Korra's Introduction and Why Many Couldn't Deal With It
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Ive said this before, if we saw a teenage Korra bending 3 elements instead of..idk 4 year old Korra, id be fine with it.
Aang learned to bend all 4 elements during a war...he had to learn them as quickly as possible. Even at 17 I would have had an issue with Korea being able to bend out of the gate. We see from Roku and other avatars it takes years if not decades to master and train
For me it makes sense, she isn't a master at all, but she can still move a rock but she isn't a master
If Aang could be an air-bending master at the age of 12 when it usually takes years if not decades to become one, then Korra learning 3 out of the 4 elements at a young age is not far fetched considering that the avatar would eventually be able to learn and master all four elements regardless
@@gustavofring8709Aang was my no means a master either. He gad enough tine to get an understanding and move on. And he was a pretty shoddy Earthbender because it is diametrically opposed to Air, his “main” style. Korra having two, sure. Maybe.
But being born a waterbender means that fire should be far beyond her until adulthood
@@FengTheSlayer You forget aang got his "Mastery" arrows because he invented the air scooter ball. His very free and open personality did let him be very prestigious at air bending. But it also had him struggle with earth bending and even his own lax nature made him hesitant to learn fire bending.
4 year old Korra: “I’m the avatar! You gotta deal with it!”
The writers would then spend the next 31/2 seasons destroying Korra’s self confidence and self worth. Nickelodeon decided to help too.
Everyone's self confidence dies after age 4, typically in the teen years, and then again when you become an adult
Good? You being that excited for a life you don't know about always ends up this way because you're too excited without knowing the consequences at age 4 and even once she gets older she's still not mature enough
Shut up you salty bitch
Mako and Asami: Be straight with us Doc, is she ever gonna walk again?
The Doctor: Oh yes she's physically fine, she just found that wheelchair and sat in it.
...
Mako and Asami: Korra, you can walk, you're not paralyzed.
Korra: How dare you two come in here all high and mighty on your two legs and say that to me! I hope you both have sons, beautiful articulate boys and they have their legs taken from them! I pray you know that pain and that hurt!
Mako: DON'T YOU PUT THAT EVIL ON ME KORRA! DON'T YOU PUT THAT EVIL ON US!
Asami: Korra don't you stick that knife in your leg!
@@georgeprchal3924Korra: *Out of anger jab's knife intellect. Only the start whining, literally 4 seconds later while jumping out of the wheelchair*
Asami: Korra, You can walk.
Mako: We'll use this knife to pry it out.
Asami: Now we got two knives in there.
*The trio eventually gets the knife out of The water tribe born Avatar's thigh and her kicking power, which used to be so great, is never that powerful again.*
I gotta say I love The legend of korra Substitution version of the Ricky Bobby can walk seen from Talladega Knights.
You know a water tribe avatar who can't waterbend because of the mentality is actually a much more interesting story than what we got.
It makes sense too, Sokka has the ability to waterbend but his mindset prevents it from happening. I forgot where I read that, but I think it either Bryan or Mike said it.
@@lainiwakura1776That’s hilarious but also really fucked up. Like imagine how many benders there are that never even find out because they simply don’t develop the mentality that corresponds to their element…
What mindset do you need to have to be a waterbender? @@lainiwakura1776
Either that, or a bender who can't control the power they have. Could you imagine she's trying to demonstrate her power, fails because she's a little nervous, but then she hears the White Lotus guys talking to her parents outside and gets flustered and mad and accidently yells at them and stomps her foot at the same time, and fire comes out from her yelling and the ground shakes from her stomp? That would have been curiosity provoking. I still like the scene we got because it's silly in a fun way, but I think that would have been awesome.
@@purpleemerald5299...i could have had sub-zero sokka
I think one of the biggest things I don’t hear people talk about is that Korra has no history.
Aang, Katara and Sokka have pretty fleshed out backgrounds by the 2nd episode. Korra doesn’t have that period, her life has nothing interesting about it until the show starts. Makes it extremely hard to even connect to her compared to side characters in ATLA
That's the point. She has no identity beyond being the Avatar because that's all she's ever known. That's why the series is spent on Korra's self-discovery.
Well, that's the thing. Most of her life was spent living and training in that compound. She didn't have much of a background or any real-world experience which makes it easier for us to connect with her while she learns how Republic city works because we are learning right alongside her. Even though she does have an easily defined personality she is also a bit of a blank slate for us to go along with on the ride.
@@blazingvictory3260 true but that begs the question, why did she need to be in the compound, she knew the 3 elements, shouldn't she have spent all that time at the air temple learning air bending instead of waiting all that time till her teens to learn the last element then mastering them.
Yeah. Aang and the white lotus in their attempts to protect the next avatar ensured that the next avatar would have no life outside or being the avatar and training to do just that. Literaly trying to find who the avatar us as young as possivle and locking them away in a fotress like complex. Thats kind of the point of the story.
@@christopherauzenne5023 she bent a tiny puddle of water. Something any other 4 yo bender woukd be able to do. She still needs to MASTER the elements in the same order.
I always thought that having Korra be a water bender who could only bend Fire would have been far more interesting.
Imagine she went through something similar as zuko where (being as hotheaded as she is) she also draws her bending from anger and have zuko teach her what Iroh taught him in the original series. Would've been a nice callback and some development for the new character while showing she isn't so different from the ones we know.
I had the idea that she was a great combat water bender, but due to her emotions and lack of spirituality she could only heal a wound as small as a papercut
Makes sense, she would obviously have an affinity for fire but water requires calm and spirituality to master, earth requires patience and air requires peace.
YEAH!
That sounds amazing. Being from the water tribe but displaying fire instead of water. Kids might outcast her, and she makes mistakes like melting igloos. Keeps her personality, everyone immediately knows she is the Avatar (keeping the twist of this series alive), and there would be plenty of personal development ahead, all while consistly being compared to the previous Avatar who saved the world.
The idea that the avatar would have access to trainers for all elements, would make sense.
But not at fucking 4 years old.
That's the thing, she didn't. She just intuitively learned/discovered that she could. If we saw how she discovered learned the different bending styles, then it would make a tad more sense.
@theanimekid7839 there's literally no defense for it, besides some meta one regarding the writers
@@theanimekid7839 She was learning how to clean her own ass and discovered she could bend fire? You really think she could INTUIT 3 different mentallities in time before the White Lotus could reach her? We KNOW she didn´t have contact with other bender BECAUSE SHE IS 4, she is bending at the level she basically will the rest of her life outside of the Avatar state before she could learn what 2x4 even means
I mean, by that logic. How did Katara learned she was a waterbender? Her mother didn't tell her, nor her father. She just heard stories of what happened to the waterbenders in her tribe, but not that she had the ability.
She probably learned she could waterbend by accident. There were no masters or anyone to teach her, yet, by the time the show starts, she is able to pick up fishes in floating water bubbles, freeze people, and break down icebergs in outbursts of emotion. She is clumsy and has no clear sense of direction of course; however, Korra lives in different times (there are radios and newspapers and more methods of transportation).
It is not outrageous to infer that Korra knew of stories of the Avatar, as a kid idolizing the figure, and when she started having control of the elements she dedicated to that. After all, the reason the White Lotus visited her house, was because they heard reports of a child bending the elements, most likely due to Korra excitedly experimenting and already eager to learn how to fight with them.
@danielmunoz1275 Katara already knew she was a waterbender before her mother died. Also, her being a waterbender is not the issue; her being a water, earth, and firebender is the issue.
That airbending spirituality route starts to fall apart when you consider what made her airbend was hardly spiritual
And when you think about it some more, the scene actually fits with a water bender mindset much more than an air bender. She has had her bending taken away and sees Mako in danger, someone she cares about. Adaptation to change though love.
I’m gonna chalk it up to anyone learning bending at convenient times in this show. Wasn’t the first time and won’t be the last.
I’m a former assistant preschool teacher who specifically worked with 4 year olds; 4 year olds barely have the focus to eat their own lunches, let alone to “master” 3 different skills at the same time 😑
Yep, I worked at an Early Learning Centre for a few months. I was specifically in the 3-4 year olds room, and it was a struggle to get them to stay focused on eating their food long enough, before they could go out side to play. Trying to cycle the lunches if 10 kids was a nightmare, because they'd get too distracted by what the other kids were doing in the room or what the others were eating.
So yeah, while I could believe that a 4 year old Kora could accidentally discover her ability to fire-bend via a temper tantrum, there is no way she'd be able to pull off water and earth on top of that.
@@BrightWulph circle time was the worst!
I think we're throwing around "master" a bit to easily....she demonstrated talent and basic ability but that didint mean she was by any sense elite In these forms
I've had six kids, the youngest just turned 5, and yeah a 4 yo has a hard enough time mastering putting their shoes on the right feet.
@@dakotastein9499 okay then: she didn't master the elements. she bended the elements flawlessly
you don't need to be a master to do something flawlessly. but that's what she did at 4 freaking years old. still bad.
"A good story can save bad art, but good art can't save a bad story."
- Mr. Enter
Good thing Legend of Korra is a good story with good art 😂
@@sarahcox1197define "good."
@@sarahcox1197 L take.
Well said.
Frankly, Korra kind of had the same problem the prequels had.
They had all the 'concept' guys, but they didn't hire the 'no' guy.
This sounds weird but hear me out.
The one person who didn't join in with the Korra team was Aaron Ehasz, who ended up working on The Dragon Prince which had that "Avatar" feeling to it and I highly suggest watching.
BUT continuing on, from the various interviews and so on, Aaron served as a 'grounding' personality, someone who'd pretty much pull the leash on the other 2 directors basically saying "no thats stupid, we cant do that" and so on. They wanted to really push the fan service, Aaron said no, they wanted to go over the top with a lot of stuff, Aaron also said no. And judging what was in Korra, there was probably a few times they wanted to insert their own personal nagging nitpicks of society or something, and Aaron said no.
The prequel trilogy had the same problem, as George Lucas wasn't the only one who worked on the original StarWars trilogy, and had a similar 'no' guy that wasn't there for the Prequels, due to George directing 'one of the best sci-fis' they effectively said 'if we give em free reign, then he's make a banger. Then JarJar happened.
While there will be complaints as 'it was only planned to be one season, you cant critique it for Nickelodeon messing with their schedule and expectations', there are not that many problems with the show that directly link up to Nickelodeon's flippant whims. A lot of the problems are connected more heavily to the creative concepts rooted to a lot of the show's initial creation, as opposed to the fact they expected only one season, then got four, had two removed, and so on.
Thomas Knoll - the founder of Adobe - wrote the entire screenplay for the Phantom Menace as a fan-fic.
