an exponential system. O Str can lift 50 lbs and it doubles each point up. The 1st edition Superman had 50 STR before being revised to 25 in later versions (or being able to lift 800,000 Tons with about a 50% accuracy)
This makes a lot of sense, and it also showcases how he just breaks any story he's in.
The guy who can lift 800,000 tons is going to punch you into red mist instantly in a fight.
Cool thing is, he also moves at light speed or better. So you'd never see it coming hehehe.
At the low end of 400000 str that gives him a strength modifier of + 199995
Sounds about right to me
Superman has what the story needs his strength to be.
For the record, 25 miles per day is actually a very reasonable expectation of a soldier with pack. Even going back into history this was the norm. DnD got it right on this
EDIT: to back up my claims I went to askhistorians and primary sources report 20-25 roman miles a day for the Legions
EDIT2: 80 lbs is the historical weight that soldiers would carry so DnD was wrong here
Sure, but the pack is 300lbs! That's the part that I think is nuts. The strength it would take to carry that much weight all day long would be nuts.
And then be immediately combat ready when you arrive? Superhuman.
@@PanicRolling sorry I had to edit a couple times as I googled things. Yeah the 25 miles a day would be with 80 lbs carried and be able to fight at the end.
I think the 300 pounds includes the weight of the soldier.
At least, that would make sense.
You need to factor in the encuberance rules
At 300 pounds, the character could only move 5ft every 6 seconds, which means one could assume they could not run, jump, etcetera.
The encuberance rules brings the strength levels closer to real life.....
The stamina, on the other hand, is insane. Primarily because keeping track of that is not very fun hence the bare bone system.
@@tylerdavault9604That’s not quite right. Encumbrance is the max a character can carry before they begin to slow down. So, a character with 20 str can carry up to 300 lbs and he would be considered unencumbered.
How do you stat a superhero in DnD 5e? That's the neat part, you don't! Thankfully, Superman already has a statblock in Mutants and Masterminds 3e (DC Adventures). Has a 19 Strength, which since the modifier is the score, is a +19. But he also has Enhanced Strength Limited to lifting that allows him to lift (normally, without any extended effort) 200,000 tons. If you're wondering how he doesn't just hit everything, MnM 3e separates Strength Damage from the To Hit, so while he has +19 strength, his to hit is +11 at most. Whereas characters like Batman or the Flash do not have anywhere near the attack power, but have way more accuracy to their hits.
I love the idea of limiting the character to make a game more interesting. Is it completely and utterly unbelievable for Superman to struggle with most DnD situations? Yes.
Do I still want to play a game that has Superman in it, even though I'd have to suspend my disbelief? Hell yes.
@@PanicRolling I always wanted a Superman game that focuses on Moral choices and how much he has to restrain himself.
Like you can use the biggest levels of strength of Superman but you see the environmental damage and you accidentally kill people if you go too far.
Like a rookie Superman story where your progression is how much of your power you can release without hurting anyone
Also of note for M&M is that the Strength attribute isn't linear, its a doubling for each point. So Strength 0 (+0 mod; equivalent to Str 10 in D&D) is 100 lb., but Str 1 is 200 lb., Str 2 is 400 lb., 3 is 800 lb. etc. ... Strength of 19 in M&M is over 52 million pounds (2600 tons) of carry capacity.
Older editions of M&M which used the exact 3.5e Strength scale had strength double every 5 points (which is what it does in vanilla 3e systems)... it just let you buy up extra Lifting Strength fairly cheaply so that your Superman-ish character might have a lifting strength of 120 (400,000 tons roughly), but only 30-40 points of that were for fighting damage (and accuracy was an independent stat) the other 80-90 points cost you 32-45 points of your 150 available to a starter character (and Superman is more like a 1000 point character anyway... though you could do a reasonable "Rookie Superman" with the starting 225 points of a PL 15 "JLA-tier" hero and a "Golden Age Superman" pretty easily at the standard 150 points of PL 10 character range).
