fake news, all they did was reset accs and load up 2007's save. Everything is saved with coding most platforms now save automatically so imagine for private companies that their whole income depends on thier codes. They're all saved theyre just bullshitting cause they milked those same files for the last 14 years adding dung weapons as BiS's (rapier kodai etc) just reskinned, if they gave us turmoil and dung and re-released it, the game would be dead by now
@@GodsOfSc so you're saying that the founders of Jagex (being the gower brothers) are lying? just like all the other older mods like Mod Ash. Because it's in the Runescape documentary that Jagex made themselves where they explicitely say there was NO backup other than that one from 2007. Keep in mind the gower brothers don't work at Jagex anymore & have no need to lie about it. You're just highly delusional. When there are changes to the code it's just that. saved to the current version. It doesn't automatically make a backup of what was before. And keep in mind Jagex uses their own in-house coding software that was based on Java (now switched to C++) Also saying there were backups wouldn't stop them from re-using or re-colouring old updates. Your logic is insanely flawed.
@@Socomhunter yes because 3 people saying otherwise defies logical sense and backups for major companies that doesn’t make sense fam, you heard of PR before?
@@GodsOfSc you can keep your dumb conspiracy hat on but it's a simple fact. Live with it. And I'm talking of at least 5 (there were 3 gower brothers you muppet) + mod ash and mod mat k. 3 of them are founders and have absolutely no reason to lie for a company they no longer have stakes in. Nor does mod mat k which no longer works at Jagex. You could only argue about mod ash if anything. Sorry but you're just simply wrong.
First time I played Rs was Christmas of 2003, I legit have a picture of this very moment. Legit all 4 of us hovering over a blocky desktop watching each other play. Man, good times…
I was in the 2nd or 3rd grade when a friend told me about it at school.. all he described were groups of people dropping items like “runes” at drop parties lmao. I had absolutely no idea what this meant so I had to find out.
"unknown system admin who though it would be a good idea to make one" sounds like some guy at jagex who knew about the upcoming wildy removal and how awful that would go.
@@ByeBaybe that is absolutely nothing like this. Here's the difference: what you are backing up is the finished, packaged product for general consumption. From that state, you can't access the negatives, the original film medium, original audio sources, the film minus special effects layers, the special effects, any post production changes that were made, and none of the notes as to why changes were made, and how they were made. You couldn't ever update or modify the movie based on what you have backed up. Games are even more complicated, as you need the right tools to modify and build the actual program itself. As the project evolves, you build new tools and stop maintaining old ones, you move to new versions of programming languages that might not play well with old legacy code, RuneScape has unique file formats that need specialized tools. And on top of that, software projects aren't just a .zip file of plaintext, usually. You need all the tooling, batteries included, to fully reproduce the end product. "Backups" aren't super helpful in a lot of cases, because they're just records of changes made to a project over time. It would be too difficult to store and maintain individual snapshots of every single version every time you published it. Minecraft is a very unique example of a game where almost every single release is archived. But, here's the kicker, the source code might not have been, just the release product. Another less technical explanation: the game or movie you have is a cake. You have an idea of what kind of cake it is, and you can get some hints as to what tools and processes were used to make it (if you're also an experienced baker), but without actually having the recipe and the notes of the original baker's process the best you can do is take a good guess if you tried to make the cake again yourself. It would be different. All RuneScape private servers are built like this, actually. They look at what a specific revision of the client was asking for, and build their best approximation of a backend server that does what the client asks for. But accuracy is almost never 100%
it's rather incredible how common this was. Konami no longer has the source code for silent Hill 2 in 3 because they deleted it to make room for new projects on their servers.
The person who saved the 2007-backup is a hero! He/She didn't have an idea what would come off of it. Imagine if it never happened, would we be playing 2012 version.
@@Lucas-dz2cy rs3 is literally a better game than osrs in every way. Less bots, way better graphics, better and newer content, more engaging quests with cutscenes and voice acting. Rs3 gets so much undeserved hate. And this is coming from a veteran player
@@Lucas-dz2cy are u seriuos?2012 was the best version of RS. just before EOC. the graphics were good. Other than the hitpoints going from 99 to 990 that wast he only bad part. It was an amazing game . The mechanics were way better than 07
No idea why, but I immediately pictured the 'Combat Test' NPC as the RuneScape equivalent of StayPuft in the original Ghostbusters movie... a completely innocuous object that would somehow become an unstoppable machine of total destruction.
Not even 0:40 seconds in and I'm reminded of the 2006 Christmas event where I stayed up late and snuck out of my room to my grandfather's computer. Such nostalgia with this game, it's incredible.
I love that the fally massacre probably boils down to a single line of code resetting a "HouseCombat" boolean to false that was accidentally deleted and not noticed to be missing in the combat ring script, or skipped by a tiny little oversight. Just goes to show you young programmers out there. Forget to null your bools and you might cause a holocaust
I remember hearing that it was because a player was kicked out of the house while in the boxing ring, which enables combat. So since he was forcibly kicked out instead of leaving, he missed the flag to turn his combat back off.
I have heard it was the being kicked out of the house while trapped in the magic cage in the throne room and in the middle of being sent into the house’s dungeon. And that PvP in player houses back then was actually enabled by default, the “Attack” option just gets hidden unless you are in one of the player combat rings or are in the dungeon. Combine that with the game-breaking amount of lag that was going on in that house party (it was estimated that around 800 players on that server were in that house party) and you get a recipe for disaster. After the events of June 6, 2006, a function was eventually implemented into the game engine that can actually check where players are in the game world and enabling or disabling certain things based on their current location. (so even if another glitch causes you to carry a PvP flag into a SAFE zone, you won’t actually be able to take advantage of it because the game now knows that you are in the wrong location for that.)
