One quick comment about Elemental Shaman's utility; for the Alliance, every Shaman is a Draenei. So alongside Heroism, Strength of Earth Totem, Wrath of Air Totem, Totem of Wrath, and Elemental Oath, Draenei Elemental Shamans also provide a +1% hit chance to the group they're in. Plus, Gift of the Naaru scales with Spellpower and is instant cast, so alongside all the passive utility, Draenei Elemental Shamans (any Draenei with spellpower, really) come with a free Renew for the tanks/healers in case of an emergency. So Draenei Ele Shamans have a +5% Spell Crit aura, a +5% Spell Haste Aura, a Spellpower Aura, a debuff that makes enemies 3% more vulnerable to crits, Heroism, an emergency Super Renew, and a groupwide +1% hit rate. (Totally not biased btw)
theyre still dumb ass goat things, and all of that utility minus heroism gets brought by others, sure the 1% hit is cool but ill take a 300 sp ap boost on an orc any day of the week
Yeah, the statement of "play what you want" is mostly true, unless you want to play frost mage, BM hunter, or sub rogue. These specs just suck for PvE. Even a casual guild will likely not allow you to play one of these specs for raid, and no PUG will ever take you.
@@Afflictamine Some people like it when they get a regular spot, whether that's in a guild or a weekly PUG. Playing a shitty spec won't get you this, in fact it will get you kicked from random pugs. Dps is so replaceable, there is no reason to ever bring a frost mage unless you want to do some AoE farming. "Play what you want to play" sounds nice, but it's an MMO, other players have a big impact on your gameplay.
You undervalued the utility of destruction warlock. On top of warlocks’ available utility, destro brings replenishment and improved imp which are pretty important buffs to have going.
4:46 "On to the Laser Chicken, the Boomie, or more commonly known; the Balance Druid." I think it's the other way around: "The Balance Druid, more commonly known as the Boomie or Laz0r Chicken."
firenova spam is absolutely ridiculous aoe right now, fire immune groups ruin it, but we got chain lightnings to kinda help with that. Single target still is as boring as ever tho :P.
It's important to add, that some specs that outperform others on paper don't do as well if you personally aren't great at optimizing them. For instance, if you can't juggle the DoTs for Afflcition, Destruction might be the spec that puts out higher numbers for you personally etc. Your best bet is to try out multiple specs and see what allows you to 1.) survive best 2.) be more consistently contributing 3.) less thinking more doing
this is perfectly fine for average to low-skill players, but they will struggle with never being picked by more competent players, since they are playing the "worst spec". Acknowledging your own lack of ability and thus playing a worse spec is handicapping yourself in the grand scheme of things. Personally, i'd see somebody playing destro for PVE as a sign of them being bad and then i'd pick someone else. Elitist or not, it's more efficient and benefits the group more.
@@nordfald3740 Ok, but if you're going for bleeding edge playing you're not getting your info from these kinds of videos. This videos are for casuals, and casuals can play whatever works best for them. I've seen too many people try to make the "best" spec work when they're just not great at it.
I noticed that watching some beta raids and even raiding sunwell in pre patch, I’ve seen our spriest do insane DPS in every fight. And then coming across one in PVP, once they get all their dots up on you it’s game over.
They aren't really doing better than predicted though. Shadow is strong in t7, they were even strong in t7 back in original WotLK without the buffs they received in 3.2, so ofc they would be strong in Naxx with those buffs. Not as strong as the meta specs, but still very respectable singletarget, ok AoE and strong multidotting (even if you don't have the manapool/regen to support real multidotting until late in Ulduar, and even then you will be using Dispersion on CD for the mana gain on Yogg). This is the best they are going to be though, because Shadow scaling is not very good in WotLK. WoD was the first expansion where Shadow had better than average scaling. The gap between Locks/Mages will only widen every tier, and that's without even mentioning stuff like DKs, Rogues and (eventually) Warrs in t9 and beyond. In WotLK they will probably outscale Ele Shamans, be about equal to Boomkins, but be outscaled HARD by Locks and especially Mages. Shadow still get to shine on fights where we can consistently multidot 2-3 targets, no matter the tier, but those fights are few and far between. A good Shadow will get to shine hard on Kologarn, Yogg, Northrend Beasts and Professor Putricide, so make the most out of those.
@@niksmo1682 no offense but you must have played with poopers. Shadow did well, but could not compete with other classes. I raided ICC mainly on spriest and had my moments where I was number 1 dps but it was not consistent. Spriest and boomkins are B tier dps. Maybe B+ later in ICC Edit: by no means am I saying they are bad. Just not A or S tier dps
I just loved playing Moonkin because with no change in spec i could heal any group content while supplying a bit of DPS at the same time. Most the abilities effected all spells. I called it BoomHeals lol. It felt like the healer version of a DK DPS who could easily tank.
Too bad you didnt mention the conflagrate warlock spec! Its half destro half demo talents. It was my go to early spec for warlock for dungeons and such.
Okay so: BM is the most insane ranged class for arena when it comes to skill needed, is the easiest to climb to over 1800 with not much experience! So I would give it alot higher in pvp! Its also a blast in BGs!
The meta in arena has changed a lot, less casuals, and a much higher average skill lvl. BM hunters don't bring much CC, survivability and their burst isnt amazing either.
Yeah, but the Replenishment talent for Destro is kinda shit, and put in a weird place in the tree. Shadow/Ret/SV all get their Replenishment as a part of big talents in their trees that they would still pick up even if it didn't give Replenishment. It's different for Destro where you have to go out of your way to pick it up. and you have to sacrifice good Dps talents since you don't have enough talent points to do both and it's not part of the "cookie cutter" Destro spec. Frost Mages also have it, but people forget about them for obvious reasons.
Hunter discord found out that the reason MM scales well isnt armor pen, it is weapon damage, whereas Survivals Explosive Shot doesnt even have weapon dmg in the formula.
Ohj dear, i am a BM hunter, new player just got to lvl 60 in pre patch, loved the levelling but am real sad its bad at end game, mind you i doubt anyone would want me in a raid anyway as i have no clue what im doing but am having fun
Don't worry, Marksman hunter feels very similar to BM in play style, except you can't have as cool of a pet, unfortunately. And as far as raiding goes, find yourself a nice casual guild that does raids for fun at their own pace and you'll get a good home. Hunters aren't the most sought after dps class, but not far behind. So it should not be too hard to find a guild. Don't try to go lone wolf and find a new pug raid every week though. Unfortunately, most pugs nowadays are very very performance focused in their selection of raiders and a new player is going to struggle having fun, or even getting in. A guild is definitely the way to go, even though the initial plunge of messaging officers and applying can be daunting. But people don't bite, and I've yet to see a casual guild that didn't welcome an enthusiastic newbie with wide open arms. Have fun!
Don't worry, a lot of people in raids don't know what they're doing either. Get into a friendly guild, be upfront about your experience level, and learn. You'll do fine.
frost mages will be good for dungeons, maybe some early raids. Deepfreeze crits very high on stun-immune targets like bosses, 30second cooldown but can be reset with icyveins too get another deepfreeze when fingers of frost are up. Its NOT reliable, as sometimes fingers of frost doesnt proc at all. But I was able to top single target dps with a few lucky procs. The aoe is still safe and good for groups wanting the slow and roots. (ps, your ele shaman take didnt even mention firenova...tsk tsk lol)
Raids as deep frost with ffb and deep freeze can be quite amusing. Burst with proc deep freeze into cold snap deep freeze is mad fun. Levelling as arcane is possible from 64 onward, just sayin'.. downtime basically nonexistant with evocation on 2 min cd and a single talent point into slow makes for nice kiting.
