The Disturbing RuneScape Armed Robbery
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In 2007, two boys attempted to rob another boy of his valuable RuneScape items. The two boys had grown extremely jealous of his RuneScape wealth and wanted it for themselves. Today we discuss what happened to everyone involved in this story, and how RuneScape changed Dutch law forever.
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@Zamorsnacc "Oh yeah, a kid was almost killed over items in a video game, but first, let me try to sell you something."
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@@Reinhard96 Thousands of true crime videos have sponsors. Was binging a lot of them before making this video :) Plus in the end, nobody was actually hurt.
As someone who's touched lightning and is still alive you can def touch electricity and it won't be the last thing you touch lol. Just a small chance tho lmfao
It's hilarious to me that they focused on the digital aspect of this case and not the fact that they forced this kid against his will into a house, with threats of violence and a weapon lmao
if youre having a case for armed robbery, both parts matter. The armed part was already proven, but the robbery part was still being debated.
Well yeah, but you'd at least hope trespassing and assault was a slam dunk there. They were hopefully pushing the armed robbery but failing that would go for the trespass and armed robbery.
@@TPKPatchy if they are being sentenced for violent actions you can not be sentenced for armed robbery anymore. That would being sentenced for the same thing twice which is illegal. Therefor they wanna slam dunk the worst offensive crime
US law is different to Dutch law@@Im_Leka
Yeah, I just commented this above in the same vein
Why does this all center around defining theft? It doesn't matter; if you forget RuneScape entirely, this was still a brutal assault. I'd still think that would be several months in juvi for kids or a felony count of 1-5yrs for an adult. The theft just makes it worse, that's not even the main crime.
Community service??? I'm not saying try them as adults but come on, no time served is insane for an adult or child
I’m still amazed that the assault on the poor kid and the threatening at knifepoint wasn’t the main issue here. Screw the theft…when someone threatens you with a knife, that’s messed up.
exactly
and illegal!
While I'm not sure how dutch law works, I know that In the us there is a difference between federal and civil cases and how they are tried. I imagine there could possibly be a similar situation here, where the assault and battery was charged in a federal equivalent court whereas the theft was tried at the civil level.
No it was one of the two issues. The police wanted to prosecute the assailants for hurting someone AND for theft. The hurting part was pretty obvious and was solved really fast, that's why Collonello doesn't talk about that. The 'theft' part was unclear then
robbed at dds point
When none of my true crime youtubers are uploading anything, I can count on Colonello to provide some true crime x RS crossover content. Thank you LOL!
compared to the cases you see on true crime documentaries two kids beating up another kid and threatening him at knifepoint to give them his runescape items seems pretty tame not gonna lie
Any recommendations? I only know of JCS - Criminal Psychology.
Maybe you should Stop exploiting victims of murder for the sake of your entertainment. Just saying.
@@s_ludge unseen comes to mind
@@s_ludgedreading, that chapter and coffeehouse crime are my top picks
I like how stealing the RuneScape items was the biggest part of this case and not the felonious assault and armed robbery.
way more psychologically damaging to lose a halloween mask than a face.
The assault was pretty open and shut. Let's not imply that they cared more about the theft than the assault because we're trying to be clever on the internet.
To clarify: the undecided part of the legal analysis was the theft. That these boys were in a lot of trouble for assaulting someone was clear.
The issue is whether or not it was assault to further another crime, namely theft, which leads to an increased penalty as it is what is called a qualified crime. Much like rape has qualifications: rape without violence, with violence, or involving murder. The worse the qualification gets the higher the maximum penalty under the law.
When people study high court cases or learn about them, they should realise that the High Courts will only consider the part of the case that is relevant to the appeal. No one was ever for a second under the illussion that assault isn't a serious crime.
@@hasseo1 Colonello was implying the entire time that the assault charges were dismissed, via not bringing it up at all in the story after it happened. Absolutely bonkers how he didn't clarify at all what was going on with the violent charges.
Their parents appealed the verdict even though their kids beat up another kid and stole their digital goods. Clearly shows that the kids beating up others was not something natural but instead something they learned from their parents. No shame.
