I completely agree with you. As a student of gymnastics in the mid 90s and the 2000s. I found it very uncomfortable, and I was incredibly self-conscious to be wearing a revealing outfit from the age of 11 right up until 16. Also, I was constantly worried about my menstrual flow when performing in front of people.
Exactly. We women in the audience feel for you. They should wear the full bottoms they used to make for dance class when you wanted to wear your choice of top rather than 1 piece leotards. And have boy shorts as an option. The leotards of today are soooosheer and they ride up the butt--guys watch these vids just to ogle the girls and women. A tampon string could hang out so easily. And the waxing required for pre-teens and young teens is obscene. But as a minimum, they need to use a thicker fabric and fuller cut. And the boy shorts could be worn over the leotard for practice and when modesty is desired.
@cyninbend not to mention how heavily sexualised these sports and anything artistic like ballet, contemporary dance (if including such outfits) or even beach sports(!), swimsuits too are... if they gave women the choice on the outfit instead and/or made it so everyone regardless of sex or gender had a choice in that perhaps some people would feel more comfortable performing. Even some ballet studios, for example, will give you the choice of attending classes with shorts on top of leotards in the bottom half (and in performances, there are tutus of course, depending on what it is) and honestly save for perhaps some performances here where you have to jump over obstacles (e.g. vault) I honestly don't see why they're so excessively sheer in material or tight, other than for the sake of sexualising women's bodies. There's a difference between confidence and sexualisation and I feel like with the outfits it's explicitly for the sake of some unmentioned fanswrvice, especially because there will be creeps as old as these performers' grandparents or relatives.
*Nice - with leotards gone, men will be driven now to only Hardcore Porn - since all the Softcore stuff is being removed - good job to all the idiots that didn't think ahead and see what this would mean for men growing up.* 🧠👈
Yup definitely doesn't sexualize the female body either.. by entirely conforming to it and showing your entire body shape..only difference is less skin is openly exposed.. however another comment made a solid point the whole point for the leotards and why men are always sleeveless is entirely about showing off peak physique of the body for men it's primarily upper body strength for women it's lower body strength... Though it's gymnastics not body building..
@@yulfine1688you just got one thing wrong. They do it to because they have too not to show their “leg strength” and I think full body pants are much more appropriate then something that’s no less then an inch away from seeing your 🐱 if theirs even an inch. Then theirs children’s gymnastics too idek who in their right mind would let a child do that in front of people (idk if they wear the same uniforms as children tho but if they do it should definitely be changed)
@@marti220 Which is especially bad, when the cuts have been getting higher & narrower. They're barely Brazilian-back bikini bottoms at this point. The bottoms used to match the men's unitards back in the day; practically a boyshort bottom. Even more egregious now that they're not all retiring before even hitting menarchy (female puberty). Their grown woman curves do NOT fit in girls' uniforms, much less stay in them, even with all the butt glue!
Who were the founding (patriarchal) "fathers" of gymnastics who decided on these rules (to indulge their lecherous/p3dophilic desires) by the way? ☢️♂️
@@marti220 so like Janet Jackson? A dumb guy exposes her and she gets blamed & castigated for it? Or basically like ALL female prostitutes - scum men "enjoy" them and then discard & demonize them after "use"? It's that clear pattern of an infamous aspect of *#toxicmasculinity* that has ruled over us for centuries, right? ☢️♂️
I remember I was in 6th grade, it was my first year competing, and we weren’t allowed to wear shorts in meets. I was so scared of getting my first code red, and my mom didn’t want me to wear tampons(and neither did I). So when U.S.A. gymnastics said shorts were allowed the next season, oh my gosh you don’t understand the relief I felt.
As a person who swam competitively and had swimsuits almost every day, there’s a lot of drawbacks that aren’t obvious if you’re not wearing them yourself in sports. For example, you have to shave every 2-3 days, and the fabric from the suit glides against the skin in a very sensitive area when you’re doing sports, so everyday you’re trying to reduce and manage razor burns. And it actually distracts you while you’re competing. I’m not saying leotards and swimsuits are exactly the same, but I bet there’s a lot of commonality.
Water polo is worse. I think something like a skin tight wetsuit would be safer because girls will stick their hands inside your suit to grab and pull you down. The suits are so tight (exactly to prevent this) that they ride up to your waist making it easier to reach. It's brutal in there. Plus I have seen pervert edits of competitions on youtube while looking to study skills.
That & now the styles are all getting skimpier every year! Now the backs of these suits go almost up the crack like thongs or semi-thongs. Especially diving teams, but some lap racers too
I'm also a former competitive swimmer. So I'll ask you the same question I asked my swim coach as a child: why is it more advantageous athleticly for women to cover different parts of their bodies than the man?
i actually find this really interesting, i did gymnastics for 15 years before i quit, i was always told off for wearing shorts or leggings during practice so that we wouldn’t get used to it for competitions, quite sad tbh considering we were all minors
I'm still trying to figure out how leos are sexual.. but aside from that, I think the shorts are perfectly fine. I just appreciate being able to see an athlete's muscle structure.. but you can definitely do that with shorts just fine. sometimes it just takes time to modernize things with a long history of tradition, but I'm glad they're catching up though. ps: I'm sure your coaches wanted you to be comfy in practice, but also knew there were rules for competitions that had to be followed. so it makes sense, at least until the rules are changed.
@@jillybeangamingThe reason they're sexual is because you can see everything short of the labia themselves. Contestants have to use hairspray or similar just to keep their cheeks from showing. It's sexual because straight men watch it HOPING for a wardrobe malfunction exposing women's bodies. The odds of that also being much higher than men in their shorts or tights, as well as being a much more severe exposure, since this is their only layer covering them, while men usually have underwear under their shorts or tights.
@@mockingjay478 if men are watching children, hoping for a wardrobe malfunction, then we have bigger problems than leos. I mean, you could say the same about what the fellas wear.. "you can everything but the veins running down his dick." but I don't consider the men's outfits sexual either. it's sportswear. if the girls feel more comfortable in shorts, then that's great. they should allow shorts. but still, gotta go back to that first point and say ew.
@@kingkaizoku85 nope, I didn't mean all men . Those male gymnasts have nothing to do with leotards as they didn't invent or framed the rules. It would be nice to make those men in sports authority and those saying "its traditional " wear leotards and make them dance in front of everybody.😂it would be quite a sight.😂 You might be knowing that people in power are mostly corrupt. And THEY make the norms. So the best thing to do is protest and disobey, like the german gymnasts did.🙂 Btw l didn't get what x y z you are talking about.🤔 l am saying these things from the perspective of gymnastics only.
I argued my mother down when I was seven regarding gymnastics. The leotards made me body conscious, and I HATED them. Even during class and training, our instructors told us they restricted movement, and we had to leave our buttcheeks out. We were made to wear them during dance and ballet as well, but I wore shorts over my leotards anyway. They sent home several letters to my parents regarding my disobedience.
Beach handball has this problem too. The norwegian team recieved a penalty in 2021 for wearing shorts instead of bikinis. A lot of womens sports are sexualised, and people are claiming "tradition" to keep weird rules in place. The dresscodes should be the same for men and women.
Apparently for OLYMPIC beach volleyball they can wear shorts and a singlet if they want and many choose the bikini, but many other competitions force bikinis while the men wear shorts and a singlet. Like the only sport where men have to wear equally as revealing gear is swimming
If you’ve ever had this conversation with high school volleyball “enjoyers” you know how creepy it gets. It’s really disgusting, and girls who voice concerns get shamed and insulted and aren’t even allowed to join the sport unless they’re willing to wear training wheel thongs in front of giant crowds of people.
As someone who did 6 years of gymnastics and now figure skates: the dress codes are bullshit! They actually make it harder for us to do tricks and skills and are super weird and uncomfy...
Every time I watch those 2 sports (and others in the leotard realm) I just wonder how much time the women lose to grooming and grooming-recovery that would be better spent practicing, doing PT, sleeping, etc.. It’d be nice if they just had more downtime too, but juxtaposed against the time male gymnasts (et al.) get to perfect their sport, it’s such a waste.
I'm a figure skater and I have never competed, but if I ever get to that situation I will wear leggins or shorts😅😅 I can't imagine performing in underwear, I couldn't concentrate on the elements properly if I had to worry about my outfit...
@katsuuuuuu8254 This misogynistic society actually tells women they can't wear spandex shorts or the like underneath our leotards! Can u believe it!!!!! 🤔
Every gymnast starts out as a child. Imagine being 12 and worrying about your bikini wax because a bunch of people are gonna be staring at your almost naked body.
Right?! When I was that age, I felt uncomfortable even wearing shorts. I know for a fact that having to expose part of my butt cheeks (or an area newly growing hair) would have been a deal-breaker for participating in a sport. Bodies change so much as tweens and teens. Why make it harder on them?
@Screech911 I will say for dance there is a reason. The teachers need to be able to see that you are doing everything properly. You could really hurt yourself if you're not. Doesn't change how weird it feels though. Edit: This is not a hill I'm willing to die on. I agree with the alternatives y'all are giving. I was a very self conscious kid who hated the tights. All I wanted to express was the importance of making sure no one hurts themselves.
@@BearlyAiden Very aware of that, I’ve been dancing for 11 years now. 😊 I’d still prefer shorts and a waist band to identify the waist for examination though.
Same in track and field and volleyball. I ran track and wee Speedo and a short tank. Marion Jones Olympian track athlete was asked why she didn't wear speedos like the other women athletes. That it makes them run "faster". Her response was epic... "then why don't the men wear them".
Thousands of muslim athletes compete in these competitions and wear decent clothing without problems or being forced to change, even in the Olympics.........
I’m not and here’s why…. *While I don’t think that leos are inherently sexist, however being FORCED to wear them as the only option is, especially all the high hip cut/cheeky leos in gymnastics. You don’t see much of that in ballet. Most are low cut on the hips. I DISAGREE full suits should NOT be allowed, it’s harder to see all movements/form esp when you WANT TO HAVE ALL SKILLS/TWISTS SEEN & GRADED APPROPRIATELY(unless your goal is fudging scores!) and I’m sure harder for spotters to make fast corrections(a leg could become an arm in an instant leading to falls,paralysis and possibly DEATH) esp when you’re doing hardcore moves that require great speed such as w/simone biles. I do NOT want her getting hurt because no one can see what she’s doing as the full suit would just all blend together. Also grading on technicality, but shorts should be allowed! Seeing the legs allows for better grading. There’s a reason why tights tend to be nude color in dance/ballet so lines can be seen. Same for gymnastics. Now do I think full suits should be given as an option for say women’s volleyball or swimming? Yep! Again the issue is both choice and being fair in grading/safety.*
@@macawlovers1964 This argument fails completely when you consider A. the male gymnasts get to wear clothes that cover their ass, the upper thigh where pubic hair grows, and sometimes legs, without their safety being considered at risk, and B. this issue can simply be fixed through appropriate choice of color? I mean, then maybe color them brightly and distinguish the legs from the rest at the joint, etc. No one is demanding they wear a unicolor black suit.
@@hannahg.8572 perhaps I think I was fixating on color, good notice. When I saw the full black suit it really just made everything VERY difficult to see and I think any dark color would do the same, but also if the whole body suit was one color(and esp same shade) it would have the same affect. You mention men’s gymnastics, BUT women’s gymnastics is a whole separate sport basically. I just don’t want any issues with safety and as a the viewer/judge it may get a bit difficult to see the best. I’m with you though, cheeky leos are mind boggling to me how that even became a thing which seems sexist as the only option. It’s pure insanity! Your shorts should have always been allowed or something that covers your bottom fully. Seriously how did the whole cheeky Leo come about in the first place? Did they claim its for better range of motion or something?
@@macawlovers1964Knowing about all the abuse that happend in gymnastics im not suprised leo's were a thing. I used to do gymnastics and compete. I was extremely uncomfortable in those clothes, which was one of the big reasons i stopped.
Can we also talk about how bra straps or underwear being seen until a leotard is an instant point deduction?! You give me a tiny suit that falls exactly on my underwear lines and then ask me to stretch and flip around which can cause my suit to move around possibly showing my unders and that's a problem? This was something I never understood and made me mad as a gymnast
You've got me flashing back to that scene in that movie where she pulls out her bra strap but I'm old and can't remember the name of it 😖 I freaking love that movie, my brain has failed me 🤦 I'm SO glad this conversation is finally happening!
Like, there's of course some thought that needs to be spared of how and why it is the way it is right now, but if that reason is just fucking stupid... Well, then throw the thing out the window
As someone enjoys traditions. I agree, it a major red flag. Most traditions have actual reasons behinds it, tell the actual reasons, don't just say "iT's TrADItiOn" and expect people to respect it.
Exactly! A lot of things used to be "traditional" or "always done like that". Most of them are now illegal or just seen as deplorable acts. Don't do things just because it's the way they've always done it.
Ehh i agree and disagree as long as it’s not wiped out same red flags with those who want bans or changes that a majority don’t agree to or isn’t a problem
It’s distracting to those other people as well. A lot of guys get bothered by displays like that. It’s not that you want to look but it’s in the masculine nature to have your eyes drawn to such things. Personally, I’d rather like to be able to go about my day without someone’s ass being shoved in my face. It’s inherently sexual and promotes distracting thoughts and behaviors.
@@thebiggestpanda1 it isn’t human nature to lust over kids in glitter costumes, that’s predatory sir. In the bible it says to poke out the eyes of any man who does as such, and you best know I WILL poke your eyes out sir.
Not sure about gymnastics, but in a lot of sports, the skimpy and impractical female outfits were put into the rules to keep women feminine shortly after Title IX passed because many opponents of the law thought sports would make women too masculine. The outfits don't add any competitive advantages over wearing similar outfits to what the men wear.
@chickenwhisperer8861 People who funded female sports in the 1970s through today. Otherwise,there wouldn't be so much pushback against women wanting to wear actual workout clothes instead of skimpy bathing suits and leotards to competitive sporting events.
@@chickenwhisperer8861ayoo clearly you haven’t seen what’s called the “Man-o-sphere” or the “red pill” side of UA-cam, it’s some real toxic stuff. They believe that women shouldn’t try to really pursue their own career or aspirations, but rather submit to a man like it’s the 1920s 😂. Isnt surprising to see that most of them have a 5th graders perspective and critical thinking skills.
Maybe, BUT *While I don’t think that leos are inherently sexist, however being FORCED to wear them as the only option is, especially all the high hip cut/cheeky leos in gymnastics. You don’t see much of that in ballet. Most are low cut on the hips. I DISAGREE full suits should NOT be allowed, it’s harder to see all movements/form esp when you WANT TO HAVE ALL SKILLS/TWISTS SEEN & GRADED APPROPRIATELY(unless your goal is fudging scores!) and I’m sure harder for spotters to make fast corrections(a leg could become an arm in an instant leading to falls,paralysis and possibly DEATH) esp when you’re doing hardcore moves that require great speed &power such as w/simone biles being in her own class alone. I do NOT want her getting hurt because no one can see what she’s doing as the full suit would just all blend together. Also grading on technicality, but shorts should be allowed! Seeing the legs allows for better grading. There’s a reason why tights tend to be nude color in dance/ballet so lines can be seen. Same for gymnastics. Now do I think full suits should be given as an option for say women’s volleyball or swimming? Yep! Again the issue is both choice and being fair in grading/safety.*
@@macawlovers1964 i understand that it can make the sport safer, but a lot of people in comments are saying thing like “I won’t be watching if they continue this” gives me an suspicion that they watch it for an other reason
@@macawlovers1964okay so the legs of a full bodysuit could be a different color than the arms. Problem solved. Now everyone can see the difference between an arm and a leg.
@@TakeHit0men would look good in leotards 2, I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people who would appreciate the bulge. Or, we can let competitors do what they want as long as it's professional and comfortable and doesn't hinder performance you weirdo
Gymnastics is supposed to be judged as a competition of physical ability and coordination. Clothing should have nothing to do with that so long as they are snugly fit. The full body suit looked slick as hell and is just as effective as the leo.
@@bonnylouwho76 Exactly! I really loved gymnastics as a little kid, but it quickly turned into a love-hate relationship. I was self conscious of my body even as a little kid but I loved learning new skills and practicing. I quit gymnastics multiple times when I was younger and I almost regret it because I could have become an elite gymnast. I quit club gymnastics and I joined my high school team after not being in gymnastics for a few years. It was only in my senior year last year, that the rules allowed gymnasts to wear plain black leggings or plain black shorts!
I actually remember seeing a comment in some other video about women protesting over the over-sexualized uniforms in women sports, a certain individual said "Women sports were never interesting, atleast these clothes helped them getting more exposure and attention." When I tell u I felt so disgusted by a mere comment....
95% of sport fans are men. Start watching sport pay for tickets etc then you can complain and feel offended. Typical WNBA logic. Nobody cares about this boring league especially women don't care.