He pitched it to Lucas while working on the new digital effects being added to the Remastered OT.
I went to the elementary school that his wife started for their kids. They rented out an entire theater so the whole school could watch it on opening day.
This, Aaron truly was the GOAT, I don't think ATLA would be considered as good as it today without him.
What do you mean we can't have a giant mech battle with lasers in a setting that is a generation removed from medieval agrarian society?
@@bad-people6510Abe that even currently has barely breached into the Industrial Revolution
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor Suuuuure.
The 3 points guy is pretty easy to tear down
1) She didn't to be freaking 4 for that
2) Her level of proficiency while not "masterful" is well beyond beginner *and she's 4*
3) For Aang's accomplishments, we see that happen on screen, while Korra becomes an elemental master without having any kind of journey or growth. Even Airbending is something she's just basically given without earning.
I agree with 1 and 2 but 3 I'm different on, she was mentally and spiritually beaten down especially after losing her ability to bend Earth, Water and Fire. Then seeing her (At the time) love interest in serious danger. I'm ok with her unlocking Air bending after going through so much, yes it could've been done better but id say what we got was decent enough.
@@jobyray4868
"Going through so much" isn’t how you gain the ability to bend elements. You train both physically and mentally to bend an element, and the original show made it pretty clear that having the correct mindset wasn’t the only requirement. That being said, passion is literally the opposite of the airbender mindset, which is closer to detachment. TLoW seems to go out of its way to violate all the rules and themes the original show carefully and deliberately put in place.
What? Any decent 4 yo that can bend would of been able to do what korra did with their respective element.
@@jobyray4868 She lost her bending then immediately got Air Bending. Rather than that having consequences or Aang sending her on a spiritual journey before unlocking the rest of her powers, he simply gives them back and thus she got Airbending through what can be described as "a moderate inconvenience"
@@robertharris6092 That is demonstrably incorrect, but ok...
Introduce a 4 year old korra barely being able to bend earth, she did this while stubbornly not wanting her veggies or something, nothing too big just shooting a rock at her father or something.
White lotus takes her away and we cut back to korra as a teenager using earth and fire bending while struggling with water and not being able to bend air.
Plot point is she is made fun of, being a water bender but bad at water bending renforces her fire and earth mentalities.
Make her main element the one she struggled with the most to mirror ang the best
This, her being able to bend multiple elements at 4 is less of an issue than how it was introduced + her level of competence.
Also, the idea of an avatar being poor at bending their native element is actually a really good idea, especially if you make the reason she's bad at waterbending overlap with why she's bad at airbending. Her brute-forcing problems instead of flowing and adapting is a clear character flaw she'd have to overcome. Great place to start with a main character.
I mean, this could've been good; however you're overlooking 2 VERY IMPORTANT factors when writing a story (specially for a movie and/or show)
1-Character introduction: this is very important as it defines purpose, audience perception, and it sets the basis for future conflict in the story.
For Korra, she's an eager and talented kid that is focused and excited to be the Avatar, she also has a strong and upfront personality. All of this is conveyed in that single scene.
2-Time constrains and pacing: When writing a book, pacing can be slower and the writer can describe things and situations in more detail. Your idea is very fitting for a novel or if the first season was green-lit for more episodes so that the pacing could've been slower for characters' introductions.
Also, most of what you propose are things that we (the audience) can infer. If this was a novel, ok tell us in detail, but if this is a movie or show we need to move things along. As an example, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone novel describes how Harry and Hagrid are going from one store to another buying school materials, while also serving as a lore dump for the reader. Harry meets Draco Malfoy inside one of this stores as well. Meanwhile, in the movie adaptation, Harry just quickly reads what he needs to buy, and we jump to the important parts: Harry taking a look at the Nimbus 2000, entering to Olivander's Wand shop, and finishing with Hagrid showing that he got him an Owl. Harry doesn't meet Malfoy until he's in the castle waaaay later than he does in the novel.
The movie told us the important events and rearranged others in benefit of pacing and meeting time constraints.
This is the same with Korra. Showing how she slowly discovered she could bend each element is a nice idea, but it is not helpful to the pacing, the number of episodes, and it'd made for a weaker introduction to her character.
@@danielmunoz1275 ironic that you bring this up. I write my own stuff, and that scene was HORRIBLE. It told me a lot about Korra, none of it good. I didn’t even bother following the show past the first episode in its original run. It breaks the lore (how the heck is Korra able to bend three elements at age four when it has been pretty glaringly established that the Avatar has to be TOLD that he or she is the Avatar, which means none of them could bend even a second element by age 16?) and tells me Korra is brash and in your face, traits that I rather dislike in a main protagonist. If you have a short running time, don’t write a story needing more time for it to be taken seriously.
@@John-fk2ky And that most of that sounds like a you problem rather than an objective one.
You don't like Korra's initial personality, ok... so?
That made you, not wanting to watch the show. Ok... so?
The only thing I agree on here, is the fact that it's not good to try to make a story that clearly needs more time/episodes to be properly told, but that's the unfairness of the industry. Because if you think the people who directly worked on this wanted to make a bad show, the you're telling me you only want someone to point down as the enemy, rather tan actually making a fair assessment.
I've watched reactions tha have liked Korra's cocky attitude, and others who are surprised by it. So no, objectively it is not a bad introduction to her character, you just simply, on a personal level don't like it.
About the pre-established lore. As far as we know, none of the Avatar we knew before have bended other elements besides the native one before being told they're the Avatar; however, it has never been stated or set in stone that it is impossible. Also, we do not know all the Avatars' stories to know for sure either. So this logic of yours is speculation.
If anything this situation is saying that yes, an Avatar could bend other elements other than their native one and realize they're the Avatar that way.
Furthermore, what difference does it really make? 17-18 year old Korra couldn't prevent herself from getting captured by the Red Lotus, and she was fully trained there, while kid Korra could barely do the basics of 3 elements. Her depended only on Sokka, Tenzin, and the White Lotus to stop the Red Lotus from kidnaping her. So... You're only calling the scene bad on the basis that you don't like her character and it makes her look like a "Mary Sue", but outside of the end of S1 she doesn't have Mary Sue moments.
@@danielmunoz1275 >"I mean, this could've been good; however you're overlooking 2 VERY IMPORTANT factors when writing a story (specially for a movie and/or show)
1-Character introduction:"
Literally no one could overlook that character introduction, and it is well-addressed.
>"this is very important as it defines purpose, audience perception, and it sets the basis for future conflict in the story.
For Korra, she's an eager and talented kid that is focused and excited to be the Avatar, she also has a strong and upfront personality. All of this is conveyed in that single scene."
It explicitly antagonized the audience. Also, the spin on this is crazy. Just because all of that is "conveyed" in one scene does not mean it is done effectively.
>"2-Time constrains and pacing: When writing a book, pacing can be slower and the writer can describe things and situations in more detail. Your idea is very fitting for a novel or if the first season was green-lit for more episodes so that the pacing could've been slower for characters' introductions. "
How many episodes are necessary for competent characterization, and how many episodes did they have? AtLA didn't have any problems characterizing Aang very quickly and without antagonizing the audience.
>"Also, most of what you propose are things that we (the audience) can infer."
"Because something is communicated means it should never be communicated better."
>"If this was a novel"
You've brought up novels twice to prop up an argument where that narrative medium was never brought up before. It's desperate and everything after trying to insert it into this discussion can be ignored as nonsense.
Aang being a air bender master at age of 12 was also odd but it was necessary to his story because he is the last airbender. Korra being able to bend all 3 elements as a toddler didn't contribute to story at all. It's just there to show audience "Look she is better than Aang".
Actually it does contribute to the story. It shows that she's known she's the Avatar from a very young age, which contributes to her identifying herself only as the Avatar and therefore paves the way for her to develop an identity beyond that.
While I agree with most of what you said, I don't think the point was to show that she was better, but that she was different. The writers wanted to make it absurdly clear that Korra was the opposite of Aang.
It wasn’t written to show that “she’s better than Aang”. It was written to show the inverse of Korea’s character to where although she’s a bending prodigy lacks discipline which is her entire character arc, while Aang is the opposite of that. In other words Aang is a spiritual and humble person who needs to learn to embrace the role of the avatar put upon him while Korra is the avatar who needs to be spiritual and humble
If it was like oh she didn’t respect bending and after Amon took it she gotta readjust I would’ve accepted it
@@ShadyDoorags and I think they did a pretty good job. I mean I only watched the first season, as she was very hotheaded and stubborn. 😂 like girl was ready to throw hands at the drop of a hat
Korra being much better at firebending when she is young due to her personality and her, by contrast, very lacking natural waterbending skills being a sore spot for her that she needs to overcome as she gets older sounds like a much more interesting character path than what they ended up giving us.
Agree
You mean like someone who is really good at earth bending, but airbending is super difficult, because of their personality?
@@boomboomskidskid If that person is a born airbender, then yes
To me the writers for Korra S1 wanted everything to be the opposite for The Last Airbender. Aang knows wind and needs to learn 3 elements? Korra can already bend 3 elements and needs to learn wind. Aang travels to multiple nations and sees the whole world? Korra visits 1 city and does not leave. Aang's group briefly touches on romantic relationships? Korra's group has nothing but romantic relationships and drama
Making TLOK *GARBAGE* in every possible way
@@tophbeifong7602 it has its moments but not as good at TLA
That one city is also supposed to be a combination of all the other 3 nations.
THe problem with the romance is Aang and Katara's relationship was built up gradually from the first episode to the end, to where it felt satisfying and earned. Korra's interest in Mako and then Asami basically came out of no where and felt crowbarred in, more so Asami who she barely interacted with.
For the first point. Its moore that korras a very dirrect and physical person (her personel/best element is earth, not water. An avatars best element isnt always their birth element). And shes good at fighting and bending the elements. But she lacks any sort of spirituality. Which aang excelled at. Pretty good comparison of the era ATLA is based on and the 1920s america TLOK is based on.
I among many others could not "deal with it"
I dealt with it, but yeah - it just wasn't as good. It had some good visuals though.
Yeah, can't fault you. The first season was good but that was more because of Amon than Korra. And the second was a Tumblr-tier shipfic with the only redeeming quality was the story on the first Avatar before Korra was cool with severing the link to the previous.
Would not
I dealt with it . Aang's problems were interpersonal. He lost his people because he was the avatar; this made it hard for him to accept the role he was given. Aang also struggled with earth bending because it went against what he was taught as a nomad. When it came to water Aang was more than willing to pick it up and exceled at it to the point it made Katara someone who has been practicing waterbending for way longer jealous of his progress.
Korra at four doesn't have her own established identity and was given the best teachers in a stress free environment. Of course she would pick up the basics if we look back to how easily Aang did.
