Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 01:20 - Fanged Wyvern 03:07 - Thief Wyvern 07:49 - Grand Claw Wyvern 11:19 - Mono-Genus Superfamilies 13:45 - Outro Notes: - All taxonomic names are made up by me. - The Placement of the Wulg is pretty inconsistent. Its inclusion as a Grand Claw Wyvern in this video is based on the MHRise Phylogeny, the newest one we have, which changed it compared to the Iceborne one. - Viper Kadachi kinda just went missing but yes he obviously exists and is a subspecies of the Tobi Kadachi Genus. Sources: Hunter's Encyclopedia 3 Monster Hunter Illustrations 2 Monster Hunter World Complete Works Dive to Monster Hunter: Iceborne Monster Hunter Rise Official Setting Materials
I wish your video would have mentioned Akantor and Ukanlos as creatures that blur the line between standard wyverns and Fanged wyverns, a sort of bridge between the two groups. EDIT: After all, those two giants are four-legged, with strong front limbs, a tail and are flightless.
@@brandonhiatt2546 The only real way to justify them is to say they came from heavily embellished and/or unreliable sources to try and demystify them as half the things some of them do are downright implausible
for me, zinogres are like super invasive species because after they came down from the misty peaks, they just multiply super fast then spread all over the world.
as Much I like to say that we need to know more tbh. Zingore's are more like wandering shoguns exploring the landscape. Misty Peaks was its throne, it's home. I wonder if Zingore's actually use Raths like how wolves would use crows and ravens for food or even a good fight. We see Jinouga (original name) observing the skies in portable 3rd when he sees the elder dragon Amatsumagatsuchi, he wants to challange the elder dragon, he glows and tries to get it's attention but the elder dragon continues. I hope in wilds we get to see more behavior patterns that reflect this, because to me like how Devilijo is the devourer, Jinouga is the Challanger. A wandering samurai wanting to test himself and his blade against any welcoming challanger. I can go on sorry.
@@papiwulfe8485 Scorned Magnamalo is easily elder dragon level and the only reason it isn’t among the “deviants” is because it was in Rise and not Gen Ult. I mean it has the exact same backstory as Bloodbath Diablos. And a normal, old-world Zinogre was pressing it.
Odogaron became my favorite. I love hunting him and Ebony too. I got it down to a science where it feels like we’re dancing. Haha also rip Viper Tobi got no mention lol
I never realized magnamalo was classified as fanged wyvern in my playthrough, goes to show how much of this stuff goes over my head when hunting. Glad you're here to educate me on everything the games don't explicitly shout at me. TheMoreYouKnow/10
I always thought of Tobi as "Zinogre Lite", since they're both thunder-based Fanged Wyverns, and Zinogre came first. Tobi does have a good design, and has the whole "flying squirrel" bit to distinguish itself.
Fanged Wyverns are ny second favorite Monster Class after the Flying Wyverns. God am I glad that Zinogre is not the ONLY one anymore (love the doggo but you can admit I'm right).
I almost feel like Jagras is an invasive species in the old world. Hard to get rid of the regular ones, but they either get culled by the guild before they reach the level of Great Jagras or local competition keeps any from getting too big
Just realized that Mangamolo is probably softly inspired by Hunters. Mangamolo are judged for how good quality Their armor is, while in-world Hunters are judged for how hard Their armor was to craft
Zinogre is my personal favorite fanged wyvern but they are really good. I have to say that I also really love the wulgs, they are just so silly and cute but also still threatening, being one of the few small monsters that can actually pin you.
Have you thought of what to do with smaller monster classes like amphibians, herbivores and snake- and piscine wyverns? Maybe an episode called "smaller classes of Monster hunter"? Also which class are you doing next?
@@xuanluu4873 I feel like there's too much on land for a definitive ruler. Goss Harag and Rajang are strong, sure, but they have to contend with the likes of Deviljho, Brachydios, and Zinogre
Gotta love the Genus names you give them (if they're not from Capcom). I guess Shamos' "Magnoculi" comes from "magna" and "oculi", basically meaning big eyes? So neat!
Very interesting video. Honestly I really like that they've expanded the fanged wyverns the last couple of games. I hope to see Odogaron and Dodogama again, it is my favorite fanged wyverns. It would also be nice to see more of them being pack monsters so they could compliment the 'raptors', like Great Izuchi, as early game encounters. I like the idea of the Jagras and Girros as pack monsters but I wasn't a fan of Great Jagras, Great Girros is awesome. Shame we didn't get a Great Shamos or Great Wulg, the latter would have been really neat.