@@pio7763 Sir, I'm not really into sports and couldn't care less because it's not my taste. But that doesn't really rationalize the nasty and creepy comments that's being thrown to those atheletes who worked hard to reach where they are. U who just sitting on ur couch eating nachos and commenting on a youtube comment box, won't understand.
@@halloweenfan158it’s probably because it’s what she’s used to. She’s used to training in them and competing in them so it would probably feel strange to wear something else. It should totally be an option though. You can’t argue that they need them so the judges can see imperfections (or whatever it is they say) better because if that were the case then men would have to wear them too. A full body leotard is still skin tight so you can see fine but they wouldn’t have to have their @$$ cheeks hanging out
I think weird al made a song about blindly following tradition called Weasel Stomping Day. Its about a random holiday where everyone just stomps random weasels to death because its tradition
I'm honestly confused why things like this actually become a debate. Can we not just let athletes wear whatever they want so we can focus an actual problems?
The only problem I have with unitards is that it a little unfair for those who don’t have them on because when the knee is covered it’s harder to tell if it’s bending just a little bit, which is a deduction, so I think that long shorts and such are fine, just as long as their knee is showing due to the precise nature of gymnastics (speaking as a gymnast)
@@gooseberries2930 but men wear pants that actually loose around the knee. The skin tight leggings don't necessarily camouflage knee bend, plus any gymnast could choose to wear leggings if they think a Leo puts them at a disadvantage.
These are also actual problems even if they don't seem important to you. Step by step we progress, it's also important to cover all the areas to make an advance
@@gooseberries2930 which is evidently no longer an issue once its a man in a body suit, and sometimes even looser pants? The female knee is a mystery?
I agree, they look very elegant! I think it makes their lines look better. It also puts the focus more on what they're doing than on their body morphology, at least for me, because I often find myself watching a female gymnast and thinking about how precarious the leotard looks instead of appreciating her skills and all the work she's put into them. Edit: typo
Literally the entire reason leotards were introduced (and similar garments for other sports) was basically a misogynistic argument that if women are going to fight so hard to take part in sports, may as well stick them in something revealing so they still adhere to the male gaze. Look it up, when women were first allowed into sports that was the quiet argument behind the outfits
Maybe, BUT *While I don’t think that leos are inherently sexist, however being FORCED to wear them as the only option is, especially all the high hip cut/cheeky leos in gymnastics. You don’t see much of that in ballet. Most are low cut on the hips. I DISAGREE full suits should NOT be allowed, it’s harder to see all movements/form esp when you WANT TO HAVE ALL SKILLS/TWISTS SEEN & GRADED APPROPRIATELY(unless your goal is fudging scores!) and I’m sure harder for spotters to make fast corrections(a leg could become an arm in an instant leading to falls,paralysis and possibly DEATH) esp when you’re doing hardcore moves that require grey speed such as w/simone biles. I do NOT want her getting hurt because no one can see what she’s doing as the full suit would just all blend together. Also grading on technicality, but shorts should be allowed! Seeing the legs allows for better grading. There’s a reason why tights tend to be nude color in dance/ballet so lines can be seen. Same for gymnastics. Now do I think full suits should be given as an option for say women’s volleyball or swimming? Yep! Again the issue is both choice and being fair in grading/safety.*
@@user-do6dl5gh1zLOL the most dominant gymnast in the world is female and would easily beast any male gymnast. Maybe you should check your misogyny at the door.
@@NitaJain Biles is excellent, but have you not see the female and male gymnasts try to do each other's tricks? There's been several of them, one of which included Simone. And I was actually disappointed in her, as dominant as she is, for not being able to do Flares, since that is a potential element women can use on the balance beam, even if no woman has used them in a routine recently. It is a required element of men's sports. But basically, the women were not at all good at men's tricks and vice versa. There's no good measure of comparison.
@@klavdjaroc2535💀 it’s not tho your not gonna see in the law book “it is against the law to say women can’t wear leggings and shorts if their gymnasts”💀
When I was about 8 starting gymnastics I felt so uncomfortable in a leotard. And at competitions we had to remove our underwear because if you could see it we would get points deducted. I stopped soon after my first competition because I never wanted to feel like that again. I couldn't even show what I could do because I was so scared that someone could see inbetween my legs...
that is an absolutely insane rule to enforce on a fucking 8 year old. what an incredibly uncomfortable thing to have to experience, i cannot fathom why that kind of rule would be enforced for someone so young
Your discomfort is totally valid but your coaches did you a huge disservice by not making skin-colored undies a part of your competition uniform. Yes things should change and covered legs would be amazing but even working under the current restrictions no one ever needs to go without underwear. I wore nude underwear to every competition, we bought them as a part of the competition uniform along with a warmup track suit
I think about this sometimes because I feel like if you're not gonna allow them to wear a full body suit, at least let them wear shorts, especially since children participate too.
The important part is to allow people choice. It's not about making people wear the clothes you think they should be wearing, whether that is leotards because it's traditional, or full bodysuits because it's more modest. We are celebrating the expansion of clothing options available, not the changing of one fixed standard to another.
I think we should add that it is allow people wearing the clothing to have the choice to feel safe and respected. If we celebrate simply the options then we are not seeing that the patriarchal reasons behind the original fixed standards.
@@korenna123 and in your comment you're ignoring the christo-patriarcal 'modestry' rules. Let alone that so many in the thread are ignoring the fact that people could find leotards comfy and should be worked that they can feel comfortable wearing leotards if they want
@@tvdsje It's because people are speaking about their experience of being uncomfortable. this post isn't about people being comfortable with them it's about people not being uncomfortable with them. Others are allowed to be comfortable with leotards but these people aren't and that's also okay.
The "it's traditional" argument never holds up. It only became traditional because someone decided it, if there's no other reason, the isn't really any argument there
“Tradition” is the answer given by people not smart enough to articulate the real reason. You can find the real reason by asking a related question: Why are men’s uniforms almost always sleeveless, while women’s often have sleeves? And if you correctly answer that one, you’ll correctly answer the leotard question. I’ll spare you the brain hemorrhage generated by thinking beyond surface level thought. It’s because part of gymnastics is about glorifying the human form. As the male athlete archetype is one of rippling shoulder muscles, cut biceps and tremendous upper body strength, their uniforms will usually be sleeveless to expose their arms and shoulders. As the female athlete archetype is one muscled thighs, cut calf muscles, and tremendous lower body strength and balance, their uniforms will usually be legless to expose their legs. So, it’s not simply “tradition,” it’s the reason behind the tradition: glorifying the form of the superior human athlete.
and the tradition is making women uncomfortable and causing senseless point deductions (ex: for accidentally showing underwear in the tiny ass leotard women are required to wear). stop spamming the comments dude. if society wants to glorify the human body so bad, everybody might as well go out in the nude. jesus christ.
@@eliteteamkiller319 i always just figured long tight sleeves with loose baggy mid thigh shorts would look unbalanced. Most of the men's legs are showing shorts don't have to cover up all the thighs. But this isn't body building. I think since we don't rate on muscle tone the clothing should be irrelevant so long as it doesn't obscure the technique.
@@eliteteamkiller319 Hi, I just got back from the hospital. That brain hemorrhage I got from thinking sure was a pain! I now agree clothes that require glue on ass so as not to get wedged between the buns are a perfectly reasonable choice for an athletic discipline that relies on wide range of movements. After all, we need to glorify the beautiful form of the athlete! Who cares about their performance, never mind their comfort and dignity? A fitted full-body costume completely hides their chisled calves, it's pretty much a niqab with glitter on it. It is only thanks to You I realized the error of my ways. I shall now advocate for leotards in ice hockey and equestrian show jumping as well. Those horse girls have some beautiful thighs and I want to see them!
I used to be confused by the people who aggressively advocate that young girls should be able to wear skimpy clothing, but there actual reasoning did click with me recently. Even if a young girl is naked, you shouldn’t be looking at her in any type of strange way
@@DitoCapsuleFan I do agree with you, but again when there're much better alternatives are present, one shouldn't except anyone to see half naked. If you're rooting against this, you're just a weirdo and let's not get started on attraction caused by thousands of years of human evolution
@@Lueegi I agree that if I had a daughter I’d want her dressed relatively modestly until she’s old enough for my input to not matter. I’m just trying to explain why a lot of not creeps, women even are advocating so hard for it. The logic works much better for the “if you have to tell them not to wear shorts around uncle, uncle shouldn’t even be around” meme that’s parroted around. But for gymnasts/ dancers I agree that it should be handled better because they’re presented to the public which is full of people embracing the lizard brain
@@DitoCapsuleFan That's correct but again you never know what's going on in someone's mind until you do. And I'm not forcing a choice on women wearing something specific it's just that they should have the choice to wear whatever they want to wear so, if you don't feel comfortable then you shouldn't be forced to be half naked either. And you made a great point that we shouldn't look at women (regardless of age) in pervy way, which i completely agree with but again words can fool anyone, a creep could make the same point as you did we never know what's inside someone's mind, and this is the reason I'm protesting against it, i just don't trust people's word but rather put more trust in their actions, regardless of whether you don't look women in a pervy way but still to say that "I could watch a child naked and just not feel anything" is again creepy, so children gymnasts especially women need to stop wearing exposing clothings
Yeah, "tradition" is no excuse for anything. Ask the women in India, say, who, "traditionally", used to be burned to death at their husband's funeral as women were deemed worthless without their husband. 😢
I stopped doing gymnastics because my coach told me I HAD to wear a leotard and to get over it. I wish I stayed with it but I'm proud I stood my ground and walked out.
I remember when I was a kid in gymnastics feeling so uncomfortable and self-conscious with my body when I had to wear a leotard for competition. I want girls to at least have an option if they want to wear shorts or leggings or whatever if they want to.
@@Jack-tk1is I have a feeling you're forgetting that a majority of the fans are also female..... If you listen to a live video of a floor routine, you'll hear a ton of female voices in the audience. I don't think they would mind not being able to see another woman's bum. Real life isn't like in your fantasies. Stop watching so much prnography
Even if the male fans stopped supporting these athletes, the female ones would still keep it in practice. Women will always support women. Moms, aunts, grandmas, they all want to see their girls succeed.
It's the same argument that a lot of male GYNs use. They say "If we leave, you'll lose money! Any industry without men will struggle financially!" They don't realize... Even if all the men were gone, a bunch of women would just take their places. Nothing of value would be lost. Sure, the industry might lose a little bit of money, but it's really not that big of a deal. At most, we'd probably lose like, what, $1.50 off our paycheck? We'd still be making $35/h. We could and would survive without y'all, like we have for the many centuries before y'all even bothered educating yourselves on how women's bodies work.
@@bellebonebag8096 Women also enforce rules on women. If you have some idea that there is some kind of universal sisterhood that would have each others back I would ask you if you have ever seen a group of women interact, like at all? They will all hug and make claims of sisterhood or friendship, not an hour goes by and the plots are already hatching.These guys are way worse to each other than men are. Sure guys physically fight more often but grudges are rarely carried long and it is not unusual for a couple guys that were beating the snot out of each other being best buds the next day. That never happens with women. Women like to hold that shit in an plot revenge. Maybe if women brawled more often it would be different. Nothing like a fight to burn off some aggression and there is nothing like the pain received in a fight to remind you the wisdom of giving peace a chance.
Not sure how it is shitty but whatever. The way don't guys wear them is simple nutsacks be afloppin' when you work hard and get sweaty. You want spontaneous nut sack appearances in the floor routine? Get guys wearing that stuff. Considering what some people are trying to put into women's sports we may have actual reason for nutsack coverage in women's gymnastics.
@@MrVictor1227 gymnasts of any body type should be able to wear a leotard without the crowd getting horny, because I guarantee whoever's horny is still gonna be horny looking at the shorts, so like why so horny to make that the NORM in the first place, there's a whole can of worms there like I don't advocate for it to be the norm but an option for everyone right?
as a girl i would always see gymnasts and be like, “that has to be so uncomfortable, if i was in their position i would feel super vulnerable” so i’m glad they have more options now
I never competed, so maybe that makes my opinion less valid or something... but I always wore my leo to class and usually had a pair of shorts I wore with them. When we did our big show at the end of the year, no shorts. And it was a bit awkward, but really wasn't that bad. (Especially with tough skin keeping things in place around the booty lol) I dunno, I guess it's the same as wearing a one piece swimsuit to the beach to me XD Leo's were super comfy to work out in, didn't have to worry about fabric flying around, or getting lose ect.
@@Fragile_Memoriesleos can be cute and comfy! which was probably why people had less of a problem or less of drive to fix it. but having pushback means you have a choice wether to wear it or not. so hopefully any little girl or boy can choose to wear shorts or. a true leotard and have no consequences for their preference and they are all confident ♥️
@@hueningpie I honestly didn't realize people considered them "sexualizing" until I saw this video. (With the exception of high cut Leo's, it's the same as wearing a one piece swimsuit going the beach to me lol) Leo's are just super pretty and cool to me and I love them lol I don't see how wearing shorts would ever be a problem in training, and I don't see how it would hurt to have some shorts on the leo or matching the leo for competition.
@@Fragile_Memories exactly! like the shorts can be matching so that it's not 'in the way of the judge's. they are very cute and honesty unitards can be as well if they are styled well. if someone wants shorts as a preference for confidence and the reply is 'well it's distracting or hard for the judges to pay attention to details so you HAVE to wear this' it starts getting weird. It should definitely be a choice. Ive never experienced being forced to not wear shorts but I wasn't really too competitive so 😭
@@hueningpie I never competed either but my coach put on a big show for us in May. That was the only time we didn't wear shorts and it never really bothered me to much. A little awkward at first, but got use to it after a while lol Those unitards can still be awesome too! Like, I don't see a big deal with competing with the shorts as part of the leo. Or going with a traditional Leo either. Lol
I’m so glad that the rules are less strict. Leotards tend to ride up a lot and I hate having my butt hanging out but you get deducted for fixing it while competing. And then I would have to decide between not shaving and being embarrassed when doing straddles and splits or shaving and having the most uncomfortable, itchy razor rash for three days.
This has kept me from starting any kind of gymnastics or dancing (ballet for example) when i was around 11 and had the chance to and tbh it still does.
When I was a gymnast, one of my biggest insecurities was having to wear a leotard with no shorts during competitions. It made me feel almost nakd in front of over a hundred people. I quit after 9 years because I didn't make much progress anymore and my club was a bit toxic too, and now I feel like I found my place in karate with amazing people and a much more comfortable and covering gear
@@aldeku_kun0073 Lol, I quit because I was so bad at it 😭 I lost a lot of my abilities during the lockdow because I didnt do almost any sport for almost 3 years, and starting karate was so hard for me, esprcially with my teacher (he used to be a coach in the military). But seriously, doing sports is so important for my mental health, so I cant imagine stopping now that I've experienced it. Also, my big goal is to have a capable body, so I can do anything I want and not be limited.
@@sacha8763i quit karate in 8th grade and picked up field hockey and haven't looked back since(I'm now in college don't play anymore other than for fun though)
As a female figure skater I did find it odd that they always made us wear sleevless dresses, where the skirt only goes to the bottom of our bums. It feels very short and uncomfortable. We lift our legs alot in positions and jump which causes the skirt to flip up alot. Luckily you can now buy sleeved dresses or leotards that cover your legs or even dresses with a longer skirt length 💕
The really long skirts always give me anxiety when I see skaters wearing them in competition. It seems like they could get caught in the blades. Pants, leggings or bodysuits with ankle length legs make more sense imo than long skirts.
I think a long skirt could cause some issues like for example a skate getting caught on the skirt for example and also people being perverts but I think long pants would be a better/safer option than longer skirts
no uniforms actually benefits how a person plays have you played before? there that short because you move you legs threw out the whole name and if you were to wear lose fitting pants it would weight you down when jumping and make you slower most uniforms also have long sleeves to protect your arms from getting bruised as much. it’s also the same with track most professional women were very small shorts this improves there speed by a lot you never see a track professional race in lose clothes cause it slows them down unlike volleyball most track uniforms have no sleeves so you can use your arms like basketball they have lose pants because you use your arms more than legs so it doesn’t improve or decrease your effectiveness when playing but the uniforms always have no sleeves because of how much you use your arms. tell me you haven’t played sports without telling me
My father taught gymnastics, so we did it as children. If you don’t wear tights you can get floorburns or stick to the equipment. Also with all the bending over and splits, it is very hard to do your best when the leotard alone is riding up or slowly becoming a thong. As an adult, I was shocked at what they were making the girls wear. You shouldn’t have to get a bikini wax when you’re twelve.
Sounds like it's the ruling body of the sport that's deciding. If the Germans were allowed to wear full body suits the Olympic Committee clearly didn't object. They only would if there's performance advantage. It shouldn't have taken this long.