Jagex should hire an official Runescape historian. I think it would be really fun to have someone create a really detailed account for the game's history... given that it is actually one of the oldest MMORPGs that still is widely loved, its actually a really big part of digital gaming history and internet history in general. In 100 years students might study how games like Runescape transitioned from the dawn of internet into a completely adopted online multiplayer game. Imagine what a really detailed account for this transition could mean for historians in 100 years, if they could understand how one of the first massively popular MMORPG games was developed back when payphones were on street corners and "mobile phones" meant a phone in your car.
Last one, i was hoping you'd find some info on the knife glitch. Back in 2000, you could equip a knife, which then equipped the next 2 inventory slots too. so you could theorhetically have 3 r2hs equipped. lol.
Always love your videos, though I'm confused about how the flour caused the flalador massacre? I don't think the correlation was explained well enough?
Thanks! Also Jagex had to go back in and change constructions code as a result of the flour glitch. While doing so it’s believed the code that caused the Falador Massacre glitch was accidentally created. EDIT: Contacted a wiki staff member who helped with this video and got more information. The bug that caused the massacre was almost certainly not in the game until June 6th, 2006. Hundreds of thousands of players had been trying Construction and attending house parties long prior to June 6th. So something as simple as "getting kicked from the house while in the combat ring allows you to attack people" would have been discovered long before then. The only documented change made to Construction on June 6th was the flour update. So the flour didn't necessarily directly cause the massacre bug, however Construction's code was revamped because of it. Had the flour bug never existed, its likely the massacre could have never occoured.
@@JustJonas durial321 was able to attack players anywhere because there was recently a house party for the first 99cons, however too many players entered the players house, automatically kicking everyone out because it was glitching, every single player who was in the fighting arena inside the house maintained the ability to attack others even if out of the arena, durial took this opportunity to lure rich players, so i believe the flour caused the glitch where u were able to attack others even tho you werent in the combat ring anymore
@@Mr_shmartypants That still doesn't quite make sense though. The flour glitch was due to the larder giving out the wrong item, which should be fixed just by changing the item id for that option. The pvp glitch sounds like certain values on the player aren't reset when booted from the house. I know people like to talk about Jagex spaghetti code but this seems like too much of a stretch. If anything it's more likely there are other bug fixes being done that may have caused it.
Man I could listen to you talk about anything runescape related for hours. Most underrated rs content creator imo. Even tho ur killin it sub and view wise.
"Revampt the code"? I don't really follow when you say "the larder was poorly coded", when in fact it just seems the wrong item ID was used. If this was truly the only issue they were fixing, it would have been a matter of changing the item ID to that of the 'Pot of flour' instead of 'Flour'. Perhaps they did change some unrelated code that you could SPECULATE at best was the cause, but if the patch was simply for the wrong item given in the larder, that would not warrant a "revamping of code". That's literally just the changing of one integer value.
He explains it awfully. Because they had to change the code to give buckets of flour instead of raw flour, they had to reset the servers for it to take effect. iirc, a player was in the house's boxing ring at the time, which enables combat so you can fight other players who step into the ring. But the reset kicked everyone out of the house, which means he skipped the boxing ring exit which turns your combat back off, so it was just left on.
Love the videos as always. I thought the Durial glitch was explained and able to be reproduced due to kicking players when they died within the fighting arena in the POH? Keeping the attack player option which Jagex had to patch in the first instance by removing the ability to attack players outside the house, then fixing the attack option later. And Durial wasn’t the only player able to do it, he was just the main abuser who went absolutely ham with it. Something like that. I swear I’ve seen a couple vids on it but I’m too busy to hunt for them atm.
I'm almost certain you're correct Joshua. I remember watching a video forever ago (probably before UA-cam had a history section to look through). It has to do with the fight ring, and kicking people at the correct moment. I do believe anyone that was in the ring would have that selection still, but I'm not certain
Shoutout to the random admin that decided a backup in 2007 would be a good idea.. Arguably the best time for it to have been backed up. If it was 2009 or newer for example, we wouldn't have the "classic" look we have now. Which we can obviously add onto with things like the HD addon.
Also, imagine if there was limited houses that still existed and only owned by those few early players.. The big castle ones would be worth more than any phat, by far.
If i had to vote on the 07 backup or the 2012 before EOC i'd vote the 2012 100% of the time & A lot of people would agree with it (which we saw with the 117 HD plugin debacle). We just took the only option we had. There was no choice involved unfortunately.
@@Socomhunter I just think the option of having both is nice. Plus newer graphics would limit their player base. I don't think they would've been able to add old graphics to a newer backup for example. I did play the majority of my time thru about 08-10 so I can relate to you guys.
@@BiIlDipperIy you do realize in 2012 there was still low definition. right? And soon osrs is gonna add its own HD features. Nobody said it would be opt-in though. And i played from 2004 till now. Seen all the changes and can confidently say 2006 was the time it became popular but it was by no means the best time on RS. A lot of great updates came much later. I still wish there was a backup of right before the EOC update. I doubt many people actually care about the old ugly graphics. If anything it's an eye sore
Yeah I played in 2001, I remember player housing being the most discussed and anticipated updates for sure. Once it was obvious it couldn't be like UO, unless the map was expanded massively or something, it wasn't until I stopped playing for a long time that the teleport/pocket dimension thing was mentioned. But I do remember PVP everywhere, turning it on and off, then the addition of the Wildy. I actually remember when Asgarnia was added too, changed everything lol. Good times.