I love the semi-scientific classification system Monster Hunter and its fandom has developed. They may even have real-life parallels. The Fanged Wyverns are basically the synapsids, or "mammal-like dinosaurs". In our world, the survivors after the end of the Permian period - at which point they were replaced by the therapsids, or true dinosaurs - eventually evolved into mammals. Meanwhile, the Fanged Wyverns are synapsids that never went extinct, and ended up leaning further into being like mammals without actually becoming them. It seems like most of them evolved in a manner similar to wolves - whether it be the Thief Wyverns' pack structure or Zinogre & Lunagaron's overall appearance and love of howling. Magnamalo is the only one we know of that went the "cat" route. Also, I realized why Lunagaron can appear in any environment in Rise except the Lava Caverns and Sandy Plains - it requires at least some degree of airborne moisture to live comfortably - the hotter the environment, the more moisture it needs to stay there. The Jungle, being a jungle, has plenty of moisture for Lunagaron to breathe in and cool itself with in spite of the heat. But the Sandy Plains is a hot, arid place, so it has little if any airborne moisture for Lunagaron to use. One COULD make an argument for Lunagaron being able to hang out in the watery areas of the Lava Caverns, as you can find Tetranadon, the spongy Ludroths and the cave-loving Khezu there. But I suspect there are way too many fire-wielding competitors for its comfort, especially the Raknas, Teostra and Magma Almudron.
@@bri1085 not really. It just means some of them never changed. We still have reptiles despite the fact that birds and mammals exist, this would just imply Fanged Beasts split off from the main synapsid line and evolved alongside them
I love these videos, they almost feel like a real documentary i'd watch on TV. But i also kinda have a bias towards videos where the chonky boi makes an appearance.
i would love to see a fanged wyvern skeleton rig elder dragon, also a fanged wyvern with actual wings, and also that first thing but also with wings. why not.
Personally I would like to see Zinogre, Magnamalo and Girros alongside Akantor and Ukanlos being put in its own group together, as they have sprawling leg morphology rather then erect leg morphology that the other members of the fanged wyvern suborder have. I do also want pseudo flying wyvern to became a group as well, but I do think Akantor and Ukanlos are likely not in this group and fit the hypothetical sprawling fanged wyvern group instead. Also thank you for having custom subtitles, videos like this with scientific terms are some of the few that autogenerated subtitles aren't the best for.
@@kennethsatria6607 I am interpreting Magnamalo and Zinogre arm blades as repurposed wing fingers which would result in them having much more prominent and developed wing fingers then Akantor and Ukanlos, with Ukanlos having just a nub remaining of its ancestor's wings. It is also worth noting you could fit the fanged wyvern group inside the pseudo wyvern group if you wanted.
Many other monster categories are much smaller like with the snake wyverns and the wingdrakes, you’ll probably start the the big popular monster times outta the way before tackling least explored monsters. But I would put snake wyverns and wingdrakes into one video in the near future
Yeah he's probably have to mash the smaller categories together in order to make a decently long video. Wingdrakes + Snake Wyverns, Piscine Wyverns + Amphibians, Temnocerans + Carapaceons, and that would still be a pretty short video lol
i wanted to say one thing i believe your one of the best people that talk about lore and bioliogy of monster hunter khowing that game theorys will never talk about it heck the only time matpat evan menciend monster hunter is that time he speculated that capcom would combine forces with sony or nintendo i just wish there was more people like you that give some cool in lore intake of biology and interesting theorys about monster hunter
Great video, love it for all your content. Minor thing for the future- isn't the plural of "genus" "genera"? Also given latin, pretty sure the "ch" in Saurischia makes a K sound.
8:50 Are you not listing subspecies anymore? In the Brute W. Video, you also left out the Raging Brachydios in your script, which is weird since you've included every subspecies, variant and whatnot for all monsters. Sorry, I just find it a bit jarring.
You must be thinking of the main documentary series. In the Phylogeny series, I have always skimmed over Monster Variations since a) variants/deviants/apexes do not matter to a phylogeny as they are generally assumed to not be genetically distinct and b) listing subspecies would be redundant as they are just in the same slot as the Genus. I generally just show subspecies interspersed in the footage, which is also the case here (except Viper Tobi, I just outright forgot him and will add him in the Compilation release).