In V-Ball we prevented floor burn with knee pads. I know knee pads will be cumbersome for a gymnast. No one is talking about leotards, but about the bodysuit. Women in gymnastics can wear the same stretch pants as men, that would prevent floor burns. Wearing the bodysuit shows off the body more, gives, clearer lines on females. Having said that, they can still choose to dress as the men. The men wear shorts or stretch pants over their body suits.
@@theire483 unitards are great for the games. Knee pads would get in the way and look cumbersome. You hav to impress the judges with a graceful body line.
@@tumatauenga6433 …well that was mean. My comment had more to do with how high the leotard is likely to ride, beyond the usual area which should be covered.
I have vivid memories of being an 11 year old gymnast, going through the horrors of female puberty, growing pubic hair, and being *mortified* when it was visible with my leotard on.
@@lonesparrow Yeah there's a comment in another thread here where a woman eas saying when she was young she hated how revealing the leos were and how she'd wear shorts over them and got punished for it. I'd be checking that mf coach's computer for cp because they seem like the type. gross behavior.
@@i-love-comountains3850 Eh, I doubt it was a male coach. Likely just someone strictly following regulation. Now as for why that regulation is so strict... 🤷🏾♂️
@@twosharksinatrenchcoat so if women started it what would be you point? You are IMPLYING men did it for nefarious reasons. PROVE IT. Don't be a sexist
@Babycake. Quick question what you call a tradition that's meant for women by women? Is that women or still male worship? ( I'm not defending the whole leotard Tradition because I would feel uncomfortable in one and want to cover up as well , thats there choice to make if they want to . I'm just curious by your definition. If there's a tradition that's only for women what would that be called?)
I was competitive gymnast in the 90s. We used to be so bitter that we had to tape are leotards to our asses because if we got wedgy, we get a deduction. The guys on the other hand got to wear comfortable gear.
I felt SO uncomfortable in leotards when I was a kid, but my gymnastics (and ballet) teachers said that girls HAD to wear them. I felt so peeved when Boys came to gymnastics class wearing pants when I couldn't...
I had to pull down my leotard constantly in gymnastics because the move made it ride up ur butt cheeks👎🏽 In ballet I never had to do that because we had to wear tights under the leotard and that prevented tge leotard from giving u a wedgie. Wearing the leotard was a problem in gymnastics but not in ballet.
sand volleyball actually has options already! i looked into it earlier this year. many still wear the bikini as it can be less restricting, doesn’t get in the way, etc.
lol I’m all for men in leos. Maybe they’ll have to glue it to their um 🍆 like women do to prevent slippage. Also they should have to shave like women do. Men with Brazilians BWUAHAHA BUT…. BUT *While I don’t think that leos are inherently sexist, however being FORCED to wear them as the only option is, especially all the high hip cut/cheeky leos in gymnastics. You don’t see much of that in ballet. Most are low cut on the hips. I DISAGREE full suits should NOT be allowed, it’s harder to see all movements/form esp when you WANT TO HAVE ALL SKILLS/TWISTS SEEN & GRADED APPROPRIATELY(unless your goal is fudging scores!) and I’m sure harder for spotters to make fast corrections(a leg could become an arm in an instant leading to falls,paralysis and possibly DEATH) esp when you’re doing hardcore moves that require great speed &power such as w/simone biles being in her own class alone. I do NOT want her getting hurt because no one can see what she’s doing as the full suit would just all blend together. Also grading on technicality, but shorts should be allowed! Seeing the legs allows for better grading. There’s a reason why tights tend to be nude color in dance/ballet so lines can be seen. Same for gymnastics. Now do I think full suits should be given as an option for say women’s volleyball or swimming? Yep! Again the issue is both choice and being fair in grading/safety.*
Honestly the full body suits look a lot more appealing and slick and and comparing it to a leotard is similar to comparing a suit to business casual I’m surprised they weren’t an option sooner
I am not at all surprised. Women have been fighting to have the right to choose functional and comfortable clothing since all of human history. If things were equivalent, men would have been wearing skimpy speedo style bottoms, that sat up the butt crack to better “show off the muscles and lines” (and dicks) to the judges and audience.
@@___LC___ I’ve never followed gymnastics I don’t really watch sports unless it’s two people in a ring beating the shit out of eachother hahaha and women in ufc and boxing have plenty of short and top options if you want more baggy or tight wear men and women . But I heard of these uniform issues on the womens side of sports for a long while since I was a kid and within the last decade I’ve seen them give more options just never knew gymnastics was so far behind I thought it would’ve been one of the first due to it being women dominated .
I think that’s amazing! I think a lot of sports are like this, especially volleyball. We need to have more modest choices for women. That should be a standard for everyone!
they tell you to slide for the ball and dive and shi too like I'm not trynna get floor burn bc yall want me to wear panties 😂 get me some workout PANTS and I'll slide like butter nd wouldn't have quit within a week. on the middle school team too, like ain the dress code no shorts above the knee? 😵💫 schools take two concerning stances about girls dress, that and cheerleaders longer shorts would still look cute under a shorter skirt
Since I've been three years old I have always worn spandex and actually if you dive correctly majority of the time you won't get floor burn only on arms that's why you wear arm sleeves or a long sleeve
i’m a level 6 gymnast and beam is my fav event. i’m flexible so my coach recommended a middle split mount. i loved it until i had to do it without shorts. i felt weird about it and changed my mount to a switch kick😕
@@Loralanthalas yeah that’s true to an extent but I can completely understand not feeling comfortable with everyone seeing your booty cheeks on full display, it’s not something you should have to get over to be successful
It’s very dumb we don’t have options in sports considering how sexualized our fits are. Meanwhile in outdoor sports you’re not allowed to wear tank tops (my Olympic training experience) because they’re distracting. But they make gymnastists have perma wedgie in the same breath
Yes and during the flips oh my god I have a trauma: I was doing flips and yk thank god I was wearing underwear. 😅 My underwear was showing so bad. Iykyk
As someone who used to watch volleyball I was always so confused as to why the men wore much longer shorts and women wore very short, tight fitting shorts. It serves no extra purpose to the women athletes, it only attracts perverts and obviously more clicks for the wrong reasons.
I would agree but there is actually not a restriction on womens volley ball apperence wise. They can wear normal shorts or even pants if they want. They choose to wear the shorts
Perverts? You mean natural instinct to check out the opposite sex? Also there’s no point in arguing about this. We all know damn well some women will find it degrading while other women love the attention they get from it. Just let the world keep on spinning
Pervert is a strong word. A man is not a pervert just because he looks at a woman he finds attractive. It's perfectly normal and natural to be attracted to someone. Imagine me calling you a pervert because you were looking at guys you thought were hot. It would be ridiculous.
I do pole dance as a sport, and I do understand having your skin exposed in pole (skin friction is important). I don't see why female gymnasts need to show skin. If there is no real need for wearing leotards, competing individuals should have a say regarding the articles of clothing they wish to compete in.
Thannk god. As someone who did gymnastics as a kid, there was nothing more awkward than walking in front of a bunch of strangers in basically a bathing suit that wedgied right up your crack / when you weren't even going swimming /
"Ath" A lot of females feel the same way and it is strange how females were required to wear those stereotyping outfits. However what if a male gymnast wanted to wear the kind of suit that female gymnasts had been required to wear?
@@obscurelyvague they could, but since it's not normalized obviously it's gonna get (negative) reactions. but, these costumes aren't comfortable to the majority of women yet it's their only option. The reaction of a man wearing it should be a sign of how inappropriate the outfit really is for anyone to be forced to wear. it should be a choice.
OMG FR 💀💀😭😭😭😵😃 the worst effing feeling EVER . Esp when you could tell their were some old creeps in the crowd just staring at u down and making you so uncomfortable. 😑😶 The worst f*ing feeling ever. Made me quit dance and swimming, it was so uncomfortable. and I always wished I could just wear shorts!! or leggings, or bodysuit leggings. I'M SO GLAD they're Finally considering changing it now after all this time!!! 😭 Not to mention it can be so cold some days I'd literally be shivering to death!!! 🥶☠️☠️💀❄️❄️ And God forbid if you ever have any body insecurities, dislike exposing skin, being stared at etc... it's insane how parents never Even think to ask their child's consent, if their comfortable, or listen to their feelings on a subject matter.- Also god forbid if you were even a drop overweight or built differently. -I've seen so many Stick skinny girls be shamed and 'called fat and told they needed to stop eating" or to lose weight". Teachers can be so harmful and encourage eating disorders in young girls. and create body image issues, and often tell already skinny girls they need to starve' and to lose weight. 😤🤬🙄💀
"This uniform oversexualizes the sport." "B-B-But it's tradition! Right from before women could vote or wear pants without being ridiculed! 🥺" Thank you, kind poster, for having common sense.
Actually it’s a recent development. In the 1920s they wore a special sort of skirt for modesty because it was the 1920s. A little later they moved on to short shorts because skirts are not exactly very easy to perform gymnastics in. Then some weirdos who clearly only wanted to look at women’s bodies complained about women always being sexualised and why do we have to wear these shorts that are uncomfortable and get in the way, and the world went, yeah ok I guess leotards are fine. Now we’re on the way back to square one I guess, ironically for the very same reason.
@@InceyWincey i mean women got the right to vote in 1930s so op is still kinda right, but thank you for the information! i guess the fight is not to create a new norm, but to give options to athleted to wear what they want
As a German female gymnast, I'm so proud this is finally being taken more seriously. Why did we have to invent butt glue before just changing the norms?
@@Grace-ms7un It sort of looks like a clear roll-on deodorant, only you put it on your butt cheeks and then press your leotard over it. It's meant to keep it in place during routines and stop it from sliding up too far, especially if you don't want the judges to see your underwear. It's kinda practical, sure, but I'd much rather just wear some shorts. Especially because you usually have to glue the leotard down again before every event.
I just figured that the German women gymnasts just wanted to hide their nutsacks. (There was once a time that would be an insult. Today it might be literally true. Particularly with the way Germany loves to adopt every bad social trend ever.)
Those bodysuits only became an option in the 90s. Irina Slutskaya was the first woman to compete in one. I remember the commentators being supportive. Somehow it failed to ruin the sport
I always hated leotards, and it was actually a big part of why I moved my attention to fencing, despite the fact that I was doing really well, and winning u14's and was nationally ranked. I grew really tall really quickly (I'm now 168.4cm, super tall considering my aunt, who competed in artistic internationally, is 4'7"). I have really, really pale skin and ginger hair and I got bullied really badly in my academy, because my thighs are so pale you can see veins everywhere. Having to show your crotch area with only a thin, narrow band of plastic between you and the possibility off inadvertently flashing everyone as you do a handstand and anything that involves splitting one's legs, in front of hundreds of people when you are only 13 and have barely entered puberty was.... difficult and, in many ways, pretty upsetting. Fencing was so completely different (I was the only girl in my coach's cohort) as you are completely covered. Gave me a lot of confidence in myself and just focus on what you're doing and your goals instead of this constant and unerasable self-conciousness that gym always gave me.... well, when I finally dropped gym altogether to devote 5 days a week training for fencing I barely missed gym 😅 edit: for dang h3athen muricans who don't understand metric, 168.4cm is just under 5 foot 6.5 feet, so im basically 5'6"
I’m so grateful for this. I have a couple friends who are gymnasts still to this day- but even when we were little, I remember this one time specifically I went to a friends competition to support her (we were in junior high) and 3 boys sat close to me and her older sister. I heard everything they said about how sexy the girls were and how they’d love to hook up with this one or get with that one. I was scarred and disgusted. Could you imagine the amount of old men that probably go to these competitions just to do the same?
When men get older they still think the same thing but they stop saying it out loud. We can't really control it. This is also why 'covering up' is a part of Islam.
@ravilagro7896 Bro, as a man myself, you can absolutly control it, youre just a creep with no self control and pretending like you have no choice but to be creepy is just a bad excuse. Be better
@@SilverCinder1 you can't control what thoughts come up in your mind, you can only do something once you have those thoughts. Which is my point, but you didn't grasp that and just called me a creep xd
@ravilagro7896 Yeah you can control your thoughts actually. That's like one of the main things you have control over is what goes on in your brain, and even more you have control over your actions and how you affect others around you. You have no self control, but I, as a man, have no problem controlling myself around attractive women. You're just weak and trying desperately to justify how you can't help it so you're not responsible for your shitty behavior. You even went to saying this is why women cover up in Islam... are you justifying how shitty women are treated in Islam? Be better dude
Lmao no dummy. It’s less restrictive on movement and is more breathable. Women do more lower body heavy routines, while men do upper body stuff, hence why men’s uniforms are sleeveless
Its also important because some cultures are more modest in clothing and to make the sport trully inclusive we have to create a clothing version that every woman from every culture can compete in
When i was a child, the idea of doing gymnastics was brought up to me. I loved the idea! I found gymnastics amazing! And then realized after like an introductory lesson/class that we got for free that if i were to do it throughout my life, it meant wearing leotards. I hated wearing bathingsuits in public as a child. I was the obnoxious kid the wore too much to the pool during summer break. But knowing that leotards were in my future for gymnastics i immediately decided i didn't want to do gymnastics. It was not worth it to child me. I have regrets now, but u am so glad that things are starting to change for those who are currently doing the sport!
I quit gymnastics because I couldn't do the moves comfortably in a body suit. I was tired of pulling the body suit down from the crack of my butt. Wearing a bodysuit when doing those moves is disgustingly ignorant.
Gurl its also a sport. The same sport these people have been dreaming and seeing before they even wore their first leotard. You cant join a competition knowing the rules and then complain about it later.
@@lol-ot4pn "...You can't join a competition knowing the rules and then complain about it later." I guess anyone dissatisfied with an injustice in their society should just up and k*ll themselves, or should just shut the fck up huh. Or better yet, nobody dare question any rule or system they're involved with that doesn't make sense by any logic. Because heaven knows that's not how mankind and society advanced over the ages. My good man, did you think this comment through before typing it?
@@dandelion1961 You can be sexualized for a lot of sports EVEN with significant amounts of clothing. Are you saying all of those gymnasts that willingly wear that are okay with being sexualized? See how you logic is not mathing?
I quit gymnastics at 11 years old because my coach wouldn’t let me wear shorts to a competition. I was so uncomfortable and was scolded in front of my team and our parents for not wanting to do so (this was in 1993). Then I went on to coach tumbling and trampoline from 2007-2015 as the tide finally started to turn. What a time to be alive 😃🎉
i wouldnt want my p*ssy to almost be hanging out in front of everyone either not now and especially not at that age just sick that that is a requirement
I can relate! I quit dance at 12 because they wanted me to wear a skimpy mini skirt and sports bra on stage, not to mention some suggestive choreo… so effed up
I loved that an American celebrity (forgot who) actually paid for the uniform fees they got for wearing pants. The Olympics need to modernize their standards because athletes like gymnasts and volleyball players have little to no coverage and the amount of running and jumping they have to do should automatically allow them to cover up if they choose to.
Not in sports but I had to dress in the track and field uniforms for a marketing video. The boys shorts went to just above the knee whereas the girls was sheer and barely covered the whole butt. Note that this is High School. I was told off by classmates for refusing to wear the girls shorts and instead pushing for the boys. Never hated being a woman more than in that moment.
When I was in high school shorts were briefly banned (essentially). They had to extend past your fingertips, which, I dunno, fine? Maybe? But no one was making shorts that long. There was not a single store that had an inseam longer than 3". We had a mini uprising because you can't force girls to wear pants in a school without air conditioning 😒
If there were ever any doubt about women being sexualized in leotards, I urge anyone to go check out the gymnastics NSFW subreddit. Men obsessively are watching their butts jiggle, taking screenshots of them in splits that show their crotch, etc. Like the community of men thirsting over gymnasts in their leos is actually more followes than the subreddit for those who actually follow the sport.
Honestly most things are sexualized or can be in some way and don't just blame the men because I saw a comment that said she had a female coach who wouldn't let her wear shorts and I've never seen it in a sexual way until this video brought it up
Yeah we have tights and part of my uniform is a wrap skirt anyway, and tutus in performances atleast feel like they give you some coverage even if they don't.
@lg403 Yeah it's disgusting that women HAVE to wear just leotards. If they want to then that's great but there needs to be other options, shorts/unitards are still tight and do not distract anyone so they should be allowed.
If i hear one more damn time the excuse of "it's traditional" in response to something that needs change so it can be more comfortable and appropriate i am gonna dunk someone in a basketball hoop
💯 You know what else is 'traditional'? Outhouses & lack of indoor plumbing. I don't see anyone advocating for that. It's never *really* about tradition.
