Potential Dream Lord story: The Dream Lord confronting the Doctor with all their companions who died... Except now they are old. Lived lives that the Doctor couldn't save.Confronting the Doctor with their own guilt. "This is what they could have been, if not for you"
@@britishbeano69 of course the companions who died in the classics, like a version of Adric who didn’t cop a planet to the face, except now he’s old, with a wealth of experience the Adric we know would never have
The Vashta Nerada aren't villains though, they're natural wildlife that was forced into an untenable situation where their millions upon millions of acres of forest that is their natural environment, was processed into a planetload of books, taking them along with it.
It's like the writer has never watched the show. Half of these villains cannot return or simply shouldn't because they are that good and it will just be a re-reading of other great episodes.
@@oxfordisacoyote The Vashta Narada are similar. Part of their horror was that they weren't malevolent. It was their forest. They were just hunting it.
@@davidharshman7645 if I was showrunner I would bring back the Vashtra Nerada in a story were a swarm of them got the taste for killing on a new world colony or even the flood retuning to destroy a whole alien world that had already been established
You seem to have forgotten the Valeyard. The Master said the Doctor would regenerate into the Valeyard "somewhere between the 12th and final incarnations." I think that's AWESOME and quite unintended foreshadowing! (The Trial of a Time Lord, Sixth Doctor.)
Hopefully someday we might get that but a final incarnation might be well off really. Even then we'll probably be talking about the end of Doctor Who as a show. (Until a reboot.)
The Time Lord Victorious could be considered the Valeyard if the Doctor continued on that path, as it happened at the time the Master said. I also have a theory, that the Jo Martin Doctor is a dark version of the Doctor and is the Timeless Child - not the actual Doctor. She is also the Valeyard and the Dream Lord, and is maybe working with the Master to defeat the Doctor like back in the Sixth Doctor’s last series: The Trial of a Time Lord (more specifically The Ultimate Foe part one and Two).
Sorry to be "that guy" but, no he didn't say anything about the Doctor regenerating into the Valeyard he said the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker side of the the Doctors nature meaning the Doctor won't become the Valeyard he (the Valeyard) will be made from the Doctors very thoughts he will not be a incarnation of the Doctor and nor will anyone become him and that includes the Meta- Crises Doctor! Again sorry to be "that guy" Oh and yes I think that he should come back too!
When talking about the sea devils returning I couldn’t help but notice you were showing footage of the original design of the Silurians not the sea devils
If we’re including spin-offs then I’m always campaigning for the Trickster from the Sja and the 456 from Torchwood (maybe even in the same episode where the Trickster changes Jack’s decision at the end of CoE 🤔)
Yes please. The Trickster was awesome. I'd still love to see him go up against the Doctor and The Tardis again. I mean after Sarah Jane's "Wedding"; there's many opportunities to experiment with The Trickster's abilities even more like restricting The Tardis from landing, bouncing her away... Or maybe even what if The Trickster could breach The Tardis herself... oh, the opportunities... not to mention the opportunities that could be had removing the Doctor from time and space indefinitely throwing the whole universe into chaos.
Don't forget the REAPERS! It's amazing the basic concept (from 2005 'Father's Day') has NEVER been revisited. Even with all the messing about with time.
How about a remake of The Celestial Toymaker as a Special. I’d think the script could easily be tightened up. Loose the Chinese dress of Michael Gough and substitute Ian Mc diermond . The Dr vs the Emperor, what’s not to love.
Michael Gough terrified me as a kid. For years, I remembered it as the scariest story of Doctor Who, beating the Daleks by a mile. To think I would enjoy seeing him as an adult, playing Alfred, Bruce Wayne's butler as an adult... The Toymaker wouldn't work today, I feel, except perhaps as a non corporeal entity.
I want to see the Rani return. Obviously different regeneration but I'd love to her come face to face with the doctor again. Maybe have the master in the mix again too.
@@danthemeegs8751 I think it will be nice to see how chibnal writes them, it will either be great….or completely ruined, so far he’s done a great job of ruining the show 😂
I wouldn't mind the massive crabs - The Macra make a return to Who. They sent shivers down my spine with their roars and pincers clipping. As you say the CGI have gotten great at modelling horrendous creatures so the Macra would be a great candidate for that in my opinion.
So a lot of talk about Sea Devils, but only one blink-and-you'll-miss-it picture of them from the next room over at the end of about a minute straight of Silurian (classic and new) close ups. How about the Doctor's other dark-side: the Valeyard, the ruthlessly analytical Rani, the spiky evil cactus Meglos (and maybe even those hilarious Gaztek pirates in a separate story), Scaroth: Last of the Jagaroth (who was fragmented throughout Earth history so he can show up anywhere), The shapeshifting Rutans, The Celestial Toymaker, the Land of Fiction with it's Master, the Black Guardian, the psionic Eight-Legs, and yes, actual sea devils?
An Origin story for the Absorbaloff would be good. A hospital finds a way of saving the minds of people who are dying, but it absorbs a psychopath. Pity the concept of the Absorbaloff was destroyed by Love and Monsters.
Imagine if they managed to end up on Earth, I mean it's 70% water pretty much. They'd be undefeated entirely. Maybe The Ice Warriors could've taken a part of The Flood's Glacier or maybe a obelisk of the Glacier from Mars to Earth maybe around the same region the Cold War episode took place linking Grand Marshall Saldack as the leader of the battalion that brought the Flood to Earth. (Sorry I'm just thinking out loud here. Lol. :-) )
Outside any of those my favourite pick would be Sutekh, or more accurately the Osirans - we’ve seen aliens mask themselves as Earth Gods before with the Mire as Norse Gods and the Immortals in the books posing as the Greek Gods, but the idea of aliens as Egyptian gods sounds fun (another science fiction show not withstanding). We know that Sutekh was part of a whole group of his family race and was imprisioned for his past crimes against them, but whose to say he was the only one to be so evil? Ancient Egypt is a historic period relatively untapped for the show and spans thousands of years, so an episode that could be a prequel to Pyramids Of Mars could be entertaining. And notice I mentioned Mars - could the Ice Warriors or the Flood have had contact with the Osirans as well? There’s lots of interesting story beats to use whether Sutekh shows up or not, but let’s be honest, we just want to hear Gabriel Woolf’s soft silky evil tones again as the Destroyer one last time.
