Cinema Therapy: Is THE MATRIX TRILOGY a Philosophy 210 course?
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- Опубліковано 9 гру 2021
- How can you find purpose and direction for your life? How can the choices you make help you find purpose and meaning?
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright dive down the rabbit hole of the Matrix trilogy. They discuss the impacts of nature vs nurture on our lives, how we can learn and progress in whatever circumstances we face or whatever our past looks like. And also how utterly cool some of the action scenes are, Neo as a Christ allegory, and how the Wachowskis always crank it up to 11.
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Written by: Megan Seawright, Jonathan Decker and Alan Seawright
Produced by: Jonathan Decker, Megan Seawright & Alan Seawright
Edited by: Trevor Horton, tzhediting.com
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English Transcription by: Anna Preis - Фільми й анімація
At this point I think Jonathan and Alan are using the channel as an excuse to watch their favorite movies. And I'm here for it!
You caught us! 😉 (well... except for Twilight.)
@@CinemaTherapyShow I think u deserve to watch ur favorite movies after twilight. 😂
@@CinemaTherapyShow Twilight can be your favorite movie to make fun of😂
@@CinemaTherapyShow Twilight is ridicule porn.
@@CinemaTherapyShow I won't believe that caveat until you do an episode on The Room XD
As a survivor of addiction, I've learned that the things that happen to you may not always be your fault, but they are your responsibility.
Personal responsibility is a troupe straight out of reganomics. Not that is is not true, it is not an absolution. It is pathologically wrong to imagine that you are nothing but choice to be responsible for. As if you can always see and understand how and why you make choices when you are even aware that you are making them. This is a big oversimplification of life for humans.and a misleading one. The therapist os out of his depth here. Despite sounding good. Addiction is never a choice according to the research literature. It is a disease. Like choosing cancer or diabetes. And well how did they get those. Some might say lack of taking care of oneself. Well how does that happen? People dont behave the way the do simply because of choices. Things are far more complex. Far far more. Everything from social constructs to culture to stress to access to awarness and education to epi genetics to hormones to many things
@@michaelweil5192 I agree, I'm not saying people act alone. I have severe diabetes and pancreatitis, genetically from my parents. I have had the pancreas of a 60 year old lifelong alcoholic without ever having so much as a sip, and I've been dealing with this for 10 years. It's still part of my responsibility to at least try to make do with what I can. Of course there's outside factors I can't control that can make it easier or more difficult.
As far as my addiction, because I was in so much pain due to complications from my genetic diseases, that I was admitted to the hospital for 6 months and was given Dialaudid every 4 hours the entire time. Then when they let me out, no rehab. Had to take care of that myself. And that took a lot of heartache and time.
So I know what you mean by things out of your control. Addiction IS a disease.
However, a big part of me had to WANT TO. A big part of getting help is wanting to, and outside forces making it easier for you to do so. Institutions should make it easier.
I didn't have the money for people to throw me in rehab. I had to do that myself at home, and with the help of family support of course. So, yes, things are complicated.
@@michaelweil5192 I used to bristle at the word responsibility as well, for all the reasons you've stated; but when I saw the word as "ability to respond," that was my first step in the direction of reclaiming my agency. That does not deny the impact of structural realitties and histories; AND it does bring one back to the their own sense of empowerment around how or what we chose to navigate/do with the choices that exist right here and right now in our context.
@@sandrallewellyn2632 i am not bristling at the word...the notions that people operate off of are non scientific. They are opinion pieces. My while point is that science has already helped us to understand these issues. And it get ignored. Because narratives and feelings about ability and attitude are effective tools to not look at broader sociological problems as the root of many social behaviors that impact biology and genetics expression. Everything gets reduced to an individuals problem in our individualistic society. Focus on recycling, which was a lie, for our pollution problem. A lie promoted by oil companies to prevent the public from addressing the problem in over use of fossil fuels. We have to know history many different scientific disciplines and how they apply to large systems. There is no need for the guess work anymore. It is getting stupid.
@@sandrallewellyn2632 at that point you’re just making new definitions for existing words
A therapist and a film maker talking about philosophy. So well done.
Thank you!
I always thought that therapy and philosophy go hand in hand with each other. This episode is proof of that.
Bro how, double degree? I wish, I wish. Keep up the good work👏🏾
@@CinemaTherapyShow 21:21 i saw your little binary message in transcripts
@@UrmanitaRules check out these binary messages in transcripts
“You’re waiting on people who hurt you to make your life better.”
I started watching this channel because I love looking through this lens when it comes to cinema. But that line…that hit me like a metric ton of bricks. I almost started crying right then and there when I heard it.
I’ve never thought of myself as a person who plays the victim, and I still don’t, but that statement really woke me up to the idea I was waiting on something completely unattainable and also unrealistic. As hard as it is to swallow, its also such a simple way of giving a blinding sense of clarity.
Thanks Cinema Therapy. You affect a positive change Far more than you might realize.
Alan mentions something similar in their video on Turning Red, but the end of that movie is cathartic because like Alan with his mom, my dad has done shit that hurt me-messed me up as a person. For so many years I thought "one day we're gonna talk and he's gonna recognize what he did and he's gonna apologize and then I'll be okay." Except that's not gonna happen.
I've spent so long waiting for him to make things right when I could have been rebuilding myself.
@@faffywhosmilesatdeath5953 For Real. 100%. I have a similar issue with my mom. She really did do the best she could, but unfortunately her best was corrupted and extremely toxic. And its not her fault, and I have spent So Many Years waiting for her to wake up and realize this. But that is Never going to happen. I’ve spent the better part of the last year Really accepting this. And believe me, it still hurts. But understanding the situation does help to be honest. I don’t know if that makes it easier, necessarily, but for me, it does at least a little bit. Not every day, not all the time, but it is helpful to have context.
@@anjelica948 Absolutely. My dad was caught up in all this toxic perfectionism (hey, something else CT covered with Encanto). My dad actually reached out to me and I almost eagerly agreed to talk to him again. As I started to think about the situation and what he said in his message I realized something: he didn't want to apologize because he felt guilty. He wanted to apologize because he had a close brush with death and now he's scared of standing in front of St. Peter without making things right. It pissed me off when I realized that he even managed to make apologizing for the ways he hurt me a selfish act. So I never followed up on our plans. Not for years.
Me personally? I recommend you get a little of that artistic catharsis that Alan got from Turning Red. The movie is great fun and if nothing else watching Cinema Therapy's episode on it will let you have a little cry with Alan 🤍♥️
I watched this after leaving a cult along with my husband, we watched this alongside The Truman Show and they both hit SO hard now that we can watch them from the perspective of people who were "in" (the Matrix/Seahaven) and also from people who are now out.
Happy y’all are out ^^
@@laiainautumn-1252 thank you! It's great here in the real world!
Woah! Awesome to hear
I'm glad you're out and hope you're both doing well. I had the other perspective since I wasn't raised with or in any faith. Though I still don't have a belief system most of my favorite shows and movies are about the push and pull of freewill vs control and good vs evil. If you enjoy that type of thing as well and like it TV level spooky I suggest the show Evil. I think the first season is on Netflix but those and the new ones are on Paramount+.
May I ask what cult you were a part of?
