NATO: Guardian of peace or bellicose bully? | Head to Head
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- In this episode of Head to Head, Mehdi Hasan challenges Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the former Danish prime minister and former NATO chief, on the West's military alliance's role in Eastern Europe and the so-called War on Terror.
We examine his record since assuming office in 2001, his role in the European support for the Iraq War and ask whether his NATO policies since 2009 have backfired.
Is it the West, or Putin who calls the shots in Ukraine? Has NATO reignited the Cold War? Did it create a bigger problem in Libya? And did it botch its mission in Afghanistan?
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I am so proud of this young people asking smart questions.
I think that when Rasmussen says "NATO is the most successful peace movement the world has ever known," and is met with the entire audience in the Oxford Union laughing, we can come to understand just how decrepit their moral standards have been and how his denials of evidence and diverting of questions signifies a completely corrupted alliance whose mandates and objectives are simply covers for the worst kind of international intervention which perpetuates war crimes.
I say the worst because they are able to sustain their practices because they have so excellently worked the line between fulfilling their interests through whatever means necessary (i.e. bombing of civilians, overthrowing governments, torture, training of groups that work with heinous organisations etc.) and doing just enough to make their presented evidence sound like a success. And it sounds like a success to many because they are bombarded by western news media, who are indebted to national funding and rely on information received by government officials, and who spew the utter propaganda and bullshit NATO's public relations experts devise to spin their horrendous interventions into success stories, into victories simply because a greater evil was prevented.
Unfortunately, they and the news media have created a paradigm in which the evil consists simply of the 'enemy' itself and not on its actions; what makes the enemy evil is not the overall tally of their actions but their image which is based on a stereotype of their actions, for if we were tallying the evil actions themselves, no one would be able to deny that NATO is the actual devil and its enemies simply minor demons; the entire thing is about brand management since evidence will always be provided for and against both sides, meaning that most people will rely on their perception of each side, the image they have of NATO vs. terrorists, to back one decision (NATO intervention) over the other (allowing the terrorists to run amok).
You now safe and printing on free internet big part because of NATO security system
@@getsensus people are dying and you talk about security systems drop dead rotten soul less trash
only a few of them were laughing and you can tell they communists
It's a defensive alliance
Simple
Holy shit!! Did anybody else Notice the RED guy?? Why is he so RED?? is from Marse??
Hahaha yh. He was pretty hard to miss loool
Kaustav Adhikary Extremely funny!
Kaustav Adhikary I kinda have a feeling that he's holding on to a hugh fart!
+Kaustav Adhikary It's called a disease, its not funny
+Kaustav Adhikary like seriously ..... why was he sooooo red???
This interviewer is excellent, goes right for the throat and the core issues here. I almost feel bad for Rasmussen for being so alone is his school of thought but that's just what it is, a school of thought with double standards and ignorance to the truth and no guts to own up to his own statements. Nice debate.
Mehdi Hasan is a brave genius and Head to Head is the masterpiece of AJE
brave genius? I think his questions aged like the finest of milks but atleast the british are now doing their best at this propaganda war and exagerating numbers beyond reasonable believe
My goodness. This interviewer IS pure gold...
I am fed up of all these lies about the improvements in Afghanistan.
+SolomaN Saeed Yeah, this was a mistake. You do not commit to a country with ~100% muslim population. You let the local population deal with the internal problems (unlikely to succeed) or you leave it alone, build a wall around it, whatever. Anything would be a better solution than the intervention.
@PAT123717 Why should you repatriate all Afghanis? America should take in ALL Afghans as refugees because you created the mess there. But you will never learn bcos the military-industrial complex is out of control. This won't be the last intervention Lol
@PAT123717 "Racially"....?? What does that mean? I lived in America for 10 years and it is racially as diverse as it gets. Besides, Afghanistan was already a mess and the US intervention made it worse so it definitely bears responsibility. Don't try to absolve the US of its responsibility.
Your statements smack of racism. I bet you have forgotten that the white man doesn't belong in America at all as it is the BROWN colored Native Americans' land!!