No ancient species that gave us the Fang wyverns? Well I figured it what is new so Capcom probably didn't think of an ancient ancestor to us like the Flying, Piscine, and Bird wyverns
So I have a few thoughts on fanged wyverns, first I like to think that fanged wyvern are the synapsids of the monster hunter world and both them and fanged beasts likely have a common ancestor just like how real synapsids gave rise to mammels Second, why the hell don't we have a great wulg, seriously I love icebornes roaster but a great wulg would have made a fantastic low teir, it's the one time I want a small monster to have a great or drome, And finally I personally feel like the thief fanged wyverns should get reclassified as amphibians, the seem much more related to them being lizards and toads then they are to the other fanged wyvern with seem more like mammel like reptiles
I know it's your opinion but I highly disagree with that last part. The game series only have 3 amphibians and they all share the same amphibian class traits; frog-like Shape and strong forelegs. I do think some thief wyverns and amphibians may have had a common ancestor as to some of them share the same bellie expansion technique.
@@jorgemedrano1764 we can agree to disagree, always good to have healthy discussion, I've always looked at fanged wyvern as the synapsids of the MH world while Ampibions are the frogs/taods/lizards/turtles of the world and so the thief wyvern fit the bill to me, you even said some of them likely share a common ancestor, we can have Mutiple skeletons in the same class just look a true and Psudo flying wyverns, plus I think it's fair to say the in universe scientists of the monster hunter world mabye don't have all the facts and are probably getting some things wrong, just look at the evolution of how we have look at dinosaurs over the last couple hundred years as our understanding changed, we went from dump slow tail dragging cold blooded brutes to fast active warm blooded and likely featherd animals, so a lot can change
I think it'd be better to just make more amphibian monsters that aren't as froglike It can be done, just keep them quadrupeds and water based with smooth skin instead of scales and we're good to go
@@kennethsatria6607 that's also a fair way to put it, turtles would be a good way to go, some like like a proper alligator snapping turtle monster would be awesome to see
@@kennethsatria6607 tetranodon it's the only one of of the 3 that has a turtle-like shape, cuz zamtrios and tetsucabra are frog-like, but I do agree that having more would be cool as well as the idea of flying beast.
Viper its pretty much a tobi that left the forest. In iceborne viper can't really withstand the cold temperatures, that's why he spends most of his time underground. This is also why he acquired new abilities. He poisons and paralyzes its prey so that he can go to the underground as quick as possible.
It’s the obvious pick, but I don’t care Zinogre is my favorite though I also really like both Garon’s. I’m actually not a fan of Magnamalo, It’s overdesigned IMO.
In our evolution they would likely be lumped with stem mammals. But in MH they're dinosaurs. :D Also because of that I refuse to believe any that have fur have actual fur. Realistically its more likely a type of feather or feather-like structure. Nargacuga while a different type of wyvern is listed as having fur yet on closer inspection they're feathers especially its quills and its wing blades are made of hardened feathers.
It’s funny that you give attention to all of the fanged wyvern‘s except the Viper Tobi-Kadachi. To me it kind of implies that you don’t like him. otherwise you would talk about it. but to be fair, I don’t know you so I can’t be 100% sure however I feel confident in my claim. Me personally I think he’s fine but i’m somebody who appreciates definitive order. If you would have mentioned the Viper Tobi-Kadachi the same way you did with odogaron, zinogre & magnamalo this would have been perfect but instead it’s just really good. 8 out of 10 video ecology for me.
But why talk about the other subspecies, yeah they can juse the Dragon Element, but then you dont mention it with Magnamalo? Then why even include him and why dont you mention Viper Tobi-Kadachi? Its a bit irritating
@@LordMeepel That, and Scorned Magnamalos are the only ones of their kind capable of using Dragon element, and it only gets that ability if it manages to chow down on an elder dragon...allegedly.
I'm not the biggest fan of these videos as it doesn't make sense to the real world. As a wulg along with odogaron and lunagaron. Are clearly mammals especially the wulg.
Chief do you have -200 IQ saying malzeno and velkhana are related where do you get this from and saying this you the type of person to say that diablos should be classified as a brute wyvern
@@RSA91There are relatives. If you look at their beak structure along with tailwings, similar behaviour, hornstructure, scaleshape, and their enraged metamorph ability, you can see some resemblance. They're probably related in a similar way that dromeosaurs and birds are related.
