The Nature of Monster Hunter - Variants | Ecology Documentary
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - Intro
01:55 - Variants Explained
04:43 - Different Types of Variants
06:40 - Margin Cases
09:26 - Deviants
12:54 - Rampage Apexes
14:15 - Outro
Mods used to visualize Deviants:
Dreadking Rathalos by Rixter
www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunt...
Bloodbath Diablos by thefunnyletterH
www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunt...
Soulseer Mizutsune by thefunnyletterH
www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunt...
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Some slight misinformation in the video. Frostfang Barioth comes about when a Barioth has to adapt to a much harsher and colder environment where it needs to immobilize prey quickly, hence it evolving more powerful frost breath and furrier front limbs and head to protect itself. Furious Rajang comes about when a Rajang becomes too powerful for its body to contain its overwhelming power anymore, preventing it from powering down, so the tail becomes functionally useless at inhibiting its energy anymore and either falls off on its own or is manually ripped off.
One description I’ve heard of the difference between Variants vs Deviants is how consistent it can be replicated. If you tried to recreate bloodbath diablos, almost every single time it will simply die in the wild, meanwhile with Raging Brachydios it simply needs to find the special stronger slime that gives it immortality, something reasonably recreatable in nature
Well, the Brachy also has to be able to withstand the special slime mold, or it’ll die.
Good ipotesis
@@sylphid1431 its still a lesser mortality that battle-caused deviants
I always figured Deviants were essentially extreme cases of Variants to the point where they needed their own category
Edit: nevermind i forgot about subspecies.
I think it's more like variants have evolved thru the process of genetics / biology, while deviants come about from specific situations affecting an individual of a species.
My science teacher said to create our biological eco-system and i based it off from ur vids! Great vids chad.
Hopefully it did not count as plagiarism
@@anomalocaris2593 if he based it off the vids that mean he could just site it
Damn, your teacher is a legend, mine never gave me assignments like this. Maybe there is still hope for my university degree thesis...
@@kelpu3849 no i "BASED" it of his vids i didn't copy it
That bipedal walking tigrex just doesn't compute in my head
It look like a real bird 🐦
Im mean he walked like this In the 4U Opening cutscene , so yeah It was pretty normal as a veteran Hunter to see that , but I’m World and rise , he rarely did that for some reason
@@w0nderlord02 it was because he walked like a normal flying wyvern because they didn't give it a new animation for out of combat walking
@@w0nderlord02 When the title updates came, Tigrex lost its bipedal walking.
@@CreamIc7 Which is interesting since Barioth and Gigginox have been fully quadrupedal since they showed up in gen 3, but they didn't really adjust Tigrex and Nargacuga to do the same until Gen 5.
So from what I've gathered, the easiest most general description for Variants and Subspecies is:
Variant: a rare/circumstantial change in one monster that enhances it's inherit abilities beyond the norm.
Subspecies: a group of a species that split off to a new environment, causing it to change and develop abilities to suit it's new environment, generally aquiring a new element.
On the subject of Shagaru's special virus that turns Gores into Chaotic Gores, I think that's not its real intention. The intention of the special virus is to simply kill the potential usurper before it can finish molting. I suspect most Gore Magalas who wander into a Shagaru's territory simply die, either from the shock of having their molt stopped, or quickly being overwhelmed by their own power, dying within seconds or minutes of turning into a Chaotic Gore. That's why we don't see hunts for Low or High-Rank Chaotic Gores - they perish before they can cause any serious harm to the ecosystem.
But G-Rank/Master Rank Gore Magalas, being the toughest of their kind, can survive the transformation into a Chaotic and then last for much longer - days or even weeks depending on the individual. They do eventually expire on their own, but not before going on a violent rampage that can easily wreck any ecosystem they wander into as their unfathomable agony and humiliation makes them lash out at anything that draws too near.
I do wish that some deviants could just be super old or seasoned veteran individuals that are available in Master/G rank missions. Dread king and queen just seem like a progression of the species while Thunderlord most certainly appears to be zinogre pushed to the limit of its natural ability.
Silverwind and frostfang are I think and they're cool af
Your mha videos are great, but your monster hunter videos are… breathtaking! Keep up the great work man!
You make better bestiary documentaries with monster hunter than what animal planet has done in the past few years.
All of these are like watching Blue planet for a fictional world and I love it. I can feel the love and passion in every word, sentence and paragraph. What a series. Well done.
You gotta pay this guy respect for making sense of all of this because MH history is quite chaotic!
(Let's hope MH6+ will not mess this up completely)
I hope you do a video on zenith monsters from monster Hunter frontier from what I read about them from reading the monster Hunter wiki they are very interesting and quite unique in terms of a powered up version of a normal monster.
Spikes go brrrr
Ngl your indepth lore videos got me into MHW, and I finally beat Iceborne today using the insect glaive so thanks for that and the amazing content.
This was great! I like how you tied the apexes mostly being cut and paste deviants in. Was hoping a little you'd go into soulseer Mizutsune, but all the same, love how this wove into other stuff you've speculated on in your previous videos.