I was watching it with subtitles and a bunch of binary code appeared in 21:21 I paused the video and took time to decipher it and it translated it. It goes to their website, it's an easter egg that includes a limited edition matrix t-shirt, that's awesome!!
Thank you for choosing to go down that little rabbit hole. Hope you had fun 😊
@@asvpreis My vision was blurry halfway through but it was worth it!
I saw that but didn't know it was all that! Cool!
God I love these guys and this channel!
I found it too! So glad I discovered it before I found this comment. Love this community! 🥰
I had a philosophy professor (who I constantly debated) that was a determinist, and explained his reasons for it much like this. The idea of life, and choices being arbitrary frightened him.
My response was practical: “We have to act like we’re responsible for our own choices. Otherwise nothing will ever improve.”
I was one of his favorite students.
Man I wish I had kill philosophy professor. My high school philosophy was way cooler
Free will is an illusion. You think you are making a choice and feel you are but you're not.
I think determinism is just higher power religion for atheists/highly educated people. It’s really easy to make excuses for our actions if they were predetermined for us. People want order but nature is chaos and people don’t like it when they don’t get their way. Our life is just a string of coincidences that we try to make sense of.
Between stimulus and response is CHOICE ...thank you for that reminder and for such an enlightening discussion
I personally believe that there are only 3 possibilities. Either God doesn’t exist, and therefore free will can’t exist because we’re only chemically evolved animals, or God does exist and either we have free will, God controls everything and we don’t, or a mix of the two.
I believe in God, and in Jesus Christ as the messiah. I believe He is sovereign but allows us free will and enacts His will as He chooses. So I believe in God and that it’s a mix of free will and choices and certain things God does control.
"If it's someone else's fault, it's someone else's world."
Hell of a great episode, gents!
And what is that statement is true? Not liking a situation or reality being unfavorable does not equivocat truth
@@michaelweil5192 Because you're giving them the power and you are just the bystander of your own story. If somebody did something to you, it could be the story of how you ran away, fought back, adapted, overcome. Or it could be the story of they had to make it up to you and you were just the damsel in distress.
@@wesleywallace4426 My one gripe with this episode of Cinema Therapy is that they put very little light on Oracle's beliefs. I can't really explain it well, but the issue is that determinism isn't necessarily the opposite of free will like most people act like it is. Determinism says that if you knew everything in one moment, you could calculate everything in the next, and therefore see the future itself.
A choice you make is one that could be predicted, because it would always be the choice you'd make before you even made the choice, but it is still YOUR choice. You chose the choice, the connection of that choice to you doesn't change depending on whether it could be predicted or not.
Neo thinks and wants to prove determinism doesn't exist, but can't figure out what to do to prove it because anything he would do would be predetermined. Most of the machines think and try to point out to the humans that choices don't exist, because you would always make that choice regardless of what you wanted to do. The Oracle(and a very select number of different forms of media, alongside me) posits that it's irrelevant if your choice can be predicted because you still made that choice. You decided on what you wanted most.
One other thing I noticed is that the Oracle is the only person that remained secure in her philosophy throughout the movies. Neo gets frustrated when machines predict his choices and try to act unpredictably. Machines, like Smith, are constantly frustrated with how Neo and the humans make objectively illogical choices and try to understand why they make them. The Oracle is just chill and responds calmly to everyone, because her views are compatible with the arguments of both sides.
@@cetomedoWhich is precisely the opposite of free will, because free will states that any human being can make a decision that will drastically affect the future and that decision can only be made by that person, Irregardless of the circumstances of the conclusion.
@@yancywatts388 And that decision was, in fact, made by that person, irregardless of the circumstances of the conclusion.
The decision being one step in a cause and effect chain does not change the fact that had the decision not been made, or a different decision was made, that conclusion would not have happened. What I'm saying is positing that fate is compatible with free will not because of the nature of choices themselves, but because an individual is the macroscopic result of many different cause and effect chains.
Free will requires the ability to do something(which you've already denoted in the above comment), not the fact of being something. Fate requires the act of being something(aka being the result of a cause effect chain, capable of being recognized by a hypothetical and probably non-existant being with complete knowledge of a previous moment), not the ability to do something.
They're compatible because they require entirely seperate things to be real, despite seemingly being contradictory.
Of course, there's the argument that they're indirectly incompatible as the ability to do something can require the act of not being something(such as the ability to hold an object in your hand as a person without hands), but this particular act of being the result of a cause-effect chain being possible but not definite shows that both the non-cause-effect and cause-effect based people result in the same outward result of a person(similar to how cephalopods and humans have completely different genes for sight, but both have the ability to see through what is called a "camera-type eye".
2 things I gotta talk about with this:
I love the scenes with the Oracle so much, there's so much storytelling that is subtle and dense at the same time. In the first movie, her telling him he'll have to make a choice between his own life or Morpheus' is exactly a test of how much Neo really believes in fate. He's told - by a freaking ORACLE - that only 1of 2 things can happen, and that's it. It sets him up to either submit to fate, or decide his path, which he does, and that's what sets him apart. And she admits and expands on it the second movie, where she flat-out tells him he can believe what she says (submit to fate) or not (make his own choice). She's an ingenious character (all the programs are, really) and it pisses me off that I'll never write a character that good.
I wasted so much of my life, of potential contentedness waiting for the person who broke me to fix me. I believed if my father admitted what he'd done to me, admitted it was wrong, and apologized, then some magical button would be pressed and I'd suddenly be OK. It'd be like the climax of a Hallmark movie where we cry and hug and then finally get to be a real family. But he up and died instead. I spent years in an angry fog, haunting my own life, convinced I was stuck forever broken because he was no longer around to fix me, no longer around to put back all the pieces he took. It was a staggeringly scary choice to take responsibility for fixing myself, and it's been a bumpy road, but it's been the most necessary and freeing thing I've ever done. I no longer feel cheated out of a good life because I made my own life, my own worth, and he's the one who cheated himself out of ever getting to see it.
Yeah, I had to do the "eff you and your BS" to my abusive dad too. I was lucky(?!) and figured out by my 20s that he was never gonna even realize how flat-out cruel he'd been. So I started healing then. I hope you realize how much strength and power you have now, and I wish you all the best.
I just want to say that you're a great writer and I was very engaged reading what you wrote
I just read this in a moment after comforting my wife whose going through severe depression. Thank you.
It's really not your fault you waited for that to happen because society has beaten this into our heads through tv and movies. It's okay. You have discovered how to heal, and that is true freedom! No one gave that to you, you are making it happen for you! I waited on someone to 'wake up' and see what they had done and apologize, but now I make my own life happier without this ever happening. It didn't happen overnight, it has been 7 years of shifting my thinking, but I have never been as happy as I am now, for taking back my power.
as much as we need to count on others, conversely quite often you gotta go it alone.
you can wait for someone, and they might not come so its up to you.
16:55 The Oracle doesn’t say that Neo isn’t the One. He says it himself, and she just agrees.
”I’m not the One?”
”Sorry kid.”
And right before that she says that being the One is just like being in love. ”No one can tell you you’re in love, you just know it.”
Great stuff.
She even says he has the gift, but waiting for something. Or in other words, he isn't *currently* the one, but he could be if he chooses to.
@@AtomcsiKK Specifically she says "Another life, who knows." And then he died and became the one.
