The only thing I'll say about Octavion is that while his death is annoyingly unfortunate, preventable and so so close to not happening his last conversation with the Doctor is masterfully written. Dr: I'm sorry. I wish I'd known you better. Oc: I think, sir, you knew me at my best.
Oh yes I definitely agree. His death only stands out as being frustrating/easily-preventable because of how awesome the character is, and it would’ve been great to see more of him
All I can think of when watching this is poor Peck the Hath in “The Doctor’s Daughter”. Martha didn’t need to fall into the mud pit. Peck didn’t need to go in after her.
Maybe he felt like he owed her one from her fixing his arm. And as someone who has fallen down a crumbling hill, not into a tar pit but it sure as hell hurt... I can honestly say, you don't get to choose which way you fall. All it takes is one wrong step.
I know what you mean but I think the death reminds Martha of the reason why she walked away from travelling with the Doctor. The heartache got too much.
I’d like to nominate Issac from A Town Called Mercy as he sacrificed himself to the gunslinger to save his friend but his friend ended up getting killed anyway!
I disagree with this one to be honest. That episode reminds us what happens when the Doctor is alone for too long. Isaac's death spurs not only the Doctor to come back to himself but also the redemption of Jex
I think the bus driver's death was necessary from the audience's viewpoint -- we, the viewers, needed evidence that the portal was fatal; therefore, *some* living being had to be sacrificed. That said, the script could have shown the Doctor trying harder to prevent it.
The bus was pretty messed up, the skeleton held, but overall ... well. So a squishy human being thought he had better chances to survive the trip on his own? Sure.
Not gonna lie I low-key tear up when Octavian dies. Something about his death I find really powerful. Excellent character and an excellent performance by Iain Glen. One of my favourite supporting characters in the show.
Damn, it’s rough when you get so much wrong in the first minute, it makes me want to comment. Lucy’s death is what made the masters reincarnation go wrong. The Doctor even says so, that’s why his metabolism is going so fast the master is using his life force, also using his life force for the new powers he has.. lightning fists. If she did nothing the master would of been fully restored by the people who gave their life force to bring him back. And then the master would of tormented Lucy again or killed her. Her death by messing up his reincarnation is not pointless. Also if she didn’t die, they would of had to incorporate her as the masters unwilling servant into the story. Her death and what it caused set up a good portion of that 2 part episode. If she did nothing to intervene and the master came back and killed her in the spot. Then her death would be pointless, but wait even then it wouldn’t be. Because she had to be there because she had some of the masters DNA. On her? In her? They don’t really say, they just wipe her lips and have the masters DNA even tho I think the episode says it had been quite some time since his death.
The point is that Lucy didn’t succeed in her main goal - to kill The Master. All she ended up doing was giving him a new power. She’d have been better off using her resources to escape the prison and find the Doctor.
Thank you! Even though she didn’t succeed, it’s definitely not pointless because she would have died anyway, so at least she made it so the master didn’t return at full strength and she died on her own terms
Some of these deaths serve as a “visible consequence” for an action taken or failed to take so the audience knows something can’t be done a certain way, Like the Bus Driver walking through the portal, he does the thing, burns to a crisp, we as an audience know they can’t walk through the portal. While it was verbally explained, show it don’t tell it works better in this instance IMO
It was actually shown with the bus. You see what state it is in, the skeleton holds, but overall, pretty messed. And it was that bus, that protected them, so a squishy human thinks they have a chance on their own? That really was unnecessary. The trip alone was shown, that it's not just a simple portal, you jump in and pop out immediately on the other side. Nope, it took a while to go through with a bus! So a trip on foot without anything to cover, to protect you? A very bad idea.
Honestly, most doctor who deaths are for no reason. They're either "oh people are dying, this is dangerous!" Or "oh they died, I'll be sad for a minute before going about my day"
In the book of "Earthshock" the reason why the Doctor is unable to save Adric is explained in more detail: the freighter, as it's travelling back through time, is phasing in and out at random. This, combined with the damage to the console, means the TARDIS can't materialize onboard in time to save Adric.
I actually got the signature from the actor who plays Dorium from a con I went to in 2013, was pretty cool to see him there considering I had no idea he was even present at the con.
Ambrose made a very poor choice when she confronted Alaya, but it wasn't unbelievably stupid, just the kind of stupid that stressed and off-balance people display very often. Her son and husband were abducted and she had no good reason to believe the Doctor could rescue them. From her (shaky) POV, it was better to try to use the means she had.
Yeah. Its a feasible reaction of humanity. Just like in Midnight; the way people acted on that episode is how a scared group of people in real life could actually be. Which is why that's the scariest episode of Doctor Who for me.
I'd also like to nominate Mrs.Moore from Tennants era, she'd just helped solve a big clue in the case of how to stop the cybermen while crouched down, stood up and was killed, with Tennant just pulling a face. unnecessary imo
To be fair, though, Ambrose's dad was dying from the Silurian poison, & she was trying to force Alaya to tell her how to cure it. Plus, Alaya was a zealot who actually wanted to die in order to spark a war.
Never mind The Doctor stalling to get Father Octavian grabbed... they have said a million times that the weeping angels turn to stone when being seen. The Doctor could literally have just broken that angel's arm off freeing him from the grasp.
I like to think that 'pointless' deaths are actually very important. Perhaps the person who died would either have had children (or at least influence a child) who might grow up to be a saint...or a monster (if not that kid, perhaps one of their descendants). Perhaps the very existence of the 'pointless character' at a certain location, at a certain time might defect 'fate' from affecting some other person for good or bad...they literally were 'in the way'. Time, itself, might be using the Doctor to do a little tidying up, so to speak.
