I get wanting to have a cheating scandal, makes for good drama between characters... but literally ANY other romantic coupling than Jim and Pam would be better for that.
Suits wanted the same for Fast and Furious. They wanted Letty to cheat on Dominic, and Michelle laughed at them and told them there was no way a woman like Letty would cheat on a man like Dom.
Despite producing thinking people like drama, they don’t understand the drama we actually like. It’s not making a beloved character a cheater that’s for sure.
There's a reason why they do it. It's cause people do like that sort of drama. They just don't like it for his character in the office. It's like producers don't know when to execute such a plot.
@@Manmeetsboy but Akira mentioned in an interview that Yamcha was a cheater, something that everyone, Including the VA for Yamcha, said was out of character.
He was completely right, Jim has flaws like every character in the show but his love for Pam was the core of his character it would be a total betrayal.
@@TheVioletWolf exactly, even though the idea of him cheating seems out of character but doing it right after Pam gave birth is like some villain level behavior.
@@silfuszerilius4594 Not to mention how Jim mentioned in the seasons before how much he loved Pam and how he had for so long just to throw her away once he got her? Makes 0 sense.
i think they did that cause he was doing the hangover movies so they tanked his character which sucks cause he was actually likeable after his development
I really appreciate it when actors stick up for the writing of their characters because there are major problems with characters in a show that goes on for several seasons where the writers or producers end up completely mischaracterizing them.
Such a bizzare time too. I was rarely happier than after my daughter was born. I felt so much responsibility to provide a happy home for her. I’d never cheat on my wife but this feels like cheating on your family.
I think most people see a man that would do that to his wife that just bore him a child, as utter trash. John was right to fight for his character. Edited: I actually loved the episode where he rejected that girl🤘😜 My husband was propositioned when I was pregnant. He probably should have told me right away, but he didn’t want me to spend my last months of my pregnancy being pissed, so he waited till after the baby was born.
Glad they listened to him. He's not only a good actor, but good producer himself. I still think "Quiet Place" is one of the best horror movies out there
Literally to this day people still think of Jim and Pam as relationship goals. Their relationship might have been fictional, but it’s given a lot of people inspiration.
Listen to the actor who plays the character. They know the character. Ryan Reynolds told the director that sowing deadpool's mouth shut was a terrible idea. Who was right? Duh
They were trying to create drama to keep fans engaged in what happens next like in the earlier seasons but it would have come at the cost of completely ruining Jim Halpert who was not only a main character but very well-liked.
I want an interview with the writers as to why they thought it would be a good idea and why they now think John is right. I wonder if The Office podcast ever addresses this.
Yeah, suits always have a mindset that drama equals good, but when something is established well, of course, it will get backlash because they ruin the characters' true nature that way.
Did they not learn from Grays Anatomy. They made Gray’s love interest cheat on her and it ended up ruining the character so bad they killed him off the show
I definitely think it would've been a bad idea in general, but let's not act like their characters were stand up people who would NEVER do such a thing.
Whose idea was it to do something like that that’s a terrible idea. The office is supposed to be a comedy. I don’t even like it, but I think that’s a bad idea. That sounds like something you would do in a drama show not in a comedy.
Too bad you're an actor it's a script You're not going to rewrite it just because you don't feel like it and I honestly think it would have been better cuz Pam she's a terrible person Jim is way too good for her he deserves a better woman
Had he agreed, it would've tanked HIS career. THAT'S what they were after: to get him desperate and therefore dependent but he refused to give up his POWER! 🫅💪
It's not uncommon for actors to know their characters better then anyone. In fact, some of the best directors concede to that fact entirely - that it's a collaborative effort for a reason.
Weak, unimaginative Scriptwriters always resort to shock value for plot twists to raise audience ratings. Hence, why so many modern TV streaming shows fail.
Sit-Com Producers must have a cheating kink or something ca8se they tried to make Chandler cheat on Monica in Friends too but like here Chandler pushed back and didn't let it happen. Matthew and Joh are Legends for not backing down.
