Can We Rise Like THE DARK KNIGHT?

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    • @PoeticProse7
      @PoeticProse7 2 роки тому +13

      Fear is the mind killer. 😉

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  • @sean_mccadden
    @sean_mccadden 2 роки тому +5338

    Whats so beautiful about the ending of the Dark Knight Rises isn't just that Bruce gets his happy ending but Alfred also gets his happy ending. Alfred was basically Bruce's father figure and all he wanted to see was to see Bruce happy and that moment gave that to him. So amazing!

    • @stvia
      @stvia 2 роки тому +79

      Yeah, though I still think the not talking to each other is kinda stupid. He's basically his father introduce him to your wife/girlfriend. Wtf is the point of not talking to each other..

    • @Keyce0013
      @Keyce0013 2 роки тому +178

      I think that's mostly a thematic point. As much as Bruce may love Alfred like the surrogate father he is, Alfred is still a part of Bruce's painful past. It doesn't have to be a happy goodbye, but Bruce still needs to let go so that he can move on into the future.

    • @dcdowd
      @dcdowd 2 роки тому +116

      It was also a closing of a narrative loop. Alfred told the dream to Bruce earlier in the narrative and there were no words exchanged in the dream. This was a fulfillment of that and a completion of a narrative loop. It’s quite good storytelling, I think.

    • @xdragon2k
      @xdragon2k 2 роки тому +45

      Or, it could all just Alfred's imagination. Bruce did die in the blast and the only way he can cope is to imagine that Bruce made it.

    • @thegrayyernaut
      @thegrayyernaut 2 роки тому +40

      @@xdragon2k I choose to believe that it was real. That's the beauty of it.

  • @littleangel12344
    @littleangel12344 2 роки тому +2508

    The part that always gets me in the Dark Knight is when the convict on the ship confronts the guard for the switch and says he'll do "What you've should've done hours ago", and then throws the switch into the river. Such a powerful moment from the a person society wouldn't expect that kind of behavior from

    • @markweaver8845
      @markweaver8845 2 роки тому +78

      Love that moment, but also wince inside a bit. What if the Joker had set it up as a dead man switch, or so that it might transmit if it has a short in the wrong spot?

    • @d.b.4671
      @d.b.4671 2 роки тому +350

      @@markweaver8845 - From a narrative perspective, that would have defeated the purpose. His whole argument was that people are vicious and self-serving by nature, and will act on that nature when given the opportunity. It *had* to be someone willfully pressing the button, and it couldn't be anything else.
      ...But from an in-universe perspective, you make a valid point.

    • @tyrant-den884
      @tyrant-den884 2 роки тому +25

      The ships are my favorite scene.

    • @Nortarachanges
      @Nortarachanges 2 роки тому +52

      I reeeeeeally wish we could have seen that guy again. I hope he’s living a wonderful life right now

    • @simonjohnston3100
      @simonjohnston3100 2 роки тому +49

      I always suspected that if someone had flipped the switch it would have detonated their own ship. I wonder 🤔

  • @insert.coffeebean3066
    @insert.coffeebean3066 2 роки тому +1407

    When i was a child i took a self defense course, and i want to share a quote that my teacher said to us, that i had to think of with this episode: "You cannot protect yourself without fear. It is just as important to your body as happiness, or sadness, or anger or guilt. It can be just as healthy as all of those. When you're running for your life, then you're undoubtedly going to run faster than you would for a marathon. Embracing a fear, can be even more powerful than overcoming it."

    • @isaacsmith6878
      @isaacsmith6878 2 роки тому +74

      Fear isn't the killer it's the drive

    • @HIR0SE
      @HIR0SE 2 роки тому +31

      "Fear is your superpower!"

    • @SexiestPenguin
      @SexiestPenguin 2 роки тому +98

      “The rabbit runs faster than the fox, because the rabbit is running for his life while the fox is only running for his dinner.”

    • @Scrofar
      @Scrofar 2 роки тому +15

      I'm gonna remember this for the rest of my life, thank you for sharing

    • @gracehiggins2666
      @gracehiggins2666 2 роки тому +10

      @@SexiestPenguin I mean, if the fox is too slow to catch food, then it will also starve and die, so this quote kind of falls flat if you think about it.

  • @sirspamalot4014
    @sirspamalot4014 2 роки тому +1609

    "Why do we fall? So we can learn to pick ourselves up", is a line that I took with me into adulthood, and honestly, it helped me face failure a lot better than I did before, it takes time, but it helped.

    • @DougDimmaDingus
      @DougDimmaDingus 2 роки тому +36

      “It’s not who I am underneath. It’s what I do, that defines me.”

    • @Qui-Dad-Jinn
      @Qui-Dad-Jinn Рік тому +9

      My Drill Sgt had something like that. It was, "Suck it up and drive on". That's followed me my entire life. Unfortunately, I also stay in toxic places for too long because I'll be damned if some job makes me quit.

    • @pippaschroeder9660
      @pippaschroeder9660 Рік тому +7

      Yeah I watched the movies right after doing a speech in school about learning from failure and was so bummed I couldn’t have used that quote

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    • @bakpfeife2224
      @bakpfeife2224 8 місяців тому +5

      Same.... it got me through college failures, job failures, personal failures, death of a parent, death of other close ones and so on.
      It got me way further than a simple movie line should.

  • @lariel9
    @lariel9 2 роки тому +868

    Interesting fact about the Dark Knight Rises score. Hans Zimmer actually crowd sourced the chant to make the sound more full. Anyone could record themselves voicing the chant, and then he combined all of those recordings to give the full chant used throughout the film. So there are countless unknown names who contributed to the soundtrack, mine included.

    • @jamiekelly6851
      @jamiekelly6851 Рік тому +75

      Cant believe no one commented on this. That's awesome man.

    • @addyxinwonderland1473
      @addyxinwonderland1473 Рік тому +49

      Wow... I cant imagine how wonderful it must feel to watch that movie and know you'll forever be a part of it

    • @chrishart4901
      @chrishart4901 Рік тому +14

      I did this!

    • @bchapman994
      @bchapman994 Рік тому +7

      Very interesting! Do you remember what he actually had you say/chant? Is it another language??

    • @jackobrienacting
      @jackobrienacting Рік тому +32

      ​@@bchapman994it is. Can't remember the language but phonetically it's "Deshay Deshay basara." Meaning Rise.

  • @danieltidey5599
    @danieltidey5599 2 роки тому +986

    The ferry scene is the single most important scene in the entire trilogy - Gotham redeems itself in that scene, showing why it is so important for Bruce Wayne to keep fighting.
    Batman didn't thwart the Joker - ordinary people did. Even the other criminals rejected him.

    • @npcimknot958
      @npcimknot958 2 роки тому +31

      agree. but i think in this day and age, someone q-00% would press that button, we desperately need a bale batman right now :( we need hope

    • @Adenfall
      @Adenfall 2 роки тому +37

      I also love the scene where the big black prisoner takes the remote and breaks it. And basically says whatever happens happens.

    • @danieltidey5599
      @danieltidey5599 2 роки тому +53

      @@Adenfall "Give it to me and I'll do what you should've did ten minutes ago"
      Still gives me chills

    • @geraldburke5147
      @geraldburke5147 2 роки тому +14

      Very well said...it not about being a hero it's about being decent...

    • @DeathnoteBB
      @DeathnoteBB 2 роки тому +16

      @@npcimknot958 That’s exactly what the Joker thought, and yet nobody pushed it

  • @LydiaTarine12
    @LydiaTarine12 2 роки тому +623

    Can we take a moment to just bask in Gary Oldman being given the chance to play the good guy? He so often plays the bad guy (indeed, he auditioned for Ra's in this) that Christopher Nolan thought he might find it nice to actually play a good guy for a change. And he gives Gordon such _warmth_ and humanity.

    • @uncreative5766
      @uncreative5766 2 роки тому +44

      What about Gary Oldman as Sirius Black in Harry Potter?

    • @rhyanashah128
      @rhyanashah128 2 роки тому +28

      @@uncreative5766 1/3rd of his time on screen in HP is him being considered a mentally deranged murderer who works for the in-film version of hitler.

    • @uncreative5766
      @uncreative5766 2 роки тому +6

      @@rhyanashah128 Yet, was Gary Oldman's character actually a mentally deranged murdered working for their in-version Hitler?