@@DerektheDalek Titan Comics does different arcs for different doctors. I think it's the Tenth Doctor who did an arc with the Osirians. I need to get into the Big Finish audios. I've heard so much praise for their stories.
@@glenndallas7171 Thanks, I need to get some of the Titan runs, only ones I know I read was the Thirteenth Doctor initial stories and the Third Doctor mini series. Do, many are fantastic and at this point pretty much every era of Who outside 13 has a dedicated range of audios, including spin offs for UNIT, Torchwood, River Song, Jenny, Lady Christina, Captain Jack, the Paternoster Gang and more. Plus their early audios with the Classic Doctors are gurt cheap on download. So do check them out and see what interests you.
@@glenndallas7171 If you want cheap recommendations from the Classic Monthly range these are the best of the first hundred releases: - The Sirens Of Time (Five, Six and Seven face different threats at different times that connect back to a crisis on Gallery) - The Marian Conspiracy (Excellent introduction to the most underrated Doctor Six and a new very different type of companion in Evelyn Smythe in a purely historical adventure) - Storm Warning, Sword of Orion, Stones of Venice, Minuet In Hell (Four initial adventures for the Eighth Doctor and new companion Charley Pollard with appearances by the Cybermen and the Brigadier) - Colditz (Seven and Ace face Nazis and an unexpected enemy who knows everything about them) - The Chimes Of Midnight (Eight and Charley uncover a paradoxical murder mystery in a Edwardian Christmas) - Spare Parts (Five and Nyssa undercover the true origins of the Cybermen) - Bang Bang A Boom! (Hilarious Star Trek and Eurovision inspired adventure with Seven and Mel that is not serious at all) - Jubilee (The inspiration for 2005’s Dalek, Six and Evelyn face an old enemy in a warped version of the British Empire) - Omega, Davros and Master (Three audios that explore three of Who’s greatest villains in interesting situations) - The Harvest, The Reaping and The Gathering (Trilogy of adventures that takes place out of order in time period and Doctor with new companion Hex, a reunion for Peri and another with Tegan all involving an old enemy - listen to them in that order!) Hope this helps! 😁
Would love the sycorax to return in a new story or follow up Would've loved it if the Great Vampires were in Class. They infect staff and students and hide on a desolate planet. Have The Headless Monks work for Faction Paradox in another story If the Alliance returned the story MUST give every villain time in the spotlight and have them be defeated by having them turn on each other. I always see Omega as a potential Avengers style crossover villain with the spinoff characters and companions returning. Have the Dream Lord be the Valeyard
You omitted THREE badass, underrated villains... The Axon; the special effects back then CLEARLY influenced by psychedelics 😛 but still bringing them back (& updated) would be organically INTENSE! Movellans; they DEFEATED THE DALEKS for crying out loud and they all look like Bo Derek so what’s not to 💜 eh??? THE CELESTIAL TOYMAKER; almost came back but JNT insisted on the Trial of a Timelord BUSTERCLUCK 😢🤬😱 a character from one of the BEST lost stories ever need I say more...
I would love to see an episode of doctor who in which the current doctor and a future doctor are in the same place. The day of the doctor, for example, being aired before 10 regenerates into 11.
What they SHOULD do with the Sycorax is have them turn up again, being completely determined to avoid antagonizing Earth, showing that Harriet Jones was COMPLETELY justified in her actions and that The Doctor *doesn't* Always Know Best.
Logical detailed descriptions spotlighted many, many greatly needed remakes ,redos and revivals. That most all Who fans want need and deserve. Awesome job. And 😎👍 Thanks 😊
because they dont have the imagination to do a true time travel story, any for him would have to be pre 1911 preferably thousands of years back before/when he was imprisoned
The Rani is a must... as are The Trickster, the Draconians, the Pyroviles, the Dæmons, the Krynoid, and all the humans that just slipped away (Daniel Barton, Mark Grantham [SJA], Adam Mitchell [ex-companion], etc.), all with potential grudges against the Doctor.
As I recall the Dreamlord was a mental manifestation as opposed to something physical. So how about bringing the Dreamlord and the Valeyard together? Either a story with each of them being used to attack the Doctor's confidence and self belief whilst exploring their darker tendencies at the same time, or melding them into a single entity- I believe making a villain not unlike Zagreus from one of Paul McGann's Doctor's earlier stories.
IIRC, Rassilon (and probably some others with him) was exiled from Gallifrey by the 12th Doctor -- which means he wasn't there when the Master destroyed Gallifrey. Would it be possible for Rassilon to seek out Omega and try to resurrect Gallifrey? Giving the Doctor a serious dillema on whether to to cooperate with them or try to stop them...
I think it was just Rassilon who was exiled, he seemed to be the only one who wanted The Doctor dead. (Would've been nice if we could've focused more on The Doctor's Gallifrey Plot rather than just going straight to Clara.) That way we might've found out where Rassilon might've ended up.
he almost did under Gareth Roberts' pen... the story "The Lodger" was written for said villain in mind. Heck looking at the story elements the evidence does show Meglos was to be the villain, the fractured time loop mimicking the chronic hysteresis, the TARDIS upstairs would've easily at face value given us development for Meglos giving him somewhat of a "Doctor Complex" as he masqueraded as the titular man in his box, and the fact the person upstairs was shapeshifting... a classic trait of the Zolfa-Thurans.
Good Choices. Yes Fenric…”we play the contest again..Timelord” Axos…that would work for sure. Thinking the monk would have to be more of a side Character than the main Villain.
My top 10 villains to return for series 14 10 the Rani 9 Werewolves 8 Fenric 7 the valeyard 6 The trickster 5 Sea devils 4 drashigs 3 Daleks 2 Nimon 1 Omega
What about returning Adam from Series One as a villain. He's got a portal to the internet embedded in his head, and he's been building technology to access it, what if he managed to hijack the internet and is plotting revenge?
I still think they Missed a great chance of reusing the Dream Lord in Journey to the Center of the TARDIS. Up until the 3rd act they could have had him seen in the background, making you wonder Who he was after between the Doctor and Clara.