America has become a 3rd world country anyway so if some more 3rd worlders get dumped on your head Pat, then it doesn't matter! 🤣🤣🤣
@PAT123717 The only thing that makes sense in your response is that the word "racist" is not used on non-whites. This may have some merit and I agree that there is "reverse racism" as well and some non-white people hold some racist views towards whites as well.
Having said that who authorized you to define "American" as "white aryan gentile"?? You have some nerve to assert this. Do you realize how racist you sound in this statement where you exclude Jewish people and all colored people and advocate a WHITE AMERICA??
Listen, the original Americans are the 562 "Native American" tribes of the USA or the "Red Indians" as some people call them who lived there since the beginning of time with tribe names such as Navajo, Cherokee, Sioux, and so many others.
The "white aryan gentiles" are only the invaders and colonizers who in reality have no rights over the Americas!
Ok, I agree that the US does not bear sole responsibility for Afghanistan but it certainly bears the highest responsibility due to the mess it created there in almost 20 years of war. And moreover, the term "3rd worlders" is a relative term.
When you say that Afghans are a "different" race from the Americans, you don't know what you are talking about. There is no such thing as the "pure American white race" because there has been so much mixing that most Americans have a mixture of black ancestry, european ancestry, and in some cases even native american and mexican ancestry...although they may appear "white". So the Afghans cannot be compared to a single homogeneous "white aryan gentile" race!!! (NEWS FOR YOU)
I believe America has become a "3rd world country" due to the regressive thinking of its leaders and people already. Therefore, all Afghans need to be dumped into America and Americans should smilingly accept them.
Let me tell you, the Afghans may be a lot more racially "pure" and "Aryan White gentile" than most of the mixed race and racially "impure" Americans!! I am willing to bet that even you are not "racially pure" and even you will have a lot of mixed race in your ancestry! Believe me.....otherwise you should conduct a DNA genetic test on Americans and Afghans starting with YOURSELF and my theory will be proven!! 😂😂😂
None of them are lies. Sorry
"Afghans appreciate what we did." Yeah, right. Afghans appreciated the invasion of their homeland.
They definitely seemed to appreciate US being there when they were running at the airport and jumping onto a moving plane.
Yes, and Afghans approved & appreciated NATO troops killing & maiming hundreds of thousands of Afghan civilians.
@@farzana6676 Most of them were opportunity seekers.Few of them were criminals Whom govt gave Amnesty.
@@ayonhasan9287 Yes. Opportunity seekers.
Seeking American provided opportunity.
@@farzana6676 If that offer was given in India,the plane might not take off.
Watching this at 2022 is amusing knowing that Talibans are back to the power. So bragging about defeating Taliban looks so hilarious now.
Didn't age well. The Russian dude was right.
I agree with you
Deny everything, that was always his tactic.
He really can't though, Grumblesnake. He seems like he is used to people finding him credible for their own purposes.
And blame others for NATO's mistakes
I wish Canada would get out of NATO
Is Rasmussen a kind of robot ? He looks so inhumane .
Juan Carlos Hernandez A Danish tv-show once did a test where a japanese robot scientist had to judge who was more like a robot - incumbent prime minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen or his social democratic counterpart Helle Thorning-Schmidt. The robot scientist had a hard time choosing but eventually pointed to Thorning-Schmidt as the most possible robot. Moral of the story is that Denmark is a country of robots.
MrEagleEartwig I am a Dane and i have heard over the years a lot of descriptions of who we are - but robots? That's new. :)
There are a wide range of other words i would use to describe us than robots, and the same goes for Anders Rasmussen. He is a man of principle, and tries to do what is right instead of reacting out of pure emotion in contrast to other world leaders. Now that might seem robotic, and sure we are not as emotional as Italians, Russians or as festive as Brazilians. But I can assure you that Anders Rasmussen is actually a human being, just like you and me. We as people are different and have different qualities, and that is not a bad thing. So maybe there are something else at play here than an inhumane robotic leader. But a person driven by striving to do what is right.
Juan Carlos Hernandez Yes he is.
Allan Andersen Fellow dane here. No he is a fucking war criminal.
Juan Carlos Hernandez Speaking as a Dane I can confirm that he is indeed very inhumane.