You really cannot say that frost is viable for anything other than pvp and questing in Wrath. You literally cannot use deep freeze on bosses in dungeons nor raids. This hurts them so much. With the same gear, you will never do more dps as frost than as arcane with any gear you could possibly have on bosses.
Speaking of Hunter, back in Wrath, even my guild was underestimating Survival till i showed then it outperformed MM in high movement fights and held its own everywhere else
People thinking mm is the only way to play dps as hunter in wrath is so frustrating as a sv hunter on private servers. Especially when I out dps half the raid at less gs if I actually get let into a raid.
affliction getting alot of unwarranted praise because of the original games memories. Ulduar is the only raid its stackable . It's second or third best range in Naxx and way behind hunter and mage from Trial on.
@@Mrlonefighter If being S tier in Naxx and Ulduar is the goal sure. He was talking in terms of the expansion where in Trial and ICC its so far behind Fire Mage and Marksman that its barely A tier. It's a good class in wrath just the love is overblown because hunter and mage have just as many times to shine as Affliction Warlock does.
My favorit thing about wotlk, compared to tbc, that I did not notice back in the days, hence why I hated wotlk back then. Is that all classes feel good to play. TBC felt alot like vanilla in that regard.
Was a survival main in original Wrath. God I loved it. And best part was I ended up get complimented by a top hunter main for the server. He whispered me off a fight initially looking to see why my dps wasn’t as high as his. had him inspect me and his realization that I was way below item level just barely qualified to run icc he gave me major props for keeping up and being 3rd in dps. On most fights. I told him I hoped I could hit as hard as he could if not harder when I finally got some better gear. So many great memories from then. Just can’t bring myself to jump back into wow. Quit after hitting 90 in MoP and doing the first raid. Just wasn’t into the story nor the story going forward. They butchered my love of the Horde with bad writing and goofy plots.
Mage since vanilla BC up to Battle for Azeroth, quit retail and started anew in classic. Again, as a mage. Will be mage til the end of wrath and hence my ending with wow.
I don't think it's entirely true that demo locks don't scale well. I know everything always depends but consider with bis gear, icc bosses will last between 2-3mins then the output of metamorphosis will be huge and the -25% phase of drain soul will not be so huge. Also a lot of icc bosses have adds that you can get decimation procs from (almost all bosses but Blood Queen, Rotface) and although I agree you won't bring more than one to a raid it'll probably be down the melee bossing it rather than demo not stacking well in late game. I'm very jealous of you playing demo in wotlk and I think you'll be very content with the play-style and how much you can cheat damage procs
7:42 BM's dominance in BC was precisely the reason for its downfall in Wrath. The fact that it had been so good all throughout BC led Blizz to nerf it, but they went WAAAAAAY overboard doing so. They destroyed BM so utterly with the Wrath nerfs that it wasn't even viable again until late Cata. One good expansion was paid for with being utterly worthless for the next two - one of the most egregious overnerfs in the history of the game.
Arcane mage might not seem very complex on a first glance. But managing your mana, and gearing your mage optimally to preforn the best, is where most of the difficulty Lies.
Tbh although I agree with almost all points, the stacking on firemage and spriest isnt really accurate. Fmages are stacked on hightier raids, since they are the top dps spec. And spriests are also very stackable, since their groupheal really helps any raid. In addition, warlocks arent really that good in icc, they fall off and in general are lacking dps in comparision to other ranges (fmages, hunter, boomkin)
Erm, warlocks do WHAT? Affliction will still be top. Probably best caster. Firemage and hunter do come close and might pass wl on some fights, but as soon, as it comes to better players and harder encounters, wl exceeds again, cuz well... Firemage has no skill requirement at all on 100% crit. On top: wl can get funneled by tricks (Always) and pi (in execute). That does not happen to the other Specs. I do agree with the priest thing though.
"demo is typically a 1 of specialisation" it was, cause raidbuff could be overwritten. that was changed and you can stack them now without any problems. so 1/5 stackability is wrong. also destro 3/5 early is wrong
I don't get why hunters seem to be so unpopular going into Wrath, I know fotm andys who rolled hunter for TBC are DKs and paladins now but still. The class is decent in PvP, decent in PvE and survival is easily one of the most fun specs in the entire game. But hey, since people are fotm rolling plate classes, it's more loot for hunters.
The fotmers are retarded then, ret paladins are ok until they get get to icc then they become really good, and dks are just a solid class not broken op neitheir dogshit. Hunters are on the same boat pretty much.
on LK you need to actually make some effort to top the meters, but you will get rolled by warriors and fire mages regardless, really fun spec to play MM hunter
I really wouldn't call it boring. You have 2 different DoTs and certain rules on when to use them correctly, and you frequently change your main filler spell thanks to Eclipse. You have Starfire with slow casts but big crits, and Wrath which is the ultimate machine gun spell. It's certainly more complex and fun to play than, say, arcane mages or elemental shaman. Then again, fun is subjective. Some people just won't like it and that's okay.
@@astralfields You have two different dots that you don't have to have 100% uptime on, and the one button you press changes due to a proc. They are def grouped w/ arcane mage/ele shaman in simplicity to play.
@@jeffwarren6520 In later phases you dont even use insect swarm, you only use it while moving as a filler. Since a wrath/starfire will do more damage by then and you can put those 3 points towards other talents like treants and owlkin frenzy
The problem with BM is all these streamers saying that is bad. Our pets get so many buffs on a 25 man raid which makes them really decent. As long as we keep them alive we are set.
Going to say on Affliction Lock wise... private server numbers were often doubled in HP than original numbers. Aff lock was stacked because of how long the execute phase was and come WOTLK classic launch soon, execution phases are gunna be shorter and shorter, and it wouldnt surprise me if arcane is instead stacked. Alot of this "Knowledge" is coming from private server players whove played on content that is way way harder than anything we're going to go against as numbers were all out right adjusted in those servers for difficulty. Fights are going to be shorter, I forsee Fire only being level with Arcane and not better than it coming into ICC. Arcane will always be better than fire in shorter fights, and if anything is to be learned from TBC, arcane isnt going anywhere again aswell. Arcanes ability to adapt to fight lengths and dump their mana pool on shorter fights is just always gunna be on a whole nother level. Maybe in first few weeks aff lock and prog groups is going to be really vital, but past that I'm certain theyre going to fall off as each tier progresses to speed running.
I play a Demo warlock right now and I'm gonna be honest. I don't think Affliction is gonna out-do Demo. I'm interested to see which spec takes the top spot.
@@orange3623 its only support because people suck, and you have to actually put some effort to use soul fire in some fights that even on low gear it makes absolute bonkers damage
Every old log you can find shows arcane outdamaging fire in ICCn (!) while boasting a huge spread in its dps distribution on the bell curve ( basically, you try to learn how much a top 5000 player is worse than a top 50 player percent-wise and compare that to other classes' distribution. Conventional wisdom says 'the smaller the spread, the easier a class is to play as more people can do it at that higher level' ). This means two things: 1. Arcane will rather likely be the best dps spec for mages that can consistently log 99 and break the top 3000 or so FOR THE WHOLE EXPANSION. This will almost certainly come to pass for normal 25 man difficulty - if you trust the old logs. If you don't everything is open for debate. We've yet to see 25 man heroic kill times in 2022 so it's nigh impossible to make fair judgements on that front, but we do have enough 25 man normal logs to at least gauge some classes' power levels in normal mode ( which of course goes into arcane's favor with faster kill times ). 2. Arcane is a much harder spec to play than people think it is if you want to haul your behind into 99 territory. Wide spreads always mean larger skill gaps between the players, which can be traced back to higher requirements.
Youre trippin boomies are absolute BEASTS in WotLK PVP; DKs Warriors Paladins cant do anything when I pop off with Starfall dot them all entangling roots them and kite them while healing up.