Lucy's death was necessary, it's the reason the masters resurrection wasn't complete hence the time Lords saying they wouldn't take him back as he was "diseased" which led to the master turning on the time Lords and helping the doctor completing his "arc" so to speak
Here's an unnecessary death: The deaths in resurrection of the Daleks. But wouldn't the doctor be caught sneaking away from the acid bath? I can still picture him fighting the two guards as they try to grab him.
I don't know if they were necessary, but they gave us one of the best companion departures ever. For the acid baths, inconsequential characters die by the dozen in Doctor Who. Hell, they're expected to.
There's still a real world... or normal world Angela Price who appears in the Sarah Jane Adventures... not the same actress sadly. But I agree, she was awesome but I think it was bound to happen just to show how monstrous and cold the Cybermen can be.
In Adric's defense, he thought he was saving Earth, not realizing that the freighter was actually the "asteroid" that crashed into the Yucatan and killed the dinosaurs. He had good intentions, but bad luck.
Maybe do a " 10 unceremonious deaths" video. For example, that big guy from the Titanic episode who died because the metal bent... That was a dick way to kill him off.
6:04 I think that referring to a story that only has 3 out of 12 episodes intact (3 out of 13 if you want to count Mission to the Unknown) as "partially missing" is a bit of an understatement.
When Dorian gets killed, there was a rumour saying, it should’ve been Jack from torchwood, but would’ve set up him for being the face of Boe. I can’t find where I saw this info, but it’s because he wasn’t available for the filming of the episode
IIRC in Earthshock the spaceship Adric blows up on is said to be the "asteroid" the wiped out the dinosaurs. Seems to me that would mean the Doctor couldn't save the ship without wiping out most of history. Tegan would have ceased to exist for sure if humanity never happened, so he'd have lost a companion one way or the other. :)
0:34 uhm... the potion was the reason that the master kept turning into a skeleton and he kept eating everything, he was much more vulnerable as he was between life and death
5:40 now, I've not watched this episode, but disarmed does not equate to harmless... I know this is a different series but like, look at a wookiee from Star Wars, sure they carry bowcasters, but if you take that away, they're still a mountain of a creature who can rip your arms off
Okay so I’d just like to point out one thing; on numerous videos I’ve heard it said the Doctor did nothing to save Adric, but I watched Earthshock again the other day: YES HE DOES! The Doctor is attempting to use the Tardis to save him yet the Tardis is damaged by the Cybermen and he can’t. He’s even shouting “I must save Adric” The Doctor legitimately did try
@@youngdolo8 Well he wears a high vis, is really nice to the group, is a celeb cameo, tells them about how much he loves his job and about his only daughter who he loves very much and even wears a necklace made of pasta she made for him. Based on our knowledge of how these things tend to go, I'd say his chances weren't looking good
The only comment I can make re Adric’s death is that he was meant to die and if The Doctor had rescued him, there would have been a person alive that shouldn’t have been. But of course, it is open for all sorts of debates.
To be fair, Ambrose was worried about her family, her husband and son were kidnapped and her father was infected by Silurian venom and possibly dying, some people in her position might have done the same thing
I watched only a few episodes of the 5th Doctor, but maybe the reason why the Doctor didn't save adric is because he doesn't know how to precisely land the Tardis and fly the it perfectly, but only the older versions can
Which she would still die, While yes The Doctor might have Infinite Lives (Rumour for Series 13, The Master might be the Timeless Child, he lied to the doctor about it being her) But if she is killed before Regeneration, she would still fully die. The Master and the Master Race have HER DNA if she is the Timeless Child, even she would have the Master's DNA if he did end up being the Timeless Child. Basically what I am saying is, No the Doctor would have still died, then it would have been the end of Doctor Who entirely, Be glad Chibnall didn't decide to do that.
That's a common misconception. The Doctor (Timeless Child) is in no way IMMORTAL. Infinite regeneration doesn't mean immortality. Being poisoned, drown or shot during the process of regeneration would still kill them for good. Also blown up to pieces counts.
I have to admit I disagree with the first one, without Lucy Saxons sacrifice the master would have been fully resurrected, as the doctor himself said "your resurrection went wrong, your body's ripped open" He was dead/dying already, it was just a case of how many he took with him, all because of her 😊
I'm 42 seconds in, and ... the potion did nothing? It was the thing that prevented the Master from being brought back fully, which motivated his entire set of actions in the story. "So hungry" and all that. It also seemed to be why he was giving off energy the way he did, which enabled him to respond to Rassillon at the end of the story. So ... the entire story turned on Lucy Saxon's use of the potion.
What's particularly stupid about Adric's death is the fact that the TARDIS is a *time machine*. Leave that point in time as Adric is dying, repair the TARDIS, *then* go back and save him. Sheesh.
@@TheWeepingDalek Well, They never See Adric in the Ship, they are just Informed that Adric was still on the Ship after everyone else Escaped. They only had 1 Word to go off, Someone, maybe even a future incarnation of The Doctor could have risked saving him, It wouldn't impact the Paradox, the Future Incarnation would just know not to let him back with the 5th Doctor. It also wouldn't impact the fixed point in time of the Ship being the cause of the Extinction of the Dinosaurs.
Adric's death had a profound effect on the 5th Doctor, right up to his own death, and it was referenced several times in subsequent episodes. The last thing the Fifth Doctor said was Adric's name.