Not only did he invade Iraq against the descision of UN.
-He also violated Danish laws to participate in the war in Iraq as former Premiere minister of Denmark.
In Denmark we have laws against aggressive warfare:
You need UN clearance to go to war. If Not then either of these criterias have to be met.
1. 5/6 of the parliament votes.
2. A public Vote.
With 34% for, 28% against.
-The public was represented by 2/3 of the politicians.
And it was no where near a 5/6. And not a public vote.
Anders Fogh are guilty both National and International.
-And he should be judged accordingly.
47:33 "afghans appreciate what we did"
As an Afghan no we don't appreciate anything because we are at the position because of you people. Over 100 years ago, u British tried taking over Afghanistan and failed with loss of thousands of British soldiers and u guys r failing now. So stop ur bullshit and leave our nation alone. U couldn't beat Afghan in battle but now ur supporting the extremists to take ur revenge bak.
There is a reason that Afghanistan is called the graveyard of Empires: India, Persian Empire, Sikh Empire, Alexander The Great, Genghis Khan, Umar, an Arab Caliphate, The British Empire, The Soviet Union, "The United States of America" ?
You have no proof. You make things up
In Denmark the media dont even talk about this debat with our famous killer
to be fair, he is pretty hated in denmark for agreeing to join a illegal war. and now it is at a point where people dont care about him.
@@dolmerfpv2109 are you really going to tell me that only Venstre ehh i mean the left cares about the law? and why are they stupid for doing so? and why did he leave the country after he was done being prime minister? rember he became known in denmark as a puppet of the USA after writing a booke called "Will to Lead
- America's Indispensable Role in the Global Fight for Freedom"
@@mso2013 Venstre ehh i mean the left ??
@@orlabenlarsen1831 Venstre is the name of the danish conservative party (his party,) and also means left in danish.
@@mso2013 (English: Left, Denmark's Liberal Party) all conservative members has "left" the party LOL.....
Hassan is an astute mediator who knows enough about the issues to stop people getting away easily with spouting propaganda.
"put this into perspective please" - but only my perspective which is that of NATO...
"we do not cooperate with Nazi's" - we just train them...
"we are moved by principals" - yes so was Bin Laden.
"again, lets be very open about it" - except the parts that would get me put in prison.
Spot on
Excellent interview. Many sides are presented. I came to my own conclusion. It makes the host look extremely credible.
15:40 I've never seen someone more red.
LOL
I was wondering if he was blushing, embarrassed or broken out in hives.
Roasted & debunked
Spyridon Lam Not really
Its like that old saying that goes "If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck than its probably Russian"
The best journalist I have ever seen
well if you include russia into Nato then there's no point of having NATO at first place.
Europe is very fragmented (many countries). This is/was an important factor that lead to/may lead to wars. In 35 years we had two World wars. Since NATO exists, we had 70 years of peace.
@@axelvanhooren6325 keep peace within at expense of an assured enemy without solve one problem to start another
if think the red bloke is ready to explode.lol
Lol, went looking for this comment, right after i saw him
why is he red 😭
Filling pockets killing others for their interests trying to dictate others what rights are by occupying them what a messs
This guy didn’t prepare well to face Mehedi Hasan
How could he have prepared in view of so much overwhelming evidence? You can't defend yourself when the prosecutor has so much incriminating evidence.
The peace club of nato accelerated the nuke arming of more ex warzawa countries after 1991. Already in the 50s nato/ us made plans for nuking 100 soviet cities. In 90s they destroyed yugoslavia in 78days bombing, and Syria in massive destructions allied with islamists. In 2011 nato deleted Libya. Good " exercise for our pilots"..Stoltenberg view....
Nato had no purpose after warzawa alliance, (and was also started 6years before warzawa alliance.)
Nato/US : the chief destroyers and war mongerers in modern times.
As an european l've to say that NATO definately should've been disolved at the same time as the Warszaw pact and been replaced with an european militaryalliance without USA
Thank you for another ass roasting hour. Thank you Mehdi!