You are way wrong on Boomkins there is no way they are scaling 4 and this coming from someone that plays them they are middle of the road dps the whole expansion.
WilliE plz plz plz do a video on how bad botting is getting in WOTLK. It's insane theres no Fing ore on grob in outlands at 5am on a Friday cause of all the damn bots and gold sellers. It's getting out of hand. Fel iron be so low in price right now to cause of it. Its insane. And if this goes into WOTLK it's going to kill it just like how WOD was with honorbuddy. This is bad news bares for wow bro,
I don't know where everyone gets their data from but clearly they haven't played BM yet because on a 25 man raid is on par with survival. It falls off after ulduar. But hey ho that's life.
I kinda think players dog ele shaman to much about the scaling thing. Do they do as much damage themselves in the late phase NO. BUT with all the buffs they give to other casters DPS if that counted towards the ele shaman DPS they would be 1 imo.
Their buffs are easily gotten from better specs, this isnt tbc, the vast majority of buffs are raidwide and ele shamans while they do provide a lot of buffs in the grand scheme of things It will only make a noticeable difference in 10m and irrelevant in 25.
Fully expecting bm hunters and frost mages to go apeshit in the comments, including me, bm let’s me kite trash like a mage, I wouldn’t say it would be good for Kate game raids but for the lazy leveller, hunter bm is the way
Hunter back in og Wrath. You couldn't get into raids by linking your stupid high DPS anymore since everyone was using a gearscore addon. Trash dps would get into raids and you would be refused based entirely on character values that didn't actually matter. You would be top DPS in every raid you snuck into though. Wrath was the expansion that started ruining WoW. In addition to dumb raid leaders refusing good players based on fake character values, this expansion added heirlooms (which took away value of obtaining gear during leveling which was 95% of the player experience) as well as dungeon finder (which made absolutely no fkn sense from a lore perspective and completely replaced the entire gameplay experience by turning questing and open-world into linear dungeons with better gear). Needless to say, I'm not going to play Wrath again. Wrath isn't Classic, it's Early Modern. If Blizzard doesn't bring back Classic TBC then I'm going jihad.
Back in wrath I would play unholy dk with the wrong glyphs doing the wrong openers with the wrong spec and was still one of the top3 dpsers of my guild back in the day people were legit smoothbrained and theorycrafting wasnt nearly as popular so most information availiable was subpar nowadays that shit wont fly at all. Players are smarter and class discords are an Alexandrian library of knowledge if you top meters as Survival in wrath classic it just means your guild is nothing but a bunch of dogshit casuals.
Absolutely missed the mark on Hunters WillE. Survival is trashtier because we are on the last patch of wrath. BM hunter will actually be the go to Specc with a Devilsaur because of how short its CDS are and how well you can Snapshot all your CDS with it alongside Bloodlust. Also a BM Hunter can get the 20% Armor reduction Worm pet incase your raid doenst have a warrior and or rogue in 10 Mans which can and will happen sometimes especially if you wanna gear out a DK Friend.
I mean this is what every list says about these specs. I don't think people who have spent 10 years on wrath will really find anything new and ground breaking with these specs.
Something would have to change drastically in wotlk classic. We're playing with the latest content patch, so we know what we're gonna get for the most part. People have been beating wotlk private servers to death for years now, and even with some pretty drastic changes on some of them, the tier lists for regular wotlk are still basically valid.
Check out tbc tier lists before that expansion came out. So much was incorrect. Wars and rogues came online faster than expected, locks came online slower than expected... stuff like that. We already have an example or two of live being different than private servers or how the game was back then due to people being better now. Nothing or lots could change, and not knowing means it's exciting
@@Centail The thing about tbc is that not as many people really played tbc that much, however warmane was and maybe still is one of the biggest private servers out there. People played wrath a TON more than tbc
@@abaiser9258 Warmane has boosted hp pools and isn't true blizzlike. It isn't a matter of comparing how many players played an expansion rather than live and instead that private servers are different in ways both intended and unintended, some of which can lead to big overall changes. If you don't believe me feel free to wait and find out what I mean
Really tried to like lock gameplay. Leveled all classes to 70, except lock and shadowpriest. Have a 40 lock and a 55 priest. And i just don't enjoy them, don't know why.
Because you don't like DoTs? Shadow and Aff are the two origanal DoT specs (Boomkins only really became a full DoTspec in Cata). If you like DoTs, you will probably enjoy both Lock and SP. If you don't you won't like either.
In old WoW my favorite thing was playing a Warlock, for sure. Now? It's making people miserable as a frost mage. Like, do I need to rank 1 frostbolt that Paladin just trying to run past IWB? No, but it's hilarious to watch, and then see the trailing warrior/rogue gang catch up and delete them. I also probably don't need to find solo healers and then sheep them until DR, only to freeze/stun them and slow fall away, but that's also fun! (antics of a pre-70 mage in AV)
feeding the algorithm here still - the go-to mm specs also spec into trap dmg and trap weave. the difference is a 6 sec lower cd on traps for sv - that's it. you may want to drop a little inlay onto that part of the video as it is a bit misleading
Yeah MM still outperforming SV at every phase outside of AoE which doesn't really matter when it comes to clearing bosses kinda sad seeing one of the biggest content creators just plain getting things wrong
@@shannoko well as far as the beta realm goes mm even outperforms sv on trash AoE. The trap dmg isn't even the major factor. The more important part for AoE is that MM doesn't lose volley ticks due to random AoE abilities thanks to improved barrage the go-to right now is more or less to have a MM spec for trash / 5 mans and a boss skiller SV spec until gear trivializes the later.
I remember in arena warlocks would be dead in 10 seconds because everyone knew how strong they where. BG they are fine. I started a 5vs5 team of just frost mages for shits and giggles and it some what worked.You can raid as any spec the content is piss easy.
Arcane has always been on the easier side? Out of the casters in TBCC it has been still revolving around planning mana usage. Like frost was literally 1 button rotation, and so was fire kinda but with keeping scorch up
@@purbmeister - As a more casual player that hasn't chased parses in TBCC Arcane was way more complex than frost or fire due to the risk of going OOM before a fight ends. The decision making maybe gets automated eventually for the best players, but it's still much more brain to it than frost or fire.
@@Korvmannen Buff coverage, innervate availability, proc RNG, fight length and mechanics all have a huge impact on your mana and CD management. People saying it's '"Lulz just 2 buttons" don't understand even the best arcane mage will do average dps on some fights while absolutely blasting on others.
@@heygek2769 - Yeah precisely. Arcane was absolutely broken with T4 gear in heroic dungeons as the boss fights ended so quick (I could have like 75% of all damage on a boss) and you can dump all cooldowns and your mana bar. But what did I do as frost before getting a bit of gear? Frostbolt. Didn't matter if it was a short heroic fight or a long Gruul fight, still frostbolt.
@@Korvmannen uhhh... were you using arcane before getting T5 2set? Because arcane kinda needs that set bonus and a decent gear level to start with. Mages in my guild just played fire until they had the gear to make the switch.
Been lock since day 1 classic, did SM/ruin in vanilla, reluctantly went destro for TBC in P2, and now I absolutely can't wait to go affliction and live the true DoTing warlock experience! Lock has felt so natural for me, I'm stoked to learn all the ins and outs of maximizing affliction dps. Good video man keep it up!
@@juanfrainsane Uh, no, in my opinion, it's after Feral Druid DPS and Enhancement Shamans. It's hard, but not the hardest and is slightly less punishing if you may fuck up something in your rota.
I am seriously considering Shadow Priest because I think I will be sad if I don’t; I played Shadow back in Wrath original, and it was always my favorite iteration of the spec.