The most stupid was, when I was 14. For a Girls Groupcompetition, the trainer wanted us to wear no underwear under it. Not even a sportsbra for comfort. We refused and got minus points because it was possible to see our underwear. We were 9-16 Years old
yes this makes sense, as a gymnast, the no underwear rule is important. but for the no bras what i do is buy leotards with built in bras and if you are going to wear one, make sure straps are small or hidden
@@StoryTelling1O1Ah yes, because 9 year olds should be doing flexible tricks in tiny uniforms with no undergarments and expose themselves to an entire audience. Honestly. The fact that a "no underware" rule exists in professional sports is telling enough.
I quit gymnastics as a kid bc puberty hit early and I was uncomfortable wearing a revealing, uncomfortable leotard. So happy women are getting more options now
"Men have so much options we need more then them" This is to the women who think they need more rights: you don't deserve more rights because you already have far more and you are really un great full most men have committed suicide then women so yea men should deserve ALL OF THE RIGHTS
The worst part being full bodysuits have been authorised for A WHILE in the code. The real question is WHY it was never an option when it was IN THE FUCKING RULEBOOK
Traditions can be bad, but it is also great. There's great wisdom in the past and I don't think it should be meddled with lightly. There's a reason traditions exist, and some stand the test of time.
i feel that everyone in the Olympics or any other competition should be able to wear the safest, most sustainable outfit during the competition. leotards are uncomfortable, but some ladies like them, so they continue to wear them :)
do you think any of the mens uniforms are sexualised in any way? could a male outfit be sexualised ? what would that look like leotards were invented by a guy for guys why don't male gymnasts them more often
Yes! Shouldn't we remove any barriers possible that could prevent the absolute pinnacle of human performance? Stress-inducing uniforms is a no-brainer to get rid of.
@@jamesgoldring1052 Its a prejudice I guess. Men in leotards aren't taken seriously by other men (eg. guys in Ballet). Everyone deserves to choose what they want to wear
I didn’t do gymnastics because of the leotards. The grooming issues are horrific, and even as a kid waggling my privates at the entire world with only a teeny bit of cloth over them was Not Ok.
@@bubba3796 I see all your other comments and I just can't imagine how entitled you have to be to tell women what can or can't happen with a body part you clearly have never even seen 😂✋️
As I am a female gymnast I am so happy we are finally getting more options I hate wearing my leotard with out shorts on as I have had lot’s of people wolf whistle stare come smack my behind and have had one try to corner me after the meet I am wearing shorts all the time during practice and me and the other gymnast’s have talked to our coach about getting a new uniform option that’s a full bodysuit one for practice and one for meets
It’s unacceptable that anyone attending a gymnastics competition isn’t there merely to admire the athletes and support them as they compete. That said, what you wear shouldn’t have anything to with it. Sexual harassment has no place anywhere.
I'm not a gymnast, but I do follow women's gymnastics. And I have a dumb question. Do you think the longer pants are safe, or will they be binding or create friction? Thanks in advance. 🙂
@@eetoved1758 I think that the longer pants are safe and won’t create binding or friction because they are made of the same materials as our leotard’s but that’s just for my team it might be different for other teams
@@xl51956 what don’t you believe about it? Expand on your comment. I think you’re being purposefully vague because you actually don’t know what you’re talking about. You just want to look at a girls body but don’t want to just say the truth.
I quit gymnastics like 4 years ago because the leotards were getting sexualized by the men watching and our own instructor shamed us because our bodies weren’t “presentable” in tight clothes. Made a lot of people hate the sport and my friend started sh because of her body insecurities that the instructors projected on her.
@@NapOfNaps1) Body shaming is deeply woven into the history of gymnastics, even for girls who are already really thin; 2) If someone is overweight and they are still a successful gymnast, then it's not your place to comment on their weight and it's especially not your place to tell them they look "unpresentable" in a leotard. That's just gross.
@@erinm9445 that's not gross, that's the objective reality if someone weighs 300lbs, they're objectively not presentable in a leotard. I do think that the first point you mentioned is entirely valid though, reasonably weighted girls shouldn't be shamed for it.
@@NapOfNaps You have an odd definition of objective. There's nothing objective about the idea that an overweight person is unpresentable, that is your subjective opinion.
Imagine getting ready for a competition and having to shave your bikini line, if not the whole area, the night before. It would take away from the sport and an added stress that men aren't expected to wear
100%. let them wear leotards if they want to, but allow them alternatives. I remember watching womens floor gymnastics back at the olympics and I was kind of weirded out by how there were photographers who very, very clearly positioned and tried to take photos from certain angles during some exercises that a lot of women wouldn't be comfortable with.
Yeah was a gymnast growing up and even as a kid it felt reeeeally weird having someone right behind me with a camera in the corner of the floor. At that point you're typically setting up/concentrating for a tumbling pass but it's still weird and arguably distracting
@@marleejohn3519 yea. taking snapshots while you are doing a jumo with spread legs and all. it's weird. and it's not a good angle to actually show the move either. it's just for percy snaps
@@marleejohn3519 i mean OK, it can be a decent place to shoot for passes, fair enough. but they are very weirdly ready for crotch shots when the chance comes. at least with adults. but lets be honest, some olympic gymnasts are cery young
Traditions are NEVER a good argument. Never. Edit: I'd like to add that I'm not against traditions. I just think that they are never argument for not changing a situation, because things have to change.
I am very confused, we want to be able to show the most possible skin as women in defense of "it's my body" but here you can and now it's a protest? If you were forced it would be a different conversation, but it wasn't forced was it?
@@Similo What we want is to not be forced to either option. And to not make a big deal out of our bodies. They are normal and deserve to be viewed as such. If someone is comfy in their leotard, more power to them. If someone isn't and wants shorts or leggings, that also should be an option. Restricting women's options is simply wrong, no matter the context.
@@Similo Leo is forced well, thankfully now things are changing. Also it's a choice whether one wants to show skin or not u can't police people's choices
It just makes me so uncomfortable knowing that these very young girls are basically showing EVERYTHING! Perverts are flooding those sports and I really don't want those girls to be exposed to them like that.
@@xxxmelissatacionxxx I don't know about that one, I've watched the "what's happening to women's figure skating" series by Fran and my blood is still boiling! I hope there really is a documentary on Netflix as well, cause these sick people need to be exposed!
@@chubbydinosaur9148 oh damn!! 😬 I don't remember the name of the gymnastics one, but if you type up peadophile female gymnastics Netflix you should be able to find it :)
I would think women have enough pressure without worrying about periods or rashes from painful waxing. Dental floss coverage would certainly encourage sexism.
honestly it's the thing that discouraged me completely when I was younger. wearing anything different wasn't an option and I felt extremely uncomfortable
Same here. I was small, pretty flexable and fearless. Perfect right? But I wanted to feel covered. They made you take off pants or shorts, I tried tights or leggings- nope. I tried to even just wear underwear under my leotards- still no!! Looking back it felt weird and sexualizing to have so many adults policing my underwear. They even had other girls snitching on me for wearing underwear- which feels insane now!! I was 4 to 9 I think, but when I hit my tomboy faze I was DONE.
@@annak8755 I did gymnastics for years, but ballet lasted 3 lessons.As uncomfortable as I felt at gymnastics it was 100xs worse at ballet. Ontop of fixating on my underwear they made me pin up my bangs and tried to take my glasses. I have a high forehead and am just a bangs girl. And I'm LEGALLY BLIND w/o my glasses, like can't function lol. Like I said 3 classes and I was OUT. I'm sorry this happened to so many of us. But at least it made us smarter & stronger. Lotsa love.
Awesome content! So refreshing. I love that the German team pushed back. Young girls shouldn’t be forced to wear a tiny bikini bottom in front of so many people. Makes me think of the beach volleyball controversy where the women who play are fighting against the teeny uniform.
The full body suits look so much more comfortable. You don’t have to worry about wedgies and then having to REMOVE said wedgie! I can understand not wanting the women to have skirts or pants that obscure the muscles or mess up the lines of the body but that’s what is so great about the full suit. It is still just as elegant and smooth.
I also notice weird camera angles for women in the floor routine. Like, I'd want to see a wide angle in preparation for the jump, instead, we'd see a zoom on body shot that follows the body to the jump. It's weird overall, and takes the focus away from athleticism to the body 🫤🙄
I completely agree with you. As a student of gymnastics in the mid 90s and the 2000s.
I found it very uncomfortable, and I was incredibly self-conscious to be wearing a revealing outfit from the age of 11 right up until 16.
Also, I was constantly worried about my menstrual flow when performing in front of people.
I’m a gymnast and some of our Leo’s have really high hips and really low or mesh necklines.
Exactly. We women in the audience feel for you. They should wear the full bottoms they used to make for dance class when you wanted to wear your choice of top rather than 1 piece leotards. And have boy shorts as an option. The leotards of today are soooosheer and they ride up the butt--guys watch these vids just to ogle the girls and women. A tampon string could hang out so easily. And the waxing required for pre-teens and young teens is obscene. But as a minimum, they need to use a thicker fabric and fuller cut. And the boy shorts could be worn over the leotard for practice and when modesty is desired.
@cyninbend not to mention how heavily sexualised these sports and anything artistic like ballet, contemporary dance (if including such outfits) or even beach sports(!), swimsuits too are... if they gave women the choice on the outfit instead and/or made it so everyone regardless of sex or gender had a choice in that perhaps some people would feel more comfortable performing.
Even some ballet studios, for example, will give you the choice of attending classes with shorts on top of leotards in the bottom half (and in performances, there are tutus of course, depending on what it is) and honestly save for perhaps some performances here where you have to jump over obstacles (e.g. vault) I honestly don't see why they're so excessively sheer in material or tight, other than for the sake of sexualising women's bodies. There's a difference between confidence and sexualisation and I feel like with the outfits it's explicitly for the sake of some unmentioned fanswrvice, especially because there will be creeps as old as these performers' grandparents or relatives.
@@cyninbend Not just women. I also think it's wrong to not allow women to cover up if they want to, it's disgusting
@@rigure If only we had more people like you than creepy weirdos. It's a sad reality we live in.
THE FULL BODYSUITS LOOK AMAZING
*Nice - with leotards gone, men will be driven now to only Hardcore Porn - since all the Softcore stuff is being removed - good job to all the idiots that didn't think ahead and see what this would mean for men growing up.* 🧠👈
IKR
Yup definitely doesn't sexualize the female body either.. by entirely conforming to it and showing your entire body shape..only difference is less skin is openly exposed.. however another comment made a solid point the whole point for the leotards and why men are always sleeveless is entirely about showing off peak physique of the body for men it's primarily upper body strength for women it's lower body strength...
Though it's gymnastics not body building..
Agreed
@@yulfine1688you just got one thing wrong. They do it to because they have too not to show their “leg strength” and I think full body pants are much more appropriate then something that’s no less then an inch away from seeing your 🐱 if theirs even an inch. Then theirs children’s gymnastics too idek who in their right mind would let a child do that in front of people (idk if they wear the same uniforms as children tho but if they do it should definitely be changed)
at LEAST shorts should be allowed. idk why they expected every woman to just be ass out all the time
And they can lose points for a clothing mishap.
@@marti220 Which is especially bad, when the cuts have been getting higher & narrower. They're barely Brazilian-back bikini bottoms at this point. The bottoms used to match the men's unitards back in the day; practically a boyshort bottom.
Even more egregious now that they're not all retiring before even hitting menarchy (female puberty). Their grown woman curves do NOT fit in girls' uniforms, much less stay in them, even with all the butt glue!
Who were the founding (patriarchal) "fathers" of gymnastics who decided on these rules (to indulge their lecherous/p3dophilic desires) by the way? ☢️♂️
@@marti220 so like Janet Jackson? A dumb guy exposes her and she gets blamed & castigated for it?
Or basically like ALL female prostitutes - scum men "enjoy" them and then discard & demonize them after "use"? It's that clear pattern of an infamous aspect of *#toxicmasculinity* that has ruled over us for centuries, right? ☢️♂️
I remember I was in 6th grade, it was my first year competing, and we weren’t allowed to wear shorts in meets. I was so scared of getting my first code red, and my mom didn’t want me to wear tampons(and neither did I). So when U.S.A. gymnastics said shorts were allowed the next season, oh my gosh you don’t understand the relief I felt.
As a person who swam competitively and had swimsuits almost every day, there’s a lot of drawbacks that aren’t obvious if you’re not wearing them yourself in sports. For example, you have to shave every 2-3 days, and the fabric from the suit glides against the skin in a very sensitive area when you’re doing sports, so everyday you’re trying to reduce and manage razor burns. And it actually distracts you while you’re competing. I’m not saying leotards and swimsuits are exactly the same, but I bet there’s a lot of commonality.
Water polo is worse. I think something like a skin tight wetsuit would be safer because girls will stick their hands inside your suit to grab and pull you down. The suits are so tight (exactly to prevent this) that they ride up to your waist making it easier to reach. It's brutal in there. Plus I have seen pervert edits of competitions on youtube while looking to study skills.
Maybe that's just me being non-binary and not a women - but if they need you to wear these things nobody can demand you always shave?
That & now the styles are all getting skimpier every year! Now the backs of these suits go almost up the crack like thongs or semi-thongs. Especially diving teams, but some lap racers too
At least in swimming there's equality lol
I'm also a former competitive swimmer. So I'll ask you the same question I asked my swim coach as a child: why is it more advantageous athleticly for women to cover different parts of their bodies than the man?
i actually find this really interesting, i did gymnastics for 15 years before i quit, i was always told off for wearing shorts or leggings during practice so that we wouldn’t get used to it for competitions, quite sad tbh considering we were all minors
My kiddo is told the same. They can wear shorts outside of competition season, but during competition season, no. Such an odd thing!!
They are perverts who deserve some punches to the face.
I'm still trying to figure out how leos are sexual.. but aside from that, I think the shorts are perfectly fine. I just appreciate being able to see an athlete's muscle structure.. but you can definitely do that with shorts just fine. sometimes it just takes time to modernize things with a long history of tradition, but I'm glad they're catching up though.
ps: I'm sure your coaches wanted you to be comfy in practice, but also knew there were rules for competitions that had to be followed. so it makes sense, at least until the rules are changed.
@@jillybeangamingThe reason they're sexual is because you can see everything short of the labia themselves. Contestants have to use hairspray or similar just to keep their cheeks from showing. It's sexual because straight men watch it HOPING for a wardrobe malfunction exposing women's bodies. The odds of that also being much higher than men in their shorts or tights, as well as being a much more severe exposure, since this is their only layer covering them, while men usually have underwear under their shorts or tights.
@@mockingjay478 if men are watching children, hoping for a wardrobe malfunction, then we have bigger problems than leos. I mean, you could say the same about what the fellas wear.. "you can everything but the veins running down his dick." but I don't consider the men's outfits sexual either. it's sportswear. if the girls feel more comfortable in shorts, then that's great. they should allow shorts. but still, gotta go back to that first point and say ew.
Lawful good: Women can wear shorts or leggings. Their choice.
Chaotic good: Men have to wear a leotard too. That makes everyone equally sexy.
Lawful good: Actual feminism
Chaotic good: Modern feminism
"sexy" ... More like a sausage party ... 🙈
@@kingkaizoku85 the thing u are calling "modern femininity is needed also, to give men a taste of their own medicine. 😂😂
@@km31179 Ah yes because ALL men did something bad to women and it isnt just their ex's
@@kingkaizoku85 nope, I didn't mean all men . Those male gymnasts have nothing to do with leotards as they didn't invent or framed the rules. It would be nice to make those men in sports authority and those saying "its traditional " wear leotards and make them dance in front of everybody.😂it would be quite a sight.😂 You might be knowing that people in power are mostly corrupt. And THEY make the norms. So the best thing to do is protest and disobey, like the german gymnasts did.🙂
Btw l didn't get what x y z you are talking about.🤔 l am saying these things from the perspective of gymnastics only.
I’m a gymnast and I’m so glad we’re getting more options cuz sometimes the leos are really uncomfy
I argued my mother down when I was seven regarding gymnastics.
The leotards made me body conscious, and I HATED them. Even during class and training, our instructors told us they restricted movement, and we had to leave our buttcheeks out.
We were made to wear them during dance and ballet as well, but I wore shorts over my leotards anyway. They sent home several letters to my parents regarding my disobedience.
The leotards at collegiate level are almost like thongs these days
Leotard + period is the worst
I see people saying that leotards are uncomfy all the tune but I don't think they're really that bad like I kinda like them
Yessss it always gets stuck in my ass
Beach handball has this problem too. The norwegian team recieved a penalty in 2021 for wearing shorts instead of bikinis. A lot of womens sports are sexualised, and people are claiming "tradition" to keep weird rules in place. The dresscodes should be the same for men and women.