Bringing up Dragonball and not mentioning Hercule on having 20 str is sad. He's one of the best humans to compare DND characters to because he lives in a world of basically superheroes and shows how inadequate humans are compared to these crazy super heroes
I forgot all about him! Admittedly, my DBZ knowledge is very limited. I brought up Goku just for the memes with him and Superman 😂
Spider-Man probably has a strength score somewhere in the realm of 60-100. An order of magnitude higher than even very strong normal humans, but not comically high.
Yeh exactly this. He could easily one-shot a human or some superhumans, but he isn't standing toe to toe with Thor or any of the planetbusters.
Bane is clearly a max level Barbarian with 24 STR
Not really. The heaviest weight pull we had is around 1107lb putting that human, Krzysztof Wierzbicki, with a 37 STR. And the heaviest backlift being 6,270lbs by Paul Anderson, that would give him a 209 STR.
D&D characters are weak af. IRL humans would be gods among them.
@AnarchySystem no way man. The 24 str is being able to lift that weight easily. Without strain. While being able to run normally and jump 8'. Their max weight would be a LOT higher. A guy with 24 str could probably do a single dead lift of like 15k or something insane. He'd just have to make his skill check roll ;)
@@dkail08 The record for long jump is 8.96 m ( 29 ft 4+3⁄4 in) by Iván Pedroso. In D&D You can only do a long jump of 29 ft by using the Belt of Storm Giant. By all natural means, the longest jump is by being a Barbarian with 24 ft. Normal humans would be a 20 ft.
When real humans be more superhuman than your system, you know you have done something wrong.
@AnarchySystem again, that's doing it with ease while carrying hundreds of lbs. Ivan can't do that while casually carrying around a few hundred pounds. Plus the guy with 24 str could make rolls for extreme feats. Ivan is already at his limit.
@@dkail08 the hardest part is lifting of the ground, moving while carrying something heavy is easier than you think. I did powerlfiting for a while and lots of my jobs involved moving heavy stuff.
Ok, but to be fair, I carried 80lbs of gear in the army, base. Then ammo, and weapon. I did it every day. It equaled close to that 150. It isn't a 150lb backpack.
Yeh, but that's comparing against the average peasant in DnD. You guys were definitely in better shape than "average" when you were doing that.
Einstein would have modest 19 STR in BG3 carrying a club, symbolic to the post-WW3 weaponry he predicted ...
... and 8 INT
Big ol Bonk Hammer!
I think no matter what, superman would have the class feature where he rolls below a ten; it is replaced with a ten plus modifier. I think it's reliable talent or something.
Imagine some average dude from another planet just casually moves your deadlifting working sets like it's a 5lbs dumbbell with little to no strain.
Lmao, great vid this was awesome.
The stats for movement ant carrying are for trained adventurers. the original numbers a few editions ago were based on what an average soldier is capable of. although slightly dramatized the numbers in the PHB clearly states that those rules are for PLAYER characters which only accounts for class leveled people. TLDR no a normal person cannot do those things. that's why Craig the bartender has 1+Con for health and no weapon proficiency unless hes given a creature stat or character level
Whats half of infinity? Its still infinity- got me 😂 💀
Math is crazy
1 thing i will add you normally dont have all your gear on a back a lot is armor that you wear and shit in a backpack that distributes the weight so makes it more manageable, not easy but i can carie 150 lbs in those conditions
also dnd is a medevil world so every one works the land so it makes sense basic people being jacked
I use blade and capt. America as the model for 20-22 strength characters. But I also think that the 4 foot and 8 foot jump height also says something about the entire world of D&D more so than their listed values. I have to believe that they have a lower gravity but deeper atmosphere on their planets that we do leading to a much more "soupy" air with more oxygen and easier flight for heavier things... also causing wind resistance to bring down the super human oxygen to power movement fuel of these characters. Higher denser oxygen might also give them the endurance they seem to have, and having lived in it their whole lives they also would be adapted to it.