L take, parents are going to love their kids inherently and be more likely to believe x didn't happen or wasn't as bad etc and immediately going to "this proves they're ontologically evil or did something bad" is very cringe. it's not like, IDEAL, i agree that it's not a good thing and shouldn't like, lead to lighter sentencing or them not being punished etc
Nah like, you could be right for sure, but i reckon it's equally likely that they just wanted to be able to deal with the kids' punishment themselves as opposed to being punished by law and having that on their records etc
in the netherlands we call those parents "tokkies"
@@lgbtthefeministgamer4039… they got knives mate. That is indefensible, and your take is the L take.
@lgbtthefeministgamer4039 Your take is def terrible here. A parent can love their child unconditionally while still understanding they did wrong. Having literally every single party admit to the fact that your child threatened another child with a knife, and instead of trying to make your child take accountability, appealing the case multiple times is shit parenting. Not teaching your child to own up and grow from mistakes is absolutely bad parenting.
I remember this story very well. The guys on the news made an account and tried the game out and were talking about farming and stuff because parents were worried about the game.
Imagine being the parents of a child who beat and threatened another child and then having the gall to appeal the verdict to try and find a loophole to basically say “our kid did nothing wrong”
11:23
Personally I think this is a deflection on the part of the lawyer. The case isn't about Intellectual Property, it's about MMO players using violence and intimidation to steal seemingly valuable items from another player.
I had like 3 santa hats in 2007 was bragging about the dark bows i was merching and got invited to a friends to play castle wars we played on the two computers in their office. Then we logged off and watched the movie 300. While watching his older brother was in the room stealing all my items
In the dutch law children under the age of 12 are not able to be punished by law, im guessing thats why the younger boy didn't get punished
@NaNoRarhmental institution
@NaNoRarhif you kill 100 people you’re mental lol
@NaNoRarh parents mainly are held accountable, also theres a whole system without jail that a kid has to go through incase of serious crime.
It's similar in other countries but if the crime is severe enough they'll still be tried. In Britain the legal age is 13 but younger children have still been imprisoned due to the nature of their crime.
"Lucas" grew up to be Woox. Everybody knows this is his origin story.
lol different countries but otherwise believable
I hard disagree that the point about jagex owning the items is good argument. If someone rents a car and i walk up with a gun, beat them up and steal it its equally bad. it doesnt make it okay just because its rented. And the same point you brought up about the library is also applicable here.
9:13 Jagex were the real pioneers of NFTs.
From what you described, they could have been charged with kidnapping unlawful imprisonment and assault.
160 hours is nothing to a RuneScape player
lmao imagine if the prosecutor said this
If i buy bonds with real money and someone robs me 2 things are gonna happen im gonna be pissed and someone may die
I feel like the fact that they committed physical assault and whatnot as part of the theft is good enough reason to punish them myself 🤷
Only less then 200 hours of work for beating a child and threating to kill them with a knife? where is justice? that boy should have gone to jail
welcome to netherlands where murdering some one gives less time then robbery wish i was jokin sadly iam not
@@yukimizuno4046 In the Netherlands, the Maximum sentence for murder is a life sentence, which does not have a possibility of parole, which is actually *more* strict than most other countries in Europe. So I am curious where your statement is coming from.
@@DrCaesarMD wel idk were your statement comes from but cleary you have no idea how it works here lol it no were near life sentence lol if you good behavior ur out within 6 years lol and i would know cus a old friend of mine went for murder and came out wihin 6 years so yea not mention the jails here are like a hotel anyways
Our laws are a joke.
@@DrCaesarMD Yeah only life is rarely life, only with forced treatment there is a slim chance. I know a guy who killed someone and was out in 8 years.
very intriguing video as always. Im surpised the court was more conerned about theft than say assault. I would think the theft part would be an afterthought.
Thank you! I wondered the same thing. I can't confirm if its true, but I came across a comment that explained why while I was researching:
"“Because the charge was theft accompanied by assault and threats. If you can't prove the theft you can't prove the charge, since plain assault or plain threatening weren't charged separately. Meaning no conviction. You can't (easily) change a charge during the trial. Also, the original charge would have netted a higher punishment.”"
Beyond Colonello’s point, assault/battery are established crimes. To me it seems the theft was given so much additional attention because it was the first case of it’s kind
I asked my girlfriend (who has a masters degree in law); she said the assualt part was probably handled by the lower court, and that the digital robbery part (since it involves a "new" situation not yet contained within Dutch law) is handled by the supreme court
Lucas shoulda just trained defense irl smh
Okay the theft aspect is cool and all but what did the court say about the blatant assault done on "Lucas"? That alone warrants criminal charges.