US and NATO are like neighbours ganging up to encourage 2 cousins to fight. If NATO was disbanded after the cold war, there would not be this Russia-Ukraine war. US and NATO incur no loss.
Love the hypocricy. “People have the right to self-determination“. Everyone except the Palestinian people !! The double standards regarding Russia/Ukraine and Israel/Palestine are astonishing !!
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Palestine is fake just arabs
You hate Jews
Bellicose bully 100%
The reason nato attack Libia and kill Gaddafi is because he In 2009, Colonel Gaddafi, then President of the African Union, suggested to the States of the African continent to switch to a new currency, independent of the American dollar: the gold dinar.
US does not care if any country takes a step like this because hegemony of the dollar is based on one thing only: strength of and confidence in US economy. When China has as much strength and stability, it can begin to challenge dollar.
Yeah true
Outstanding journalism
Peace in Europe, that is nato's concern truly said.
But to the cost of whom is my question ?
The truth to begin with apparently. I cannot understand how Rasmussen got away with pretending the Balkans (hart of Europe) didn't have a period of heavy military conflicts. Or that Spain, Portugal and Greece would have seen peaceful democracies in between the Second World War and the seventies? What about the Troubles in Northern Ireland? Or how the eastern side of Europe was physically separated from the west, preventing the free transport of almost all European people? Digging deeper, it would have been interesting to match this bold but utterly nonsensical statement with operation Gladio and Nato's secret war against the European liberties. How could this idiot claim that NATO would have managed peace and stability in Europe 'since the end of the second World War'? Especially at a time when European civil liberties are endangered because our own political leaders claim to be stranded in exactly the opposite of what Rasmussen is stating. How does 'peace and stability' rhyme with the constant thread of terrorist attacks? Perpetuated by people from nations that NATO-coalition forces never stopped fighting against? His 'peace and stability' statement sounds as credible as the one Theresa May had made when sensible arguments were lacking here...
NATO's wars literally caused mass migrations towards Europe, which has ruined the peace and made the political atmosphere more toxic and anti-POC.
32:33 lol, now they are in peace talks with the Taliban
His Afghanistan comments aged like milk
Well said Mehedi Hasan
The cold war has never stopped against the citizen.
This is what we call lying on face.
NATO has lost in Afghanistan
Cant even admit when his wrong even once!
looking back on this so many years later... what a disgrace
4:26 RUSSIA applying for NATO membership lol
Yes, LMAO! It relies on the western propaganda falsehood that NATO is not a US foreign policy tool. A lot of people are being brainwashed.
In 2002 when the world was concerned for an American invasion of Iraq, I brought it then that the following would happen: 1) Iran would be an openly disrupting force in the regions (Happened). 2) Iraq would be a breeding ground for extremists (Happened) 3) The Middle East would be further destabilized (Happened) 4) North Korea and other rogue regimes would accelerate their weapons of mass destruction, and within 5 years NKorea would become nuclear (happened) 5) The alliance will fail to successfully eliminate the Taliban as it distributes its focus fighting on 2 fronts, and would eventually be humiliated in Afghanistan (Happened) 6) Economically the US will be weakened and overcome by China, (Happened) 7) Russia under Putin would eventually have the strength to stretch its military muscle and attack at least 2 of its neighbors (Happened). Those were my major concerns before the invasion and sadly they all happened. Mr. Rasmussen enabled that by supporting the invasion of Iraq.
I cannot understand how Rasmussen got away with pretending the Balkans (hart of Europe) didn't have a period of heavy military conflicts. Or that Spain, Portugal and Greece would have seen peaceful democracies in between the Second World War and the seventies? What about the Troubles in Northern Ireland? Or how the eastern side of Europe was physically separated from the west until the nineties, preventing the free transport of almost all European people? Digging deeper, it would have been interesting to match this bold but utterly nonsensical statement with operation Gladio and Nato's secret war against the European liberties. How could this idiot claim that NATO would have managed peace and stability in Europe "since the end of the second World War"? Especially at a time when European civil liberties are endangered because our own political leaders claim to be stranded in exactly the opposite of what Rasmussen is stating there. How does 'peace and stability' rhyme with the constant thread of terrorist attacks? Perpetuated by people from nations that NATO-coalition forces never stopped fighting against? His 'peace and stability' statement sounds as credible as the one Theresa May made when sensible arguments were lacking here...
well this interview aged well lol
While I see this the second time now, I begin to realize, this is one of the rare opportunities to watch a psychcopathic war criminal in a public discussion.