Ah yes Kerblam one of only two decent season 37 episodes (the other being the opener).. but yeah no denying the end is so stupid it definitley knocks the episode down a few notches
I disagree with Lucy's death being pointless, serves to make the master more desperate which suits rassalons evil plans even better, he also shoots rassalon in the chest as they go back to the time war, striking down on him for the message in the first place,which he couldn't have done otherwise
Day of the Daleks: Two unnamed UNIT guards patrolling the grounds outside the estate ; Shura (one of the resistance guerrillas from the future) disintegrated them without a reason when the guerrillas were supposed to be maintaining stealth. The Green Death: The coal miners Hughes, Dai Evans and Bert each (stupidly) touched the glowing green slime dripping down the mine wall - one of the most easily avoided deaths in the show's entire history. Similarly in The Ark In Space, Noah/Lazon goes down into the power and becomes infected by the Wirrn maggot after stunning the 4th Doctor who was trying to warn him about the danger there. The Claws of Axos: Pigbin Josh (vagrant) walks up to what is clearly something alien, gets dragged inside and literally has the life sucked out of him, leaving a husk. In the same story, Winser, the nuclear research scientist, tries to open the light accelerator chamber when there is clearly something dangerous happening inside, and is consumed/transformed by the Axonite. [This is just for a start - the list is endless]
death of adrick I think is what made the saving possible. Like the doctor learned more from that and thought up ideas to keep such a thing from happening again. but that is just my hope.
Given that Adric's death occurs around the extinction event that kills off the dinosaurs, my headcanon theorizes that trying to save hi. Would risk a fixed point in time.
i’m genuinely confused by your definition of murder? she did everything she could to get him out of there. he had time to escape but he chose to stay and die. that’s not murder that’s suicide
@@crowheadcane1723 She could've *not* blown up the robots who displayed sentience by reaching out for her help. And therefore not killed the annoying guy. There was a better way to write the ending.
@@MatadorMedia the robots were going to blow up anyway, she just stopped them killing people in the process. she didn’t plan for the guy to run out into the middle of it?
It wasnt unnecessary but Clara's death in face the raven was so unbelievably stupid. Also, the Doctor and Rose leaving Adam Mitchell was just cruel, yes he made a mistake and was greedy but that's human nature
Clara's non-death was such a cheat. I'd been looking forward to her being killed off for a long time (loathed her), and at the last moment, it's "haha, GOTCHA!" So instead of dying bravely, she gets to be as immortal as Ashildr and has her own TARDIS.
The whole point of Adric's death is the ship was out of control and heading back in time. The TARDIS couldn't get a lock. And the time thing was Adric's doing as he tried to regain control.
I never saw the episode only part in videos about deaths ect. I thought that he died because the ship was supposed to be the reason for dinosaurs to die out or so like they did in fires of pompey episode in nuwho… and that was why he could try to save adric as the conclusion of the ship falling on earth was basically a fix point in time or so…
@@nikiart8190 - The issue of not getting a lock was the reason. It was a “fixed point” in time because the Doctor is not supposed to use time travel to do “do overs.” I know in books he supposedly did find a way to save him but had to leave him in a parallel universe so there would be no paradox issues.
Iain Glenn made Octavian the fan favourite he was in his one episode. And I'm not just saying that because of how incredible he was in GoT. Give basically any other actor that role and I don't know if he resonates as well.
The Doctor wasn't in any way or form responsible for the bus driver. As with Sara Kingdom, the Doctor warned the bus driver (among all the others) about the dangers of the portal. The driver wasn't rational enough to heed this warning, eventhough he clearly saw, what the thing did with his bus. Come on, walking through that unprotected? The BEST idea ever! Also he was a bus driver, a person, responsible for safely taking the people back home, that was his job, wasn't it? They were stranded on a strange alien planet and what did he do? Thought about HIMSELF. He saw the shortest way home, so he went and basically abandoned his passengers on an alien planet. If he survived, he should be fired from his job. Luckily he didn't.
- oh no i died aaaaah *diying sounds* - oh noooo, but why you died?!1!1?!?1!? - i died cause...i died cause i died, ok?! stop asking!!! *proceeds to die with anger*
Yes, the TARDIS was damaged, and they couldn't go back right then and save Adric. It's just too bad that the TARDIS isn't a time machine, where they could have gone back and rescued Adric when they got it fixed.
As I've commented on someone else's comment, even though it's from Modern Who Lore, that if they travel back, The Tardis becomes stuck in the timeline as part of the events meaning they'd all die with Adric.
@@TheHufflepuffSaint I think it that were the case, the Tardis would have gotten stuck lots of times. Fact it, none of this makes sense, because... Time Travel. But that also, doesn't make sense. ;-)
@@desiv1170 Not really. As the 9th Doctor tells Rose, he knows what he's doing whereas humans don't. I know RuLe OnE: ThE DoCtOr LiEs. But as far as I'm concerned, everything the 9th Doctor said was the truth before all these childish rules were invented into the Lore. The Doctor knows how not to get the Tardis stuck as part of events.
One of the rules of time is that the Doctor isn’t supposed to try to change his own past. Adric was dead. Changing that potentially creates an impermissible paradox.
Terrance Dicks later pointed out that the 2nd Ogron had to died because it was vital to the later plot point and Katarina had to die because everybody needed to explain everything to her although the first scene she would of filmed would of been her death. Although Jamie lasted for 3-4 years as a historical companion and with adric you can't rewrite history not 1 line as the First Doctor Quotes also isn't this explained with Rose's dad in the new who.
Fun fact: The character of Jamie Fraser in Outlander was based on Jamie McCrimmon, and Diana Gabaldon wanted Frazier Hines to play Jamie in the TV series. That didn't work out, but the actor did play another character for an episode or two.
Now in the 1st weeping angel episode I saw back in the Tenant DR. Who season when a Weeping Angel touches you your tossed back in time feeding them temporal energy . In the next Dr. season a church soldier gets a head lock by one but didn't go time poof. OOPS .