"Well, you know what happened." What ? The Falador massacre ? Without any explanation whatsoever in your video I'm left clueless, i don't see the link at all, sorry :/...
My mistake! I should've clarified further. The changes made to constructions code as a result of the flour bug are what's believed to have accidentally caused the Falador Massacre. Whoever fixed the flour bug must've accidentally introduced another one, so had that flour bug never occurred its likely the massacre would've never happened.
I always thought that corner of varrock seemed odd, like i almost forget it exists because besides the magic shop there's not much down there, makes sense if that would have been the player owned houses
Man it would be amazing to have ownable property in Runescape, There is no way in hell I could afford it but it would be awesome, imagine how much GP it would be worth
pvp everywhere was awesome, you could even pk in the bank as long as you killed all the guards, otherwise the guards would attack the attacker. Great video as always.
Growing up my Mom was an elementary teacher and we'd go to school an hour early every day. I'd get on RuneScape in her classroom and do stupid things like die from scorpions and cry about it 😆 but as I got older my Dad got me a crappy 7in laptop that was sooo slow but I would still be able to play! Now I'm 25 with two kids and a husband and they like to hangout with me while I'm play and the kids love to ask a million questions.
Thats awesome ! I'm also 25 although having kids with my wife isn't something I actually want soon, I'd be happy for them to like it as much as i did one day!
I played RS on 6/6/06. I remember being told to put my items in my bank because there was a serious scam going on. I was literally in Falador, but on a different world where the "massacre" began. I didn't believe what I was told. But it seems liked people quickly learned how to do the glitch, and I very much remember going into a combat ring and teleporting out so I could attack people, but they could not retaliate. I didn't kill anyone, I was very young tbh and it made me super anxious so I went back to the house, entered the ring again, and exited--I lost that ability to pvp at this moment. I'm guessing the bug was a player needed to "exit combat ring" to lose the ability to attack other players, so you could tele out and attack anyone!
Hey Colonello, I have a PC that I used to play RS on. In early 2009, my family bought a new computer and stuck this one in the basement. I'm actually still in possession of the computer, so i'm 100% sure that I have all the RS cache from 2009. How could I go about exploring the data? or is it worth sending to anyone for someone to look at?
The Reddit thread in the description goes into some detail about it. You would have caches from 2004 and 2006 too, if you started playing before then. It's definitely worth checking!
Head to keeps.com/colonello to get 50% off your first order of hair loss treatment. *EXTRA INFO ABOUT THE FALADOR MASSACRE GLITCH* Many of you are confused as to why the flour glitch could have caused the Falador Massacre. Unfortunately, I cannot go back and re-edit the video to clarify, so hopefully, you all see this pinned comment! I contacted a wiki staff member who helped with this video and got more information. The bug that caused the massacre was almost certainly not in the game until June 6th, 2006. Hundreds of thousands of players had been trying Construction and attending house parties long prior to June 6th. So something as simple as "getting kicked from the house while in the combat ring allows you to attack people" would have been discovered long before then. The only documented change made to Construction on June 6th was the flour update. So the flour didn't necessarily directly cause the massacre bug, however, Construction's code was revamped because of it. Had the flour bug never existed, it's likely the massacre could have never occurred. This is all just a theory though, and I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
People speculate it was different on June 6th because it was supposedly never anywhere as crowded in one particular instance of a house party than in cursed you's house that day. I doubt the flour could be a cause, as it was merely about replacing one item from the larder to another, and not so much about fixing some broken spaghetti code.
"hair loss treatment" is a scam that prays on men who have insecurity about going bald when it really doesn't matter and doesn't make a difference. lmao Dick move.
the 6 min mark i tell so many people you used to be pkable ANYWHERE. this was an option in the character creation process too. you could only switch twice in your entire life.
i was at cursed you's house party back in the day and yes they do know what caused it. The entire server was online and inside his house. people were waiting to log onto the server just to get to this party. my whole clan was there at the time. In the dungeon there is an option to have pvp on and off. They had to pvp on and expelled everyone from the house. If you had a dialog open when you were expelled you still had the attack option after you left the house. runehq interviewed cursed you after this happened. There should be an interview on exactly what happened
I know you're just trying to make a dollar but please don't remind me that I'm going to go bald. I don't need to be reminded I'm going to go bald, I would really rather not think about it and just deal with it when I get there.
Very good content on this one, awesome to see the cache discoveries covered, however I think a bit more room to breathe between the topics would help the video flow better. I think it's just a question of editing, and only a minor quibble. Loved the video nonetheless.
Runescape 2 was the first mmo I ever played and it was one of the first "real" games I ever played that wasn't like some children's learning game or something.
So how did you get to access and play that version of really old RuneScape in the House portion of the video? I only started to play RuneScape recently and I would really like to play a “classic” 2005ish version of the game. How would one go about getting those files and playing the game from that time?
2005 is still OSRS, I’m pretty sure? That’s around the time I started back again and I played the Original RS for a while before quitting. I was younger and remember it being a hell of a game when PvP was on. Lol. You had to toggle it off to do anything at all.
Not the best video ngl, the first four minutes had nothing to do with the title and you didn’t explain how the flour led to the Falador massacre, you just presumed people understood the implication
Something people has forgotten nowadays is that "cursed you" the person who got the first construction (cb 124) got KO'ed by I spiili I (a cb 76 which used to be my favourite pker back in the days). While cursed you and some other 100 + cb friends of him were ganking on him in the wildt, I spiili I made a smart move by dropping some torag's loot so he would end up with the fury he looted from Cursed you (I think fury was like 6m back then). just a memory engraved into my mind.
