Psychology of a Hero: INDIANA JONES
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How do you let people in after being hurt? What's your favorite Indiana Jones film?
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright are dressed and ready to dive into the hero journey of Indiana Jones across five films (but mostly the original three). Indiana Jones is the hero of their youth, but they’re going deeper to look at the strong emotional arcs of Indiana and where he arrives at the end of the final film. They talk about Indy’s interpersonal struggles, particularly with Marion and his father, and how he learns to be vulnerable. Alan sprinkles in movie trivia and explains how Steven Spielberg plays with tone so well.
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Written by: Megan Seawright, Jonathan Decker, and Alan Seawright
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You lost out in saying template of doom.
@@theparadoxicaltouristtrave9320 dangit, you're right!
Can you guys make a video on Nimona?
@@CinemaTherapyShow Please do Ethan Hunt from Mission Impossible
*Does anyone else get the feeling these two are forever ready to don these costumes at the drop of a dime?*
There’s a lot of talk about how Harrison Ford is a bit of a cranky jerk (to put it mildly, depending on who you ask) but I loved hearing how he and Ke Huy Quan reunited, Ford immediately recognized him, despite not having seen him for decades, and said that Quan’s accomplishments were all his own, and he had nothing to do with it.
Also to clarify: I really like him as an actor, he was one of my first celebrity crushes. I don’t think it unreasonable at all that he likes his privacy, in fact it’s rather unfortunate that people call him cranky for it. I just think it’s really awesome that there are some, like Quan, who clearly mean a lot to him.
Adam Driver recently said he's not actually that jerky. He was grateful to be back in Star Wars, despite his apparent hate of it, and that warms my heart.
Aww, that’s good to know. :)
@@GreenhairgabiBased on what I've seen, it's more that he's just not too big on the lore, and gets a bit irritated when all people ask him about is star wars (or for some reason asking him questions about the lore).
It'd be like if I asked Chris Patton questions about the F-8 Crusader's service history or specs, just because a character he voiced from an anime back in 1985 and 2004 flew one for a short time lmao.
@@Tigershark_3082That's my impression as well
@@Tigershark_3082 It also kind of feels he isn't really fan of the fame and attention. He enjoys acting and that's about the extent he wants to focus on.
That's my impression of him atl. He is still cranky jerk of sorts.
I love that Indie's super power is getting in way over his head, totally screwing up, getting the crap kicked out of him as a result, and then pulling himself out of the fire with the help (or, often, hindrance) of his comrades.
100%!
So he rolls a nat 1 at the beginning of an adventure and eventually rolls nat 20s by the end. Got it!
@@cmsully1 I don't know about nat 1s, but definitely in the single digits.
Oh geeze. Sorry for the nonsense reply. Kitten paws work really well on touch screens left open while listening to videos. 🫥
@ginareece5767 I wondered about that. Zero perspiration. I am very familiar with feline intercession into our digital lives.
(True story) I was actuallty named after Indiana Jones. My mom, for no other reason aside from just liking the movies, decided "yep, Indiana sounds good." For a long time, I've looked up to the character, and it wasn't until I'm older that I notice the flaws in his character. I'm glad that you all addressed this as well as his growth - it makes him that much more human and a more admirable and iconic character. :)
Honestly, you mom sounds crazy cool.
so you're named after an archaeologist who named himself after a dog who was named after George Lucas' own dog which shares a name with an American state whose name means "Indian Land" which was named after the Native Americans who were mistakenly named after the Indians from the actual country of India.
Weird how names travel. One person names one thing after another and it just keeps going. Apparently I'm named after a tree, which is cool I guess but a bit too straightforward for my liking
By transitive property, you were named after the dog
My cousin (male) was also called Indiana after the character.
My niece, Julianna, was inspired by Indiana.
What I also love about Indiana Jones as a hero is that he was among the first action heroes who was also an intellectual. Most action heroes only have the typical male bravado of strength, grit or in some cases charm, but rarely in movies (especially when these films came out) was it seen as cool to be smart and knowledgable about things such as history or mythology, and Indiana Jones would go on to inspire other great adventuring scholarly characters in fiction, such as Lara Croft, Nathan Drake, and others.
For the record, there were adventurer-archaeologists in Jones’s style in movies at least since the Pumpernel Smith movies in the 1940s
He was as much of a superhero as Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne .
College professor by day, wearing glasses etc.
His uniform is his hat and whip when raiding tombs.
Can we take a moment to appreciate the captions? They're actually in Greek when young Indy is counting in Greek 2:07
Whoever works on the captions your effort is appreciated
Anna! She's credited in every video description. She's awesome!
@@CinemaTherapyShow Thank you, Anna, for your hard work!
@@CinemaTherapyShowthat scene in Last Crusade where Henry tells Indiana to let it go reminds of a scene in Aladdin and King of Thieves where Aladdin and his dad found the hand of Midas (the ultimate treasure) and his dad realizing Aladdin is his ultimate treasure
@@aaronbischoff721 I never made that connection, but you're right!
@@aaronbischoff721 I felt the same! There's no way the script-writers made the parallel accidentally. I was a little kid, when that movie came out, and I thought Sean Connery voiced Cassim. A couple of years later, I learned it was actually a different "Indy" family member: John Rhys-Davies. (1/2/2024)
I can't believe you passed by the super powerful moment when Donovan shoots Henry. The shock on Indy's face, and then when he starts to charge at Donovan, the tears of fear running down his face. Brilliant acting by Ford.
agreed. I was very much expecting this too. they missed to show how now Indy has to pass the deadly booby traps not out of greed for the treasure, but to save Henry. Indy has to make that leap of faith over the abyss and drink from the potentially wrong grail in order to save his father. that was some powerful shit.
and when Henry is healed he first looks at Indy and smiles before he even notices the grail.