Actually almost been in a situation like that when I was a kid. I managed to get away from the situation and never encountered the other guy again.
Oh do tell the story brother
Lmao runescape related?
@@youknowthe444 It doesn't need to be runescape related to still relate tot he story.
@erickchristensen746 right I was just curiois. These crime stories are always interesting no matter what. I'm tempted to listen to crime documentaries throughout my shift now.
@@youknowthe444 I'm on a vampire creepypasta kick ATM. Was skin walker and werewolf stories for the last month though.
Some of these short story writers are awesome.
As a dutchie, I remember this story and was the reason I wasnt allowed to play for a couple of months
YOU ARE NOT JOINING THAT RUNESCAPE GANG!!!11
older boys lawyer was high “he done nothing wrong” 🤦🏻 he literally beat a young boy and threatened him with a knife 🤣🤦🏻
it's the lawyer's job to defend their client, friend
@@lgbtthefeministgamer4039 That doesn't make the Lawyer any less stupid.
@@lgbtthefeministgamer4039 Lawyers are criminals in a suit, always have been.
@@styxzero1675 Actually they make us wear robes.
0:34 our houses don't look like that! 😂
crazy stufffff amd ear;y congratzzzz on 100k you gon hit it
if this happened to you in the US you’re fucked. Imagine being like 13 and telling the police somebody robbed you for runescape items. They would laugh in your face. At best they’d pretend to write things down. But no way would they ever question the other two kids or more importantly force them to log onto runescape to give the items back
I'm much more concerned about them holding knifes on the kid than stealing the pixels..
fucking this
The knives are certainly why the case went as far as it did. If it was a simple act of bullying the kid into trading his stuff over then it definitely wouldn't have even went past the initial police stage.
Seems their defence was just trying to cling onto the technicality that it may not actually be theft to try to get the entire charge dropped (hence the focus on the stealing of pixels).
One of the highest quality videos I've seen in the RS sphere in a good minute. Cheers!
That means a lot, thank you so much!
Yeah i’ve had this case in my introduction to law in college. Interesting video. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Grabbing knives and threatening a life, and they only got community service? That’s bs.
Welcome to the Netherlands mate where you can kill somebody and get 2-5 years and the prisons are like a hotel with bars lmfao
I wasn’t aware that assault with a deadly weapon isn’t criminal in the Netherlands
Hahahaha i life in netherlands and this story every dutch runescape player know this 😂
take a shot every time he says boy
LMAO
I have died lol
Love the info we’d normally never see. Such a great channel here.
This was very fun to learn about during my law studies in the Netherlands. In addition to this case, there's just been a new ruling regarding a gold seller that now has to pay taxes over their money gained with the gold-selling; further cementing the viewpoint that Runescape gold represents real world value after all.
I don't even think the tangiblity of the items matters. Those kids took a kid forcefully to their house, and violently assaulted him. They threatened to end him. That's insane and definitely worth more than community service
this case is used a lot in law schools in the Netherlands. Mostly because this type of crime was something new and huge for modern law.
tl;dr, if you put in real time/money to obtain an item, it has real-world value. Thus, stealing online is no different from stealing IRL.
So... you explained the Dutch law perfectly (I JUST finished an IT-Law module which used this case)
Hello Colonello great video. Where could we get your campfire background wallpaper from?
Can I ask where you got the Runescape campfire wallpaper for your desktop background? Great vids btw, I just subbed.
In the lawyers defense, he took on a lost cause... both the younger and older boys had already confessed in their statements to the police
His legal arguments aren't that bad honestly.
I'm hearing... assault, attempted murder, assault with the intent to murder, premeditated assault with the intent to commit murder and identity theft. (1. Discussed 'taking' the 'items' in question, and following through with it. 2. Kicking the boy, punching him. 3. Pulling the chair he was using to play on his password locked account out from under him and using his private account, linked with his private EMail, which most likely had his private information on it (Ie. Passwords, recovery information, payment information, address, shipping information etc.) without his written, and or verbal consent.
Its the slammer for the kids, and a thorough investigation into the parent's conduct which led to this point, with potential CPS involvement.