    • @rhyanashah128
      @rhyanashah128 2 роки тому +20

      @Bradford Choung that's not the point, the point is that he spent 1/3rd of his screen time being a bad guy (not the big bad, but still a bad guy) so OP's point about him finally getting to be a good guy remains

    • @redsnorlax1945
      @redsnorlax1945 2 роки тому +2

      @@uncreative5766 100% good point

  • @bookmasterharry4432
    @bookmasterharry4432 2 роки тому +2037

    I love Batman, he is by far my favorite DC hero, but people often forget he's the Dark KNIGHT. As in, he's still a KNIGHT. For example, in one of my favorite Batman scenes of all time in one of the cartoons, the Justice League is responding to a threat. A person is causing chaos, and they figure out its this little girl(she's actually probably like 14, but still) named Ace, a human weapon who has mental and reality warping powers. It turns out that she's dying of a brain tumor, but when she dies the psychic backlash could kill everyone in a hundred miles. The people who made Ace have a solution. They made something that could kill her without killing everyone. So Batman grabs it and starts running to where she is. She let's him in. She's sitting on a swing set. He takes out the device, tosses it aside, and sits next to her. They talk, and she says that no one's ever played with her. That she doesn't want to be alone, and asks him not to leave. He stays with her, this abused, broken little girl with the power of the universe at her command, comforting her as she dies. That's Batman. Batman is a man who helps girls as they die, who buys dresses for Harley Quinn because the Joker wouldn't, and who let's Mr. Freeze go so he can visit his wife's grave because he knows it'll help him more than going to jail. Batman is a KNIGHT. He understands. He knows what it's like to go through Hell, and he tries his best to keep others from having to go through and that's why he uses fear as a weapon, because villians have been abusing it for far too long.

    • @thebloodroze1597
      @thebloodroze1597 2 роки тому +100

      Now I really want to see this scene, I've never really watched a DC movie, nor have I really watched Marvel movies.. The timelines scare me, however both franchises interest me greatly.

    • @bookmasterharry4432
      @bookmasterharry4432 2 роки тому +149

      @@thebloodroze1597 it's a scene from one of the cartoons, and it's easy enough to find on UA-cam. Just look up 'Batman, Ace's Death'.

    • @StudioHannah
      @StudioHannah 2 роки тому +131

      YESSSSS. This scene made the animated series version of Batman my absolute favorite. He was tough AND kind.

    • @StudioHannah
      @StudioHannah 2 роки тому +45

      @@thebloodroze1597 Just do one movie at a time! There are a lot of them, but like anything else, if you do one at a time you’ll get through them. You can catch up on all the Marvel films in less than a year just by watching one a week. Make yourself a movie night :)
      I don’t think the DC ones are as good overall, but I’ve been wanting to see them just because. I’ll probably make a movie night of my own!

    • @bookmasterharry4432
      @bookmasterharry4432 2 роки тому +17

      @@StudioHannah same with the comic book Batman, if they do him right.

  • @HydrateOrElse
    @HydrateOrElse 2 роки тому +789

    The pit climb is a great example of fear opening the door to courage. Courage isn't the absence of fear, it's doing what has to be done despite being terrified. Good lesson

    • @HK-gm8pe
      @HK-gm8pe Рік тому +36

      I am an ex-fentanyl addict who lived the worst life and even was on the street for a time , pit climb hads always been the most emotional scene for me

  • @ili257
    @ili257 2 роки тому +552

    "When life is gritty, scary and nasty, and you've lost everything and you're pushed to the edge; good people rise up and do the right thing" Love you guys!

  • @heartscapesreiki1496
    @heartscapesreiki1496 2 роки тому +1044

    "I don't like my Batman sadistic." Yes. Exactly. Batman seems like a simple character, but it's actually really difficult to get his character and story arc correct. Nolan's trilogy is the only one that truly nails it on all levels. I love every Batman movie there is (yes, even the Schumacher disasters, at least now with a couple decades' distance), but these are the Batman of my heart, the character I fell in love with as a child.

    • @MerelvandenHurk
      @MerelvandenHurk 2 роки тому +88

      Indeed, if Batman is supposed to be an inspiring symbol, a true hero, he can't be sadistic. There's nothing inspiring about a sadist.

    • @xenablossom4682
      @xenablossom4682 2 роки тому +22

      @@MerelvandenHurk Nothing cool about sadists either.

    • @davidranderson1
      @davidranderson1 2 роки тому +66

      Being a sadist also isn't in line with the Batman of the comics. Bruce Wayne isn't just out there stoically protecting other people in a detached way. He's trying to inspire people to act in the ways that they can, which includes, in some cases, training and supporting other people to do what he does, including the Robin characters or the other bat characters. I've always seen that as hopeful and empowering.

    • @heartscapesreiki1496
      @heartscapesreiki1496 2 роки тому +42

      @@davidranderson1 Yes, exactly. And I think this is where the character is actually quite difficult to render correctly. Because his overall stoic demeanor and use of imposing physicality can be easily interpreted as being emotionally detached, or even cruel. But what makes Bruce Wayne compelling is the deep well of emotion he carries, disguised behind the brooding silence. He loves deeply, which is the heart of his character arc--both in terms of his complicated grief (as outlined in this video) and his deep devotion to Gotham (which can be seen as an extension of that grief, but also as part of his core values of responsibility to his community, as shown us in these movies). It is when a writer attempts to simplify his emotional life that we run into problems. Burton's Batman and Nolans Batman both pay close attention to the necessary emotional complexity, which is why they are both perfect, IMHO 😁

    • @lkriticos7619
      @lkriticos7619 2 роки тому +35

      You might want to look up Dark Knight: A True Batman Story by Paul Dini. Dini worked on The Batman Animated Series, which was one of the long running shows that set out to write Batman as fundamentally compassionate. In the comic Dini recalls being attacked while he was working on the series. He was beaten badly enough that he needed metal plates in his skull. And the trauma from that encounter fed into how he wrote Batman. I think a lot of the points talked about here, Batman as a trauma survivor, come from Dini.

  • @Firegen1
    @Firegen1 2 роки тому +1879

    The beauty of this trilogy. It reconnected the need for the hero story in the superhero story. Also I believe in Alan's dream of having a Hans Zimmer score. Go Alan!

    • @eliscanfield3913
      @eliscanfield3913 2 роки тому +24

      Zimmer is a grand musician

    • @m.ily.n
      @m.ily.n 2 роки тому +11

      Zimmer and Desplat are top tier

    • @trinaq
      @trinaq 2 роки тому +13

      Preach, Hans Zimmer and John Williams are by far my two favourite composers! ❤️

    • @Firegen1
      @Firegen1 2 роки тому +11

      I'm gonna be controversial and say I like Zimmer a little more than Williams. I'm kinda a two way street on movie composing. Either I love literal atmosphere representation (Batman trilogy, His Dark Materials) or songs that I want download stat (Into the Spiderverse album). So boiled down....
      I'm for vibes or bops. Hmm I didn't realise I was so basick lol.

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  • @claratalbot7613
    @claratalbot7613 2 роки тому +855

    I love this trilogy to pieces. The line "Because he's not a hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A dark knight." gets me every time because it perfectly sums what Batman is. A symbol for good

    • @npcimknot958
      @npcimknot958 2 роки тому +17

      that’s speech tho so good.

    • @Keldroc
      @Keldroc 2 роки тому +13

      And then the third one reveals that...he just went back to the mansion and did nothing for 8 years. I will never understand how the third film didn't deal with the action described by the speech at the end of the second one. Actually that's not true, it's because the first two were largely written by Jonathan Nolan, an extremely talented writer, and the third was largely written by Dave Goyer, one of the worst screenwriters of his generation. What a shame.

    • @IggsHowlee
      @IggsHowlee 2 роки тому +10

      It also kind of sums up what assasins are in Assassin's Creed

    • @claratalbot7613
      @claratalbot7613 2 роки тому

      @@IggsHowlee Yeah in a way it does

    • @Myth_or_Mystery76
      @Myth_or_Mystery76 2 роки тому

      A little bit pretentious but good.

  • @erynja7085
    @erynja7085 2 роки тому +290

    Gordon’s monologue at the end of dark knight always gives me goosebumps because it captures exactly the essence of Batman

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      @Spider_purple7 Рік тому

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  • @ezekielnewey5273
    @ezekielnewey5273 2 роки тому +86

    This made me think about my favorite Dune quote.
    "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

    • @NerveUnderscore
      @NerveUnderscore 7 місяців тому +1

      I use this when my heart goes crazy with fear in some situations

    • @ronaldhudson169
      @ronaldhudson169 6 місяців тому +2

      The Bene Gesserit littany against fear.

  • @trinaq
    @trinaq 2 роки тому +1252

    I hope that Alan and Jonathan will react to "Perks of Being a Wallflower", and how repressed trauma can affect us into the present day. The scene where Charlie breaks down in the kitchen while remembering his Aunt Helen's sexual abuse of him makes me cry every time I read the book or watch the film. In particular, the line "I killed Aunt Helen, didn't I?" gets me, since many abuse victims automatically blame themselves for the abuse.

    • @Firegen1
      @Firegen1 2 роки тому +55

      I agree. This would be an important video. Hope you are doing ok Trina.

    • @trinaq
      @trinaq 2 роки тому +47

      @@Firegen1 Thanks so much, Firegen1, I'm doing well, thank you for asking. I love how we keep meeting in these comment sections, it's always fun to chat with you! ♥️🥰

    • @Firegen1
      @Firegen1 2 роки тому +26

      I'm so glad to hear that Trina. 🥰❤ Keep being awesome you. If OwO is like the king of clapback comments, you gotta be the legend of insightful commenters. It's always fun to see you in the same places. It's like a celebration of a great content maker!