In Temple of Doom (1984), an underrated bit of Harrison Ford’s acting is when Indy has to stop and ask the village elder if he said “children”. His voice, which had been firm and composed up to this point, wavers, indicating his shock at this reveal. It’s a minor thing, but it shows us that, despite his selfish behavior for much of the film, Indy has a heart.
Also, Indy goes through a character arc in Temple of Doom. See, he doesn’t care (but isn’t a jerk about it). After hearing about what has been happening to the villagers, and even see a child that escaped back die, he doesn’t care. All he cares about is “fortune and glory”, as he says to dear ol’ Short Round. But when he actually goes out there and ends up seeing the horrific actions the bad guys are doing, sacrificing people in horrific ways (the heart scene for example), enslaving children for things that might never get found, and even being possessed by the dark magic, Indy learns that it’s more than just “fortune and glory”. And so that’s why in the end, he becomes a better person. Even when Willie asks why he couldn’t have just kept the stone, he responds saying how “it would just end up getting dusty in a museum” (or something), since this is an important artifact for people who are alive and needing of it. Just thought I’d add on and say since it’s something I’ve always noted
'Last Crusade' has always been my favorite Indy film. And the cliff scene brings me to tears every time. I had a fraught relationship with my dad. He didn't know how to raise a neurodivergent child and it caused a lot of damage between us. But, like Indy and Henry, we started repairing our relationship later. Unfortunately, my dad died before we could do much more than take first steps.
I'm so sorry you didn't get to complete that journey with your dad, but at least you know he wanted to take it with you.. I hope that brings you some peace, at least (I never got that chance with my mum, so I feel I can empathise.)
Best wishes for you and your loved ones in 2024 ❤
Same dude, same. My dad hasn't passed yet thankfully and I've been trying to help him but much like Connery/Dr. Jones Sr. he's quite stubborn in his ways :( Last Crusade was like the one thing we both ever shared or enjoyed... I feel like I've already lost him for complex reasons. I hope to God not. Thank you for sharing
It's my favorite Indy film too!
I remember realizing the significance of Dr. Jones calling him Indiana instead of Junior and cried. It was such an important moment of his dad recognizing and acknowledging Indy for who he is.
@serephita And followed by yet another awesome zinger moment: "We named THE DOG 'Indiana'." Nice little nod to how George Lucas first created the character. (1/2/2024)
During his childhood, Indy believed that Henry always chose work (on the grail) over his son. But in the critical moment, when everything is on the line, Henry chooses his son over the grail.
Separately, one way to read Raiders is that it's about Indy learning people are more important than objects. In Last Crusade, Henry shows he's learned the same lesson.
What I always enjoyed in Last Crusade was as much as they were 'estranged', Indy drops literally everything he's doing and doesn't waste a second going to hunt his father down when he was told he went missing.
Spielberg was ahead of his time when it came to portraying daddy issues. 1:1 accuracy
Went to see Dial of Destiny with my mom and she was in tears at the final scene. We had lost my dad last year, January 29th will be the first anniversary of his passing, and that scene reminded her of him. He loved Indiana Jones not just for action but also for the heart.
Honestly, my favorite part of Dial of Destiny is a part near the end of the movie. It's the scene where they are in the plane and a ballista spear lands right next to Indie; at first there's shock on his face, then it morphs into sheer awe as he appreciates the spear as an archeologist. It's a small scene, but Ford played it brilliantly and it shows us the genuine love of history that lives in Jones.
I think the reason tonal whiplash doesn’t happen in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989) is because they give us time to feel the gravity of the situation before the comedy sets in. They give us time to process Jones Senior’s grief, before we learn that Indiana has survived, to the delight of Sallah and shock of Marcus Brody. The same thing happens in The Lion King (1994). They give us time to process Mufasa’s death, Simba’s grief and Scar’s manipulation, before we get much-needed comedy from the hyenas getting their butts pricked on cactus.
Part of it is also that Brody standing there trying to figure out the math of it is Reasonable and Believable. Yes, it's important that we're ready for the hug to be over, but it's also important that these are things those people and Real people would do.
"Doing the right thing and hating yourself for it." The idea of selfish selflessness; doing things for others to feel better about ourselves. Empirical to the hero character arc, especially in Indy's case.
Reciprocal altruism or the quest for self-care and practicing vulnerability?
True selfishness/altruism doesn't really exist. At the core there's always a selfish reason, commonly that it makes you feel better about yourself or it makes you look good in front of others but either way, you're ALWAYS getting something out of the things you do for others, no matter if it's something small or big.
@@MusicLoverInTheSky Deep down in my heart, I want to believe that’s not true…real unconditional love happens when you are selfless, giving and not asking anything in return. You just give all you got. Whatever happens happens naturally.
@@WhatsAModderU Depending on your values, "giving and not asking for anything in return" can make you feel good about yourself. Not in a "Ha, look how good of a person I am!" way, but more like "This was the right thing to do and I would not have been able to keep my peace of mind otherwise.". That's what you're getting from it, your peace of mind knowing you lived under your values. That may mean nothing to some people but like I said, it depends on your values, your morals, who you are. That's what I meant when I said you're ALWAYS getting something no matter how small or big.
@@MusicLoverInTheSky Yeah that’s more what I was thinking of. It’s liberating really. And also a lot of giving unconditional love will be affected depending upon who you give it to. Like you can be a giving tree and end up worse off or you could be the same way towards someone who sees your worth and you won’t want for anything. And that starts with having shared values.