The saddest thing about this show is that it had amazing potential. I loved seeing how this world had progressed after Ang saved it. It was cool to see the new locations, technology, conflicts and politics. Yet, it just all fell flat the more you compared it to the original or looked at it from a storytelling perspective.
Seeing Shady’s video has only proven this more. Great video by the way, man.
The Airbenders part could've actually be used to explore a possibility of the Avatar not being needed anymore with different organizations being formed to fight the battles the Avatar couldn't.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105Yeah, that too. Maybe that could’ve tied into Kora struggling with her water bending because she felt threatened by things changing. Linking to what Shady said.
LoK lost whatever goodwill Amon and the equalists had built up with the advent of season two. Seeing Wan was a horrible idea as the first avatar was something that is better imagined than seen. The origin of the Avatar being a battle of good vs evil kites is probably one of the worst ideas those writers ever had. However a close third after those two is having Jinora be the savior, the avatar is the bridge between the human and spirit worlds unless you’re like a super good airbender then you can do the bridge thing a million times better than the actual bridge. Seriously what kind of cactus juice were these people drinking? LoK died for me after that I don’t care how good Zaheer is (don’t know anything at all about the metal kingdom arc other than it introduced mechs which is something else I hate it’s Avatar not friggin Gundam) Lok only had one season.
And of course Korra decided that, "I want to live in a world where if an alien spirit touches you, it'll mutate you horribly! So everyone has to live with that!"
@@hubertcalculus34 Yup, the Spirit Portals and leaving them open was a terrible idea. Yeah sure some spirits are harmless but they are by in large, an invasive species. Hell the only reason they entered the human world in the first place is cause Vaatu opened a bunch of spirit portals to be a dick.
They did Mako dirty. A majority of the Fandom thinks he's boring, but he had an interesting background they never expanded on. He's an orphan that had to join gang to survive an provide for Bolin. He just wanted a quiet and stable life. Also they never expanded on the various crimes syndicate of republic city, but then I think it would play out like low tier watchmen.
I think that's the problem,if it's up to Mako he'd stay out of trouble and do safe 9 to 5 jobs
@@leobuana7430 Just have the problem affect him anyway
@@leobuana7430 you never heard of the call dragging the reluctant hero in, no matter how much they want to stay out of it. Usually through the events effecting them personally either directly or indirectly via a family? member?
@@strategicperson95 Exactly, they could have had Mako try to stay having a normal 9-5 life, but Bolin being young and smitten with Kora keeps allowing himself to be dragged into trouble. Thus Mako, wanting to keep his brother safe decides to tag along.
Like there, a simple fix to the reluctant hero that is Mako to have him be a part of Team Avatar.
Didn't they name him in honor of Iroh's og voice actor too? Then they completely ruin his character.
Disrespectful
Actually, there's a really simple solution to this. If her father were a firebender, it would address all the issues. She is naturally talented at waterbending but idolizes her father and has always wanted to be a firebender. By mimicking his moves, she accidentally discovers that she is also a firebender, although not very skilled at it. Knowing she is the Avatar, she tries earthbending and finds that she has a natural aptitude for it. Growing up in the South Pole with a firebender father taught her to stand her ground for her family, which is why she excels at earthbending.
This dynamic would add much more depth to her character and explain her harsh and rough personality. She excels at waterbending but avoids using it because of her tribe's animosity toward her father. Her frustration with her poor firebending skills leads to random outbursts of powerful firebending, causing destruction and making her have a love-hate relationship with firebending. She sees the good it can do through her father but feels like she's proving her tribe right about firebenders being inherently bad.
She primarily uses earthbending because she was forced to be strong growing up. Her inability to airbend stems from her emotional and earthly problems with all the other emotions blocking her abilities.
Bravo
ATLA > TLOK
*THAT"S THE TRUTH AND YOU BETTER DEAL WITH IT*
I like tlok more
No really disagrees with that. Avatar fans fighting wars and battles with fitments of their imagination
@@ComicsAvatar its ok to like bad things. I like the doom movie from 2005, and that thing is hot garbage that gets by on its action scenes
@@spenceroconnor3841 I'm so glad I'm not alone.
No one is arguing that. Even the people who like TLOK can’t deny that
On the surface, I actually love the line, "I'm the Avatar, you gotta deal with it!" It stands in stark contrast to Aang's "I never wanted to be." It's a good way to show that Korra is very much not Aang. I have said this on previous videos talking about the two but I think the writers went so far in the opposite direction to make sure Korra wasn't Aang, that they forgot to make Korra likable. Or worse, they unintentionally made her an a-hole but everyone in the story pretends that she somehow isn't or is justified. And then of course, the deeper problem with that line is that it breaks Avatar lore in that even beginning to bend takes a lot of practice. Katara was still struggling to do the basics by the time she was 14. That would make Korra a giga-savant to do that at 4 without formal training. Had Korra been born in say Republic City and been surrounded by other benders, I'd be more willing to buy that she learned how to do that by watching others. Whom did she learn that from in the South Pole?
Could have even had her using the elements more instinctively instead - not so much raw talent but raw power; could perhaps have been demonstrated with her being a problem child, especially if they replaced the water bending proficiency with air bending proficiency.
Have her get into a fight with another kid (and age her up at least a few years); flames are spitting out of her mouth and fingers when her temper is flaring, the ground is cracking and bits of earth are flying in random directions when she stomps and smacks the ground, and she keeps flying about wildly on sudden bursts of air when she moves. All coming to demonstrate that while Aang was a prodigy who more or less just needed to refine techniques to access the elements, Korra is a monster who needs to learn self control before she accidentally blows up or sinks a continent.
@@DBArtsCreators It'd have been totally different if we saw her learning to control her overwhelming power instead of instantly being a master.
There were absolutely buckets of potential that got wasted on this show IMO
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agreed
Even if she was a little proficient in the other elements why is she able to fire bend easily. Wasn't it established that avatars have extra trouble bending their opposite element.
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Insofar as they are aligned to their innate element; and the only Avatar we know had trouble with his opposite was Aang (which was more due to his mindset and personality than anything else).
Aang was a source of balance that ran from a world in turmoil and had to learn to balance not only himself but the world around him. Korra was basically handed her abilities and an already stable world thanks to Aang. IMO it was her being THE NEXT avatar that made her unrelatable. Imagine if they had jumped forward a few hundred years instead of just a few decades and circumstances around the world had destabilize again. It would have shown that not only does the avatar cycle repeat, but the world does too.
I could see it being the one after Aang working, though probably done a bit differently than what they went with.
The thing is, the one who comes in after one of the greats is always going to face unimaginable pressure to live up to their legacy. What's more, a lot of times people who opposed what said greats' stood for take their passing as a chance to try and fight against what they built now that they're not around to lead it.
That's certainly something that could make for an interesting set up...but I don't think it works for the format they had of devoting an entire season to one problem or group, or getting bogged down in the politics of one location for so long.
Personally, I think they should have taken a cue from Xiaolin Showdown and had a bunch of factions and potential bad guys, each with their own agenda and working at the same time, all competing against each other as well as the heroes. Imagine Amon (who's straightforward, not a closet waterbender) and the Red Lotus fighting Kuvira because even if they have different overall goals, they're both against her repeating the path of Jin the conqueror. Or have descendants of firebender holdouts ("Sozenist" perhaps) trying various strategies to either overthrow the royal family or lead a separatist movement in order to carry on Ozai's legacy. All these little problems, plot points, enemy relationships and rivalries developing apart from Korra's involvement could make for a great story to follow, one that forces her and her friends to hop around the world while coming to grips with how fast it's all changing.
I think they made the right call. The writers stated they did not want to do Aang's adventure again. It was time for a fresh start. Korra also wasn't handed her abilities. Korra had something Aang didn't and that was formal education and the time to learn and pratice her abilities. Korra had 18 years to learn from the best in the world. Aang only had a year to learn the elements and it wasn't all dedicated to learning the elements more like a few months of actual practice because he was constantly being chased all over the world.
Stable world like how the Red Lotus plotted to kidnap Korra and turn her into a weapon, spiritual unrest in the South Pole, Equalists in Aang’s city?
What are you talking about?
And we did see the cycle repeat Lorra has civil wars, dictators, slaves etc. the world will always go between chaos and peace gods and evil
I think you didn’t understand the show 😅
It's almost like a certain element of the Avatar writing team that checked the worst impulses of DiMartino and Konietzko were missing from Korra.....🤔
Honestly they everyone suffered for it, they lost him from writing in more avatar stuff and he went on to create one hell of a mid show.
@@9TrixieTurner6Wait, what show did he make?
@@purpleemerald5299the dragón prince.
@@9TrixieTurner6 I have heard next to nothing about that since its original premiere. Everyone just seemed to forget about its existence, including me. XD
@@purpleemerald5299lol that makes sense, everyone was expecting another atla then when it was just so meh people lost interest.
My wife got me into AtLA by showing me the whole series on DVD. I learned about TLoK and she said, 'no, don't bother with Korra, it's not as good.' I listened to her, and I've never second-guessed that decision: life is too short to humor self-indulgent writers, and that goes for any medium.
So you never saw the legend of Korra ? As a fan of the franchise I can straight up tell you that is not that bad as people make it out to be
So you never saw the legend of Korra ? As a fan of the franchise I can straight up tell you that it is that disappointing as people make it out to be
Eh, I’d rather just check out stuff I’m interested in, regardless of the writer’s personality. Life is too short to be constantly checking if I care about how the people behind a project act.
Same here
The only difference is I quit Legend of Korra before it ended because of how Lin was treated when dealing with certain family issues
It was... frustrating for abuse victims
Maybe watch it make up your own mind
You make a good point that just because Korra is a water bender doesn’t mean she has to be initially good at it. It actually would have been really interesting to see her be good at every element except her natural one and see her struggle with that.
Also a important part of Katara learning how to water bend was after they took a water bending scroll from a group of pirates that showed water bending techniques through movement. So I really do agree with you there.
I stand by that the intro to Korra is 100% solved by having Korra only firebend. The White Lotus guys come in and they're like "Alright, why are you so certain that she's the avatar?" And Korra comes in firebending and her parents are just like "We don't have any firebending in our lineage... She's fully Water Tribe." And the White Lotus are skeptical but bring her with them all the same to test the theory and they give her training in the other elements, but she just can't stick Airbending. It all meshes together because Korra does display aspects that are conducive to Earth and Water bending, but a young her being so hot headed that she bypasses her natural bending ability and goes right to firebending would make sense. Firebending, of all the bendings, IS a bending you can just kinda force out with high emotional states. It's not the proper way, but Zuko's fire bending for a long time was fueled by hatred. Korra's natural hot headed energy fueling her firebending more easily than the others jives.