It shows a lack of creativity on the writers’ behalf. When creating drama and suspense in a relationship between two characters, cheating is not the only option you have. Seriously, they had almost every other relationship in that show go through cheating for drama. Angela with Andy, Dwight, the Senator. Stanley with Teri and his other woman. The Senator with Angela and Oscar. I’m sure there’s more. But this highlights the point I’m making with how many times they had affair happen to create drama in relationships. Them trying to recycle the same drama in the main relationship in the show is lazy, and doesn’t make sense when you take a look at the characters. Jim’s character was heavily defined by his love for Pam. Having him cheat goes against everything he was written to be. It’s baffling to me that the producers were so determined to do it…that the only thing that stopped them was when viewership and ratings were brought into the conversation. They didn’t care about what made sense for the story and characters. They didn’t care about writing off one of the central focuses of the show. Just the ratings and viewership…🤦🏻♂️ If your main actor who had been involved for years tells you something is or isn’t a good idea, you should probably listen to them. They’ve been involved long enough to know what they’re talking about.
It's because writer's are taught to introduce conflict, which isn't wrong, but sometimes the choice of conflicts is just lazy. An affair? Really? What is this Days Of Our Lives?
I hated the character on the show. His character is an exaggeration of the lazy crony/nepo office worker who fails upward… except without the nepo/crony stigma, and without the failure because of contrived writing where skill/work don’t factor into success on any project, except if it’s someone else’s. This made him even more detestable. But I recall Gervais saying something about “that’s the sort of heroes Americans like to watch”. I think this is a big cultural divide 😂
They tried doing this to Matthew Perry too. We all like drama and conflict, but a full blown affair is a heavy topic. As a guy, with 2 kids, I’ve gone through the drought where things are stressful, you’ve not got a lot of spare time, your partner is always in a mood. Doesn’t mean I’m going to cheat on her.
This reminds me of Friends. Matthew Perry apparently protested greatly when writers originally wanted to make his character Chandler Bing cheat on Monica I think with some flight attendant. He refused to do this believing that it would be horrible for the narrative and makes no sense considering his character has essentially trauma from his parents divorce who broke up because his dad had an affair. Of course the dad was gay, but he still cheated and he believed with that upbringing Chandler would never ever cheat on someone he loved.
Cheating drama does not work for all char. Jim would not ever cheat. Like that was the dynamics of their love story. It would destroy the Jim entire char. Glad that he did not do it.
Except that this isn’t true Jenna fisher who plays Pam actually talks about this in her podcast She said the writer toyed with the idea but they immediately scrapped it when both Jenna and John said they didn’t like the idea Fake news. Do your research before spreading stuff like this
I remember reading about this and I get annoyed every time I think of that almost being a story plot. Especially when we’ve followed Jim and Pam from BEFORE their love story, where they were pining for each other. WHY would ANYONE want to see the man who has been in love with his significant other just decide to cheat???
It’s wild that he had to explain to them why that plot arc was a bad idea.
Losing a child or spouse would crate “drama” without turning a good man into a monster.
I get wanting to have a cheating scandal, makes for good drama between characters... but literally ANY other romantic coupling than Jim and Pam would be better for that.
It's Hollyweird, if it's not satan approved behavior, it's not fit to air
All the suits hear is “drama” they have no connection to these characters.
Suits wanted the same for Fast and Furious. They wanted Letty to cheat on Dominic, and Michelle laughed at them and told them there was no way a woman like Letty would cheat on a man like Dom.
Despite producing thinking people like drama, they don’t understand the drama we actually like. It’s not making a beloved character a cheater that’s for sure.
*clears throat* Yamcha
There's a reason why they do it. It's cause people do like that sort of drama. They just don't like it for his character in the office. It's like producers don't know when to execute such a plot.
@@A.Cobalt yamcha was not a cheater, that's just a bunch of bs that bulma and vegeta fans came up with to defend bulma cheating on yamcha with vegeta
And not just that, that drama would transfer to the actors like the jofrey kid on game of thrones
@@Manmeetsboy but Akira mentioned in an interview that Yamcha was a cheater, something that everyone, Including the VA for Yamcha, said was out of character.