    • @GcNaxsus
      @GcNaxsus 2 роки тому +19

      That book is amazing and the movie is beautiful. I agree they should definitely do at least one video on Perks but honestly they could do an individual video on each character

    • @noemiecansier8466
      @noemiecansier8466 2 роки тому +21

      I’m in a similar position as Charlie right now, with my own repressed trauma. The first time I listened to the audiobook when I was 13 I didn’t even register what exactly happened in the final act, it’s as if my mind just glossed right over it.

  • @InkyDustMan
    @InkyDustMan 2 роки тому +325

    Honestly, I love this test for if a depiction of Batman is accurate or not from Red of Overly Sarcastic Productions-
    "Could you see this Batman comforting a scared child? If not, I'm afraid you instead have the Punisher in a pointy hat."
    Honestly, I'm glad this was my first full exposure to the Batman character, it may not be perfect, but it is pretty close.

    • @TheFranchiseCA
      @TheFranchiseCA 2 роки тому +27

      The Punisher is at least aware of his shortcoming in this regard, BvS Batfleck doesn't seem to be.

    • @InkyDustMan
      @InkyDustMan 2 роки тому +29

      @@TheFranchiseCA I definitely agree from what I've seen of Batfleck. Although there's a larger issue with character inconsistency for me, for example, him blatantly and openly killing regular street thugs on the regular in brutally efficient ways, but letting the Joker live for some reason.
      Letting Joker live is very much in charaecter for Batman, because as stated here, he's not an executioner, most stricter versions of the Caped Crusader, do have him practicing a no killing rule, but even in cases where that's looser, he often doesn't use lethal force as his primary option. Keaton is in an interesting grey area where he's shown clearly killing, but it's a matter of different focus and environment. He almost has this James Bond kind of energy to him where if you treated it realistically, he'd absolutely be treated as a murderer vigilante, but those are aspects of his character which were added for the time to give him more credibility to show that comic movies didn't need to be so goofy and they could handle more mature themes and content. Effectively, it's not an accurate adaptation of the character we know today, but was a needed one since it was made to introduce heros to that era of action movies.
      Batfleck feels like it looked at the Keaton variant and completely missed the point, making brutal violence and extreme ideology the focal point of the whole character, stripping away any heroic qualities whatsoever, and doing the same with Superman, because "why not"?

    • @tajcee
      @tajcee 2 роки тому +9

      Honestly, Kevin Conroy’s BTAS Bats, Bale’s version, and Val Kilmer I can envision doing just that.

    • @nocontender6409
      @nocontender6409 2 роки тому +6

      @@InkyDustMan I'm tired so maybe I'm missing the part where you're directly saying it was the Nolan Batman that was killing street thugs, but I think that's what you're saying. And if so, it's incorrect. He did hurt and maim and injure but he kills no one in all three films. Maybe he was a little lax about Ras Al Ghul in the first one but I think the point was that he wouldn't be an executioner and that particular inconsistency might even be explainable by Bruce's simple human fallibility. I would suspect he ruminated on that decision (and others) on a loop during his isolation between the second and third films.

    • @InkyDustMan
      @InkyDustMan 2 роки тому +13

      @@nocontender6409 No not at all, I was referring to the Ben Affleck Batman from Batman Vs Superman and Justice League, in which he's established as being a brutal character who actively uses lethal force and brands criminals, yet it's also hinted at/implied in the DC cinematic universe that he not only lets the Joker, his most heinous and hated enemy live, he does so after the implied murder of Jason Todd's Robin, so I was saying that's a point against that variant of "Batman", where not only did he kill people, he also was written inconsistently to the point where he contradicts his own established characterization in my opinion.
      Wasn't referring to Nolan's Batman, just brought it up because someone else mentioned it in their reply. But thank you for being civil and understanding instead of assuming. ^-^

  • @jlcollins14
    @jlcollins14 2 роки тому +570

    Michael Caine's monologue to Bruce has me bawling every time I watch it. Alfred is such a surrogate dad and it breaks my heart that he feels such pain for Bruce. I totally agree with Alan, a Joseph Gordon Levitt follow up would have been such an awesome series. The cast in this series was so great. When it first came out, I didn't think Christian Bale was really the right actor for it. But I've watched it a couple times since the theatre release and I've changed my mind.

    • @lydiahood7725
      @lydiahood7725 2 роки тому +26

      Christian Bale if anything was the best actor for the role, because he is the only actor to have really pulled it off great. Being a method actor he was able to pull both Batman & Bruce Wayne to perfection, something no other actors were able to really pull, I mean Michael Keaton was decent at both, but not great, the rest tended to be good at being one or the other, but didn't really pull both. Its funny that Jonathan says that Christian Bale was just a fine Batman, I feel frankly compared to the other actors he did better at both roles, so that pretty much makes him the best Batman, I mean sure I get it, the voice was a bit ridiculous, but that wasn't that bad a flaw compared to all other possible flaws.

    • @jlcollins14
      @jlcollins14 2 роки тому +6

      @@lydiahood7725 I wasn't talking about his portrayal of the character exactly when I said I didn't think he was the right actor for the role. I was thinking about his abusive on set and offset past behaviors. I thought he was a good Bruce Wayne because of his general 'I don't care who you are' attitude in most things; which you expect from those with billions of dollars like Bruce Wayne. I don't know that I would classify him as the best actor for Batman. I think the technical side of this movie was better done with interesting accessories and gadgets that allowed the audience a better fantasy of Batman. The script was well done. There are lots of other actors I could envision in this role in this particular series who I would consider better actors than Bale, in my opinion. Whether they would have been great or tolerable will never be known because we didn't get to see them. But I respect the choices made in the movie and I enjoy watching it on occasion. It wouldn't be in my top 10 for hero movies though. It just happens to have a great cast of other actors I really enjoy watching. Cheers!

    • @heartscapesreiki1496
      @heartscapesreiki1496 2 роки тому

      Every. Time!

    • @Steven_Edwards
      @Steven_Edwards 2 роки тому

      @@jlcollins14 you really have to see a Vice.

  • @kuno3336
    @kuno3336 2 роки тому +161

    It occurs to me that him throwing the rope down for everyone else is a symbol for someone learning, making it, and making life easier for those that follow. I hadn't thought about it as a symbol until just now, it had always just been an act of him helping. But with all the symbolism present in the trilogy, I should have seen it sooner

  • @Tofu61
    @Tofu61 2 роки тому +257

    I'm so glad there's a Dark Knight Rises safe space here
    It's honestly my favorite of the trilogy, just because of the themes and how powerful it is. The Lazarus Pit is absolutely astounding.

    • @justinhunt4767
      @justinhunt4767 Рік тому +7

      Rise up 3 probably my favorite but some people like the 1st the best I can see why 2nd movie was the perceived best great movie but I go back and forth just saw all 3 again incredible trilogy

    • @triocha233
      @triocha233 Рік тому +5

      Always been my favourite ❤️
      It’s powerful, has helped fuel me in so many moments of my life

  • @4-kathryn
    @4-kathryn 2 роки тому +248

    I remember seating in the theater watching the 3rd film. When the camera panned to Bruce in that cafe... with Alfred looking on. I was truly happy. I still am re-watching that scene. Glad in this adaptation he got a happy ending.

  • @matityaloran9157
    @matityaloran9157 2 роки тому +340

    10:27, in Pixar’s Inside Out, Fear is explicitly acknowledged as being essential to keeping Riley safe

  • @chillsahoy2640
    @chillsahoy2640 2 роки тому +280

    There's an episode of Doctor Who which makes a similar point about fear. A young boy is scared and can't sleep at night, so the Doctor reminds him that fear is a superpower: fear allows you to run faster, to be stronger, to react faster, and to achieve things that you might not be able to do if you were calm. So while fear is not the answer to everything, you can still take advantage of it to reach certain goals when it looks like all other options are unavailable.

    • @chelseyaustin6015
      @chelseyaustin6015 2 роки тому +25

      I was suprised when I found out it was a kid show. Many episodes were scary to me. Like anything with the Angels. No thanks!

    • @ScarletShade13
      @ScarletShade13 2 роки тому +12

      @@chelseyaustin6015 Yes! The weeping Angels still scare me to this day!

    • @roselover411
      @roselover411 2 роки тому +17

      If this is the episode I think it is, that episode *ruined* me. For months I had to suppress the urge to look behind me when walking down a hallway when everyone else was asleep, imagining there would be a _something_ hiding beneath a blanket there. I hated that episode passionately because there was NO resolution. You don't find out what the thing was. You don't find out how to beat them. They just exist and you have to learn to accept that fear and I couldn't do that. Every other episode of Doctor Who had some level of completion. A way to make everything better. But that episode did not have one and I hated that.

    • @chillsahoy2640
      @chillsahoy2640 2 роки тому +11

      @@roselover411 I think having an episode with an open or ambiguous ending is fine, but in this case it was not executed in a way that felt 'right'. Still, the speech about fear being a superpower can be quite inspiring.