Part of me wouldn't mind player owned houses in cities, but i've seen how horrible FFXIV handles their housing and restricting it to a single instance really is the only way to go with it. I wouldn't mind if players could be neighbors though
... I didn't want to get banned, but i'm pretty sure the fally massacre had nothing to do with flour, me and a friend found out if you sent everybody out of a house in the middle of a combat tick from the fight ring, it would leave them with the ability to attack players, and keep everybody with their current HP and statuses. I had the idea to find partyhat players and try to get them to extremely low hp, and then just have my friend kick us out so we could pick up the partyhat... we never implemented it because of morals.. but... it was possible.
I can't wait until we are able to asset swap to these older models or textures. I miss the look of the stone walls because walls look plain and lazy as a flat solid color. Bringing back old npc models for nostalgia would be really fun.
wait wait.... from what i saw in this video.. Its actually possible to make an offline old version of rs using the cashe.. Imagine this.. You know that By release series that was done.. We could for example... do that but legit by "system updates" Via this cashe system if we had a completed list that is. play the game by release as it was originally.. That would be a massive video series if jagex allowed it to stay up. edit: Imagine putting it together like a Minecraft launcher... were you select the version...
??? I was at cursed house the day the falador massacre happened... it wasn't that... it was the greater seer where you would see outside the POH and when kicked it just never got rid of the option to attack. durial may have been the most famous but there were several that got away with killing others for some pretty crazy items
Gasp! My parents let me play runescape as a kid because I was only allowed to play games that didn’t involve downloads. Turns out I was a real rule breaker!
HOLY SHIT my account is from the pvp on/off era. I talk about it sometimes on Reddit / in game and people don't believe me!! I was just a kid but I even remember a update when you were only allowed to change pvp on/off 3 times!!
2:48 Actually I'm 34 and not going bald.. But i was there when runescape was a baby back when their was no members area, and white wolf mountain was not really reachable. I actually when they made Talvery and announced a members area. My original account was justin69er and MoneyG2006 one got hacked and the other got lost i think. But the account i play on is still pretty old. Oh yeah and i got to play with Andrew a few times when i was a kid and he was too. Runescape was just called Runescape back then it wasn't classic until modern days.
Imagine running an MMORPG and not deciding to back anything up until 2012.
fake news, all they did was reset accs and load up 2007's save. Everything is saved with coding most platforms now save automatically so imagine for private companies that their whole income depends on thier codes. They're all saved theyre just bullshitting cause they milked those same files for the last 14 years adding dung weapons as BiS's (rapier kodai etc) just reskinned, if they gave us turmoil and dung and re-released it, the game would be dead by now
@@GodsOfSc Their income didn't depend on years old outdated version of the game, until they launched OSRS that is
@@GodsOfSc so you're saying that the founders of Jagex (being the gower brothers) are lying? just like all the other older mods like Mod Ash. Because it's in the Runescape documentary that Jagex made themselves where they explicitely say there was NO backup other than that one from 2007. Keep in mind the gower brothers don't work at Jagex anymore & have no need to lie about it. You're just highly delusional. When there are changes to the code it's just that. saved to the current version. It doesn't automatically make a backup of what was before. And keep in mind Jagex uses their own in-house coding software that was based on Java (now switched to C++)
Also saying there were backups wouldn't stop them from re-using or re-colouring old updates. Your logic is insanely flawed.
@@Socomhunter yes because 3 people saying otherwise defies logical sense and backups for major companies that doesn’t make sense fam, you heard of PR before?
@@GodsOfSc you can keep your dumb conspiracy hat on but it's a simple fact. Live with it.
And I'm talking of at least 5 (there were 3 gower brothers you muppet) + mod ash and mod mat k. 3 of them are founders and have absolutely no reason to lie for a company they no longer have stakes in. Nor does mod mat k which no longer works at Jagex. You could only argue about mod ash if anything.
Sorry but you're just simply wrong.
First time I played Rs was Christmas of 2003, I legit have a picture of this very moment. Legit all 4 of us hovering over a blocky desktop watching each other play. Man, good times…
Mine was 2 years prior but I can relate to that exact thing lol. Friends crossed around the one kid with broadbands PC haha
Legit?
I was in the 2nd or 3rd grade when a friend told me about it at school.. all he described were groups of people dropping items like “runes” at drop parties lmao. I had absolutely no idea what this meant so I had to find out.
Share it! That's history
"unknown system admin who though it would be a good idea to make one" sounds like some guy at jagex who knew about the upcoming wildy removal and how awful that would go.
It's actually crazy that nobody at Jagex thought about backing the game up until 10+ years in. Took multiple near disasters.
None of their leadership had an ounce of experience with actually building software, y'know?
@@turnkey_hole i don't have experience but i do have some back up of my favorite movies. not a game but yeah.
@@ByeBaybe that is absolutely nothing like this. Here's the difference: what you are backing up is the finished, packaged product for general consumption. From that state, you can't access the negatives, the original film medium, original audio sources, the film minus special effects layers, the special effects, any post production changes that were made, and none of the notes as to why changes were made, and how they were made. You couldn't ever update or modify the movie based on what you have backed up.
Games are even more complicated, as you need the right tools to modify and build the actual program itself. As the project evolves, you build new tools and stop maintaining old ones, you move to new versions of programming languages that might not play well with old legacy code, RuneScape has unique file formats that need specialized tools.
And on top of that, software projects aren't just a .zip file of plaintext, usually. You need all the tooling, batteries included, to fully reproduce the end product. "Backups" aren't super helpful in a lot of cases, because they're just records of changes made to a project over time. It would be too difficult to store and maintain individual snapshots of every single version every time you published it.