Actually the 24 miles are walked in 16 hours as it includes rests and stops you would take for food or to recover. Its the entire day exluding the 8 hour long rest xd.
Also those are just the base rules for carying capacity, there are the variant rules as well which are much more realistic as you can carry only a weight of x5 times your strength score without any drawbacks.
I’m very disappointed. Spider-Man was in a clip, but he deserved a shout not only for 20 STR, but also for 20 HRT (heart).
Spider-Man would be quite a bit above 20 STR also. I didn't put him in the 20 list because he'd one-shot those guys.
Spider-Man infamously pulls his punches. There's a storyline called Superior Spider-Man where a villain's mind inhabits Peter Parker's body and punches someone's jaw off because he didn't realize how much Parker restrains himself.
Don't forget INT.
Yeah, Spidey is nearing if not at 30 strength. If doing based on pure calcs like here it'd be above 30 but I tend to view the stat increases as non linear, closer to exponential. Spiderman is about top of the level of considering feasible before we get to "look, they're just insanely strong and it's not worth considering how strong other than knowing some are more insanely strong than others."
And honestly- Spiderman could be argued to have a 20+ in every single stat... unless we throw luck out as a stat. He has a 1 there.
Yeah Spiderman makes himself look like 20 STR in most fights but saying his STR is 30 or less is a joke. The first thing I looked at said he lifted a 50 Ton building and that was the Median of the 3 feats I seen. As he likely struggled I will reduce it to 20 tons for the calculation (20 * 2,000 = 40,000 -> 40,000 / 15 = 2667 STR).
And if you need more proof of Spidey's strength, just remember he once punched the Hulk and he FELT IT.
This was some seriously delightful nerdery. I fully support any and all future endeavors in this direction. 😎
A maxed out barbarian with the powerful build feature, that has not encountered any magical manuals, ioun stones, deck of many things, or epic boons, has the same strength as an Iron Golem.
I'd love to see you cover Charisma. Idk how you are gonna calculate that. And I would also like to add as a soldier myself. I can do 12 miles in 3 hours with 35 lbs of gear. I definitely have minimum one level of exhaustion by the end of the 12 miles.
This was great Colo. Please do more if you're up for it.
Thanks!
A character of 20 strength can leap flat footed about 20 feet in the air in this game though, that is incredible strength
Great video. Subbed. Gonna look at your backlog now.
I do appreciate that you understand the characters that you're talking about, like Superman and the anime tropes.
I will say that the average marathon time across all ages is something like 4.5 hours. So the players are going slower and taking more breaks than the average marathon runner. The weight though... well, everyone hates encumbrance rules.
Yeah, if you use encuberance rules, you could get a strength of 20. a 250lb man could carry 315lb (bar plus 3 plates on each side) about 10 ft in 6 seconds. Assuming he has around 2 years of regular strength training. This would put him in the 20+ range of strength.
So a strength of 20 is certainly achievable, but it'll take hardwork and dedication.
These ships Superman was carrying... they seemed pretty impressive too. No single point of their structure is supposed to be able to carry all of their weight. They distribute it among a much larger area.
That's actually one of Superman's lesser known powers. He can basically extend a force field of his own will around objects, preventing them from falling apart while he's lifting them like that.
It's nonsense, but it's canon.
Great explanation. And the thing about "an average peasant is much more strong than you"... One thing I realized recently in my adulthood is how we, city dwellers, are weak and fat, even if you work out.
I've been training at the gym for 20 years, had my problems with it, but always could get healed and return to get heavy weights. Few years ago, started to do some work with concrete, bricks and demolition of a wall or two. It's REALLY a hard work. I'm 1,82 m (6 ft) tall and always lifted heavy weights at gym, and the mason I hired few times is 1,6 m tall, small and do thus stuff easy.