    • @roselover411
      @roselover411 2 роки тому

      @@chillsahoy2640 I can give you that. Wasn't helpful for me specifically but in a different context I would probably have loved it.

  • @veebeelights
    @veebeelights 2 роки тому +81

    The Dark Knight series is different from a lot of other Batmans because it had a strong moral core. And that's how you write a story that leaves an impact on an audience.

  • @nikopteros1659
    @nikopteros1659 2 роки тому +86

    Maaan. everytime I see Alfred cry or being emotional about Bruce's life it always makes me get teary eyed, Michael Caine was a FANTASTIC Alfred, it really makes me think of loving grandpa who is heartbroken that you're suffering and don't even acknowledge it

  • @davidranderson1
    @davidranderson1 2 роки тому +179

    Bruce Wayne's decision at the end of Dark Knight is very much in line with his goal in becoming Batman in the first movie. He recognizes that the city doesn't need a man. It needs a symbol. A man can be corrupted, but a symbol doesn't have to be. When he realizes that Batman is never going to be that symbol but Harvey Dent can be, he pivots immediately. And, seven years of peace does seem to prove the argument that a symbol is more powerful than a man.

  • @thebroken0wastaken
    @thebroken0wastaken 2 роки тому +458

    You guys gotta do "A Goofy Movie"!!!
    The father/son dynamic is so real. A single father trying his best to relate to and enjoy his son. The son feeling misunderstood and embarrassed by his family. The pressure by others to conform to their parenting style and how it backfires. So much psychology could be discussed. It's one of my favorite movies of all time. It deserves an episode!!

  • @Serenity113
    @Serenity113 2 роки тому +222

    Exposure therapy is the first thing I learned by myself when I had agoraphobia. I wasn’t able to leave my home for 6 years and at the time I was taking care of my elderly father. I had googled my “symptoms” and learned about exposure therapy. With that I made myself go for walks away from my house. I would tell myself to walk to a certain distance and go back. The idea was to try to train my brain to not jump to panic when I would leave my house. I would self soothe telling myself that it’s okay I’m in control I’m safe, etc. and I would do this every time pushing myself further and further away from my home until I didn’t feel panic. This was years ago. I’ve been going out a lot more since then. I’ve gone back to college and gotten jobs. Still have moments of panic and anxiety but who hasn’t these days? Lol

    • @beardlessdragon
      @beardlessdragon 2 роки тому +16

      That's wonderful to hear! Good on you!

    • @Serenity113
      @Serenity113 2 роки тому +36

      @@beardlessdragon thank you. Also want to clarify that exposure therapy alone wasn’t made me get over my agoraphobia. Once I was in a comfortable enough state of mind, I started going to an actual therapist and continued my therapy from there on out. Exposure therapy was just the one step that got me this far.

    • @tinselPixie
      @tinselPixie 2 роки тому +4

      BRAVO! There is always a way through.

    • @alex0589
      @alex0589 2 роки тому +8

      I had a really bad anxiety episode when i was 20, thankfully, the therapist i agreed to see was 2 buses and 1 train away, i had to break the ice and go in public transit right away
      when all i wanted to do is stay alone in a safe spot in my house.
      I'm really glad i did it, otherwise it would have been really hard to walk outside.
      The journey was literally just as important as the therapy at the destination.

    • @savvivixen8490
      @savvivixen8490 2 роки тому +3

      @@Serenity113 Wow! You're a pretty amazing person! For what it's worth, I'm really proud of you for putting in so much effort for your well being! That must have been a long, rough road just to get to the point of walking into a therapist's office. That's so friggin cool! 😊

  • @llaca1988
    @llaca1988 2 роки тому +168

    That final scene in The Dark Knight always gives me goosebump.

    • @desolate2703
      @desolate2703 Рік тому +2

      Only one goosebump? That’s rare!

    • @LuisSierra42
      @LuisSierra42 Рік тому

      @@desolate2703 it gives me thousands

    • @dreal500
      @dreal500 Рік тому +1

      Look for kevin conroys read of it. I bet it will bring you to tears. Lol

    • @Chuck_EL
      @Chuck_EL Рік тому +1

      ​@@dreal500 rip

    • @dreal500
      @dreal500 Рік тому +1

      @@Chuck_EL r.i.p indeed. What a loss.

  • @milo_thatch_incarnate
    @milo_thatch_incarnate 2 роки тому +102

    “Christian Bale is fine as Batman… but he’s the best Bruce Wayne.“ is one of the most perfect descriptions of an actor in a role that I’ve ever heard. Brilliant insight, Jonathan.
    I loved this video, as I do every one of your videos. Rewatching for the first time in a while, Michael Caine telling Bruce about his dream of seeing him happy, and then at the very end seeing him exactly like that, brought me to unexpected tears.
    Batman has always been a favorite “superhero“ of mine because he’s one of the most _flawed._ And it takes him a _long_ time to grow out of his flaws.

    • @Chuck_EL
      @Chuck_EL Рік тому +1

      I'll always agree with that he actually was Bruce Wayne, we saw that side of him often

    • @spider-man500
      @spider-man500 Рік тому +1

      And that's where Robert Pattinson's The Batman come in.
      He is the other way around. He is Batman, not Bruce Wayne.

  • @heartdragon2386
    @heartdragon2386 2 роки тому +221

    Weirdly, being a parent gave me that fear. Failing my kids is not an option. That makes me try when I would have bailed before. That gave me the determination to get my shit together in a way I thought was impossible before becoming a parent. That fear is what gave me the acceptance to go to therapy, because I didn't want to use my fear of being inadequate to keep me from being stronger for my boys.

    • @cbpd89
      @cbpd89 2 роки тому +18

      I feel much the same with my kids. On days when it's hard to get out of bed in the morning, knowing little guys are depending on me helps me keep going.

    • @Bilaldane
      @Bilaldane 2 роки тому +9

      Respect to you and your family, sure you're doing a great job

    • @heartdragon2386
      @heartdragon2386 2 роки тому +6

      @@Bilaldane thank you. That's very kind.

    • @trishapellis
      @trishapellis 2 роки тому +3

      That's beautiful. I wish more people did that.

    • @heartdragon2386
      @heartdragon2386 2 роки тому +2

      @Morgan Oates well, thanks. I'm a mom (coe is my childhood nickname), but I still appreciate it. 😊

  • @claireheideman21
    @claireheideman21 2 роки тому +224

    This trilogy is my favourite version of Batman. A hero who is defined by his humanity, integrity & morality and even his fallibility. It is a powerful depiction of overcoming what holds us back. And highlights the importance of connection and having a tribe or family where the mask or persona comes off.

  • @JayMallow
    @JayMallow 2 роки тому +110

    Every time I see the pit scene I'm reminded of a life defining G.K. Chesterton quote, "Courage is almost a contradiction in terms. A soldier surrounded by enemies, if he is to cut his way out, needs to combine a strong desire for living with a strange carelessness about dying. He must seek his life in a spirit of furious indifference to it; he must desire life like water and yet drink death like wine."

    • @misscraycray777
      @misscraycray777 2 роки тому +7

      Wow that's a great quote!

    • @rrraven369
      @rrraven369 2 роки тому

      That's such a great quote.

    • @savvivixen8490
      @savvivixen8490 2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for a fresh quote to never leave my mental library

    • @aubrey756
      @aubrey756 Рік тому

      What does drinking death like wine mean? I'm not a very confident reader..

  • @reeseg7909
    @reeseg7909 2 роки тому +304

    I'd love to hear your take on Robert Pattinson's The Batman. I really loved it, both for its noir thematic elements, the soundtrack (also BOMB), and this more nuanced exploration of using fear as a symbol.

    • @UVjoint
      @UVjoint 2 роки тому +19

      I really loved the growth, too - he starts out by saying "I'm vengeance" and (I think) at the end says "I'm light". And the symbolism added to it with the way the scenes were shot was also pretty great.

    • @nephicus339
      @nephicus339 2 роки тому

      Yes please!

    • @monfernova
      @monfernova 2 роки тому

      +1!

    • @levibowman3262
      @levibowman3262 2 роки тому +8

      I thought it was much weaker than the original triology. B maybe low A tier movie

    • @VonJay
      @VonJay Рік тому

      @@UVjoint I got the sentiment of his growth but I didn’t buy the transformation or the people recognizing his transformation enough to let him lead them. Because he practically does the same thing that made them afraid of him in the first place.
      Also thought most of the movie was pointless but visually it was more beautiful than avatar imo. Which leads me to believe there was a “halo effect” surrounding its beauty to where audiences confused its beauty for good storytelling.

  • @linesyverinsen9215
    @linesyverinsen9215 2 роки тому +58

    I love that he ultimately confronts his fears by actually physically embracing them, and seeing the power in the object of his fear. The first in the trilogy is my favorite, because of the initiation journey.