That is why I liked dial of destiny. It didn’t show a man who is just a cool action Star the entire time. It shows a grief stricken man who just wants to feel like he has done something worthwhile. Thus why him not wanting to leave the Roman Empire during the climax. He thought, “if I’m not worth anything morally, I could be worth something if they discover my skeleton.”
I feel like this could have been executed differently though. There's no need for Indy to be bashed by Helena constantly. And some of the scenarios they try to depict Helena as correct... were logically wrong from what I've been told. The sad thing is Indy doesn't even entirely make himself to be arrogant in the movie. Indy is fully aware of his age and his physical shortcomings. If they had Indy try to perform stunts he could have done 20 years and failing, I could understand Helena telling him "you need to stay back old man". But instead we get instances were Indy is logically/mentally/emotionally correct only to have Helena "correct" him.
At least with Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is was about even between Mutt and Indy. Mutt was wrong at times and so was Indy. That's a fair compromise.
Robot Head suggested Mutt(even if you must recast the character) be out on an adventure but needs help rescuing Short Round. That sounds like a good foundation for a final movie. It even pleases the old diehard fans by bringing back an existing character with the original actor. All grown up. Indy got old and so did his friends/allies.
I'm glad you liked the movie. It could have been so much more.
I think he should have stayed in the past. It's a great end to his story and even calls back to Belloq's line from Raiders about him being a part of an archeological find. As much as I liked the final scene, they missed a great opportunity.
@@coolnerdlll6053 I think that too.
@@FrenzysharkI myself don’t understand the hate Helena gets. The Last Crusade had a similar character with Elsa, a literal Nazi collaborator! Yet she is remembered fondly, how?!
Indiana spent the whole film calling out Helena for being a disgrace to her father and the whole field of archaeology. He rebuked her for cheering their improvised escape plan on the boat when 1 of his oldest and remaining friends died. In the end, she redeems herself by bringing him back to try again with Marion!
Dial of Destiny was just an okay film in the end, but it ultimately ended Indiana’s journey in a subdued and respectful way.
@@MistaGify Elsa I don't recall was portrayed as a hero of any sort though. She gets her just desserts as she should. Helena on the other hand is and it creates value dissonance... that doesn't need to be there in the first place.
Even if Indy did call her out, the film ultimately doesn't care and still portrays her to be "right". Does her redemption even justify the rest of the film being a hard sight to watch? Bringing him back with Marion just sounds like a weak form of compensation for all of the damage she's done. One act of supposed atonement doesn't automatically balance out over an hour snark from her.
Alternatively we could have gotten Short Round who was a cool, sympathetic guy from the very beginning of Dial of Destiny. Now that sounds like a more fitting send off for Indy. And it rewards long time fans for having faith they could be reunited with old characters.
i actually really enjoyed Indy 5. it's so much about living in the past and Indy himself almost reverting back to the closed off person he used to be because of Mutt dying and Marion leaving, all while dealing with the fact that time has moved on without him. Indy always relies on the people around him to bring him back. in Raiders it was Marion, in ToD it was Short Round, in Crusade it was his father, in Crystal Skull it was his son, and in Dial of Destiny it was Helena. once again showing how when he's able to actually let people into his life things tend to improve even in the hardest of times. from Indy's perspective, he saw living out the rest of his days in literal ancient history as the only way to cope with the immense loss he experienced in his modern day, but of course that means leaving behind all of the people that care for him. this also showed (at least to me) that he doesn't see himself as someone that can bring joy to others anymore, only hurt. i personally found that extremely relatable and sometimes when we go down that path, we need someone to knock some sense into us... literally or figuratively.
Also there's real appeal to living in a past you know about rather than having to cope with the changes of the present, and then the unknowable future. Don't we all want to return to the safety of the past at times? (although for most that's more of a nostalgia thing!)
His whole life has been trying to find and hold on to stability - the relics that have survived for centuries or millenia - when what he actually needs (but doesn't really know it thanks to dad) is people, who are less stable but actually more reliable.. The right people/relationships can't necessarily change the facts of your life but they can absolutely make you able to cope with, and even enjoy, whatever's thrown at you.
Yes! He is "saved" but it's because he has put in the effort with Wombat and she recognizes his importance, (similar to relationship with Dad) which she made a point about at the beginning. And he is rewarded with the illumination that he is still important and valued with his friends and family in the future
I’m glad I found someone who shares my feelings lol
I Loved the final movie, There was so much circular movement in it for Indy. And the finale was better than I could have hoped for.
As an archaeologist who is in therapy, and a longtime CT fan, I cannot say how happy I am to see this episode!
Out of the whole series, "Last Crusade" is still the one that resonate the most (also, it was my first Indy movie). My father is kind of distant, not unaffective but he has a really hard time to express is emotions openly, while I overcorrect in the opposite direction. The "what do you want to talk about" scene hit so close to home I have to stop and take a deep breath every time I watch the movie. I've been there way too often.
Great points across the board. I also love how the Indy movies are a study of aging. Not just "accepting" or "coming to grips" with getting old, but how to live with yourself in your later years as the physicality catches up to you.
As much as I was disappointed in Dial of Destiny, that conversation he has with Phoebe Waller-Bridge's character is one of his best character moments, if not the best scene in the movie. I did get tearful in the theater.
The biggest thing I got out of these movies and Indy’s character arch was that it never about the treasure, it was about the character change.
Yes. That's why the criticism that everything with the ark and the nazis would have played out the same anyway if Indy had never been involved doesn't hold up.