And it contributes to the state of the world that TLoK presents: In a world where nations are essentially gone and all sorts of benders are mixed together, a Water Tribe girl being a Firebender can raise eyebrows, but it's not necessarily a sign she's the Avatar. It's a good case to present, but not a guarantee. We could even have the White Lotus guys be like "Well, sure, we have an Earth Nation kid using waterbending the other day, this doesn't mean your daughter's the avatar... but it's worth a try to give her a closer look." And give her the like proper avatar tests. Immediately establishes that she's non-conventional and neither is the world anymore but none of it technically breaks the system.
They could also do the toy test, the Avatar is always drawn to the same toys and that's how it was figured out Aang was it.
This is a Great Idea! Maybe Bolin is another "test kid" an earthbender from firebenders (its a con so that at least Bolin can have food or the brothers genuinely don't know their lineage.) This is good because Bolin doesn't do anything in the first season aside from being a fakeout love interest and it gives Korra a non-romantic peer bond to work off of. We flash forward to when Korra is 8-12ish the moment it is determined that Korra is the avatar (she took the test or unlocked another element). Bolin is a good sport about it "too much responsibility anyway" and the white lotus let him stay because otherwise he goes back to poverty. Flash forward again (17 yr old) to where we are in the series +Bolin. Korra has mastered two of the elements, is proficient in one and is unable to bend one. Tenzin still provides an escape route but he is also bringing Bolin back to Central City so can earn his own living. Korra catches a ride. This means the meeting of Mako is different as well. Bolin is going to meet his brother for the first time in over decade and Korra is interesting in competitive bending. Good news Mako need subs because his other teammates left. I don't know what happens from here.
Korra gets someone to have inside jokes with and you can throw in a fight between the two that isn't just for shipping (hindsight 20/20 introduce Opal earlier and give Bolin childhood crush and skip the first love triangle entirely). Mako and Bolin no longer have the same backstory. Mako could have been more involved with crime than anyone suspects so Korra and Mako have a bigger confrontation. I think this would make the group more tightly knit while keeping the events and motivations still mostly intact.
@@lainiwakura1776While I definitely like the idea, I like it more that the White Lotus are effectively one of the only ways to find an Avatar. It meshes with the state of the world, a major theme of Avatar. "The world is nothing like it used to be." Habing the current generation of ATLA be witness to that, as well as bringing in a new generation that knows nothing of how it used to be, can be great breeding ground for storytelling. Again, though, where ATLA was great at establishing the world that these characters live in, LOK fails at characterization and world building over and over. They provide good INFORMATION, buy the delivery is often lack luster.
Also, it makes sense people wouldn't use that tactic to find the Avatar anymore as they are significantly less spiritual than they once were.
Imagine the drama of Tonraq suspecting Senna of infidelity until it’s proven Korra’s the avatar. Or maybe he doesn’t suspect her at all but everyone else does until Korra’s identity is confirmed.
@@zachanikwano On the one hand, I like the idea. On the other hand, it sounds like a little TOO much drama.
I imagine the writers thinking they only had one season to work with didn't help anyone write the first season better.
EACH season had this problem. Nick screwed with them hard, and threw it onto Nicktoons Network (which is supposed to be for reruns that aren't profitable for ads anymore)
We all know it's impossible to write a good story with only 264 minutes to work with
You say that like only having one season is an intrinsically bad thing that prevents quality writing? Plenty of great series only have one season. Korra fucked up HARD before it ever reached its second season…if anything, most people agree that its writing somewhat improved in its final seasons. I’ve never understood this idea that being limited to one season somehow held them back…
@@purpleemerald5299 it's not that, it's being told last-minute that they had another season. three times.
Not-being-told-at-all would have been better, but being told late kind of jolted them.
@@KairuHakubi That I can at least somewhat understand.
What’s funny is, we would later get a story about an Avatar who was bad at their native element. In rise of Kyoshi, we see that our favorite have Air Nomad earth Avatar not be great at Earthbending at first due both to having too much raw power and adapting a subservient lifestyle to survive on the streets until being adopted by Kelsong.
This is what i unfortunately deem as Moffat syndrome, where a writer gets too attached to their addition into something’s universe and insists on making it the best and most important in the same way Stephen Moffat made Sherlock and the doctor all power central übermensch that everyone loves and wants to kill, kora is the best because without any training at all she can do what took aang literal seasons to do, and is a child when doing it despite the fact aang didn’t even know he could until he was 12
Seen both series and I definitely agree.
Is that why she gets put through the ringer throughout the entire series?
One of the first rules in writing is “kill your darlings”, if it’s unnecessary, it shouldn’t be there.
And yet, the writers also have this weird fetish for brutalizing Kora at every opportunity they get too.
15:21 temper tantrum. When she kicks her feet she kicks up small pillars, when she throws her hands she moves water, when she screams she breaths fire
I wonder if they thought they were riffing on the Avatar State, suggesting like she's got a more minor version of it going. That feels like something these writers would come up with, they understood the setting so poorly.
I’m not sure how you could rewrite Korra’s overall story to make it better, but I know how you could make her intro better.
Keep her at this young age, but make it so she can’t control the elements she puts out. Like she’s afraid to reach for something because she isn’t sure if a flame will lash out. Garner some sympathy the audience can connect with.
She’s scared and her family is scared and aren’t sure what to do.
Make one of the White Lotus elders who travels to her home Katara, that way you have an established character Korra can make a connection with right off the bat.
Sorry for the long comment, but that thought has been in my head for a long time now.
Long? This is barely medium lenght, pal! And you made a good point!
That sounds a little too cheesy in my opinion
I dunno that would make sense for a four year old testing what waterbending she could do and accidentally setting the couch on fire i would be scared shitless XD
@@arkdraellhelldrake4079 indeed, though it was mostly the extra spacing that made it so long.
I think the show was sunk the moment they were like "hey you know that fantasy show where, over the course of a year, the characters visit a wide variety of different locales and meet a bunch of different and interesting people? Let's do a sequel that focuses on boring dull as dishwater 1910s New York, which is having political problems. and also pro sports are a major part of it."
That will always go down in history along with "Rugrats? the show where babies can talk and have adventures? let's add a baby character who can do neither" as one of the worst and most bafflingly terrible decisions.
Honestly, this is one of the shorter comments I've seen.
The "don't tell them until they're 16 rule" is when they tell them. They KNEW Aang was the avatar early in when he picked toys owned by previous avatars. But i agree with you about HOW they found out she was the avatar.
While many like this series, I’ve never liked Korra just because I can’t stand Korra’s character, and this scene doesn’t help
On the note of the infamous scene, and ways to do it better, while jiving with established lore:
Iroh invented Lighting Redirection by studying Water Bending.
Lava Bending was developed(at one point as this gets redone a few times when the art is rediscovered) by Roku mixing a Fire-Bending and Earth-Bending style and mind set.
Prodigies(and the Lion Turtles) have established that bending all stems from the same source.
Imagine the entire scene plays out like it does to start; South Pole, White Lotus, Mom's cleaning a mess, parents are totally sure their daughter's the avatar...
Then we here a frustrated grunt/scream, and we cut to Korra who is performing a basic Water-Bending form, but is INSTEAD Fire Bending. She then moves to a different form, but because she's 4 and hot-headed/stubborn, she manages to do minor Earth Bending, and is upset she can't do the Water-Bending like gran-gran Katara showed her.
This establishes her dominant personality traits, the fact she IS a prodigy of bending, the unification of bending styles in the last century, and gives her a fault to grow on... all while NOT attacking the audience, or harshly breaking anything lore wise, AND firmly establishing that she is VERY CLEARLY the Avatar, even if no one's told her yet. It would also help if the South Pole actually had a couple fire and earth benders, to lead to a bit of family drama that could be explained in a flashback with Korra's first Fire or Earth bending, with it being hand waved away a bit tastefully when said parental conflict invokes the first occurence of the second element... all while, as Shady points out here, demonstrating why (in this scenario) Korra having a Water-block and aversion to change makes a LOT of sense.
Lavabending is far more in line with how water bending moves and functions than firebending
Yeah, earth + heat is lava, but pure ice waterbending is stylistically like earthbending. Hell, in the few earth v lava matchups we see the lavabender just takes the rocks thrown at him and turns them around on their thrower(bolin even exclames that he cant fight the guy, hes only giving him more ammo). And redirecting your opponents offense into your defense or own attack is something that is the focus of waterbending, and the thing Iroh takes from waterbending to create lightning redirection.
Not to mention the whole fluid dynamics, which is not something firebending deals with in the slightest...
I think with a little rewriting this scene could be good.
1. Korra should only be able to bend 2 elements Earth and Fire being great at Fire and ok at Earth. Great at Fire as her personality matches it course it'll still be low tier cause she doesn't have the stance, similar to Aang yes but different enough it can be it's own idea.
2. Make her 8--10 even 12, I can believe she can learn to bend 2 elements at that age especially if they aren't great. The environment is harsh so a story can be she went out and a storm hit and she started a fire by accident and when home she kept pushing it till she accidently does earth as well.
3. Don't make her state she's the avatar. The lotus can be visiting the tribe (as they know an avatar will be born of that tribe, it's a matter of when) so they can tell her she's the avater, she gets full of herself but that's fine as that is her personality in the early seasons.
I know the goal, make Korra the opposite of Aang even down to personality type but even then the exacusion is bad and the personality doesn't match as Shady stated she should struggle with water not so much Air.
I disagree we don't need to have her learn different bending add different age because that would be way too close to aang's story arc
@@animezilla4486 I agree to a degree. While it may be similar, with how different the characters are it'll still be different but it won't be like Aang that she needs to learn everything just advance moves. Or They can make it she learns while watching fighting in pro bending. My point is the concept is there for Korra to be good it just some fine turning here and there.
Animezilla has a point. If you want all that just watch Avatar The Last Airbender. There is no point in making Korra's story a carbon copy of Aang's. Imagine if we lived in an alternate timeline where your idea was accepted. People would be calling Korra an Aang knock off and forums would be questioning why they are wasting their time watching a rehash of a story they already know and love?
@@kappadarwin9476 It won't be a rehash, it depends on excision. Similar beginnings s sure but different ends different goals with the characters, the world itself, even how bending is seen. It's just a concept, an idea I had and at the end of the day, I'm a single guy not a team working and getting paid. No hate just wanted to defend my point.
I think it's kind of a big problem (especially nowadays) when creators try to capitalize on a shows popularity while also trying to change it into their own thing to the point where it loses most of what people liked about it to begin with. Most, if not all of the things Disney has made in the past 5+ years for instance.