At what point in a 65 million-year span of time do you do that? And keep in mind that this was nearly 40 years ago. Matthew Waterhouse isn't exactly a spring chicken anymore.
What about Clara Oswalt , she could have easily been saved the same way the 11th doctor saved himself , a fact that has not been brought up by the doctor when he really was desperate to save her , i mean it was simple make the robot look like her and then replace her , the doctor was teleported away before he could even realised that wasn't really Clara ( not that it would have even matered since River Song thought that the robot was the doctor to begin with ) , i mean there is the posibility that Clara could save herself that way since now she has her own tardis , but still a big plothole in my opinion
Gotta say...at least some of these aren't pointless or stupid. They're just emotional humans acting emotionally...which can definitely be an emotional beat for the audience and a very realistic way for characters to be portrayed.
Not working for the bus driver though. Being emotional? He should be rational. He was a bus driver, that's a hell of a responsible job. He was supposed to take his passengers back. By killing himself, he abandoned them. A rational bus driver would inspect the damage on the bus and calculate the danger. No, he saw an "easy" way back home ... only for himself. He definitely got, what he deserved. And yes, it was totally a pointless death that one.
I wonder how many zillion years ago or in the future Venus was inhabited. It was the stupidest name they could have given it, straight from 1950s pulp magazines. And unless I'm mistaken they retconned it from Ju-Jitsu to Aikido.
@@multi-purposebiped7419 At the time the 3rd Doctor stories were written we hadn't known as much about Venus as we do now. Of course we know now that nothing except extremophiles could survive on that planet or in the atmosphere. But back then? Who knew?
The only thing I'll say about Octavion is that while his death is annoyingly unfortunate, preventable and so so close to not happening his last conversation with the Doctor is masterfully written.
Dr: I'm sorry. I wish I'd known you better.
Oc: I think, sir, you knew me at my best.
Oh yes I definitely agree. His death only stands out as being frustrating/easily-preventable because of how awesome the character is, and it would’ve been great to see more of him
The Doctor: "Are you ready?"
Octavian: "Content."
All I can think of when watching this is poor Peck the Hath in “The Doctor’s Daughter”. Martha didn’t need to fall into the mud pit. Peck didn’t need to go in after her.
Maybe he felt like he owed her one from her fixing his arm. And as someone who has fallen down a crumbling hill, not into a tar pit but it sure as hell hurt... I can honestly say, you don't get to choose which way you fall. All it takes is one wrong step.
Good shout! That death always felt super weird to me
I'd forgotten that. Yeah, I liked him.
I know what you mean but I think the death reminds Martha of the reason why she walked away from travelling with the Doctor. The heartache got too much.
@@mgthestrange9098 That may be but... how do you drown a fish?
I’d like to nominate Issac from A Town Called Mercy as he sacrificed himself to the gunslinger to save his friend but his friend ended up getting killed anyway!
His friend didn't get killed, he committed suicide
@@alexphillips7482 point still stands that he tried to save him by giving his life and the actions turned out to be pointless
@@gingaddict agreef. Just wanted to clear that up
I disagree with this one to be honest. That episode reminds us what happens when the Doctor is alone for too long. Isaac's death spurs not only the Doctor to come back to himself but also the redemption of Jex
I think the bus driver's death was necessary from the audience's viewpoint -- we, the viewers, needed evidence that the portal was fatal; therefore, *some* living being had to be sacrificed. That said, the script could have shown the Doctor trying harder to prevent it.
Possibly, but then again how many times have we heard how deadly something is in this show, without actually being shown
@@danthemeegs8751 Well, this time, they gave us a visual aid.
I'm with you, Uri. If he hadn't died, some other video would be asking, "Why didn't they just walk back through?"
The bus was pretty messed up, the skeleton held, but overall ... well. So a squishy human being thought he had better chances to survive the trip on his own? Sure.
Not gonna lie I low-key tear up when Octavian dies. Something about his death I find really powerful. Excellent character and an excellent performance by Iain Glen. One of my favourite supporting characters in the show.
Damn, it’s rough when you get so much wrong in the first minute, it makes me want to comment.
Lucy’s death is what made the masters reincarnation go wrong. The Doctor even says so, that’s why his metabolism is going so fast the master is using his life force, also using his life force for the new powers he has.. lightning fists.
If she did nothing the master would of been fully restored by the people who gave their life force to bring him back. And then the master would of tormented Lucy again or killed her. Her death by messing up his reincarnation is not pointless. Also if she didn’t die, they would of had to incorporate her as the masters unwilling servant into the story. Her death and what it caused set up a good portion of that 2 part episode.
If she did nothing to intervene and the master came back and killed her in the spot. Then her death would be pointless, but wait even then it wouldn’t be. Because she had to be there because she had some of the masters DNA. On her? In her? They don’t really say, they just wipe her lips and have the masters DNA even tho I think the episode says it had been quite some time since his death.
The point is that Lucy didn’t succeed in her main goal - to kill The Master. All she ended up doing was giving him a new power. She’d have been better off using her resources to escape the prison and find the Doctor.
Thank you! Even though she didn’t succeed, it’s definitely not pointless because she would have died anyway, so at least she made it so the master didn’t return at full strength and she died on her own terms
@@darudesandstrom1067 except he was even stronger, mans could shoot lightning
@@cjdoesart his body was unstable and could have failed at any point
@@danthemeegs8751 she didn't give him a new power, it would eventually kill him ffs, the doctor even says it about his metabolic rate
Some of these deaths serve as a “visible consequence” for an action taken or failed to take so the audience knows something can’t be done a certain way,
Like the Bus Driver walking through the portal, he does the thing, burns to a crisp, we as an audience know they can’t walk through the portal.