  • @tryingbridge2548
    @tryingbridge2548 2 роки тому +152

    I must admit. Out of every UA-cam channel. You guys make me wanna cry sometimes.
    Y'all are doing a great job. Never stop

  • @xochiltaviles4539
    @xochiltaviles4539 2 роки тому +177

    An interesting realization I’ve had of dark knight rises, is how time has passed and the younger generation is now the adults and how their perspective of Batman is more positive. It kinda reminds of Britney Spears situation. How the media and general pop turned on her, but it’s us (kids then) adults now, are the ones that stepped up to advocate for her. I think it shows how change is inevitable. And it takes time obviously but it comes regardless, generation to generation

    • @windowsVD
      @windowsVD 2 роки тому +22

      I don’t know about Batman in general, but I see what you’re saying at least in regards to this trilogy specifically. The same thing happened with the Sam Raimi Spider-Man trilogy. I remember when The Amazing Spider-Man was coming out, it was very hip amongst many groups online to bash Tobey as Spider-Man and his films. The most popular criticisms was that his movies were corny and that Tobey’s Spider-Man was too whiny. But now I’ve noticed that the Raimi trilogy is being held in higher regard online than they were before, and I think it is in large part as you said, the people who grew up with the Raimi Trilogy are now grownups and are dominating the discourse surrounding Spider-Man, which creates at least the impression that the Raimi trilogy is finally being viewed in a more positive manner.
      The Star Wars prequels had a similar fate. Fans hated the prequels when they came out, but now that people who grew up with the prequels as kids are now adults and the failings of the sequel trilogy has earned the ire of the collective Star Wars fandom, the prequels have finally gained a certain degree of acceptance among Star Wars fans.
      I think we are beginning to see this happen with The Dark Knight Trilogy. When the trilogy ended with The Dark Knight Rises, there was still a fair amount of contention at the time among older Batman fans in regards to whether or not the trilogy actually had a satisfactory interpretation of the character, despite the films’ critical acclaim. Now with TDK Rises about to reach its 10 year anniversary and the people who grew up with these films becoming adults, the Nolan trilogy has begun to reach a certain “nostalgic” status and are being seen overall as classics more than they were before. Of course, some of this will depend on how The Batman starting Robert Pattinson is received by fans. If the new film is not viewed favorably, it will to an extent, further reinforce the status of The Dark Knight Trilogy.

    • @Overseer2579
      @Overseer2579 2 роки тому +1

      Nicely said. The same could be stated about the Star Wars prequel and sequel trilogies. Time has ultimately vindicated the prequel trilogy (even tho it obviously still has its haters), and time will inevitably, if not gradually, vindicate the sequel trilogy for a lot of people.

  • @leannaconda5859
    @leannaconda5859 2 роки тому +59

    "When is a time where failure is not an option, even though you're terrified?"
    Hands down, raising my kids. From the first day, it scared the hell outta me to be a mom. I couldn't sleep in the hospital room with my new baby, because I was so afraid for him. But it has shown me a strength I never in a million years would've known that I had!

    • @Mindseas
      @Mindseas 2 роки тому +1

      You learn to accept failure and move on ;)

    • @leannaconda5859
      @leannaconda5859 2 роки тому +1

      @@Mindseas haha getting there!

    • @RizztrainingOrder
      @RizztrainingOrder 2 роки тому +5

      Spot on, you can usually tell what kind of parent your going to be the first night your baby entered the world. some feel indifference, but fortunately You had the desired reaction. Tread carefully because too much fear, care or concern with protecting can enter the territory of becoming over bearing, turning the parent into the dreaded overly protective helicopter parent. There is no manual, but from your comment it is evident that you are a great parent! I hope your journey is fulfilling, and I pray this message finds you well!

    • @leannaconda5859
      @leannaconda5859 2 роки тому +3

      @@RizztrainingOrder I appreciate that! I do the best that I can. It took a bit to adapt to the new role, but five years later, I am much more comfortable with it haha. I just think that first night it hit me like a ton of bricks that I was in charge of a little life. It was freaky.

    • @RizztrainingOrder
      @RizztrainingOrder 2 роки тому +1

      @@leannaconda5859 Agreed, years later and it still terrifies me.

  • @s_nappsi
    @s_nappsi Рік тому +71

    My boyfriend and I both have this fear that our relationship won't last or that something bad will happen or come between us. And while we both make efforts to quell each others fear, I've often told him that this fear is healthy because it will always make us appreciate each other more, make the effort. I'm terrified of the idea of losing him in any way, shape, or form but rather than it controlling me, I've allowed it to inspire me to be better and do right by him.

    • @nothing1080p
      @nothing1080p Рік тому +7

      You're boyfriend is a very lucky man.

    • @DuctTapePwnz
      @DuctTapePwnz 9 місяців тому +2

      Thank you for writing this comment. I really needed to hear this. I'm afraid that whoever i start a relationship with will not want to stick around, and i feel like that fear is unhealthy, but you just proved how fear can be used for good.

  • @10GrassyLane17
    @10GrassyLane17 2 роки тому +74

    I appreciate the mention of the greatness of Hans Zimmer! He's one of my favorite composers. He's one where, when you've watched one of his movies enough times, you can tell from the music what is happening. Great at creating themes. Prince of Egypt, The Lion King, Pirates of the Caribbean, and this trilogy along with many others. He tells a story with his filmscores.

    • @TheSuicune7
      @TheSuicune7 11 місяців тому

      Let’s not forget the masterpiece that is “Time”

  • @tajcee
    @tajcee 2 роки тому +71

    The Lazarus pit scene in The Dark Knight Rises is probably one of the more emotionally resonant scenes in the TDK trilogy. Whenever I find myself at a low point or doubting myself and needing inspiration, I always go back to this scene.

    • @skimbo120
      @skimbo120 7 місяців тому +1

      Oh…. My god. I am only just now realizing that the pit is Nolan’s interpretation of the Lazarus pit

  • @natsmith303
    @natsmith303 2 роки тому +108

    There's an episode of Doctor Who (titled Listen) that has a whole speech about the benefits of fear: "Fear is a superpower. Fear can make you faster, and cleverer, and stronger... Fear is like a companion. A constant companion, always there. But that's ok. Because fear can bring us together. Fear can bring you home... Fear makes companions of us all."

    • @bj.bruner
      @bj.bruner 2 роки тому +2

      What season was this one in? The title rings a bell, but I don't remember when it came out or who was the Doctor or anything like that 😅

    • @madee024
      @madee024 2 роки тому +2

      @@bj.bruner i think this is the episode where Clara meets a young doctor. Twelfth Doctor era.

    • @natsmith303
      @natsmith303 2 роки тому +4

      @@bj.bruner Series 8, Peter Capaldi.

    • @lkriticos7619
      @lkriticos7619 2 роки тому +2

      I still remember that episode so well. It was brilliant.

    • @spidermeg
      @spidermeg 2 роки тому +2

      Series 8, episode 4, "Listen". If you want to catch up on a great bit of television!

  • @SinHurr
    @SinHurr 2 роки тому +89

    Also worth mentioning, while Bruce fell into the well leading to the cave, Blake (Robin) comes in on a rope, the same way Thomas Wayne did... well vertically instead of horizontally but thematically the same.

  • @Arcon1ous
    @Arcon1ous 2 роки тому +45

    I rewatched this trilogy the other day, and it made me realize what was so wrong with so many of the dark and gritty superhero films that came after this(including batfleck), these movies take the time to earn the darkness they hold, they earn it. its not a shit world where everything sucks with no redeeming factors the whole time, they build up the tragedy, show him interacting with the people around them, in both helpful and sweet, and less helpful but well intentioned ways. and then when it starts going after the people that are causing the problems, and things hit the fan and its showing people suffering, it shows Batman using what people have taught him, and being kind to the people he's trying to protect.
    So many of them ignore that work and just cut to the grit, when it works so much better as a contrast to the themes and moments inside of it.

  • @biandito
    @biandito 2 роки тому +135

    fantastic content.
    I’ve been struggling and even shows/movies are bringing me anxiety lately. Not you guys. Very profound and mostly optimistic imputs.

  • @senor_clyde6214
    @senor_clyde6214 2 роки тому +61

    The final scene from Dark Knight that culminates with Gordon calling Batman the Dark Knight was the first time I’ve ever experienced a theater reaction of cheers.

    • @powerhardy1
      @powerhardy1 2 роки тому +5

      very underrated monologue

  • @hartattack2739
    @hartattack2739 2 роки тому +47

    This version of Batman is one of my favorite portrayals of any superhero. Killing someone is something that should never be done lightly. I have made the internal decision to only kill if I am defending my life, my family's lives and the lives of others and I appreciate that this batman has made that distinction

  • @ericthompson3982
    @ericthompson3982 2 роки тому +52

    What I love about the scene where he stands up in the middle of all those bats is that, even though he's just at the beginning of his journey and he's still only Bruce, you can *see* Batman.

  • @sblove86
    @sblove86 2 роки тому +19

    I relate to this episode. I’m TERRIFIED of heights and I recently went rip lining. I remember waiting in line looking down and trying to calm myself down. I was doing exposure therapy without knowing it! It was hard to step off that ledge but I did it and I felt very proud of myself!