I feel bad for whoever is the next avatar since his only moral coach is......korra
And given she worked for nothing that matters she has no advice.
@@littlekuribohimposte "punch it until it gives up" probably. Or talk about her "roommate"
After that the world will be plugged into danger and the next avatar will definitely not be able to help
Are you referring to past Avatars in the spirit world? Because remember the next avatar won't appear until after Korra dies.
Evil Avatar. Just sayin'.
@@Hero_of_ComedyYeah and Korra basically got all the spirits of the old avatars deleted so she's the only one left
With that abrasive scene, the writers removed the opportunity for Korra to introduce herself to the audience. We could have had a montage of the kid starting with rudimentary earth bending, then learning fire and water bending with effort. Then we pick up the intro of the story itself with her struggling with air. In fact, you could have had a great moment where the White Lotus are ashamed with themselves because they didn't bring Korra to the Air Nomads earlier. They had a plan in play for the next Avatar to be a water bender, but Korra was most proficient in earth. This made air, arguably the most important element the Avatar can wield to do their job, Korra's weakest trait. This could have enforced Korra's rebellious nature is her being forced to struggle with her hardest block after being amazing at everything else. Maybe passable in water, but amazing at earth and fire at least. Have her be rooted HARD in the physical and material world, but blind to the ethereal and spiritual aspects. You could even have it to the point that the previous Avatars have been trying to communicate to Korra, but have been failing either because of Korra's lacking in spirituality or due to Korra just ignoring their calls. Saying she "sometimes feels wrong," and immediately goes to find something to distract herself.
The problem with the scene is it's a poorly done scene that missed the opportunity for basic and in depth character work. I don't know what the writers were thinking when they had her say it, whether they didn't want to write a journey and wanted to hand wave it or if they were of the opinion the more recent shows have been where the audience wouldn't have accepted her for some superficial trait, but it doesn't really matter. They failed. They failed the show. They failed the fans. The reason is irrelevant. At the end of the day, The Legend of Korra, not just this scene but the whole show, ended up not living up to critical examination of even the lightest variety.
Disagree with that entirely the writers have not felt the fans or the show at all I think are taking this line she said as a kid way too out of proportion besides if you watch the entire series she does have an amazing journey which is way different than aangs
Avatar has to start with their born element though.
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The Korra series is shit, not amazing.
@@DBArtsCreators I disagree
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And you are wrong.
The funny part about this scene is that in the next scenes we see the white lotus training her (which makes sense that they'd want to have a bigger role considering aang was lost for 100 years).. so the scene when she was 4 is literally not needed, start out with the her as a teenager being trained by the white lotus..
It would have been accepted that the white lotus trained her considering everything that happened before and during the first series, and as we see her bending more than one element it would have gotten the point of her being the Avatar across perfectly without saying it.
I started with Korra, I like Korra as a character, and I still hate that scene.
I mean... honestly, I think you're just a bunch of gringos drowning on a puddle.
This scene isn't a big deal. She still has to train until 17, she became a good fighter but she was naive, impatient, and held a fake perception of herself. So, she has clear character flaws, virtues, overcomes conflicts and many situations didn't get solved relying on her talent in bending.
IMO the biggest flaw in S1 is the ending, something that should be more criticized and actually being held against Korra's character arc, than literally the introduction scene that sets her character with things that can be easily inferred.
How does a 4 year old learned that she could bend 3 elements? Most likely by accident, and if that isn't enough, then explain to me how Katara knew she was a waterbender when she was never explicitly told and all the masters were gone from her tribe?
Why is Korra so proficient? She really isn't though, she punched a wall off, threw a few little flames, put out the fire on a coat by using a small water puddle, and punches a fire ball at the end. Her movements are very basic. For a 4 year old, yeah, very impressive, but isn't that the point of her character? Tha she's a talented fighter, but the world doesn't need a fighter but a diplomat and she sucks at that and has to learn her way to being that with a lot of bumps and struggles?
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It’s an introduction, and one that immediately makes me hate the character. This is our protagonist, and she’s an asshole and giving off warning signs of being a Mary Sue in the original sense (they’re already breaking previously established lore by having her being able to bend three elements at age four when the previous show strongly suggested that Avatars never bent a second element until after they were each told they were the Avatar). That’s not a good start to a show whose world is deliberately so different from the previous one.
@0:03 "this is Terrible!" Each time they announce a reboot of a classic cartoon! 💀
As someone who has never seen an episode of Korra, I now believe this scene is the origin story of Rey Skywalker
Has teachers and training for years and still just average as a bender. Imagine aang with that time and not being rushed by a world ending war within a few months dude would make the avatar state his base powers.
Soooo, what's the issue then?
@@danielmunoz1275 Mary and her best friend named sue. Yet she still sucks at everything because of her personality putting herself in the worst situations but gets away with it because Mary and her best friend sue.
Season 1 especially the equalizers were about as smart as ants when a bender was tricking them. They should have radicalized even further after that but no Korra needs to be right constantly
@@ivanbluecool You're contradicting yourself. She's a Mary Sue, but doesn't win the battles. She's a Mary Sue, but her character flaws get her in trouble.
You're literally making counterarguments to yourself.
Now, for her being always right... seriously? She challenges Amon on a 1v1 and gets her butt kicked, she goes to confront Tarlok alone and she gets kidnapped, she chooses Unalaq over Tenzin and it turns out Unalaq is untrustworthy and I'll intentioned, she blames her father for being isolated all her life, and she almost looses him to Unalaq, she's impatient and gets both lost and separated from Jinora, which causes Jinora to be captured by Unalaq and have a leverage against Korra, she left the portals open and that causes Zahir to get airbending, kill the Earth Queen, almost kill her and putting her into a wheelchair, Korra has physical and mental blocks that she chooses not to confront and that causes Kuvira to have free way into rising to power. All this WITHOUT taking into account relationship drama. And you're telling me the show always portrays her as being "right".
Para pendejo no se estudia gringo.
@@ivanbluecool you make a weirdly good point about how the exposure of the fraud leader would, at least in the modern day, only have made the movement worse. Hell, they shot Malcolm X after he realized "maybe i went a bit too far" and said so too loudly.
I imagine that, offscreen, the council pulled off some classic Aang-tier negotiation and speeches and helped calm things down again.
@@KairuHakubi i mean I can probably bring up a few less than 5 year movements that go against what they say immediately. But I tube dislikes that.
The equalizers could have been a good background foe that kept building or be season 1 and then return later still being oppressed especially with what happens in the story later.
That scene still doesn't stop the fact that, for me and for a lot of others, it was incredibly disrespectful towards the source material. I just watched a full series of a young man trying to learn how to master 3 *additional* martial arts forms with the accompanying philosophy behind each form and element. We had MULTIPLE EPISODES explaining that understanding the element and being in a proper headspace, moving energy and being in touch with what the elements represented is what caused "Bending" to happen, not just the physical movement of your bodies. Avatar Aang literally had an entire episode, "Bitter Work," that outlined that the juxtaposition of the Earthbending mindset of "stand your ground, there is no other way" for an airbender whose predominant mindset of problem solving was "be detached, find another way - find another angle" was incredibly difficult to grasp. We had Avatar Roku outline that Waterbending for him was "especially hard" because it has a different mindset of "Don't over control energy, redirect energy, feel the push and pull" versus the predominant Firebender philosophy derived from a core principle of, "Control [of the fire] is everything, breathe and create energy." It was an amazing system that touched people who watched the show and, like Iroh described, it helped young people growing up understand that their way of thinking, if you only drew on one source (your parents/caretakers, your friends, your school) could become rigid and stale, and understanding others and seeing other points of view made you a more well-rounded person. Bending wasn't about moving rocks, squirting your friends, or shooting fire -- it was about who you were as a person, expanding your mindset and world view, and mastering discipline in all forms. I don't think the irony is lost on anyone that, in Avatar canon, young Avatar's are told they are the Avatar and must make this life altering, world view expanding journey, when they turn sixteen-years-old, an age often associated in Western Media with "coming-of-age" where children put off childish things to prepare to become an adult in two years.
The Legend of Korra walks in, takes just the biggest shit on *all* of that, only to make the point of, "Oh, look guys, this is my OC Korra! She is SOOOO much stronger than Aang, mastering all but one element at the age of FOUR!" Like... This person clearly has never met a four-year-old. Real children like this actively struggle to eat animal crackers without making a mess, let alone being capable of making deep philosophical connections to the world around them. So, little Korra (as cute as she is, can't deny that) just kinda gets this ass pull for bending without having to master any of the philosophy associated with it, literally telling the audience that we need to "deal with it" and just be okay they have just fundamentally disregarded everything that made bending unique and cool with "watch this water, fire, and rock fly around" which is why THIS scene is synonymous with the entire reason why people hate LoK...
I stuck around till the end of the show, mostly because of the "do the thing!" guy.
The "Avatar Juan" retcon fills me with unfathomable rage.
Gringo pendejo
Don't get me started with Juan.
I dropped the show immediately after that bull.
I’m absolutely amazed at how many people still follow and vehemently defend Korra after effectively betraying the entirety of the ATLA lore and demystifying the origins of the Avatar
@@aaronlindsey2219 what I find interesting is that I never assumed that watching the moon was what gave people the ability to manipulate the elements, but rather that was just an innate part of the world and the art of bending was learned from the first benders(you know, like we literally see Toph, Aang, and Zuko do with the Badger Moles and Dragons)
yet other people insist that is the only way it could have been interpeted.
I can understand the dislike around the origin of the Avatar, but the "stating at the moonlit ocean gave me aquakenisis" version of the lore is baffling. Like, how is the animals who taught the original cast how to use their bending as a way of life being the original teachers, but the lion turtles, the only beings we have seen mess with bending ability in the first series, being the origin for the elemental kenisis be a betrayal of the original lore?(not sure if that's what you are reffering to, but I have seen others complain it is)
I mean Sokka had a waterbending sister and his first girlfriend turned into the moon, if staring at it could give him waterbending then why couldn't he learn? Why wasn't he given some liquidy nepotism?
In fact, why is there a cultural distinction between benders and nonbenders at all, when apparently all it takes is a willingness to learn and it's just a martial art with some magic sprinkled on top?
Atla is goated
5:36 I think she shoulda been like 7 or even 10 when she discovered she was the avatar, & that she was a late bloomer when it came to water bending & was bullied for it.
1 day, she had enough of being picked on, & the white lotus came to actually help her with her water bending, trying to see if she’s a bender at all, but then they hear her yell, rush to help & we see her very amateurishly bend both fire & earth but not water while yelling the iconic line “I’m the Avatar & you gotta deal with it!” But now with the addition of “Now leave me alone!”