Makes me remember about Bush and Blair ...
They create the mess or they make it worse and then leave, if you ask them they will say "we did the right thing and it was a success".
@@pavilionman64 specially with ISIS in Iraq or Afghanistan, or when people were hanging of flying plane and falling down of hight of hundreds of meters in Afghanistan when Taliban was back or even people of Libya who get killed every day by different armed groups 🤷🏻♂️
He is a criminal, he led Denmark to war, to further his own career.
Oh my....this interview? MUAH!! Splendid!!
The real definition of double standard!
Anders Fogh Rasmussen. I'm still puzzled as to how he was elected Prime Minister in the first place; or how he managed to become head of NATO after willfully misleading the Danish parliament about human rights violations in Afghanistan and the Danish population about the basis for the Iraq invasion. It's downright embarrassing, and a source of great distress to me that people of his caliber are or were ever considered representatives of the people of a still relatively sovereign nation.
Elections can be rigged; the did it in France when Macron got elected.
The tough questions are great, but let the man answer them!
This aged well after the US withdrawal from Afghanistan
Also aged well with Ukraine now
11:53
"Let me stress once again, WE DO NOT COOPERATE WITH NAZIS!"
🤣
I dont think N.A.T.O should have intervened in Libya at all, but there are key facts that Medhi is missing here. (I)Most Libyans themselves supported the air campaign. Polls showed that as many as 74% of Libyans supported N.A.T.O airstrikes against Gaddafi and 77% supported arming the rebels against Gaddafi. (II)N.A.T.O's job was simply to give air support to the rebels. Their job wasn't to govern the country afterwards. That was the failure on the part of the rebels
JANHOI MCCALLUM Nope they wanted a no fly zone, and thats what passed at the UN security council. Besides if "77% of the population supported arming rebels" plus the fact that NATO was bombing and providing intelligence, how did Gaddafi manage to stay for as long as he did?
kb24gasol9 Tanks and guns?
+JANHOI MCCALLUM Failure on part of rebels? Seriously? That's what rebels do, man. They are rebels, they don't have the required experience or the expertise to manage complex systems on their own.
Take political correctness out of the picture and use some critical thinking. Gaddafi was poking the proverbial Western eye for years. He was insane but his mistake he wasn't ( US ) our madman! Hence, Libya is in chaos, ditto Iraq, ditto Syria, are these countries liberated, are the people happy? Do they love the United States and NATO?
Which credible polls are you referring to ? Part of the Western propaganda polls ?
and these people are going to deal with the current crisis .God help us
Just another remorseless war criminal that will probably never face any consequence. Props to Mehdi Hasan!!
Journalist is perfect work. Big applause 👏
I hope so Taliban will not come back to Afghanistan because Afghans do not wants them.
A Taliban delegation went to the White House to negotiate peace. lol.
Surprise, Surprise!!
The Talibans are back and stronger than ever.
Suddenly, everyone of Them has forgotten all about "climate change"... WAR is our worst enemy !
OMG! This interviewer is very good ! Telling the truth about NATO is 🤐
The 2 pro Russian panel guys are spouting so much misinformation and not letting the third guy talk because he makes them 2 sound like dumb little kids
I lost all respect to Danish people after watching this man.
why would you jugde a nation becourse of a single member? with trump in the US would it not be worng for me to call all people of the US p***y grabbers?
lol we need part 2 hhhhh omg
This really don’t age well, with Taliban raging on and Ukraine invading Russia with attacks against civilians and infrastructure
Who created terrorism?
What purpose did it serve?
Who benefitted ?
Kerching$$$$$$$$$$$
Yeah..... I'll say no more.
Very lame. The moderator allowed Rasmussen keep lying about everything. And the panel had more people that shared Rasmussen's view than opposing, which makes a titled discussion! Rasmussen sounds like a greasy salesman to the military industrial complex, to whom NATO is a dealer. A curse to humanity.