He was completely right, Jim has flaws like every character in the show but his love for Pam was the core of his character it would be a total betrayal.
Especially after a baby?!
@@TheVioletWolf exactly, even though the idea of him cheating seems out of character but doing it right after Pam gave birth is like some villain level behavior.
@@silfuszerilius4594 Not to mention how Jim mentioned in the seasons before how much he loved Pam and how he had for so long just to throw her away once he got her? Makes 0 sense.
everyone already hated Jim, he is in the top 10 most hated tv characters, he just didnt want to be #1
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Jim would NEVER cheat on Pam.
For real it be stupid for them to do that
No he'd just abandon her for months on end
Jim's story still doesn't make him out to be a good partner
He didn't abandon her she told him to go and follow his dreams
@@charlesletendre6723 he did tho
Eh, Jim's a shitty character. He's mean to the people he works with.
Unfortunately, nobody stopped the producers from ruining Andy's character.
Fr! A bunch of character development just washed away
A small good came for it though, they got to see their idea was stupid and wrong
Yeah, I never understood why he stopped talking for 3 months with his girlfriend after he himself went to lengths to get her to be his girlfriend.
Meh. Honestly I never liked Andy anyways, so it doesn’t affect me for them to ruin him
i think they did that cause he was doing the hangover movies so they tanked his character which sucks cause he was actually likeable after his development
John stood up for his belief! Good for him!
I really appreciate it when actors stick up for the writing of their characters because there are major problems with characters in a show that goes on for several seasons where the writers or producers end up completely mischaracterizing them.
I hate when producers think they're writers. Leave the writing to the...writers
This is why I love him. He’s one of the few actors to have morals and stick to them 😌
Cheating is just an easy plot that it just doesn't need to be played every series.
Exactly!
Obsession with cheating plot is insane
Such a bizzare time too. I was rarely happier than after my daughter was born. I felt so much responsibility to provide a happy home for her.
I’d never cheat on my wife but this feels like cheating on your family.
That’s how it should be for people! Kind of shows the character of the producers, honestly.
I think most people see a man that would do that to his wife that just bore him a child, as utter trash. John was right to fight for his character.
Edited: I actually loved the episode where he rejected that girl🤘😜 My husband was propositioned when I was pregnant. He probably should have told me right away, but he didn’t want me to spend my last months of my pregnancy being pissed, so he waited till after the baby was born.
This is a terrible thing to say but I think it would be more likely while she is pregnant than after the birth.
@@sarahhunter1114 Smart move. You want to keep your pregnant wife calm, happy and well fed(healthy food).
@@sarahhunter1114considering you just said you wouldn't have taken it correctly no he did the right thing lmao
Glad they listened to him. He's not only a good actor, but good producer himself. I still think "Quiet Place" is one of the best horror movies out there
And he is 100% right. That scene where he has Dwight help him get her out of his room is such a great moment for those guys.
The Kathy storyline was already garbage, but making it so Jim actually goes through with it would have made it truly terrible.
I don't even watch the show but I know that whenever you change the fundamental character of one of those types of people it pisses everyone off.
I agree with John 💯 percent he knows the character better than the producers
Literally to this day people still think of Jim and Pam as relationship goals. Their relationship might have been fictional, but it’s given a lot of people inspiration.
Listen to the actor who plays the character. They know the character. Ryan Reynolds told the director that sowing deadpool's mouth shut was a terrible idea. Who was right? Duh
Matthew Perry also refused to let Chandler cheat on Monica
I can’t believe the producers thought it would be a good idea.
Producers turned stupid glad he saved the show
And let’s not forget, it’s a comedy series not a drama.
Didn’t the show “Dharma and Greg” do an episode where Dharma cheats on Greg and the show lost a lot of their audience?
They were trying to create drama to keep fans engaged in what happens next like in the earlier seasons but it would have come at the cost of completely ruining Jim Halpert who was not only a main character but very well-liked.