The series creators wanted to make a one off season and they wanted to focus on air since that was the element that was missing as a book but they also saw the fan reception of Zuko and thought, we will make a similar like character trying to learn air, that is where they shot themselves in the foot, they wanted a quick way to show that she mastered all elements before air as quickly as possible because they only had one season in mind. But Korra does not feel like a water bender but since water was already done and they needed to do air, they just left it at that. I would have personally enjoyed her trying to learn her own element but then they couldn’t do air which I assume was the point of the new book
This should be a textbook example of a Mary Sue. And this was just the begining of the girlbossing apokhalypse that was coming to ruin entertaintment
That makes no sense an entertainment is not ruined
Thing is many characters within the universe, including Toph, said the following about Korra:
"You are the worst Avatar ever!"
While that's understandable, I do think the hatred for this character is a bit overblown 🤔.
@@CLDJ227
Most unnecessary sequel in existence
(SPOILERS S2)
Korra managed to lose *her connection to all the past avatars, basically having to restart the cycle and losing generations of power buildup*
Even Kuruk, the guy who got his face stolen and died very young, didn't screw up that badly.
To be fair, toph only trained aang. So 50% successful? Eh.
@@sojournertaylor6897disagree with that entirely
Tauff was my favorite character in Avatar, as she had such an interesting background and her skills were well earned through perseverance.
I also loved that despite her hard shell, underneath, she was still just a girl, with all the emotion and vulnerability that comes with it.
She's optimistic, and while cocky, still has moments of humility and grace. A true Tomboy you can admire and cheer for.
Then there's Korra.
I've never seen that show, but after seeing that, "I'm the Avatar! You gotta deal with it!" My immediate response is, "You're a Marry-Sue, and no, I don't gotta deal with it; I'm never gonna watch your show, and you can't make me watch it."
If there's one thing I can't stand, it's a Marry-Sue. It immediately tells me the writers are hacks who don't understand good story telling principles and archetypes. I will never subject myself to a story I know is written by hacks. Life isn't long enough to humor such amateur crap.
If they were good writers, they would have stumbled upon a girl with unusually good water bending, with a "go with the flow," optimistic attitude, but totally oblivious to what an avatar is. They could have done some tests, kinda like when trying to identify the Dalai Lama IRL, as the show is heavily inspired by Chinese (and China adjacent) real world stuff. Her unusual personality would make her farewell with her parents odd, as she adapts to the new plans rather than crying and not wanting to go. This personality trait would become an issue with her when learning fire bending and Earth bending, as her personality is opposite of stubbornness and assertiveness. She would excel at air bending, maybe taking to Aang's kite as the item on the rug for the Avatar test.
perhaps she would find her passion for fire bending when she falls in love with a guy who is her everything, but he is then killed by accident during her training. In her immense anger at herself for the tragic death by her hands, she gets overcome with grief and rage, and as she curses herself, she nearly dies in self-immolation as the rage-fueled fire consumes her. During her recovery from her severe burns, she's introduced to an Earth bender master sent to get her back on track, and to keep her grounded (see what I did there?) in her emotions. As their sessions go on, they develop a rapport, and she begins to have a crush on him.
Fearing she will just hurt him like her previous love, she experiences a mental block where she can no longer water bend, as now she's too grounded, unable to loosen up, and enjoy life. As she struggles with this, her Earth bender trainer realizes what's going on, and while he's flattered, he's old enough to be her father, and as delicately as he can, pushes her to discard those feelings, and focus on her training. As the crisis of the story-line escalates, the two end up in battle, and her master goes down, hard. As he's laying there, bleeding out under the full moon, he confesses to her that he does care for her deeply, but like the daughter he never had. He tells her we all die, but how we choose to face our death is up to us in that moment, and you just gotta let nature take it's course. "Even an old boulder like me can wear to the flow of water, Korra. Never forget who you are."
As he falls into unconsciousness from blood loss, Korra understands what he meant, and for the first time in her life, she feels an inner balance never felt by her before. Her avatar state awakens, chakras unlocking, and as she sees the blood spilled across the ground, not just her master's, but the carnage across the entire battlefield, she has the urge to put it back in. Put all the blood back. Her eyes glow like a thousand suns, a mighty aura surrounds her, and she starts to blood bend like no other bender has ever done. She puts all the blood back into her master, healing the wounds, and forcing his heart to beat once more. She then arises, and the battling armies halt in sheer awe at the Blood Avatar, a crimson goddess levitating across the battlefield, restoring spilled blood to the fallen, mending all wounds, and restoring the lives lost.
However, the price of activating the Blood Avatar state is so intense, it tears her apart as she performs the miracles. As the last fallen soldier rises, the aura disappears, and she sets foot back on the ground. She stands for but a moment, time seemingly frozen, and then she collapses. The two armies gather around her, and in a somber silence, they hoist her lifeless body, and carry her to a field tent as the sun rises. The next scene is a massive, ornate funeral, with banners of a weeping blood moon, the two armies on each side of the procession. As peace is declared, the world is called to remember the price paid for the lives saved. They proceed to place the casket in a great hall dedicated to the avatar.
Later, the White Lotus members convene, and discuss the possibility that she died while in the Avatar state. The reports from the soldiers conflict, which is understandable, given the trauma of being brought back from death itself, or even just witnessing such a miracle. They are debating this, when they feel a tremor, coming from the direction of the Earth Kingdom. There is a silence, and exchange of looks and her Earth bender master, now among the White Lotus, lets out a,"Hmph," grins, and as he walks out the door, he stops, turns, and says, "It's a long journey from here. You guys commin', or you gonna keep guessin'?"
Roll credits.
There. I've never even taken any writing courses, and even I can pull a better story out of my ass than, "I'm the avatar! You gotta deal with it!"
My two bits. Originally, LoK was supposed to be one season (writing for the second season is horrible, because it was rushed together), so most likely there wasn't 'time' for Korra to learn all the bends in the show.
But I do like you idea that Korra can do all the bends, except water, her own native element, because she struggles with adaption.
This explains why everything after LoK season 1 is absolute trash
Seeing Korra at age four, bending three of the four elements, would be like seeing a four year old understanding the basics of three different martial arts.
I remember hating this scene when it came out because I could see the writers/producers in action instead of the show.
"AtLA showed the Avatar learning fire, earth, and water so we're just gonna skip over that." is all I saw despite they could've learned them in different ways because of being different people. It also had a smugness of unearned badass points showing the main character effortlessly learning what the previous show made clear was difficult.
On a point to the writers, while Bryan Konetzko and Michael Dante DiMartino were the creators of ATLA, Aaron Ehasz was the head writer for a majority of the episodes, and I must say his abscence was felt throughout the series when I first watched it.
The humor and interactions between characters feels like an imitation of ATLA.
And while I hate making the comparisons, it seems like TLOK can't create a story based on its own merits and give us something new when the whole point of ATLA was to do just that.
They followed the footprints and went in a circle.
That outro was fire bending with words.
One of my biggest issues with Korra is how they change bending from a martial art that requires knowledge and physical training to just being a mutant power. Why can Korra bend Air all of a sudden? Because she believes hard enough. Why can Bolin not bend metal? Because he's a lavabender, dummy! Why is lightning generation, the apex of firebending mastery something than just any joe schmoe can use as a low paying work salary? Because how cool is it to use lightning bending to power a city!!
I agree. They took away the core aspects of bending related to art and culture just to make it focused on fighting. Korra unlocks air bending like a light switch with no change to her character or understanding of the element. Finally, instead of earning energy bending, she is given access to it.
Exactly!!! TLOK retconed so much of the established rules of bending and I HATE it! I can't take this show as seriously bc the writers chose to not respect the source material
Eh tbf i never saw it as a change because we've known bending is pretty selective as a genetic trait, thats why earth nation cant bend fire, water tribe cant bend air, etc. Korra being able to bend air cuz she believes was wack i agree, explained by the fact the writers thought they only had one season. Bolin bending lava(i thought and still do) think its cuz of his mentality, when he was showing korra how to fight he mentioned being light on his toes until the moment of attack, unlike toph who told aang he had to stand his ground. It makes sense that a mentality focused on evasion would make him lean more towards a flowing style of bending like the liquid lava rather than the pinacle of earth's headstrong mentality ie metal bending. As for fire bending, i believe its because of Zuko finding the 'truth' of fire bending, up until the end of the 100 year war, it was believed fire bending required rage(what fueled zuko up to that point) until they learned from the dragons that fire came from breath and life. During Zuko's speech on lightning bending he explained it required peace(why zuko couldn't do it, he was conflicted a that point). When zuko became fire lord ots fair to say he taught everyone how to fire bend while calm, which made it easier to lightning bend, because they were no longer shackled by their rage
One thing I noticed as you mentioned the air temple was that we never saw any other temple aside from a fire temple. It somewhat expands the effects of the avatar being gone for so long. Fire nation still had their temple as both a means of waiting for signs of the avatar and because they were the last nation to have one on record. Every other nation had gone almost 200 years without signs of a avatar.
Now in response to the video, I wholly agree with your take. To dig a little further into Korra's village, there are plenty of torches lighting the night view. This COULD tell us that there may be a few local fire benders and Korra picked it up from watching as curious child. There's stone architecture used in the housing meaning there could be earth benders as well and for the benfit of the doubt she learned from them as well.
This leads us to ask: why is Korra so willing to go against the disciplines of those arts? Yeah, she's young but children tend to have some level of sympathy or empathy, yet she breaks into the scene by destroying parts of her home. The port town is small which means it only has a finite amount of resources to deal with harsh cold, even if you included trading with outside merchants.
Now to go against most of what I typed, the white lotus should have gotten there LOOONG before anyone realized she was the avatar. Their numbers should have grown substantially after balance was brought to the world. Aang would have showed them the southern air temple or explained what the order of the avatar cycle, if they hadn't known of it already. Thus narrowing down where and when the next Avatar would be born, since new avatars are typically born when the old one dies.
By time they reached Korra's village, she would have probably started praticing water bending for fun as she played in the snow. The other elenents? I'd give the writers the fat *X* of doubt. She would've been ditching any classes to go sleighing through the snow with water bending. They would have to wait and gathered all the kids her age to test them. The writer could've padded the episode count following the white lotus members trying to find out if Korra was the new avatar.
Oh boy... you hear that? Its the sound of a stampeed of Korra stands ready to defend the indefencible.
THEY'RE COMING! WE CANNOT HOLD THE GATES FOR MUCH LONGER!
If there's one thing the past few years have taught me is to never underestimate how rabidly some people are willing to defend a 5/10 show
Shippers, man. I can’t recall any other show that caved to an out of left field ship.