A note on the Magala inhibitor protein, the effects do wear off if a juvenile Gore leaves the infection radius of an adult Shagaru for long enough
Those ecology videos are a great way to come to a deeper understanding of these creatures. Even though they're fictional. It's so cool.
I never really seen the monsters like this
I wish there were more videos like these. I want to learn more about variants and deviants and how they become that way
Man I can not say it enough, I absolutely love your videos! Thank you so much for making these, and for all the time and effort you put into these. We can tell you put your all into these videos. Thank you my friend!
Great explanation of variants, might as well be a high school biology class.
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Wonderful videos, keep up the unique work🙌🏻
Variants are basically the same Monster in a particular species that has undergo a huge transformation, mutation or adaptation to suit the environment or for survival, but only occurs in an individual monster, sometimes temporary, sometimes permanent, others accident or just natural.
I like your vids but i definitely love your monster hunter vids the most
I don’t even play Monster Hunter, I just like hearing you talk about it! Though one day, I may try the game
It’s quite the experience. Despite world being my introduction, I’ve been missing out. I’m a sucker for giant imaginative convincing fictional giant monsters and kaiju and ecological related subjects like zoology. So this game sparks my love for the franchise ever since.
Babe wake up, new MH Ecology document dropped
Awesome to see deviants get explored!
The Hunters guild will push the Jaggi species to the brink, creating a truly terrifying monster... the Omega Jaggi.
That's nothing
Wait until Aptonoth variant comes around and become a Final boss
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I still want a Goss Harag Variant
Truly lovely video
Yeah Deviants usually typically fall under one of 3 categories:
1. Grown older & more experienced, even driven to expand upon its usual antics by their own volition, like the Rustrazor Ceanataur.
2. A particular organ becomes overdeveloped, like Hellblade Glavenus or Dreadqueen Rathian.
3. Contrived by the fault of one or multiple fights, like Bloodbath Diablos or Deadeye Garuga
I think Variants undergo changes that can be replicated and Deviants undergo changes that can't necessarily be replicated.
this makes me more in to this game never knew all of this
Variants and Deviants are quite awesome in my opinion.
Okay, I know this is absolutely not on topic for the video, but that first shot wasn't the small island from the Krombacher advertisement from a different perspective (and modern time), right? That looks soo eerily similar, and idk how far German ads spread down to your place, but by god that image will by burnt into my mind for decades to come.
That being said, this gon be a treat!
i swore it was that shagaru prevents gores from moulting and if one inhales during the process of moulting it creates chaotic.. must be crazy.
I think there was an issue when you explained the chaotic gore magala. The chaotic gore magala is the result of a gore magala trying to molt into a shagaru at the time, but being stopped
I really love how in the older games the variants were always secret
Great video man! Question: So is the Gravios just a variant of a Basarios, like frostbang is a variant of a Barioth?
Very iffy topic. You could definetly argue that but the game doesnt agree as Gravios is not saved as a Variant in the files. So its like Black Diablos: Yesn't.
@@Oceaniz 😂 okay. Thanks for clearing that up. Can’t wait for more mh content. Just subbed.
@@Oceaniz Same could be said of Shagaru Magala and Safi'jiiva. Also worth considering is monsters with high sexual dimorphism and the -drome and Great monsters.
Basarios is the younger version of a Gravios, gravios beeing the adult form
is more like frog and tadpole
What would apex's caused by the frenzy virus be considered they are known to use attacks from variants and subspecies for some reason after overcoming the virus.
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Thanks.
It was my understanding that variants were a genetic mutation in a specific individual, like an individual with a genetic alteration like a silver/gold rathalos or an individual in a unique stage of its life cycle like a black diablos, while deviants were individuals affected by external conditions that alter their behavior to compensate, like the initial example of the creature with the broken horn or the in-universe example of the bloodbath diablos... This distinction makes more sense to me but idk how accurate it is to MH lore
two words: furius rajang
2:04 Wake up, babe, new scrunkly just dropped
Can you make a video comparing yuki from jjk and star and stripes
3:15 ik he’s not a Variant but you basically just Explained bloodbath in a nutshell
Where would scorned magnamalo fit on the variant types?
he's confirmed to be a variant created through broken horns preventing him from mating (horn size is the main determinator for magnamalo sexual success), so he is an abnormal, permanent variant
i always took Deviants as 1 off individuals, like you can never have another Bloodbath because there was only ever 1
I loved this video but it did remind me of the sad fact that the apex monsters don't give apex armor or like any call back to the deviants
Deviants are protagonists
Okay, I asked why variants weren't given focus in the video about subspecies, I wasn't aware there was a separate video for them at the time. I feel stupid
My favorite variant is chaotic gore magala
I see Deviants as the White Whales of Monster Hunter singular individuals that are spoken of in whispers and those that seek them out are considered crazy. Take Bloodbath for example, if you replicated exactly how one was made it will never look like the original Bloodbath or its temperament could be different. The multiple of the same Devient quests in Gen and GU are, in my eyes at least, the game doing game things.