While it was verbally explained, show it don’t tell it works better in this instance IMO
It was actually shown with the bus. You see what state it is in, the skeleton holds, but overall, pretty messed. And it was that bus, that protected them, so a squishy human thinks they have a chance on their own? That really was unnecessary. The trip alone was shown, that it's not just a simple portal, you jump in and pop out immediately on the other side. Nope, it took a while to go through with a bus! So a trip on foot without anything to cover, to protect you? A very bad idea.
Honestly, most doctor who deaths are for no reason.
They're either "oh people are dying, this is dangerous!"
Or "oh they died, I'll be sad for a minute before going about my day"
I love how they start off number 6 by saying "although he comes back a few episodes later"
In the book of "Earthshock" the reason why the Doctor is unable to save Adric is explained in more detail: the freighter, as it's travelling back through time, is phasing in and out at random. This, combined with the damage to the console, means the TARDIS can't materialize onboard in time to save Adric.
I know its from modern Who Lore but it's also been suggested that the Tardis needs to lock onto a space to materialise successfully.
He died because sometimes, if we all wish really hard...
It was explained during the TV story as well.
Don't they say all that in the TV version?
@@philipmonihan8222 They do indeed.
Saw the thumbnail "Hey that's the guy from GoT!" Thanks Sean
Jorah Mormont, what an absolute LEDGE
And the guy with one of the coolest voices ever.
@@JROfDoom Oh yeah definitely, I want him to narrate my life
Weeping Angel: baaaaaaabyyyyy! (Marvin Gaye’s Sexual healing)
And Bruce Wayne from titans.
I died for you Doctor.
Dr ( Sorry Ricky ).
Micky ( Its Micky ).
Dr ( No it isn't ).
Lol.
You could also include Lynda from Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways as a death for no reason.
I actually got the signature from the actor who plays Dorium from a con I went to in 2013, was pretty cool to see him there considering I had no idea he was even present at the con.
1:03 Did you forget that the Master literally saved The Doctor with those powers. So without Lucy The Doctor would have been killed
The entire story is based on the Master not coming back correctly.
Sixth Doctor to the two guys in the acid bath: "You'll excuse me if I don't join you!". That's when I decided to like him! Good episode overall too.
They tried for 5 seasons to make Pertwee James Bond and failed. They succeeded in one line with Colin Baker.
Shame the outfit kind of undermined his writing at times.
Ambrose made a very poor choice when she confronted Alaya, but it wasn't unbelievably stupid, just the kind of stupid that stressed and off-balance people display very often. Her son and husband were abducted and she had no good reason to believe the Doctor could rescue them. From her (shaky) POV, it was better to try to use the means she had.
Yeah. Its a feasible reaction of humanity. Just like in Midnight; the way people acted on that episode is how a scared group of people in real life could actually be. Which is why that's the scariest episode of Doctor Who for me.
I'd also like to nominate Mrs.Moore from Tennants era, she'd just helped solve a big clue in the case of how to stop the cybermen while crouched down, stood up and was killed, with Tennant just pulling a face. unnecessary imo
To be fair, though, Ambrose's dad was dying from the Silurian poison, & she was trying to force Alaya to tell her how to cure it. Plus, Alaya was a zealot who actually wanted to die in order to spark a war.
Never mind The Doctor stalling to get Father Octavian grabbed... they have said a million times that the weeping angels turn to stone when being seen. The Doctor could literally have just broken that angel's arm off freeing him from the grasp.
I like to think that 'pointless' deaths are actually very important. Perhaps the person who died would either have had children (or at least influence a child) who might grow up to be a saint...or a monster (if not that kid, perhaps one of their descendants). Perhaps the very existence of the 'pointless character' at a certain location, at a certain time might defect 'fate' from affecting some other person for good or bad...they literally were 'in the way'.
Time, itself, might be using the Doctor to do a little tidying up, so to speak.
I can't remember his name, but the other scientist in praxeus who worked with suki died for literally no reason. His death wasn't even acknowledged
Welcome to Chibnall's writing prowess.
@@TheHufflepuffSaint I mean you're not wrong
Lucy's death was necessary, it's the reason the masters resurrection wasn't complete hence the time Lords saying they wouldn't take him back as he was "diseased" which led to the master turning on the time Lords and helping the doctor completing his "arc" so to speak
I agree that Lucy's death was necessary but Rassilon was talking about the Master's insanity which was caused by the Time Lords.
Ah yes Alaya died for "no reason", it's not like the entire plot of Cold Blood revolves around her murder
“No reason” - i.e contrived writing to make an intelligent character do something utterly unbelievable
Actually, that whole chain of events rather miffed me, too.
Sorry Octavian, I tried my best buddy :(
It's a shame you couldn't know him better. But at least he was content.
Here's an unnecessary death: The deaths in resurrection of the Daleks. But wouldn't the doctor be caught sneaking away from the acid bath? I can still picture him fighting the two guards as they try to grab him.
Which deaths precisely? There are so many in that one
I don't know if they were necessary, but they gave us one of the best companion departures ever.
For the acid baths, inconsequential characters die by the dozen in Doctor Who. Hell, they're expected to.
Never got over mrs morris’ death in age of Steele. Her death was unnecessary and she was a brilliant character. Big finish do your thing!?…
There's still a real world... or normal world Angela Price who appears in the Sarah Jane Adventures... not the same actress sadly. But I agree, she was awesome but I think it was bound to happen just to show how monstrous and cold the Cybermen can be.