During Classic I enjoyed my Spriest the most (specially in PvP), but then I left the game for TBC. I'm sure going to try out WotLK at start and will focus on my Spriest again. Once a Spriest, always a Spriest 😈
I played a destruction warlock back in WotLK. Was consistetly top 3 in guild raid dps. People suggested to respeck to demonology, but it just felt off, I was never able to play it as intended, ending up with just a slightly higher dps, so I switched back.
You can't look at back in the day as a reference people did their own specs and own ideas for the most part now even average players follow BiS lists and talent rotation guides etc
Back in wrath I would play unholy dk with the wrong glyphs doing the wrong openers with the wrong spec and was still one of the top3 dpsers of my guild back in the day people were legit smoothbrained and theorycrafting wasnt nearly as popular so most information availiable was subpar nowadays that shit wont fly at all. Players are smarter and class discords are an Alexandrian library of knowledge if you top meters as destro in wrath classic it just means your guild is nothing but a bunch of dogshit casuals.
Back in the day, nobody could realistically defeat heroic 25 man LK unbuffed Nowadays, i am sure they will absolutely DESTROY him probably with 20 people half of them in blue dungeon gear
@@TheRealAtello DK is like a warrior with a gnome-warlock tied to its back. But as we are talking range-DPS yeah.. demo is a damn blast to play. I love it so much in pre patch for dungeons and raids. You have a strong pet, buff the raid big time, you have two proccs to play around, shadowbolt crit to maintain, dots, huge aoe, fat cooldowns... what does it not have?
About BM Hunter PVE: You can tame "tank" pet and solo kill bosses on lower lvl DUNGEONS and RAIDS to farm mounts, sets or whatever. It's one of the rare specs that could do that and i find it super fun. ^^
I was dead set on mage for the ease of life but now I don't want to spend all raid spamming one button...Thanks Wille, now I need to decide on what to roll. I want @Roxxserm's warrior with a gnome lock tied to its back.
While fire mage is close to a 1 button spec in single target fights, AoE situations are an absolute blast. Living bomb ticking and exploding, with dragonbreath and blast wave allowing you to insta cast flamestrike.
@@heygek2769 Living Bomb stacking 10 of them on different mobs by a single Fire Mage in ICC was the Bomb! Then it got nerfed where you could only ever have one mob with a single Living Bomb per Fire Mage. So we had 5 Fire Mages with 50!!! of them going off at one point!
BM hunter is decent in tier 7, just know it drops sharply off cliff after that. Destro lock is fun and I don't know when it drops off but it's decent for T7. I know guilds/strict pugs will want you to go demo lock, but you only need one per raid, so if someone else is willing to do shadowbolt spam then by all means let them do it. Demo is boring at hell outside metamorphosis, but they'll always be funneled gear so i guess it evens out for them.
I've quit and come to wow multiple times. And the allure of classic and tbc classic didn't bring me back. I'd sworn off for good.....ugh I might come back for Wrath classic....I might. I miss my demonology warlock....
4 stars in Boomkin scaling is too generous (i raid on a boomkin). And this because once you hit your soft caps, which are quite low in lategame gear, you only seek spellpower, while other casters continue to make great use of the crit and haste of new gear.
Yeah, moonkin scaling is overrated: no haste scaling on insect swarm, moonfire and starfall; crit scaling on dots basically nonexistant apart from t9 bonus; haste being dead after 400 during wrath eclipse; crit during starfire eclipse will become an issue after ToC. Moonkin stats have dead ends which make scaling worse. It is like crit cap as a melee, but worse. Because that can be raised.
As a boomkin main. I keep telling my guild that boomies won’t pump as hard as they think late expansion. Everyone just sees how well they are doing now and think that’s how it’s gonna be forever.
the ratings are trash bala easy 5 stars utility crit aura, haste aura, target hit% innervate cb druid buff, easily the best caster to get most buffs in 10man raids
Demo should outshine Affli on most Affli fights due to 1 main reason: you can pull trash mobs onto the boss so u can keep Decimation active an entire fight. Which is absolutely laughable damage.
Tho not a dps really holy pally was gross especioly in icc or anything with undead i frequently outdid most dps in the raid with auto critting and +9% damage at all times before wings
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One quick comment about Elemental Shaman's utility; for the Alliance, every Shaman is a Draenei. So alongside Heroism, Strength of Earth Totem, Wrath of Air Totem, Totem of Wrath, and Elemental Oath, Draenei Elemental Shamans also provide a +1% hit chance to the group they're in. Plus, Gift of the Naaru scales with Spellpower and is instant cast, so alongside all the passive utility, Draenei Elemental Shamans (any Draenei with spellpower, really) come with a free Renew for the tanks/healers in case of an emergency. So Draenei Ele Shamans have a +5% Spell Crit aura, a +5% Spell Haste Aura, a Spellpower Aura, a debuff that makes enemies 3% more vulnerable to crits, Heroism, an emergency Super Renew, and a groupwide +1% hit rate.
(Totally not biased btw)
theyre still dumb ass goat things, and all of that utility minus heroism gets brought by others, sure the 1% hit is cool but ill take a 300 sp ap boost on an orc any day of the week
Same with his melee classes video, every class/spec is fine in raids. Play the class/spec you find the most fun
Would you consider frost mage fine in raids? It's basically trolling
Yeah, the statement of "play what you want" is mostly true, unless you want to play frost mage, BM hunter, or sub rogue. These specs just suck for PvE. Even a casual guild will likely not allow you to play one of these specs for raid, and no PUG will ever take you.
@@DisastrousIntentionally if u find enough people let me know xD
@@Argennon who cares, play what you want to play
@@Afflictamine Some people like it when they get a regular spot, whether that's in a guild or a weekly PUG.
Playing a shitty spec won't get you this, in fact it will get you kicked from random pugs.
Dps is so replaceable, there is no reason to ever bring a frost mage unless you want to do some AoE farming.
"Play what you want to play" sounds nice, but it's an MMO, other players have a big impact on your gameplay.
You undervalued the utility of destruction warlock. On top of warlocks’ available utility, destro brings replenishment and improved imp which are pretty important buffs to have going.
4:46 "On to the Laser Chicken, the Boomie, or more commonly known; the Balance Druid."
I think it's the other way around: "The Balance Druid, more commonly known as the Boomie or Laz0r Chicken."
It's gonna be tough to keep my hands off my warlock alt. I just have to keep reminding myself that they're great throughout the expansion.
Ele is easily the most fun class to play imo. Fire has also been really good in the pre patch so far.
firenova spam is absolutely ridiculous aoe right now, fire immune groups ruin it, but we got chain lightnings to kinda help with that. Single target still is as boring as ever tho :P.
for me its easily mm hunter :)
Top 3 classic content makers on YT.
Who are the other 2?
@@crackedtvgaming Scottejaye and Solheim/Metagoblin
@@DJHXel that's 4
@@HasXXXInCrocs solheim and metagoblin share 3rd place
@@zStC1 yeah but i bet you still watch his videos.
It's important to add, that some specs that outperform others on paper don't do as well if you personally aren't great at optimizing them. For instance, if you can't juggle the DoTs for Afflcition, Destruction might be the spec that puts out higher numbers for you personally etc. Your best bet is to try out multiple specs and see what allows you to 1.) survive best 2.) be more consistently contributing 3.) less thinking more doing
this is perfectly fine for average to low-skill players, but they will struggle with never being picked by more competent players, since they are playing the "worst spec". Acknowledging your own lack of ability and thus playing a worse spec is handicapping yourself in the grand scheme of things. Personally, i'd see somebody playing destro for PVE as a sign of them being bad and then i'd pick someone else. Elitist or not, it's more efficient and benefits the group more.