Remember how omega had a different universe...what if in said omegaverse the doctors origin is there and that's how the timelords were able to control how many regens the doctor had...maybe omega wrote some DNA code when experimenting before sending the doctor to gallifrey where he hoped they would see his genetic modification to the child...perhaps being the first timelord and giving the timelords time travel before regeneration...idk just an idea that fits with your idea of omega returning
The Wire returning in the modern Age of WiFi has already been done with the Spoonheads. What about more Flesh, Rax/Slitheen, Nestene/Autons, or Reapers? The Alliance would be a cool get for the 60th, but they better start planning now, so Jodie can stay and/or exit with them. Maybe throw in the Rani, Missy, Monk, and then Omega behind it all, as the Timeless Child is revealed to be someone else?
What I would like to sea is a species that is equally powerfully to the timelirds but difference in type of technology, culture and philosophy complete with a doctor like character. Sort of like what the romulans are to the vulcans.
i feel like the headless monks are a s6 specific villain. their vibe fits a good man goes to war perfectly and that was such an iconic episode where matt smith really got the chance to shine. i feel like it would be hard to bring them back in a way that would match their last appearance . i would love to see it because they were AMAZING but they would have to bring them back WELL
Turf war between The Flood and the Vashta Nerada, where they have to go microscopic again and see what it is they are fighting over and how to stop one or both taking over the planet/location. Imagine seeing what both creatures actually look like, as if under a microscope but up close and personal. Throw in special water tight suits with one way tinted glass and borrowed nanites from a species we already know has them, to act as body guards for the Doctor and company.
I would also love to see the krillitane return, it could be an amazing way to make an amalgam monster of perhaps other species and villains that fell a little flat and combine them to make a group of truly savage foes for the doctor, at the moment they are merely intelligent bat people, but their ability to adopt the traits of those they’ve conquered is a way for them to biologically upgrade themselves to be a villain at the forefront of the show
6:40 not to mention we know this sort of thing can be done. Bells of saint john did that with the GI. But when it left what happened to all the tech used by them? That could be used as a set up for how the wire would come back.
There are several I'd love to see return including: Krillitane - they could have changed so much since we last saw them! Sleveen - loved their design, scrap the toilet humour and they are actually quite intimidating villans! The reapers - i think at this point its fair to say they only show up to some paradoxes but I'd love to seen them again, very cool design and scared me no end as a child. Trickster - because I'd love to see a sarah jane villan enter the main story, also awesome design and could pose a real threat to the doctor. The mire - not been super long since we saw them last but yhey had an awesome design and I cant stop imagining all the worrior races at war with each other mire vs sontarans vs warth worriors vs ice worriors vs cybermen vs darleks. Imagine!
Rutans! We could finally see the epic Sontaran/Rutan war. The Rutans only appeared once in The Horror of Fang Rock and with modern special effects, they'd be awesome.
2:36 Arachnids was Series 11, not 12, but I agree CGI would do more justice to the Zarbi than Classic Season 2 - although I think they did a good job in the circumstances. The Web Planet (aka "Doctor Who & the Zarbi") is actually one of my guilty pleasures, and deserves more love :)
I finished watching it literally 5 hours ago, and was glad when it was over. I never had a problem with the story, which was one of the first published by Target when they began publishing each new series. I suppose the biggest issue is one I will happily admit they couldn't have done any better, which was make the Zarbi and Menoptera convincing. The less said about the 'optera the better. Between the highly stylized accents, the shoddy costumes, and the over reliance of lens flare (or did they simply cover the lens with vaseline?) to try and make the surface look more "mysterious" I cannot help but think they someone, somewhere, should have realized they simply could not do the story justice at the time. Oh, and let's not even go into the jackets that were supposed to help you breathe. :D
@@gestaltdude Bill Strutton's novelisation was one of the first Target books I ever read, and it remains one of my favourites. Trivia Corner: Bill Strutton died on precisely the 40th anniversary of the first televised episode of Doctor Who.
bringing the headless monks back would be a good idea since originally captain jack was supposed to be in the ep when a good man goes to war and get his head cut off to start his journey to becoming the face of bo
I disagree about the Vashta Nerada for two reasons. First, they've made a repeat appearance in one of the Doctor Who games. Second, the Doctor mentioned that they're not normally hostile and are almost never seen in such large concentrations and are never that aggressive. It would take a really excessive plot contrivance to get them back in any kind of story where they're a serious threat. Don't get me wrong, I love the Vashta Nerada. They're my second favorite 'monster' from Doctor Who, second only to the Reapers from the Series One episode "Father's Day". I just don't want to see them ruined like the Weeping Angels have been.
1) The main problem with both the Vashta Nerada and the Flood is that they are unstoppable - the only real solution is to run away. 2) the Valeyard, however, should definitely return.
With the weeping angels but they always come back. There isn't much that can be done with them. I really want the show to confirm them as dead timelords
I’d love to see the following return, no particular order Celestial Toymaker Valeyard Rani Autons The Jagaroth The Mechanoids Omega Vashta Nerada Krotons Metebelis 3 Spiders
@@MarvelX42 i get what you are saying but not been used properly in modern times. Not just talking the Auton dummies, talking the whole Nestene consciousness. Never been anywhere near as menacing as Terror of the Autons.
The #1 creature I want to see return is the Rutans, which could not have justice done to them with 70s TV effects (i.e. glowing beachball with tentacles) and only appeared in one episode -- BUT have a HUGE importance in the Who universe, as they are cited as the "great enemy" of the Sontarans. And they'd be a cinch with modern CG. The #1 Time Lord is the Rani, who is a wonderfully morally-ambiguous character who was never adequately developed. She is SO much more interesting than the Master, because all she's really interested in is the science. But at ANY cost. That's a great character.
The great vampire is one of my favorite of the 4th doctor who with second Romana. I think that would be awesome to update. Also you are pronouncing Omega wrong. It's oh meh gah not oh may ga.
I can agree with most of your picks (The wire really is the only one I struggle with as it wasn't that compelling of a story.) HOWEVER it is an ABSOLUTE CRIME that you left out Peter Capaldi's the Boneless! I'm an adult and even these graffiti turned unstoppable zombie type creatures who can turn things two dimensional even gave me the chills. I kept waiting for their return, and expected it, but they never did. They would be #1 on my list.