In my opinion, Magnamalo is the only bad flagship monster, and I hope they leave him away from the main series, he looks so unrealistic (between the bounds of MH) and Frontierlike, I also disllike Almudron and Somnacanth for the same reasons, I could maybe give a second chance to Somnacanth since it is the least unrealistic of them. And although I believe that Valstrax looks cool, I also dislike it being a part of the MH roster, it is just too out there, it just brings back my disbelief when I see his rockets, is just too much. It kinda happens the same with the Charge blade, my mind hardly accepted the switch axe and then they came up with the charge blade which is even more unrealistic (again, even between the bounds of the fantasy world of MH). I hope the new main MH title brings the franchise back to earth.
Are you shitting me? Did you start with world or what? Realism is out of the question when literally elder dragons are a thing in this game. You don’t bat an eye at Kirin whom literally teleports, same with Malzeno, you have the entire black dragon trio, you have a giant snake the size of a mountain, but somehow the line is crossed with only a handful of designs that you cherry pick as “unrealistic”. “Frontierlike” good lord let’s keep you away from the franchise instead. Almudron looks more unrealistic than something like Zinogre or Brachydios???? Nobody on Capcom cares about your suspension of disbelief especially when you as the hunter can survive a 100m fall without damage. This game series is clearly not for you when you want to bitch and moan about realism. Your definition of out of bounds of the mh franchise is all bullshit. Valstrax is just as grounded as Xenojiva. What a load of crap. You want something more down to earth, go back to base World. The fantasy’s designs are what makes it unique.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
01:20 - Fanged Wyvern
03:07 - Thief Wyvern
07:49 - Grand Claw Wyvern
11:19 - Mono-Genus Superfamilies
13:45 - Outro
Notes:
- All taxonomic names are made up by me.
- The Placement of the Wulg is pretty inconsistent. Its inclusion as a Grand Claw Wyvern in this video is based on the MHRise Phylogeny, the newest one we have, which changed it compared to the Iceborne one.
- Viper Kadachi kinda just went missing but yes he obviously exists and is a subspecies of the Tobi Kadachi Genus.
Sources:
Hunter's Encyclopedia 3
Monster Hunter Illustrations 2
Monster Hunter World Complete Works
Dive to Monster Hunter: Iceborne
Monster Hunter Rise Official Setting Materials
Thanks For these bro!🎉🎉🎉🎉
I wish your video would have mentioned Akantor and Ukanlos as creatures that blur the line between standard wyverns and Fanged wyverns, a sort of bridge between the two groups.
EDIT: After all, those two giants are four-legged, with strong front limbs, a tail and are flightless.
I DARE you to find the science and way to anatomically explain Frontier Monsters!
@@brandonhiatt2546 The only real way to justify them is to say they came from heavily embellished and/or unreliable sources to try and demystify them as half the things some of them do are downright implausible
Faresti altri video
for me, zinogres are like super invasive species because after they came down from the misty peaks, they just multiply super fast then spread all over the world.
They're probably omnivorous, too.
as Much I like to say that we need to know more tbh. Zingore's are more like wandering shoguns exploring the landscape. Misty Peaks was its throne, it's home. I wonder if Zingore's actually use Raths like how wolves would use crows and ravens for food or even a good fight. We see Jinouga (original name) observing the skies in portable 3rd when he sees the elder dragon Amatsumagatsuchi, he wants to challange the elder dragon, he glows and tries to get it's attention but the elder dragon continues. I hope in wilds we get to see more behavior patterns that reflect this, because to me like how Devilijo is the devourer, Jinouga is the Challanger. A wandering samurai wanting to test himself and his blade against any welcoming challanger. I can go on sorry.
Please keep going, i wanna know more about you perspective@@papiwulfe8485
@@papiwulfe8485 Scorned Magnamalo is easily elder dragon level and the only reason it isn’t among the “deviants” is because it was in Rise and not Gen Ult. I mean it has the exact same backstory as Bloodbath Diablos.
And a normal, old-world Zinogre was pressing it.
Odogaron became my favorite. I love hunting him and Ebony too. I got it down to a science where it feels like we’re dancing. Haha also rip Viper Tobi got no mention lol
I never realized magnamalo was classified as fanged wyvern in my playthrough, goes to show how much of this stuff goes over my head when hunting.
Glad you're here to educate me on everything the games don't explicitly shout at me.