Around 1 year ago, I need to clean my warehouse, alone, and it was VERY difficult to lift a 50 kg cement bag, and a few bags of adehesive mortar.
Few weeks later I started training with a personal trainer with the same fisical apearance of that mason, and he grew up at his family homestead. One day he told me part of his jobs when 12 to 15 years old: cut the pasture and put everything in bags of 60 kg. This guy used to lift one and carry two of these bags at the same time. Now he is not that strong, but still much more than me.
Other thing I saw in the last year is old people (60 to 80 years old) working on countryside like it's no big deal. When we check their feed program, is basically: meat/chicken, eggs, potatos, cassava, few fruits, beans and a few vegies. Some times eat white bread or cake, and this last one is often made at home. At big cities we eat white bread, cookies, soda, butter, chocolate...
Healthy food + daily (functional and necessary) exercise.
So, If average peasant has 10-11 STR, we, common city guys, has the same STR as a human mage/sorcerer, and for women is equal to a halfiling mage/sorcerer 😂
Yeh you're right about that!
Farmer STR is a real thing, and it's ridiculous how small some of them actually are...and then they put you to absolute shame.
Hey panic rolling, I really thought you nailed this video, so much so I checked out your page for more like these and realized your a new content creator. I think your doing really well for how new you are and applaud your video editing and scripts it's professional. Just wanted to give you some praise and let you know you work is appreciated, personally I'd like more content like this super heros or anime characters with true DND stats I can see being a real niche and I'd love to see it, but whatever you do keep it up your doing great 🤙
Just remember the important part. his power is over nine thousand. And so are you for making these videos
At least, Americans didn't create their own units of time
Working on it now.
Law of Specificity. Specialist athletes basically have feats to specifically boost their areas of expertise, some might even have subclasses specific to some specialty.
Great fun video. Loved it!
I’m thinking these stat should be considered in isolation, so it’s lifting and carrying up to 600 lbs for a short distance like 30 feet.
9:32 he lifts a book that is already floating in the air ok lol
I love how you say the numbers hahahaha makes me laugh so hard because of the ridiculousness of everything xD
haha what a cool idea and a lot of work to put it together ! Thank you ! :))
Pushing and dragging are pretty different to lifting capacity, however, perhaps it's pushing or dragging force? Because you can push or drag something mu h heavier than you can lift.
the wide guy beating up on spiderman at the end looked about 20 str to me
Yeh that's Kingpin. He's a big ol boy.
Environment Exists. Superman is now 20 str.
The only ways to explain DnD human's uncanny feats of strength are either that there is either enough interbreeding that they're all semi-fae/orc/dwarf enough to have magically enhanced strength, or the plane of the forgotten realms simply has less gravity than Earth. I think that the latter makes much, much more sense when you combine it with the lore that the atmosphere doesn't end as you fly into "space". The surface air pressure is presumably about the same as Earth because the atmosphere of the Forgotten Realms is much, much taller and under more pressure. That would also help to explain how Dragons can fly- there is less gravity and the air doesn't get thinner as you get further from the ground.
Could also just be magical rules of physics, or simply being magically stronger than a real human.
This is the game where a Lv20 Barbarian can feasibly fall from Orbit without dying. Which would kill you in even planets with lesser (at least not less than 3g) gravity.
It's the other way around though - the lower the gravity, the *more* abruptly you'd expect the atmosphere to thin out.
I never needed to fudge the numbers for superman. I gave him 25 strength and the ability to change gravity at will. It was a limited effect but it changed how the character was treated. When someone has his own gravity and can control gravity damage is delt with differently.
This is a cool idea! Plus, gravity powers are badass.
Fantastic video, super entertaining!
My man Proctiv standing over to the side, "My good man... lemme show you my mountain...."
They could go into business together, renovating whole landscapes and mountain ranges.
dude I love this content, I'm constantly like trying to bounce this off with my friends, my girlfriend and love your work.