You say to bring back great one-shot villains/antagonists. I say, I do not want great one-shot villains/antagonists to be ruined like the Weeping Angels. They should have stayed in that one single episode, so they could keep being mysterious and utterly creepy.
Yea. I think that they could (maybe... only just) have passed if they didnt show the angels moving. Utterly destroyed the whole mystery of what they looked like when they moved, because that was one of the creepy bases of the angels that made them so *good*
@@datgaydangernoodle1315 That slow moving stone sequence ruined them for sure. Tennant's Doctor warned about them "they are fast, faster, than you think, blink and you're dead!" And now, they just move like anything else and are made of stone. Why, Moffat, why?
The return of Toymaker or Yeti and Demonos and how about the Nightmare Child of the creastion of Devros not seen but this creature could have a strange tale involving Touchwood discovering a large hole below the House Of Commons a thousand miles down and this is the beginning? Omega and the possible returns of the living stone creatures from forth doctors time and Mobius did he actually die from that fall or regeneration brought him back he was a time lord so it should be the case or perhaps he did in the Time Wars a interesting question but it is interesting point? There's so different or timelines which these old enemies of the doctors past to reappear who haven't been seen in the past or future? I imagine the writers won't really consider these older foes or even alliances to reappear but hopefully they will?
He mentioned the Sea Devils, and I had to check the age of the video. 😆 The Vashta Nerada would be easier than the Flood; the VN are already a part of the ecosystem, and only become a problem in large numbers (which could work well with the abandoned circus: perhaps the circus was abandoned when the VN, supported by the large amount of food available, became too numerous to remain subtle and unnoticed.) If the Flood reached Earth, our watery planet gets fuuuuuuu$&ed.
Potential Dream Lord story: The Dream Lord confronting the Doctor with all their companions who died... Except now they are old. Lived lives that the Doctor couldn't save.Confronting the Doctor with their own guilt. "This is what they could have been, if not for you"
Omg love that. But would u do the classics aswell or only new who
@@britishbeano69 of course the companions who died in the classics, like a version of Adric who didn’t cop a planet to the face, except now he’s old, with a wealth of experience the Adric we know would never have
The new dream lord should be Played by either Micheal Sheen or Sophie Di Martino
@@kurankrishan8971 YES
@@dangerouslytalented oh right. Thanks for that
If Vashta Nerada isn't afraid of Doctor, I think it's a far more scary villain than Dalek, Cyberman, Angels, and Master.
The Vashta Nerada aren't villains though, they're natural wildlife that was forced into an untenable situation where their millions upon millions of acres of forest that is their natural environment, was processed into a planetload of books, taking them along with it.
They aren't capable of fear as well which makes it a challenge
I agree
@@antney7745 ok clever clogs. They do technically want to kill them all dont they tho?
@@britishbeano69 Yeah, but only because they're hungry. They're like that shark from the "A Christmas Carol" holiday episode.
It's like the writer has never watched the show. Half of these villains cannot return or simply shouldn't because they are that good and it will just be a re-reading of other great episodes.
Honestly, it was the flood that fully shown that for me. The Flood had their standalone episode, and couldn't possibly function in any other setting
@@oxfordisacoyote The Vashta Narada are similar. Part of their horror was that they weren't malevolent. It was their forest. They were just hunting it.
@@davidharshman7645 if I was showrunner I would bring back the Vashtra Nerada in a story were a swarm of them got the taste for killing on a new world colony or even the flood retuning to destroy a whole alien world that had already been established
You seem to have forgotten the Valeyard. The Master said the Doctor would regenerate into the Valeyard "somewhere between the 12th and final incarnations." I think that's AWESOME and quite unintended foreshadowing! (The Trial of a Time Lord, Sixth Doctor.)
Hopefully someday we might get that but a final incarnation might be well off really. Even then we'll probably be talking about the end of Doctor Who as a show. (Until a reboot.)
Some say that the Dream Lord was the Valeyard!
@@rog23dodge I would LOVE to see the Dream Lord become the Valeyard in a story.
The Time Lord Victorious could be considered the Valeyard if the Doctor continued on that path, as it happened at the time the Master said. I also have a theory, that the Jo Martin Doctor is a dark version of the Doctor and is the Timeless Child - not the actual Doctor. She is also the Valeyard and the Dream Lord, and is maybe working with the Master to defeat the Doctor like back in the Sixth Doctor’s last series: The Trial of a Time Lord (more specifically The Ultimate Foe part one and Two).
Sorry to be "that guy" but, no he didn't say anything about the Doctor regenerating into the Valeyard he said the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker side of the the Doctors nature meaning the Doctor won't become the Valeyard he (the Valeyard) will be made from the Doctors very thoughts he will not be a incarnation of the Doctor and nor will anyone become him and that includes the Meta- Crises Doctor! Again sorry to be "that guy"
Oh and yes I think that he should come back too!
When talking about the sea devils returning I couldn’t help but notice you were showing footage of the original design of the Silurians not the sea devils
Glad not just me then. Funny how showed clips from Warriors of the Deep and not The Sea Devils.
I'm glad it wasn't just me who noticed.
If we’re including spin-offs then I’m always campaigning for the Trickster from the Sja and the 456 from Torchwood (maybe even in the same episode where the Trickster changes Jack’s decision at the end of CoE 🤔)
Yes please. The Trickster was awesome. I'd still love to see him go up against the Doctor and The Tardis again. I mean after Sarah Jane's "Wedding"; there's many opportunities to experiment with The Trickster's abilities even more like restricting The Tardis from landing, bouncing her away...
Or maybe even what if The Trickster could breach The Tardis herself... oh, the opportunities... not to mention the opportunities that could be had removing the Doctor from time and space indefinitely throwing the whole universe into chaos.
This needs to happen!
The 456 were absolutely chilling, defo would love more.
My choices would:
1, Sea Devils
2, Omega
3, The Rani
4, Mara
5, Auton’s
6, Macra
7, Valyard
Very nice :D
The Rani especially!
We had the Autons already though in "Rose" and in " The Pandorica opens"!
I agree but the Mara and the fall yard maybe not
Don't forget the REAPERS!