  • @desmondscalaro3669
    @desmondscalaro3669 2 роки тому +10

    For me I think Batman the animated series gets both Batman and Bruce Wayne done right. Including, showing his integrity strengthened in the face of adversity

  • @b3rrylonn
    @b3rrylonn 2 роки тому +21

    The ending of the dark knight never fails to give me chills. It´s so beautiful.

  • @ashleynoelle7429
    @ashleynoelle7429 2 роки тому +57

    Thanks guys. I needed this. My brother loved Batman and I’m grieving his suicide. He was unreachable after the most recent traumatic events he suffered. Please keep reaching others to understand themselves so we don’t lose our lovable brothers and sisters.

    • @marieroberts5458
      @marieroberts5458 2 роки тому +9

      If it helps even a little, even from an Internet stranger...I'm sorry for your loss. Take your time in grieving, there is no timer or stopwatch, you are the clock and tell your own time, but don't forget to move forward as much as you are able, when you are able, so you can celebrate his life and memory.

    • @Kid_Spitfire
      @Kid_Spitfire 2 роки тому +4

      I'm so sorry for your loss, I lost someone too suicide as well, at the time I felt like I was in a dark and lonely place but I eventually found that at the end of that long dark tunnel there's light found in those you love who understand your pain and pull you out of that lonely place, so each day slowly little by little we can keep moving forward and live the life our lost Loved one's would want us to have.

    • @danielfernandez0058
      @danielfernandez0058 2 роки тому +4

      Sorry for your loss. Thank you for opening up about your emotions. I wish you good health and that you find your path despite the challenges that it brings

    • @chrishughes3405
      @chrishughes3405 2 роки тому +4

      Hoping you get through to brighter days. Hold on and they will come.

    • @RizztrainingOrder
      @RizztrainingOrder 2 роки тому +2

      Sorry for the loss you experienced. Family, friends, or acquaintances unfortunately cannot be saved by us. They cannot be changed unless they themselves truly want it. Best we can do is be available when needed or necessary to support them the best that we can. I pray this message finds you well!

  • @toganium4175
    @toganium4175 2 роки тому +113

    Batman: The Animated Series constantly explores the psychology of its characters. I highly recommend you watch it.

    • @Firegen1
      @Firegen1 2 роки тому +5

      They are both big fans. I think they have mentioned the series at least twice in other videos

    • @CinemaTherapyShow
      @CinemaTherapyShow  2 роки тому +60

      We both grew up on Bat: TAS. HUGELY informative show for both of us! _Love_ it!

    • @hannahbrennan2131
      @hannahbrennan2131 2 роки тому +13

      Best version of Batman. That's not just my opinion, that's a fact.

    • @ascendingGhost2501
      @ascendingGhost2501 2 роки тому +13

      Yes, I would like to see their take on Batman Mask of the Phantasm, were Bruce hangs up the cape because he's found happiness and what drives him back

    • @BookwormBelle1191
      @BookwormBelle1191 2 роки тому +13

      @@ascendingGhost2501 Mask of the Phantasm is an excellent movie, not just as a Batman movie and it's so good to see it getting more recognition over the years.
      Also Batman: The Animated Series has my favourite version of Batman, he's a badass but he does have moments of being a normal man, shows his compassion and protective nature especially if kids are in trouble

  • @mtbrdly
    @mtbrdly Рік тому +13

    Undoubtedly the best superhero trilogy and still the best Batman. Incredible films.

  • @AstraIVagabond
    @AstraIVagabond 2 роки тому +63

    Best of all: be like Matt Reeves.
    I can’t wait to see y’all cover _The Batman._ It struck a beautiful balance between realism and gothic fantasy, exploring Bruce’s trauma with an intensity beyond the Nolan films and a purpose beyond what Snyder was capable of.
    I shared your fears about it going off the trailers, and honestly went in with struggling expectations. It ended up saving my love of Batman, rekindling a classic fictional fixation. I’m sure it’ll give you much to talk about as well!

    • @laray6117
      @laray6117 2 роки тому +11

      Yes and the scene at the end when batman is helping all the people at daylight is so powerful

    • @itzsamic
      @itzsamic Рік тому

      what were their/your fears?

    • @itzsamic
      @itzsamic Рік тому

      @@Ojas97 This critique is awful lmfao

    • @itzsamic
      @itzsamic 11 місяців тому

      @@Ojas97 this comment is also terrible bro cmon you gotta craft your arguments better

    • @itzsamic
      @itzsamic 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Ojas97 says the guy who replied a month later lol. You don’t have any points either. It’s just vague and inequivalent comparisons

  • @npcimknot958
    @npcimknot958 2 роки тому +89

    also, if you notice in that “executioner scene” bruce doesn’t even go for the knife and then say it, he stands by his morals and principals, and i think what rachel said to him really is a catalyst. it anchors his core value -which he almost compromised when he was in revenge mode o. the guy that killed his parents.

  • @daniellemusella1594
    @daniellemusella1594 2 роки тому +26

    1] What I love about THIS Batman and THIS Joker is how they are perfect inverses of each other, who both practice what they preach. Joker believes that any random guy on the street would be perfectly willing to throw someone else under a bus, in order to save his own skin, and he lives that philosophy. Bruce, however, gladly throws HIMSELF under that proverbial bus to save countless other people. You two are absolutely right in saying it's selfLESS vs. selfISH.
    2] "You don't think I'd risk losing the battle for Gotham's soul in a fist-fight with you. You need an ace in the hole." That moment was a clear reference to many incidents of certain people, who profess to believe and live out a very clear set of morals, only to be exposed for being the opposite and knocked down from their pedestal later on.
    3] My two favorite lines in the entire trilogy:
    "People need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy."
    "Madness, as you know, is like gravity. All it takes is a little push."
    4] There's a FANTASTIC History Channel documentary that, if neither of you have seen yet, you absolutely should. A couple of channels here on UA-cam feature it: "Batman Unmasked: The Psychology of the Dark Knight". The only difference is that it was made back around the time that "The Dark Knight" came out, so you won't see any of "D.K.R." (2/22/2022)

  • @zzzinzyistired
    @zzzinzyistired 2 роки тому +59

    i like this version of Batman much better. the new versions of Batman, bloody and sadistic, isn’t the Batman i grew up with. the Batman i grew up with was dark, sure. a bit brooding, why not? but under it all, he would do anything for gothem, and upholds his integrity; refuing to be the executioner.

  • @humane.t.709
    @humane.t.709 2 роки тому +10

    A movie isn't complete until you have made an episode of it.
    Thank you for another inspiring episode!

  • @James-ju1wb
    @James-ju1wb 2 роки тому +9

    There's a good chance that when I thought I was going through PTSD, it was complicated grieving. The VA never mentioned it, this is the first time I'm hearing of it. Their solution was to put me on anti-depressants and call it a day. But this has been a fascinating video and I appreciate both of you (and your editors) for making it. THANK YOU!

  • @ik7968
    @ik7968 2 роки тому +16

    Ironically this is like the only episode where neither Alan nor Jonathan cried and for me, all it takes to well up is hearing the Hans Zimmer score again. The story of Batman in Nolan's films is the story of doing good despite dealing with intense fear, trauma and grief and it's so inspiring and touching to me. I think this film version of Batman is really about being a decent human being despite constantly falling and I love it.

  • @jameswest6232
    @jameswest6232 2 роки тому +92

    Out of curiosity, would Snape count as having PCBD, too? I mean, he's basically the personification of "not letting it go" and was still grieving over Lily by book 7.

    • @rrraven369
      @rrraven369 2 роки тому +7

      I'm curious about this too but it probably can't be talked about here because there was so little about that subject in the movies. Snape was just used as a plot device anyway.

    • @Duiker36
      @Duiker36 2 роки тому +2

      I think Snape would count, yes. How many friends did he have, after all?

  • @smrttgrl
    @smrttgrl 2 роки тому +17

    One of the lines in film I remember the most is that whisper "Why do we fall?" To me it was so inspiring.

  • @imanassole9421
    @imanassole9421 11 місяців тому +4

    I remember seeing TDK the day it came out. That ending with Gordon's narration just gave me chills because of how good it was.

  • @jaguarrose7022
    @jaguarrose7022 2 роки тому +9

    I didn't appreciate Batman Begins until AFTER I watched The Dark Knight. I went back and watched Batman Begins and I enjoyed it so much more. And then Dark Knight Rises rounded out a near perfect trilogy. Loved it!

  • @lywarn333
    @lywarn333 2 роки тому +47

    I love Hans Zimmer! He is a musical genius. His work with Interstellar is phenomenal. I would love to see both of your take on the movie. Especially, Alan's take on the music. There are some clips where Hans explained his process with the movie. He said that he was told the plot was about the relationship between a father and child and worked from there.