TheMoreYouKnow/10
What you think he was? I’m curious lol
@@oeeo6thealatreon118 Elder dragon? I mean it certainly feels like one, especially Scorned
@@steve4728 I definitely can see why elder dragon would be your first thought lol
@Steve that was my first thought too but a quick look through the the hunter's note on the game will tell you what kind of monster it is
@@oeeo6thealatreon118 fanged beast, I just saw his face and it clicked
Tobi is still my favourite fanged wyvern, top tier design, love that thunder squirrel.
I always thought of Tobi as "Zinogre Lite", since they're both thunder-based Fanged Wyverns, and Zinogre came first. Tobi does have a good design, and has the whole "flying squirrel" bit to distinguish itself.
It'd hard to pick a favorite fanged Wyvern, they are all so cool and well thought out. It's definitely a tie between Lunagaron and Magnamallow.
Magnamalo*
It was easy for me.
Tobi kadachi. Since his introduction he's always my first challenge in game.
And the design just speaks for itself.
Okay that spelling had me thinking of a Magnamalo made of Marshmallows
or maybe like he could toast them on his back spines hehe
I spelled Magnamalo wrong on purpose, it's my pet name for him.
@@twitch6260 oh lol
Fanged Wyverns are ny second favorite Monster Class after the Flying Wyverns.
God am I glad that Zinogre is not the ONLY one anymore (love the doggo but you can admit I'm right).
I almost feel like Jagras is an invasive species in the old world. Hard to get rid of the regular ones, but they either get culled by the guild before they reach the level of Great Jagras or local competition keeps any from getting too big
Just realized that Mangamolo is probably softly inspired by Hunters. Mangamolo are judged for how good quality Their armor is, while in-world Hunters are judged for how hard Their armor was to craft
This so far is the best wyvern video you've ever made well done Oceaniz oh and my fav fanged wyvern is the zinogre
Zinogre is my personal favorite fanged wyvern but they are really good. I have to say that I also really love the wulgs, they are just so silly and cute but also still threatening, being one of the few small monsters that can actually pin you.
Have you thought of what to do with smaller monster classes like amphibians, herbivores and snake- and piscine wyverns? Maybe an episode called "smaller classes of Monster hunter"? Also which class are you doing next?
I think that might be how I have to do it. Next are Fanged Beasts!
@@Oceaniz Since you described in this video how Wyverns rule the sky, would Fanged Beasts then rule the land?
@@xuanluu4873 I feel like there's too much on land for a definitive ruler. Goss Harag and Rajang are strong, sure, but they have to contend with the likes of Deviljho, Brachydios, and Zinogre
I love how in depth you go! I've been watching all of your stuff lately, and I just love it so much
Magnamallo: FANGED WYVERNS CANT FLY HUH?!?
Well..
Technically he just jumps multiple times in the air so no flying lmao
...Amazing.
Forever until the Sunbreak, the best Monster Class:)
I love your MH documentaries. I'd listen to you do ones for IRL animals, too! Commenting for the alg
Gotta love the Genus names you give them (if they're not from Capcom).
I guess Shamos' "Magnoculi" comes from "magna" and "oculi", basically meaning big eyes? So neat!
All me!
@@Oceaniz Wow, the effort you put into these videos is absolutely mental, keep it up!
I do hope you do a elder dragon ecology vid.. because I mean, they do have classifications, so it would be really cool to see!
Magnamalo as a monster 😊
Magnamalo as a boss fight 😊
Magnamalo as a MH monster ☠
Very interesting video. Honestly I really like that they've expanded the fanged wyverns the last couple of games. I hope to see Odogaron and Dodogama again, it is my favorite fanged wyverns. It would also be nice to see more of them being pack monsters so they could compliment the 'raptors', like Great Izuchi, as early game encounters. I like the idea of the Jagras and Girros as pack monsters but I wasn't a fan of Great Jagras, Great Girros is awesome. Shame we didn't get a Great Shamos or Great Wulg, the latter would have been really neat.
yesss!!!
Have been waiting forthis so long!
Love it man
I love the semi-scientific classification system Monster Hunter and its fandom has developed. They may even have real-life parallels.
The Fanged Wyverns are basically the synapsids, or "mammal-like dinosaurs". In our world, the survivors after the end of the Permian period - at which point they were replaced by the therapsids, or true dinosaurs - eventually evolved into mammals. Meanwhile, the Fanged Wyverns are synapsids that never went extinct, and ended up leaning further into being like mammals without actually becoming them. It seems like most of them evolved in a manner similar to wolves - whether it be the Thief Wyverns' pack structure or Zinogre & Lunagaron's overall appearance and love of howling. Magnamalo is the only one we know of that went the "cat" route.