"You are soldiers of Gondor. No matter what comes through that gate, you will stand your ground!"
~Gandalf the White
@blackfox4138 My theory is that it's exactly because it's such 5/10 that people are so vehement to defend it.
The show comes along it's the epitome of mid while also being a (unnecessary) sequel to something that while definitely not perfect (what is?) Was 100% not mid so people shit on it maybe with a little hyperbole for comic effect, that creates an underdog effect for people who hold on to that 5 for dear life and have committed the cardinal sin of any would be grass-toucher and made an I.P. their entire personality therefore they can no longer simply quietly discuss the thing they enjoy with a friend or two, no they gotta go on a whole ass internet crusade of "well actuallys" and "that's just like your opinion mans".
Like Anansi and Ogun the keepers of all stories are gonna look upon their efforts and enshrine the average af tale in a cradle of stars like its the ending of fucking Hercules or something.
My problem is right after they flash forward to her completing her training to master the first three, showing the child intro was a completely pointless breaking of the lore.
Remember the first scene of ATLA when Katara was bending water around a fish and she was trying so hard to concentrate in order to not make it pop?
Or how about just an episode later where she accidentally freezes Sokka?
This was after years of Katara simply just practicing by herself. Because remember, the Fire Nation murdered Katara's mother under the suspcision that she was a Water-bender years prior. So everyone in her village knew Katara was a water-bender.
Korra already showed that she was more in control of her water-bending at age 4, than episode 1 Katara.
You made a lot of good points that made me realize - ATLA felt like the lore, backstories and characters naturally combined to make a story that makes sense. TLOK felt like there was a story they wanted to make so they forced a bunch of lore, backstories and characters to explain why the story makes sense (or force the story to make sense). "We want to make this sequel that focuses on things other than the next avatar learning the elements, so we'll make her naturally skilled at all but one of the elements so we don't have to include that part".
...Which I'm sure is what happens a lot of the time with writing and storytelling, but the fact that it's so obvious really takes you out of the world and makes you realize you're watching a TV show. While ATLA's solid worldbuilding made its immersion so great.
One big problem with Korra was that it was only meant to be a 1 season miniseries, so they kinda blew their wad on that first season and then were suddenly told that they were getting more seasons and had to make new storylines. With ATLA we see Aang's full journey to master all the elements, with Korra it was written in mind that there'd only be one season, so they just have her already master Water, Earth, and Fire and have her learning Air. Personally I would've written 4 year old her only being able to Earthbend, and that's how her parents knew that she could be the Avatar, since she was a member of the Water tribe
explains a lot. feels like they sat in the writers room like this:
ok, we have 1 season, how do we get around all the bending and get to the love story?
just make her bend everything at age 4, she can learn air during the season
I have a headcanon that young Korra discovered she could bend more than one element in the middle of temper tantrums. Someone makes her mad? She throws a rock and misses; they laugh. She tries again and throws it with more force and accuracy; maybe she stomps and it literally shakes the floor. A separate incident, someone tells her to go outside to cool her head after she gets unreasonably angry. Instead of calming down, she boils in her anger, to the point snow under her feet begins to melt.
And the infamous first line? An adult in her life tells her "sometimes we get told things we don't like and we just gotta deal with it."
I feel like seeing her and her parents discover her abilities would have had better traction than what we were given.
Bruh an avatar who struggled with their native bending art so clever but no we can’t have nice things
Ill admit that would be clever. But a avatars ability to bend an element is based on their personality. Not what theyre born into.
@@robertharris6092 true but u get what im saying
Read the Kyoshi novels :)
@@SgtKickass926 does that really count
Personally, I don't see why it wouldn't
The thing is that having Korra learn 3 out of 4 elements so soon and spend most of her training just learning how to use them in a *fight* actually could have been a cool plotline.
The Avatar's journey across the world they're supposed to defend and both finding & befriending their own teachers, instead of them being found FOR them, is a physical and spiritual journey that's pretty damn important.
It being undercut is a MASSIVE detriment to Korra's developement and both Katara and Tenzin *point this out*
They even follow it up with Korra seriously struggling to learn Airbending which makes TOTAL SENSE since its a very passive and spiritual bending style that does NOT jell well with Korra's agressive and, ironically, fiery personality.
And they even pull a fast one on you when she loses everything BUT her newly acquired airbending. Effectively setting her progress back to 0.
You'd THINK this would be a genius way to redo the Avatar journey, have Korra re-experience learning the elements she lost now that she has a much greater understanding of what they meant to her
But NOPE, Aang just shows up and gives her all her bending back with no consequences.
Honestly first mistake was making this show have a static location like in stone ocean if Jojo. It's an adventure show and hardly any exploring is being done.
Og show we visit so many people and areas learning their history and how or why they became that way. Kioshi alone has strong female warriors that ran from a conqueror for example.
The city just felt lacking as a location. Like if all of atla was all in ba sing SE.
honestly that's far from stone ocean's biggest flaw. Pucci has more plot armor than freaking giorno. Diamond is unbreakable takes place is a similarly small environment, and is one of the best parts in the series
@@Christopher-eq1rn well it's the city which is way bigger than a prison and more freedom to explore and fight. Plus a lot of the early fights in stone ocean are so bad. Felt like they'd all finish in less than a episode but get Mutiple ones.
Even part 1 explored more places and Characters and that's the shortest story
@@ivanbluecool it's not a city tho, it's a small town, as opposed to a fantastical prison the size of an island. It worked because of the cast of characters at play being interesting and having genuine lives leading to them interacting with the rest of the town, while in stone ocean the side characters weren't half as fleshed out, and the likeable ones get thoroughly hoed (foo fighters in particular). I 100% agree with you that most of the early fights in stone ocean were nonsense *especially* manhattan transfer
@@Christopher-eq1rn it's still more space to have different types of fights. They even had an air fight and change the escort mission into a fighter and lose an ally.
The prison in of itself just lacks much to do. They can't leave and jotaro was literally put on ice for being too strong for the early enemies.
@@ivanbluecool The legend of Korra had the earth kingdom, the water tribe kingdom, The spirit world, and also the air bender temples that was it. The legend of Korra focused way too much on politics in Republic City but it did move locations for different fight scenes.
TLoK treats bending like it's Harry Potter-style magic.
I think superpowers is the more appropriate metaphor, but yeah, TLoK leaned away from the "discipline that acts as an extension of one's self" that bending was known for being in AtLA. They didn't completely abandon it, but the changes are certainly felt.
Exactly. I feel like that line and show came around the same time where Hollywood was going for the boss bitch trend at the time. And it just rubbed me the wrong way.
I think the show should have started after she complete her Firebending training & beating her teacher(in the 1st ep). Then have a flashback showing her overhear that she's the Avatar at 4 years old from the adults. This doesn't break any lore & still show her personality & flaws(she is so focus on the cool aspect of being the Avatar & has built her personality around it). Also to be honest we already saw Aang learning the 3 elements so skipping it is redundant(unless she learn sub bending skills)
At first I didn't mind her I actually said oh cool
But as soon as she killed the other avatars in that one episode that was it to me that killed the the rest of the series for me not to mention a couple of scenes that did not sit well for me
She didn't kill the Avatars. Unalaq did. Saying Korra did it is victim blaming.
Korra didn't kill the avatars, but she made a lot of really bad and extremely avoidable decisions, which is why many of her critics blame her.
She didn't kill them
Aang actually destroyed the past live connection
@@ShadyDooragsjust like an and most the avatar did
@@ComicsAvatarOnly in the comics and those don't count
I didn't really watch Korra for Korra and the supporting cast (though Meelo is an icon and I want to see some stuff with him when he is older). I watched it for the antagonists. Those were some interesting people and situations. Some of them had some very valid points. I thought it was bold to write and show.
Have you ever watched Danny Phantom? I think you'd enjoy it.
Shady: Azula is one of my favorite characters partly because she is a prodigy
Me: Plus, Let's not overlook the fact that Azula was showing that ability at the absolute youngest at the age of like seven And the main point here Is that korra is four
To be fair 7 and 4 are vastly different in terms of development. And it’s only one element so it can be believable
@@godspeedredeicieli4384 My friend, you are just proving my point even further.
@@shockdiesel3470but let’s not overlook Azula had the most excellent masters from basically her birth, was surrounded by some of the most powerful firebenders of her time and still was overworked to the point of having a mental collapse at age 14
while Korra lived in the southern water tribe and was 4, a 4yo who was NOT forced, pushed and rushed to be a master by her abusive father
it would've been funny if instead of what we got, we had a confused water tribe toddler that could only shoot small fire blast, and nothing else, it would've also made way more sense
one of my biggest thing i hated about korra was Suyin. she scars Lins face and made toph quit being the Chief of Police, and got no punishment. when Lin confronted her about it, she acted like (i was just a kid back then) and made Lin look like the bad guy for being angry. Then the writers made Lin act nicer and was like its your fault for not letting go of the anger, but she has a big scar on her face to remind her every day.
Korra and Asami’s relationship came out of nowhere and was only done by desperate writers stupidly bowing to fan-shipping pressure in a bid to keep the show relevant. Fight me.
Too bad you have nothing to back up that assertion.
@@Makanostov-cn7glThe assertion as to why it was done, is unfounded, yes. The assertion that it came out of nowhere? Supported by the show
That's cap
@@thegarunixking1101 Where is it supported by the show? Because Korra and Asami spent the last two seasons gradually becoming closer and more intimate.
@@Makanostov-cn7gl It's actually not that hard to believe, people complained about Korra constantly and it's ratings weren't nearly as good as Avatar plus Korrasami was a popular fanpairing and including Gay characters in shows was considered a big deal at the time so it's hardly a stretch to believe the writers included it as a last attempt to keep the show relevant and low and behold, now whenever people mention Korra that's usually the first thing people bring up.
I could argue her ability to waterbend not matching with her attitude could be that she learned it first being part of the southern water tribe before maybe having personality change later on. Granted being 4 doesn't give much time for that.
I think that what the writers were trying to show was that unlike Aang, someone that didn't want to be the avatar but had to learn it in order to save the world, Korra was a prodigy that wanted to be the avatar but had to learn humility, to get off her high horse, and to learn to live in a world that didn't need the avatar as much as it once did. Or at the very least it needed an avatar that could deal with problems far more complex than just beating down the bad guys.
But I do agree that the series needed more time to refine its storytelling and presentation, especially in the first two seasons.
For me the best part of Kora was learning abt the first Avatar
Korra has fans?
Probably also think Boruto is better than Naruto too
It was written to only have one season, and was popular enough for Nick to reverse course and order more.
@@ivanbluecool😂
@@keeperofnecronomiconwas that before or after the end to the first season?