    • @RizztrainingOrder
      @RizztrainingOrder 2 роки тому +4

      Couldn’t agree more, some composers focus on simple leitmotifs which make it easy to remember or hum, undoubtedly enjoyable but Zimmer is different, his scores focus on the emotional environment somehow illustrating the characters inner thoughts and beliefs through musical composition. Perhaps not as easy to remember or hum but is sheer joy to experience!

  • @adaydream5052
    @adaydream5052 2 роки тому +64

    Honestly, I was having such an emotional rollercoaster of a day and when I saw you posted I almost cried- your videos seriously make me so happy❤️

  • @ohdrey89
    @ohdrey89 2 роки тому +36

    This is why I love our cinema dads, I actually loved this trilogy and just realized how cool the first movie was thanks to y’all, thinking about the juxtaposition of how Scarecrow uses fear and how Batman uses fear. The realization just hit me like woah, so cool! Thanks cinema dads!

    • @ohdrey89
      @ohdrey89 2 роки тому +1

      Also, snaps for Gary Oldman my favorite Commissioner Gordon ever.

  • @ScrapKing73
    @ScrapKing73 11 місяців тому +3

    I’d love a Cinema Theory video on “Batman: Mask of the Phantasm”, one of the best theatrically released Batman films ever made! The scene where Bruce has found happiness, and goes to his mom and dad’s grave to apologize to them for it, gets me every time.

  • @Hayden_Lummus
    @Hayden_Lummus 2 роки тому +26

    You both should definitely cover Matt Reeves’ The Batman! It’s such a well told story both from a filmmaking standpoint as well as a psychological thriller because of how much of a character study of the Batman it is. Also it does one of my favorite things, showing why throwing money at the problem wouldn’t work when that’s what was done in the past by Bruce’s parents and the mafia of Gotham, Falcone in particular, took advantage of that and further enriched himself and further secured his stranglehold over the city of Gotham through all the corruption, while those who needed financial aid in the city were left to suffer and were left believing the false promises of the rich.

  • @memorexdrc
    @memorexdrc 2 роки тому +140

    I'm so glad you guys are doing an episode of this trilogy! Batman is my most favorite hero, the DK trilogy is my favorite few Batman movies, and I love the deep dives you do to examine a character's psychology. This is the perfect way to start my day :)

    • @yoitwasntme
      @yoitwasntme 2 роки тому +2

      Same. I cannot tell you how loudly I gasped when I saw this was posted. Or how happy I was when I realized it’s 40 mins.

  • @CJRaelion
    @CJRaelion 2 роки тому +89

    ¾ hour of Cinema Therapy? About Batman? HELL YEAH; this trilogy sure is amazing, especially the first two and thematically you're right, all of them are! Going to enjoy the rest of the video now. I love what you two do and often it really helps me, in a way, to also grow as a person. At least I feel so. Keep doing this!
    Cheerio

  • @matityaloran9157
    @matityaloran9157 2 роки тому +25

    26:01, this isn’t foreshadowing though it might be symbolism. But the guy on the prisoner’s boat who threw away the button told his captor to hand it to him to keep his own hands clean and offered to claim to have taken the button by force. When the captor handed the button to the criminal, the criminal threw the button out of the window. The idea appears to be that an outlaw letting people think he’s evil when he’s not enables him to do great good

  • @kgeegan6
    @kgeegan6 Рік тому +4

    I'll always deeply appreciate that Nolan gave his Batman a happy end to his story. I think it helps complement the overall theme of hope and allowing for people to see that sadness and trauma don't negate the possibility of future happiness, no matter how impossible it may seem.

  • @bspi624
    @bspi624 2 роки тому +46

    31:00 As a retired Officer, and veteran this episode really hit home when you discussed being the one to be hated. And, having to be okay with it.

  • @The_Phantasm
    @The_Phantasm 2 роки тому +88

    Other than Christian Bale's Batman voice I think the Dark Knight is pretty much perfect, although Mask of the Phantasm is still my favourite Batman movie. As for Batman Begins, one issue I have with it is Ra's al Ghul not being Arabic as he is described in the comics. Also, the name Ra's al Ghul is Arabic for "The Demon's Head". The Arabic pronunciation for the first syllable is "Rah-us". The character's creator however chose to use the Hebrew pronunciation "Raysh" which is he one most commonly associated with comic book fans.

    • @cwatkins7749
      @cwatkins7749 2 роки тому +20

      This! My main criticism of the Nolan films was whitewashing characters because they did it to Bane as well

    • @The_Phantasm
      @The_Phantasm 2 роки тому +6

      @bo rick Discrimination of any kind is not tolerated.

    • @theyonlycomeoutwhenitsquiet
      @theyonlycomeoutwhenitsquiet 2 роки тому +4

      I also wish he had been Arab. But given the choice they made, they did well with it.

    • @2Ten1Ryu
      @2Ten1Ryu 2 роки тому +12

      Maybe they whitewashed the characters because having the head of a secret organization and basically a terrorist be someone Arabic, wouldn't have been a good look either... not sure though. Just a suggestion.

    • @taylorpack1120
      @taylorpack1120 2 роки тому +16

      That is a fair point. With these movies coming out so close after 9/11 and the strong anti-terrorism themes in this movie, it may have struck too close to home. Besides that, after 9/11, there were strong anti-Arab and anti-Islam sentiments in the US, which could have been exacerbated by casting a person of Arabic descent as a major villain in a movie like this, causing additional persecution for innocent people of Arabic descent.

  • @morganelliott1484
    @morganelliott1484 2 роки тому +15

    I have a fear of heights and falling and that’s honestly kept me from wanting to try several things especially as a kid-for instance I didn’t truly learn to ride a bike until I was 19. A year ago I started rock climbing and that has challenged me to battle that fear a lot and learn safety and to trust my own ability and the equipment I’m using. I remember being stuck at the top of a route for 4 solid minutes and now I have no problems letting go of the wall. Started slow, had to keep reminding myself I have equipment, I won’t get hurt. I’m still working on bouldering (very short routes with no rope) it’s been a very cool journey! Fear keeps you safe and helps you be in tune with your body

  • @cherrysweet247
    @cherrysweet247 2 роки тому +4

    “Why do we fall?” Is my absolute favourite inspirational video to listen to whenever I’m down in the dumps and aren’t sure if I’m strong enough to pursue my goals

  • @grantgilbert2822
    @grantgilbert2822 2 роки тому +6

    I love seeing Alan’s dreams verbalized on film. Strive towards greatness. You will make that film if you truly want to make ‘that’ film.
    I love how Christian Bale’s version of Batman takes the fear back and externalizes it for his own success.
    I hate that you guys make me tear up with your commentary on the freaking Batman movies!
    “I love being terrible,it’s easy” Alan Seawright, TM. I love your personality more and more Alan. Keep being you, I mean it

  • @pawacoteng
    @pawacoteng 11 місяців тому +1

    You guys finally redeemed the Dark Knight Rises for me. That theme, of how Batman overcame his biggest enemy which was complicated grief, was lost on me all these years. How a happy ending was the biggest flex is so true. You guys have become one of my favorites on youtube.

  • @bradleyscheer3831
    @bradleyscheer3831 2 роки тому +53

    I've been following the channel for a while now. Honestly waiting for the coverage of this story. The meanings behind this trilogy are what have inspired me and keep me going most days. I'm thrilled to enjoy the breakdown from one of my favorite channels over the last year. Thank you both for what you do and being the dark knights of my journey so far.

  • @bradiedean7466
    @bradiedean7466 2 роки тому +23

    I loved hearing y'all talk about one of my favorite parts of Batman: he genuinely loves and believes in the people of Gotham. He believes most people are good and he believes people can change (hence the no kill rule). I'd love to see you do something with the Under the Red Hood movie, especially that end conversation scene between Batman and Red Hood

  • @dkapirate4607
    @dkapirate4607 2 роки тому +11

    I love how in "The Dark Knight Rises" when Bruce is approaching the jump without the rope, he gets spooked by a bunch of bats. I think this is symbolic of him gaining the fear he needs to make the needed jump.

  • @TheHobGrublin
    @TheHobGrublin Рік тому +6

    10:10 One of my favorite quotes of all time from Peter Capaldi's doctor who . "Fear is a super power!"

  • @redreaper2752
    @redreaper2752 2 роки тому +6

    At the time I didn’t know the actor playing Bane but just the way they filmed his scenes, especially against Batman, I totally believed he was this huge guy that Bruce didn’t have a chance of beating. The camera angles made Tom look at least a foot taller, especially when watching for the first time.

  • @evergreeneyes9118
    @evergreeneyes9118 2 роки тому +36

    This is one of the stories I needed in my life. I was so afraid of life and its elements, I channeled the fear into going forward. Its also something I learned as a child on stage, use the restlessness and nerves to fuel your performance. Before you know it, you're killing it 😊

  • @elfteiroh
    @elfteiroh 2 роки тому +25

    A Nightwing sequel would have been great, but it would have to fight against the incredibly high expectations we all have, because I certainly have a whole bunch of possible Nightwing trilogies in my mind from that last scene, and there’s certainly a big number of people that have entirely different ones.
    But I always was sad that they never tried. Or used it to start a good DC cinematic universe that put as much thought and getting the characters as right as here.