I would love to see you guys do one of these episodes over Obi-Wan Kenobi. Granted some of his story takes place in the tv shows but I've always thought he is such a good example of perseverance in the midst of great difficulty. He lost so much- his master, the woman he loved, the order he devoted his life to, and his best friends- yet never fell to the dark side.
I second this- especially if they look at the Clone Wars episodes! The ones with Satine, Mortis arc (since Qui-Gon is there and it's philosophical with the Force too), maybe Bounty Hunters (since he was reluctant to help the farmers while Anakin wasn't) and the arc where he goes undercover since that looks at his relationship with Anakin and the council.
Would also love to see them analyze Rex's arc too, he had so much growth and development
There’s a book called Padawan and it’s about Obi-Wan before he becomes a Jedi, struggling with learning how to be one with the force and he goes off to an uncharted planet. And his Jedi master(can never remember his name for the life of me) was supposed to go with him but managed to over sleep and Obi-Wan left without him and that’s where he learns a lot about himself and how to not only be one with the force but to care for others and teach people in the process. To be a better person basically. Obi-wan struggles a lot, but it shows that he’s human and I don’t feel like anybody talks about that book. Though I’m not entirely sure when it came out so that might have something to do with nobody talking about it
Saying as an archaeologist: Even though the Indiana Jones franchise was responsible of creating this dellusional idea of what an archaeologist does, it is quite impressive the emphasis how Indy's adventures are about discovering and re-discover himself. Even in Dial of Destiny, which I hold little regard in general, have moments that really emphasizes how our life changes over the decades and never turns exactly to what you expect, and the question lingers: Will you still be truth to yourself?
I really loved Dial personally. I cried and felt emotional many times not just because of the nerdgasm of him going to Ancient Greek and Roman sites (my dream as far as I could remember) but I loved seeing him at the end of his life.
@@acdragonrider I actually liked Dial of Destiny as well! I will say this though, I would've loved it if Mutt were still alive.
i really cannot see the big reason of why we shouldnt like the fifth movie. it had pretty much every thing that i liked about previous movies.
For people who were original fans, it really does shit on what Indiana was. @@barisbal7782
@@acdragonriderFound the Disney shill.
I genuinely enjoyed Dial of Destiny. I know it's a modern Indiana Jones movie, but I thought it was a spectacular end to the character of Indiana Jones and a beautiful homage to not just John Williams' career, but a perfect goodbye to it.
7:20 "I never told him anything... I just wasn't ready, Marcus... 5 minutes would've been enough..."
This kinda hit harder than I thought.
Punches me right in the gut every time I watch Last Crusade
@@chemistryguyDefinitely. The late Sean Connery perfectly conveys Jones Senior’s regret, wishing that he could make things right with his son one last time. It makes their reunion a few minutes later even more cathartic.
I've been a major Fan of this franchise for all my life. I wanted to become an archeologist when I was a child because of it. I've seen all the movies so often I can recite them by heart. Yet I was today years old when I found out Temple of Doom is actually a prequel to Raiders of the lost Ark
Same, I had no idea. It makes so much more sense that way! May be one reason I never cared for Temple, I didn't realize the context.
@@SqueakyTiki I think I remember it being mentioned here and there when it came out, but it definitely was not something they made a big deal of at all. That seems funny, from our perspective now. But I guess, either they thought it didn't matter THAT much, or, they thought people would get that it had to be before Raiders. Anyway, yes, I never cared for Temple either. I think listening to these guys talk about Indy's arc in it is the most I've ever appreciated it. (I don't think I'll ever love it, though. Leans too hard on the gore, for me.)
Exactly, I never knew why I disliked temple of doom so much (I thought it was his love interest)
The thing about "tonal whiplash" is that it's a good thing when it's realistic. Spielberg is a genius at realistic whiplash. It's amazing how many near-death experiences we laugh at after the fact. The "You're alive!" scene is more realistic than it seems. Indie clearly understands what they're thinking when they're staring at the tank, but he's also too exhausted to stand there explaining what he did. And his dad is acting just like an obsessed Archaeologist would be having just gotten his "dead" son back in the middle of an expedition like that.
Also, I think his hat is sapient, sentient, and alive.
Edit: I learned from my maternal grandfather that you can be tough, stoic, and invulnerable but still know who to let in, and be vulnerable to. When you are both, you become a shelter and bulwark for those you let in, and they can help repair the damages and weaknesses within.
I think you're right about the hat! There's a line in one of the novelizations, where Indiana reaches under the closing door to get his hat, something like "you should never go on an adventure without your hat." Maybe the hat has loyalty to Indy because he saves it like that. I wore a hat all the time after I read that, like carrying around a towel. You never know when you'll need your hat or towel.
I remember watching the first 3 as a kid and at school we had one of those classroom moments of "what do you want to be when you grow up?" My answer was "Indiana Jones." My teacher tried to explain to me that i couldn't choose that as a profession bc he was a character.
My answer: "whatever it is that Indiana jones does."
My mom (also a film junkie and ford fan) still finds this hilarious to this day as she tried to explain to her 2nd grade child that he is a archeologist and a "obtainer of rare antiquities" 😂 i swear my love of history comes from these movies.
It's important to note that Raiders is supposed to take place in the 1930s. Marion calling herself a "child" isn't going to mean the same thing that it does in modern day
If it were 2023, she would've left it at "I was naïve; I didn't know what I was doing"
Indy was still being a bad boyfriend, but he's not a kiddie fiddler
Exactly.
@@CinemaTherapyShow Right so it doesn't matter that he was 27 and almost 10 years her senior and clearly taking advantage of her. The only things that matter is that she was *barely* legal 🙄
I don't think it's a matter of whether it was legal or not. He mistreated her and got called out on it, and it added complexity to the more positive traits we'd seen from him. That would have been the case regardless of her exact age.