It's amazing the basic concept (from 2005 'Father's Day') has NEVER been revisited.
Even with all the messing about with time.
How about a remake of The Celestial Toymaker as a Special. I’d think the script could easily be tightened up. Loose the Chinese dress of Michael Gough and substitute Ian Mc diermond . The Dr vs the Emperor, what’s not to love.
And no N word droppings
Michael Gough terrified me as a kid. For years, I remembered it as the scariest story of Doctor Who, beating the Daleks by a mile. To think I would enjoy seeing him as an adult, playing Alfred, Bruce Wayne's butler as an adult...
The Toymaker wouldn't work today, I feel, except perhaps as a non corporeal entity.
@@Neil070 he has been back well at least referenced in the live show.
I've been wanting to see the Toymaker return for years.
@@ashleytuchin7693 same
I want to see the Rani return. Obviously different regeneration but I'd love to her come face to face with the doctor again. Maybe have the master in the mix again too.
Give as audio has the second regeneration played by Siobhan Redmond, why not use her?
I’d love Siouxsie Sioux to play the Rani 💜😘😘
Indira Varma is set to play a villain called "the Duchess" in series 14. Translate that into Hindi and you get "Rani".
unfortunately the rani cannot return due to complicated copyright stuff
Whoculture: all you need is a sharp script
Chibbers: We don't do that here.
“Bringing back old Enemy’s can’t be a bad thing “ laughs in weeping angles who were ruined
Hahahahahahahahahah... So true.
They're coming back in Series 13 too.
I dunno, I love all the Angel episodes. Excited to see them return in the future!
@@danthemeegs8751 I think it will be nice to see how chibnal writes them, it will either be great….or completely ruined, so far he’s done a great job of ruining the show 😂
Should have left them after Blink.
I really want either the Quarks, Krotons, or Chumblies to come back. Why? Because they are so much fun.
i love the krotons
TBH if the Krotons returbed with an updated design and much more menacing voices they would probably be very good villains
I wouldn't mind the massive crabs - The Macra make a return to Who. They sent shivers down my spine with their roars and pincers clipping. As you say the CGI have gotten great at modelling horrendous creatures so the Macra would be a great candidate for that in my opinion.
They returned in Gridlock
@@pengy897 I thought that's where they started. Sorry I'm not up on the Classics. I had Gridlock in mind to be honest.
@@pengy897 and they were totally waisted.
@@worldgame7754 true. A full scale episode with them would be great
@@TheHufflepuffSaint They first appeared in The Macra Terror back in 1967
The Meddling Monk
I was funna say that.
Yes he needs to come back he is one of the rare comedic villains that are both threatening and actually funny
@@rockotarsoldaccount a lot moreso than the Master/Missy
So a lot of talk about Sea Devils, but only one blink-and-you'll-miss-it picture of them from the next room over at the end of about a minute straight of Silurian (classic and new) close ups.
How about the Doctor's other dark-side: the Valeyard, the ruthlessly analytical Rani, the spiky evil cactus Meglos (and maybe even those hilarious Gaztek pirates in a separate story), Scaroth: Last of the Jagaroth (who was fragmented throughout Earth history so he can show up anywhere), The shapeshifting Rutans, The Celestial Toymaker, the Land of Fiction with it's Master, the Black Guardian, the psionic Eight-Legs, and yes, actual sea devils?
An Origin story for the Absorbaloff would be good. A hospital finds a way of saving the minds of people who are dying, but it absorbs a psychopath.
Pity the concept of the Absorbaloff was destroyed by Love and Monsters.
Is that meant to make sense
The flood are honestly one of the greatest villains in Doctor Who history, that episode is undefeated, what an episode
I know that episodes incredible
Imagine if they managed to end up on Earth, I mean it's 70% water pretty much. They'd be undefeated entirely. Maybe The Ice Warriors could've taken a part of The Flood's Glacier or maybe a obelisk of the Glacier from Mars to Earth maybe around the same region the Cold War episode took place linking Grand Marshall Saldack as the leader of the battalion that brought the Flood to Earth.
(Sorry I'm just thinking out loud here. Lol. :-) )
One of my favourite episodes, would love to see them return but also quite nervous if they arent done right lol
One of the best of the “Specials”. They should have used them for tenants finale
@@floppymoonfish4882 yeah imagine they're ruined like Weeping Angels or something?
Outside any of those my favourite pick would be Sutekh, or more accurately the Osirans - we’ve seen aliens mask themselves as Earth Gods before with the Mire as Norse Gods and the Immortals in the books posing as the Greek Gods, but the idea of aliens as Egyptian gods sounds fun (another science fiction show not withstanding). We know that Sutekh was part of a whole group of his family race and was imprisioned for his past crimes against them, but whose to say he was the only one to be so evil? Ancient Egypt is a historic period relatively untapped for the show and spans thousands of years, so an episode that could be a prequel to Pyramids Of Mars could be entertaining. And notice I mentioned Mars - could the Ice Warriors or the Flood have had contact with the Osirans as well? There’s lots of interesting story beats to use whether Sutekh shows up or not, but let’s be honest, we just want to hear Gabriel Woolf’s soft silky evil tones again as the Destroyer one last time.
They did a huge arc about this in the comics, if you're interested.
@@glenndallas7171 Oh, nice, where? Big Finish has also had Sutekh back against both the Fourth and Seventh Doctor I gather.
@@DerektheDalek Titan Comics does different arcs for different doctors. I think it's the Tenth Doctor who did an arc with the Osirians.
I need to get into the Big Finish audios. I've heard so much praise for their stories.
@@glenndallas7171 Thanks, I need to get some of the Titan runs, only ones I know I read was the Thirteenth Doctor initial stories and the Third Doctor mini series.
Do, many are fantastic and at this point pretty much every era of Who outside 13 has a dedicated range of audios, including spin offs for UNIT, Torchwood, River Song, Jenny, Lady Christina, Captain Jack, the Paternoster Gang and more. Plus their early audios with the Classic Doctors are gurt cheap on download. So do check them out and see what interests you.