Minecraft is a very unique example of a game where almost every single release is archived. But, here's the kicker, the source code might not have been, just the release product.
Another less technical explanation: the game or movie you have is a cake. You have an idea of what kind of cake it is, and you can get some hints as to what tools and processes were used to make it (if you're also an experienced baker), but without actually having the recipe and the notes of the original baker's process the best you can do is take a good guess if you tried to make the cake again yourself. It would be different.
All RuneScape private servers are built like this, actually. They look at what a specific revision of the client was asking for, and build their best approximation of a backend server that does what the client asks for. But accuracy is almost never 100%
it's rather incredible how common this was. Konami no longer has the source code for silent Hill 2 in 3 because they deleted it to make room for new projects on their servers.
The person who saved the 2007-backup is a hero! He/She didn't have an idea what would come off of it. Imagine if it never happened, would we be playing 2012 version.
What do you mean, we do have the 2012 version of it.
@@Fishpks we dont talk about that version..
@@Lucas-dz2cy rs3 is literally a better game than osrs in every way. Less bots, way better graphics, better and newer content, more engaging quests with cutscenes and voice acting. Rs3 gets so much undeserved hate. And this is coming from a veteran player
@@Lucas-dz2cy are u seriuos?2012 was the best version of RS. just before EOC. the graphics were good. Other than the hitpoints going from 99 to 990 that wast he only bad part. It was an amazing game . The mechanics were way better than 07
bro the 2012 version was good. 2008 was also decent but cant really compare to the advances in the years ahead
No idea why, but I immediately pictured the 'Combat Test' NPC as the RuneScape equivalent of StayPuft in the original Ghostbusters movie... a completely innocuous object that would somehow become an unstoppable machine of total destruction.
Not even 0:40 seconds in and I'm reminded of the 2006 Christmas event where I stayed up late and snuck out of my room to my grandfather's computer. Such nostalgia with this game, it's incredible.
I love that the fally massacre probably boils down to a single line of code resetting a "HouseCombat" boolean to false that was accidentally deleted and not noticed to be missing in the combat ring script, or skipped by a tiny little oversight.
Just goes to show you young programmers out there.
Forget to null your bools and you might cause a holocaust
I believe he was scrying in the wilderness if I remember
Playing god
Oh boy, someone just watched their first programming video and suddenly thinks they're an expert
I remember hearing that it was because a player was kicked out of the house while in the boxing ring, which enables combat. So since he was forcibly kicked out instead of leaving, he missed the flag to turn his combat back off.
I have heard it was the being kicked out of the house while trapped in the magic cage in the throne room and in the middle of being sent into the house’s dungeon. And that PvP in player houses back then was actually enabled by default, the “Attack” option just gets hidden unless you are in one of the player combat rings or are in the dungeon. Combine that with the game-breaking amount of lag that was going on in that house party (it was estimated that around 800 players on that server were in that house party) and you get a recipe for disaster. After the events of June 6, 2006, a function was eventually implemented into the game engine that can actually check where players are in the game world and enabling or disabling certain things based on their current location. (so even if another glitch causes you to carry a PvP flag into a SAFE zone, you won’t actually be able to take advantage of it because the game now knows that you are in the wrong location for that.)
Jagex should hire an official Runescape historian. I think it would be really fun to have someone create a really detailed account for the game's history... given that it is actually one of the oldest MMORPGs that still is widely loved, its actually a really big part of digital gaming history and internet history in general. In 100 years students might study how games like Runescape transitioned from the dawn of internet into a completely adopted online multiplayer game.
Imagine what a really detailed account for this transition could mean for historians in 100 years, if they could understand how one of the first massively popular MMORPG games was developed back when payphones were on street corners and "mobile phones" meant a phone in your car.
Petition to make Colonello RuneScape's Official Historian. Mod!
Glad to know I am not the only one that used to play Runescape at the public library.
“2 out of 3 of us will experience male pattern baldness” *blinks in rare woman viewer*
40% of women experience baldness
Wish you the best sis ❤
Last one, i was hoping you'd find some info on the knife glitch. Back in 2000, you could equip a knife, which then equipped the next 2 inventory slots too. so you could theorhetically have 3 r2hs equipped. lol.
5:55 when i first started playing it took me like 6 days just to leave lumby because high level accounts would just kill you as soon as you left lol
Yo that playing at your grandmas house on Christmas even though everyone tells you to get off but they don't under.. that hit me hard man..
0:34 literally me, every fkn year back in the day LOL 😂😂
The quick cut off is what for me lol
Always love your videos, though I'm confused about how the flour caused the flalador massacre? I don't think the correlation was explained well enough?
Thanks! Also Jagex had to go back in and change constructions code as a result of the flour glitch. While doing so it’s believed the code that caused the Falador Massacre glitch was accidentally created.
EDIT: Contacted a wiki staff member who helped with this video and got more information. The bug that caused the massacre was almost certainly not in the game until June 6th, 2006. Hundreds of thousands of players had been trying Construction and attending house parties long prior to June 6th. So something as simple as "getting kicked from the house while in the combat ring allows you to attack people" would have been discovered long before then. The only documented change made to Construction on June 6th was the flour update. So the flour didn't necessarily directly cause the massacre bug, however Construction's code was revamped because of it. Had the flour bug never existed, its likely the massacre could have never occoured.
@@ColonelloRS ah OK, gotcha, thanks for the response!