@@Asharra12 Bear in mind that in the 20s/30s, 17-18 was plenty old enough to be thinking of getting married, & most parents wouldn't have blinked at marrying their daughter off to someone 10 or more years older, as they'd consider him to likely be a good provider. Honestly, that was true of Western society right up until probably the 50s, and you can still find pockets of communities like that today. Plenty of women on both sides of my family were married to men a decade or so older, some of whom already had children from a previous marriage (or two).
Lucas: "Fifteen is right on the edge. I know it’s an outrageous idea, but it is interesting. Once she’s sixteen or seventeen it’s not interesting anymore. But if she was fifteen and he was twenty-five and they actually had an affair the last time they met."
- transcript of the 1978 story meeting, easily googlee-able, made the rounds on the internet a few years ago. I figured many of us had read it, but no one's mentioning it in this thread.
Even if you disregard the transcript as just some writers tossing out ideas, it's WEIRD to me to make the leading lady THIS ANGRY and THIS SPECIFIC that Indy did her wrong only to have it hand-waved away so easily. She could have been mad about anything less damning IF that's what the writers had decided.
Harrison Ford brought so much life to Indy. Each film deals with human problems through the most fun way-adventure.
Raiders of The Lost Ark: Never giving up in spite of what obstacles lie in your way.
Temple of Doom: Seeing your own darkness through exposure to cruelty outside of you.
The Last Crusade: Be there for the people you haven't been open with, especially your family as they get older.
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Accepting loss amd holding on to those you haven't.
Dial of Destiny: Accepting old age and learning to accept there are still people who love you at the end of your life.
Rewatching these 5 Films helped me get through 2023, where I experienced nearly all of this in some way.
(Although in no where near as badass a fashion as Indiana Jones).
Indiana Jones was a staple of my childhood. I loved watching these movies as a kid and believing I could go on adventures when I was old enough. As an adult and going back to watch them hit differently, the discovery of one's self repeatedly showed me that even as adults we still learn and grow. Becoming an adult isn't just **POOF** all the answers like I thought as a kid.
The greatest scene in cinema history between a father and a son was made with a single word: "Indiana."
I actually did enjoy Dial of Destiny. And enjoyed Crystal Skull when it came out in theaters, it was the first Indiana movie I had watched.
And I've always loved Marion, I love that they included her in her in DOD, after learning everything we learned in the course of the film about their separation it was nice to see them together.
@MarianaGarciaGrijalva Marion's huge smile in response to the "They weren't you, honey" comment reminded me of a scene in another Spielberg movie, though it was PRODUCED by him, instead of DIRECTED: "Twister". In the scene, Aunt Meg is talking to Jo about how her relationship with her soon-to-be-ex-husband has changed, over the years. She says, "He didn't keep his part of the bargain." When asked what she means by that, she replies, "To spend his life, pining for you, and die miserable and alone." Jo then questions her, "Was that so much to ask?" It's a question that was clearly on Marion's mind for the nearly two decades she and Indy were apart, while she was raising their son. He did spend all that time, pining over her, despite his other brief relationships. She was, like, "I'm really the one. I KNEW it!" (1/2/2024)
That character reveal (the 'big damn hero' moment in the mine) is my favourite character reveal in cinema history. You mentioned the strength of the punch that skids the bad guy across the floor, but you didn't mention that this punch happens OFF SCREEN. The moment is told in reactions from onlookers. Magic.
GUYS GUYS GUYS! I just wanted to say thank you for doing all what you do and I'm gonna be honest, it's been a couple weeks, but I'm back and I'm binging you're videos again. It's been a hard couple months. Love you guys❤❤
Welcome back! Sorry to hear about the hard months. We're here for you. You got this!
always good to hear😁 thank you so much!!
I always took Indy as reaching for the grail as reaching for his dad's approval as well. It was so beautifully acted. By far my favourite Indy movie.
Thank you for guiding us through his arc in all 5 films. Dial of Destiny is a flawed movie, but no other film last year made me feel the way it did, and for that reason alone it's my favorite of 2023. Beautiful ending.
My thoughts exactly! It was the only movie that got me emotional last year
Something like the scene where Indy’s father thought he had fallen off the cliff happened to me in real life. My mom was very emotionally abusive to me when I was a kid, and I genuinely thought she didn’t love me. When I was 17 I got into a terrible car accident, having flipped my tiny little car. Somehow I didn’t get seriously injured. The police had contacted my parents I saw my them arrive at the scene. My mom was looking for me frantically and when she saw me she grabbed me and hugged me tightly. She had never hugged me that I could remember, and in that moment I knew she loved me. Even 40 years later it brings me to tears.
There’s a moment (about 18:14 or 18:15 or so in this video) where Harrison Ford’s face goes from “happy to be alive” to “contented child hugging his father” that always gets me every time.
"What does that make us?"
"Big damn heros, sir."
"Ain't we just."
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A subtle reference, but you caught it.
In another universe Alan is playing Indy, because he is absolutely OWNING that outfit
I follow a few different professional reaction channels, but I think why you guys are my favorite is because you genuinely enjoy the films you guys are watching. There is always a good balance between having fun and working and that is a good message I see on this channel.
We're so glad you enjoy our videos. Thanks for watching!
What a great episode. I really appreciate the background light, making it look like light from torches.
Glad you enjoyed it!
One of my favorite Indy lines.
Dad: What about Marcus? You said he'd dissappear. Blend in.