Where is war criminal court?
Why cant the guy in the back 39.30 just fart instead of holding in?
What an interview! Mehdi Hasan is ❤.... These Western war mongers has double standards on everything
Israel illegally annexed Golan Heights from Syria, and Jerusalem in violation of UNSC resolutions. The US recognized both, and Liz Truss contemplates the latter in moving the UK embassy to Jerusalem. On what basis exactly are they lecturing anyone about intl law? Mind-boggling.
I lost all respect of people of Denmark after watched thid viedio
why would you jugde a nation becourse of a single member? with trump in the US would it not be worng for me to call all people of the US p***y grabbers?
They lost all respect, they collaborated in the destruction of Iraq and Syria and now they are expelling syrian/iraqi refugees from Denmark, even denying them financial aid if they don't sell their jewelry first (jewellery law). The government would not be able to do that if their people would demonstrate against it, the people remained mute. Shame on Denmark's peps.
@@pavilionman64 why dont you google what the "jewellery law" says and how many times it was enforced? it is as if you dont understand danish law...
when a country delares war, who delares it? Shame. On. You.
@@pavilionman64 I'm not Danish myself but im pretty sure Danish people have no say in any of this, though i could be wrong. Swedens government is currently talking to Finlands government about possibly joining NATO and of course the "democratically elected parliment" will decide for us if this is a good or bad idea. Nevermind the fact that the largest party in parliment did a u-turn in their opinions of NATO since the 2018 election.
I'm going to ri0t if they join.
No, please. Danish people must be left out of this. It is Mr. Rasmussen who is the bad guy because he joined an evil company.
It’s says it all when people can’t give straight answers to straight questions.
Hi Neto how is going your trip in Afghanistan since 20 years Hahaha
Journalism was never such entertaining before Mehedi Hassan.
Mehdi Hasan is the best.
If you think your bag has a lot of junk in it now wait till you have a few kids!
Hasan is a point-scoring, sarcastic, offence taking annoyance.
+MyThingsRedux hahaha yea in a good way :D
2023 calls for a new debate same guy same topic
Anyone else too distracted by the guy with complete red face in background
The guy rolling his eyes at 10:40 when Hasan says, "But two violations don't make a right," encapsulates everything I wanted to say in this comment.
41:26 is where I laughed like the whole audience over there because despite all the defense put forth by NATO, we all know how EVIL a force it is.
Where is this guest and 1st guest ? Can we ask same questions??
Oh boy at this moment 🤦🏻♂️ 27:40
How genius Mehdi. Always makes his guests look silly and stupid. Well done
This old man is a war criminals
Holy shit, Hasan destroyed him here :p
Junaid Khan Alizai What a dumb comment.
It's not, I'm guessing u watched another vid?
Junaid Khan Alizai Guess away. I hope youre a teenager. Thats your only excuse.
Yh ok
Lol Al jazeera is Qatar so it's weird that u mention that alongside being pro Iran
Anders Fogh Rasmussen, former CEO of NATO now arms dealer
cphpost.dk/news/business/anders-fogh-rasmussen-got-a-new-job.html
This man says ''No'' to everything
I’m at 23 minutes and this guy is getting chewed up and spit out
that red guy is full of hot air!!
Beside of being a cheap american militar-industrial puppet, he speaks just like that...
I'd like to see this guy interview Prince Andrew.
IF TRUTH AND FALSE WERE TWO BROTHERS THEN FALSE WOULD HEART ATTACK AFTER TRUTH WOULD HAVE GONE IF THEY LISTENING THIS CONVERSATION.
27:31 "...the Taliban will never win in Afghanistan " - NATO SecGen
Professional liar, he's just deny everything Infront of the audience
What chance have we got wen this fud, will not admit his actions in hynsit were wrong,, gr8 interview btw.
4 years later Taliban has largest numbers since the invasion
Taliban is bunch of mercenaries paid/trained by Zionist United States of ISISRAEL.
arrest him!
A peacetime military alliance is a solution needing a problem