Apparently for OLYMPIC beach volleyball they can wear shorts and a singlet if they want and many choose the bikini, but many other competitions force bikinis while the men wear shorts and a singlet. Like the only sport where men have to wear equally as revealing gear is swimming
It's fine. If you want to see sports where they both wear something small then watch water polo or diving
If you’ve ever had this conversation with high school volleyball “enjoyers” you know how creepy it gets. It’s really disgusting, and girls who voice concerns get shamed and insulted and aren’t even allowed to join the sport unless they’re willing to wear training wheel thongs in front of giant crowds of people.
I’m not watching the stupid thing unless she is wearing skimpy clothes
@@gooodmorning4526 Men wear more revealing gear in the swimming than women especially in the Diving.
As someone who did 6 years of gymnastics and now figure skates: the dress codes are bullshit! They actually make it harder for us to do tricks and skills and are super weird and uncomfy...
Precisely 👍🏼
Every time I watch those 2 sports (and others in the leotard realm) I just wonder how much time the women lose to grooming and grooming-recovery that would be better spent practicing, doing PT, sleeping, etc.. It’d be nice if they just had more downtime too, but juxtaposed against the time male gymnasts (et al.) get to perfect their sport, it’s such a waste.
I'm a figure skater and I have never competed, but if I ever get to that situation I will wear leggins or shorts😅😅 I can't imagine performing in underwear, I couldn't concentrate on the elements properly if I had to worry about my outfit...
@katsuuuuuu8254 This misogynistic society actually tells women they can't wear spandex shorts or the like underneath our leotards!
Can u believe it!!!!! 🤔
I believe that. Just getting a wedgie and having it ride “up” in the wrong area would be very uncomfortable.
Every gymnast starts out as a child. Imagine being 12 and worrying about your bikini wax because a bunch of people are gonna be staring at your almost naked body.
Right?! When I was that age, I felt uncomfortable even wearing shorts. I know for a fact that having to expose part of my butt cheeks (or an area newly growing hair) would have been a deal-breaker for participating in a sport. Bodies change so much as tweens and teens. Why make it harder on them?
Im a dancer and I felt the same way! It’s disgusting!
@Screech911 I will say for dance there is a reason. The teachers need to be able to see that you are doing everything properly. You could really hurt yourself if you're not. Doesn't change how weird it feels though.
Edit: This is not a hill I'm willing to die on. I agree with the alternatives y'all are giving. I was a very self conscious kid who hated the tights. All I wanted to express was the importance of making sure no one hurts themselves.
@@BearlyAiden Very aware of that, I’ve been dancing for 11 years now. 😊
I’d still prefer shorts and a waist band to identify the waist for examination though.
@Screech911 fair enough, when I danced I would have proffered that as well
Same in track and field and volleyball. I ran track and wee Speedo and a short tank. Marion Jones Olympian track athlete was asked why she didn't wear speedos like the other women athletes. That it makes them run "faster". Her response was epic... "then why don't the men wear them".
Thousands of muslim athletes compete in these competitions and wear decent clothing without problems or being forced to change, even in the Olympics.........
Because we naturally run faster, blame mother nature for being sexist.
@@John-Alighieri Then wear them to go even faster.
@@hussein6173 xD ffs we going to start following muslim rules for women now? That goes really well.
We called them “buns” on my track team. We all claimed they made us faster but we were always picking out wedgies at the finish line
Really glad that germany pushed the full bodysuits for women
I’m not and here’s why…. *While I don’t think that leos are inherently sexist, however being FORCED to wear them as the only option is, especially all the high hip cut/cheeky leos in gymnastics. You don’t see much of that in ballet. Most are low cut on the hips. I DISAGREE full suits should NOT be allowed, it’s harder to see all movements/form esp when you WANT TO HAVE ALL SKILLS/TWISTS SEEN & GRADED APPROPRIATELY(unless your goal is fudging scores!) and I’m sure harder for spotters to make fast corrections(a leg could become an arm in an instant leading to falls,paralysis and possibly DEATH) esp when you’re doing hardcore moves that require great speed such as w/simone biles. I do NOT want her getting hurt because no one can see what she’s doing as the full suit would just all blend together. Also grading on technicality, but shorts should be allowed! Seeing the legs allows for better grading. There’s a reason why tights tend to be nude color in dance/ballet so lines can be seen. Same for gymnastics. Now do I think full suits should be given as an option for say women’s volleyball or swimming? Yep! Again the issue is both choice and being fair in grading/safety.*
Agreed plus they looked beautiful
@@macawlovers1964 This argument fails completely when you consider A. the male gymnasts get to wear clothes that cover their ass, the upper thigh where pubic hair grows, and sometimes legs, without their safety being considered at risk, and B. this issue can simply be fixed through appropriate choice of color? I mean, then maybe color them brightly and distinguish the legs from the rest at the joint, etc. No one is demanding they wear a unicolor black suit.
@@hannahg.8572 perhaps I think I was fixating on color, good notice. When I saw the full black suit it really just made everything VERY difficult to see and I think any dark color would do the same, but also if the whole body suit was one color(and esp same shade) it would have the same affect. You mention men’s gymnastics, BUT women’s gymnastics is a whole separate sport basically. I just don’t want any issues with safety and as a the viewer/judge it may get a bit difficult to see the best. I’m with you though, cheeky leos are mind boggling to me how that even became a thing which seems sexist as the only option. It’s pure insanity! Your shorts should have always been allowed or something that covers your bottom fully. Seriously how did the whole cheeky Leo come about in the first place? Did they claim its for better range of motion or something?
@@macawlovers1964Knowing about all the abuse that happend in gymnastics im not suprised leo's were a thing. I used to do gymnastics and compete. I was extremely uncomfortable in those clothes, which was one of the big reasons i stopped.
Can we also talk about how bra straps or underwear being seen until a leotard is an instant point deduction?! You give me a tiny suit that falls exactly on my underwear lines and then ask me to stretch and flip around which can cause my suit to move around possibly showing my unders and that's a problem? This was something I never understood and made me mad as a gymnast
LITERALLY OR FIXING A WEDGIE LIKE???
You've got me flashing back to that scene in that movie where she pulls out her bra strap but I'm old and can't remember the name of it 😖 I freaking love that movie, my brain has failed me 🤦 I'm SO glad this conversation is finally happening!
@Life as Rini I think it may be Stick It (2006). That scene is on UA-cam too.
Omg that’s crazy
That is BS.
Okay but the German fit was actually stunning though, if I was a female gymnast I'm jump on board immediately
They looked like superheroes! 👍
I think they're called unitards and yes, they look amazing. I want one and I'm not even a gymnast😅
But those unitards look equally as sexual as the leotards.
The black legs are a bad choice
@@princessfondu7322 Why?
i get major red flags every time someone says “it’s traditional, so you can’t change it”
Like, there's of course some thought that needs to be spared of how and why it is the way it is right now, but if that reason is just fucking stupid... Well, then throw the thing out the window
As someone enjoys traditions. I agree, it a major red flag.
Most traditions have actual reasons behinds it, tell the actual reasons, don't just say "iT's TrADItiOn" and expect people to respect it.
Exactly! A lot of things used to be "traditional" or "always done like that". Most of them are now illegal or just seen as deplorable acts. Don't do things just because it's the way they've always done it.
Ehh i agree and disagree as long as it’s not wiped out same red flags with those who want bans or changes that a majority don’t agree to or isn’t a problem
if your best argument is that it’s a tradition, it’s probably not a very good tradition
i believe part of the full bodysuit movement was also in protest to the severe sexual abuse by coaches many young women in the sport have faced
who would've thought that a sport where women have to compete with half their bums showing would attract predators and spedos.
The gymnastics world is starting to heal since the karolyis are out of the picture
I'm all for equality. Let men wear leotards.
You don't want that 🤣
I don't want see the bottom
@@ammarriaz4846 I do
@@ammarriaz4846 yes I do. Why do you guys forget some ppl like men?
Most of the male gymnasts have cake. Let them show them off
I’ve grown used to Leo’s but infront of people outside the gym I feel really uncomfortable in a Leo so I’m glad we’re some what opening the options
It’s distracting to those other people as well. A lot of guys get bothered by displays like that. It’s not that you want to look but it’s in the masculine nature to have your eyes drawn to such things. Personally, I’d rather like to be able to go about my day without someone’s ass being shoved in my face. It’s inherently sexual and promotes distracting thoughts and behaviors.
@@thebiggestpanda1 what are you? An undtrained dog?
Women don't have to dress to please men or to make them comfortable.
@@el5001 No. It's a separate point to add to the conversation because they are social.
@@thebiggestpanda1 I’ve had people stare at me before competition because of what I was wearing so I kinda understand
@@thebiggestpanda1 it isn’t human nature to lust over kids in glitter costumes, that’s predatory sir. In the bible it says to poke out the eyes of any man who does as such, and you best know I WILL poke your eyes out sir.
Dude, that full body suit looked fantastic! There's no reason why the women have to wear glorified swimsuits to perform if they don't want to.
More space too to make the clothes look good for some of the more artistic parts of the competition.
Body suit looked ridic WHICH IS WHY THE MAJORITY STILL WEAR TRADITIONAL LEOS. idiot
Not sure about gymnastics, but in a lot of sports, the skimpy and impractical female outfits were put into the rules to keep women feminine shortly after Title IX passed because many opponents of the law thought sports would make women too masculine. The outfits don't add any competitive advantages over wearing similar outfits to what the men wear.
@chickenwhisperer8861 People who funded female sports in the 1970s through today. Otherwise,there wouldn't be so much pushback against women wanting to wear actual workout clothes instead of skimpy bathing suits and leotards to competitive sporting events.
@@chickenwhisperer8861ayoo clearly you haven’t seen what’s called the “Man-o-sphere” or the “red pill” side of UA-cam, it’s some real toxic stuff. They believe that women shouldn’t try to really pursue their own career or aspirations, but rather submit to a man like it’s the 1920s 😂. Isnt surprising to see that most of them have a 5th graders perspective and critical thinking skills.
The amount of people who say that this will ruin the sport for them is insane
only pervs will say that lol
Maybe, BUT *While I don’t think that leos are inherently sexist, however being FORCED to wear them as the only option is, especially all the high hip cut/cheeky leos in gymnastics. You don’t see much of that in ballet. Most are low cut on the hips. I DISAGREE full suits should NOT be allowed, it’s harder to see all movements/form esp when you WANT TO HAVE ALL SKILLS/TWISTS SEEN & GRADED APPROPRIATELY(unless your goal is fudging scores!) and I’m sure harder for spotters to make fast corrections(a leg could become an arm in an instant leading to falls,paralysis and possibly DEATH) esp when you’re doing hardcore moves that require great speed &power such as w/simone biles being in her own class alone. I do NOT want her getting hurt because no one can see what she’s doing as the full suit would just all blend together. Also grading on technicality, but shorts should be allowed! Seeing the legs allows for better grading. There’s a reason why tights tend to be nude color in dance/ballet so lines can be seen. Same for gymnastics. Now do I think full suits should be given as an option for say women’s volleyball or swimming? Yep! Again the issue is both choice and being fair in grading/safety.*
@@macawlovers1964 i understand that it can make the sport safer, but a lot of people in comments are saying thing like “I won’t be watching if they continue this” gives me an suspicion that they watch it for an other reason
Because pedophiles love this Sport. As we have been proven with larry nassar
@@macawlovers1964okay so the legs of a full bodysuit could be a different color than the arms. Problem solved. Now everyone can see the difference between an arm and a leg.
My problem is that its EXTREMELY uncomfortable and you have to shave/wax downthere which for me leaves me a rash or stuck hair everytime and it HURTS
Looks good tho 😂
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@@TakeHit0bruh
@@undyla-chan1675 he is not kidding
@@TakeHit0men would look good in leotards 2, I'm pretty sure there's a lot of people who would appreciate the bulge. Or, we can let competitors do what they want as long as it's professional and comfortable and doesn't hinder performance you weirdo
Gymnastics is supposed to be judged as a competition of physical ability and coordination. Clothing should have nothing to do with that so long as they are snugly fit. The full body suit looked slick as hell and is just as effective as the leo.
FR! Same goes with figure skating and other sports too!
Fr, 7 year old me and my gymnastics group were so done with pulling it out of our ass cracks
@@bonnylouwho76 I was a gymnast my whole life and I don’t really like it. You also get deducted if you try to fix a wedgie too 😭
@@bonnylouwho76 Exactly! I really loved gymnastics as a little kid, but it quickly turned into a love-hate relationship. I was self conscious of my body even as a little kid but I loved learning new skills and practicing. I quit gymnastics multiple times when I was younger and I almost regret it because I could have become an elite gymnast.
I quit club gymnastics and I joined my high school team after not being in gymnastics for a few years. It was only in my senior year last year, that the rules allowed gymnasts to wear plain black leggings or plain black shorts!
Yup, if the men get to dress in comfy sport clothes why not women?
I actually remember seeing a comment in some other video about women protesting over the over-sexualized uniforms in women sports, a certain individual said "Women sports were never interesting, atleast these clothes helped them getting more exposure and attention."
When I tell u I felt so disgusted by a mere comment....
the actual fuck... i don't even do any of these sports but as a woman this made me so uncomfortable
Men think only on a men view
Literally just confessing to seeing them as eye candy and not talented & extremely hardworking athletes. That's vile.
95% of sport fans are men. Start watching sport pay for tickets etc then you can complain and feel offended. Typical WNBA logic. Nobody cares about this boring league especially women don't care.
@@pio7763 Sir, I'm not really into sports and couldn't care less because it's not my taste. But that doesn't really rationalize the nasty and creepy comments that's being thrown to those atheletes who worked hard to reach where they are. U who just sitting on ur couch eating nachos and commenting on a youtube comment box, won't understand.
There’s no reason to have their cheeks out, it’s so freaking random. I always feel a little bit bad
Lol yea it kinda sucks (I’m in gymnastics) I always wear shorts to practice tho
It really depends mostly. Some gymnasts don’t like it but a lot of them such as Simone bikes prefer the leotards
@@halloweenfan158it’s probably because it’s what she’s used to. She’s used to training in them and competing in them so it would probably feel strange to wear something else. It should totally be an option though. You can’t argue that they need them so the judges can see imperfections (or whatever it is they say) better because if that were the case then men would have to wear them too. A full body leotard is still skin tight so you can see fine but they wouldn’t have to have their @$$ cheeks hanging out
"It's tradition!" Isn't an argument. It's an excuse to not change.
Exactly well said
Saying "its new! Therefore better" Its not an argument either. If 99% people don't mind it, keeping a tradition seems fine to me.
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 Many improvements are dismissed because of tradition. If it isn't better, being new is irrelevant anyway.
so..if its tradition we need to follow it?U know some traditions are a bad tradition
I think weird al made a song about blindly following tradition called Weasel Stomping Day. Its about a random holiday where everyone just stomps random weasels to death because its tradition
I'm honestly confused why things like this actually become a debate. Can we not just let athletes wear whatever they want so we can focus an actual problems?
Because people who want to stare at women wearing skimpy gymnastics clothing wants to argue against the freedom of clothing choice.
The only problem I have with unitards is that it a little unfair for those who don’t have them on because when the knee is covered it’s harder to tell if it’s bending just a little bit, which is a deduction, so I think that long shorts and such are fine, just as long as their knee is showing due to the precise nature of gymnastics (speaking as a gymnast)
@@gooseberries2930 but men wear pants that actually loose around the knee. The skin tight leggings don't necessarily camouflage knee bend, plus any gymnast could choose to wear leggings if they think a Leo puts them at a disadvantage.
These are also actual problems even if they don't seem important to you. Step by step we progress, it's also important to cover all the areas to make an advance
@@gooseberries2930 which is evidently no longer an issue once its a man in a body suit, and sometimes even looser pants? The female knee is a mystery?
Love those full body suits they look so much more comfortable and have an elegance to them.
I agree, they look very elegant! I think it makes their lines look better. It also puts the focus more on what they're doing than on their body morphology, at least for me, because I often find myself watching a female gymnast and thinking about how precarious the leotard looks instead of appreciating her skills and all the work she's put into them.
Edit: typo
They also look less painful
@@gaia7240 And you probably wouldn't need to spray your butt with adhesive (glue) so your leotard stays in place.
And more space to use exciting colours and design.
@@beepbopboop7727 Good example, Figure skating.
Literally the entire reason leotards were introduced (and similar garments for other sports) was basically a misogynistic argument that if women are going to fight so hard to take part in sports, may as well stick them in something revealing so they still adhere to the male gaze. Look it up, when women were first allowed into sports that was the quiet argument behind the outfits
wheres the citation? would be helpful
It was to make people watch it. Otherwise your just watching an inferior version of male sport.