@@glenndallas7171 If you want cheap recommendations from the Classic Monthly range these are the best of the first hundred releases:
- The Sirens Of Time (Five, Six and Seven face different threats at different times that connect back to a crisis on Gallery)
- The Marian Conspiracy (Excellent introduction to the most underrated Doctor Six and a new very different type of companion in Evelyn Smythe in a purely historical adventure)
- Storm Warning, Sword of Orion, Stones of Venice, Minuet In Hell (Four initial adventures for the Eighth Doctor and new companion Charley Pollard with appearances by the Cybermen and the Brigadier)
- Colditz (Seven and Ace face Nazis and an unexpected enemy who knows everything about them)
- The Chimes Of Midnight (Eight and Charley uncover a paradoxical murder mystery in a Edwardian Christmas)
- Spare Parts (Five and Nyssa undercover the true origins of the Cybermen)
- Bang Bang A Boom! (Hilarious Star Trek and Eurovision inspired adventure with Seven and Mel that is not serious at all)
- Jubilee (The inspiration for 2005’s Dalek, Six and Evelyn face an old enemy in a warped version of the British Empire)
- Omega, Davros and Master (Three audios that explore three of Who’s greatest villains in interesting situations)
- The Harvest, The Reaping and The Gathering (Trilogy of adventures that takes place out of order in time period and Doctor with new companion Hex, a reunion for Peri and another with Tegan all involving an old enemy - listen to them in that order!)
Hope this helps! 😁
They did a similar "the wire" story in the bells of saint John.
Would love the sycorax to return in a new story or follow up
Would've loved it if the Great Vampires were in Class. They infect staff and students and hide on a desolate planet.
Have The Headless Monks work for Faction Paradox in another story
If the Alliance returned the story MUST give every villain time in the spotlight and have them be defeated by having them turn on each other.
I always see Omega as a potential Avengers style crossover villain with the spinoff characters and companions returning.
Have the Dream Lord be the Valeyard
I personally would like to see the Wirrn from The Ark in Space return - with today's technology they could realise their full potential.
Nice Choice. Probably preferable to more Cybermen and even more menacing with the organic conversion.
Yeah any of the Classic “bug monsters” would be cool to see with modern effects
I agree. Even with the dated effects they were absolutely terrifying
You know who else should return? Morbius!!
Also omega returning? Eh… especially in the current state of the show
You omitted THREE badass, underrated villains...
The Axon; the special effects back then CLEARLY influenced by psychedelics 😛 but still bringing them back (& updated) would be organically INTENSE!
Movellans; they DEFEATED THE DALEKS for crying out loud and they all look like Bo Derek so what’s not to 💜 eh???
THE CELESTIAL TOYMAKER; almost came back but JNT insisted on the Trial of a Timelord BUSTERCLUCK 😢🤬😱 a character from one of the BEST lost stories ever need I say more...
The Movellans cameoed in a 12th Doctor episode.
I would love to see an episode of doctor who in which the current doctor and a future doctor are in the same place. The day of the doctor, for example, being aired before 10 regenerates into 11.
they did it was called the two doctors, maybe not the best of the classic era, but it was the last outing for 2nd and was very very special!!
What they SHOULD do with the Sycorax is have them turn up again, being completely determined to avoid antagonizing Earth, showing that Harriet Jones was COMPLETELY justified in her actions and that The Doctor *doesn't* Always Know Best.
Or maybe they became wimps, dooming their species but saving Earth.
I think that only works if we have a weapon capable of destroying them. If that laser isn't around would they still be scared worried.
The flood infecting a water park just sounds like a child’s fan fiction, nobody really wants to see that
So we can expect it as a Russel T. Davies script, then?
Logical detailed descriptions spotlighted many, many greatly needed remakes ,redos and revivals. That most all Who fans want need and deserve.
Awesome job. And 😎👍 Thanks 😊
What no sutekh??? He should have been number 1 or 2! Also no toy maker, wirrn, valeyard, fenric or fendalh???
I want to see the Slgthyeen make a return
Yesss!
Definitely. With the higher budget they can be given much needed justice.
I would love to see The Wire team up with The Great Intelligence.
My List
1: rootons
2: I know they’re famous for being scary but the yeti
3: the mara
4: meddling monk
That’s all I got
I want to see the Rootons back too. Great list man :D
Sutekh the destroyer! How does he not make this list?
because they dont have the imagination to do a true time travel story, any for him would have to be pre 1911 preferably thousands of years back before/when he was imprisoned
Okay I’ll say it… THE ABZORBALOFF
Yes different actor, perhaps a female version could do better
@@nicolepowell5470 it wasn't the actors fault but rather the poor writing from RTD
The Rani is a must... as are The Trickster, the Draconians, the Pyroviles, the Dæmons, the Krynoid, and all the humans that just slipped away (Daniel Barton, Mark Grantham [SJA], Adam Mitchell [ex-companion], etc.), all with potential grudges against the Doctor.
As I recall the Dreamlord was a mental manifestation as opposed to something physical. So how about bringing the Dreamlord and the Valeyard together?
Either a story with each of them being used to attack the Doctor's confidence and self belief whilst exploring their darker tendencies at the same time, or melding them into a single entity- I believe making a villain not unlike Zagreus from one of Paul McGann's Doctor's earlier stories.
IIRC, Rassilon (and probably some others with him) was exiled from Gallifrey by the 12th Doctor -- which means he wasn't there when the Master destroyed Gallifrey. Would it be possible for Rassilon to seek out Omega and try to resurrect Gallifrey? Giving the Doctor a serious dillema on whether to to cooperate with them or try to stop them...
I think it was just Rassilon who was exiled, he seemed to be the only one who wanted The Doctor dead. (Would've been nice if we could've focused more on The Doctor's Gallifrey Plot rather than just going straight to Clara.) That way we might've found out where Rassilon might've ended up.
Never liked what they did with Rassilon in the new series.
*SPOILER ALERT*
That’s basically the plot of Time Fracture, the immersive theatre experience currently running in London.
He exiled the High Council along with Rassilon if I remember rightly
@@waziotter is it worth going to? I saw the first Live show with the Carnival.
I would love to see MEGLOS make a comeback
he almost did under Gareth Roberts' pen... the story "The Lodger" was written for said villain in mind. Heck looking at the story elements the evidence does show Meglos was to be the villain, the fractured time loop mimicking the chronic hysteresis, the TARDIS upstairs would've easily at face value given us development for Meglos giving him somewhat of a "Doctor Complex" as he masqueraded as the titular man in his box, and the fact the person upstairs was shapeshifting... a classic trait of the Zolfa-Thurans.