I always took it as you're not the one, yet.
@@moon83star30 Exactly everyone is just slaves to their environment and biology until they decide to embrace their ability to choose.
@@AtomcsiKK He isn't currently *choosing* to be the one. And to tie it together with "the sight", she can't see past this decision [of his] because she can't understand it. Or, she can, and she knows that answering his question of what he's waiting for with a direct answer would rob him of his sense of agency and independence and as a rebel, he would feel a need to reject being The One in order to avoid being controlled. (Just saw this video for the first time. I was going to say what @ulf101 said above.)
"Does free will exist, or are we all programmed by our biology and experience?"
I've always thought the answer to this question is yes. Both.
It is both. There are valid arguments to be made from both sides, therefore it is only logical to say that both sides are partially correct.
For example, a child raised to believe racist things will become a racist themselves. That is something that was programmed into them by their environment. They didn't choose it, it was forced upon them by their parents.
But, that child has the opportunity to *choose* to seek out truth and change their beliefs at any time. The fact that we can change our beliefs and our thoughts proves that we do in fact have at least some level of choice over our own lives, and we're not solely a product of our dna or environment.
Same here.
The UA-cam algorithm, on the other hand, is entirely determined by its designers and experience, so my adding a comment to this should hopefully make more people see this, but if it doesn't I can't blame the program.
I believe it's both as well. My interpretation is while any particular choice someone make is the result of the "programing" in their brain combined with past experience, that choice is also still their free will, since our mind (programing) is complex enough to self-rewrite to sometimes even completely different wiring.
@@henry_tsai it's complex systems. there are so many interacting parts of such variety many of which are complex systems themselves that it's impossible to perfectly predict. though everything on a macro scale is pretty much deterministic the wild differences that can occur from tiny changes means that acting as if you have free will is at least practical.
In psychology or theology many of the best either/or questions can be answered with "Yes".
When I was a kid all I got out of this movie was epic slow motion scenes and “Mister Anersonnn”. It’s cool to rewatch old movies and realize how much I missed. Any movie I watched under the age of 13 is just remembered as action scenes.
"This is how I am." Studying music is what made me really understand the flaws in that thought process.
Like, yes, this is what your voice sounds like. But when you take away the tension and give yourself proper support, and free yourself of habits that limit you, what you end up with is your voice. Your most free, most flexible, most you sound.
The point isn't to make you sound like your teacher or your favorite artist, the point is to find your unique voice.
Nature is the one that gave you the voice but it's up to you to decide to nurture it or not.
That's a brilliant comparison.
As someone who chose to break the cycle of abuse (abusive father who had an abusive mother who had an abusive stepfather and so on) it really does come down to choice and part of that is choosing not to carry the weight of generations of anger and pain onto the next generation.
Hugo Weaving is a freaking badass❤. Also love speech patterns for his characters and their vernacular.
In this film & V for vendetta also
During the free will vs determined behavior, I'm reminded of the studies done when identical twins were separated at birth and ended up in different families. If/when they had a chance to reconnect, they found they had chosen similar education/career paths, married spouses with the same first names, etc. There were SO many similarities in how they lived that I have been more apt to think we are WAY more biologically determined than we like to admit.
The idea that Nature is often a lot stronger than Nurture can be terrifying if you come from people with bad genes/predisposition. For instance, both my parents are Narcissists and abusive, and on my father’s side, there is a Loooong history of both this Narcissistic abuse, but also depression, anxiety, ADD, as well as physical health issues. My mom was adopted so she doesn’t know her genetic history. This is part of the reason I don’t want kids. The genes I got from my father’s family were mostly bad, and I don’t want to pass that on to a kid. And I’ve also seen in other families how strongly genetics can influence behavior, and in a way its somewhat spooky.
Personally, I’m Team Free Will, but man oh man alive, if you have an issue that your struggling with that comes from a genetic pre-disposition its a long, arduous battle that you fight every single day, and usually it’ll take professional help to maintain yourself and not go bananas.
I remember reading about that study and they found weird coincidences that only made me more curious. A set of twin boys who were separated at birth had both married a woman of the same name. Or they had both named a dog "Toy".
Definitely what about the studies of brain tumors affecting peoples behavior or brain damage changing people completely.
@@anjelica948 but we don’t use our influences that make us us. All the decisions we make we were going to make always, because of all the influences that made us who we are. We didn’t choose anything for example, our parents. No look at everything else media other people every situation that we did not create that made us who we are, and we’re gonna make the decisions based off that.
I'm a bit leery of such studies. They are usually very limited in scope and size. How many things did they look at? What did they ignore/discard? Where they looking for specific things, or just taking notice of random coincidences? How much shoehorning took place? Did they set out to prove nature and ignore coincidence? Did they compare the subjects to a control group to rule out chance? Coincidences happen all the time, and what we think of as random is often just a limited set of possibilities. Names, for example, come and go in cycles of popularity, so the chances of marrying spouses with the same name goes up. Jobs can also fall under broad umbrellas, like technician or IT, or made to fall under even broader terms like Aerospace, which can encompass a lot of different fields.
6:48 - the original idea was the Matrix using humans as a neural network, which makes way more sense. But the studio thought people wouldn’t get it so they made the battery instead. That’s one thing I wish the Wachowskis stuck to but at least the true concepts are out there with the notes.
damn that is a way better idea yeah wish we could have seen that
I personally think one of the reasons for the change was to raise the stakes. People get exploited for their minds in real life all the time. Think about when your boss makes you think up solutions for a problem at work and then doesn't even thank you for it. When your friend steals your funny joke and makes everyone think it was his. We've been beaten down by a lot of factors to not take ownership for our intellectual property, so having the resource be something so nebulous as brain thinking power "I am a computer to you" doesn't mean as much as the raw, physical violation of "I am a meat battery to you". So yes, it does boil down to "audience wouldn't get it", but there's some specifics that I like to think about. It would maybe be too much of a risk of having the audience think "no, but being a computer is fine".
Personally, I like the change because...well, it's a sort of foreshadowing to the system's ambiguity.
Humans aren't an effective battery, and keeping us alive isn't an effective use of resources that must be obtained by the machines on their own time. This ultimately levies that the machines value human life such that they choose to engage in the non-logical course of action of keeping "useless" humans alive.
Get to the Architect talking about how they programmed for the dissent/rebellion. That the Oracle is a part of the system, a program in and of itself...that The One is a messianic archetype the Matrix creates every time they reboot the system so as to keep humanity "in line". This is a shit-ton of hassle for a Hard-Utilitarian structure to engage in for something with literally no objective purpose...
The Matrix may be on the wrong side of the creators' moral paradigm...but that doesn't make the Matrix or its programs inherently evil. If the Matrix were inherently evil, it wouldn't even keep these useless wasteful bodies alive in the first place!
@@alderblanco2362 true you do make a good point it does make you feel a larger sense of violation kinda like off the snowpiercer movie which i think also does a good job of eliciting a visceral response of horror or disgust at the exploitation of humans in the pursuit of system operation
"agents are bad but always stay away from Marketing" - Neo
28:07 I love how all of the Neo's on the monitors behind him all look up in unison before it cuts back to "live" Neo who walks off to the/our right. Every single bit of Neo's personality have all chosen the exact same thing at the exact same time. It's a unanimous decision within every fiber of his being.