Tyvm! I'm glad you're enjoying the nonsense!
You got a big brain bro
I tell myself this all the time!
@@PanicRolling20 Intelligence to gather these information, 18 Wisdom to organize those info and 18 Charisma for presentation :DD
@PanicRolling maybe homlander is better option because he is not so op and will be interesting character to make. Stats about.
Imagine having a STR score of millions and still having a 5% chance of failing to punch a peasant.
Alright--
Disregarding the comic where it was stated he can lift 200quintillion tons while juiced with the suns energy, the most common number I see is 2billion tons. 2 billion tons is 4409245243698lbs, that number divided by 30 is 146,974,841,457 (rounded up)
So going by maximum lift, not maximum carry weight, normal Superman's STR score is 146,974,841,457.
I think I could take him.
In the Army you're final march is with a loaded ruck that weights about 75lbs and for 15 mile march. That shit was brutal. Now double that and and 24 miles. That is crazy.
So it's safe to say his power level is over 9000?
Hehehe
😂😂 I see what you did there
pure strength wise... him and the hulk both...
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Oh yeh. I know ALL the weaknesses. They especially don't like Lightning and Cold dmg.
I made Kal El a Sun Deity in my setting so this is gonna make for a fun strength showcase!
Supes is a straight-up planet buster lol
He sure is. Dude is a monster.
If your DM allows you to use UA, you can create a character with 20 str that has Powerful Build, a Totem Warrior Barbarian trait at level 6, and the Brawny feat, all of which have the base ability of doubling your carry capacity and your weight lifting capacity. So you end up with the ability to carry 2,400 lbs and lift 4,800 with just the base ability score. You can even go further with the Barbarian capstone, raising your score to 24. Note that this is still rediculous if you don't have access to the UA feat Brawny, managing 1,200 carry capacity and 2,400 lifting capacity at STR 20. This can without even taking into account rolled stats, be achieved as early as level 8. Powerful Build can come from a variety of races with the trait (Goliath, Centaur sorta, Orc, Firbolg, etc
Please make more videos like this. Its my first vid of yours and it was awesome!
The thing about supermans infinity feat is that infinity means it goes on forever. At what rate does the infinity increase and how much time has been enacted. If someone calculated that then it would be the heaviest thing ever in the history of entertainment.
The average joe in dnd does boot camp pt regularly.
ive always considered it like lift means how much weight u can put overhead since dead lift is kind of the heaviest lift and since the log press recod is like 500 and like this persons best the idea that this is just normal and youe character can just do that makes it way more in line
I absolutely love comparing superhero abilities with real life earth physics
I had a friend that's good at math help me find out how fast and how hard the HULK needed to run and then jump to clear 3 miles. 300mph+ and 10,000 pounds of force into the ground to clear 3mile jump
I don't understand why some people say, "20 strength basically makes you a god," when it's literally just +5 on rolls. What does that make a Barbarian's capstone 24 strength, super god?
Because 20 Strength gives you the physical fitness of an Olympic athlete as a casual baseline. For normal real world people, a 20 Strength character would be the most physically powerful person on the face of the earth. Making you almost a God Among mortals.
Thank you for this important information. Not sure what I'm meant to apply it to in my daily life. At least all that work earned you my sub.
carrying 150 pounds is all well and good. But can they open my jar of peanut butter? I think not.
That's good video maybe you can make video about homlander stats in dnd? This will be interesting because homlander actually have limits and can you do more than str but tell homlander all stats what you think and etc. Great video!
One more thing that makes Superman impossible to scale strength wise is that his tactile kenisis (that holds whatever he is holding together) would also reduce its weight considerably.