Like ehat is the case in basketball and football
Maybe, BUT *While I don’t think that leos are inherently sexist, however being FORCED to wear them as the only option is, especially all the high hip cut/cheeky leos in gymnastics. You don’t see much of that in ballet. Most are low cut on the hips. I DISAGREE full suits should NOT be allowed, it’s harder to see all movements/form esp when you WANT TO HAVE ALL SKILLS/TWISTS SEEN & GRADED APPROPRIATELY(unless your goal is fudging scores!) and I’m sure harder for spotters to make fast corrections(a leg could become an arm in an instant leading to falls,paralysis and possibly DEATH) esp when you’re doing hardcore moves that require grey speed such as w/simone biles. I do NOT want her getting hurt because no one can see what she’s doing as the full suit would just all blend together. Also grading on technicality, but shorts should be allowed! Seeing the legs allows for better grading. There’s a reason why tights tend to be nude color in dance/ballet so lines can be seen. Same for gymnastics. Now do I think full suits should be given as an option for say women’s volleyball or swimming? Yep! Again the issue is both choice and being fair in grading/safety.*
@@user-do6dl5gh1zLOL the most dominant gymnast in the world is female and would easily beast any male gymnast. Maybe you should check your misogyny at the door.
@@NitaJain Biles is excellent, but have you not see the female and male gymnasts try to do each other's tricks? There's been several of them, one of which included Simone. And I was actually disappointed in her, as dominant as she is, for not being able to do Flares, since that is a potential element women can use on the balance beam, even if no woman has used them in a routine recently. It is a required element of men's sports.
But basically, the women were not at all good at men's tricks and vice versa. There's no good measure of comparison.
I once went to a gymnastic club to make enquiries about joining. They had a rule "no shorts, no long pants, and no leggings for females." So I left.
That is disgusting!!!
Those rules should be against the law.
@@klavdjaroc2535💀 it’s not tho your not gonna see in the law book “it is against the law to say women can’t wear leggings and shorts if their gymnasts”💀
@@ADLC.EDITZZwell you could argue religious discrimination
@@ADLC.EDITZZwell the other person didn't say it is against the law, they said it SHOULD be
@@vmofu7317good point
When I was about 8 starting gymnastics I felt so uncomfortable in a leotard. And at competitions we had to remove our underwear because if you could see it we would get points deducted. I stopped soon after my first competition because I never wanted to feel like that again. I couldn't even show what I could do because I was so scared that someone could see inbetween my legs...
that is an absolutely insane rule to enforce on a fucking 8 year old. what an incredibly uncomfortable thing to have to experience, i cannot fathom why that kind of rule would be enforced for someone so young
The thought of this makes me nauseous
Your discomfort is totally valid but your coaches did you a huge disservice by not making skin-colored undies a part of your competition uniform. Yes things should change and covered legs would be amazing but even working under the current restrictions no one ever needs to go without underwear. I wore nude underwear to every competition, we bought them as a part of the competition uniform along with a warmup track suit
That's horrible to hear. I absolutely would feel disgust as well.
I think about this sometimes because I feel like if you're not gonna allow them to wear a full body suit, at least let them wear shorts, especially since children participate too.
The important part is to allow people choice. It's not about making people wear the clothes you think they should be wearing, whether that is leotards because it's traditional, or full bodysuits because it's more modest. We are celebrating the expansion of clothing options available, not the changing of one fixed standard to another.
I think we should add that it is allow people wearing the clothing to have the choice to feel safe and respected.
If we celebrate simply the options then we are not seeing that the patriarchal reasons behind the original fixed standards.
@@korenna123 and in your comment you're ignoring the christo-patriarcal 'modestry' rules. Let alone that so many in the thread are ignoring the fact that people could find leotards comfy and should be worked that they can feel comfortable wearing leotards if they want
@@tvdsje
It's because people are speaking about their experience of being uncomfortable. this post isn't about people being comfortable with them it's about people not being uncomfortable with them. Others are allowed to be comfortable with leotards but these people aren't and that's also okay.
Are you a guy? 🤔
@@kayesdigginit1519 why does it matter?
The "it's traditional" argument never holds up. It only became traditional because someone decided it, if there's no other reason, the isn't really any argument there
if your only argument is tradition, you already lost
“Tradition” is the answer given by people not smart enough to articulate the real reason. You can find the real reason by asking a related question:
Why are men’s uniforms almost always sleeveless, while women’s often have sleeves?
And if you correctly answer that one, you’ll correctly answer the leotard question.
I’ll spare you the brain hemorrhage generated by thinking beyond surface level thought. It’s because part of gymnastics is about glorifying the human form. As the male athlete archetype is one of rippling shoulder muscles, cut biceps and tremendous upper body strength, their uniforms will usually be sleeveless to expose their arms and shoulders. As the female athlete archetype is one muscled thighs, cut calf muscles, and tremendous lower body strength and balance, their uniforms will usually be legless to expose their legs.
So, it’s not simply “tradition,” it’s the reason behind the tradition: glorifying the form of the superior human athlete.
and the tradition is making women uncomfortable and causing senseless point deductions (ex: for accidentally showing underwear in the tiny ass leotard women are required to wear). stop spamming the comments dude. if society wants to glorify the human body so bad, everybody might as well go out in the nude. jesus christ.
@@eliteteamkiller319But you agree that the athletes should have a choice?
@@eliteteamkiller319 i always just figured long tight sleeves with loose baggy mid thigh shorts would look unbalanced. Most of the men's legs are showing shorts don't have to cover up all the thighs.
But this isn't body building. I think since we don't rate on muscle tone the clothing should be irrelevant so long as it doesn't obscure the technique.
@@eliteteamkiller319 Hi, I just got back from the hospital. That brain hemorrhage I got from thinking sure was a pain! I now agree clothes that require glue on ass so as not to get wedged between the buns are a perfectly reasonable choice for an athletic discipline that relies on wide range of movements. After all, we need to glorify the beautiful form of the athlete! Who cares about their performance, never mind their comfort and dignity? A fitted full-body costume completely hides their chisled calves, it's pretty much a niqab with glitter on it. It is only thanks to You I realized the error of my ways. I shall now advocate for leotards in ice hockey and equestrian show jumping as well. Those horse girls have some beautiful thighs and I want to see them!
"It's traditional" ain't no way you agree to see a 9 year old in dress like that
I used to be confused by the people who aggressively advocate that young girls should be able to wear skimpy clothing, but there actual reasoning did click with me recently. Even if a young girl is naked, you shouldn’t be looking at her in any type of strange way
@@DitoCapsuleFan I do agree with you, but again when there're much better alternatives are present, one shouldn't except anyone to see half naked. If you're rooting against this, you're just a weirdo and let's not get started on attraction caused by thousands of years of human evolution
@@Lueegi I agree that if I had a daughter I’d want her dressed relatively modestly until she’s old enough for my input to not matter. I’m just trying to explain why a lot of not creeps, women even are advocating so hard for it. The logic works much better for the “if you have to tell them not to wear shorts around uncle, uncle shouldn’t even be around” meme that’s parroted around. But for gymnasts/ dancers I agree that it should be handled better because they’re presented to the public which is full of people embracing the lizard brain
@@DitoCapsuleFan That's correct but again you never know what's going on in someone's mind until you do. And I'm not forcing a choice on women wearing something specific it's just that they should have the choice to wear whatever they want to wear so, if you don't feel comfortable then you shouldn't be forced to be half naked either.
And you made a great point that we shouldn't look at women (regardless of age) in pervy way, which i completely agree with but again words can fool anyone, a creep could make the same point as you did we never know what's inside someone's mind, and this is the reason I'm protesting against it, i just don't trust people's word but rather put more trust in their actions, regardless of whether you don't look women in a pervy way but still to say that "I could watch a child naked and just not feel anything" is again creepy, so children gymnasts especially women need to stop wearing exposing clothings
Yeah, "tradition" is no excuse for anything. Ask the women in India, say, who, "traditionally", used to be burned to death at their husband's funeral as women were deemed worthless without their husband. 😢
You can’t even say it’s for “flexibility and range of motion” because if that were true then it would be a unisex uniform for ALL gymnasts.
Well one gender has something that flops around and will fall out of a leotard
@@guts5548 nah the leotards are TIGHT
@@guts5548 not if they design them to be stretchy enough
@@guts5548 male gymnasts use leotards as well, but they use shorts on top of it
@@idled9953wearing leotards is super hard very much an inconvenience
I stopped doing gymnastics because my coach told me I HAD to wear a leotard and to get over it. I wish I stayed with it but I'm proud I stood my ground and walked out.
I remember when I was a kid in gymnastics feeling so uncomfortable and self-conscious with my body when I had to wear a leotard for competition. I want girls to at least have an option if they want to wear shorts or leggings or whatever if they want to.
Same when i did ballet, self conscious etc...... especially when getting graded and also recitals
That one of the reason why I quit gymnastics as a child
@@gracelilly4103 that's pathetic.
That doesn't make sense
I did too. Especially when puberty hit.
I'm just waiting for the day people realize "because it's old" is a stupid argument.
Because it sells tickets
@@Jack-tk1is I have a feeling you're forgetting that a majority of the fans are also female..... If you listen to a live video of a floor routine, you'll hear a ton of female voices in the audience. I don't think they would mind not being able to see another woman's bum.
Real life isn't like in your fantasies. Stop watching so much prnography
Even if the male fans stopped supporting these athletes, the female ones would still keep it in practice. Women will always support women. Moms, aunts, grandmas, they all want to see their girls succeed.
It's the same argument that a lot of male GYNs use. They say "If we leave, you'll lose money! Any industry without men will struggle financially!"
They don't realize... Even if all the men were gone, a bunch of women would just take their places. Nothing of value would be lost. Sure, the industry might lose a little bit of money, but it's really not that big of a deal. At most, we'd probably lose like, what, $1.50 off our paycheck? We'd still be making $35/h.
We could and would survive without y'all, like we have for the many centuries before y'all even bothered educating yourselves on how women's bodies work.
@@bellebonebag8096 Women also enforce rules on women. If you have some idea that there is some kind of universal sisterhood that would have each others back I would ask you if you have ever seen a group of women interact, like at all? They will all hug and make claims of sisterhood or friendship, not an hour goes by and the plots are already hatching.These guys are way worse to each other than men are. Sure guys physically fight more often but grudges are rarely carried long and it is not unusual for a couple guys that were beating the snot out of each other being best buds the next day. That never happens with women. Women like to hold that shit in an plot revenge. Maybe if women brawled more often it would be different. Nothing like a fight to burn off some aggression and there is nothing like the pain received in a fight to remind you the wisdom of giving peace a chance.
"Hey, this is shitty"
"Yeah, but it's been shitty for so long that it's good that it's shitty"
What?
LMAO I LOVE IT
Not sure how it is shitty but whatever. The way don't guys wear them is simple nutsacks be afloppin' when you work hard and get sweaty. You want spontaneous nut sack appearances in the floor routine? Get guys wearing that stuff. Considering what some people are trying to put into women's sports we may have actual reason for nutsack coverage in women's gymnastics.
Immediate thought when that came up
Its not shitty
@@MrVictor1227 gymnasts of any body type should be able to wear a leotard without the crowd getting horny, because I guarantee whoever's horny is still gonna be horny looking at the shorts, so like why so horny to make that the NORM in the first place, there's a whole can of worms there like I don't advocate for it to be the norm but an option for everyone right?
"It's just how it's always been" Is literally the worse argument for anything.
as a girl i would always see gymnasts and be like, “that has to be so uncomfortable, if i was in their position i would feel super vulnerable” so i’m glad they have more options now
I never competed, so maybe that makes my opinion less valid or something... but I always wore my leo to class and usually had a pair of shorts I wore with them. When we did our big show at the end of the year, no shorts. And it was a bit awkward, but really wasn't that bad. (Especially with tough skin keeping things in place around the booty lol) I dunno, I guess it's the same as wearing a one piece swimsuit to the beach to me XD Leo's were super comfy to work out in, didn't have to worry about fabric flying around, or getting lose ect.
@@Fragile_Memoriesleos can be cute and comfy! which was probably why people had less of a problem or less of drive to fix it. but having pushback means you have a choice wether to wear it or not. so hopefully any little girl or boy can choose to wear shorts or. a true leotard and have no consequences for their preference and they are all confident ♥️
@@hueningpie I honestly didn't realize people considered them "sexualizing" until I saw this video. (With the exception of high cut Leo's, it's the same as wearing a one piece swimsuit going the beach to me lol) Leo's are just super pretty and cool to me and I love them lol
I don't see how wearing shorts would ever be a problem in training, and I don't see how it would hurt to have some shorts on the leo or matching the leo for competition.
@@Fragile_Memories exactly! like the shorts can be matching so that it's not 'in the way of the judge's. they are very cute and honesty unitards can be as well if they are styled well. if someone wants shorts as a preference for confidence and the reply is 'well it's distracting or hard for the judges to pay attention to details so you HAVE to wear this' it starts getting weird. It should definitely be a choice. Ive never experienced being forced to not wear shorts but I wasn't really too competitive so 😭
@@hueningpie I never competed either but my coach put on a big show for us in May. That was the only time we didn't wear shorts and it never really bothered me to much. A little awkward at first, but got use to it after a while lol
Those unitards can still be awesome too!
Like, I don't see a big deal with competing with the shorts as part of the leo. Or going with a traditional Leo either. Lol
I’m so glad that the rules are less strict. Leotards tend to ride up a lot and I hate having my butt hanging out but you get deducted for fixing it while competing. And then I would have to decide between not shaving and being embarrassed when doing straddles and splits or shaving and having the most uncomfortable, itchy razor rash for three days.
I absolutely had to pull the leotard out of my butt cheeks immediately and constantly.
This has kept me from starting any kind of gymnastics or dancing (ballet for example) when i was around 11 and had the chance to and tbh it still does.
@@carina-nonbinary tbh ?
@@klavdjaroc2535to be honest
@@klavdjaroc2535 it means to be honest
When I was a gymnast, one of my biggest insecurities was having to wear a leotard with no shorts during competitions. It made me feel almost nakd in front of over a hundred people. I quit after 9 years because I didn't make much progress anymore and my club was a bit toxic too, and now I feel like I found my place in karate with amazing people and a much more comfortable and covering gear
You lasted 9 years!!!!
After 1 year of constantly pulling my leotard out of my butt I had enough.
Okay but having past gymnast experience and now training in karate? Girl you must be a POWERHOUSE like- I aspire to be that powerful
@@aldeku_kun0073 Lol, I quit because I was so bad at it 😭 I lost a lot of my abilities during the lockdow because I didnt do almost any sport for almost 3 years, and starting karate was so hard for me, esprcially with my teacher (he used to be a coach in the military). But seriously, doing sports is so important for my mental health, so I cant imagine stopping now that I've experienced it. Also, my big goal is to have a capable body, so I can do anything I want and not be limited.
@@sacha8763i quit karate in 8th grade and picked up field hockey and haven't looked back since(I'm now in college don't play anymore other than for fun though)
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I think the long pants leotards for the women looks really good, more room for fancy design to make it look fancy
As a female figure skater I did find it odd that they always made us wear sleevless dresses, where the skirt only goes to the bottom of our bums. It feels very short and uncomfortable. We lift our legs alot in positions and jump which causes the skirt to flip up alot. Luckily you can now buy sleeved dresses or leotards that cover your legs or even dresses with a longer skirt length 💕
I'm happy for you!! though I have nothing to do with the sport, it's amazing to hear. long skirts would look amazing on ice :)
They really do! I don't know why no one thought of it sooner
Now they'd be losing revenue since that was the main reason many watched
The really long skirts always give me anxiety when I see skaters wearing them in competition. It seems like they could get caught in the blades. Pants, leggings or bodysuits with ankle length legs make more sense imo than long skirts.
I think a long skirt could cause some issues like for example a skate getting caught on the skirt for example and also people being perverts but I think long pants would be a better/safer option than longer skirts
Now they need to fix the women’s volleyball uniforms. You don’t need to wear a bikini. The men aren’t in speedos.
You need !! Why would I watch women's sports without seeing some ass ?
Then don't cry women are underpaid, cuz bikini only sells tickets
no uniforms actually benefits how a person plays have you played before? there that short because you move you legs threw out the whole name and if you were to wear lose fitting pants it would weight you down when jumping and make you slower most uniforms also have long sleeves to protect your arms from getting bruised as much. it’s also the same with track most professional women were very small shorts this improves there speed by a lot you never see a track professional race in lose clothes cause it slows them down unlike volleyball most track uniforms have no sleeves so you can use your arms like basketball they have lose pants because you use your arms more than legs so it doesn’t improve or decrease your effectiveness when playing but the uniforms always have no sleeves because of how much you use your arms. tell me you haven’t played sports without telling me
@@paigewashington5430Idiotic argument.
@@avavavaa how bookie🙁😶🙊
My father taught gymnastics, so we did it as children. If you don’t wear tights you can get floorburns or stick to the equipment. Also with all the bending over and splits, it is very hard to do your best when the leotard alone is riding up or slowly becoming a thong. As an adult, I was shocked at what they were making the girls wear. You shouldn’t have to get a bikini wax when you’re twelve.