@@nordfald3740 Ok, but if you're going for bleeding edge playing you're not getting your info from these kinds of videos. This videos are for casuals, and casuals can play whatever works best for them. I've seen too many people try to make the "best" spec work when they're just not great at it.
DESTRO warcloks ahs great CC
Really enjoyed the content in this video. Thank you for all the care and attention you put into it
Spriest is gonna surprise some ppl I feel. They will scale better than most casters and are doing way better than predicted in beta
I noticed that watching some beta raids and even raiding sunwell in pre patch, I’ve seen our spriest do insane DPS in every fight. And then coming across one in PVP, once they get all their dots up on you it’s game over.
They don’t. I raided spriest in OG wotlk and in ICC. We do good but we still will be middle of the pack dps
They aren't really doing better than predicted though. Shadow is strong in t7, they were even strong in t7 back in original WotLK without the buffs they received in 3.2, so ofc they would be strong in Naxx with those buffs. Not as strong as the meta specs, but still very respectable singletarget, ok AoE and strong multidotting (even if you don't have the manapool/regen to support real multidotting until late in Ulduar, and even then you will be using Dispersion on CD for the mana gain on Yogg).
This is the best they are going to be though, because Shadow scaling is not very good in WotLK. WoD was the first expansion where Shadow had better than average scaling. The gap between Locks/Mages will only widen every tier, and that's without even mentioning stuff like DKs, Rogues and (eventually) Warrs in t9 and beyond.
In WotLK they will probably outscale Ele Shamans, be about equal to Boomkins, but be outscaled HARD by Locks and especially Mages. Shadow still get to shine on fights where we can consistently multidot 2-3 targets, no matter the tier, but those fights are few and far between.
A good Shadow will get to shine hard on Kologarn, Yogg, Northrend Beasts and Professor Putricide, so make the most out of those.
I swapped from dk to spreist in icc and no one could get near me in dps. Shadow is rediculas in the right hands.
@@niksmo1682 no offense but you must have played with poopers. Shadow did well, but could not compete with other classes. I raided ICC mainly on spriest and had my moments where I was number 1 dps but it was not consistent. Spriest and boomkins are B tier dps. Maybe B+ later in ICC
Edit: by no means am I saying they are bad. Just not A or S tier dps
Great video WillE! RIP Melee-weaving!
I usually skip youtubers talking about their sponsors but damn you made it so funny I listened twice! 🤣🤣
I just loved playing Moonkin because with no change in spec i could heal any group content while supplying a bit of DPS at the same time. Most the abilities effected all spells. I called it BoomHeals lol. It felt like the healer version of a DK DPS who could easily tank.
Exactly before bed ! Lov tu will !🤘 keep rocking in free world! 🍻
Too bad you didnt mention the conflagrate warlock spec! Its half destro half demo talents. It was my go to early spec for warlock for dungeons and such.
Okay so: BM is the most insane ranged class for arena when it comes to skill needed, is the easiest to climb to over 1800 with not much experience! So I would give it alot higher in pvp! Its also a blast in BGs!
The meta in arena has changed a lot, less casuals, and a much higher average skill lvl. BM hunters don't bring much CC, survivability and their burst isnt amazing either.
@@heygek2769 Myabe, but even skillscapped sess otherwise tho
nice, cant wait for the other parts of that series
I thought destro had a replenishment effect correct me if I'm wrong. I feel like it should've been mentioned
Frost Mage, Survival Hunter and Retri Pala also
Yeah, but the Replenishment talent for Destro is kinda shit, and put in a weird place in the tree. Shadow/Ret/SV all get their Replenishment as a part of big talents in their trees that they would still pick up even if it didn't give Replenishment. It's different for Destro where you have to go out of your way to pick it up. and you have to sacrifice good Dps talents since you don't have enough talent points to do both and it's not part of the "cookie cutter" Destro spec.
Frost Mages also have it, but people forget about them for obvious reasons.
Hunter discord found out that the reason MM scales well isnt armor pen, it is weapon damage, whereas Survivals Explosive Shot doesnt even have weapon dmg in the formula.
Ohj dear, i am a BM hunter, new player just got to lvl 60 in pre patch, loved the levelling but am real sad its bad at end game, mind you i doubt anyone would want me in a raid anyway as i have no clue what im doing but am having fun
Love the honesty 😂 more people need to be like you buddy
Don't worry, Marksman hunter feels very similar to BM in play style, except you can't have as cool of a pet, unfortunately. And as far as raiding goes, find yourself a nice casual guild that does raids for fun at their own pace and you'll get a good home. Hunters aren't the most sought after dps class, but not far behind. So it should not be too hard to find a guild. Don't try to go lone wolf and find a new pug raid every week though. Unfortunately, most pugs nowadays are very very performance focused in their selection of raiders and a new player is going to struggle having fun, or even getting in. A guild is definitely the way to go, even though the initial plunge of messaging officers and applying can be daunting. But people don't bite, and I've yet to see a casual guild that didn't welcome an enthusiastic newbie with wide open arms. Have fun!
I wouldn't worry about not knowing much, Classic is fairly simple and doesn't require too much thought. welcome to the game though! :D
Don't worry, a lot of people in raids don't know what they're doing either. Get into a friendly guild, be upfront about your experience level, and learn. You'll do fine.
@@CallMehPapa thank you
frost mages will be good for dungeons, maybe some early raids. Deepfreeze crits very high on stun-immune targets like bosses, 30second cooldown but can be reset with icyveins too get another deepfreeze when fingers of frost are up. Its NOT reliable, as sometimes fingers of frost doesnt proc at all. But I was able to top single target dps with a few lucky procs. The aoe is still safe and good for groups wanting the slow and roots. (ps, your ele shaman take didnt even mention firenova...tsk tsk lol)
Frost is also the go-to spec for questing. Expect to go from 70-79 as frost
I feel like people are hating on frost a bit too much. 1 star all out is a bit too much imo
Raids as deep frost with ffb and deep freeze can be quite amusing. Burst with proc deep freeze into cold snap deep freeze is mad fun.
Levelling as arcane is possible from 64 onward, just sayin'.. downtime basically nonexistant with evocation on 2 min cd and a single talent point into slow makes for nice kiting.
You really cannot say that frost is viable for anything other than pvp and questing in Wrath. You literally cannot use deep freeze on bosses in dungeons nor raids. This hurts them so much. With the same gear, you will never do more dps as frost than as arcane with any gear you could possibly have on bosses.
@@robin5huize deep freeze can be used on bosses... go re-read the talent my friend. :), it does exceptional dmg instead of a pvp stun.
Just a suggestion but extend the amount of time the "final rankings" are showing. It feels a little too quick. Outside of that, outstanding job!
Speaking of Hunter, back in
Wrath, even my guild was underestimating Survival till i showed then it outperformed MM in high movement fights and held its own everywhere else
People thinking mm is the only way to play dps as hunter in wrath is so frustrating as a sv hunter on private servers. Especially when I out dps half the raid at less gs if I actually get let into a raid.
@@rogersmothers7435 Exactly. So many blind fools.
You are kiling it bro, I'm really enjoying watching these
affliction getting alot of unwarranted praise because of the original games memories. Ulduar is the only raid its stackable . It's second or third best range in Naxx and way behind hunter and mage from Trial on.
I thought most of their praise came from private servers?
@@Mrlonefighter If being S tier in Naxx and Ulduar is the goal sure. He was talking in terms of the expansion where in Trial and ICC its so far behind Fire Mage and Marksman that its barely A tier. It's a good class in wrath just the love is overblown because hunter and mage have just as many times to shine as Affliction Warlock does.