I agree, he literally never said why that was relevant he just assumed everyone understood the implication
@@JustJonas durial321 was able to attack players anywhere because there was recently a house party for the first 99cons, however too many players entered the players house, automatically kicking everyone out because it was glitching, every single player who was in the fighting arena inside the house maintained the ability to attack others even if out of the arena, durial took this opportunity to lure rich players, so i believe the flour caused the glitch where u were able to attack others even tho you werent in the combat ring anymore
@@Mr_shmartypants That still doesn't quite make sense though. The flour glitch was due to the larder giving out the wrong item, which should be fixed just by changing the item id for that option. The pvp glitch sounds like certain values on the player aren't reset when booted from the house. I know people like to talk about Jagex spaghetti code but this seems like too much of a stretch. If anything it's more likely there are other bug fixes being done that may have caused it.
Man I could listen to you talk about anything runescape related for hours. Most underrated rs content creator imo. Even tho ur killin it sub and view wise.
Thank you so much!! I'm really happy to hear that! :D
Same here
You sound like a MoMo over here.
"Revampt the code"? I don't really follow when you say "the larder was poorly coded", when in fact it just seems the wrong item ID was used. If this was truly the only issue they were fixing, it would have been a matter of changing the item ID to that of the 'Pot of flour' instead of 'Flour'. Perhaps they did change some unrelated code that you could SPECULATE at best was the cause, but if the patch was simply for the wrong item given in the larder, that would not warrant a "revamping of code". That's literally just the changing of one integer value.
He explains it awfully. Because they had to change the code to give buckets of flour instead of raw flour, they had to reset the servers for it to take effect. iirc, a player was in the house's boxing ring at the time, which enables combat so you can fight other players who step into the ring. But the reset kicked everyone out of the house, which means he skipped the boxing ring exit which turns your combat back off, so it was just left on.
uhhh i play a near perfect version of 05, so they blow that "no saved" bs wayyy outa proportion lmao
Love the videos as always. I thought the Durial glitch was explained and able to be reproduced due to kicking players when they died within the fighting arena in the POH? Keeping the attack player option which Jagex had to patch in the first instance by removing the ability to attack players outside the house, then fixing the attack option later. And Durial wasn’t the only player able to do it, he was just the main abuser who went absolutely ham with it. Something like that. I swear I’ve seen a couple vids on it but I’m too busy to hunt for them atm.
I’ve added more information about the glitch to the pinned comment :)
I'm almost certain you're correct Joshua. I remember watching a video forever ago (probably before UA-cam had a history section to look through). It has to do with the fight ring, and kicking people at the correct moment. I do believe anyone that was in the ring would have that selection still, but I'm not certain
For the longest time you can stall vengeance to players, kick them out of your house and vent would hit and they would die and their items would drop.
Gotten so deep into RuneScape I’m now getting gp farm ads.. ffs 🤦♂️
I thought you were gonna talk about my old money-making method where I would buy logs for around 50 gp and sell it for around 60 gp
Shoutout to the random admin that decided a backup in 2007 would be a good idea.. Arguably the best time for it to have been backed up. If it was 2009 or newer for example, we wouldn't have the "classic" look we have now. Which we can obviously add onto with things like the HD addon.
Also, imagine if there was limited houses that still existed and only owned by those few early players.. The big castle ones would be worth more than any phat, by far.
If the backup was from 2009, everyone would think of the 2009 graphics as the "classic" look.
If i had to vote on the 07 backup or the 2012 before EOC i'd vote the 2012 100% of the time & A lot of people would agree with it (which we saw with the 117 HD plugin debacle). We just took the only option we had. There was no choice involved unfortunately.
@@Socomhunter I just think the option of having both is nice. Plus newer graphics would limit their player base. I don't think they would've been able to add old graphics to a newer backup for example. I did play the majority of my time thru about 08-10 so I can relate to you guys.
@@BiIlDipperIy you do realize in 2012 there was still low definition. right? And soon osrs is gonna add its own HD features. Nobody said it would be opt-in though. And i played from 2004 till now. Seen all the changes and can confidently say 2006 was the time it became popular but it was by no means the best time on RS. A lot of great updates came much later. I still wish there was a backup of right before the EOC update.
I doubt many people actually care about the old ugly graphics. If anything it's an eye sore
Digital archeology is a beautiful thing.
Yeah I played in 2001, I remember player housing being the most discussed and anticipated updates for sure. Once it was obvious it couldn't be like UO, unless the map was expanded massively or something, it wasn't until I stopped playing for a long time that the teleport/pocket dimension thing was mentioned. But I do remember PVP everywhere, turning it on and off, then the addition of the Wildy. I actually remember when Asgarnia was added too, changed everything lol. Good times.
"Well, you know what happened." What ? The Falador massacre ? Without any explanation whatsoever in your video I'm left clueless, i don't see the link at all, sorry :/...
My mistake! I should've clarified further. The changes made to constructions code as a result of the flour bug are what's believed to have accidentally caused the Falador Massacre. Whoever fixed the flour bug must've accidentally introduced another one, so had that flour bug never occurred its likely the massacre would've never happened.
@@ColonelloRS definitely needed to explore that a bit further this was kind of a abrupt end with no real conclusion
I’ve added more information to the pinned comment :)
"Damn, I can't use this flour, better DROP IT ON THE FLOOR AND PICK IT UP AGAIN"
That Evolution of Combat diss made me laugh more than it should have and I play the hell out of RS3. Love your videos, Colonello.
The savant model thing is like only knowing coworkers working remotely and not knowing how tall or whatever they are
I always thought that corner of varrock seemed odd, like i almost forget it exists because besides the magic shop there's not much down there, makes sense if that would have been the player owned houses
Man it would be amazing to have ownable property in Runescape, There is no way in hell I could afford it but it would be awesome, imagine how much GP it would be worth
Smoothest sponsor transition I've ever heard.