Great catch. It's like choosing in a blink without hesitation. Hesitations in key moments substantially hinder us and make things counterproductive. These drain out the positive possibilities slowly. But on the other hand, decisions like this shown in that key moment breed miracles.
Hearing you guys talk about the way Hugo Weaving speaks and acts makes me want to see you guys do psychology of a hero for V in V for Vendetta. One of my all time favorite movies!
I actually recently started therapy for essentially this. I came to realize through my professional field that even the good qualities of my character were based in trauma response. My flaws, my qualities, the little details of my personality, the things I’m interested in, the things I’m good at, the fundamental ways I love others, even the fact that I don’t drink enough water, it’s all traceable back to ancient trauma that I don’t even remember and I was so thrown and disoriented because I couldn’t understand if any of me was me or if all of me is just my trauma response. Still haven’t gotten to an answer. The furthest I’ve gotten in my progress so far is the thought of ‘so what if it is - it’s made you you and do good with it.’ But I feel like there’s further to go down the line of thinking. I felt so defeated when I figured out that even the good things about my character are textbook trauma response and I don’t know how much of me is me and how is consequence of environment. The nihilist in me leans toward ‘who cares why’ and the American in me leans toward analyzing identity and freedom.
Why not try to reconcile those paths?
I'm also in the minority of people who actually enjoy the entire trilogy, but the 1st is indeed the best of the set.
I think there are more of us trilogy lovers than people think. We just don't blast it everywhere.
Same as with lovers of the Star Wars Prequels, Alan. ;)
Third was too weak. Most didn't feel up to it. The first set such a bar. All we need is action and philosophy.
Hubby and I also do. Was our first movie in the theatre together and watch the first one too many time to coins. The matrix is based on Japanese amine that is more complex
I could be remembering wrong, but I think I only saw the sequels on DVD so that might have helped me enjoy it better. Maybe? Smaller screen, cozy living room, could rewind and replay when it got too wordy.
It’s a good trilogy but it’s also clear it was never supposed to be one. The original script for the second and third films was only one movie and because it was sliced into two, it feels bloated and uneven when it really didn’t need to be.
Honestly a bit surprising that they haven't done The Matrix yet. There is so much content to delve into. I'm so stoked for this episode! (Also super excited to see another Dungeons and Daddies fan!)
They probably waited, to time it with the release of Matrix: Resurrections. I am SO STOKED for the next movie!
This is my new favorite channel hands down. As an aspiring filmmaker and someone who’s currently doing therapy I’ve gotten so much more, not just out of these films, but in filmmaking and psychology in general
Thanks to this video I finally watched the Trilogy, without friends forcing me to and its great!
And I realized that I find Agent Smith absolutly fascinating. Like you said he speaks very robotic, but what I find interesting is how he says he thinks humans and their emotions are supid while getting angrier and angrier that Neo doesn't give up.
I can’t stop watching from these scenes now from the view that the Wachowski Sisters confirm The matrix is about their life through transitioning from MF and deals with that along with self-image, and identity.
The Wachowski Sisters made an amazing show on Netflix called Sense8 about how we’re all connected as humans and have an empathetic 8th sense, ugh! So great! good action, filmmaking and characters you get attached to! Great themes too. Would be awesome to see an episode on it. Fans actually petitioned Netflix twice after they canceled it after season one, then a Holiday special they wanted a real season 2 and it ended finally without a cliff higher.
Also a lot of the actors will be in the new Matrix film!!!
Wait, that was from the Wachowski Sisters? That explains so much, holy crap
Oh they did sense8 I really enjoyed it
Agree. One of the best shows on Netflix. More people need to see it.
Yes, Sense8 was from the Wachowskis and J. Michael Straczynski. A great show gone too soon.
Original Matrix was so incredibly life changing for me. It framed so much of my thinking moving forward mostly because it put into words things I believed and knew deep inside but hadn't been able to solidify before it. LOVE this movie on a truly soul level. I have to separate the sequels from it as their own thing because they are SO different from the original. The Oracle is everything. The Oracle and Neo are EVERYTHING. *Best* part of 2 is when she tells him "We can never see passed the choices we don't understand" and "You've already made the choice. Now you have to understand it." Absolutely *love* it. Life. Changing.
i was absolutely OBSESSED with the first movie. i lost count of how many dozens of times i watched it.
like you, it affected my ways of thinking incredibly deeply.
Sorry I'm 2 years late, but by sequels do you mean 2 and 3, or the stuff that came out years and years later?
That clip of Neo hating Jar Jar was pure gold.
Watching Alan’s face while Jonathan talked about choosing our response to things instead of letting things happen- wow. You guys. I can see you changing along with the rest of us and I love it.
"You're waiting on the people who hurt you to make your life better, and they don't give a damn."
That is one of the hardest concepts to come to terms with, as a survivor of child abuse. They taught me to clean up my messes, that it was my RESPONSIBILITY to make right the things I wronged. But they won't do it for me.
I confronted them, and whether they meant it that way or not, they effectively blamed the abuse on me. It was my fault they couldn't control themselves. At that point, I knew they would never clean up the mess they made. Because they didn't give a damn.
The only person who can clean up that mess is me.
Similar to the meta narrative of blaming poverty on the poor while we wait for billionaires, or "the one" to fix the world
When neo was it the train station with their family and that man said love was just a word and he talked about the love he had for his daughter. For me that was powerful. My preference was for the dialogue because it was so stimulating
Dang this one hit hard around 25:45… thank you guys for keeping me company during a very lonely time in my life, and providing breathing room and clarity of mind and laughs for me during a time when I’ve been too overwhelmed and stressed to go to therapy, and for forgiving me for this extreme run-on sentence. 😁😅💙
Sending hugs.
Wish you the best! Keep going ❤
Fun Fact: 8:40 This was the moment Neo Accepted All Cookies in the Matrix.
No, it was just your standard Trojan Horse.
Can I just say that whoever edits the montages at the start with all the film clips, audio, and music, has been on fire?? First noticed how great the editing was with your Hunger Games videos, now this one is brilliant.
Thanks so much for the compliment!
@@TrevorEditor You're welcome! So professional and gets me hyped to watch these movies all over again. :) Also love the comedic inserts of every CT episode, too.
@@TrevorEditor Agreed! So good! That cookie monster clip made me laugh SO HARD!
@@lobsterlogic COOOOOKIIIIIIEEEE!
@@TrevorEditor Haha! Exactly!
I'm so glad more people are coming round to the idea that 2 & 3 are great movies. I had the same realisation when I revisited them for the first time in lockdown. I guess most audiences weren't ready for this back in the 00s, I know I certainly wasn't at the time!
23:50 I've heard the saying, children are never exactly what we want them to be when we had them. We often forget that they are human beings and individual persons because:
1. When we choose to have children, we're typically thinking of how having children would complete our ideal image of happiness, or how it change our life phase the way we are ready for.
2. They rely so much on our guidance and conditioning, they inherit so much from our own DNA.
And yet, they are never exactly what we expect them to be. I find it absurd when parents put up their children for adoption with the reason being, "I won't be able to do everything I want with my kids because they have 'X' disability." Even if they were born with a complete body, parents still won't be able to do everything they want with those children.