For me, I would love Fenric,The Rani,The Celestial Toymaker,The Meddling Monk,Omega,Axos,Meglos,Satan from The Satan Pit and way more.
Good Choices. Yes Fenric…”we play the contest again..Timelord”
Axos…that would work for sure.
Thinking the monk would have to be more of a side Character than the main Villain.
My top 10 villains to return for series 14
10 the Rani
9 Werewolves
8 Fenric
7 the valeyard
6 The trickster
5 Sea devils
4 drashigs
3 Daleks
2 Nimon
1 Omega
Great picks :D
The Gelth would be interesting for me, always a personal favourite episode of mine.
Vashta nerada, sea devils, the rani, the meddling monk, salamander, mara, macra, yetis, omega, valyard
What about returning Adam from Series One as a villain. He's got a portal to the internet embedded in his head, and he's been building technology to access it, what if he managed to hijack the internet and is plotting revenge?
Nah, he’s history
They actually did that in a comic for the 50th anniversary where he teamed up with the master
Maybe Raxacolicofalapatorians or The Great Intelligence?
I still think they Missed a great chance of reusing the Dream Lord in Journey to the Center of the TARDIS.
Up until the 3rd act they could have had him seen in the background, making you wonder Who he was after between the Doctor and Clara.
Remember how omega had a different universe...what if in said omegaverse the doctors origin is there and that's how the timelords were able to control how many regens the doctor had...maybe omega wrote some DNA code when experimenting before sending the doctor to gallifrey where he hoped they would see his genetic modification to the child...perhaps being the first timelord and giving the timelords time travel before regeneration...idk just an idea that fits with your idea of omega returning
The Wire returning in the modern Age of WiFi has already been done with the Spoonheads.
What about more Flesh, Rax/Slitheen, Nestene/Autons, or Reapers?
The Alliance would be a cool get for the 60th, but they better start planning now, so Jodie can stay and/or exit with them. Maybe throw in the Rani, Missy, Monk, and then Omega behind it all, as the Timeless Child is revealed to be someone else?
What I would like to sea is a species that is equally powerfully to the timelirds but difference in type of technology, culture and philosophy complete with a doctor like character. Sort of like what the romulans are to the vulcans.
i feel like the headless monks are a s6 specific villain. their vibe fits a good man goes to war perfectly and that was such an iconic episode where matt smith really got the chance to shine. i feel like it would be hard to bring them back in a way that would match their last appearance . i would love to see it because they were AMAZING but they would have to bring them back WELL
With the Zarbi, there has to be a corresponding "Come along, drop this hair drier or whatever it is."
Turf war between The Flood and the Vashta Nerada, where they have to go microscopic again and see what it is they are fighting over and how to stop one or both taking over the planet/location.
Imagine seeing what both creatures actually look like, as if under a microscope but up close and personal.
Throw in special water tight suits with one way tinted glass and borrowed nanites from a species we already know has them, to act as body guards for the Doctor and company.
my no.1 pick r my fav doctor who villains ever, the voc robots. they could become doctor whos definitive robot villains
You make some good points on all of these but the Sea Devils and the Monk have my votes.
I would also love to see the krillitane return, it could be an amazing way to make an amalgam monster of perhaps other species and villains that fell a little flat and combine them to make a group of truly savage foes for the doctor, at the moment they are merely intelligent bat people, but their ability to adopt the traits of those they’ve conquered is a way for them to biologically upgrade themselves to be a villain at the forefront of the show
6:40 not to mention we know this sort of thing can be done.
Bells of saint john did that with the GI. But when it left what happened to all the tech used by them? That could be used as a set up for how the wire would come back.
The rutans, back with a modern look that isn't green slime in bubble wrap
There are several I'd love to see return including:
Krillitane - they could have changed so much since we last saw them!
Sleveen - loved their design, scrap the toilet humour and they are actually quite intimidating villans!
The reapers - i think at this point its fair to say they only show up to some paradoxes but I'd love to seen them again, very cool design and scared me no end as a child.
Trickster - because I'd love to see a sarah jane villan enter the main story, also awesome design and could pose a real threat to the doctor.
The mire - not been super long since we saw them last but yhey had an awesome design and I cant stop imagining all the worrior races at war with each other mire vs sontarans vs warth worriors vs ice worriors vs cybermen vs darleks. Imagine!
Rather than the Zarbi, I'd rather see the Eight Legs
What if The Flood and The Vashta Narada worked together. That would be f**kin terrifying
Dude that would be AWESOME
i would like the black guardian to return
Krillitane from school reunion. Some of the only villains that felt like the doctor actually genuinely considered joining them.
Rutans! We could finally see the epic Sontaran/Rutan war. The Rutans only appeared once in The Horror of Fang Rock and with modern special effects, they'd be awesome.
Well the sea devils request aged badly.
5:03 Just a quick note:
The Sea Devils will return in the 13th Doctor episode, Legend of the Sea Devils
A team up of these villains would be amazing!
0:09 My drunk ass getting in the shower LOL
Video just popped up on my feed and I legit though the Sycorax guys in the thumbnail were some kind of Metal band
Just a thought but what about Sutekh from The Pyramids of Mars?
2:36 Arachnids was Series 11, not 12, but I agree CGI would do more justice to the Zarbi than Classic Season 2 - although I think they did a good job in the circumstances. The Web Planet (aka "Doctor Who & the Zarbi") is actually one of my guilty pleasures, and deserves more love :)
I finished watching it literally 5 hours ago, and was glad when it was over. I never had a problem with the story, which was one of the first published by Target when they began publishing each new series. I suppose the biggest issue is one I will happily admit they couldn't have done any better, which was make the Zarbi and Menoptera convincing. The less said about the 'optera the better. Between the highly stylized accents, the shoddy costumes, and the over reliance of lens flare (or did they simply cover the lens with vaseline?) to try and make the surface look more "mysterious" I cannot help but think they someone, somewhere, should have realized they simply could not do the story justice at the time. Oh, and let's not even go into the jackets that were supposed to help you breathe. :D
@@gestaltdude Bill Strutton's novelisation was one of the first Target books I ever read, and it remains one of my favourites.