That one was disappointing.
You mean Mrs Moore
@@darudesandstrom1067 oh yeah, don’t know where I got Morris from?? XD
Adric's unnecessary death was due to him deciding to hop out of the escape elevator at the last second, can't put that one of the Doc.
In Adric's defense, he thought he was saving Earth, not realizing that the freighter was actually the "asteroid" that crashed into the Yucatan and killed the dinosaurs. He had good intentions, but bad luck.
Maybe do a " 10 unceremonious deaths" video. For example, that big guy from the Titanic episode who died because the metal bent... That was a dick way to kill him off.
I think that would've been a better title for this video to be honest because Death doesn't need reason but they were unceremonious in visuals.
That's kinda where the episode itself died for me.
6:04 I think that referring to a story that only has 3 out of 12 episodes intact (3 out of 13 if you want to count Mission to the Unknown) as "partially missing" is a bit of an understatement.
Good to see you care about the old seasons
I tend to see most of these deaths as "oh thats the threat this week then"
When Dorian gets killed, there was a rumour saying, it should’ve been Jack from torchwood, but would’ve set up him for being the face of Boe.
I can’t find where I saw this info, but it’s because he wasn’t available for the filming of the episode
The ship Adric was one was moving backward in time preventing an easy landing.
IIRC in Earthshock the spaceship Adric blows up on is said to be the "asteroid" the wiped out the dinosaurs.
Seems to me that would mean the Doctor couldn't save the ship without wiping out most of history. Tegan would have ceased to exist for sure if humanity never happened, so he'd have lost a companion one way or the other. :)
Dr. Isaacs got his fate here too.. :D :D
Adric's death could have been avoided if he had just stayed in the escape pod instead of running back to the console
0:34 uhm... the potion was the reason that the master kept turning into a skeleton and he kept eating everything, he was much more vulnerable as he was between life and death
5:40 now, I've not watched this episode, but disarmed does not equate to harmless...
I know this is a different series but like, look at a wookiee from Star Wars, sure they carry bowcasters, but if you take that away, they're still a mountain of a creature who can rip your arms off
Death needs no rhyme or reason to happen. Everything can change in an instant.... Every second for every person could be the end. Death has no reason.
Very true, unfortunately.
Okay so I’d just like to point out one thing; on numerous videos I’ve heard it said the Doctor did nothing to save Adric, but I watched Earthshock again the other day: YES HE DOES! The Doctor is attempting to use the Tardis to save him yet the Tardis is damaged by the Cybermen and he can’t. He’s even shouting “I must save Adric” The Doctor legitimately did try
The episode "Kerblam! is concrete support for the hypothesis that any character who wears a high vis in Doctor Who is going to die.
Haven't seen it. Does Lee Mack die?
@@youngdolo8 Well he wears a high vis, is really nice to the group, is a celeb cameo, tells them about how much he loves his job and about his only daughter who he loves very much and even wears a necklace made of pasta she made for him.
Based on our knowledge of how these things tend to go, I'd say his chances weren't looking good
There is a perfectly valid reason for all these characters to die…
_It was in the script_
The only comment I can make re Adric’s death is that he was meant to die and if The Doctor had rescued him, there would have been a person alive that shouldn’t have been. But of course, it is open for all sorts of debates.
To be fair, Ambrose was worried about her family, her husband and son were kidnapped and her father was infected by Silurian venom and possibly dying, some people in her position might have done the same thing
They all go to the darkness to meet duroc and hearing the voices of the dead
I watched only a few episodes of the 5th Doctor, but maybe the reason why the Doctor didn't save adric is because he doesn't know how to precisely land the Tardis and fly the it perfectly, but only the older versions can
Wait but the doctor materialized the Tardis around Captain Jack as well when his ship is about to explode.
Also 12th materialized the TARDIS around the soldier woman in "Into Dalek", as he told her exactly that. There wasn't time to save her brother though.
A random thought:
I think that Maldovar's actor would be a very nice Doctor!
Simon Fisher-Becker is a very talented actor, as well as a very lovely man.
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The freighter Adric was on was also falling back through time, which made it a doubly difficult moving target to hit with a damaged TARDIS.
Yep. It was traveling back to kill the dinosaurs, and Adric didn't know that. He thought he was doing the right thing by trying to stop it.
That old guy who blew up Gallifrey in the Timeless Children. If the Dr is now immortal she could have done it.
Which she would still die, While yes The Doctor might have Infinite Lives (Rumour for Series 13, The Master might be the Timeless Child, he lied to the doctor about it being her) But if she is killed before Regeneration, she would still fully die. The Master and the Master Race have HER DNA if she is the Timeless Child, even she would have the Master's DNA if he did end up being the Timeless Child. Basically what I am saying is, No the Doctor would have still died, then it would have been the end of Doctor Who entirely, Be glad Chibnall didn't decide to do that.
That's a common misconception. The Doctor (Timeless Child) is in no way IMMORTAL. Infinite regeneration doesn't mean immortality. Being poisoned, drown or shot during the process of regeneration would still kill them for good. Also blown up to pieces counts.
Wait a second didn't #3 end with all of the deaths being undone and the angels simply not existing anymore?
I have to admit I disagree with the first one, without Lucy Saxons sacrifice the master would have been fully resurrected, as the doctor himself said "your resurrection went wrong, your body's ripped open"
He was dead/dying already, it was just a case of how many he took with him, all because of her 😊
Damn, Seàn! Why is it that you do 80% of all the videos? I hope you are making a lot of money.