Gotta say, on the philosophical talk of choice vs determinism of the Matrix movies, I love Neo's final quote that you showed. It encapsulates true existentialism as explained by Jean Paul Sartre, life is meaningless, life does lack purpose, that just means that it falls onto us to give it one. Why get up? Because we choose to, that's what life is, based on existentialism and watching your analysis made me realize that it is because of this movies that I grew up as an existentialist
"I choose to persist because I choose to" --> punches the avatar of nihilism in the face.
Even if "choice" is an illusion, the outcomes of our choices have cause-and-effect relationships on the representation of the world we keep in our minds and the real world beyond that.
What's really baked my noodle for the past 22 years is, if continuing to exist is the result of accepting circular reasoning, then can Agent Smith also be right?
If existence does not require an "objective" purpose, then our lives can have any *subjective* purpose we want to give them. The worst that can happen is that we die trying - and we're all going to die one day eventually anyway.
So why not live the time we have as authentically and intentionally as possible?
@@Grizabeebles absolutely agree! Subjective meaning is still meaning, even if it is only for our own sakes, especially because it is. We should live authentically!
I thought, what are we -- a bunch of college students in our first philosophy class smoking pot?
@@mgb7140 well I read Existentialism is a Humanism for a class in high school when I was around 15, so you're not that wrong... Hahahahahahaha
@@mgb7140 groovy…
i love that you mentioned how there's no space for healing when you just want the person/people who wronged you to fix it or change. for /years/ i was stuck in that headspace and was just spinning my wheels on my healing journey and in therapy, because i felt like "well it's not my fault i'm like this, everyone else should adapt to me because /i'm/ broken and can't be fixed. if people care about me they'll just understand and adjust accordingly". only when i finally broke out of that did real healing begin. it took a loooooot of introspection and forgiveness, a lot of long crying sessions and tough self-love, but i'm better for it and i wouldn't change it for the world. if i remained stubborn, i'd still be waiting for others to do the work for me. we all have to take full responsibility for our own wellbeing, regardless of what happened to us, or who caused what. just like closure in relationships doesn't come from the other party but from the self, so does healing.
This is so wonderfully said, thank you.
I'm stuck in a similar place, but from a different angle. My feeling is that I don't really have a problem with myself, my problem is that others won't accept me for who I am. Because they don't accept me, I feel I should have a problem with myself, but I don't know where to focus, so I end up hating everything about me. However, I don't really want to change because I don't see the problem. It's basically being trapped in this circle. Granted, I guess the ultimate problem is caring too much about what others think of me, and I really don't know how to even deal with that.
@@Krendall2
Have you solved it since? :)
If not, here's how I broke out of that cycle:
You are free to choose the way you wanna be. If that's not what other accept, then they are free to decide that for themselves, too.
And that's okay.
So how do you stay yourself in an unwilling world, then?
Well, no car engine runs without oil. So grease those gear teeth, to keep things moving forward. Don't blunt yourself, don't expect them to make room for you, but add grease.
In many ways, most people are not "my kind" of people. And that's okay. They don't have to be my soul mate for us to get along. Sure, I'd like more connection, I'd like to vibe on a deeper level. But I'm done hurting myself over something unrealistic...
This perspective allowed me to stay true to myself, without projecting blame and hurt onto others.
And wouldn't you know, over time, "my tribe" of people _found_ me!
I didn't have to put effort into it - I just stayed myself and whoever connected with me, I kept around close. Those who stayed for a while but then left, I let go.
I now have some deep friendships, and some acquaintances that I like catching up with but aren't central to my daily life. And a lot of "somebody's I used to know."
But I know from my tribe what value I can bring, and that those who didn't let me, only hurt themselves. And I'm done chasing them or proving my value to them. I'd rather invest my time and energy in those who do see it, without me needing to beg/convince them.
It's been exceptionally liberating, and I'm getting closer to whom I truly am every single month/year/whatever.
It's all a learning experience, and I'll grow alongside whomever want to for as long as it lasts.
Good luck, and perhaps screenshot this and reread it every 3 months - you'll pick out new elements as you grow yourself; I've learned that from experience :)
PS: this probably goes without saying, but just in case - be yourself _without_ hurting others for your own satisfaction/gains ;)
This was a breakthrough time me hearing it. Finally realizing I have a CHOICE in how I'm going yo react with my C-PTSD. I don't know why you saying it had such a major impact. But it did. Thank you.
This is tied with the Dark Knight Trilogy as my favorite movie trilogy of all time!
It is the 3rd movie that elevates this from a simple popcorn movie to something greater. All of the smaller stories turns the story into an epic. The story of Neo & Trinity is beautiful and moving. And the evolution of programs within the matrix is mind blowing. I love the philosophy throughout the 3 movies and I’m glad you captured that, it’s ‘compelling’, fascinating, and eye brow raising. There is some beauty and truth within the madness. Loved this! Great job.
"People go to therapy to be validated."
I honestly think this is a valid reason...? I've experienced having my traumatic experience dismissed and invalidated. So I went to therapy to be able to talk about my experience in a safe space and speak my truth. Being validated was very healing.
I think that's valid too, and why you need a therapist who is trauma informed. Certain traumas have a way of taking away the entirety of your freewill and choice. I think that's why its also important to have therapists who are trauma informed. Jonathan's a relationship counselor, so I'm guessing he's talking about "going to therapy to have your choices (for example, cheating) validated."
Yeah, it didn't felt like it was handled well.
The stars incline us, they do not bind us.
I love this one because it means that while fate - whether determined by the stars, the gods or something else entirely - might nudge us in a certain direction, we are never forced in it
Except when we are.
Yes. This is where I stand, usually in the middle or mixing of all stances into something greater. Nothing is black and white. The same idea is in epigenetics, which would play a big role in therapizing others. You can always have a predisposition to something but it takes your choices and nurture to determine you going down a certain path/experience. For example I’m predisposed to alcoholism from my father but never once have had an issue and never will…because I choose not to do anything my parents did, because eventually you grow up and realize that addiction is primarily a choice, a conscious poor coping mechanism to life and learned helplessness that eventually spirals. though that may sound controversial it’s true...but it’s also true you can choose to get better if you want it enough. In a different vein, you could have a parent with depression which predisposes you to having depression, but doesn’t guarantee its development - if you do end up having it it is not necessarily simply the result if genetics, but for example the result of living in a society that is sick and fosters a way of life/existence that can more easily lead people to be depressed
@@emmabunch-benson4795 i disagree completely
You always act on what you most want to do and cannot choose what you most want to do, thus while you have a will that gives the illusion of free will you do not actually have free will
I watched the trilogy a bunch as a teen, and was in the majority camp that the latter two were subpar and philosophically confused. This video has made me want to give them another watch, with some new perspectives. Great stuff.
We love the hero's journey because it's in our fantasies that us normal people could become the "main character" :)
That Phantom Menace joke killed me y'all ☠ "I want out! I want out!". It was like living Phantom Menace all over again.
Yes! Finally, one of my favorites movies is featured! Can't wait to see what you do with it.
Oh, and the original concept of The Matrix was that the humans were being used as computer processors (which makes a lot more sense), not batteries, but the studio thought the audience was too stupid to understand that...grrrr.....