Sounds like it's the ruling body of the sport that's deciding. If the Germans were allowed to wear full body suits the Olympic Committee clearly didn't object. They only would if there's performance advantage. It shouldn't have taken this long.
In V-Ball we prevented floor burn with knee pads. I know knee pads will be cumbersome for a gymnast.
No one is talking about leotards, but about the bodysuit. Women in gymnastics can wear the same stretch pants as men, that would prevent floor burns.
Wearing the bodysuit shows off the body more, gives, clearer lines on females. Having said that, they can still choose to dress as the men.
The men wear shorts or stretch pants over their body suits.
@@theire483 unitards are great for the games. Knee pads would get in the way and look cumbersome. You hav to impress the judges with a graceful body line.
@@tumatauenga6433 …well that was mean.
My comment had more to do with how high the leotard is likely to ride, beyond the usual area which should be covered.
@C MW
Then you chose a bad analogy and the truth often is mean.
I have vivid memories of being an 11 year old gymnast, going through the horrors of female puberty, growing pubic hair, and being *mortified* when it was visible with my leotard on.
I agree! I think this is where equality for women has been lacking. Its disturbing how casual the sexualization of women has been.
Sexualisation of GIRLS (most competitive female gymnasts are minors) 😢
Agreed!
Especially since a lot of female gymnasts are children.
@@lonesparrow
Yeah there's a comment in another thread here where a woman eas saying when she was young she hated how revealing the leos were and how she'd wear shorts over them and got punished for it.
I'd be checking that mf coach's computer for cp because they seem like the type. gross behavior.
@@i-love-comountains3850
Eh, I doubt it was a male coach. Likely just someone strictly following regulation. Now as for why that regulation is so strict...
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"It's Traditional"
Buddy, who do you think made it the Tradition?
Humans
@@twosharksinatrenchcoat raised by woman female mothers. Stop blaming one gender
@@twosharksinatrenchcoat so if women started it what would be you point? You are IMPLYING men did it for nefarious reasons. PROVE IT. Don't be a sexist
@@twosharksinatrenchcoat because you saying they did this to make them more sexual is an opinion and not a fact. Prove this statement
@@twosharksinatrenchcoatbruh men have an extra body part. If they wore the same as females it would be incredibly uncomfortable.
Tradition is just peer pressure from dead people. Don't let corpses dictate your life.
The TRUTH! 👍
DECOMPOSED CORPSES
@Babycake. Quick question what you call a tradition that's meant for women by women? Is that women or still male worship? ( I'm not defending the whole leotard Tradition because I would feel uncomfortable in one and want to cover up as well , thats there choice to make if they want to . I'm just curious by your definition. If there's a tradition that's only for women what would that be called?)
@Babycake.Okay even though you're wrong, that last one was really funny.
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I was competitive gymnast in the 90s. We used to be so bitter that we had to tape are leotards to our asses because if we got wedgy, we get a deduction. The guys on the other hand got to wear comfortable gear.
I felt SO uncomfortable in leotards when I was a kid, but my gymnastics (and ballet) teachers said that girls HAD to wear them. I felt so peeved when Boys came to gymnastics class wearing pants when I couldn't...
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Maybe that's because boys have something down there that you don't, and that society deems it unacceptable to show it off?
I had to pull down my leotard constantly in gymnastics because the move made it ride up ur butt cheeks👎🏽
In ballet I never had to do that because we had to wear tights under the leotard and that prevented tge leotard from giving u a wedgie.
Wearing the leotard was a problem in gymnastics but not in ballet.
A leotard must be hell if the competition day lands on the periods
I'd imagine most of these women are on contraceptives...
I feel the same about sand volleyball and several other sports. Let the athletes wear what they want.
sand volleyball actually has options already! i looked into it earlier this year. many still wear the bikini as it can be less restricting, doesn’t get in the way, etc.
@@salinaa6454 but it's still a recent things
Who cares stop acting like you’d watch it anyways
@@gaia7240 yeah. i really hope all sports soon have more options to make everyone feel comfortable and respected
@@charlesbrown2638 you're really unpopular with women, huh?
Men in leotards, women in pants, it's the only answer
I say we all compete nude again like the Greeks intended
lol I’m all for men in leos. Maybe they’ll have to glue it to their um 🍆 like women do to prevent slippage. Also they should have to shave like women do. Men with Brazilians BWUAHAHA
BUT…. BUT *While I don’t think that leos are inherently sexist, however being FORCED to wear them as the only option is, especially all the high hip cut/cheeky leos in gymnastics. You don’t see much of that in ballet. Most are low cut on the hips. I DISAGREE full suits should NOT be allowed, it’s harder to see all movements/form esp when you WANT TO HAVE ALL SKILLS/TWISTS SEEN & GRADED APPROPRIATELY(unless your goal is fudging scores!) and I’m sure harder for spotters to make fast corrections(a leg could become an arm in an instant leading to falls,paralysis and possibly DEATH) esp when you’re doing hardcore moves that require great speed &power such as w/simone biles being in her own class alone. I do NOT want her getting hurt because no one can see what she’s doing as the full suit would just all blend together. Also grading on technicality, but shorts should be allowed! Seeing the legs allows for better grading. There’s a reason why tights tend to be nude color in dance/ballet so lines can be seen. Same for gymnastics. Now do I think full suits should be given as an option for say women’s volleyball or swimming? Yep! Again the issue is both choice and being fair in grading/safety.*
Ew you pervert
Stop using feminism as an excuse to be a pervert, you're the reason female pedophiles are on the rise.
Men in leotards, mankinis, bodysuits ❤
Honestly the full body suits look a lot more appealing and slick and and comparing it to a leotard is similar to comparing a suit to business casual I’m surprised they weren’t an option sooner
I am not at all surprised.
Women have been fighting to have the right to choose functional and comfortable clothing since all of human history.
If things were equivalent, men would have been wearing skimpy speedo style bottoms, that sat up the butt crack to better “show off the muscles and lines” (and dicks) to the judges and audience.
@@___LC___ I’ve never followed gymnastics I don’t really watch sports unless it’s two people in a ring beating the shit out of eachother hahaha and women in ufc and boxing have plenty of short and top options if you want more baggy or tight wear men and women . But I heard of these uniform issues on the womens side of sports for a long while since I was a kid and within the last decade I’ve seen them give more options just never knew gymnastics was so far behind I thought it would’ve been one of the first due to it being women dominated .
Men mainly watch because of the leotards.
I think the full body suits look goofy but the shorts look good
Same, the lines look smoother instead of cutting the body on half. Also aren't most gymnasts like 15 years old?
"It's traditional!"
Yeah, so is child labor, but we don't do that anymore do we.
not only does it over sexualize the sport, it prevents people with certain religions or people from different cultures from participating
never thought about that lol
Not only participating some people don't even able to watch this with their kids
Ok... but i think no one will watch any of these events...
We don't give two shits about religious people
You over sexualize this
I think that’s amazing! I think a lot of sports are like this, especially volleyball.
We need to have more modest choices for women. That should be a standard for everyone!
they tell you to slide for the ball and dive and shi too like I'm not trynna get floor burn bc yall want me to wear panties 😂 get me some workout PANTS and I'll slide like butter nd wouldn't have quit within a week. on the middle school team too, like ain the dress code no shorts above the knee? 😵💫 schools take two concerning stances about girls dress, that and cheerleaders longer shorts would still look cute under a shorter skirt
Since I've been three years old I have always worn spandex and actually if you dive correctly majority of the time you won't get floor burn only on arms that's why you wear arm sleeves or a long sleeve
i’m a level 6 gymnast and beam is my fav event. i’m flexible so my coach recommended a middle split mount. i loved it until i had to do it without shorts. i felt weird about it and changed my mount to a switch kick😕
Please don't do less because other people suck. - one of life's hardest lessons and one that will allow you to live without regret.
@@Loralanthalas yeah that’s true to an extent but I can completely understand not feeling comfortable with everyone seeing your booty cheeks on full display, it’s not something you should have to get over to be successful
@@Loralanthalas if I'm right, they're just UNCOMFORTABLE in doing middle split in Leos, which is understandable. And hence they didn't do it.
It’s very dumb we don’t have options in sports considering how sexualized our fits are. Meanwhile in outdoor sports you’re not allowed to wear tank tops (my Olympic training experience) because they’re distracting. But they make gymnastists have perma wedgie in the same breath
Yes and during the flips oh my god
I have a trauma:
I was doing flips and yk thank god I was wearing underwear. 😅
My underwear was showing so bad.
Iykyk
As someone who used to watch volleyball I was always so confused as to why the men wore much longer shorts and women wore very short, tight fitting shorts. It serves no extra purpose to the women athletes, it only attracts perverts and obviously more clicks for the wrong reasons.
I would agree but there is actually not a restriction on womens volley ball apperence wise. They can wear normal shorts or even pants if they want. They choose to wear the shorts
Perverts? You mean natural instinct to check out the opposite sex?
Also there’s no point in arguing about this. We all know damn well some women will find it degrading while other women love the attention they get from it.
Just let the world keep on spinning
Pervert is a strong word. A man is not a pervert just because he looks at a woman he finds attractive. It's perfectly normal and natural to be attracted to someone. Imagine me calling you a pervert because you were looking at guys you thought were hot. It would be ridiculous.
@@jimbobjunior.No males personify the word to a t this is a sport not something you should be ogling about!!
@@jimbobjunior.This is a sport you creep
I support gender equality. Men should also wear leotards.
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Pretty sure they wouldn’t want to broadcast a dudes junk falling out the leotard
@@plazmamasta193 ye but maybe they would 😏
They would eat that up
women should also be forced to go to war and die for their country like in ukraine.
I do pole dance as a sport, and I do understand having your skin exposed in pole (skin friction is important). I don't see why female gymnasts need to show skin. If there is no real need for wearing leotards, competing individuals should have a say regarding the articles of clothing they wish to compete in.
Thannk god. As someone who did gymnastics as a kid, there was nothing more awkward than walking in front of a bunch of strangers in basically a bathing suit that wedgied right up your crack / when you weren't even going swimming /
"Ath" A lot of females feel the same way and it is strange how females were required to wear those stereotyping outfits. However what if a male gymnast wanted to wear the kind of suit that female gymnasts had been required to wear?
@@obscurelyvague then their penis would fall out ig
@@obscurelyvague they could, but since it's not normalized obviously it's gonna get (negative) reactions. but, these costumes aren't comfortable to the majority of women yet it's their only option. The reaction of a man wearing it should be a sign of how inappropriate the outfit really is for anyone to be forced to wear. it should be a choice.
OMG FR 💀💀😭😭😭😵😃 the worst effing feeling EVER .
Esp when you could tell their were some old creeps in the crowd just staring at u down and making you so uncomfortable. 😑😶 The worst f*ing feeling ever. Made me quit dance and swimming, it was so uncomfortable. and I always wished I could just wear shorts!! or leggings, or bodysuit leggings.
I'M SO GLAD they're Finally considering changing it now after all this time!!! 😭
Not to mention it can be so cold some days I'd literally be shivering to death!!! 🥶☠️☠️💀❄️❄️
And God forbid if you ever have any body insecurities, dislike exposing skin, being stared at etc... it's insane how parents never Even think to ask their child's consent, if their comfortable, or listen to their feelings on a subject matter.-
Also god forbid if you were even a drop overweight or built differently. -I've seen so many Stick skinny girls be shamed and 'called fat and told they needed to stop eating" or to lose weight". Teachers can be so harmful and encourage eating disorders in young girls. and create body image issues, and often tell already skinny girls they need to starve' and to lose weight. 😤🤬🙄💀
I understand completely but what is different when choosing to wear a slim bottomed bathing suit swimming?
"This uniform oversexualizes the sport."
"B-B-But it's tradition! Right from before women could vote or wear pants without being ridiculed! 🥺"
Thank you, kind poster, for having common sense.
You want to know what else is traditional? Not having toilets. Go to the outhouse!
Actually it’s a recent development. In the 1920s they wore a special sort of skirt for modesty because it was the 1920s. A little later they moved on to short shorts because skirts are not exactly very easy to perform gymnastics in. Then some weirdos who clearly only wanted to look at women’s bodies complained about women always being sexualised and why do we have to wear these shorts that are uncomfortable and get in the way, and the world went, yeah ok I guess leotards are fine.
Now we’re on the way back to square one I guess, ironically for the very same reason.
@@InceyWincey i mean women got the right to vote in 1930s so op is still kinda right, but thank you for the information! i guess the fight is not to create a new norm, but to give options to athleted to wear what they want
Women voting and wearing pants is kinda gay, not gonna lie.
But yea, leotards are weird.
@@zaarongaming8174what 😭
As a German female gymnast, I'm so proud this is finally being taken more seriously.
Why did we have to invent butt glue before just changing the norms?
Wait....butt glue??!! I'm slightly scared to know why this exists? What does it glue?
@@Grace-ms7un It sort of looks like a clear roll-on deodorant, only you put it on your butt cheeks and then press your leotard over it. It's meant to keep it in place during routines and stop it from sliding up too far, especially if you don't want the judges to see your underwear.
It's kinda practical, sure, but I'd much rather just wear some shorts.
Especially because you usually have to glue the leotard down again before every event.
die flashbacks die ich deswegen grad hatte- der gute alte arschkleber- :,)
@@l0uisinana 😂 Freut mich. ;)
I just figured that the German women gymnasts just wanted to hide their nutsacks. (There was once a time that would be an insult. Today it might be literally true. Particularly with the way Germany loves to adopt every bad social trend ever.)
The full bodysuits are gorgeous, makes me think of figure skating! Definitely love the options
Those bodysuits only became an option in the 90s. Irina Slutskaya was the first woman to compete in one. I remember the commentators being supportive. Somehow it failed to ruin the sport
I always hated leotards, and it was actually a big part of why I moved my attention to fencing, despite the fact that I was doing really well, and winning u14's and was nationally ranked. I grew really tall really quickly (I'm now 168.4cm, super tall considering my aunt, who competed in artistic internationally, is 4'7"). I have really, really pale skin and ginger hair and I got bullied really badly in my academy, because my thighs are so pale you can see veins everywhere. Having to show your crotch area with only a thin, narrow band of plastic between you and the possibility off inadvertently flashing everyone as you do a handstand and anything that involves splitting one's legs, in front of hundreds of people when you are only 13 and have barely entered puberty was.... difficult and, in many ways, pretty upsetting. Fencing was so completely different (I was the only girl in my coach's cohort) as you are completely covered. Gave me a lot of confidence in myself and just focus on what you're doing and your goals instead of this constant and unerasable self-conciousness that gym always gave me.... well, when I finally dropped gym altogether to devote 5 days a week training for fencing I barely missed gym 😅
edit: for dang h3athen muricans who don't understand metric, 168.4cm is just under 5 foot 6.5 feet, so im basically 5'6"
this sounds so traumatizing, I’m sorry you and other girls/women have had to endure that just to enjoy a hobby and compete
Sophia Nílsson
Sophia Nílsson
What is168.4 cm in feet and inches?
I never got the hang of metrics.
Just because we don't use the metric system doesn't me we are heathens. That was an unnecessary thing to say and really rude.
I was with you until the unnecessary rant against americans.
I’m so grateful for this. I have a couple friends who are gymnasts still to this day- but even when we were little, I remember this one time specifically I went to a friends competition to support her (we were in junior high) and 3 boys sat close to me and her older sister. I heard everything they said about how sexy the girls were and how they’d love to hook up with this one or get with that one. I was scarred and disgusted. Could you imagine the amount of old men that probably go to these competitions just to do the same?
How terrible it is that boys are attracted to girls!
I'm sure that girls would NEVER comment about the boy athletes like that!
When men get older they still think the same thing but they stop saying it out loud. We can't really control it. This is also why 'covering up' is a part of Islam.
@ravilagro7896 Bro, as a man myself, you can absolutly control it, youre just a creep with no self control and pretending like you have no choice but to be creepy is just a bad excuse. Be better
@@SilverCinder1 you can't control what thoughts come up in your mind, you can only do something once you have those thoughts. Which is my point, but you didn't grasp that and just called me a creep xd
@ravilagro7896 Yeah you can control your thoughts actually. That's like one of the main things you have control over is what goes on in your brain, and even more you have control over your actions and how you affect others around you. You have no self control, but I, as a man, have no problem controlling myself around attractive women. You're just weak and trying desperately to justify how you can't help it so you're not responsible for your shitty behavior. You even went to saying this is why women cover up in Islam... are you justifying how shitty women are treated in Islam? Be better dude
I think we all know why. The same reason why those disgusting male coaches get sent to prison after those “investigations”.