@@keeperofnecronomiconyeah because the first season was actually okay. The rest was not
After seeing legend of korra for the first time last month, I thought I was the only one that found her insufferable. Great story but damn she was annoying
I agree heavily with this. I watched episode one and instantly knew it wasn't something I wanted to watch. I didn't like seeing how modern the series was now, as the older period ATLA took place in felt like it had more charm
@@Roeseii it’s the fact that she ended up with one of her friends EX. Like that rubbed me the wrong way.
@@relaxitsme_alex9104i mean it was mako fault he fumbled two bags without really trying.
@@shotgunfrenzy1225 ehhhh yes and no. Kinda . I was pissed off because he showed no interest in her at all until she revealed her feelings to him and made it obvious in front of his gf, like brooooo fumbled that hard
@@relaxitsme_alex9104 I mean I think asami was fair game for korra after he broke up with asami to be with korra after he realized korra couldn't remember their breakup in the police station because of her amnesia
Aang being a master airbender at a young age but is never explicitly called such is such a good visual storytelling device as it showed from the beginning thay Aang was a protegy. But its not until The Fortune Teller that we get a real moment of "Aang is stupid powerful". All that aside, I won't hear that as justification for Korra being able to whip out three elements as a toddler (especially when it already contradicts the world building with the elemental natures) with no training.
Aang was raised and trained as an airbender from birth. He had masters and friends and the right environment to rise into his natural gift for air bending, particularly knowing later that Gyatso was a good friend of Roku and that bond probably had a LOT of influence on Aang's learning curve as Gyatso likely knew from his time with Roku what would work better (even if Aang was a different person, its not far fetched to assume someone would think an echo of the last Avatar would be there given the tell used on Aang was relics of past lives).
And as stated, despite this gift for bending, Aang still struggled. It was said he wasn't a master but he was passable, just enough to cover his bases as avatar and he definitely learned faster than others (presumably) but that time taken to see him work it out was part of his character.
Anyway. I didn't really want to watch TLOK specifically because of this scene. It turned me off so hard in the first few minutes I couldn't sit through it.
Hear me out:
1. She accidentally learns Firebending at a young age, while getting impatient with learning Waterbending. Now everyone knows she’s the Avatar, and begins training.
2. Korra learns Earthbending after but still struggles with water.
This is the setup. As a kid, she accidentally learned Firebending, then studied water and earth. By the time Korra is at teh start of the show, 2 elements are mastered, one isn’t very good yet, and she has no clue how Airbending works yet.
Alot of people compare korra to rey from the sequel trilogy but i think thats a bad comparsion, rey didn't work because she failed at a conceptual level and only exists tto push a narrative of "women are good" Korra on the other hand failed because the writing didn't captalized on the problems she did have and made her come off as more marry sue then she actually is
You're wrong she did not come up as a Mary Sue people really don't understand the series at all
@@animezilla4486 Mary Sue
@@TheBanditClan in what way
@@TheBanditClanWhile being beaten almost 99% of the time ? Be so fr.
@@theblackmoonrising She's such a mary sue that she doesn't even need to win her fights to beat her enemies.
I think the issue is that the writers didn't want to tell another story about an avatar learning to master earth fire and water. Notice that the only element Korra couldn't bend is the only element we never saw Aang go through the process of learning to bend. It doesn't necessarily make the scene better, but I think it provides good context
Even outside of this scene, the entire series of TLoK made bending less focused on mindset and movements, and more about just having a fancy power. In AtLA, they made a big deal about Kitara needing a scroll so she can learn moves. Toph also made a big deal about feet positioning to Aang. Overall, they had lots of examples of needing to do the right martial arts movement to perform the bending. In TLoK, most of the time they just did stuff, as if it was just a super power.
My suggestion:
Just let her fire bend badly. (In a flashback.)
That would already be extremely suspicious from a water tribe child.
And then let the parents try to teach other bending styles where she picks up bad earth bending.
At this point you can give the: I am the avatar, deal with it.
Followed by a bonking of:
Yeah, and you haven't even learned water bending yet despite being from the water tribe. Please take your studies more seriously.
Korra: I am the first avatar to bend 2 elements before the age of 10!
Instructor: And the first to learn their native one third.
Oh boy, here we go; I remember liking the show at first, but over the years, my opinion on it has soured considerably. Almost 100% due to E;R's brutal tearing down of the show lol.
Edit: While I do like Korra's headstrongness and confidence compared to Aang, the fact that she had to struggle so much less on the bending compared to the previous Avatar didn't endear her to me.
I mean, I think that's more of a you problem rather than the show.
While I agree that the ending of S1 is bad and so stupid with Aang just giving her access to the Avatar State without effort.
I disagree on the fact that she's outright not endearing because fighting and bending comes easier to her. Why? Well, because Korra struggles LITERALLY elsewhere:
Most people do not like her and are even at odds with her: Lin Beifong S1, Tarlok S1, President Raiko (pretty much as the series), the public opinion is against her too, she initially doesn't know how to deal with the public eye and the press, she's naive and has to grow out of it, she's headstrong and learns how to be more patient, she makes mistakes with her relationships, etc...
Most of Korra's important conflicts rely on her internally and not on whether she's capable of fighting.
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She also struggles in the critical category of getting me to like her. Since she failed at that, and she’s the protagonist, I’m not giving her another shot. I deliberately looked for the Avatar Blu-Ray collection that was The Last Airbender only. I had no reason to spend money on something I couldn’t be bothered to watch during its original run despite being obsessive about the original show.
@@John-fk2ky OK. So what's the issue? If you don't want to spend money on something you don't like, then more power to you.
Nobody is here telling you you're a bad person because you don't like the show and the main character. Your comments are very pointless. You have no arguments, because it's all based on pure "I don't like her."
Te aplaudo o que? Just don't like her and carry on.
One thing I think about to explain away my problems with the opening, that should still have it's changes, is that of an out-of-setting problem.
We, as ATLA fans, have already seen someone learn the other elements, watching a new face learn water, earth and Fire would just be watching ATLA with some reskins and slight changes to the story.
My explanation as to why the writers gave Korra three out of four elements at the start was so that we weren't watching the same story, even if it was for one season.
Now, her being FOUR is still a problem...but if we age that up to something more like...twelve, then we at least have a feasible age for her to have learnt some surface level stuff on the other elements...
...and also give her a way TO have learnt it...
Imagine if 4 year old korra triple bending was just... A dream. And then she woke up and lived out an incredibly mundane morning because she actually couldn't bend at all. And that set her up to learn all bending from scratch,(aang adapted his airbending to learn water bending). It would've been such a sick setup. Plus you could make her first element the one that would've fit her better.
If only. The switch to airbending and her limitations was neat but I really wish I could've seen an avatar that just didn't know how to bend from the get go at all. Not a prodigy, but great potential.
I tend to sit down and think to myself “how would I rewrite…?” In regards to a lot of stories. One of the ideas I had for Korra relates to this scene.
I’d probably begin with a 16 year old Korra at her home just living her life, then they’re approached by the Sages. Korra is about to be informed she’s the Avatar, then we cut to a 3 years later screen, where we see 19 Year old Korra during her Firbending training. It’s an Agni Kai where she must display all of her skills, and we see her struggle to beat her master. Eventually she succeeds and says something like “just 1 more left” in context of Airbending.
I don’t know if that sounds like a good fix or if it fits the lore better at all, but that was my idea. Of course I decided to refocus the plot as well, the rest of Season 1 would focus on 19 year old Korra journeying to master this last element. The rest of the series involves her mastering of the Avatar State (which is not getting nerfed like it did). And of course, all the little things like poor character writing, world building, Korra’s shitty love life, lore changes, etc.
If I was to more or less try to explan how Korra managed to learn 3 elements so soon it will be:
A. She managed to bend a second element (probably fire a time she got mad) and her parents named her the avatar and after explaining to her what the avatar was she got too exited and started trying to bend other elements by trial and error
B. The avatar cycle balance itself and because Aang needed 100 years to learn water, earth and fire bending Korra just needed 100 days (exaggeration)
But still not having any info on how she managed to do so and how smooth the movements are for a self taught bender (but water bending maybe) the only option that holds more ground is the writters trying to give us something different of "let's make the avatar travel the world again, learning the elements again and making new friends along the way again"
Korra is kind of awful person if you really think about it.
The amount of bullshit that came from her people just let slide is insane. Remember what she did to Bolin? I do.
Yep, just look at how she treats Bolin and Mako.
That's more than enough proof.
I actually did not mind her up until she killed the other avatars in that one episode that is what did it for me
Maybe the premise could’ve been that she was being slowly swayed by the Dark Avatar from the very start and the core conflict could’ve that Korra was becoming the new ultimate threat replacing the Fire Lord from ATLA.
Not saying that’s how it should’ve gone I’m just saying that would’ve been more interesting.
@@insectostrich4407that would have been cool actually
Air Masters: "Circumstances force us to get Aang on the Avatar path at 12."
White Lotus: "Four is enough. Come on, psychopath!"
My problem is that they brought the teachers for 3 elements to Korra. One of the major parts of the avatar journey is going around the world to learn bending but also to learn how the different cultures worked. Aang was partially an exception because of the war but other avatars would live with the benders of other elements. They would learn to understand others and how to solve problems both in the physical and spiritual world. By sheltering her the entire time they set her up for failure.
If a kid learned they could bend elements and multiple of them why doubt they wouldn't try to master it. It's the most fun and power trippy thing a child could experience so of course they would give it their all.
Though without teachers coming to train her someone like Korra wouldn't be equally good in them all.
Good point. IRL there's no Spiderman, for example. But how many little kids are out there trying to produce webs?
Imagine a kid from a water tribe born after Aang's passing, of course they're going to play-bend.
12:42 As a Star Wars prequel stan. That one hurt Shady.
Honestly, I'm not ENTIRELY opposed to Korra being able to bend 3 Elements at 4, but, like you said yourself, she REALLY shouldn't be doing it so flawlessly. Displays of instinctive bending, like accidental Earthbending while stomping the ground in a stubborn huff, or breathing a small gout of fire when angry, would be enough to get her parents noticing and alert the White Lotus. Then the White Lotus would use the same test on her as the Air Nomads did with Aang so they could be entirely sure.
Another way they could have done it is, have Korda bending all three elements but not able to control them, and that’s the reason the house was wrecked. And Korea’s future ark being that she is an immensely powerful prodigy, but is unable to control her power. So she constantly struggles to use her power without destroying everything around her. Kinda the polar opposite of Aang. His travels were to get powerful enough to beat the Fire Lord. Her travels could have been about learning to control her power, so she could be the Avatar and not a walking disaster.