Haha thank you!
should have shown the apothecary during the keeps ad for the pharmacy
pvp everywhere was awesome, you could even pk in the bank as long as you killed all the guards, otherwise the guards would attack the attacker. Great video as always.
They have that right now in old school Deadman worlds
I wish there were old builds saved of early RS2.
I just love that broken rune crossbow
Top old school creator
Thank you! :D
Growing up my Mom was an elementary teacher and we'd go to school an hour early every day. I'd get on RuneScape in her classroom and do stupid things like die from scorpions and cry about it 😆 but as I got older my Dad got me a crappy 7in laptop that was sooo slow but I would still be able to play! Now I'm 25 with two kids and a husband and they like to hangout with me while I'm play and the kids love to ask a million questions.
Thats awesome ! I'm also 25 although having kids with my wife isn't something I actually want soon, I'd be happy for them to like it as much as i did one day!
I played RS on 6/6/06. I remember being told to put my items in my bank because there was a serious scam going on. I was literally in Falador, but on a different world where the "massacre" began. I didn't believe what I was told. But it seems liked people quickly learned how to do the glitch, and I very much remember going into a combat ring and teleporting out so I could attack people, but they could not retaliate. I didn't kill anyone, I was very young tbh and it made me super anxious so I went back to the house, entered the ring again, and exited--I lost that ability to pvp at this moment.
I'm guessing the bug was a player needed to "exit combat ring" to lose the ability to attack other players, so you could tele out and attack anyone!
Hey Colonello, I have a PC that I used to play RS on. In early 2009, my family bought a new computer and stuck this one in the basement. I'm actually still in possession of the computer, so i'm 100% sure that I have all the RS cache from 2009. How could I go about exploring the data? or is it worth sending to anyone for someone to look at?
The Reddit thread in the description goes into some detail about it. You would have caches from 2004 and 2006 too, if you started playing before then. It's definitely worth checking!
2009scape
"Jagex didn't do systematic backups until 2012" - Jagex's greatest lie
10:01 You _know_ the first thing they would do is clip into the gold vault in the Varrock bank basement
I have an old computer in my closet that hasn't seen use since around 2009. I need to dig that out lol
Jagex didn't start doing backups before 2012... you gotta be kidding me lmao
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*EXTRA INFO ABOUT THE FALADOR MASSACRE GLITCH*
Many of you are confused as to why the flour glitch could have caused the Falador Massacre. Unfortunately, I cannot go back and re-edit the video to clarify, so hopefully, you all see this pinned comment! I contacted a wiki staff member who helped with this video and got more information.
The bug that caused the massacre was almost certainly not in the game until June 6th, 2006. Hundreds of thousands of players had been trying Construction and attending house parties long prior to June 6th. So something as simple as "getting kicked from the house while in the combat ring allows you to attack people" would have been discovered long before then. The only documented change made to Construction on June 6th was the flour update. So the flour didn't necessarily directly cause the massacre bug, however, Construction's code was revamped because of it. Had the flour bug never existed, it's likely the massacre could have never occurred. This is all just a theory though, and I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Makes little sense.
People speculate it was different on June 6th because it was supposedly never anywhere as crowded in one particular instance of a house party than in cursed you's house that day. I doubt the flour could be a cause, as it was merely about replacing one item from the larder to another, and not so much about fixing some broken spaghetti code.
Verzik being stronger than Zuk?
"hair loss treatment" is a scam that prays on men who have insecurity about going bald when it really doesn't matter and doesn't make a difference. lmao Dick move.
Mostly f your modern videos are like:
Did you know that most men will experience hair loss at age 35? Use Keeps! Literally shipment from your home!
I have no knowledge on the Steven bots. Saw one with a PK skull though. Was thoroughly impressed.
Take him to the wilderness and type war.
Ok, that was wierd, the video's audio did'nt play at first when i first played the video....now it's perfectly fine.
the 6 min mark i tell so many people you used to be pkable ANYWHERE. this was an option in the character creation process too. you could only switch twice in your entire life.
Damn, I just had my old hard drives drilled through. Oh well
i was at cursed you's house party back in the day and yes they do know what caused it. The entire server was online and inside his house. people were waiting to log onto the server just to get to this party. my whole clan was there at the time. In the dungeon there is an option to have pvp on and off. They had to pvp on and expelled everyone from the house. If you had a dialog open when you were expelled you still had the attack option after you left the house. runehq interviewed cursed you after this happened. There should be an interview on exactly what happened
I know you're just trying to make a dollar but please don't remind me that I'm going to go bald. I don't need to be reminded I'm going to go bald, I would really rather not think about it and just deal with it when I get there.
Imagine wanting to keep your hair. I look forward to the day I go bald, less maintenance.
its actually crazy to me that runescape before 2012 didnt have backups like jeez
Very good content on this one, awesome to see the cache discoveries covered, however I think a bit more room to breathe between the topics would help the video flow better. I think it's just a question of editing, and only a minor quibble. Loved the video nonetheless.
Thank you! I’ll keep that in mind for future videos :)
Runescape 2 was the first mmo I ever played and it was one of the first "real" games I ever played that wasn't like some children's learning game or something.
real gamers are on the ultimate in anti-balding pills- estradiol
Imgine paying $600,000 on a small house with nothing in it thats literly just a few pixils on your screen
You mean yacht
that was a pretty smooth sponsor transition ngl
Kineer is in the catacombs of kourend now
Never realized the infamous June 6th 2006 is 666 lol
Ahhh yes, 6 6 2006 my birthday. Love it
You make me want to pull the cache files from my old laptops/computer
0:30 that sounded oddly specific and personal
the old flour looked very sus
13:26 …no? That’s why I clicked on the video. How did the useless item break the game? Video ended early
durial is 6 letters and 3+2+1=6 and it happend on june 6th 2006. hmmmm?