Indy: What are you kidding? You know Marcus. He once got lost in his own museum.😂
To give him some credit lol, there are moments when Marcus is shown as a stand in father figure to Indy. Like in Raiders when he warns Indy not to get in over his head about finding the Ark considering it has a source of great power that man was not to meant to disturb, to quote Salah.
@@edwinreid8355 he also said the quest for the grail was the search for the divine in all of us.
Let's not forget that right before he met Marion nurse him, she had nailed him with a standing flip mirror.
Last Crusade is just another level of story telling. It doesn't hurt they cast Sean Connery who perfected the art of intellectual action hero. You really feel all the emotions of the characters, whether it be from Spielberg's excellent direction, the amazing acting, John Williams' exceptional score, or a combination of all 3.
I literally just watched all 5 movies for the first time last weekend, how did you know?!
Probably the tears of lost glory in the last one ruined it for you
I think you meant all 3
@@tyrael303 oh dear have I said something controversial 😅
@@alicemae451 Lol. I’m only joking with you.
Connery's "I've lost him" closeup is one of my favorite closeups in movie history. It's so simple, but damn Connery knocks it out of the park.
It says so much and so little at the same time
I love how Indy and Marion always seem to find their way back to each other it really warms my heart because I really love them together ❤I've loved the Indiana Jones movies/character since I was young ❤
I just love how these two talk about Indiana Jones effectively and with their respective expertises but there is clear nerding out, nostalgia and fangirling and I am upset by none of it!
I admit, Indiana Jones got me into anthropology and love of adventure. Not to mention one of my favorite moments at Disneyland.
Thank you I was having a similar discussion recently! Loved what you said. I would say though, that dial of destiny did re hash ALOT but its nice that Indiana can give his god-daughter the wisdom he learned the hard way about vulnerability. He wins with the illumination that the glory and sense of importance he wanted is now reflected in his friends and family. Wombat saves him because she recognizes his importance, (by being in her life), much like Indiana and his father. Marion and Sala gather around him at the end. He has learned to be vulnerable and value the people in his life.He is in fact very important, even if he felt invalidated at the beginning and wanted to stay in the past. Ps. Also nice to see a female character who isn't a love interest (though i love Marion) or villain and also loves adventure.
Also, interesting thought, that Indiana wants the cup for his Dad, never thought of it that way (love it btw, and fits) I took it as his final test, so to speak. Indiana shows how he differs from Elsa. He chooses his father over "a prize" like Elsa and does not fall in the pit. Which harkins back to your idea that indiana chooses the right thing over gold or becoming a villain. But i do love that he wants it for his dad and his Dad reciprocates with choosing him over the treasure too!
That's the entire point of the film, it's not an esoteric reading, it's pretty much directly stated...
@jackholloway1 I think both options are equally valid and pointed out in the movie. It's semantics of the sentence "I can do it , Dad!" I'm just saying where Jono read it as Indiana looking for his Dad's "approval" emotionally (by gifting him the physical cup / trophy his father has been searching for", I read the statement more literally. Indiana is "proving" he can physically achieve what Elsa couldn't and reach the cup (possibly for himself or the museum😂). Thereby validating his emotional worth. In both cases he is seeking approval and validation, and it reflects the relationship with himself and his father.
Talk about timing, my sister and I watched Dial of Destiny for the first time yesterday. Indiana Jones is indeed one of the greatest movie characters of all time.
No other duo pulls the emotions out of me like Steven Speilberg and John Williams.
I really wish the last Indy movie was a museum heist in which Indy and the new girl return the stolen artifacts to their rightful owners. Also, a lot of Harrison Ford's characters seem like predators. One sad truth Indy taught me is that the villains he fights are actual problems for historians and archaeologists even today.
I love her grin.
I was not looking forward to DoD, but I enjoyed it more than I thought. I really liked the ending.
It seems the Last Crusade was the first film to go "maybe the real treasure was the friends we made along the way". Except this time, it was family.
One of my favourite Indy being emotional scenes is in Crystal Skull and he sees Marion again and is so happy and excited (one might say as giddy as a schoolboy) then they immediately start arguing again.
I love this deep dive into Indy (also the Therapist react video). Not only does his stoic badassery make him…well, badass, but also the vulnerability. Everyone knows him about his daring adventures, but his depth and openness is, to me, what makes him so iconic and the main thing I look into when Indy is brought up. And Harrison Ford pulls and acts it off well! He looks badass without even trying and show’s vulnerability so naturally. Raiders opening is definitely a great example showing it, of course.
Indiana and Spidey are my #1 characters
Been waiting for this episode for aaaages! Glad you waited til the final film came out though, but I'm a bit surprised you didn't talk about the absolute powerhouse of subtext line in the Dial of Destiny at the end of the film that Marion delivered... it completely changes the meaning of the scene earlier in the film where Indy talks about when he would go back in time to.
"I heard you were back.... Are you back, Indy?"
The searching look, the layered hurt and pain on her face... an absolute punch in the gut masterfully delivered by Karen Allen.