Trivia Corner: Bill Strutton died on precisely the 40th anniversary of the first televised episode of Doctor Who.
@@ftumschk I had no idea he'd even passed, though given how long the show is, not terribly surprising.
Please do top 10 Dr Who props
I'd love to see the rani and the axons return and see how they got out of the doctors time loop
Might be a chance for some past monsters once chinballs goes away, but while he's in charge we have Buckley's chance..
The Sontarans and the Angels are returning for Series 13, maybe he has even more old villains in store
In The Christmas Invasion we already know there's more of them
"SYCORAX: I can summon the armada and take this world by force."
bringing the headless monks back would be a good idea since originally captain jack was supposed to be in the ep when a good man goes to war and get his head cut off to start his journey to becoming the face of bo
I disagree about the Vashta Nerada for two reasons.
First, they've made a repeat appearance in one of the Doctor Who games. Second, the Doctor mentioned that they're not normally hostile and are almost never seen in such large concentrations and are never that aggressive. It would take a really excessive plot contrivance to get them back in any kind of story where they're a serious threat.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Vashta Nerada. They're my second favorite 'monster' from Doctor Who, second only to the Reapers from the Series One episode "Father's Day". I just don't want to see them ruined like the Weeping Angels have been.
But the flood and the vashta narada are good because they’re so unknown.
And remember what happened with the weeping angels XD
they didnt need to returrrrn their debut was SO GOOOOD but then they came back 😭 UNNECESSARY
As of 5/1/22, the sea devils are in the next (possibly last for the 13th Doctor) episode
1) The main problem with both the Vashta Nerada and the Flood is that they are unstoppable - the only real solution is to run away.
2) the Valeyard, however, should definitely return.
I do agree with you Paul.
With the weeping angels but they always come back. There isn't much that can be done with them. I really want the show to confirm them as dead timelords
A Zygon/Dalek army alliance story would be really cool.
Bound to happen on a planet with a population the size of Earth, but I finished watching The Web Planet serial 5 hours ago.
They're not exactly villains, but I want to see the return of the Draconians!
1:20 would you look at that, mentioning extended media. And yet some people here want to pretend it doesn’t exist 🤷🏾♂️
I wanna see the Rani!!
I’d love to see the following return, no particular order
Celestial Toymaker
Valeyard
Rani
Autons
The Jagaroth
The Mechanoids
Omega
Vashta Nerada
Krotons
Metebelis 3 Spiders
Personally I've seen enough of the Autons. Unless they were tools being used for a short time in one episode I am over them.
@@MarvelX42 i get what you are saying but not been used properly in modern times. Not just talking the Auton dummies, talking the whole Nestene consciousness. Never been anywhere near as menacing as Terror of the Autons.
How about either Fenric or Morgan Le Fay (from Battlefield)?
The #1 creature I want to see return is the Rutans, which could not have justice done to them with 70s TV effects (i.e. glowing beachball with tentacles) and only appeared in one episode -- BUT have a HUGE importance in the Who universe, as they are cited as the "great enemy" of the Sontarans. And they'd be a cinch with modern CG.
The #1 Time Lord is the Rani, who is a wonderfully morally-ambiguous character who was never adequately developed. She is SO much more interesting than the Master, because all she's really interested in is the science. But at ANY cost. That's a great character.
The wire is awesome
The great vampire is one of my favorite of the 4th doctor who with second Romana. I think that would be awesome to update. Also you are pronouncing Omega wrong. It's oh meh gah not oh may ga.
I can agree with most of your picks (The wire really is the only one I struggle with as it wasn't that compelling of a story.) HOWEVER it is an ABSOLUTE CRIME that you left out Peter Capaldi's the Boneless! I'm an adult and even these graffiti turned unstoppable zombie type creatures who can turn things two dimensional even gave me the chills. I kept waiting for their return, and expected it, but they never did. They would be #1 on my list.
You say to bring back great one-shot villains/antagonists. I say, I do not want great one-shot villains/antagonists to be ruined like the Weeping Angels. They should have stayed in that one single episode, so they could keep being mysterious and utterly creepy.
Yea. I think that they could (maybe... only just) have passed if they didnt show the angels moving. Utterly destroyed the whole mystery of what they looked like when they moved, because that was one of the creepy bases of the angels that made them so *good*
@@datgaydangernoodle1315 That slow moving stone sequence ruined them for sure. Tennant's Doctor warned about them "they are fast, faster, than you think, blink and you're dead!" And now, they just move like anything else and are made of stone. Why, Moffat, why?
@@Croftice1 indeed. Ruined for me.
5:05 called it!
I'd like to see the Federation actually get the episode we'd need a new Blake and Avon though.
Only Toby Jones could play the Dream Lord.
The return of Toymaker or Yeti and Demonos and how about the Nightmare Child of the creastion of Devros not seen but this creature could have a strange tale involving Touchwood discovering a large hole below the House Of Commons a thousand miles down and this is the beginning? Omega and the possible returns of the living stone creatures from forth doctors time and Mobius did he actually die from that fall or regeneration brought him back he was a time lord so it should be the case or perhaps he did in the Time Wars a interesting question but it is interesting point? There's so different or timelines which these old enemies of the doctors past to reappear who haven't been seen in the past or future? I imagine the writers won't really consider these older foes or even alliances to reappear but hopefully they will?
The Mara!!!
Two words: Big Finish.
Bring back the Yeti and liquorice all sorts man lol
the wire and great intelligences with maybe the whispermen as the villians for that episode or headless monks whispermen the vashta narada teaming up
And let's not forget the Dream Lord's Hydra allies! :p
Hail Hydra.
Sil, The Rani, Sea Devils and Omega.
He mentioned the Sea Devils, and I had to check the age of the video. 😆
The Vashta Nerada would be easier than the Flood; the VN are already a part of the ecosystem, and only become a problem in large numbers (which could work well with the abandoned circus: perhaps the circus was abandoned when the VN, supported by the large amount of food available, became too numerous to remain subtle and unnoticed.) If the Flood reached Earth, our watery planet gets fuuuuuuu$&ed.