  • @Fullmetal1890P
    @Fullmetal1890P 2 роки тому +25

    I am SO glad you guys mention chiroptophobia in this video because I am one of the only people that I know who suffers from it (besides my family, and Batman). The reason that I have such a crippling fear of bats is because the house I grew up in was infested with them. Since I was very little, bats would climb through our ceiling and walls and fly around. I've had bats in my hair, on my face, flying after me while I ran in terror, and my dad wasn't able to fully bat-proof the house until I was a teenager with this hellish phobia (as does a lot of my family). The thing is, though, that I love bats. I do, I think they are wonderful animals and are very good for the environment, but anytime I see them flying (or anything flapping), I start hyperventilating and shaking. In fact, it used to be so bad that I couldn't even *look* at pictures of bats without having a panic attack. So, I started googling bats, and I came across a video by a renowned bat sanctuary in which they rehabilitate a baby bat. For the first time in my life, I could watch a bat and *not* be afraid, because it was honestly so cute. They had to feed him with a bottle (because bats are mammals), clean his face, and teach him to fly. After that, I started keeping up with all of the bat sanctuary videos and put them on my social media so that I would regularly be exposed to bats in positive ways so that I became comfortable with it. I'm definitely not over my chiroptophobia and the CPTSD is still there, but I can at *least* say that I can look at and watch videos of bats, as well as study more about them (which is more than I've ever done). I'd really like to, one day, be able to go into a bat sanctuary and meet a bat in a safe environment. I really feel like I need to have better experiences with bats.

    • @helenl3193
      @helenl3193 2 роки тому +2

      I have no relevant qualifications or professional experience to speak from, but this sounds like an incredible improvement that you've managed on your own. Serious kudos to you for that! Congratulations on getting this far, and good luck in progressing further. I hope there's a way to make your goal come true at a bat sanctuary. There's probably some way to pay to meet/feed one, I know a lot of zoos do stuff like that now, where it's fully safe for all involved and doesn't stress out the animals anymore than the usual keepers doing the same thing.
      Best of luck with it, and well done again! :)

  • @nathanholliday5317
    @nathanholliday5317 2 роки тому +2

    The Bat symbol made out of flame on the side of the skyscraper is the single greatest symbol of hope ever put in a movie. The Zimmer score as the disheartened policeman looks up to see the symbol of their hero plastered in flame burning bright high in the sky in the very moment all hope seems lost. I love it. It’s beautiful!

  • @mr.stuffdoer8483
    @mr.stuffdoer8483 2 роки тому +5

    “The third one is narratively flawed, but thematically amazing.”
    Oh my god, thank you, felt like I was going insane.

  • @blindbandit6802
    @blindbandit6802 2 роки тому +20

    I was lying down watching this. Then when you guys started listing all the issues Bruce Wayne has, I sat up and whispered to myself "Holy crap, I'm Batman". Probably the first time I haven't been happy about the prospect of being Batman

  • @bonniefoley387
    @bonniefoley387 2 роки тому +6

    I always tell people that Christian Bale will always be the best version of Batman and they look at me like I Have 3 heads. Thank you for Making me feel not so crazy for loving this trilogy so much.

  • @3Rayfire
    @3Rayfire 2 роки тому +8

    Also shout out to Nolan go all in on visual callbacks, the hole in the Pit looking almost identical to the well Bruce fell into was magnificent.

  • @StudMacher78
    @StudMacher78 2 роки тому +4

    I don’t know why but Batman Begins and the Dark Knight Rises just hit so much more emotionally

  • @boopsnoot2807
    @boopsnoot2807 2 роки тому +15

    Batman is not a violent bruiser, he is a the living embodiment of Justice. Nolan’s Batman captures that best. And that’s why these movies will always be revered by so many people.

  • @CortexNewsService
    @CortexNewsService 2 роки тому +63

    I actually kind of understood how Batfleck was more murdery. His intro in that movie is seeing Metropolis destroyed and has had additional losses of people he cared about. I can actually see the trauma of that pushing him to go further. He's getting increasingly desperate in his own city and just saw two gods destroy the neighboring city. He actually starts to move back toward the no kill after all that stuff with Superman.

    • @mongooseunleashed
      @mongooseunleashed 2 роки тому +18

      The problem with that is Batman has been murdering people for YEARS. Yet he gets upset with Superman's collateral damage while he's saving the world. It's kinda hypocritical.

    • @Spidey-bj6xd
      @Spidey-bj6xd 2 роки тому +4

      @@mongooseunleashed Here's where I disagree, respectively. Apparently BvS Batman hasn't killed anyone during his 20yrs of crime fighting. Even after Joker murdered Robin, presumably Dick Grayson: the 1st Robin from the comics, Batman hasn't killed anyone. Until when Superman showed up, he was faced with a choice, either kill Superman or presumably let him stay until he eventually becomes a villan. And Bruce made the choice to kill Superman based on the fact that he spent 20yrs fighting crime and he saw alot of good people turning bad like Harvy Dent and so on. Until the Martha moment when Lois said that it was his mother's name that he realized that he was wrong about Superman.

    • @mongooseunleashed
      @mongooseunleashed 2 роки тому +3

      @@Spidey-bj6xd Your explanation makes even less sense. Based on what you said, Batman went crazy from Superman and went on a murder spree.

    • @Spidey-bj6xd
      @Spidey-bj6xd 2 роки тому +1

      @@mongooseunleashed Well if you watched the movie and paid close attention he only brands them. And also he doesn't care if they get thrown to prison only to die. The rest that he murderd were casualties of getting in the way of what he wants which was made evident during the Batmobile chase scene and saving Martha scene. Yes he did murder some them. There is no questioning that. But he did eventually realize that he was wrong in killing criminals and causing the Death of Superman.

    • @mongooseunleashed
      @mongooseunleashed 2 роки тому +1

      @@Spidey-bj6xd If you watched the movie and paid close attention they hint that Batman has lost his way several times before revealing he has been killing criminals. It's implied he's been doing it for awhile. That's where the branding even started.

  • @LittleHobbit13
    @LittleHobbit13 2 роки тому +17

    There's a great episode of Star Trek: Voyager -- S2E23 "The Thaw" -- that deals with the concept of fear.
    Janeway has a few really good quotes that feel very in line with Jono's take on it:
    _"I've known fear. It's a very healthy thing, most of the time. [It] warn us of danger, remind us of our limits, protect us from carelessness. I've learned to trust fear."_
    _"The ability to recognize danger, to fight it or run away from it, that's what fear gives us, but -- when fear holds you hostage -- how do you make it let go?"_
    _"You know as well as I do that fear only exists for one purpose: to be conquered."_

    • @peregry
      @peregry 2 роки тому +1

      "I'm afraid."
      "I know."

  • @darlalathan6143
    @darlalathan6143 2 роки тому +9

    I love all versions of Batman, but the Dark Knight Trilogy are my favorite Batman movies. You're right about most movie Batmen being too "sadistic and murder-y," lol. I understood it as more "realistic," until I saw "Batman Begins." "I will not be an executioner" showed Bruce's natural squeamishness and conscience. The boat commuters vs. convict's scene showed both sides refusing to kill each other, for the same reasons. Both were realistic psychologically, since they explained why most of us aren't vigilantes. I used to be afraid of bats, until my roommates assured me, they only ate mosquitoes and never attacked humans. We couldn't see them, because the back yard was pitch dark, but we heard the flapping wings and squeaking all around us as we skinny-dipped in the pool. They came from an abandoned house, next door. My karate training, stun gun and pepper spray helped me overcome my fear of crime, especially when I scared off gay bashers several times in my first year of transition, after coming out of the closet as transgender. During my second year, I scared my abusive narcissist boyfriend out of attacking me, so I never got battered as his ex-wives did during his previous marriages. I evicted him after the third year.

  • @scottibrown3274
    @scottibrown3274 3 місяці тому

    I’ve done exposure therapy with my dogs. Our two females, Lilly and Ginger, each had something that we (myself, my mom, and stepdad) helped them overcome since they were both rescues from the street.
    Lilly was terrified of feet. When we would step near her stomach she would cry out as if we had kicked her; this gave us the idea that maybe her previous owners were abusive. What we did was while Lilly was lying near our feet, we started slowly like rubbing her stomach with our toes to show her that we weren’t going to kick her.
    Ginger hated a collar and leash; her precious owners while they weren’t abusive weren’t exactly good people. We noticed that she was a little timid when you patted her sides but that was easy to fix. What we did first with the collar was we left it in a cinder block for her to walk past and sniff, before eventually putting it on. When we got the collar on her, while she was in the house, we would put the leash on her and let her walk around with it. At first she would hide as soon as we put the leash on her but once she started walking around with it, it was all good.
    I know exposure therapy with dogs is not the same as exposure therapy for humans but hey the end goal is the same.