Very fun video to watch. D&D had different rules for strength years ago. You had 18, then a percentage. Like 18 (85). It was kind of weird, and yet, you could go to 19 strength and higher. Every edition changes these rules. A great game that dealt with superhuman strength was Marvel Super Heroes, which did strength and other stats that made more sense at a glance. You had, from my recollection: feeble, poor, typical, good, excellent, remarkable, incredible, amazing, monstrous, and unearthly. You also had special ones called shifts (z and x), class 1000, and then class 5000 (?) i believe. It worked well, and was easy to use at a glance. Weight lifting ability went from pounds to tons. I really think strength weight calculations need to be based off the actual weight of the thing/person/animal than a guessed number. Size sort of works, but an ant can carry much more than it's body weight. A horse can carry way more in real life than the book says. Of course, making this too complicated makes the rules irritating. Sorry. I am jabbering on here unintentionally. The point is, sometimes abstract works better, and sometimes trying to be realistic works better. I usually go for quick and dirty. In the marvel game, if memory serves, amazing strength allowed for lift/press around 50 tons.
Very interesting. I'd love to see your take on charisma next.
24 miles in 8 hrs = 3 miles per hour. Or 1 mile every 20 minutes. That's roughly the average walking speed per a regular adult male. It's that extra 150lbs where things really stand out. For a basic 3 day march in the US military, you're going to be carrying roughly 80lbs of food, ammo, armor, and kit. And let me tell you, every single extra pound will be felt after a certain point. 40lbs more than that and you're going to start seeing injuries during that march guaranteed. Guys in peak physique might be able to handle that but that's considered a serious load.
Yeh this is what I imagined when I was making the video. I'm sure there is someone out there who can perform this march with all of that gear and come out of it unscathed...but to be able to do it every single day without fail?
That's something even very fit individuals wouldn't be able to sustain for very long.
Great idea for a video please do more i went looking on your page for more like this and was sad it was the first . Do the flash next lol
At age 15 I carried 110 lbs on my back for 14 miles in 6 hours while going uphill on the william's creek trail in colorado. I think people in our military regularly do 15 to 20 mile marches under similar conditions. I think a few of the dads in our group were carrying around 140 lbs. This stat from the DMG doesn't seem far off.
To complain about the deadlifting thing causing raised eyebrows. 600 is not the max deadlift capacity. Its how much they can lift and walk around without incurring speed penalties.
I can deadlift 300ish pounds pretty reliably. I could never, backpack or other assistive devices included, pack up 300 pounds and move 30 feet in 6 seconds. Let alone 150 feet in a straight line as a sprint actuon.
So Superman could EASILY beat my God-level character with a Strength stat of 50. That's good to know. This video got you sub by the way.
Yeh he's a bit broken lol! Thanks and I'm glad you enjoyed it!
jsut to that marathon thing i think they could because in 2 hours i walked half a marathon and didnt have anything including water and such so a full marathon would be 4 hours and lets say i was carrying stuff then i doubt it would make it so many times longer and if i got water that would also minus the time and sleep is 8 hours so yeah that sounds right.
It does not follow that a book with infinite pages necessarily has an infinite mass. If the book had an infinite mass (or even just a very high one), it would no longer be a book.
It isn't really a book. They describe it as pages that all occupy the same space, so the measurements are probably way off.
But in the story, it was basically the book from Neverending Story (contains all of history, which means the last page is constantly being written upon and replaced with new last pages for eternity.)
It's absurd lol, that's why I didn't use any of those Feats to actually come up with numbers for him.
It's less fun to just say "yeh he's got infinity STR"
Superman has 30 Str, gets a 100,000,000 multiplier to lifting weights and automatically succeeds any strength or endurance checks. With regard to damage he chooses how much he inflicts since he can shatter dimensions.
Guts is a perfect 20 str with berserker rage to bump up to 24. His armor lets his strength and con go up to 30 incrementally and ignores any fatigue penalties or poison until out of combat.
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Comics also treat vastness of space and FTL as insignificant inconvenience. Hand-waving it like it is some screen or scene change transition.