God forbid their murderous child have to do 168h of community service as punishment for assaulting someone with a knife. The fact that they were going through such lengths to prevent a very light punishment is sickening.
I've actually had this case in a law course at Dutch university indeed!
Very bizarre that the case was about theft. The thing in the center should be the assault, threats on Lucas's life, and what is essentially robbery. Feels like the legal system failed big time.
I feel like the younger boy should be considered the ring leader in all of this, the older boy seems like he was just following along since he never made a choice that wasn't spearheaded by the younger boy
This is the first time stealing of digital goods is classified as value and is now punishable. We call it the Runescape Arrest in the Netherlands.
Why was the focus on the stolen items, not the fact they beat the shit outta him lmfao
i feel like the issues around conspiracy, coercion, death threats, assault and battery, brandishing deadly weapons, kidnapping should have came first but idk yea lets focus on the items under any other lens than motive first cool.
We had kids threatening each other for rs stuff back in 2005 at my school. But the worst thing that happened to me was when I went to my friends house to help me with dragon slayer. He had played the game much longer than I had at that point and I wasn’t too good at English, so he helped me with the quest. He told me to bring my best gear and as the fight with Elvarg started he just closed the browser. He didn’t even steal my stuff, he just wanted me to lose it.
I lost a rune legs, adamant plate, rune full helm, which isn’t much, but imagine that back in those days, how much time I spent, what little information and especially what little information I was able to actually take part of. It took me a lot of time to even get to this point
good work as always
Damn, the Dutch law prevaile din such a kickass way.
For real though, how can someone threaten your life over ANYTHING, stealing or not, and get away with it? That's such a crazy thing to think of and it happens all the time...
You know what really is scary? That people like you get to vote. Because somehow from this story you concluded the opposite of what happened.
Carry a gun.
It's crazy how much real world influence RuneScape has
I love that Colonello has “that” Garfield plush in the background
Lawyer must have been called Gaul Soodman
Honestly his arguments are solid. The point isn't to agree with yourself or condone your client's actions. An extremely basic principle of law that apparently no one in the mob understands.
As a dutch, i can give some insight why there is little info on the younger boy.
Under a certain age we try to keep information to minimum, when he turns 18 he shouldn't have a criminal record.
Interesting, thank you!
Robbing a kid for his stuff in Runescape, under the threat of knifing him, is disgusting and pathetic.
This was great story to be told. Thanknyoy 🙏🏼
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm with everyone else. They looked at this case and went "oh that's a theft case" When two boys had threatened, assaulted, by legal accounts KIDNAPPED, and then threatened murder? Like yeah, theft is what matters.
I thought the knife segment was about to turn into a Hello Fresh ad lol
isnt the more concerning thing the fact these 2 boys physicaly harmed the kid, ignoring the theft aspect assualting someone regardless of age is still a serious crime
6:31 doesn't matter if someone has ever been punished for digital theft, they wanted to kill him man...
The real question is, who’s funding these appeals?? To take a case to a Supreme Court takes a lot of time, money, and effort. Why is it being appealed to the highest court over 160 hours of community service?
man i remember the golden days youd constantly find players that were clearly about to die at barrows and people would just be sitting there waiting and watching then spam click the tile they died on
Garfield is always watching.
He lurks in the shadows
oh no!
Garfield is omnipresent.@@ColonelloRS
Forget the theft of Runescape items… what about the assault charges? Threatening to kill someone and brandishing knives to intimate a victim is also an indictable offence.
Under UK law, the perpetrators would have gained unauthorised access to computer material and therefore have broken the law under the computer misuse act.
Love your vids nello
Thank you Sin
"can't steal something you can't even touch" betting the people behind crypto heists love this logic.
I remember seeing this on the news at the time! It was indeed about a halloween mask
Funny how the whole assault, kidnapping, and threatening to kill was all swept under the rug
Child abduction, threats with a deadly weapon, physical assault, nbd… take my osrs bank call the lawyer
Should look into the other case where guys were robbed at gunpoint for gold in an IRL exchange
9:50 “Going to the library to PK. Hoping for some good drops 🤩”
All this talk of theft when buddy was dual wielding knives doing the jig on his body
What are you talking about theft for the court case? They assaulted him, threatened him with knives, threatened his life, that's a court case in itself.