Me balding and WATCHING the ad:hmm hmm tell me more
What's sad is my old computer as kid used to be SOOO shitty it ran runescape at like 2 fps... FeelsBadMan
I know I have cache from 2006 and prior. I have my grandmas old computer I used way back as a kid to play runescape on her dial up internet.
I remember a dude would host weekly parties at the big house where the falador party room is now in like 2005. Shoutout to Roan de Wise
So how did you get to access and play that version of really old RuneScape in the House portion of the video? I only started to play RuneScape recently and I would really like to play a “classic” 2005ish version of the game. How would one go about getting those files and playing the game from that time?
private server
2005 is still OSRS, I’m pretty sure? That’s around the time I started back again and I played the Original RS for a while before quitting. I was younger and remember it being a hell of a game when PvP was on. Lol. You had to toggle it off to do anything at all.
this is that just a few years up
Your explanation of the fally massacre is… there was a soft glitch update? And why does this video even have its name in the first place?
Not the best video ngl, the first four minutes had nothing to do with the title and you didn’t explain how the flour led to the Falador massacre, you just presumed people understood the implication
heh... eoc keeps living rent free
Something people has forgotten nowadays is that "cursed you" the person who got the first construction (cb 124) got KO'ed by I spiili I (a cb 76 which used to be my favourite pker back in the days). While cursed you and some other 100 + cb friends of him were ganking on him in the wildt, I spiili I made a smart move by dropping some torag's loot so he would end up with the fury he looted from Cursed you (I think fury was like 6m back then). just a memory engraved into my mind.
You have a lot of cool information here but you seem to have skipped the actual theory in the title. How did fixing the larder cause the massacre?
colonello please make you videos longer than 5 mins it makes grinding all of them less afk when theyre short
wait no way i remember having flour, dont have it anymore, i wonder what happened to it
How did the flour lead to the massacre? Lol
The pinned comment has more info :)
Part of me wouldn't mind player owned houses in cities, but i've seen how horrible FFXIV handles their housing and restricting it to a single instance really is the only way to go with it. I wouldn't mind if players could be neighbors though
Another classic video Colonello ello ello ay ay ay
Looks like runescape took some notes from Tibia
I played shortly after that, but Ya I do recall people saying that everywhere was pvp, just like in DMM. You had to go to guards to be safe
... I didn't want to get banned, but i'm pretty sure the fally massacre had nothing to do with flour, me and a friend found out if you sent everybody out of a house in the middle of a combat tick from the fight ring, it would leave them with the ability to attack players, and keep everybody with their current HP and statuses. I had the idea to find partyhat players and try to get them to extremely low hp, and then just have my friend kick us out so we could pick up the partyhat... we never implemented it because of morals.. but... it was possible.
you just had to re-click attack right after you got kicked out, and it would have kept it.
That intro was rough…. Tempo was a bit fast, tone was a bit rushed…. Just some things to work on bro keep it up
I remember seeing the Karamthulhu ingame back then and I was at the Falador massacre. I miss RSC.
I can't wait until we are able to asset swap to these older models or textures. I miss the look of the stone walls because walls look plain and lazy as a flat solid color. Bringing back old npc models for nostalgia would be really fun.
keep waiting
I agree, although I didn’t play then I much prefer a lot of the older models
wait wait.... from what i saw in this video.. Its actually possible to make an offline old version of rs using the cashe..
Imagine this.. You know that By release series that was done.. We could for example... do that but legit by "system updates" Via this cashe system if we had a completed list that is. play the game by release as it was originally.. That would be a massive video series if jagex allowed it to stay up.
edit: Imagine putting it together like a Minecraft launcher... were you select the version...
That’s an awesome idea! Seeing the game progress through the series would be so cool
Coincidence you’re talking about grabbing our old CPU’s as ur videos suggesting Bitcoin related material ?😂👀
Youre kinda cute dude, ngl. Not trying to be condescending or anything.
Just like your voice and scripting.
First time I played it was just RuneScape in a browser just like u said g showed. That was 03. I wish I still had the pics from then.
Got an ad for a runescape botting webinar on this video
lowkey this whole 2/3 male pattern baldness by 35 is kinda scary
There's already a few large cache and client backup sites. Ranging from rsc to current rs3/os
??? I was at cursed house the day the falador massacre happened... it wasn't that... it was the greater seer where you would see outside the POH and when kicked it just never got rid of the option to attack. durial may have been the most famous but there were several that got away with killing others for some pretty crazy items
The pinned comment has more info :)
@@ColonelloRS if you want further info just lmk.
Gasp! My parents let me play runescape as a kid because I was only allowed to play games that didn’t involve downloads. Turns out I was a real rule breaker!
HOLY SHIT my account is from the pvp on/off era. I talk about it sometimes on Reddit / in game and people don't believe me!! I was just a kid but I even remember a update when you were only allowed to change pvp on/off 3 times!!
2:48 Actually I'm 34 and not going bald.. But i was there when runescape was a baby back when their was no members area, and white wolf mountain was not really reachable. I actually when they made Talvery and announced a members area. My original account was justin69er and MoneyG2006 one got hacked and the other got lost i think. But the account i play on is still pretty old. Oh yeah and i got to play with Andrew a few times when i was a kid and he was too. Runescape was just called Runescape back then it wasn't classic until modern days.
There is a dog that follows you
Shout out to the one guy who thought it was a good idea to save a copy of the older game! XD