My favorit thing about wotlk, compared to tbc, that I did not notice back in the days, hence why I hated wotlk back then. Is that all classes feel good to play. TBC felt alot like vanilla in that regard.
Was a survival main in original Wrath. God I loved it. And best part was I ended up get complimented by a top hunter main for the server. He whispered me off a fight initially looking to see why my dps wasn’t as high as his. had him inspect me and his realization that I was way below item level just barely qualified to run icc he gave me major props for keeping up and being 3rd in dps. On most fights. I told him I hoped I could hit as hard as he could if not harder when I finally got some better gear. So many great memories from then. Just can’t bring myself to jump back into wow. Quit after hitting 90 in MoP and doing the first raid. Just wasn’t into the story nor the story going forward. They butchered my love of the Horde with bad writing and goofy plots.
figures... my fav specs were frost mage and beast hunter.
fml...
I'll take em all 💪
Good video as always. Great video series
U missed a warlock hybrid spec which is good mid expansion it is a half demo half destro spec anyways nice video ❤
Are you planning on doing healers and tanks as well ? very fun videos to watch
yes he is
@@Mrlonefighter cool thanks for the reply
Mage since vanilla BC up to Battle for Azeroth, quit retail and started anew in classic. Again, as a mage. Will be mage til the end of wrath and hence my ending with wow.
I don't think it's entirely true that demo locks don't scale well. I know everything always depends but consider with bis gear, icc bosses will last between 2-3mins then the output of metamorphosis will be huge and the -25% phase of drain soul will not be so huge.
Also a lot of icc bosses have adds that you can get decimation procs from (almost all bosses but Blood Queen, Rotface) and although I agree you won't bring more than one to a raid it'll probably be down the melee bossing it rather than demo not stacking well in late game. I'm very jealous of you playing demo in wotlk and I think you'll be very content with the play-style and how much you can cheat damage procs
Frostfire mages are pretty good early with low gear. Even better (and simpler) than arcane.
7:42 BM's dominance in BC was precisely the reason for its downfall in Wrath. The fact that it had been so good all throughout BC led Blizz to nerf it, but they went WAAAAAAY overboard doing so. They destroyed BM so utterly with the Wrath nerfs that it wasn't even viable again until late Cata. One good expansion was paid for with being utterly worthless for the next two - one of the most egregious overnerfs in the history of the game.
Arcane mage might not seem very complex on a first glance. But managing your mana, and gearing your mage optimally to preforn the best, is where most of the difficulty Lies.
Tbh although I agree with almost all points, the stacking on firemage and spriest isnt really accurate. Fmages are stacked on hightier raids, since they are the top dps spec.
And spriests are also very stackable, since their groupheal really helps any raid.
In addition, warlocks arent really that good in icc, they fall off and in general are lacking dps in comparision to other ranges (fmages, hunter, boomkin)
Erm, warlocks do WHAT? Affliction will still be top. Probably best caster. Firemage and hunter do come close and might pass wl on some fights, but as soon, as it comes to better players and harder encounters, wl exceeds again, cuz well... Firemage has no skill requirement at all on 100% crit. On top: wl can get funneled by tricks (Always) and pi (in execute). That does not happen to the other Specs.
I do agree with the priest thing though.
"demo is typically a 1 of specialisation" it was, cause raidbuff could be overwritten. that was changed and you can stack them now without any problems. so 1/5 stackability is wrong. also destro 3/5 early is wrong
I don't get why hunters seem to be so unpopular going into Wrath, I know fotm andys who rolled hunter for TBC are DKs and paladins now but still. The class is decent in PvP, decent in PvE and survival is easily one of the most fun specs in the entire game.
But hey, since people are fotm rolling plate classes, it's more loot for hunters.
The fotmers are retarded then, ret paladins are ok until they get get to icc then they become really good, and dks are just a solid class not broken op neitheir dogshit. Hunters are on the same boat pretty much.
In icc patch hunters can get nearly 100% crit rate
Whats not to love?
on LK you need to actually make some effort to top the meters, but you will get rolled by warriors and fire mages regardless, really fun spec to play MM hunter
balance druid 4/5 utility? huh? you forgot about the 13% spellpower they give the raid too. they are utility kings. boring af to play though.
I really wouldn't call it boring. You have 2 different DoTs and certain rules on when to use them correctly, and you frequently change your main filler spell thanks to Eclipse. You have Starfire with slow casts but big crits, and Wrath which is the ultimate machine gun spell. It's certainly more complex and fun to play than, say, arcane mages or elemental shaman.
Then again, fun is subjective. Some people just won't like it and that's okay.
@@astralfields you can't say wrath is the ultimate machine gun spell when elemental shammies exist with their endless streams of lightning bolts.
@@astralfields You have two different dots that you don't have to have 100% uptime on, and the one button you press changes due to a proc. They are def grouped w/ arcane mage/ele shaman in simplicity to play.
@@jeffwarren6520 In later phases you dont even use insect swarm, you only use it while moving as a filler. Since a wrath/starfire will do more damage by then and you can put those 3 points towards other talents like treants and owlkin frenzy
I'm playing BM hunter no matter what anyone says. I hate the fantasy of mm/survival compared to BM, if my raid lead makes me swap I'll gquit :/
Good luck
@@ADTR945 Thanks, I'll need it
The problem with BM is all these streamers saying that is bad. Our pets get so many buffs on a 25 man raid which makes them really decent. As long as we keep them alive we are set.
@@sakisb18c The reason I heard BM sucks in wotlk is because the pets do not scale with armor pen
@@abaiser9258 you are right hence why I said on a different post that is good up until ulduar.
Going to say on Affliction Lock wise... private server numbers were often doubled in HP than original numbers. Aff lock was stacked because of how long the execute phase was and come WOTLK classic launch soon, execution phases are gunna be shorter and shorter, and it wouldnt surprise me if arcane is instead stacked. Alot of this "Knowledge" is coming from private server players whove played on content that is way way harder than anything we're going to go against as numbers were all out right adjusted in those servers for difficulty. Fights are going to be shorter, I forsee Fire only being level with Arcane and not better than it coming into ICC. Arcane will always be better than fire in shorter fights, and if anything is to be learned from TBC, arcane isnt going anywhere again aswell. Arcanes ability to adapt to fight lengths and dump their mana pool on shorter fights is just always gunna be on a whole nother level. Maybe in first few weeks aff lock and prog groups is going to be really vital, but past that I'm certain theyre going to fall off as each tier progresses to speed running.
I play a Demo warlock right now and I'm gonna be honest. I don't think Affliction is gonna out-do Demo. I'm interested to see which spec takes the top spot.
You mean in terms of dps? It absolutely does, demo is a support spec for raiding
@@orange3623 its only support because people suck, and you have to actually put some effort to use soul fire in some fights that even on low gear it makes absolute bonkers damage
Every old log you can find shows arcane outdamaging fire in ICCn (!) while boasting a huge spread in its dps distribution on the bell curve ( basically, you try to learn how much a top 5000 player is worse than a top 50 player percent-wise and compare that to other classes' distribution. Conventional wisdom says 'the smaller the spread, the easier a class is to play as more people can do it at that higher level' ).
This means two things:
1. Arcane will rather likely be the best dps spec for mages that can consistently log 99 and break the top 3000 or so FOR THE WHOLE EXPANSION. This will almost certainly come to pass for normal 25 man difficulty - if you trust the old logs. If you don't everything is open for debate. We've yet to see 25 man heroic kill times in 2022 so it's nigh impossible to make fair judgements on that front, but we do have enough 25 man normal logs to at least gauge some classes' power levels in normal mode ( which of course goes into arcane's favor with faster kill times ).
2. Arcane is a much harder spec to play than people think it is if you want to haul your behind into 99 territory. Wide spreads always mean larger skill gaps between the players, which can be traced back to higher requirements.