6:32 Anyone notice that of the jumping stats, vertical with running start is the only one that the irl record (currently) doesn't exceed the character stat?
I know! Our real life athletes are very slightly above average in DnD for those things.
I would also love to see someone tell them that to their faces.
The trick here is he wouldn't have flat strength score to determine his carry capacity or P.D.L. number. His carrying rules would be modified by a racial feature that advise his carry capacity and Push Drag Lift rules treat him as if he was a Gargantuan Creature. Similar to the way a Goliath's treat them as a Large creature despite being a medium still. There could be more features that affect his carry capacity aswell. To say the very least, Superman's race would be outlawed 100%.
I think having a Kryptonian on your team could be awesome if the story took place under a red sun, so they would be mostly normal, but with access to advanced tech.
Then maybe a brief mission or 2 under yellow sun, so you get to be Superman for a few minutes.
Under normal circumstances though, I 100% agree. They'd be broken as hell.
@@PanicRolling 100% for sure, give the one character that plot armor moment. Yeah so a pantheon of gods have made the red sun yellow. Now stop ragnarok you OP MFer. lol
I think a reasonable way to look at it is that up to 20 STR is incremental and 20 to 30 is exponential.
Strength is often treated as a dump stat because of how inflated the standard carrying capacity is. If your game uses the variant rules for carrying, that suddenly makes having decent strength matter.
Ok that was fing awesome, I would kill for you to make this into a series doing each stat compared to a famous fictional characters. I'm gunna sub in hopes of this. I hope it gets lots of views. Ty so much this video rly made my day.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I'll definitely be doing more like this!
First off; nice introduction to the mechanics of strength in D&D. I don't play it (just a bit of experience from video games based around D&D), so it's useful.
For the list of 20 strength equivalents in pop culture, I have to disagree with some, at least as far as 'generally' goes (some iterations may meet the criteria, but usually they will not). Batman is strong, but he's more about brains, gadgets, and skill, not raw power. I mean, he's definitely a natural 'peak human' in many versions, but no way could he run around with 300 pounds AND casually lift another 600 on top of that to throw around for giggles. Not really familiar with Crossbones, but of the people on the list I'd say only Kingpin and Bane are really a solid 'maybe', with Wolverine also being a contender (since he's still fast and strong in spite lugging around a heavy metal skeleton, with his regeneration he could almost certainly pull off the strain of lifting 600 pounds and tossing it, recovering any muscle or tendon damage immediately).
All these guys on the list are pretty much superhuman (as in, beyond what even our best can pull off) by real world standards, but even a base 10 strength human in D&D was established earlier on in this video as being borderline superhuman by that metric (able to comfortably carry around 150 pounds on a 8 hour, 24 mile trek with no downsides, whereas a normal human absolutely would collapse even just attempting something like that, and someone training to do just that would have a _very bad day_ even if they managed to complete the trek in time. I could maybe say the likes of Blade, Captain America, etc. would be equivalent to a ~10-11 strength D&D human, but definitely not 20.
Basically, I'd argue that the weakest on the list might be the equivalent of an average human in D&D, with maybe a few at most reaching the 20 Strength level. This is just based on my limited experience though.
I went on this deep dive also. I was trying to be able to carry any dead body in BG3 which led me on the how strength works and OHH this is actually underwhelming rabbithole
Out of the characters mentioned on the end I'd say Cap would easily cross 20 and be closer to if not 30 or even higher. He's lifted telephone poles large trees thrown his shield fast enough to catch a fired rocket in flight and resisted the force of being *underneath* a launching ICBM in it's silo. Cap is stupidly ridiculously busted...
The fact that Superman needed Shazam’s help means that Superman does not have infinite strength. They say that the book has infinite pages and infinite weight but that’s obviously not true. The book has a fixed weight and that’s why he and Shazam can work together to lift it.
Maybe he just didn't want Shazam to feel left out, so he pretended to need help. 😂