Can you please provide some additional info to that? The story makes so much more sense if that's the case
Aaaah, really? Damn studio interference, people can watch complicated movies!
@@ayesha8809 Neil Gaiman (who was closely involved with the project) wrote a short story with the original premise called "Bits and Pieces". I think the Wachowskis also gave interviews at the time, stating the reasoning for the change. Basically, the Machines have everyone wired up together into a massive wetware neural network, which also neatly explains how people are able to bend the simulation easily. Ever had a lucid dream?
Like a cluster! Yes, much more sense!
I love the Matrix movies sooo much. Also Philip Pullman has written some great stuff on the nature of choice. "There are two sides to human history and they've been fighting since time began, between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to be humble and meek and to obey." For me the Matrix sums up this quote perfectly. Also, it's not a movie, but if you're interested in this the TV Show Supernatural does a really great job of exploring this theme between seasons 2-5. It is cheesy and humourous, but it explores it sooo well. Both the conflict between traditional religion and humanism and the dichotomy between fate and choice. "Because I have to believe that I can choose what I do with my unimportant little life!"
I just got around to watching this one today and tbh, I feel this so hard and so much. I've had a lot of disappointment in my life regarding being able to rely on so-called "friends" and others I've known. I'm not saying I had a crappy life, I didn't, I have a decent life and our family gets along and such, but due to depression and anxiety, I often felt like no one really saw me for me and I always felt so broken and empty inside.. and then I actually got broken with certain people who hurt me very much in my life too. It took me such a very long time to finally realize, that I needed to learn to do things on my own and start learning to fix my life to make it better, instead of trying to seek validation from everyone else and chasing a wild goose (real friends and people I could count on). I wasted a lot of time hoping and waiting for people to be there, but now I know that sometimes we have to do things in life alone. I'm totally open to finding people I can rely on more and such, but I know now that I have to do things on my own too to get anywhere at all. This is was a really good video you guys did, so thank you :).
I love Revolutions, in part, because in Reloaded Neo finds out that "the one" is an idea made to manipulate him into sacraficing himself to restart the system. But he recognizes the bluff and DECIDES to become the first real One. It makes the third movie the best movie
As someone who has very little control over my own life, I cling to the idea that you presented that I still have the choice in how I respond to everything that is happening to me. I've been seriously ill and bedridden for years and don't have the mental energy and focus to really advocate for myself. I rely on others to take care of me. I'm in their control. I choose to show them gratitude and love. I choose to be sweet when it'd be so easy to be bitter. These are choices we all have if we can pause before we respond.
I wish the courage to take the reigns on your life.
@@datuangela thank you. I know you mean well. It's more about ability than courage for me as I used to be stubbornly independent before I got sick.
I know what is it like, I was in the same position before. I wish you quick rehabilitation.
Solidarity to you, from a fellow disabled person.
Don't forget, it's ok to be angry.
Your situation is not fair and there's a lot of good energy in anger.
Oof! Great sympathy hugs, from another person with longterm medical disability!
Our dilemma in that respect always strongly reminds me of the book series "What Katy Did", which I read repeatedly as a kid... I always struggled with the narrative there, which posited that invalids could always make a choice to keep their environment & person tidy and clean, and be sweet-as-pie to everyone helping them? Honestly I do not think that's realistic, given how ongoing chronic pain feeds into severe fatigue and limits what one can do in a day, as well as limiting one's emotional energy. In terms of emotional interactions, I don't think active cheerfulness is always possible either in that context... I guess the bit I try for at minimum is just not harming anybody knowingly, and apologizing if necessary? 🤷🏻♀️ It sounds like you do too!
I’ve honestly adored The Matrix since I was a young girl and have only grown to love it even more as I’ve grown older. As a young child I understood there was a huge amount of philosophy I didn’t understand but appreciated it. As an adult, I dove head first into it all and wow! So good. I know pop
culture loves to take a piss at The Matrix and over do the funny allusions like in Shrek, but it’s so amazing to me.
This episode really spoke to me. I'm years into this phase of resignation in my life, always finding a way to both make myself guilty of everything (self hatred), and blame my myriad of issues on others. I genuinely, really believe nothing I do matters, that I'll end up in the same place, always. I'm a quitter. I suck at relationships, of any kind. I just indulge in fiction, and I'm so alien to reality, the very passing of time scares me. At this point, I don't know if I want control or not?? It would be very easy to just stay on this course, but like; I want my downward spiral to be more exciting than whatever this is lmao
Anyways TLDR,, I need therapy and my parents won't let me
(Sorry to the kind stranger that reads this, I got no one to vent to, It's just relieving ^^")
The concept that you have to take responsibility for your own actions even if the world's been terrible to you reminds me so much of Fruits Basket (it's a long series, so you'll probably never take a look at it for the show, but it is SO GREAT). There's a scene where someone admits to his abuser that he has to stop blaming them, or else he'll never be able to move forward. And that's when he finally starts taking control of his own life and it's kind of beautiful.
Omg I love that anime!!!
I can’t believe I grew up reading the manga, thanks for the reminder lol good times 🧸
I don't know why nobody talks about the line of the Oracle when she tells Neo "maybe on your next life" which actually foreshadows his death and resurrection, going with the Christ's references...
No, it's because The One are many.
@Ted Archer That's a recon for part 2
Oh, I love what you did... recreate what the movies were about.
A lot of philosophy with "action breaks" Yeap, they did that. And it was amazing!
I'm a huge fan of the trilogy because of that.
Having just watched the sequels to prepare for the newest film, I'd agree with Jonathan that the third one was pretty good and was surprised to see how many people disliked it. Now having watched all the films, I am really looking forward to their observations on Matrix Resurrections!
Me when I get a notification that Cinema Therapy uploaded a new video: "DROP EVERYTHING"
This is so true.... I did this exact thing
I would absolutely love an episode on Hot Fuzz.
It has to be my favorite movie ever, and the more times you watch it, the more you see its brilliance.
Seconded!!!
The whole Cornetto trilogy please.
Agreed!
I just got an ad for the 2021 matrix movie while watching this. Great ad placement, no matter if it was accidental or purposeful.
Speed Racer is such an underappreciated film. I love Speeds nobility and integrity. I love John Goodman's awesome speech to Speed on the couch. So much awesomeness in that movie.
I remember a teacher giving us 2 choices, either set the clock half an hour back or half an hour forward. I was the only one that stayed seated (instead of walking towards the clock), he asked why. I said that you only "gave" two choices and didn't declare there were more. Like advancing the clock more or even stay seated and do nothing. Everyone else followed the dictation, whereas I did not. Most didn't get it, few went "oh". The teacher was happy at least someone got it :) One of the few standout moments I treasure.
Concerning the Oracle, she represents what our experiences, knowledge and content programmed us to be - you assume free will, but you're bound to the restrictions you grew up with and you'll never be exactly sure if you broke or can break free of it. That bit is the "understanding why"-bit in my opinion.
You're talking about structural determinism, but the "understanding why" bit is even deeper than that and it's rooted in neuroscience.
The human brain forms thoughts/opinions/decisions before it is even aware than it made them, let alone why.
Veritasium and Neuro Transmissions have made videos talking about how the brain thinks.