The eyes Chico… They never lie!
If Jim did cheat, Dwight wouldnt let that slide, he would be the most disappointed in him or angry rather.
You create drama by following the character personality not by forcing the character to fit the drama
I want an interview with the writers as to why they thought it would be a good idea and why they now think John is right. I wonder if The Office podcast ever addresses this.
Yeah, suits always have a mindset that drama equals good, but when something is established well, of course, it will get backlash because they ruin the characters' true nature that way.
Jim was a villian anyway
Did they not learn from Grays Anatomy. They made Gray’s love interest cheat on her and it ended up ruining the character so bad they killed him off the show
I am glad he refused that plot.
Glad he had more common sense than the people literally paid to do so
So John Krasinki saved the office. It was so much better dreading that he would but never did.
lol Charles about to sneeze at the end
Those producers were not only dumb but sick minded
Writers, directors and producers like them should keep their fantasies to them smh
Nah thank god that didn’t happen, that totally would’ve broken my heart for sure
i hate that they still heavily imply that jim might have cheated off camera
10/10 saved the show, I would have stopped watching the minute he cheated
he was right. what the hell were they thinking
They should have fleshed out Creed more.
If they really did the cheating plot... It'll literally be like most of Malaysian dramas from channel TV3
Tina is the man!!!!!
Bad enough his character turned into a douche, which also didn’t align with his previously written character
And he was absolutely correct. That's the worst storyline ever
That’s crazy the people running the show can’t wrap their head around that. Just total ego shit at work, that’s probably why most new stuff sucks.
Chandler did the same thing.
I definitely think it would've been a bad idea in general, but let's not act like their characters were stand up people who would NEVER do such a thing.
It was a comedy show not a drama. What were they thinking?
Wow. Thank goodness
That would have actually made me hate the show.
He was right
If I wasn't already subscribed I would not have subscribed because I already knew that.
Then they threaten to fire bunch of poodle alphas 😂
Jim!!!
What made them think that was a good Idea 😑
Whose idea was it to do something like that that’s a terrible idea. The office is supposed to be a comedy. I don’t even like it, but I think that’s a bad idea. That sounds like something you would do in a drama show not in a comedy.
This channel is such clickbait
Too bad you're an actor it's a script You're not going to rewrite it just because you don't feel like it and I honestly think it would have been better cuz Pam she's a terrible person Jim is way too good for her he deserves a better woman
Had he agreed, it would've tanked HIS career. THAT'S what they were after: to get him desperate and therefore dependent but he refused to give up his POWER! 🫅💪
Lol so they had Pam do it and become hated
Dude saved the show.
The show ended but that story arc would have ended the same
The dude not only dodged a bullet but also saved the show.
Between this and refusing to renew Steve Carell’s contract, it seems like the producers on The Office were a bunch of dumb asses.
It's not uncommon for actors to know their characters better then anyone. In fact, some of the best directors concede to that fact entirely - that it's a collaborative effort for a reason.
If that man James cheated on Pam after ALL the pining and pursuing, I’d have been upset. Attaboy John.
He was right
Why did you kill him Wanda?😂
@@aegonish idk 😭 Psycho variant
Bro why would that be a good idea 😭
Weak, unimaginative Scriptwriters always resort to shock value for plot twists to raise audience ratings. Hence, why so many modern TV streaming shows fail.
I’m not even a fan but I’ve seen bits and he’s completely right
Yeah Michael leaving was a slow death to the show, Jim cheating would’ve ended it for me right there…..
He's right, but it's crazy that this plotline was almost given to Pam before they got massive pushback and stopped it
Sit-Com Producers must have a cheating kink or something ca8se they tried to make Chandler cheat on Monica in Friends too but like here Chandler pushed back and didn't let it happen.
Matthew and Joh are Legends for not backing down.
That would’ve been dumb
He was 100% right.
Imagine all the girls on dating sites not being able to put "looking for the Jim to my Pam"?