Also, I realized why Lunagaron can appear in any environment in Rise except the Lava Caverns and Sandy Plains - it requires at least some degree of airborne moisture to live comfortably - the hotter the environment, the more moisture it needs to stay there. The Jungle, being a jungle, has plenty of moisture for Lunagaron to breathe in and cool itself with in spite of the heat. But the Sandy Plains is a hot, arid place, so it has little if any airborne moisture for Lunagaron to use. One COULD make an argument for Lunagaron being able to hang out in the watery areas of the Lava Caverns, as you can find Tetranadon, the spongy Ludroths and the cave-loving Khezu there. But I suspect there are way too many fire-wielding competitors for its comfort, especially the Raknas, Teostra and Magma Almudron.
Don't fanged beats kind of undermine this point, being very mammalian design wise.
@@bri1085 not really. It just means some of them never changed. We still have reptiles despite the fact that birds and mammals exist, this would just imply Fanged Beasts split off from the main synapsid line and evolved alongside them
I love these videos, they almost feel like a real documentary i'd watch on TV.
But i also kinda have a bias towards videos where the chonky boi makes an appearance.
i would love to see a fanged wyvern skeleton rig elder dragon, also a fanged wyvern with actual wings, and also that first thing but also with wings. why not.
Thanks for showing me that I'm so interested in ecology, I'm not very good at it but it's an awesome thing to behold!
Tobi-Kadachi and Odogaron are my first favourites. First fanged wyverns I ever fought!
Personally I would like to see Zinogre, Magnamalo and Girros alongside Akantor and Ukanlos being put in its own group together, as they have sprawling leg morphology rather then erect leg morphology that the other members of the fanged wyvern suborder have.
I do also want pseudo flying wyvern to became a group as well, but I do think Akantor and Ukanlos are likely not in this group and fit the hypothetical sprawling fanged wyvern group instead.
Also thank you for having custom subtitles, videos like this with scientific terms are some of the few that autogenerated subtitles aren't the best for.
I dunno they feel like Psudeo wyverns to me, kind of sticks out from the fanged wyverns who have almost no sign of wyvern type wings
@@kennethsatria6607 In fairness the do kind of have vestigial wing nubs.
@@kennethsatria6607 I am interpreting Magnamalo and Zinogre arm blades as repurposed wing fingers which would result in them having much more prominent and developed wing fingers then Akantor and Ukanlos, with Ukanlos having just a nub remaining of its ancestor's wings.
It is also worth noting you could fit the fanged wyvern group inside the pseudo wyvern group if you wanted.
Love your videos man!😊😊
Been waiting for this one 🤝
Find it weird how long it took to add another Fanged Wyvern after Zinogre
that starting son is fire
When i first heard the term "Fanged Wyvern", i speculated it to be a hybrid between a Fanged Beast & a Wyvern.
Many other monster categories are much smaller like with the snake wyverns and the wingdrakes, you’ll probably start the the big popular monster times outta the way before tackling least explored monsters. But I would put snake wyverns and wingdrakes into one video in the near future
Yeah he's probably have to mash the smaller categories together in order to make a decently long video. Wingdrakes + Snake Wyverns, Piscine Wyverns + Amphibians, Temnocerans + Carapaceons, and that would still be a pretty short video lol
I can't wait for the Fanged Beast video.
I hope they notice this group is a great mess of classification, such as Elder Dragons.
No videos about piscine wyvern?
i wanted to say one thing i believe your one of the best people that talk about lore and bioliogy of monster hunter khowing that game theorys will never talk about it heck the only time matpat evan menciend monster hunter is that time he speculated that capcom would combine forces with sony or nintendo i just wish there was more people like you that give some cool in lore intake of biology and interesting theorys about monster hunter
Certified Wyvern Classic
Since we didn't have a graphic for Tobi-Kadachi, (and sadly forgot Viper all together) what would there species names be?
Crazy idea for the phylogeny series: lynians and humanoids(humans, wyvernians, trovians, etc.)
an elder dragon will be so great, hoping we get it
Great video, love it for all your content.
Minor thing for the future- isn't the plural of "genus" "genera"?
Also given latin, pretty sure the "ch" in Saurischia makes a K sound.
Tobi Kadachi is the best fanged wyvern for me
What next monster family will be discussed next?
What happened to Viper Tobi-Kadachi? You mentioned Ebony Odogaron.