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Then can we let men wear leotards ☺️
Lmao no dummy. It’s less restrictive on movement and is more breathable. Women do more lower body heavy routines, while men do upper body stuff, hence why men’s uniforms are sleeveless
I tremble with disgust when thinking about that and how we still allow the dress code for the girls
@@Luke101ok then, the German gymnasts must have been at a disadvantage then. But they chose to do it. Why shouldn't it be their choice?
Its also important because some cultures are more modest in clothing and to make the sport trully inclusive we have to create a clothing version that every woman from every culture can compete in
When i was a child, the idea of doing gymnastics was brought up to me. I loved the idea! I found gymnastics amazing! And then realized after like an introductory lesson/class that we got for free that if i were to do it throughout my life, it meant wearing leotards. I hated wearing bathingsuits in public as a child. I was the obnoxious kid the wore too much to the pool during summer break. But knowing that leotards were in my future for gymnastics i immediately decided i didn't want to do gymnastics. It was not worth it to child me. I have regrets now, but u am so glad that things are starting to change for those who are currently doing the sport!
I quit gymnastics because I couldn't do the moves comfortably in a body suit.
I was tired of pulling the body suit down from the crack of my butt.
Wearing a bodysuit when doing those moves is disgustingly ignorant.
It's shameful to force anyone to remove more clothing than they want. Covering one's body is a right.
Gurl its also a sport.
The same sport these people have been dreaming and seeing before they even wore their first leotard.
You cant join a competition knowing the rules and then complain about it later.
@@lol-ot4pnSo you're basically saying that people should give up on gymnastics just because they don't want to wear a leotard
@@lol-ot4pn "...You can't join a competition knowing the rules and then complain about it later."
I guess anyone dissatisfied with an injustice in their society should just up and k*ll themselves, or should just shut the fck up huh.
Or better yet, nobody dare question any rule or system they're involved with that doesn't make sense by any logic. Because heaven knows that's not how mankind and society advanced over the ages.
My good man, did you think this comment through before typing it?
@@lol-ot4pnMaybe some people want to play the sport without being sexualized for it? Crazy concept right?
@@dandelion1961
You can be sexualized for a lot of sports EVEN with significant amounts of clothing.
Are you saying all of those gymnasts that willingly wear that are okay with being sexualized? See how you logic is not mathing?
I quit gymnastics at 11 years old because my coach wouldn’t let me wear shorts to a competition. I was so uncomfortable and was scolded in front of my team and our parents for not wanting to do so (this was in 1993). Then I went on to coach tumbling and trampoline from 2007-2015 as the tide finally started to turn. What a time to be alive 😃🎉
Good on you for standing your ground at that age! That's very impressive ^^ I know it must've been hard but I'm proud of you.
Bruh
i wouldnt want my p*ssy to almost be hanging out in front of everyone either not now and especially not at that age just sick that that is a requirement
I can relate! I quit dance at 12 because they wanted me to wear a skimpy mini skirt and sports bra on stage, not to mention some suggestive choreo… so effed up
@@subtropical1228 it is only effed up because your sick mind sees it that way, I just see dance as dance people like you ruin it
I loved that an American celebrity (forgot who) actually paid for the uniform fees they got for wearing pants. The Olympics need to modernize their standards because athletes like gymnasts and volleyball players have little to no coverage and the amount of running and jumping they have to do should automatically allow them to cover up if they choose to.
Not in sports but I had to dress in the track and field uniforms for a marketing video. The boys shorts went to just above the knee whereas the girls was sheer and barely covered the whole butt. Note that this is High School. I was told off by classmates for refusing to wear the girls shorts and instead pushing for the boys. Never hated being a woman more than in that moment.
When I was in high school shorts were briefly banned (essentially). They had to extend past your fingertips, which, I dunno, fine? Maybe? But no one was making shorts that long. There was not a single store that had an inseam longer than 3". We had a mini uprising because you can't force girls to wear pants in a school without air conditioning 😒
If you didn’t want to do don’t join the team
@@Yumiko-je1to Dumbest comment ever, doesn't fix the issue nor address it.
@@TheStarForge issue not issme
@@Yumiko-je1to What the fuck did you even say here?
If there were ever any doubt about women being sexualized in leotards, I urge anyone to go check out the gymnastics NSFW subreddit. Men obsessively are watching their butts jiggle, taking screenshots of them in splits that show their crotch, etc. Like the community of men thirsting over gymnasts in their leos is actually more followes than the subreddit for those who actually follow the sport.
Not to mention tons of clickbait UA-cam thumbnails of women's rears, etc. 😒
it puts me off from joining or enjoying the sports
Honestly most things are sexualized or can be in some way and don't just blame the men because I saw a comment that said she had a female coach who wouldn't let her wear shorts and I've never seen it in a sexual way until this video brought it up
Terrible argument to use reddit of all place
Sounds more like an argument to keep the leotards if we want the sport to actually have viewers
So seems like MEN are the issue as usual
BeCaUsE iTs TrAdItIoNaL is the WORST argument when used as a reason why someone should do something that makes them feel weird or uncomfortable.
In my opinion don't like the rules don't get involved
@@Hellraiser988 Your opinion is bullshit.
@@Hellraiser988 Wow great "rule" you got there, women surely need to dress in things that can easily be oversexualized!!!😡😡
If you dont like rules you should be able to change them, we should always be able to question the rules, otherwise change is never possible
You can push for change.
as a ballerina i atleast get tights i cant imagine having to wear almost just a leotard and the shaving is the WORST
Yeah we have tights and part of my uniform is a wrap skirt anyway, and tutus in performances atleast feel like they give you some coverage even if they don't.
I heard they spray a liquid glue on their butts so they don’t get wedgies??????? Just let them wear Shorts wtf??????
@lg403 Yeah it's disgusting that women HAVE to wear just leotards. If they want to then that's great but there needs to be other options, shorts/unitards are still tight and do not distract anyone so they should be allowed.
If i hear one more damn time the excuse of "it's traditional" in response to something that needs change so it can be more comfortable and appropriate i am gonna dunk someone in a basketball hoop
💯 You know what else is 'traditional'? Outhouses & lack of indoor plumbing. I don't see anyone advocating for that. It's never *really* about tradition.
@@SyntaxSeed EXACTLY!!!
@@SyntaxSeed exactly, Its only about tradition till it comes to something they actually want changed lol.
@@SyntaxSeed lack of invention has nothing to do with socia tradition
Tradition is just peer pressure from dead people
The most stupid was, when I was 14. For a Girls Groupcompetition, the trainer wanted us to wear no underwear under it. Not even a sportsbra for comfort. We refused and got minus points because it was possible to see our underwear. We were 9-16 Years old
a plain leotard without any underwear or a bra?? wtf
yes this makes sense, as a gymnast, the no underwear rule is important. but for the no bras what i do is buy leotards with built in bras and if you are going to wear one, make sure straps are small or hidden
@@StoryTelling1O1Ah yes, because 9 year olds should be doing flexible tricks in tiny uniforms with no undergarments and expose themselves to an entire audience.
Honestly. The fact that a "no underware" rule exists in professional sports is telling enough.
I quit gymnastics as a kid bc puberty hit early and I was uncomfortable wearing a revealing, uncomfortable leotard. So happy women are getting more options now
"Men have so much options we need more then them"
This is to the women who think they need more rights: you don't deserve more rights because you already have far more and you are really un great full most men have committed suicide then women so yea men should deserve ALL OF THE RIGHTS
Early puberty sucks. That's my experience.
The worst part being full bodysuits have been authorised for A WHILE in the code. The real question is WHY it was never an option when it was IN THE FUCKING RULEBOOK
"It's tradition" is the single laziest excuse in history. Slavery and human sacrifice have both been traditions.
Traditions can be bad, but it is also great. There's great wisdom in the past and I don't think it should be meddled with lightly. There's a reason traditions exist, and some stand the test of time.
@@yougood809 thete is not "great wisdom" in making women wear leotards for gymnastics. It was just a decision by perverted male adjudicators lol
@@yougood809 bad take
@@yougood809 you have shitty opinions
@@yougood809 weakest statement ever.
i feel that everyone in the Olympics or any other competition should be able to wear the safest, most sustainable outfit during the competition. leotards are uncomfortable, but some ladies like them, so they continue to wear them :)
Right it should be an option. I hate how they Clearly some uniforms for sexualized purposes only
do you think any of the mens uniforms are sexualised in any way?
could a male outfit be sexualised ?
what would that look like
leotards were invented by a guy for guys
why don't male gymnasts them more often
Yes! Shouldn't we remove any barriers possible that could prevent the absolute pinnacle of human performance? Stress-inducing uniforms is a no-brainer to get rid of.
@@jamesgoldring1052 Its a prejudice I guess. Men in leotards aren't taken seriously by other men (eg. guys in Ballet). Everyone deserves to choose what they want to wear
@@crewmatewillthrowthesehand7600 but the strongman character type wears a unitard
So what gives
I didn’t do gymnastics because of the leotards. The grooming issues are horrific, and even as a kid waggling my privates at the entire world with only a teeny bit of cloth over them was Not Ok.
What's there to waggle?
@@bubba3796 there's plenty to waggle. especially with all the creeps out in the world.
@@succyamum4127 can't waggle a vagina
@@bubba3796 yeah, you can, Bubba. you can waggle a vag out of those tiny Leo's just as easy as you can your 2 cm dick
@@bubba3796 I see all your other comments and I just can't imagine how entitled you have to be to tell women what can or can't happen with a body part you clearly have never even seen 😂✋️
Just because something was done for 80 years doesn't make it right.
As I am a female gymnast I am so happy we are finally getting more options I hate wearing my leotard with out shorts on as I have had lot’s of people wolf whistle stare come smack my behind and have had one try to corner me after the meet I am wearing shorts all the time during practice and me and the other gymnast’s have talked to our coach about getting a new uniform option that’s a full bodysuit one for practice and one for meets
Agreed that shit is so weird to look at while watching a performance seeing nothing but ass like go put on some shorts man
It’s unacceptable that anyone attending a gymnastics competition isn’t there merely to admire the athletes and support them as they compete.
That said, what you wear shouldn’t have anything to with it. Sexual harassment has no place anywhere.
I'm not a gymnast, but I do follow women's gymnastics. And I have a dumb question. Do you think the longer pants are safe, or will they be binding or create friction? Thanks in advance. 🙂
@@eetoved1758 I think that the longer pants are safe and won’t create binding or friction because they are made of the same materials as our leotard’s but that’s just for my team it might be different for other teams
@@eetoved1758 no professional here, but if men get to wear them and they're fine, i don't see why it would be an issue for women.
Pink paid the fine for women beach volleyball players not wearing the required "bikini bottoms" . Men made these rules. Need to fix that b.s.
Yay, Pink! Stop the sex show for women's sports.👍🏽
Don't believe this statement !!
@@xl51956 what don’t you believe about it? Expand on your comment. I think you’re being purposefully vague because you actually don’t know what you’re talking about. You just want to look at a girls body but don’t want to just say the truth.
I quit gymnastics like 4 years ago because the leotards were getting sexualized by the men watching and our own instructor shamed us because our bodies weren’t “presentable” in tight clothes. Made a lot of people hate the sport and my friend started sh because of her body insecurities that the instructors projected on her.
Tbf what Weight are we talking about? Doing gymnastics overweight Sounds very Problematic die to health reasons
@aleste that's fair
@@NapOfNaps1) Body shaming is deeply woven into the history of gymnastics, even for girls who are already really thin; 2) If someone is overweight and they are still a successful gymnast, then it's not your place to comment on their weight and it's especially not your place to tell them they look "unpresentable" in a leotard. That's just gross.
@@erinm9445 that's not gross, that's the objective reality if someone weighs 300lbs, they're objectively not presentable in a leotard.
I do think that the first point you mentioned is entirely valid though, reasonably weighted girls shouldn't be shamed for it.
@@NapOfNaps You have an odd definition of objective. There's nothing objective about the idea that an overweight person is unpresentable, that is your subjective opinion.
Imagine getting ready for a competition and having to shave your bikini line, if not the whole area, the night before. It would take away from the sport and an added stress that men aren't expected to wear
100%. let them wear leotards if they want to, but allow them alternatives.
I remember watching womens floor gymnastics back at the olympics and I was kind of weirded out by how there were photographers who very, very clearly positioned and tried to take photos from certain angles during some exercises that a lot of women wouldn't be comfortable with.
Wow, that’s disgusting
Yeah was a gymnast growing up and even as a kid it felt reeeeally weird having someone right behind me with a camera in the corner of the floor. At that point you're typically setting up/concentrating for a tumbling pass but it's still weird and arguably distracting
@@marleejohn3519 yea. taking snapshots while you are doing a jumo with spread legs and all. it's weird. and it's not a good angle to actually show the move either. it's just for percy snaps
@@marleejohn3519 i mean OK, it can be a decent place to shoot for passes, fair enough. but they are very weirdly ready for crotch shots when the chance comes. at least with adults. but lets be honest, some olympic gymnasts are cery young
@@jurgnobs1308 Yeah it can sometimes work for later in the tumbling pass as you said but it can be awkward otherwise
Traditions are NEVER a good argument. Never.
Edit: I'd like to add that I'm not against traditions. I just think that they are never argument for not changing a situation, because things have to change.
Yes they are
@@reidrivera6492
For doing something yourself, personally, sure. For something being required, no.
I am very confused, we want to be able to show the most possible skin as women in defense of "it's my body" but here you can and now it's a protest? If you were forced it would be a different conversation, but it wasn't forced was it?
@@Similo What we want is to not be forced to either option. And to not make a big deal out of our bodies. They are normal and deserve to be viewed as such. If someone is comfy in their leotard, more power to them. If someone isn't and wants shorts or leggings, that also should be an option. Restricting women's options is simply wrong, no matter the context.
@@Similo Leo is forced well, thankfully now things are changing. Also it's a choice whether one wants to show skin or not u can't police people's choices
It just makes me so uncomfortable knowing that these very young girls are basically showing EVERYTHING! Perverts are flooding those sports and I really don't want those girls to be exposed to them like that.
Wasn't there also that documentary series on Netflix that "exposed" the predatory nature in female gymnastics??
@@xxxmelissatacionxxx I don't know about that one, I've watched the "what's happening to women's figure skating" series by Fran and my blood is still boiling! I hope there really is a documentary on Netflix as well, cause these sick people need to be exposed!
@@chubbydinosaur9148 oh damn!! 😬 I don't remember the name of the gymnastics one, but if you type up peadophile female gymnastics Netflix you should be able to find it :)
I would think women have enough pressure without worrying about periods or rashes from painful waxing. Dental floss coverage would certainly encourage sexism.
honestly it's the thing that discouraged me completely when I was younger. wearing anything different wasn't an option and I felt extremely uncomfortable
I can't stop thinking of a big tough guy wearing one
@@marcjohnson7668 I can't stop either 🥵
Same here. I was small, pretty flexable and fearless. Perfect right? But I wanted to feel covered. They made you take off pants or shorts, I tried tights or leggings- nope. I tried to even just wear underwear under my leotards- still no!!
Looking back it felt weird and sexualizing to have so many adults policing my underwear. They even had other girls snitching on me for wearing underwear- which feels insane now!! I was 4 to 9 I think, but when I hit my tomboy faze I was DONE.
@@annak8755 I did gymnastics for years, but ballet lasted 3 lessons.As uncomfortable as I felt at gymnastics it was 100xs worse at ballet. Ontop of fixating on my underwear they made me pin up my bangs and tried to take my glasses. I have a high forehead and am just a bangs girl. And I'm LEGALLY BLIND w/o my glasses, like can't function lol. Like I said 3 classes and I was OUT.
I'm sorry this happened to so many of us. But at least it made us smarter & stronger. Lotsa love.
Awesome content! So refreshing. I love that the German team pushed back. Young girls shouldn’t be forced to wear a tiny bikini bottom in front of so many people. Makes me think of the beach volleyball controversy where the women who play are fighting against the teeny uniform.
But I also want men in little bikini bottoms 😭
Edit: oh you meant that guys wanted to force women to keep wearing these bikinis
@@_blank-_ Let's fight for equal rights and force men to wear speedos or male thongs in volleyball 💀💀💀
@@xxxmelissatacionxxx I’m for it ngl
@@xxxmelissatacionxxx that would be interesting
The full body suits look so much more comfortable. You don’t have to worry about wedgies and then having to REMOVE said wedgie! I can understand not wanting the women to have skirts or pants that obscure the muscles or mess up the lines of the body but that’s what is so great about the full suit. It is still just as elegant and smooth.
I also notice weird camera angles for women in the floor routine. Like, I'd want to see a wide angle in preparation for the jump, instead, we'd see a zoom on body shot that follows the body to the jump. It's weird overall, and takes the focus away from athleticism to the body 🫤🙄