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I thought Savage Deviljho became how it is because due to hunger leading to it?
Damn all this time I have been confused which is a variant or a subspecies.
Oh so i am just a sub-species of human because childhood trauma raised making me a abnormal variant. scarring me for life. So, wheres my buff? I feel nerfed.
Idk if this has already been discussed, but there one could justify Black Diablos as a subspecies by slightly redefining the definition of the word.
If Subspecies is defined as "phenotypical difference occurred because of genetical factors", then any physical change to any monster that is due to genetics and not induced by its environment or external events in general, like say breeding season, can lead to "transitory subspecies".
Likewise Black Gravios is a subspecies if the hardened shell caused by intense body temperature is caused by semi-dominant or latent genes, whose phenotypical expression is not certain (like you hypothesized in the previous video).
Of course this is not considered by Capcom, rather it's a likely oversight, but I'd like what you all think of this slight definition change, especially if there are cases of monsters whose "bad categorization" can't be justified in this way.
Thanks a lot!
i.e. "natural variants" as Frostfang Barioth could be against this, as "any Barioth is predisposed to be a Frostfang". But... not every Barioth becomes one? Are we sure there are no environmental contributions to this change? Weirdly I can't find evidence that Frostfang is "just an old Barioth", but I don't think that's just Mandela Effect.
So... Old age, harsh fights and environment justify this change, but since it can't be taken for granted, predicted?
It's not a "genetic mode" like B.Diablos, but a "responsive mode"?
@@clowdde According to the "Dive to Monster Hunter: Iceborne" Frostfang survived intensely frozen environments for long periods of time.
@@Eellex501 thanks! So it is a very environmental cause or co-cause 🤔
Bro… this can be applied to people as a basic understanding on how we are individually and collectively based on experiences and environment.
I usually describe Deviants as Variants on roids. How I'd like to put it is like this; let's use the Brown Bear as an example.
A species of brown bear is the Grizzly Bear, while a subspecies is the Kodiak Bear. Let's say a Variant of a brown bear is Smokey the Bear, an individual that is the same species but unique, while a Deviant is Smokey who snorted almost 200 lbs of cocaine turning into the bloodthirsty Cocaine Bear (I get cocaine bear's a black bear, but you get the point)
Blood bath is a Diablos that has survived a army WFT!
I think the audio and visual parts of the video isn't in sync
When you talk about the Diablos, it shows the Barioth, when you show the Deviljho, you talk about the Valstrax and when you talk about the Deviljho, you show the Chaos Gore Magala
It's fine for me, I think that's an issue on your end
@@epicazeroth
You're right, it was wrong on my end
Fixed now, was watching the original on my TV
@@bingbong8239 seems to be a youtube processing error, should sort itself out over time. glad to h3ar it worked out!
Why does the croc in the beginning have whiter teeth than me
WHO TF IS THIS RATHALOS IN THE FORLORN ARENA I NEVER SAW IT PLS SOMEONE ANSWER ME I SEARCHED FOR HALF AN HOUR
Its a Silver Rathalos reskinned to look like a Dreadking Rathalos. You can find the mod in the description!
@@Oceaniz i'm so sad i thought i missed a patch ;( unfortunately i play on switch so no mods
mh ecology videos teach me biology better than school
On my console the first 50 seconds is nothing but sounds of deviljho destroying shit while showing clips of animal planet😂 then the audio goes to normal
Are you going to ever make MHA videos again?
Just a reminder that there are literally no reason to *not having* in the future a Silver-Dreadking Rathalos, a Molten-Grimclaw Tigrex or even a Lucent-Silverwind Nargacuga... etc. Lore wise, it would just be incredebly rare, rare sub species and deviants are already super rare.
1:32 talks about how evolution can continuously change species over a long period, shows species that hardly changed in 86 million years
piece resistance
🙂
Am i the only one who thinks that is the closest thing to the real life individual adaption?
this could be twisted into life as we know it..
Hornless behaviour
Good, thx for making this, so atleast a couple of newer generation stops calling it "reskin", I'm tired explaining this to them
Yes, it's sort of a meme or joke, but many of them literally believe they're just reskin, smh
Someone make a deviants mod for rise that retester the rampage apexes to the deviants😂
I can do that for you right now, just go to an Apex quest, take a post it note, stick it on your screen over top of the name of the monster you're about to hunt, then write the corresponding deviant name.
Done. Nothing else needs to be changed.
Cultural adaptation has to be the most broken ability ever evolved.
nerd
The rise apexes are just dumb copy’s of the deviants there stopied
so as a trans person am I variant
Know your worth, (Dread) queen 👑
The way I have to resist the deviant jokes
@@b.vaegler6983 bro 💀
@@LeFiendComedian Aw thank you that's really sweet
@@b.vaegler6983 Aw thank you for not keeping it to yourself and publicly outing yourself as transphobic
sendet u a email on ur business one.
It pained me seeing Apex Diablos when talking about Bloodbath 🥲 makes me want to play GU again