Knowing Indy as well as we do at this point, and his tendency to be emotionally walled off and bail when things get tough emotionally, watching the scene on the boat with Helena back, but reversing mother and father in his retelling is likely more the truth of the matter, and what really happened with their relationship. He was completely inconsolable and shut her out because he was unequipped to handle his feelings about Mutt, and did what he always did, which was bail. He pulled the same thing on Marion after the end credits of Raiders, so it would also be an interesting flip and throwback if he had done the same thing before the opening credits of that film. Watching the film back with that idea in mind makes both of those scenes so much more powerful
Great episode. I am a delusional old dried up woman and I think all 5-yes films are great. Some better than others but still great. Indiana Jones is one of the greatest movie characters of all time. Lots of reasons why that probably is but the one main never to be debated reason why he is the greatest is because of Harrison Ford. Perfection. He was perfect in Dial of Destiny. What a great shame it is that he will never be recognized for it. I think I am going to need a lotta therapy cinema and otherwise to get over this sad truth. Even here in your comments section the snark never ends....but a tip of the fedora to Harrison Ford for all his fab work in all 5 films.❤
It's my favourite scene, too! When Short Round hands Indy his hat, you totally expect the camera to pan up. Instead, he kneels to be on Shorty's level. It's not only affection, but it shows a certain level of respect for the kid.
Wille: Now let's get out of here.
Indiana: Right. All of us.
Chills every time I hear him say that line.
I was also a little older than the kids in the movie, but I cheered the loudest when they were all fighting back. Unpopular opinion, but this is my favourite film in the franchise.
I was having a really crappy day, in pain and waiting for some medicine to do their magic, and this video took me away from it all for as long as it lasted. Spielberg was my childhood. Thank you.
Despite their flaws (and, from a certain view, being unnecessary), I still like Crystal Skull and Dial of Destiny.
My dad and I love watching the Indiana Jones movies together!! It never fails to make us laugh and we always point out the iffy physics together. Great episode today and happy new year to y’all!
Hi, one of the aforementioned people who commented about the Indy/Marion age difference in the older video here! Not trying to cancel you guys I love your channel and I think diving into the power dynamics in age gap relationships would be really interesting!
Let's remember that at the time of their initial affair Indy is in his late 20s and is a relatively well-established academic who works with her father. I don't think this negates any of the points made here - it was in Indy's "detatched" phase - but I still think it's important to acknowledge that while technically legal, it's still not exactly an appropriate relationship until Marion has some life experience and Indy's no longer in a position of power in relation to her.
100%
Well said!
It reminds me of a bad relationship I had in college. I was 18 and he was 23. After we broke up he started dating another 18-year-old. A year later he was dating another 18-year-old, then another. From what they said, he didn't treat them any better than he had treated me. By then our mutual friends had figure out the pattern. He wanted girlfriends that were significantly less mature and experienced than he was because that made it easier to manipulate them into believing he wasn't really the jerk that people his own age recognized him to be. But just because he was a self-serving, inconsiderate person, that doesn't mean he was a criminal. That's why he always dated girls that were exactly 18; young enough to take advantage of youth and relative naivety, but without crossing the line into illegality.
One of my favorite memories was seeing The Last Crusade with my father when I was about ten years old. I miss him so much.
Anna, the one who works on the captions :))
Thank you for the captions. I really really appreciate it, I'm not hard of hearing or deaf but the captions really help me process the video. Thank you again, you're awesome
What I found in The Last Crusade, is that is also about accepting. Totally agree with you on the reaching the Grail scene, that he's reaching for his dad. I would say he's reaching for the idea of healing their relationship through the Grail. When he finally will have the Grail, he will finally satisfy his father, who wants it. But when he looks at him and hear him say: "Indiana, let it go." he realises that his dad doesn't really want the Grail, he wants his son. And I would say, that it's been like that all along, 'cause his father never put the Holy Grail above Indiana, he just didn't show his love to him in the way Indiana wanted. So in the end yes, it's about the father who must find his way to his son, but mainly, it's about the son who must accept the reality of things, that his dad just loves this holy quest of the Grail and he will never show him love the way that Indiana wants to, but in his own strange unique way, through his passion of the searching for Grail. So he accepts him, starts to love him for what he is. After all it's an Indiana Jones movie, we see all through his eyes mostly, so the character of the dad don't have to learn anything (putting it harshly), we as an audience must learn with and through the character of Indiana Jones. (I never really realised what Holy Grail meant for Indiana, and now I realised thanks to this video, so thank you. :) )
You guys make my world so much better. Off to rewatch all the Indy movies now. Thank you, Internet Dads!
I’ve not seen dial of destiny but that scene destroyed me just now 😭
What a lovely call back at the end. I need to watch all 5 in a marathon now.
Indiana Jones inspired me to persue an education. I was always going to, but these movies make me YEARN for leaning and take in the wonder of the world. Searching for meaning and understanding. Im now working on becoming a nurse and, for better or worse, I have these movies to thank for that (and my mom and grandma for getting me the box set when I was 8. I watched then every week and never got tired of them.)
An early version of the script said that Marion was 15 at the time of their affair, but taking the ages of the actors in 1981, then subtracting ten years, they were 19 and 29 at the time of their earlier affair. It's still inappropriate because at 29, having Abner as his mentor, he would have at least been grad student assistant professor having an affair with someone who, most likely, was a student.
I agree that the best moment of Crystal Skull is that interchange in the truck, where Indy says, "They all had the same problem...They weren't you, Honey." I have used that line when trying to reconcile with a former girlfriend, and it worked. Well, for about five years, anyway.
I try to watch you guys at night because the warm fuzzies I get from your show relax me, but then I'm riveted by the show itself and can't sleep! And THEN, you make me cry! Help!
Please do video essays on the following:
-Dracula Untold
-Thank you for your Service
-The Covenant
-Spider-Man: Across the Spider-verse
-John Wick series
-Pete Mitchell from Top Gun
Yes for all of them, especially John Wick!
I have been a costume designer for 10+ years and you are KILLING IT in there ! I was so happy to see you both in costume, keep doing that sometimes yeah ?