It shows a lack of creativity on the writers’ behalf. When creating drama and suspense in a relationship between two characters, cheating is not the only option you have. Seriously, they had almost every other relationship in that show go through cheating for drama. Angela with Andy, Dwight, the Senator. Stanley with Teri and his other woman. The Senator with Angela and Oscar.
I’m sure there’s more. But this highlights the point I’m making with how many times they had affair happen to create drama in relationships.
Them trying to recycle the same drama in the main relationship in the show is lazy, and doesn’t make sense when you take a look at the characters. Jim’s character was heavily defined by his love for Pam. Having him cheat goes against everything he was written to be. It’s baffling to me that the producers were so determined to do it…that the only thing that stopped them was when viewership and ratings were brought into the conversation. They didn’t care about what made sense for the story and characters. They didn’t care about writing off one of the central focuses of the show. Just the ratings and viewership…🤦🏻♂️ If your main actor who had been involved for years tells you something is or isn’t a good idea, you should probably listen to them. They’ve been involved long enough to know what they’re talking about.
that would have been a horrible horrible mistake. i can’t believe they even pushed back and threatened him ab it.
Producers betraying the fans is the reason i stopped watching TWD
Ya that would absolutely make him one of the most hated characters ever, like actor who played Joffery getting real life death threats level hated 😬
It's because writer's are taught to introduce conflict, which isn't wrong, but sometimes the choice of conflicts is just lazy. An affair? Really? What is this Days Of Our Lives?
It sounds like the producers IMMEDIATELY went hostile 0 hesitation
I think they’re love story made for better television than this horrible idea lol he saved that show. People still love Pam and Jim
Fun fact, John Krasinki also refused to be a good actor and likable human being.
Viewer logic
Pam cheating on her fiancée: okay
Jim cheating on Pam: not okay
Seasons 8 and 9 wouldn’t be cannon if this happened
I hated the character on the show. His character is an exaggeration of the lazy crony/nepo office worker who fails upward… except without the nepo/crony stigma, and without the failure because of contrived writing where skill/work don’t factor into success on any project, except if it’s someone else’s. This made him even more detestable.
But I recall Gervais saying something about “that’s the sort of heroes Americans like to watch”.
I think this is a big cultural divide 😂
I wish Ed Helms would’ve stood up for his character in the same way
Andy’s character arc was awful
It wouldn't be good
They tried doing this to Matthew Perry too.
We all like drama and conflict, but a full blown affair is a heavy topic.
As a guy, with 2 kids, I’ve gone through the drought where things are stressful, you’ve not got a lot of spare time, your partner is always in a mood. Doesn’t mean I’m going to cheat on her.
Why post lies? John was not in all 201 episodes
This reminds me of Friends. Matthew Perry apparently protested greatly when writers originally wanted to make his character Chandler Bing cheat on Monica I think with some flight attendant. He refused to do this believing that it would be horrible for the narrative and makes no sense considering his character has essentially trauma from his parents divorce who broke up because his dad had an affair. Of course the dad was gay, but he still cheated and he believed with that upbringing Chandler would never ever cheat on someone he loved.
Cheating drama does not work for all char. Jim would not ever cheat. Like that was the dynamics of their love story. It would destroy the Jim entire char. Glad that he did not do it.
Except that this isn’t true
Jenna fisher who plays Pam actually talks about this in her podcast
She said the writer toyed with the idea but they immediately scrapped it when both Jenna and John said they didn’t like the idea
Fake news. Do your research before spreading stuff like this
He's not wrong. People still harass the girl who played the character that tried to sleep with Jim.
Never liked the snob of any show. I like the funny ones. Don't understand the reason they keep casting him.
It just shows how messed up TV producers lives are They don’t know what acceptable behavior is or what normal is for most people.
I remember reading about this and I get annoyed every time I think of that almost being a story plot. Especially when we’ve followed Jim and Pam from BEFORE their love story, where they were pining for each other. WHY would ANYONE want to see the man who has been in love with his significant other just decide to cheat???
Yeah, I would have stopped watching, for sure.
How dumb are tv producers? They constantly ruin shows