8:50 Are you not listing subspecies anymore? In the Brute W. Video, you also left out the Raging Brachydios in your script, which is weird since you've included every subspecies, variant and whatnot for all monsters.
Sorry, I just find it a bit jarring.
You must be thinking of the main documentary series. In the Phylogeny series, I have always skimmed over Monster Variations since a) variants/deviants/apexes do not matter to a phylogeny as they are generally assumed to not be genetically distinct and b) listing subspecies would be redundant as they are just in the same slot as the Genus. I generally just show subspecies interspersed in the footage, which is also the case here (except Viper Tobi, I just outright forgot him and will add him in the Compilation release).
I love both odogarons
No ancient species that gave us the Fang wyverns? Well I figured it what is new so Capcom probably didn't think of an ancient ancestor to us like the Flying, Piscine, and Bird wyverns
I'm guessing there's no Great Jagras in the old world is probably because they're outcompeted by the Raptor wyverns cause they don't pack hunt.
So I have a few thoughts on fanged wyverns, first I like to think that fanged wyvern are the synapsids of the monster hunter world and both them and fanged beasts likely have a common ancestor just like how real synapsids gave rise to mammels
Second, why the hell don't we have a great wulg, seriously I love icebornes roaster but a great wulg would have made a fantastic low teir, it's the one time I want a small monster to have a great or drome,
And finally I personally feel like the thief fanged wyverns should get reclassified as amphibians, the seem much more related to them being lizards and toads then they are to the other fanged wyvern with seem more like mammel like reptiles
I know it's your opinion but I highly disagree with that last part. The game series only have 3 amphibians and they all share the same amphibian class traits; frog-like Shape and strong forelegs. I do think some thief wyverns and amphibians may have had a common ancestor as to some of them share the same bellie expansion technique.
@@jorgemedrano1764 we can agree to disagree, always good to have healthy discussion, I've always looked at fanged wyvern as the synapsids of the MH world while Ampibions are the frogs/taods/lizards/turtles of the world and so the thief wyvern fit the bill to me, you even said some of them likely share a common ancestor, we can have Mutiple skeletons in the same class just look a true and Psudo flying wyverns, plus I think it's fair to say the in universe scientists of the monster hunter world mabye don't have all the facts and are probably getting some things wrong, just look at the evolution of how we have look at dinosaurs over the last couple hundred years as our understanding changed, we went from dump slow tail dragging cold blooded brutes to fast active warm blooded and likely featherd animals, so a lot can change
I think it'd be better to just make more amphibian monsters that aren't as froglike
It can be done, just keep them quadrupeds and water based with smooth skin instead of scales and we're good to go
@@kennethsatria6607 that's also a fair way to put it, turtles would be a good way to go, some like like a proper alligator snapping turtle monster would be awesome to see
@@kennethsatria6607 tetranodon it's the only one of of the 3 that has a turtle-like shape, cuz zamtrios and tetsucabra are frog-like, but I do agree that having more would be cool as well as the idea of flying beast.
We had to wait a lot of time till world to have more than zinogre
Congrats on 159k
I wonder why some of the monsters (like Tobi) didn't get taxonomic names.
Oh damn thats a mistake on my part, thanks for pointing it out. I'll fix it when I fo the compilation release
And please make a documentary video about piscene wyverns
Oceaniz sir I need to ask can you make a documentary video about monster hunter,s weapon and weapon classes?? 😐😐😐
Zinogre is my second favorite monster in the series
Fanged beasts is next i guess which means monkeys bears armadillo and rabbit
No Ebony Odo n Viper Tobi?
Best thing to wake up to
Yessir
what about viper tobi?
You forgot the Viper Tobi Karachi
What about Viper Tobi-Kadachi?
Viper its pretty much a tobi that left the forest. In iceborne viper can't really withstand the cold temperatures, that's why he spends most of his time underground. This is also why he acquired new abilities. He poisons and paralyzes its prey so that he can go to the underground as quick as possible.
Where is Viper Tobi. ?
No Viper Tobi?
It’s the obvious pick, but I don’t care Zinogre is my favorite though I also really like both Garon’s.
I’m actually not a fan of Magnamalo, It’s overdesigned IMO.
Didn't realize the Garons were broken up into Fanged Wyvern and Fanged Beast but all are rather canine.
That is mainly due to the fact that Fanged Wyverns did not exist yet. The other Garons came before the creation of the Fanged Wyvern.