I love these movies. All of them. They mean a lot to me. Got a fedora and whip tattoo last year
I'm a long time Indiana Jones fan. The thing I like about him is the imperfection. Yeah he's smart and a badass, but things go wrong...all the time. But scrapes by somehow. So relatable. Great example is in the first movie: jumps to grab the weed, makes it, but then it slips further down. And his expression. Yep.
Growing up Temple of Doom was my favorite Indiana Jones movie. I think I finally realized why thanks to you guys.
So uh… thanks!
You're welcome!
However you feel about the rest of the movie, the scene where Indy talks about his sons death in the military is really heartbreaking
Last month, my mother, 83, found once again "the most beautiful painting of her life" and is now selling it to a big museum. She spent the whole afternoon showing me pictures, talking about the search, surrounded by my kids, asking her to play with them, but just engrossed with her discovery, and blind to everything around. I know some people are unable of the arc of IJ Senior. It's ok. I no longer mourn it. But your video is a bliss. Thank you so much. ( and sorry for the bad English, as I'm French)
I am one of the few people I suppose who adored the fifth film. I love it so much even now
I know you guys don’t do shows often but watching you guys explore the trauma in The Last of Us would be a great learning opportunity. From Joel to Ellie and growing up in different worlds, there’s a lot I’d love to watch you unpack.
It honestly feels like most of the hate for Kingdom of the Crystal Skull just stems from “They did aliens” and little to nothing else.
I LOVED Kingdom of the Crystal Skull!
That and the ants. *shudder*
There's some very bad cgi in that one, tbf. Shia and the monkeys defying physics, for example.
I guess that felt more damning because the original trilogy has such amazing practical setpieces. Perhaps that gave us unfairly high expectations, but I can't watch those scenes without feeling the disappointment again 😕
it was a good movie with bad scenes. but by no means a bad movie. story may not be shine when we compare it to the other ones. but its comedy and action sequences are actually my favorite among the entire franchise.
@@fredreindlsecondbreakfast5522so did I! Warts and all
The scene reaching for the Grail... Just realizing he's literally become an extension of his father to reach his father's goals... And the father refuses to sacrifice his son to obtain it. My God 😢
You guys are awesome. I keep watching your videos on repeat and it's helped me so much in the last year, I'm pumped to see this 4hours from release, thank you for all you do x
It is WILD that originally there was an idea to make Marion 12 when Indiana originally took advantage of her and Spielberg pushed for her age to be upped to 15. It's equally wild that if was considered no longer interesting if she had been older than 15 as if 16 or 17 or even 18 with that much of an age gap is no longer creepy. I'm glad her age was ret conned but the thinking at the time is horrifying.
Hey, I don’t know if either of you guys are doctor who fans, but if you are familiar with the character, I think doing the psychology of a hero or something on the new 14th doctor specials would be really cool! They unpack a lot of the Doctor’s trauma and regrets during the specials in particular so it seems like it would work quite well.
I would love to see them look at Vincent and the doctor, that episode legit changed my life
The subject of vulnerability keeps coming up the last several days for me in my life and this episode really had me in my feels as a result. Thank you for giving such a beautiful insight to a character who I’ve held in my heart since my childhood and fleshing him out in a way that I can relate to now as an adult ❤
Not gonna lie, for years I've said Crystal Skull was a better Indiana Jones movie than Temple of Doom because ToD wasn't even an Indiana Jones movie. They just took some action movie script then slapped the name Indiana Jones on it. We went from "It belongs in a museum" to "Fortune and glory". I never saw it as the same character. But when you rearrange the chronology, it works so much better. You guys are amazing.
Having never seen the Indiana Jones movies, what order would be best to watch it in?
I really loved your analysis on Indy‘s character in Temple of doom. That makes a lot of sense now. By the way Temple of doom is my favorite Indiana Jones movie and it gets a lot of hate and I don’t understand why. It is a darker Indiana Jones film but it’s so well done
It’s the racist portrayals and the screamy main-lady, as a movie with 0 context temple of doom is a good action adventure story, but the romance part is not good, and the really one-note characterisations of anyone who isn’t the white main characters is disappointing and uncomfortable for most people who don’t like it.
I’m sure the darker and more violent tone does play a factor in some people not liking it, it’s never great to see your heroic protagonist punch a child, even if he’s possessed.
There’s definitely much more racist movies out there, but of the 3 Indiana Jones original movies, it’s definitely the one with the most uncomfortable context. Kingdom of the crystal skull and the mummy 2 both had this weird moment of like Pygmy zombie native cannibals, which would probably feel similarly insulting if it wasn’t so batshit crazy.
I took a class in college from Karen Allen! She was great!
Nice!
the therapy dads doing an indiana jones video? the best christmas gift ive ever received.
Happy New Year! (Love the hats!)
Also, I just realized if you were Cinema Buddies Therapy, you'd be an acronym for CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy).
I…. I never realized Temple of Doom was meant to be chronologically prior to Raiders. That recontextualization will really help me enjoy the film in the future. Because I always hated how much worse of a person Indie is in Temple. Now it makes sense to me. Huh.
To go with your point with Indy being vulnerable in that scene of Dial of Destiny with his goddaughter, he’s being vulnerable with her because he’s seeing himself 30 years ago in Temple of Doom. Someone self serving, selling artifacts to crooks for profits, even taking on a kid sidekick because he’s useful to her. His arc in showing his vulnerability serves her arc so she can begin to change and then save Indy when he wants to run away to the past.
This was such a beautiful analysis! I had no idea about the order of the first three and how much that changes his character arch
Not sure if you've already done this one but I think it would be cool to do The Adventures of Tintin (the Unicorn one with pirates and stuff). Just a thought. Love your content!!!