Shadow is so fun but you really need to focus
Youre trippin boomies are absolute BEASTS in WotLK PVP; DKs Warriors Paladins cant do anything when I pop off with Starfall dot them all entangling roots them and kite them while healing up.
15:09 unfortunately, there s no proper pet class in wow. There has never been. :(
You are way wrong on Boomkins there is no way they are scaling 4 and this coming from someone that plays them they are middle of the road dps the whole expansion.
On paper BM could be legit in naxx with 2pce and the shoulders from hyjal.
the most buffed spec for pvp is by far prot warrior, it's not even close
WilliE plz plz plz do a video on how bad botting is getting in WOTLK. It's insane theres no Fing ore on grob in outlands at 5am on a Friday cause of all the damn bots and gold sellers. It's getting out of hand. Fel iron be so low in price right now to cause of it. Its insane. And if this goes into WOTLK it's going to kill it just like how WOD was with honorbuddy. This is bad news bares for wow bro,
The best casters in wrath are the most fun ones boomie and ele sham
Marksman pog,
Else unpog
I'm a boomy, hear me SQUAK!
Frost mage is top dps for pve in naxx content in private servers btw. Arcane is not so good. Snapshots water ele is insane.
I don't know where everyone gets their data from but clearly they haven't played BM yet because on a 25 man raid is on par with survival. It falls off after ulduar. But hey ho that's life.
I kinda think players dog ele shaman to much about the scaling thing. Do they do as much damage themselves in the late phase NO. BUT with all the buffs they give to other casters DPS if that counted towards the ele shaman DPS they would be 1 imo.
Their buffs are easily gotten from better specs, this isnt tbc, the vast majority of buffs are raidwide and ele shamans while they do provide a lot of buffs in the grand scheme of things It will only make a noticeable difference in 10m and irrelevant in 25.
Give me at least 2 shadow priest in raids, divine hymn can save raids!
Demo Warlock is missing the complexity explaination.
HELP ME PICK A CLASS I'M DESPERATE
Fully expecting bm hunters and frost mages to go apeshit in the comments, including me, bm let’s me kite trash like a mage, I wouldn’t say it would be good for Kate game raids but for the lazy leveller, hunter bm is the way
Scorch spam fire mage ftw
Hmmm
Did he not mention mages time warp in regards to utility?
Mages don’t have time warp
Time Warp was added in Cataclysm.
That's wild. Anything memorable from my wow days I lump into wotlk I guess. It was the last xpac I actually played with any consistency
First
Hunter back in og Wrath. You couldn't get into raids by linking your stupid high DPS anymore since everyone was using a gearscore addon. Trash dps would get into raids and you would be refused based entirely on character values that didn't actually matter. You would be top DPS in every raid you snuck into though. Wrath was the expansion that started ruining WoW. In addition to dumb raid leaders refusing good players based on fake character values, this expansion added heirlooms (which took away value of obtaining gear during leveling which was 95% of the player experience) as well as dungeon finder (which made absolutely no fkn sense from a lore perspective and completely replaced the entire gameplay experience by turning questing and open-world into linear dungeons with better gear). Needless to say, I'm not going to play Wrath again. Wrath isn't Classic, it's Early Modern. If Blizzard doesn't bring back Classic TBC then I'm going jihad.
can't wait for all these players (me included ofc) that will wear healing and tanking gear just becouse it have higher ilvl :D
glorious days to come
A balding man with Peter Pan syndrome pretty much sums up your typical classic andy.
Sei
I was out dpsing MM hunters with better gear as survival in ICC 25. I remember all the whispers asking me how? 😂
Back in wrath I would play unholy dk with the wrong glyphs doing the wrong openers with the wrong spec and was still one of the top3 dpsers of my guild back in the day people were legit smoothbrained and theorycrafting wasnt nearly as popular so most information availiable was subpar nowadays that shit wont fly at all. Players are smarter and class discords are an Alexandrian library of knowledge if you top meters as Survival in wrath classic it just means your guild is nothing but a bunch of dogshit casuals.
Absolutely missed the mark on Hunters WillE.
Survival is trashtier because we are on the last patch of wrath.
BM hunter will actually be the go to Specc with a Devilsaur because of how short its CDS are and how well you can Snapshot all your CDS with it alongside Bloodlust.
Also a BM Hunter can get the 20% Armor reduction Worm pet incase your raid doenst have a warrior and or rogue in 10 Mans which can and will happen sometimes especially if you wanna gear out a DK Friend.
Can't wait to see exactly how wrong this list is as the expansion goes on
I mean this is what every list says about these specs. I don't think people who have spent 10 years on wrath will really find anything new and ground breaking with these specs.
Something would have to change drastically in wotlk classic. We're playing with the latest content patch, so we know what we're gonna get for the most part.
People have been beating wotlk private servers to death for years now, and even with some pretty drastic changes on some of them, the tier lists for regular wotlk are still basically valid.
Check out tbc tier lists before that expansion came out. So much was incorrect. Wars and rogues came online faster than expected, locks came online slower than expected... stuff like that. We already have an example or two of live being different than private servers or how the game was back then due to people being better now.
Nothing or lots could change, and not knowing means it's exciting
@@Centail The thing about tbc is that not as many people really played tbc that much, however warmane was and maybe still is one of the biggest private servers out there. People played wrath a TON more than tbc
@@abaiser9258 Warmane has boosted hp pools and isn't true blizzlike. It isn't a matter of comparing how many players played an expansion rather than live and instead that private servers are different in ways both intended and unintended, some of which can lead to big overall changes.
If you don't believe me feel free to wait and find out what I mean
Really tried to like lock gameplay. Leveled all classes to 70, except lock and shadowpriest. Have a 40 lock and a 55 priest. And i just don't enjoy them, don't know why.
Because you don't like DoTs? Shadow and Aff are the two origanal DoT specs (Boomkins only really became a full DoTspec in Cata).
If you like DoTs, you will probably enjoy both Lock and SP. If you don't you won't like either.
this is like the 7th variation of the same video made about wotlk lol talk about milking youtube money
Talk about whining lmfao
Most people seem to be enjoying the content, besides you, so why are you mad over what someone uploads
TBH Destro was the prime spec back in the day before the whole haste scaling dot change happened
a lot gets changed when the skills arent being tweaked throughout the expac
@@SpaceStormy pretty sure demo was still better than destro in pve
@@Thalaranthey not for the first half of wrath it wasnt
@@Ovrlol it was my main during wotlk and i remember doing really well on it tho
ranged dps ranking goes Aff > MM > Destro > Arcane Mage/Fire/Ele
Clean your sink dude, what the hell
It is definitely a natural quartz sink with natural rock variation and specks in it, looks clean to me.
In old WoW my favorite thing was playing a Warlock, for sure. Now? It's making people miserable as a frost mage.
Like, do I need to rank 1 frostbolt that Paladin just trying to run past IWB? No, but it's hilarious to watch, and then see the trailing warrior/rogue gang catch up and delete them.
I also probably don't need to find solo healers and then sheep them until DR, only to freeze/stun them and slow fall away, but that's also fun!
(antics of a pre-70 mage in AV)
Every raid cleared when released within hours kek gud gayme
feeding the algorithm here
still - the go-to mm specs also spec into trap dmg and trap weave. the difference is a 6 sec lower cd on traps for sv - that's it.
you may want to drop a little inlay onto that part of the video as it is a bit misleading
Yeah MM still outperforming SV at every phase outside of AoE which doesn't really matter when it comes to clearing bosses kinda sad seeing one of the biggest content creators just plain getting things wrong
@@shannoko well as far as the beta realm goes mm even outperforms sv on trash AoE. The trap dmg isn't even the major factor. The more important part for AoE is that MM doesn't lose volley ticks due to random AoE abilities thanks to improved barrage
the go-to right now is more or less to have a MM spec for trash / 5 mans and a boss skiller SV spec until gear trivializes the later.