And everybody clapped
@@tinkdnuos No, of course not :)
@@ErebosGR Interesting, I'll look into it!
Why were people getting up? I don't get that. 😅
The Matrix as a system is inherently unstable. In my reading of the trilogy, the Oracle (under the guise of "prophecy") manipulated the three humans (Neo, Morpheus and Trinity) as an alternate solution to the Architect's. The Architect's solution was sustainable (Neo's was iteration 6, I believe) but had an extremely high human cost. All but 23 humans per cycle dies but by positioning Neo to save Trinity in Reloaded, that changed. The Machines can not permit Zion to continue as it is and it must be destroyed but also the Matrix itself is in danger due to it's inherent instability. Without intervention, Humanity was going to go extinct. This is where Neo makes his first real, unscripted choice, he choose to make peace with the Machines. The Oracle planned the first two movies and Revolutions is the culmination of that plan but that part is unscripted and based entirely on her faith in Neo. I'd argue that the Matrix Trilogy is as much about faith as it is about choice. It is Morpheus's and Trinity's faith in the Oracle and their collective faith in Neo opposed to the Architect's faith in the system and Smith's own broken faith.
Huh, now that I see it Morpheus, Neo, and Trinity really are coded (in movie language, I mean) to be like the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Morpheus the Father "births" Neo into the real world. Neo uncovers extraordinary abilities in his 30s and dies to save the world, and Trinity is the juicy fruit that keeps him going and gives him strength.
Probably like 20 years too late for that analysis, but it's Friday so hey.
Great analogy. Just a point of correction I believe Neo was number 7 as the architect stated there had been 6 iterations before.
Whoever writes the subtitles, I LOVE YOU! Hahaha
This episode is another great example of adding your own humor to Jono and Alan’s already funny encounters haha
I know I am late to this but I really wanted to share because the idea of choice and change was so huge for me and my ability to interact with society and form relationships that it just hits hard. I agree that in most circumstances there aren't aspects of people that are not changeable, regarding personality. However, like with everything, there are exceptions. I am on the autism spectrum. There are parts of me that all the therapy couldn't change. That being said I was not robbed of choice. My favorite therapist that helped me the most didn't try to change me to help me fit in but taught me how to make choices to allow me to be a part of society. He said that my brain is wired differently and so there are parts of my personality that are different and that is just fine. He said that we couldn't change those parts of me but what I could do was make changes in the way I reacted and responded by choosing different ways forward. For example, instead of using masking techniques, communicate unique needs that might not fit societal norms. I loved this entire video because honestly everything you were saying just feels like something he would say. He really was the best therapist and to this day his office was one of the places I felt the safest and most cared for. I don't think I would have the friends, relationships, and life I have today without the lessons I learned with him. And that is not to say he saved me or anything. I put in the work and we achieved the outcome through teamwork, my input, and his insight.
I loved the first Matrix movie! My philosophy teacher used it to explain to us the Allegory of the Cave, and it was mind-blowing!
What's the Allegory of the Cave? If u don't mind explaining I'd love to know.
My English teacher did the same thing because he liked having his creative writing and English classes watch the movie
My philosophy lecturers have used it for a good lot of things.
My philosophy prof talked about it in terms of the Descartes’ evil demon.
Probably lots of phylosophy teachers showed it! I watch it for the first time in one of the first classes to ask us the question of what is reality and such, will never forget!
What an amazing episode. Loved every bit of it :)
I love the Matrix movies so much and so many other movies that you've covered on this channel but the one thing you guys never fail to do is show much just how good these movies are. I already know they're good and I like them but you guys make me like them even more than I did before. Thank you :)
Give the editors a raise! 😂 the editing had me bursting out with laughter like a madman at work! 😂
"And yet we say we honor choice; we just don't want it in our children." Of all the episodes I've seen thus far, this hits the hardest. I think we grow up being put through a constant ping pong of whether you actually have choice or autonomy. You're expected to make your own decisions, but oftentimes I think what people really want to see is you suffer the consequences of those decisions. At the same time, how often have we seen in our lives other people making horrible decisions, some of which impact ourselves or the ones we care about, and then be told that the person who hurt us can't help it? It's baked into their personality and we - as someone mature, intelligent, or devoutly Christian - have to "be the better person" and "turn the other cheek"?
This is not a criticism on the points explored by Jonathan and Alan in this episode. It's been suggested to me that I am a determinist; I think for me, I make the observation that everyone tries to push responsibility off to someone else. Parents push their kids because everyone else is doing it and they don't want to lose out. Figures of authority treat their subordinates worse than their opponents because "they care". I suppose that's why many of us looking to therapy or a listening ear desire validation. After watching the episode on "Good Will Hunting", I think I cried for a solid five minutes. I suspect that many of us need that moment where someone tells us that it's not our fault.
Jonathan, Alan, thank you for what you are doing. I've just started therapy and I have little idea of what will develop, but after watching your videos since a few weeks back, I am quietly hopeful.
I had to work through a good number of those issues and what I learned is that in a world where everyone has free will, everyone shares responsibility for nonsense. To be concrete about it: I'm in a position of authority, and I cannot control what my subordinates do. I can control how I approach them, how well I inform them about the choices they have to make, what tone I take with them, and how I frame the discussion, but at the end of the day, they will make their own choices. They may then, in suffering the consequences, turn around and point the finger at me and blame me for what they did--and I will own and apologize for the parts of my approach to them that may have contributed to the problem--but I have to root myself in the concrete reality that they made a choice. It's important to take responsibility for your own share of an interpersonal conflict, but also to avoid taking responsibility for what is genuinely outside of your control--like the other person's choices.
As a Christian, I know the rhetoric you're talking about, and what's often missing from it is that while Christ is given as a model, He is also the straight-up Son of God and there's no way we can ever, in our own power, fully imitate His character. That's why it's vital to give the situations involving people whose choices hurt us to Him--something David did very effectively in the Psalms. (A great line of his you'll never hear in church includes, "Bash the teeth of my enemies." A violent thought, but better said to God than done in the heat of the moment.) Perhaps one of the most brilliant pieces of wisdom in the Gospels is "pray for those who persecute you." It doesn't say how to pray--you can pray your anger, your hurt, and all your trauma--but the point is that instead of that stuff sitting in your head growing steadily more toxic by the day, you're releasing it to a wiser, more just, more compassionate Being than you can ever be. Trusting that process has been one of the most healing things for me in recovering from some hospitalization-grade depression and coping with the ongoing abuse that comes with being a public figure in authority these days.
I genuinely love spending time with you guys more than some TV shows.
I want to thank you making this channel that helps me get through my time until my next therapy, and in the other hands, guides me in a different way from the therapy I’m having. I’m also a filmmaker, wish to see more of your work from different kinds of movies. Loves from Taiwan
The best part of the pill scene is the illusion that Neo had a choice in the first place. As we learned in the later movies, this had been done over and over again
Our internet dads are back at it again making our days 10x better
One of your best episodes I've seen. Appreciating the detour into philosophy.
Hi Internet Dads! Been watching your channel for a long time, commenting now for the first time. Just wanna say, first off, that your work is awesome and impactful, and you make the internet (and the world) a better place. No exaggeration. Secondly, thank you so much for inspiring me to rewatch the Matrix movies and realize how incredibly well-crafted and important they actually are. (All four of them.) They are a (partly underappreciated) masterpiece, and to me there are no other movies quite like them, and they totally hit home. Just... thank you.