Imagine being concerned by the theft charge, when they kidnapped and assaulted the kid.
If someone stole my items im coming back with a Drag Warhammer 😅
Community service for assault and theft? That’s messed up.
In most other countries they probably would’ve gotten much bigger sentences. The Netherlands is notorious for light punishment.
Does anyone know the song at the end that starts at 13:03? It sounds so familiar to me, I just can't quite place where it was from.
Even if they dident get charged for theft they would still get charged for abduction, assault and death threats aswell as brandishing a deadly weapon no?
Yes we dutch scapers aint safe on these streets (if we ever go outside)
If i ever found out my kid did some crap like this and it was proven, hell no i wouldnt appeal it. Kid would get no PC for a good long while on top of the community service the court gave.
I am a law school grad and an OSRS player and this was the most interesting vid I’ve seen in a while!
I mean, you now look there is a digital item worth a value now in Bitcoin, so the courts were definitely on to something
I had something i guess similar to this as a kid, some kid was bragging about his items and gave me the pw to his account, so i logged on and took all of his good stuff. While i was doing it he was msging me on msn and asking me to log out really quick and then log back in, i had already taken his stuff and knew he wanted to change the pw so i just logged out. He was msging me begging for the stuff back and i said no, so his parents showed up at my house yelling at me at the age of 8 to give him his stuff back, i explained it to my parents and they laughed and said no. According to my parents his parents contacted the police and included the part that he gave me his pw and nothing was ever done about it. Found out at school that his parents actually bought him gold for his birthday and thats why they were so upset.
Great as always
Thank you!
Threat to harm, agrevated assault, battery occuring actual (minor) bolily harm, occuring severe distress & threat to kill.
They should be in prison.
'nobody has ever been prosicuted for theft of a digital item before' like they didnt force him into a house, beat him up and threaten him with a knife? i think thats what the court was more interested in.
To clarify: the undecided part of the legal analysis was the theft. That these boys were in a lot of trouble for assaulting someone was clear.
The issue is whether or not it was assault to further another crime, namely theft, which leads to an increased penalty as it is what is called a qualified crime. Much like rape has qualifications: rape without violence, with violence, or involving murder. The worse the qualification gets the higher the maximum penalty under the law.
When people study high court cases or learn about them, they should realise that the High Courts will only consider the part of the case that is relevant to the appeal. No one was ever for a second under the illussion that assault isn't a serious crime.
Stand and Deliver!
Those kids did borderline kidnapping/assault the focus was the digital goods? What if bro still said no and they stabbed him??? It's crazy they focused on their reason of the kidnapping vs the actual kidnapping
Very interesting video! Thank you for sharing
Glad you enjoyed it!
Back in like 2003 I had a kid show up at my house, I didnt know him but I knew he was a friend of a friend. When I opened the door he asked me for his P hat back. After some confusion I finally understood what he was talking about. That mutual friend stole his party hat and told him it was me. pretty sure the kid whos party hat was stolen is in jail for violent crimes.
I did nearly the same thing to my brother around the exact same time, wild.
That is the greatest Police report ever. One involving Runescape
Did Jagex ever ban the old and young kids runescape accounts? Cool video
This literally happened to me for my santa hat and whip in Belgium in 2008. I wish I had gone to the cops.
friend of mine invited me over after school and we played runescape, when I logged in, his older cousin yanked me away from the computer and dropped my valuables, he had someone else waiting to pick them up, it was all premeditated.
I started crying and yelling, my friends mother threw me out of the house, I waited for the older cousin to leave the house, to ask for my items back, he came outside with a tree branch from the garden and beat me with it until I ran. My "friend" in the back just watching.
Next day at school he turned my only other friend against me somehow, without friends and due to bullying, I changed schools a few months later.
Junior and Dante, if you ever happen to read this, I hope the Santa hat brought you two lots of joy, I still have problems trusting people.
How the hell do they act like nothing happened when he was beat and threatened to be killed for items? In the states that would be pretty serious, at least I think.
Ngl we had the same as kids a kid from internet cafe stole my mates items cleaned his acc so I took the boys from the cafe found out were he lived and went straight round there and his mum made him trade it all back there and then and gave us a lift back to the cafe lol 😂😂