Thanks for your videos. I'm super hyped up to play WOTLK for the first time.
Enjoy sitting in dalaran doing nothing because you are done with everything within 1 day or 2
Nothing got complexity 5 rating. why have a 5 star rating system if you don't use the maximum amount of stars? One of them has to be the most complex
Best WoW series atm! love your videos
I remember in arena warlocks would be dead in 10 seconds because everyone knew how strong they where. BG they are fine. I started a 5vs5 team of just frost mages for shits and giggles and it some what worked.You can raid as any spec the content is piss easy.
Arcane has always been on the easier side? Out of the casters in TBCC it has been still revolving around planning mana usage. Like frost was literally 1 button rotation, and so was fire kinda but with keeping scorch up
Arcane has always been simpleton material :D
@@purbmeister - As a more casual player that hasn't chased parses in TBCC Arcane was way more complex than frost or fire due to the risk of going OOM before a fight ends. The decision making maybe gets automated eventually for the best players, but it's still much more brain to it than frost or fire.
@@Korvmannen Buff coverage, innervate availability, proc RNG, fight length and mechanics all have a huge impact on your mana and CD management. People saying it's '"Lulz just 2 buttons" don't understand even the best arcane mage will do average dps on some fights while absolutely blasting on others.
@@heygek2769 - Yeah precisely. Arcane was absolutely broken with T4 gear in heroic dungeons as the boss fights ended so quick (I could have like 75% of all damage on a boss) and you can dump all cooldowns and your mana bar. But what did I do as frost before getting a bit of gear? Frostbolt. Didn't matter if it was a short heroic fight or a long Gruul fight, still frostbolt.
@@Korvmannen uhhh... were you using arcane before getting T5 2set? Because arcane kinda needs that set bonus and a decent gear level to start with. Mages in my guild just played fire until they had the gear to make the switch.
Been lock since day 1 classic, did SM/ruin in vanilla, reluctantly went destro for TBC in P2, and now I absolutely can't wait to go affliction and live the true DoTing warlock experience! Lock has felt so natural for me, I'm stoked to learn all the ins and outs of maximizing affliction dps. Good video man keep it up!
Aff is the most complex spec in wotlk along side feral druid. You'll have a blast, it's the golden age all aff lovers want back for years
@@juanfrainsane Uh, no, in my opinion, it's after Feral Druid DPS and Enhancement Shamans. It's hard, but not the hardest and is slightly less punishing if you may fuck up something in your rota.
Spriest will always be my most fun class
I am seriously considering Shadow Priest because I think I will be sad if I don’t; I played Shadow back in Wrath original, and it was always my favorite iteration of the spec.
During Classic I enjoyed my Spriest the most (specially in PvP), but then I left the game for TBC. I'm sure going to try out WotLK at start and will focus on my Spriest again. Once a Spriest, always a Spriest 😈
I played a destruction warlock back in WotLK. Was consistetly top 3 in guild raid dps. People suggested to respeck to demonology, but it just felt off, I was never able to play it as intended, ending up with just a slightly higher dps, so I switched back.
sadly people were not that great back in the day and Destro will fall hard i would top charts on my ele every fight but not gonna see that again
You can't look at back in the day as a reference people did their own specs and own ideas for the most part now even average players follow BiS lists and talent rotation guides etc
Back in wrath I would play unholy dk with the wrong glyphs doing the wrong openers with the wrong spec and was still one of the top3 dpsers of my guild back in the day people were legit smoothbrained and theorycrafting wasnt nearly as popular so most information availiable was subpar nowadays that shit wont fly at all. Players are smarter and class discords are an Alexandrian library of knowledge if you top meters as destro in wrath classic it just means your guild is nothing but a bunch of dogshit casuals.
Back in the day, nobody could realistically defeat heroic 25 man LK unbuffed
Nowadays, i am sure they will absolutely DESTROY him probably with 20 people half of them in blue dungeon gear
Survival hunter is the most fun to play of all the specs imo.
You misspelled demo lock
@@blackyvertigo demo lock is like a druid that turns into a better warlock sometimes.
@@TheRealAtello DK is like a warrior with a gnome-warlock tied to its back.
But as we are talking range-DPS yeah.. demo is a damn blast to play. I love it so much in pre patch for dungeons and raids. You have a strong pet, buff the raid big time, you have two proccs to play around, shadowbolt crit to maintain, dots, huge aoe, fat cooldowns... what does it not have?
Explosive shot is just so satisfying 🔥
@@blackyvertigo finding my lock to be pretty boring sadly
About BM Hunter PVE:
You can tame "tank" pet and solo kill bosses on lower lvl DUNGEONS and RAIDS to farm mounts, sets or whatever. It's one of the rare specs that could do that and i find it super fun. ^^
I was dead set on mage for the ease of life but now I don't want to spend all raid spamming one button...Thanks Wille, now I need to decide on what to roll. I want @Roxxserm's warrior with a gnome lock tied to its back.
While fire mage is close to a 1 button spec in single target fights, AoE situations are an absolute blast. Living bomb ticking and exploding, with dragonbreath and blast wave allowing you to insta cast flamestrike.
@@heygek2769 Living Bomb stacking 10 of them on different mobs by a single Fire Mage in ICC was the Bomb! Then it got nerfed where you could only ever have one mob with a single Living Bomb per Fire Mage. So we had 5 Fire Mages with 50!!! of them going off at one point!
BM hunter is decent in tier 7, just know it drops sharply off cliff after that. Destro lock is fun and I don't know when it drops off but it's decent for T7. I know guilds/strict pugs will want you to go demo lock, but you only need one per raid, so if someone else is willing to do shadowbolt spam then by all means let them do it. Demo is boring at hell outside metamorphosis, but they'll always be funneled gear so i guess it evens out for them.
I've quit and come to wow multiple times. And the allure of classic and tbc classic didn't bring me back. I'd sworn off for good.....ugh I might come back for Wrath classic....I might. I miss my demonology warlock....
4 stars in Boomkin scaling is too generous (i raid on a boomkin). And this because once you hit your soft caps, which are quite low in lategame gear, you only seek spellpower, while other casters continue to make great use of the crit and haste of new gear.
Yeah, moonkin scaling is overrated: no haste scaling on insect swarm, moonfire and starfall; crit scaling on dots basically nonexistant apart from t9 bonus; haste being dead after 400 during wrath eclipse; crit during starfire eclipse will become an issue after ToC.
Moonkin stats have dead ends which make scaling worse. It is like crit cap as a melee, but worse. Because that can be raised.
As a boomkin main. I keep telling my guild that boomies won’t pump as hard as they think late expansion. Everyone just sees how well they are doing now and think that’s how it’s gonna be forever.
the ratings are trash bala easy 5 stars utility crit aura, haste aura, target hit% innervate cb druid buff, easily the best caster to get most buffs in 10man raids
watch not being able to do a single dungeon thanks to the "new" group finder...
WillE sleeping a bit on spriest scaling, scale incredibly well, will be by far in its weakest state in t7 which also has garbage set bonuses
1-70 frost, then changed to fire for wotlk. I'm 78 and I've felt OP at all times. Sorry, tanks!
Demo should outshine Affli on most Affli fights due to 1 main reason: you can pull trash mobs onto the boss so u can keep Decimation active an entire fight. Which is absolutely laughable damage.
Tho not a dps really holy pally was gross especioly in icc or anything with undead i frequently outdid most dps in the raid with auto critting and +9% damage at all times before wings