I actually love the 2nd Matrix. Mostly because of the hints of some really really cool lore that we never learn much about
I hope this one doesn't send me crying in my closet again like the Katniss episodes. I love your channel. It's very helpful and informative
21:22. Omg I’m dying 😂
To whoever subtitles these videos - you are bloody brilliant. Very rarely does CC make videos so much butter, (especially these videos which are already so damn good on their own) but your closed captioning always does!
I love this channel. I’ve been on a binge for like 2 days watching all of your videos. So funny and great commentary
Thanks!! Glad you enjoy it!
Choice vs. victimhood and gratitude. I love how clearly Jonathan explains the power that comes from making choices vs being a victim of your circumstances--it's something I've understood but have not been able to put into words.
Lately, when faced with friends who feel they have been wronged and can't let go, I often get the impression that our path to happiness lies in gratitude. What is blowing my mind at the moment is the idea that feeling like a victim and feeling grateful are both on the spectrum of responses to stimuli. Victimhood is degrading and leads to helplessness, but gratitude is uplifting and leads to empowerment.
Honestly, looking back on this movie and at the scene ya'll share at 10:56, I realized far too late that that was the moment Neo became important to the system. After all, how many websites insist on you ACCEPTING COOKIES?
Honestly great review and psychological dive into the movies everything you guys took away from the movies in terms of choices, free will and circumstance make the movies so important to me. Thank you guys
I've honestly adored every Matrix movie, including the animated Matrix, and newest one. I've seen them countless times and every time I just catch myself analyzing a new part I hadn't thought of before. For a month I even watched them daily lol
I loved this movie as a kid, my dad named me after Neo.
Watchin this video for a bit made me realise I missed most of the good stuff as a kid, now, i also have a Lil bit of programming knowledge so I'm looking forward to watching this again as an adult.
The whole is it choice or destiny paradigm has a whole other level when you understand that the Wachowskis have both since transitioned.
They haven't, though. They are still the Wachowski Brothers whether they want to believe that or not. They don't want to accept reality for what it is as the citizens of Zion do. They are basically Cypher's character but blue-pilled themselves into a different Matrix. Ironic as fuck.
Hyped for Speed Racer episode.
It had some great family moments and development.
It kept the heart of the show and I felt like a kid again when watching it. That's what an adaption should feel like.
I love the choice of the Christmas song over the bullets and destruction. thank you for that and all the rest.
Just the editing in the first 2 minutes of this video alone was amazing.
The talk about fate at the beginning brings to mind a quote from one of my favorite shows, RWBY (pronounced Ruby) in which a character who is faced with a really difficult decision in where she would take on another dying person's soul, basically to gain some magic powers so that the bad guys don't inherit the magic powers. The risk is that she would no longer be the same person. She is tormented by this decision, and she's speaking to the young man she loves who is clueless to any of the details, and asks if he believes in destiny, explaining that she views it as a goal that they work towards with every major decision.
Shout out to the editor for that intro, gave me the goosebumps
Thank you! Will pass it to the editor
- Anna
Yeah, that was so hype I was just like :O!!!
I love this! I truly believe that we can only make the best choices at the time we make them. We either make good choices, or we fail and learn from the failure. I took the darkness of my childhood and used it to know what never to do to my child. My step-mom taught me that I can use the people in my life as an example of who I want to be, or who not to be. 😁
WOW I LOVE THIS INTRO MONTAGE. I'VE SEEN ALL 3 IN ORDER 3 DIFFERENT TIMES and the first i think 1 or 2 times before all 3 came out. and i saw 2 and 3 once in theaters during the original release. SOMEHOW SEEING WHAT I'VE ALREADY SEEN BEFORE IN MONTAGE IS STILL AMAZING.
The fact I just had an examination on free will vs determinism in my Philosophy class and this pops up in my notifications is excellent timing!
I'd also like to make a point that up until the moment of his death Smith makes it a point to Deadname Neo as "Mr. Anderson". If you were looking for a narrative on transgenderism, there you go.
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I like the ideas of self determinism. You are not in control of anything in your life except your own actions. We can be influenced by things in life that aren’t in your control, but you can control how you respond to those influences.
Also your impression of Mr.Smith was pretty spot on there at the end!
I have this conversation with my partner all the time. His contention is that there are instances where you do not have a choice. His example is having a gun put to your child's head and asked to do whatever or the child dies. He hates that I still say there is a choice there. You actually could choose to refuse to commit a crime and let your child die. Most people would condemn you as a horribly immoral person for making that choice, but you can actually choose. My partner insists that in a case like that there is no choice. As for Neo as a Christ figure - literature is full of characters that are Christ figures. Western literature uses the idea of a savior, a chosen one, etc. all the time because for a very long time in history Christianity was kind of a given in European cultures. I love the Matrix and am looking forward to the newest. Unlike Jonathon I'd sign up for a program that would take up most of my 30's from about 1993 to 2000.
I agree with you. It's not that there's no choice; the choice your partner is making in that case is to eliminate one option. The choice is to say "this is a line I would not cross". The problem is often not that we have no choice, but instead that we dislike the consequences that would flow from particular choices so we CHOOSE to reject them as choices.
A choice, yes, but not free will
Sorry you are misunderstanding your husband completely. He has no choice, he will do that crime, each time, every time. For him its automation not action.
Some of us are just like that. Before my sister had kids, do the gun thing with her and there is no horror i would not commit, no crime too foul. I know myself well, i have no absolutes other than protect her and now her kids.
Saw a dad comment, I thought my wife was the most important person in the world, then I looked into that little face and I knew I would throw that bitch in front of a bullet for this one.
@@LittleHobbit13 this is an underated comment
As a determinist I really do not believe that you can change your choice. From what we know almost all of the laws of physics are determistic and even the ones that are not (quantum mechanics) are still stochastic and not "free". The actions that I take are based on electrical signals. If my consciousness gave me choice then it would need to alter electrical signals in my brain. We have no evidence of something like that being possible.
You might not be able to change the future, but you can still choose what you want to choose. Your choice might be determined, but it is still your choice. You have the power to choose exactly what you want to choose. Determinism does not mean that your life is outside of your control, it just means that your control is predetermined. If you want to choose to better yourself then you can absolutely still do so.
Determinism is also not a excuse for shitty behaviour. If somone does a shitty thing and determinism is true then that somone is somone who is determined to do shitty things, he is a shitty person. He can change and become a better person, but right now he is a person that would do a shitty thing in the circumstances that he was in. It does not take away responsibility. Your actions depend on your nature so if you do something shitty then your nature is shitty. It is everyone responsibility to society to not be a shitty person.
I had to study the matrix for a philosophy class about the allegory of the cave. good movie.
22:24 Agree💯
I would always be glued when this comes on 📺
speed racer is also one of my favorite films of all time (although it came out when I was 9 so I might be biased, lol) and I'm so excited that you guys are going to talk about it!!! it deserves more love
You guys tend to remind me of some of my favorite teachers I had. In that you teach important lessons, but in an entertaining way. Thank you for everything you do, you guys are awesome.