I see the Third Doctor shooting those guys in hindsight Being a good way to show how the doctor has changed over time and become a better person
I'm 42 seconds in, and ... the potion did nothing? It was the thing that prevented the Master from being brought back fully, which motivated his entire set of actions in the story. "So hungry" and all that. It also seemed to be why he was giving off energy the way he did, which enabled him to respond to Rassillon at the end of the story. So ... the entire story turned on Lucy Saxon's use of the potion.
What's particularly stupid about Adric's death is the fact that the TARDIS is a *time machine*. Leave that point in time as Adric is dying, repair the TARDIS, *then* go back and save him.
Sheesh.
you can't purpously change events you witness happen. it's a paradox.
@@TheWeepingDalek Well, They never See Adric in the Ship, they are just Informed that Adric was still on the Ship after everyone else Escaped. They only had 1 Word to go off, Someone, maybe even a future incarnation of The Doctor could have risked saving him, It wouldn't impact the Paradox, the Future Incarnation would just know not to let him back with the 5th Doctor. It also wouldn't impact the fixed point in time of the Ship being the cause of the Extinction of the Dinosaurs.
If the Tardis is broken how do you go back in time?
In the next episode the girls nagged him to go back but he asserted it was impossible.
Adric's death had a profound effect on the 5th Doctor, right up to his own death, and it was referenced several times in subsequent episodes. The last thing the Fifth Doctor said was Adric's name.
Lucy's death wasn't for nothing. It was made clear that her intervention was why the Master came back in a dying state.
Adric needs to come off this list as there was a reason, so the audience don't need to worry about him coming back!
God Complex... Ryta...
"Voyage of the Damned" Where he crashed into the Titanic and Kylie Minogue died!
I always thought why did they leave charlie
i mean they tried their best to get him out of there, he chose to stay and die ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Ah yes Kerblam one of only two decent season 37 episodes (the other being the opener).. but yeah no denying the end is so stupid it definitley knocks the episode down a few notches
I disagree with Lucy's death being pointless, serves to make the master more desperate which suits rassalons evil plans even better, he also shoots rassalon in the chest as they go back to the time war, striking down on him for the message in the first place,which he couldn't have done otherwise
You forgot the careers of any actor appearing in series 11 or 12!
Would Adric's death technically be a fixed point though? Considering that the ship is supposed to be the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs...right?
Day of the Daleks: Two unnamed UNIT guards patrolling the grounds outside the estate ; Shura (one of the resistance guerrillas from the future) disintegrated them without a reason when the guerrillas were supposed to be maintaining stealth. The Green Death: The coal miners Hughes, Dai Evans and Bert each (stupidly) touched the glowing green slime dripping down the mine wall - one of the most easily avoided deaths in the show's entire history. Similarly in The Ark In Space, Noah/Lazon goes down into the power and becomes infected by the Wirrn maggot after stunning the 4th Doctor who was trying to warn him about the danger there. The Claws of Axos: Pigbin Josh (vagrant) walks up to what is clearly something alien, gets dragged inside and literally has the life sucked out of him, leaving a husk. In the same story, Winser, the nuclear research scientist, tries to open the light accelerator chamber when there is clearly something dangerous happening inside, and is consumed/transformed by the Axonite. [This is just for a start - the list is endless]
it's easier to consider 13th doctor a fan made lecture designed to ruin the show than actual cannon
death of adrick I think is what made the saving possible. Like the doctor learned more from that and thought up ideas to keep such a thing from happening again. but that is just my hope.
Astrid should be here... she didnt have to drive off the ledge she could have jumped off the lift cart before hand not killing herself!!
Adrics death. The console was damaged more then normal. Also I don’t think he knew how to materialise around someone back then.
Given that Adric's death occurs around the extinction event that kills off the dinosaurs, my headcanon theorizes that trying to save hi. Would risk a fixed point in time.
Yep. The freighter had to travel back 65 million years, and he was an unfortunate collateral victim.
Kerblam pissed me off... the Doctor goes on a rant about saving lives and then just straight up murders this boy. Thirteen is the worst.
i’m genuinely confused by your definition of murder? she did everything she could to get him out of there. he had time to escape but he chose to stay and die. that’s not murder that’s suicide
@@crowheadcane1723 She could've *not* blown up the robots who displayed sentience by reaching out for her help. And therefore not killed the annoying guy. There was a better way to write the ending.
@@MatadorMedia the robots were going to blow up anyway, she just stopped them killing people in the process. she didn’t plan for the guy to run out into the middle of it?
You forgot the Sixth Doctor!!! 😬
I was so confused that alaya died cause it looked like she was hit with a taser
You and I have different ideas with regards to whether there's a point to the deaths of the characters
It wasnt unnecessary but Clara's death in face the raven was so unbelievably stupid. Also, the Doctor and Rose leaving Adam Mitchell was just cruel, yes he made a mistake and was greedy but that's human nature
Clara's non-death was such a cheat. I'd been looking forward to her being killed off for a long time (loathed her), and at the last moment, it's "haha, GOTCHA!" So instead of dying bravely, she gets to be as immortal as Ashildr and has her own TARDIS.
The whole point of Adric's death is the ship was out of control and heading back in time. The TARDIS couldn't get a lock. And the time thing was Adric's doing as he tried to regain control.
I never saw the episode only part in videos about deaths ect. I thought that he died because the ship was supposed to be the reason for dinosaurs to die out or so like they did in fires of pompey episode in nuwho… and that was why he could try to save adric as the conclusion of the ship falling on earth was basically a fix point in time or so…
@@nikiart8190 - The issue of not getting a lock was the reason. It was a “fixed point” in time because the Doctor is not supposed to use time travel to do “do overs.” I know in books he supposedly did find a way to save him but had to leave him in a parallel universe so there would be no paradox issues.