@@freeziex
I see
So no Viper Tobi Kadachi :(
In our evolution they would likely be lumped with stem mammals. But in MH they're dinosaurs. :D Also because of that I refuse to believe any that have fur have actual fur. Realistically its more likely a type of feather or feather-like structure. Nargacuga while a different type of wyvern is listed as having fur yet on closer inspection they're feathers especially its quills and its wing blades are made of hardened feathers.
Viper Tobi?
U forgot about viper tobi kadachi
One question that has stuck to me for years is which zinogre is better in your opinion?
Old world, Rise or Iceborne?
WHO WANTS A DOS REMAKE (I know I do anyone else)
Id rather want a port or remaster
@@christinablixthenningsson3529 that’s what I meant but that was 6 months ago
It’s funny that you give attention to all of the fanged wyvern‘s except the Viper Tobi-Kadachi. To me it kind of implies that you don’t like him. otherwise you would talk about it. but to be fair, I don’t know you so I can’t be 100% sure however I feel confident in my claim. Me personally I think he’s fine but i’m somebody who appreciates definitive order. If you would have mentioned the Viper Tobi-Kadachi the same way you did with odogaron, zinogre & magnamalo this would have been perfect but instead it’s just really good. 8 out of 10 video ecology for me.
no dodogama?
6:30
@@Oceaniz must have missed him
No love for the Viper Kadachi 😪
the truth about the dodogama is that he's related to the gods
thats just true, it's too cute to not be
I don't trust anyone who doesn't like Dodogama. XD
Great Jagras supremacy
Dodogama solos all
but what about Greatest Jagras lol
that's a event quest lol not a different monster
Great video as always, but your pronunciation of Saurischia makes me want to literally inhale oxygen.
But why talk about the other subspecies, yeah they can juse the Dragon Element, but then you dont mention it with Magnamalo? Then why even include him and why dont you mention Viper Tobi-Kadachi?
Its a bit irritating
oversight mostly lmao
@@Oceaniz Huh okay
@@LordMeepel That, and Scorned Magnamalos are the only ones of their kind capable of using Dragon element, and it only gets that ability if it manages to chow down on an elder dragon...allegedly.
@@JanusHoW Yeah that's so nuts, the only monster I can think of which manage this is Rajang with kirin and not even Killing it
@@LordMeepel but I think he can only inflict it while in his enhanced rage form.
I'm not the biggest fan of these videos as it doesn't make sense to the real world. As a wulg along with odogaron and lunagaron. Are clearly mammals especially the wulg.
Chief do you have -200 IQ saying malzeno and velkhana are related where do you get this from and saying this you the type of person to say that diablos should be classified as a brute wyvern
@@RSA91There are relatives. If you look at their beak structure along with tailwings, similar behaviour, hornstructure, scaleshape, and their enraged metamorph ability, you can see some resemblance. They're probably related in a similar way that dromeosaurs and birds are related.
In my opinion, Magnamalo is the only bad flagship monster, and I hope they leave him away from the main series, he looks so unrealistic (between the bounds of MH) and Frontierlike, I also disllike Almudron and Somnacanth for the same reasons, I could maybe give a second chance to Somnacanth since it is the least unrealistic of them.
And although I believe that Valstrax looks cool, I also dislike it being a part of the MH roster, it is just too out there, it just brings back my disbelief when I see his rockets, is just too much.
It kinda happens the same with the Charge blade, my mind hardly accepted the switch axe and then they came up with the charge blade which is even more unrealistic (again, even between the bounds of the fantasy world of MH).
I hope the new main MH title brings the franchise back to earth.
Are you shitting me? Did you start with world or what? Realism is out of the question when literally elder dragons are a thing in this game.
You don’t bat an eye at Kirin whom literally teleports, same with Malzeno, you have the entire black dragon trio, you have a giant snake the size of a mountain, but somehow the line is crossed with only a handful of designs that you cherry pick as “unrealistic”.
“Frontierlike” good lord let’s keep you away from the franchise instead.
Almudron looks more unrealistic than something like Zinogre or Brachydios????
Nobody on Capcom cares about your suspension of disbelief especially when you as the hunter can survive a 100m fall without damage.
This game series is clearly not for you when you want to bitch and moan about realism.
Your definition of out of bounds of the mh franchise is all bullshit.
Valstrax is just as grounded as Xenojiva.
What a load of crap.
You want something more down to earth, go back to base World.
The fantasy’s designs are what makes it unique.