@@qdllc It's canon that Adric died when the freighter crashed into the Earth.
Iain Glenn made Octavian the fan favourite he was in his one episode. And I'm not just saying that because of how incredible he was in GoT. Give basically any other actor that role and I don't know if he resonates as well.
I always understood Lucy Saxon's actions as being the reason his resurrection went wrong as the Doctor said. But maybe I'm wrong.
The Doctor wasn't in any way or form responsible for the bus driver. As with Sara Kingdom, the Doctor warned the bus driver (among all the others) about the dangers of the portal. The driver wasn't rational enough to heed this warning, eventhough he clearly saw, what the thing did with his bus. Come on, walking through that unprotected? The BEST idea ever! Also he was a bus driver, a person, responsible for safely taking the people back home, that was his job, wasn't it? They were stranded on a strange alien planet and what did he do? Thought about HIMSELF. He saw the shortest way home, so he went and basically abandoned his passengers on an alien planet. If he survived, he should be fired from his job. Luckily he didn't.
I actually liked the twist in Kerblam. Corporate heads are always bad guys in these stories. It was a change!
I agree with all of these deaths.
- oh no i died aaaaah *diying sounds*
- oh noooo, but why you died?!1!1?!?1!?
- i died cause...i died cause i died, ok?! stop asking!!! *proceeds to die with anger*
forget sarah kingdom what about poor katiana. that death was far more tragic and pointless. a random criminal takes her hostage.
Yes, the TARDIS was damaged, and they couldn't go back right then and save Adric. It's just too bad that the TARDIS isn't a time machine, where they could have gone back and rescued Adric when they got it fixed.
As I've commented on someone else's comment, even though it's from Modern Who Lore, that if they travel back, The Tardis becomes stuck in the timeline as part of the events meaning they'd all die with Adric.
There's a perfectly reasonable explanation why they didn't do that:
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@@TheHufflepuffSaint I think it that were the case, the Tardis would have gotten stuck lots of times. Fact it, none of this makes sense, because... Time Travel. But that also, doesn't make sense. ;-)
@@desiv1170 Not really. As the 9th Doctor tells Rose, he knows what he's doing whereas humans don't. I know RuLe OnE: ThE DoCtOr LiEs. But as far as I'm concerned, everything the 9th Doctor said was the truth before all these childish rules were invented into the Lore.
The Doctor knows how not to get the Tardis stuck as part of events.
One of the rules of time is that the Doctor isn’t supposed to try to change his own past. Adric was dead. Changing that potentially creates an impermissible paradox.
The Masters Resurrection didn't completely she interrupted the completion of the sacrifices so he was needing to suck on life of random people
Terrance Dicks later pointed out that the 2nd Ogron had to died because it was vital to the later plot point and Katarina had to die because everybody needed to explain everything to her although the first scene she would of filmed would of been her death. Although Jamie lasted for 3-4 years as a historical companion and with adric you can't rewrite history not 1 line as the First Doctor Quotes also isn't this explained with Rose's dad in the new who.
Fun fact: The character of Jamie Fraser in Outlander was based on Jamie McCrimmon, and Diana Gabaldon wanted Frazier Hines to play Jamie in the TV series. That didn't work out, but the actor did play another character for an episode or two.
Now in the 1st weeping angel episode I saw back in the Tenant DR. Who season when a Weeping Angel touches you your tossed back in time feeding them temporal energy . In the next Dr. season a church soldier gets a head lock by one but didn't go time poof. OOPS .
I just have to laugh when folk apply “Canon” to Dr.Who
Maybe the Doctor could go back and save Adric in a future story
Could be possible the Tardis is more advance and powerful now.
At what point in a 65 million-year span of time do you do that? And keep in mind that this was nearly 40 years ago. Matthew Waterhouse isn't exactly a spring chicken anymore.
I haven't even seen that kerblam episode and you explaining it to me is another reason I disliked that era
What about Clara Oswalt , she could have easily been saved the same way the 11th doctor saved himself , a fact that has not been brought up by the doctor when he really was desperate to save her , i mean it was simple make the robot look like her and then replace her , the doctor was teleported away before he could even realised that wasn't really Clara ( not that it would have even matered since River Song thought that the robot was the doctor to begin with ) , i mean there is the posibility that Clara could save herself that way since now she has her own tardis , but still a big plothole in my opinion
Gotta say...at least some of these aren't pointless or stupid. They're just emotional humans acting emotionally...which can definitely be an emotional beat for the audience and a very realistic way for characters to be portrayed.
Not working for the bus driver though. Being emotional? He should be rational. He was a bus driver, that's a hell of a responsible job. He was supposed to take his passengers back. By killing himself, he abandoned them.
A rational bus driver would inspect the damage on the bus and calculate the danger. No, he saw an "easy" way back home ... only for himself. He definitely got, what he deserved. And yes, it was totally a pointless death that one.
Eh... One of the acid bath guards was pushed by his friend. That being said, The Doctor did kill them. Accidentally but that is still murder.
For alaya the whole point of the episode was that she was killed
Yeah, Charlie's death was REALLY stupid.
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He didn't kill them. The guards did
Excuse me it Venusian Akido sir🧐🧐🧐
I wonder how many zillion years ago or in the future Venus was inhabited. It was the stupidest name they could have given it, straight from 1950s pulp magazines. And unless I'm mistaken they retconned it from Ju-Jitsu to Aikido.
@@multi-purposebiped7419 At the time the 3rd Doctor stories were written we hadn't known as much about Venus as we do now. Of course we know now that nothing except extremophiles could survive on that planet or in the atmosphere. But back then? Who knew?